Adnan Rashid – Muslim History Debate With Atheist – Speakers Corner

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			vegetable and you are mister.
		

			Based upon what?
		

			Most of the established achievements.
		

			What do you what do you what do you what do you believe? What is magnificent to
		

			you, Tom, you said I don't think Islam history is magnificent. What do you what do you think men if
you sent me was
		

			great, great he was great economically, morally, ethically,
		

			politically, militarily, Islam what
		

			does that mean?
		

			In general, women could be bought and sold. There's a verse in the Quran is a verse in the Quran
chapter four verse, verse nine
		

			was first it was 90
		

			era after, you know, defeating another army
		

			I mean, why do you think ISIS? I'm just saying like a lot of the things. Amazingly what happens
nowadays, you know, it is very unfair. To bring ISIS into every discussion on Islam. ISIS only came
about when?
		

			No, no less than that. Less than that. Okay. Yeah, yeah.
		

			I agree that
		

			what do you have to say 1000 years of
		

			theology not?
		

			To send them to *. I'm saying what do you have to say? About 1000 years of Islamic civilization?
Islamic libraries, hospitals, universities, coexistence, peace, justice, protection for Jews and
Christians? What do you have to say about that the Ottomans, then then the oh my god, Spain, and
then the UB if I remember correctly, when was that? It was not. So you ignored five centuries, and
		

			you're being very selective. So I'm not being selective. You are.
		

			I am saying look at Ottoman history from year 1299. From the time it was man, the first year to
1924. And amazingly, have you studied? Have you studied the Armenian Genocide? Have you studied it?
No. But is
		

			responsible for Armenian Genocide? I suppose. Yeah. I mean, you know,
		

			and that Turkey has gone. Turkish Government. Yeah. And who were the Young Turks? Yeah. Do you know
Young Turks? What?
		

			Do you know? Okay, this is your homework, go and study, go and study and see who Young Turks were,
whether they were
		

			actually Ottomans are not? Because when did when did when did the genocide take place? But 1920
		

			Okay, during the First World War, okay. And this was amazingly, Bernard Lewis, who is considered to
be an authority on on Ottoman history. Bernard Lewis, actually has come out. And he's Jewish, by the
way, and he's very close to Israel. That says a lot, by the way. And he is of the opinion that the
Turkish government, there is a distinction between Turkish Government and Ottoman government has
already gone. Ottomans have gone by the 1900. Ottomans are finished. Okay. You don't have Ottomans.
anymore. Okay. Salt, because Ottomans had plenty ample opportunities to massacre the population of
lands they conquered. Yeah. Did they do it?
		

			The fact that the fact that you mentioned Armenians, you obviously have no other examples to give
you.
		

			But what I'm trying to do just because you're saying,
		

			I'm just saying that, look, Young Turks are a bunch of secular activists who effectively got raised.
		

			Problem name. Let me let me let me pass on and treat. Young Turks are a bunch of secularist
activists who effectively removed the Ottoman caliphate from his place. If anything, Ottomans were
the victims, not the aggressor. If and if the blame goes to the Turkish Government, it goes to Young
Turks, but Bernard Lewis, even disputes that he was it was not the government policy. It were the
people, the Turkish people in the countryside, who started to attack Armenians because the Armenians
are siding with Russia. Armenians are siding with Russia. So that's why Armenians are treated that
way, which is wrong, which is not a slum policy. Islam does not under any circumstances allow
		

			indiscriminate killing, even in war, even in war. The Prophet Muhammad and his teachings are very,
very clear that even in war do not factories will not careful beehives do not kill animals unless
you're going to consume the food. Do not destroy buildings. Do not demolish churches and
monasteries. Okay, do not kill women do not kill children.
		

			Do not kill the elderly do not kill monks and priests who are, who are who are living in the
monasteries.
		

			And then this goes on. And all of this comes from the Prophet, if we have clear cut, if we have
clear cut teachings of the Prophet peace be upon him salatu salam so why do we need to bring ISIS up
every time we talk about Islam? Not because obviously they believe that we are following the
tradition.
		

			How did the kk k so did the communist communist believe there are atheists right? And they're doing
it for atheism? Right communism is an ideology basically.
		

			Ideology right or wrong.
		

			Atheism is not an ideology, you know, communism, socialism, they're all ideologies and ideologies.
They tend to be
		

			going one direction. Extremely
		

			lack of belief in ideology. Oh, yeah, we believe if we just say okay, if there's enough proof
solution. So the point is, Islam has a magnificent history. We
		

			based upon what you are mister,
		

			based upon what is the most of the external achievements?
		

			What do you what do you what do you what do you believe? What is magnificent to
		

			you, Tom, you said, I don't think Islam history is magnificent. What do you what do you think
magnificent was?
		

			Great. Great. He was great economically, morally, ethically, politically, militarily, Islam was
great.
		

			Do you disagree? In terms of charitably, if that's a word very charitably, if that's a word
charitably yet in terms of the academics, right, like, what can you?
		

			Do you know what Islamic academia? What do you know about
		

			Islamic academia? These guys well, I personally didn't know.
		

			Who was first you name them.
		

			Okay, okay. Okay. Let's
		

			talk about Rumia Wait, wait, really? What the past? Wait, no, we Lumi Rumi was from the Persian.
Yes. Wait, wait. Wait. Rumi valses in Afghanistan, exactly. Call it
		

			Muslim achievement for Persian Iranian. Okay. And we already had the Pol. Wait, wait, we already had
a big civilization. Islamic Spain with old Persian was the TV now what do you know about do you know
about the translations? And the words written in Spain? It translated Exactly.
		

			Did you hear me works written in Spain original works written in Spain on science, philosophy,
history, you name it, but to poetry. Every single academic
		

			is making a claim. Now, some people just like to, you know, this, this mark in the proteins that you
undertake here. But
		

			like the Romans did, the Egyptians did.
		

			You want to ask me that question. What is unique about Islam?
		

			is Islam. Islam? In the words of Karen Armstrong? Yeah, one person? Yeah, opinion. You wanted to
give more names?
		

			How many?
		

			20. I can give you carry on? I'm sure you can. Well, one, I just had one.
		

			incontinent
		

			now, so you don't want 20 names?
		

			That's why I mentioned one person, you know, that is my opinion. Okay, there are people not from the
house of Islam. And they acknowledge the positive achievements of Islam effectively. But then he'll
come across and say, likewise, I can name as many as you do, who can drag your argument but carry on
the names. Anyway. He's gonna come across.
		

			He could bring them Do you have any names?
		

			And who are you? You might be funny, but why not? Your professor, your professor of history, or your
professor of history? Well, I could be okay. Let's continue.
		

			Yeah, ad hominem.
		

			But but when you make a point, and it's not based in evidence, or, or sources that it's just like,
cameras fart. I'm sorry. Yes.
		

			In our language
		

			are you from?
		

			I'm from my half of my family's from from Punjab. They haven't seen yet. When camel farts? Yeah,
it's neither.
		

			It's neither in the sky nor on the earth. Because it's in the middle.
		

			So so when you when you make a claim, like camel farts Yeah.
		

			It's just a camera tripod right so so unless you bring evidence