The Deen Show – Extremist Buddhist Are Killing Muslims In Myanmar

			is used in my country as a weapon against those who only only want to live in peace, who only want
to assert their basic human rights, especially in the areas of the ethnic nationalities, * is
rife. It is used as a weapon.
		

			Welcome to the dean show how you doing my next guest, CJ Wheeler, man, most of you haven't heard the
RO ro hinga. I didn't know much about him. I mean, some things just don't make the news. You know,
you got the signs when some fanatic some crazy evil person goes and blows up something. And next
thing you know, the whole world. If the person has a certain passport looks a certain way has a
certain color. It seems like that gets more news. Why is that? The whole world comes together,
Stanford, Paris, Stanford, Stanford, and we should stand together as humanity against the evil
that's perpetrated by some evil fanatics. But we got to keep it fair and balanced people. What about
		

			the row hinga, United Nations and all of the humanitarian the human rights organizations have
labeled this what's going on to these people. This is a modern day genocide. Women were all the
feminists, everyone if you didn't know you're not going to have no excuse after the show. They're
being raped and little kids and are being drowned. And men are being an innocent who are being
tortured. And it's madness. It's * on earth. So you can continue to stay ignorant. But after
this, you're not going to have an excuse. We can do our small part to create awareness. And I'm
going to be helping to create this awareness with my next guest, CJ Wheeler men, on the dean show,
		

			investigative journalist, columnist. And someone who's made also a turn for the better someone who
also used to be full of hate, call himself somewhat of a bigoted, hate, hate racist, but he made a
change for the better. There's hope for everybody. And this is what touched my heart to have someone
like him speaking up on behalf of this persecuted people. So this is an exciting episode. Don't go
anywhere.
		

			Welcome back to the deen show. I got CJ Wheeler, man, how are you, my friend? I'm doing very well.
Yeah, thank you for finding the time to be with us. You're a columnist for the Middle East, I
investigate investigative journalist, then United Nations, the major human rights organizations have
said that this is the most persecuted minority group in the world. But the question is, where is the
world? It seems like the international community, you know, when you, most of us myself, also, and
I'm guilty of it? We don't. I mean, you got to kind of like go on your own investigating people like
yourself who are brave enough to talk about this. But why is it that the global world is a community
		

			tragic, other tragic events happen and people are out there? And, you know, it's sad anytime
something like this happens where an innocent group of people or person is harmed and the whole
world comes together and pray for Paris pray for this group. But what about the Rohingya?
		

			Yeah, I mean,
		

			bluntly, I mean, brown Lives Matter and Muslim lives don't matter to the Western lady international
community. We've seen it time and time again, from Bosnia, for instance, with intelligence agencies
had about six weeks one and what was going to happen in Terminator. We had 8000 Muslims killed. It
wasn't until years later the clinton decided to intervene there would have been in Syria. A bomber
when he drew a red line in the sand and about a half a million Syrians have been killed since
		

			So, when Muslim lives are on the line, even though a lot of these, you know, most members of the
international community have signed on to the UN principle of rock to protect, which means that they
a sovereign state is unwilling or unable, or is the threat or the number one security risk to
humans, within NATO citizens within sa, well, the international community has an obligation to
intervene and to protect those lives. But similarly, when it's brown, or Western allies, and you
know, whether that's Rwanda, Rwanda or elsewhere, what's the community, it just sits on its own, the
international community just sits on its head.
		

			Even more cenospheres, the fact that not only is the western international community sitting on its
hands when it comes to the genocide that's taking place in in Myanmar. They're actively proactively
mobilizing and backing and supporting the genocide there. You've got China, which is fully back to
me. And now you've got India, which says it back to me and my counterterrorism operations in that
country, when there is no terrorism, terrorist activity taking place in that country. That again,
it's just a big play for India to to back the genocide against most of the 1.3 million Muslims who
live there.
		

			And Israel continues to sell weapons
		

			to China and neighboring Muslim majority states have said they don't have the finances or resources
to take care of the refugee problem there. So you know, it's not a case of doing nothing. The
Western Lake community is doing something they're actually helping.
		

			Tell, tell me, CJ, let's back it up. For the layman. The person who is hearing about this for the
first time, can you break it down for us? What is the part of the world this is where this is
happening? And what's happening? How did this all start?
		

			Yeah, it started I mean, Burma, as it was, was called, was a British colonial project and the
British there
		

			a couple of 100, several 100 years ago, I brought in Bengali libraries from what is now Bangladesh.
		

			And I use them for, you know, basically civilian infrastructure projects, shape, international
foreign labor, but basically.
		

			And so there's a what is now 1.3 million population say now I think,
		

			in a diaspora, I think population is closer to about four or 5 million.
		

			They're basically a statement of people because Bangladesh no longer considers them to be
Bangladeshis and Burmese are considered to be part of the Burmese culture. And so they've always
been scapegoat and vilified. There's basically four decades of solid evidence of periodic mass
killings, torture and expulsions. Whenever political opportunists within the military which I have
needed somebody to vilify to, you know, help justify their brutal and oppressive regime, Will It
Blend rain, go for it? So they're both the political scapegoat for time immemorial. So this is the
RO ro hinga people, and this is in the country. It's right next to what China and India is that
		

			right? main Omar? Yes. And this is now people that have been there for for hundreds of years. Yes,
right. And they've been persecuted for these these hundreds of years. And now is this something
that's just coming to light or it's gotten to, to a whole nother level? It's a whole nother level
since about 2012. So, you know, me and my arrows in our transition period from transitioning from
being a military military junta, to basically a quasi democratic state.
		

			I mean, you know, it's a bit of a joke that it is democracy is basically just a part of a figurehead
to give the contrary, a friendly democratic face. She is effectively powerless. But that doesn't
implicate her from the genocide taking place in Myanmar, because she's used rhetoric.
		

			The same kind of rhetoric was set aside use to demonize Syrian opposition as jihadists or terrorists
or Islamic extremists, when they were younger, far from that would have Syrian people were far from
that.
		

			And so she is complicit in the genocide, even though she might get a pallet. She's certainly
complicit and has added fuel to the fire with what's happening is so so the crackdown really began
in about 2012 is during this transition period, they've really stepped up in the middle of the
median amount. military has really stepped up its operations to dispossess to kill the torture to
loot. Enjoy, you know, it's still the ring of public
		

			I think now 300,000 now internally displaced, and, you know, seeking refuge on the Bangladesh
border, I think there's something like 80,000, who have now successfully cross the border illegally
into Bangladesh, or in one of the three main refugee camps there, but, but the great majority are
trapped there on the border, basically, at the whims of the
		

			military.
		

			So these are people that their ancestors were on this land. They were born on the land. So now
there's specific rights that have been taken away, they they're not allowed, correct me if I'm ever
wrong, they're not allowed to vote. They're restricted now to internment camps, is that right?
They're not, they're not allowed to have
		

			two more than two children, something like that.
		

			And basically live in, you know, segregated apartheid living conditions, at the best of times. Now,
there's a Western times where, you know, you know, apartheid, segregation almost sound quaint
compared to what's happening today, this is full on ethnic cleansing project, and even the United
Nations issued a statement two days ago saying This means the technical definition of ethnic
cleansing, I really commend you, because sometimes people like they jump on into trend, it's kind of
like trendy, when, you know, there is something going on in the world, and, you know, celebrities,
everybody will jump in, and, and they'll bring light, and they'll help to mitigate, you know, a
		

			certain tragic situation, bring light to it, and then the media will jump on, and now, you know,
people will have to account, but you're one of the few, I really commend you, you're doing some
great work creating awareness on this, why don't we see is it just people are ignorant about it? You
know, yeah, I think it might be a combination of ignorance. I mean,
		

			the western mainstream media is a selective outrage generating machine.
		

			And, you know, the lives and, and plot of brand people, particularly Muslims in a part of the world
where most Americans are, or many people in the West can identify on a map.
		

			You know, it doesn't really stir a lot of media headlines in Western media, you know, the Western
media. I mean, if it wasn't the social media,
		

			you know, many more wouldn't know what's what's what's taking place there.
		

			You know, that I will say, I've seen a little bit of, which is encouraging.
		

			What started off maybe with Middle East die, and Al Jazeera, and that's top of that list, which sort
of cover, you know, the apply for the crisis with Muslims around the world.
		

			I mean, I even saw cnn cover story for the first time, a couple days ago. So, you know, noise has
been created. I think, you know, enough people are paying attention now for the debates, you know,
headlines to be common. And once you have headlines, then you have a debate and discussion. And from
that General, you know, policy follows. So, hopefully, policymakers, there's enough pressure on them
or growing pressure, that they're unable to sit on their hands and ignore what's happening. Let's
talk about the tragedy of so many I'm hearing so many innocent women are being raped. I mean,
systematically by the army, you know, houses are being whole villages like 500,000 at a time Is this
		

			correct?
		

			investigation several months ago, and found that basically half up to about 50%, of all random
Muslim woman had been subject to some sort of sexual harassment or *. I think one in three,
verifiably, right. So I mean, you know, children who have been diabetic while they breastfeed from
their mothers. I mean, some of the atrocities that are coming out of there, I mean, matching are
equal to anything that as long as they're carried out in Iraq or Syria, but because borders
extremists are carrying out these act of terrorism.
		

			You know, if this was some sort of Islamic Lee, bucko around, or the Islamic State, or archiver,
operating in carrying out this genocide in Myanmar, and Myanmar was a Muslim majority country, and
the Buddhists were being persecuted. You can pretty sure there's a trust, it just wouldn't be
getting, you know, not only getting more media attention, but we'd probably have us drones flying
over the mo now we'd have special forces, Special Operations, forces being dropped into the country
putting down their lives. Talk about there's a an extremist monk, and we I mean, we don't obviously
blame the the Buddhism for these extremists. But do we see as Muslims I mean, Muslims have become
		

			nowadays professional condemning, you know, we're always you know, things that have nothing to do
with Islam are the Muslims in America some some fringe element, they go and do something, you know,
evil, and everyone is expected to condemn. We don't expect you know, the whole Buddhist world to
come out and condemn
		

			But do you see Do you see? Do you see some some prominent like the de Lama and others coming out?
And what's their stance on this? Yeah, I mean, the Dalai Lama
		

			boater would be horrified with reactions.
		

			And horrified by the rhetoric used by what after is the the Buddhist extremist monk who has a 969
movement in a country, which is basically, you know, that's his self describing sort of his Burma
has been lauded. So, I mean, he takes his cues and his inspiration from, from genocidal mass
murderers. So, you know, again, I mean, we use a double standard hypocrisy when it comes to
		

			you know, Muslims versus non Muslims, you know, Muslim extremists, those non Muslim extremists,
nobody is coming out. And I've seen the entire Buddhist community to condemn the rhetoric and the
actions of a bit him or his followers or militias to take their inspiration from him in that
country. But, you know, when a an extremist arrange Muslim, who's adopted the perverted ideology of
ISIS terrorists out there screams attack somewhere on the streets of a Western European city,
suddenly, we expect 1.6 billion Muslims to condemn his actions. But when a Christian does similar or
a Buddhist similar, you know, that expectation or obligation, forced obligation isn't there, we see
		

			the power, you strike a great example. And, you know, I'm from my parents, I came over about 40
years ago from the former Yugoslavia, Bosnia, the war that happened there, and the struggle that was
going on there, you know, against also something that many people are ignorant to what was one of
the greatest genocides if not the greatest genocide after World War Two. And you have Slobodan
Milosevic, the word criminal, who was using this hate speech and pumping up people. And then we see
the the evil effects of that. And we see the same thing what's happening here, you see these people
in prominent positions, pumping up the people, and the people like sheep following along and then
		

			dehumanizing, we see what happens. And you can kind of contrast that then we have a similar thing
going on here with some politicians
		

			in my seminar, or even just in the world, in general, what happens the dangerous thing when you
start dehumanizing people, so they are less human? It just like okay, so their, their their blood is
not as valuable as the next man's blood. Yeah, I mean, you're saying that everywhere, you're saying
you're saying that
		

			911 became a,
		

			you know, a pivotal moment in the way the West was portrayed, you know, the Arab world will and or
Islam. I mean, Hollywood is always, you know, hollywood travels and Muslims and Arabs have always
been negative, you know, Muslims or Arabs in movies are always trying to suicide bombers or, or
ruthless oil shapes. So, or some sort of slave rapists that, you know, we've seen, I mean, all
genocide, start with words. The, you know, the genocide that took place in Bosnia started with, you
know, several years of demonizing Muslims as the other and as a fraction of Serbian values and
Serbian culture and Serbian wavelength. And, you know, that's what's happening everywhere in the
		

			West. I mean, and that's what's happening me and my others, Buddhist extremists portray Rohingya
Muslims as a threat to me and my civilization as a threat to their values.
		

			And when you do that, you and you portray
		

			Islam, for example, as a threat to your boundaries, what you're saying is, Muslims are an object to
be securitize, we need to securitize these people because they're a danger. That's how security
policies from that logic, the security security policies have formulated and implemented. And so
and, you know, with that means, you know, increased surveillance that means, profiling, that means
entrapment. That means, you know,
		

			you know, the whole communities being responsible, you know, collective responsibility, which is a
war crime. So, you know, we're seeing that me and my, we've seen that elsewhere. I mean, it's it's
dangerous times, and I wrote a piece for the Middle East Side, my column shortly after Trump
		

			was elected. And the piece was basically what happens in the United States, given the, you know, the
16 years of demonization and a variation and dehumanization of Muslims in the United States, and you
have somebody who has been rewarded with that type of rhetoric. Now the prison what happens the next
day after the day after the next catastrophic terrorist attack takes place the United States and is
carried out by a Muslim. I mean, you've already set the foundation for a very civilian internment
camp.
		

			So what is
		

			CJ? Tell me what what inspired you and, and motivated you to speak up for this for this persecuted
people? Yeah, I mean, you know, I, I, since I mean your viewers might not notice that maybe you know
my history but you know, I lived in Indonesia for 10 years, you know, which is the world's most
populous Muslim country. In 2005, I witnessed a an outsider led
		

			by a terrorist attack on jimbaran beach in Bali, and which, which got about 16 people. So, I've
been, you know, in Thrones is studying terrorism, and you know, I'm studying, pursuing my masters in
terrorism and counterterrorism at the moment. It's something that I've studied amateur Lee before I
moved into academic field with it. But when I initially started trying to understand the mindset of
why people would blow themselves out and taste the beans with them, I blend religion and I actually
became in blending religion and blending Islam for those various effects. I myself became an anti
muslim bigotry.
		

			And thankfully, couple several years after that, I realized I'd been wrong and depressed I decided
to study Islam, the deeper I started to study, terrorism, realized that faces was crudely wrong and
evidently wrong. And, you know, and same Soviet trying to to,
		

			to, to bring the world's attention to what really does motivate and inspire these these services.
Excellent. So you know, to justices. It's humiliation, for instance, you now have the Salvation Army
made by Salvation Army or the American bear in, in Myanmar, Astra is unknown. I mean, there are a
small militia group who have been accused of carrying out terrorist attacks there, me and my
response or self defense of others, but I haven't carried on signatures detected it purely for self
defense. There are Hindu Muslim, but you know, we in the West, once they kill a, maybe a couple of
Burmese military officials will you know, you'll see narratives on website or be radicalized by
		

			jihadist ideology. Islam is radicalizing people when really they're just being on the receiving end
of a bomb themselves. And they're, they're defending their communities. So you're familiar now
you're really intensively studying, you know, advocating for the study, academic research on
terrorism, Robert Pape, and you have the University of Chicago and others they've done studies
funded by the Pentagon that people aren't How come they don't have on CNN people like him people
like yourself, who are bringing to light these these facts, you know, most of the people they're
trying to make it seem like Islam is the root of this terrorism. But when intellectuals like
		

			yourselves academics, when when you look at the facts, that's totally the antithesis of, of the
truth. Yeah, it's, I mean, it's tragic. I mean, you're, you're just gonna watch fox news or CNN in
the aftermath of a terrorist attack, which has been inspired or or, or, or carried out by ISIS. And
you'll have the usual pineal conga line of islamophobes.
		

			You know, shameless opportunities like Majid Nawaz, who, who will posit that it's, you know, it's
not, it's not blowback from Western foreign policy. It's not, you know, I voted ideology, and it's
not, you know, social structures. Its social and justices there, I heard the root of this. Instead,
we talked about radicalization, and we're talking about radical Islam and the main use about
radicalization radicalization itself, that word was you know, purposely or term was purposely
injected into public discourse by the Bush administration, because the Bush administration was in no
mood to talk about the you know, the the root causes or reasons why our fighter and be loved and
		

			carried out the 911 attacks. But I did not want to have a discussion about why our military bases
were in the Holy Land, they didn't want to have a discussion about how we, you know, handle a
Palestinian Israeli conflict in an even manner. They just want to talk about why we you know, and,
and support some of the most despotic oppressive regimes in the Middle East and elsewhere. Instead,
they wanted to shift
		

			blame away from anything that might make them culpable and shifted entirely to you know, in other
people's culture.
		

			What can the average person do they tune in and they're, they're hearing this, you know, the heart
gravitates towards wanting to do something good for their fellow man and they see like, okay, you
know, this could be my family tomorrow. How can I help out? What can I do now? They're listening.
What what I'm powerless Like what? Give me some advice. What can I do to make a difference? a
positive difference? Yeah.
		

			You're here in western democratic
		

			Hearing on sites and, you know, make noise noise attracts media meteors, you know, is, is always
attracted to bright, shiny things. And you know, there's nothing more bright and shiny for the media
when there's a lot of public noise and staring. And that's really,
		

			you know, the noise that's been created on social media, about what's happening in Myanmar is the
reason you're now seeing, you know, the process of Myanmar make its way to CNN, to CNN, then
policymakers are gonna start paying attention because their constituents are paying attention. So, I
mean, you know, even grassroots things, you know, sign petitions, online petitions, petitions, call
and email your your congressman or your senator, let them know that, you know, it's intolerable that
the United States is sitting on their hands doing nothing, while you know, home people being
exterminated, I mean, these things do create action. But if we, if we just, you know, maintain our
		

			silent race, and, you know, not no actual fallout from that.
		

			I really commend you. Again, as I've said, you know, your, your voice has been strong on this, and I
hope many will, will go ahead and follow in your footsteps to help create awareness in this and, and
see the truth,
		

			which is kind of distorted in out there. But you bring a light to it really is going to help a lot
of people we're trying to do our part. And I really commend you, thank you so much for finding the
time to speak with us here on the D show. I really appreciate that. I'm sure our viewers do also
think.
		

			And there you have it, thank you for tuning in doing our small part to create some awareness. And
every everybody if everybody does their small part, send a tweet a share, do something to get this
information out. And that's how we can make a change, we can make a difference instead of tweeting
something that is of no benefit. This actually has some benefit to make as our guest, cJ willman was
saying make some noise, make some noise so people can hear the voice of the persecuted who are out
there suffering, mass murder, they're being tortured, women raped. You can close your eyes. But you
heard this. So you heard it. Now you can go ahead and do your small part. Bring the humaneness out.
		

			And this is what really amazed me amazes me about people like cJ willimon, who were on one side, on
the hate side on the hate train. And their their their hearts are coming alive. And now you see
people like this, who were once propagating on the hate machine, anti muslim, anti Islam, and now
they're speaking he's speaking on behalf of this persecuted minority. I commend you, CJ, make sure
we hook up when you're in Chicago. I really admire you taking a stand for this persecuted minority
and letting your voice be loud and clear on this and making a shift that change for the different
speaking the truth on these matters. Very important. You've brought some great things to light and
		

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