Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera – Some Questions About Marriage

Abdur Rahman ibn Yusuf Mangera
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The speakers discuss various legal scenarios where women may choose to divorce their spouse, including pro divorce, pro divorce, and divorce. They stress the importance of not giving up a relationship, not giving up a relationship, and not giving up a relationship. They also discuss the negative impact of divorce on society and the importance of privacy and privacy in relationships. The speakers emphasize the need for women to empower themselves and not give up a relationship. They also emphasize the importance of working for men and women and emphasize the need for women to be careful about their behavior.
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When a person gets divorced, when a person divorces, there are

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Islamic Islamically, there are certain obligations. If there's

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obviously any debts between them, then they have to be paid. That's

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a separate idea. But then in terms of obligations, the husband is

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still responsible for the wife until she completes the entire

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period, which is three complete menstrual cycles, you know, and

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whatever that whatever that situation is.

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Beyond that he is not responsible for at all because she's an

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independent, separate woman now. However, if there's children, then

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until they become stabilized for themselves, he's responsible for

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the children's to.

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And in some cases, if the wife has to incur expenses in looking after

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the children, then obviously those are necessary expenses on the

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husband as well. They have to obviously work together to come up

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with a reasonable amount of what

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of how the children have to be taken care of this law that we

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have in various different countries where when divorce takes

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place, the couples they take half of each other as well, that in

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order to

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in order to avoid that, in order to avoid that, then a prenuptial

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is a very good idea. Right, because

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otherwise, there's a lot of misery.

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I know several cases where

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the wife is the one who's caused an issue to start with. He's got 4

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million, and she wants to take 2 million and not just 2 million he

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wants, she wants him to pay the costs. Then, besides the 2 million

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half, she also wants then a stipend for her and the children

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who she's turned against him. Right.

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For the rest of their life. Essentially, he's gonna have

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nothing left. So

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this is all unfair in that case. So in that case, I would

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definitely recommend a prenuptial. Especially if you're going in with

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some money, for sure. You should definitely I think it's a good

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idea to have a prenuptial agreement, especially in countries

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where Prenuptial agreements work, unfortunately, England that the

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default was that they're ineffective.

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Although now hopefully, it'll change. Hopefully, it'll change.

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This is if pre nuptials are enforced here, then then you

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should use them.

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This is a really good question. And it's quite the it's quite a

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bit of a struggle in the West, especially where a woman is not

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being looked after by the husband. He's not looking after her. He's

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not keeping her. He's not paying for her. And he's separated maybe

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even from her or maybe he's there in the house. But he's not

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basically doing anything she wants. They should be divorced,

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really. But he's refusing to divorce her as well. He's refusing

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to divorce her,

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because he doesn't want her to get married again. So this is a

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punishment. This is haram. Allah subhanaw taala says in the Quran,

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Saturday, Hoonah Saracen, Jamila, either do em sack properly, which

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means either keep her properly or let her go. When you go to

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Farrakhan yoga, Nila who call them sincerity. And if they do

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separate, Allah will enrich each one of the two couples with his

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vastness. People don't understand this. So there's different abuse

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tactics that wives use, and husbands use after a marriage, or

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when marriages are broken down. And these are all wrong. So what

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should a woman do in that case, because she can't just give it off

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to herself. So generally, the idea is that you go to, if it's a

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Muslim country, you go to the courts, and they will look into

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it. And they if they realize that he's acting unreasonably, and he's

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not willing to take it back and treat it like a proper wife, then

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they will force him either to give it a lock, or if he's obstinate

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doesn't do that, then they will dissolute the marriage or equal

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first Holika. So they have the right to do that in a non Muslim

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country where you don't have Sharia courts, then generally what

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you have there, or what should be set up a Sharia arbitration

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panels? I don't want to call them Sharia courts, although some

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people do call them and then the mainstream they get worried that

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you are running a parallel court system. Although surely a court is

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not a parallel court system. It has no effect. It has no

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imposition power. It's just basically an arbitration panel.

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That's what it is. That when two people come together and say look,

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we

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We're gonna make you an arbitrator. And we want you to

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judge our case, that's all, that it doesn't have any right to send

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police or to put you in prison or anything like this. So like in

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England, we have several like this, I don't know about Sweden,

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but in different countries, if there's not, then they should find

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a place like that or go to another country where that is the case, it

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is a bit of a lengthy procedure, unfortunately, because you will

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have to sign up, you will have to petition for them, you have to

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apply and tell them your story, they will contact or try to make

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contact with your husband, right through his contact details. And

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they will try to ascertain because you could have any random woman

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coming to you and saying that I've got this problem that can you give

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me a divorce, please? Oh, yeah, you sound right. Okay, let me give

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you a divorce and husband doesn't know what happened. So obviously,

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they have to do their due diligence, the more proof you have

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of these things, the better. If you've got evidences for these

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things, the better. So you go to, and if they find that the husband

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is just basically not playing ball, he's upset that he's

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punishing her whatever, then if they can't force him, then they

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will dissolute the marriage. So it is a bit of a lengthy procedure.

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But that's basically the only way you can do it unless you can use

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before rather than going to the court, the more effective way to

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be honest is to use family pressure. People that are can

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speak to them, can basically persuade them, you know, in any

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legal way, obviously, to just give a divorce, get out to advise them.

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Or whatever the case, what I would suggest in some cases, for

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example, there was a woman who got finally divorced from a abusive

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relationship. Now I've seen in many cases, even when there's an

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abusive relationship,

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they spend time apart, because he's divorced. And then they feel

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bad, and they want to get back together. This is weird

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relationship that they still have.

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They get time to think maybe regret or whatever the case, so

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they want to get back together again. So on in one, in one case,

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the wife went to a scholar, who she knew and said, Look, he's

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insisting we get back, I don't mind getting back as well. Even

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though she'd been complaining all along, right before this. He said,

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Okay, fine. Look, what you should do now is if you do get back

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by remarriage, then you take the right of one option of divorce. So

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that if he does act like this, again,

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under certain conditions, you can restrict it to a certain candidate

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that if he does X, Y, and Zed, if he beats me, strikes me abuses me,

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or whatever, right? Or doesn't give me money, whatever the case

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is a particular condition.

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And he's handing over one of his options for divorce to her. But

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better get it like for your father or some imam or somebody third

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party so that you don't arbitrarily do it, right.

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That's what you call in Arabic. If we do Talaq you're handing over.

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It doesn't mean the husband loses his right, he can also divorce but

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then he's extending the right to her or to her father or somebody

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else. So if X, Y and Zed happens, he can immediately apply the

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divorce. So you don't have to wait them.

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But of course, if you don't know in a fresh marriage, that this is

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going to happen, then you can't do that from before. Meaning you're

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not going to do that from before you can if you want to. But if

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you're going to get a new marriage, and you're going to tell

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them I want you to give me one right so divorced from before

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they're going to probably going to get scared like why should I marry

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if you're already threatening me with a divorce? What kind of woman

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are you You see what I'm saying? So this is in a in a case I'm

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giving you just ideas and options for where this kind of a case

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is, becomes like that.

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The story is of that Sahaba who said, I have no complaints about

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my husband from his Deen perspective, decent guy,

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fulfilling Allah's commands and so on. But I don't want to do kufr in

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Islam, what that means the meaning of Kufa, I take there is I don't

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want to be ungrateful, as a Muslim. Ungrateful means that he's

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doing everything good. But I don't want to be ungrateful to him. And

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there are various interpretations here. But one of the understanding

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is that she didn't like him. She just didn't have the

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compatibility. She didn't enjoy him, right being a husband. So she

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says like, he's a nice guy, and I don't want because I don't enjoy

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being with him. I don't want to say something or do something that

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is going to be now ungrateful. So can I come out of the marriage? So

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the Prophet sallallahu Sallam went, you know, he didn't want to

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divorce, her husband didn't want to divorce her. But the promise

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that I set them to act as an incentive. This is where you get

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caught up from this is where you get the concept of Hola. She said

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to him, Are you the promises and said to her, are you willing to

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give him back the orchard that he gave? You said yes. Right. So this

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is where you're paying for a divorce. And that's just the

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procedure. You can use that if your husband, you can

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pay him for a divorce, basically. Right? If that's the way to

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convince him

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So that is where so now the question here is that

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the the question that crazy is that when can somebody ask for a

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divorce? When should a man give a divorce? Under what cases? In what

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scenarios? And what circumstances? And in what cases? Should a woman

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be asking for a divorce because to ask for a divorce in when there's

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no problem, then that's going to sound a bit arbitrary anyway. So

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if you just cannot be together, then you divorce them.

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There's Matt, and some men are just really strange. In this case,

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the wife doesn't want to stay with him and they carry on, they keep

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punishing them. One person came to me in a in a program once, just

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several months ago, and he said, Sheikh, I need to speak to you.

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I've been trying to contact you for such a long time. And I said,

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Look, my numbers here and you can't call me. I don't have time

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to speak to you now after the program. So he called me and he

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says, Do you have an hour? I said, I don't have an hour. But let's

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see, you told me. I've got so many problems. I got this problem. I

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got this. I said, Look, just focus on the foundational, fundamental

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problems. What is the issue? So he said, he said, basically, for

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three years, my wife hasn't been with me. And we've been separated

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for three years, like three years. What's going on for three years?

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He said, Well, she doesn't want to stay with me anymore. And all the

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rest of it. And I'm trying to get her back for three. I said, don't

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you get the message in three years? What's your problem? Why

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don't you just divorce? He says, No, I don't want to divorce I like

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I want to be with So does she want to be with you says no. So I said

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that. Three years is more than enough time for a miracle to

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happen. Maybe you stayed one month, maybe two months, maybe one

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year even after that, don't you get the message. It's spoiling you

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It's messing up your life. You can't sleep properly, you're

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saying it's messing up your job, you're losing your job, or

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whatever the story was.

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So just divorce her.

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So the when I told him that and I said in your case you should be

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doing because now you're probably punishing her. And now it's

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probably wrong for you.

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Right? Think of the verse in the Quran where Allah subhanaw taala

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promises that if they separate were in the federal car, if they

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do separate, you're gonna love who coulomb insanity. Allah will

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enrich, will give Rena will give enrichment independence from and

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he's got enough resource to do that. Allah is reminding you, I

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have enough. A lot of men and women think that there's no life

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for me outside of this marriage. So they hold on, even though it's

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not working. It's not working. There's another person who came to

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see me once after July says, she wants out. I don't want her to be

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away. She wants to be away her parents, everybody. I said do you

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think you're gonna get her back? He said no. But he says I don't

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want to do the haram. I don't want to give a divorce because divorce

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is haram. I said abadal halali ilahi. A talaaq. The most

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repugnant of the halal so it's not haram. Right? When the case when

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the scenario demands it, you give a divorce, you will not be sinful.

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She has already caused if she is to blame, I can only speak

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according to what you tell me. In a lot of marriage cases. I don't

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make in most marriages, I don't make judgments. Because when you

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listen to the wife story, you get convinced by her story. When you

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listen to the husband story, you get convinced by the story. So

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you're especially if you ever listen to America do not rush to

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judgments. The only time you can do that is if you sit them both,

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they both speak then you understand where the problem is.

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And generally both are to blame. Generally speaking, I have seen

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cases though, where only one side was to blame. And mashallah, that

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was such an interesting case that the husband said she's a very good

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girl, she's everything, but I just don't want to be with her.

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And I am the problem.

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I finally see if you do get those cases where one person takes all

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the blame. Do you see what I'm saying? But it wasn't helpful

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because he didn't want to be with her. So he divosta

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She really wanted to be but then he wouldn't fulfill the rights and

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everything. It was complicated. So where it's necessary, we're not

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Catholics, we do give a divorce. And that's the best thing to do.

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In that case. In the Catholics, they're not allowed to divorce if

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they divorced. They're not they can't be members of the particular

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church. Because and in in, in Rome, in the Vatican, they

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actually trying to figure out how to modernize this. It's very

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complicated for them. I went to the Vatican, this was one of the

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discussions I had with one of the with one of the

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members there, and it's quite difficult for Islam is very

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balanced. You don't do it just arbitrarily but where it's

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incompatible, just go for a divorce. Unfortunately, though,

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husbands wives, they use these words that husband generally says,

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I'm not going to divorce you I'm gonna punish her. She asked for

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it. She messed it up. So did she deserves I said, No.

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She's wrong. She'll be sinful. She's wrong. She won't have the

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baraka. But now if you keep her beyond that, and you don't listen

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to the Quran saying let her go

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When it's all broken down, now you will also be sinful. Why do you

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want to be sinful? Why do you want to make a mistake? What the wives

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do on the other hand, is they use the children against the,

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I've got a whole talk on, I don't want to repeat this. But I know at

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least about 10 people very close to me, not like close families,

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but in the area, or people I know, in different parts. Some of them

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are even scholars, or educated people, and so on, where they have

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the men have not seen their children for years and years and

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years and years.

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Because what the wife does, in many cases is the wife in some

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cases is the husband, the it's called the malicious mother

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syndrome, or malicious, the malicious person syndrome or

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something like that. What that basically means is that when

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somebody gets divorced or separated, there's so much anger

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that you want to get back at them. And the only way you can do it is

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use the law in the West. And in the law in the West, at least in

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England, and I don't know what Sweden, but in quite a few

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countries, it's very biased towards women, the mother, all she

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has to do, she has to claim that the father is doing this wrong or

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that wrong. And that's it separation. Sorry, the children

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until they prove it, the husband has to get a lawyer, and he has to

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spend a lot of money. And even then, even if the they say, okay,

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it was wrong, what by that time taken three months, five months,

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the mothers turn the child against the husband. So now they can't get

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back together because they say there's bonding process. And I

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said, I said there's about 10 cases that I know, to such a

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degree that one person whose it happened to his friend, when he

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got divorced, his child was just born.

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In order to protect in the future. He said, I don't want anything to

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do with the child. Don't bring him to me. If you want to you come and

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drop him off.

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But because he knew the wife is going to get back home. So then

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after a few months, she said you need to look you need to see your

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child, he needs his father and everything. So I said, Okay, fine,

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if that's what you want come and drop him off. She said, No, he's

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not used to you, my brother is going to have to be there or

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something. And you see, she's trying to get back at him, said

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you either drop the child off, or I don't want anything to do with

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the child. All of his family is against him. All of his uncle's

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father mother is all against him that how can you do this to your

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own child? How can you dis own your own child when he I was

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feeling strange as well about this, but when he told me his

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story, I understand where he's coming from. He's seen too many

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horror stories, that the ex wife will use that for the rest of

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their life against against them. So he just said, it's better for

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me not to even develop a relationship with my child. I'm

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keeping everything on record. In the future. I'll show my child

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when that happens. Another case, which is very advanced, mashallah

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he after I don't know, 1015 years, somebody I knew 20 about 18 to 20

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years ago, finally his children are with him.

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The mother's family, they basically estranged the children,

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and he paid for them all along, you send money to them every, you

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know, all the time you send money for upkeep and everything, he did

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his part. And they would not let him speak, see then eventually

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speak or something like that. But finally, the child ran away from

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his because his mother died. Eventually, she was sick. And it

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was the extended family who carried on the problem who were

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worse. Finally Alhamdulillah came another couple, a big scholar,

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right? His he hadn't seen his two daughters for until they were 18.

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When they became a team, they reached out to him because now

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they were of legal age where they could do this. Their mother didn't

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have a right over them. And now mashallah they've reconciled.

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So this is these are things that happen from both sides. And this

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is all haram and wrong. To deprive thinks they, they're punishing the

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other parent, but what they're really doing is they're punishing

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the children, because children need a stability of both parents

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even if they're separated.

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So these are really sad things that shouldn't be happening.

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See, as we mentioned,

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Allah subhanaw taala reminds us when we're getting married in the

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hospital harjot That Taqwa is very important.

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And, as I said, in marriage, you should try to do everything

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according to the Sunnah. It's when you do things according to the

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Sunnah, that the baraka is going to come even if you think you know

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someone,

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even if you think somebody is compatible with you, you know, all

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the tests show it when you get together. The only way that you

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will have baraka and agreement is if Allah wants it to happen.

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That's why there's one person I know, right? Look at this study.

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There's one person I know who

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had read the Hadith

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and everything. So he said that my marriage, I'm going to make sure I

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do everything 100% halal, right, I'm going to do nothing wrong.

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So what he did was, in those days, this was many years ago in those

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days.

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It wasn't a complete acceptable tradition to even speak to your

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wife. Right in some cultures. So while he saw his wife for about

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two minutes,

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but he had done all of his due diligence, he had asked about her

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from her friend from friends and other people, and so on, made a

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lot of istikhara. And after that, he just heard her speaking once.

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So he knew that she sounded okay. Because he'd never spoken to her.

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In those days, I think they had, you know, the normal phones, the

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light the phone lines. So while his sister was speaking to her

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once, he picked up the other and heard her voice that okay, she

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sounds okay. Right? He is happy with that, because

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and you only saw her for two minutes. Then they got married. So

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she was from another city. So they got they did the Nika and

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everything. And then

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she, the tradition in them is that when the husband comes to pick you

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up, you sit at the back of the car with his sister, and your husband,

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new husband sits at the front with his wife who will drive, sorry,

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your husband will sit with his friend, they will drive you home.

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So she was very tight. So she thought, okay, in the two hour

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journey, I'm going to sleep in the back of the car, because it's

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going to be boring, right?

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So

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this person, what he did was, he changed the tradition. He said,

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she's my wife. Now, why do I need to sit at the front and she said

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at the back, that's a weird custom. She's my wife and I can

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sit next to her. So he got his friend and his friend's wife to be

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in the front. And he even had a sheet that was put between the

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seats, so you can get some privacy that I don't think he can afford

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the limousine with, you know, so this was his way. Now, he sat at

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the back and his sister thought that it's good to sit with them to

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keep them company. So she said, so it's him. It was his sister. And

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then the wife came and sat down. And she thought the husband were

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going to sit at the front. But then he suddenly came and sat next

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to it. This is the first time that they're meeting and the first time

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you're going to speak imagine this right first time. But until now

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you've done everything according to the Sunnah.

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He said that within half an hour, they broke the ice.

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Within half an hour. They started speaking as though that and the

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woman is a very reserved woman in general, but Masha Allah is saying

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that in half an hour, he broke the ice and they're speaking as though

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they've known each other for 10 years. To such a degree that on

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the way back, it was solid time. So they stopped at roadside, you

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know, cafe or whatever it is to pray Salat. And along with them

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was the other members of the family in another vehicle in a bus

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or whatever. His sister felt now that I shouldn't be here anymore.

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So she transferred over to the other and left him alone.

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Right. This is what you call baraka

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and Hamdulillah. It's it's carried on like that. You don't want to do

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anything wrong in your Nikka and throughout your journey as well.

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At the end of the day, that's just your Nika has taken place. Now

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your husband and wife now you need to produce children, the big

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journey starts now. Both your relationship and your children,

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the children, you're going to bring in the Therby of your

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children Subhanallah that's a big issue. And the only way you're

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gonna have good therapy of your children is if you are living a

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life of Taqwa.

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If, as I mentioned, even yesterday, if the husband is

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flirting around, the wife is flirting around, or now they have

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a child and you're feeding the child and you're watching

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something that is silly.

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Just useless. Useless, soaps, useless programs, listening to

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haram music, while you're doing this while you've got the child

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while you're holding the child, husband or wife, whatever it is,

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all of this will have an impact. I know one person when they got

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married, he was so particular that he would not even take his child

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into a store if there was music playing.

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He would tell his wife you stand outside the child have gone by the

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purchase or his wife will go in and he wasn't he didn't remain so

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strong afterwards. But mashallah the first child of is is

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different.

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Everything you do in your married life will impact your children as

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well. Because that's you are their first madrasa. You are there for

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school you are their training grounds. They just see they

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observe and the less haram you have in the house, the less haram

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you bring in. The more Baraka you get

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RIGHT. YEAH Dakwah is, is everything all your life will

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become better higher than per year but is what we call it. We're

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especially when it comes to husband wife relationships. It's

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very important. And of course, if we make mistakes, you make Toba,

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you repent to Allah subhanaw taala. So don't end the estimate

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this, this relationship once you get married, anything halal, you

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do it.

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Right? Once you get married, everything Halal you should do

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public displays of affection allowed in Islam, can we go around

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the more like with their hands and then have a little kiss on the

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corner. And all the rest of it, as you know, you see people doing,

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right. So if you look at the life of the Prophet salallahu Salam, or

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the Sahaba, you do not see that anywhere.

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Right? Because remember, your personal life, your sexual aspect

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of your intimacy is a private thing. In private, do what you

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want, I've just explained it. But in public, it's not for everybody

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to see. That's why if it's not in public, you do not put it up on

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social media either. To get more hits, that's just crazy. That that

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is not something you do. That doesn't mean that you can't hold

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hands when necessary. If you've gone for ombre, or whatever, and

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you think you're gonna lose, because so much is busy. You can

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hold hands, it's not random, but you just don't do it sexually.

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That it seems because then that just creates idea in people's

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mind. You're not supposed to be there to show people that hey, you

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know, we love each other so much. There's other ways to show that.

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You don't need to tell anybody that.

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That's why sometimes now on YouTube, you have these Muslim

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couples even Nickleby and whatever, they're trying to show

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affection to one another, and then they get messed up. Right? It's

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just crazy stuff, anything you do, that's haram eventually is gonna

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get messed up.

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So that's why our religion doesn't encourage public displays of

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affection. Just do it privately. That's good enough. Okay, I've got

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a question here. Before we carry on that side. What are your

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recommendations regarding polygamy in the West? What about women who

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refuse and think it's outdated?

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So you see, polygamy is obviously a sensitive issue. But let me tell

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let me tell the women something, right, from a man's perspective.

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If a lot of husbands talk about this, they're probably not going

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to do it. But they talk about it. I speak to men and they go on

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about it. And like a Is that something you really would do. And

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while they may have this dream, but they probably will not have

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the, either the monetary capability or whatever it is to

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deal with that situation anyway, so most men aren't going to do it.

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Just remember that. from a woman's perspective, the woman who called

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me and husband's done it. Now she's the first thing that Jen

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told you. There's a lot of women here told me if this is wrong, the

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first thing that comes to your mind about when your husband is

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thinking about another one, is that anti enough? Why?

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One big issue? This is my experience, I want to tell you

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from a man's perspective, I'll tell you a story. When I was in my

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last year, I wasn't married yet, of graduating as an in the RDM

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course. These other graduates had come who were married. And there

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was a program so they'd come and they're sitting there talking

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about second waves. I wasn't even married yet. But I said to him,

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like, what's wrong with you guys? Why do you guys always talk about

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second waves? Right? Like, you know, doesn't the one satisfy you?

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So there's one of them, I still know him. Right? And I still

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remember this is very calm. He didn't argue with me. He turned he

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says, are you married? I said no.

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And he said, Okay, get married. And then two years later, let's

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have this discussion.

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Right? So now, man, you can tell me if I'm wrong with this.

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It doesn't matter how good your wife is. Right? She could be

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literally the best woman in the world.

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This is it's in a man. And that's where Allah has allowed it. That's

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why I see the wisdom of allowing, even though it can

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cause the other woman so much tension. Still Allah allows it

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because men have this thing that even if you have the best wife is

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just a variety you want doesn't mean you have to do it. But I'm

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just saying that that's a need. Now.

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What I'm saying is generally whenever a man talks about this,

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the woman freaks out. And it just becomes I'm only saying this to

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empower the women. That firstly, firstly, do not think it could be

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that but in most cases is not because you have a shortcoming.

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You could have no shortcomings, but your husband is going to be

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talking about that. Why I'm telling you this is if you can

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empower yourself to think that way. You will not freak out. You

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can have a solid discussion about them without getting emotional

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about it. And if that you have that discussion, you will empower

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yourself and you'll be able to explain to your husband

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And why it's unhealthy or whatever the case is. Otherwise, if you're

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just going to become emotional about it as most women do, like,

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man, that's an affront to me, right? I'm not, am I not enough

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for you? What's wrong with you, etc, that it's not a, it can't

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become a good discussion. They're going to keep torturing you read

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this, right? Men should not torture their wife about this. If

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you're not going to do it, as most of you aren't, right, you

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shouldn't keep bringing it up. Some men, some men can just help

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it. Right? They just this dream that they bring up sometimes,

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right?

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But please, women, please try to understand that while it's not in

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the culture and all that, and it's illegal in the West to have a

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proper second wave anyway, it's illegal. But what they do is they

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just do Nikka. So it's, it's not considered legally anyway. Right?

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And that's how they make it valid as such. So

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people do still need to start looking at the fact that there's a

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lot of women out there and mashallah, I mean, what I've heard

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from Syrian women who are not into Polygamy In general, but those in

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the refugee camps, they're like, come and marry us. We don't care

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if it's a second wave or a third wave. Right? because how else are

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women going to be looked after? How else are you know, we talked

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about divorced women? How else are divorced women going to be looked

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after in the town, the Sahaba, when he was just so easy? It was

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because those things existed? That's why the answer to a lot of

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this stuff is a bitter answer. Right. But there's a whole

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framework chain that needs to take place. Right? There's a whole

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framework thing. I mean, there's a woman she's been in a messed up

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relationship for such a long time, she's now out, she's been out for

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a long time, 10 years. And she goes, now I need a partner. I

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hated man, I don't want to be with them anymore. But now I realized I

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need but I'm 50 or 40. And 40. I think she was 14, I've got 3g And

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who's gonna marry me? Right. And then she was even considering

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marrying Missy, our marriage, which is not recommended, but

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basically have a not temporary, if you're married to somebody, but

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he's already married. With children, he doesn't want to make

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a full commitment of a full second wife. So he's basically saying

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that I can meet you, I can come and you know, be with you twice a

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week or something like that. And she's, well, that's fine. I'm

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already very, because a lot of divorce women, they become very

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independent. They don't want to be under anybody anymore. Right? So

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what I'm trying to say is that none of these things are standard

00:32:20 --> 00:32:25

recommendations. is a, it depends on the individual. And what the

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issue is, of course, if somebody there are cases where the wife is

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not enough for him, or she's there's problems, or she wants

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children, she just can't have children. Well, what what a lot of

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men do is they just divorce their wife and get married another

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person, I've got a woman right now, por convert. Right? I really

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feel sorry for her. She was married. From Germany, she was

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married for, I don't know, 10 years or something they couldn't

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have children find he just dumped her divosta. Right. And

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another solution in that is you do Nikka elsewhere. And you keep

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both? Like, why can that not be possible. But for that the women

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have to be prepared. All I'm saying is you don't have to the

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

wives the divorce the lesson. And when I showed her the Allahu anha,

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she would get very jealous. When jewelry or the Allahu Anhu was

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captured. And people said, Oh, she was told the province I was

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married her. She went in a veil to look at her to see like, if she

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does she look good. Right. And she was stunning. Right? And she

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didn't want to know, like, you know, and so they had jealousy.

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They used to do things. And Jealousy is a natural thing. And

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that's understandable. That's not a problem, right? But if you can

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just understand the core issue, that men just have this thing,

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right? Even if you're the best woman in the world, then at least

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you don't feel like it's a personal attack on you. You can

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deal with it better. Right? It's generally the elephant in the

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house, that discussion, you should just have the discussion and sort

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it out. Right? And just not get perturbed every time because he

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knows how you can irritate you by just talking about that. And men

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should not do that anyway, but I'm trying to empower the women when

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senior men do that, or they can't help doing that. Seriously. You

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know,

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if the men do not know women's hormonal issues, right you're

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you're you're you're gonna have a problem you need to understand so

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you can have the sovereign tolerance and you know I didn't

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mention this you know, the person has some said

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it's those who've been sad haven for in Hoonah Holly economic villa

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in our which mean the line where in the average a shaman, a doula

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er Allah, right for those who witnessed a higher on my

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explanations of this, the crooked rib Hadith, which perturbs a lot

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of feminists but to be honest, Allah, the Prophet also is saying

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to men that you know, you think, you know, when men I don't do

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this, but when men get together, and when women get together among

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themselves, there are certain things that they told

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About men and women talk about and men talk about women. Now what the

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Prophet salallahu? Is this my understanding of the person and

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saying that you men, right, listen carefully, you men, if you think

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your wife is crooked, right, if you think she doesn't have to be,

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because that's her nature. That's her nature. That's not

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crookedness. That's the nature but if you're in your site, she is

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crooked, then you're never going to be able to straighten her.

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Right? He's saying, if you think in your perspective, she's

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crooked. That's her nature, you're never going to be straight. And so

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you better treat her well, and develop a relationship with that

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crookedness. Otherwise, if you try to correct her, and make her like

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you, you're gonna break her.

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Right? I think that's a wonderful understanding of the Hadith. You

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can have whatever perspective but make somebody with them. That's

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the way it is, you will never understand women fully.

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Right? Unless you've been married to like 20 women and you know, you

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you really like become an expert. Men will never understand women,

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but women will never understand men. But at least you'll

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understand if you can just take a lesson from the basics. You can

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get a better relationship.

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Right? Sobor Taqwa patients, I think that that should do it.

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Informal things like okay, so shaking hands, hugging, chatting,

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joking, flirting, these are all close to Zina. Right. They say

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that looking of course looking. What else? Thinking involves

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thinking voluntarily fantasizing.

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an involuntary thought comes you can get rid of that because you

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can't help them but you get rid of it, but voluntary fantasizing. You

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have you know, men and women should be so careful about the way

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they speak to one another. Because the other side will think you

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know, you're just trying to be nice. And other things things Oh,

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you're making an opening. So then they'll come on to you. And then

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you want to be polite so you don't want to throw them off. Here you

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don't want to be polite. You want to say no, cut it otherwise you'll

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get drawn into it. Okay. So let's make a DUA and we end this measure

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this llama into Salam Inca Salam Tabarrok their their journey with

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the Quran, Allah who may or hate you yaka. You Mirotic understudies

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Allahu Manya Hannah Yeoman Illa and Subhanak in good nominal body

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mean Allahumma salli wa salam ala Sayyidina Muhammad wa earliest

00:37:35 --> 00:37:39

either now Mohammed or vertical Salam Yeah. Or hemraj he mean,

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yeah, Medina Judi. Welcome. Yeah. Hiral, mas Olean were hired on May

00:37:44 --> 00:37:49

18. Were a caramel Ackerman. We asked you for your mercy. Yeah

00:37:49 --> 00:37:52

Allah we asked you for your special forgiveness of Allah We

00:37:52 --> 00:37:56

asked you for your special attention of Allah. Those here who

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are married of Allah improve and enhance their marriages of Allah

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make their spouses and our children, our spouses and our

00:38:03 --> 00:38:06

children, our progeny until the Day of Judgment, a source of

00:38:06 --> 00:38:11

gladness and joy for our sight of Allah allow us to understand our

00:38:11 --> 00:38:16

weaknesses, our problems, our issues and correct them. Oh Allah,

00:38:16 --> 00:38:20

Oh Allah make our defects clear in our sights of Allah subdue the

00:38:20 --> 00:38:24

defects of our partners in our sights of Allah can seal the

00:38:24 --> 00:38:27

defects of our partners in our sights so that we can have a happy

00:38:27 --> 00:38:31

married life. Oh Allah, we ask that you remove our defects, Oh

00:38:31 --> 00:38:34

Allah, we ask that you give us a blessing and Baraka in our

00:38:34 --> 00:38:37

marriages. Oh Allah, those who are not married Oh Allah grant them

00:38:37 --> 00:38:40

righteous partners. Oh Allah grant, grant them righteous

00:38:40 --> 00:38:43

spouses of Allah those who can't have children, oh Allah grant them

00:38:43 --> 00:38:49

children. Oh Allah, those who want blessing in there. Oh Allah, those

00:38:49 --> 00:38:53

who want harmony. Oh Allah grant them that harmony. Oh Allah grant

00:38:53 --> 00:38:57

us all harmony, Allah forgive us, especially those sins which have

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brought the darkness in our homes, those sins which have brought

00:39:01 --> 00:39:05

taken away the blessings from our homes, those sins which have

00:39:06 --> 00:39:10

caused friction in our families of Allah those sins which are

00:39:11 --> 00:39:16

preventing the good things from happening to us. Oh Allah and

00:39:16 --> 00:39:17

especially those sins which

00:39:18 --> 00:39:22

have become now part of our life and we don't even consider them

00:39:22 --> 00:39:25

sins anymore. Oh Allah grant us beneficial knowledge of Allah

00:39:25 --> 00:39:30

grant us good experience grant us good surroundings good friends, oh

00:39:30 --> 00:39:34

Allah and make our surrounding conducive for the worship of our

00:39:34 --> 00:39:38

for the worship of you and for the practice of our faith of Allah

00:39:38 --> 00:39:41

accept our coming here together except our spending the two days

00:39:41 --> 00:39:45

here. Oh Allah make this a great source of blessing and baraka and

00:39:45 --> 00:39:50

enhancements in our in our lives in general. Have Allah bless all

00:39:50 --> 00:39:55

of those who have established these places of Allah, the aroma

00:39:55 --> 00:39:59

and all the volunteers and all those who work tirelessly to make

00:39:59 --> 00:39:59

these

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Things happen. Oh Allah accept this program. Forgive our

00:40:03 --> 00:40:06

shortcomings Oh ALLAH surely we had shortcomings or ALLAH forgive

00:40:06 --> 00:40:09

our shortcomings. Oh Allah any mistakes we have made Allah allow

00:40:09 --> 00:40:13

us to correct those mistakes and oh Allah allow many other good

00:40:13 --> 00:40:16

things to happen from this program and from this place, and oh Allah

00:40:16 --> 00:40:20

unite us together in general for those suffering Subhan Arabic

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Arrabida is at the mercy phone or Salam, anon Marcelino Al

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Hamdulillah me

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