Abdal Hakim Murad – Winter Reading List 4

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speaker discusses various spiritual and ecology books and teachings from popular spiritual teachings, including the history of the Jewish population and their cultural origins. They also mention the "will" of the Jewish people to achieve the peace and security they deserve, as well as the "will" of the Jewish people to achieve the peace and security they deserve. The segment also touches on the origins of the Bible and its implications for political beliefs, including the use of language and national pride, and the depopulation of values and political goals leading to a depopulation of values and political goals.
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Smilla hamdu lillah wa salatu salam ala Rasulillah. Early he was

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off be woman well.

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So, once again, we have the opportunity to share thoughts

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about some of the things that I've been reading recently. This is our

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winter reading lists that perhaps will enable us to wile away those

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long hours in these dark winter evenings. And it's our custom to

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look at five books,

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which hopefully will enable us not just to learn more about our

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heritage in the world, but will enable us to inhabit the modern

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reality in a more informed way. So my first pick this year, is a book

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by the American Jewish author, Daniel Boyarin,

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which he calls the no state solution, and his professor of

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Jewish Studies, Talmudic culture

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at the University of California, at Berkeley, and one of the most

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distinguished Jewish intellectuals writing in the academic world,

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nowadays. His book, carnal Israel is a really interesting and

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Islamically actually quite suggestive account of the way in

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which Jewish knowledge is always embodied in forms of engagement

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with the body with water with ablution, circumcision and so

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forth. But the book that I'm looking at, which is his latest

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book, is about the current

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unfolding catastrophe in the Middle East whose ripples are now

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spreading far and wide, including creating thick, most recently, the

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largest ever demonstration in Cape Town larger even then the anti

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apartheid demonstrations 30 years ago, a global crisis focused on

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Jerusalem ultimately. So the no stick solution, a Jewish

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manifesto, by Daniel Boyer in

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we always hear about the two state solution, which is where the

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forlornly the dream of the Foreign Office and various dialog pundits.

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But of course, it's clear that so much land has been taken on the

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west bank now, and Gaza is kind of a pile of rubble, that the idea of

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a Palestinian state is a kind of pipe dream, frankly, in the

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current scenario, Netanyahu has said is against a two state

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solution, one state solution maybe

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I was talking once to a settler rabbi in Jerusalem, who was saying

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there'll be a one state solution, everybody will be able to move and

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live wherever they like in Greater Israel, but the vote will be only

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for Jews. So it'll be a democratic state, but a Jewish state, and

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Christians and Muslims will be allowed to live and enjoy

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citizens, right, but they won't be able to vote. And that's how we'll

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maintain our identity. Something like that may well be a

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possibility. But Boiron is proposing this cheeky title, the

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no state solution.

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He begins with a kind of statement of his own agonizing, as somebody

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who spent his life with the Jewish texts, Jewish communities, Jewish

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tradition, a religious man, and who really loves his, his identity

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is at Al Kitab identity, but is completely alienated by the

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reality of Jewish nationalism in the Middle East. So he loves the

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people and the idea of the people as a nation, but not the idea of

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the people as a nation state. So let me just read to you in his

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explanation right at the beginning, so you can see what

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he's doing when he says no to a national energy or enterprise for

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the Jewish people. After literally decades of obsessive thought about

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the Jewish question. I seem to have gotten myself into an aporia,

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a dead end of thinking with no way out. One way of describing this

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and pass would be the two of my most ardent political commitment

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to full justice for Palestinians, and to a vibrant creative Jewish

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national culture seemed directly to contradict each other. It would

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seem as if the only way to fulfill the latter dream is to support the

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existence of the State of Israel. But clearly the existence of the

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State of Israel next to the first dream impossible to fulfill. The

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forms, moreover, that this Jewish national culture takes in the

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Jewish state have always been problematical, inevitably. So I

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would argue, given the premises of such a state, even when pursued

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with the best will, this best will furthermore, turns more and more

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sour almost by the day, it seems almost inevitably so the nation

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state is well on the way to being a racist, fascist state. Given the

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choice between justice and my culture, my nation, I have no

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choice but to choose justice, but the loss would be insupportable.

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So as explaining this trauma is actually shared by very many

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Jewish people that on the one hand, they need to express their

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fourth their fullness as a nation with a law, but on the other hand,

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they can't rest easy in their homes when they know that their

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homes have been

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Taken from another ethnic group and they have to find ways of

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shutting out that ethical paradox. So here he

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in the book reflects on Jewish authenticity is something that

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following the destruction of the temple has always existed and

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flourished and as found its identity in diaspora, as

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minorities, that is where Jewishness is most authentically

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to be found. And that's the moral paradox of existing as a

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triumphant state while sitting on the head of a captive population

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is not Jewish, and cannot be allowed to continue. So it's quite

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a good read. There's plenty of other books by anti Zionist Jews.

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Of course, Shlomo sand is very interesting with this, the

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invention of the Jewish people is a Tel Aviv historian, who's

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written this very meticulous book, they've tried to pull it apart,

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but the reviews have generally been favorable, even in the

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Israeli press, where he says that the Palestinians, by and large, as

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far as we can tell, are the descendants of the ancient

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Israelites with lots of admixture from everywhere. But the Jews who

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returned following the suppose at exile, the Romans expelled them,

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he says, that never happened

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from around the world, are largely the descendants of converts. So

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the Eastern European Jews, the Arab Jews, local populations, that

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then were religiously assimilated into the Jewish people. So that's

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a very interesting read. And he's also very alienated by the whole

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Zionist culture which diseases inevitably given differential

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birth rates in Israel slanting towards more and more Zion

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religious Ultra nationalist electorates. So he's written a

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book called Why I am no longer a Jew, which raises interesting

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questions about whether you can stop being Jewish, but that's also

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interesting. But Muslims who see the current conflict as a kind of

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zero, sum game between different religions need to be aware of this

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very vibrant Jewish minority dissident opinion that is about

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looking for an authentic Jewish identity and diaspora. So Boiron,

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definitely on my list, kind of relatedly I've been reading a bit

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about and this is my second pick this year,

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about the catastrophe, the Holocaust, if you like of the

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Native American populations, you might have noticed that dozens of

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churches have been burnt down in America recently by Native

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Americans, as an expression of their outrage at the way in which

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using Christian ideology, quite often using biblical terminology.

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The countries were were taken apart, they were ethnically

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cleansed, destroyed by alcohol destroyed by venereal disease

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destroyed by militant Christianity and a series of, of massacres. And

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actually, of all the American races. The demography that's most

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supportive of the Palestinians in the US at the moment is actually

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the Native Americans. So this is one of the most kind of heart

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rending books by Theodore Kroeber, Ishee into worlds the best known

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book by and about Native American culture. And spirituality is of

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course, Black Elk Speaks, which is also really moving. And anything

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about the Native American Experience tends to be sobering

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and depressing. But in the context of Muslims living in America, who

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need to know what is indigenous, and the fitrah of their people who

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are looking for instance of ways of decorating mosques, and

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identifying with not the settler cultures, but with what is

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indigenous, because that's what is normally used as important to

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understand these people. So this is a book

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about this guy issue. It's not even his name, because in his

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tribe, you could you could ever pronounce your own name,

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had to be named by somebody else. And he was the last survivor of

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his tribe. There were hundreds, maybe South 1000s of them. Then

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the white man came is from California, from the rocky tribe.

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And they were massacred, murdered, poisoned with alcohol. And he was

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the very last survivor, the last speaker of his language. So he

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wasn't even able to tell the people who finally found him what

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his name was, but he was kind of adopted by the California and

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academic establishment.

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When he was finally found having been alone, everybody else was

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killed from his nation and brought into civilization. And

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he learned English and he became a mine of information about what

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California was like. And it's very interesting because the usual

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stereotypes of the Red Indian, being shot down by John Wayne as

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he kind of screams and hollers and scalps the white man does the

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usual kind of things that the other will do. America's

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Palestinians

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is

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what a kind of refined

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To person who was, here's somebody who, before the age of 50 had been

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living a kind of Paleolithic lifestyle. These are hunter

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gatherers. They didn't even have villages, they wandered up in the

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hills of California.

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And then the age of 50 is brought in, they're given a suit. He sees

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railway trains for the first time, he sees skyscrapers. And what

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they're amazed by is his extreme courtesy. He's not the wild man,

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kind of a Fred Flintstone Stone Age man. He's extremely polite. So

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they take him to dinner parties and California. And he is

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unfailingly courteous to the women, he always looks down when

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he's speaking to them, always polite to them. The idea of the

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savage even the noble savage is is not present. His quite bewildered

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by the obsessiveness that the white man has for building high

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for achieving things for subduing the landscape, he doesn't see the

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point of that at all. When you see photographs of him you see the

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kind of hieratic tribal dignity of his face, next to these smirking

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anthropologists who have the kind of disturbed anxious Western

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faiths, and the difference between them was quite, quite amazing. So

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just to read a little bit, this is kind of the summary of who these

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people were. It's quite a good spiritual as well as an

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ethnographic account. Because these I call primordial peoples

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were people who worship the Great Spirit, who saw the divine in the

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divine signs in nature, who were very hygienic every morning at

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dawn who get up to pray, but would wash before he prayed

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a Fitri human being so

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the California Indian was, in other words, a true provincial.

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He was also an introvert, reserved, contemplative and

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philosophical. He lived at ease with the supernatural and the

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mystical, which were pervasive in all aspects of life. He felt no

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need to differentiate mystical truths from directly evidential or

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material truth, or the supernatural from the natural one

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was as manifest as the other within his system of values and

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perceptions and beliefs. The promoter, the booster, the

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aggressor, the ego as the innovator, would have been looked

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at a Scots. The ideal was the man of restraint, dignity, rectitude,

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he of the middle way, this is often that Native American way of

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saying what we would call a stood out on the stocking balance in

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Norway, sometimes called the Red Road.

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So

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it's if you read it, it's uncannily similar to some of the

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most foundational aspects of Quranic religion.

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The idea of the elements the idea of the Indicative unity of nature,

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the idea of restraint, the idea of, well, polygamy is the, but a

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kind of strict separation of the genders in terms of function. And

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in terms of presence, they didn't do free mixing very much, not not

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no California, red people,

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the idea of different times of day being suitable for different forms

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of worship, the idea of a lunar calendar.

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It is kind of North America's true Sharia, if you like and when I was

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last year in

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Arizona, I was interested to find that Muslim communities there have

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a good relationship with the Apaches who are on the

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reservation. And of course, the white man's tools, particularly

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alcohol, are continuing to

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oppress those people. A very great tragedy. One thing that is really

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it's haven't been able to do, of course, is to poison the

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Palestinians with alcohol because they didn't drink. It's part of

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the problem. One reason why the reservations are Gaza sized,

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rather than little American reservations, you just can't

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poison them with, or at least the ties in with alcohol. So I found

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this book very moving. It's not too technical, anthropological,

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but it's a very good portrait of this guy who was treated in a

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university as a kind of curiosity. All this is an exhibit people have

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come to the University Museum enough to see the the red man. And

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then after he died, even though he had certain requests for how he

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would be buried, they didn't respect that, of course, and even

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took his brain out and sent it to the Smithsonian, in Washington to

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be analyzed along with millions of other Indian relics that they

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have. Apparently, they lost his brain for a while. But finally,

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when they started to change in their attitude to the red man, it

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was sent back to a related tribe, and it was buried in a secret

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place so the white man can never change his mind but a traumatic

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story but also a reminder that the fitrah is universal and human

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beings, when they live in a primordial way with nature,

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respecting the seasons, the sun and the moon, the presence of the

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Great Spirit, become people have to

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Mendes, restraint and dignity and not savages. Pick number three

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this year is this books. It's a very humble production love

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secret, a journey to the Beyond no author

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which is unusual in these egotistic times particularly not

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academics are on the catwalk all the time seeing my stuff.

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But not for this lady. And it's fairly clear that this is female,

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spirituality.

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It's that thing that we used to do a lot as an ummah, which is what

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used to be called shutter heart or theater Pathik locutions, or

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interest phrase that is to say, inspired words that try to capture

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the perfume of a particular moment of lived experiential proximity to

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the divine.

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So the it's not poetry, but it's as you can see set out so there is

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not very much on each page. And the anonymous author s

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is using a spare but quite evocative language in order to try

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and document a spiritual state which is clearly inspired by Rumi

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and Sufi tradition.

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I want to be taken into meditation drawn into the depths. I don't

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want to sit with the straight back or force this relationship with

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the beyond.

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I want my eyes to close slowly, because they need to because I'm

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carried. I want this to be a feminine experience of beauty or

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soul. One day, I may be ready to go completely. But for now, please

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just continue to be patient and kind.

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I used to think this light was mine. No, I see. It was never

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anything to be owned, and never something to keep. Simply a gift

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you gave which I can offer back to you with the sincerity of my heart

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and the purity of my intentions.

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I found the more I have taken, the less I have.

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I've been given time to take the responsibility of this life

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seriously. What more could I ask for? I've been given space to

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pray. I've been given a heart that cries What more could I ask for?

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I've been given sunrise after sunrise. I've been given the black

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of night. Really what more is there to ask for? Now I will take

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each step forward. Honestly, respectfully, compassionately.

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It is you who sees for my eyes and loves for my heart. Birds sing. I

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hear them for you.

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I come to you in need, wanting nothing and everything

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simultaneously. My prayer is a prayer of rest and of silence.

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Knowing I can never be enough except to the kindness of your

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merci so many times you make it possible for me to breathe again.

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And so many times I forget to in need and remember you in love.

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So as you work through these simple expressions of what is

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traditionally called Mona jet, like the Mona jet of Hydra,

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Abdullah Ansari, and an author in Al Eskandari, who has the hicken

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but also his famous one object is intimate conversations with the

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divine. You get a sense cumulatively as you read through

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these meditations and these little prayers of the particular

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fragrance of the of the

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writer's experience the Neff heart, the exhalation of the

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Divine and in our age where it's known as become quite

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externalized. People write too much about God and their

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experiences, but they will have a million views on that absent

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Sharia and politics. I think it's important to get back to this

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particular voice and to remember that the essence of religion is

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the personal experience of proximity to el Caribe, the near.

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Quite a nice gift as well, I would say because it's the kind of basic

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hardback but it's a nice looking thing. So it's a kind of present

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for people and weddings, aid, presents and so forth. i i dish

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them out whenever I can. So we move on to my fourth pick for this

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year. Jack miles. God in the Quran

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is not a Muslim is a Episcopalian American, who's written a book

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called God, a biography which got the Pulitzer Prize a few years

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ago, he writes in the New York Times, and it's kind of well known

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voice on the interpretation of religion. And he's written a book

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about the god of the Quran, coming to it as a ton of open minded,

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open hearted, curious American of the best sort, worried about the

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growth of sort of Trumpian Islamophobia in his country.

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and looking at the Koran and its portrayal of the Divine, with a

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fresh objective and it's not an academic book.

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It's not packed with with footnotes, but he's done a lot of

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reading, reading in Islamic literature as well as with Quran.

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And his conclusions are very interesting.

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The American Evangelical kind of

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warmongering stereotype is of Islam as this religion of the

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sword, not a religion of peace and Christianity as being the religion

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of Jesus meek and mild on the other cheek and therefore better.

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And his comparison actually, even though he's not quite at ease with

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it, and isn't quite sure where to go with it theologically. He

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leaves it really as a question is that it's kind of the other way

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around, which is not what he expected when he began his quite

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meticulous study of the Quran. So he begins by talking about how the

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Bible ends with the violence of Jesus at the end of time. And the

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violence of the language, which is very important for American

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evangelicals was used a lot in the war on Iraq, when it was thought

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that Iraq was Babylon, Babylon will be overthrown. God would give

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victory to Israel, the mosque would be destroyed, the temple

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would be rebuilt, there'll be lots of trumpets sounding and Christ

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would come again, which is a few many millions of evangelicals in

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America and in kind of prosperity, gospel environments in places like

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Africa, believe it, which is

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Armageddon type, language, but this idea of the violent Christ,

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with his eyes of fire and feet of brass, who comes to hurl the

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unbelievers into eternal fire, I saw an angel standing in the sun,

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and he shouted aloud to all the birds sort of flying high overhead

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in the sky. Come here gather together at God's great feast, you

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will eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of great generals and

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heroes, the flesh of horses and their riders and of all kinds of

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people's citizens and slaves, small and great alike. And it's

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important for Muslims who are trying to understand American

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violence that's often supported by the, the evangelical right. And

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American support for Israeli maximalism that they're reading

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all of the Bible, and particularly this consternation of the Bible,

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as many understand it, and it's foretelling of the end times and

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the violence that Christ will be unleashing. So he begins by

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talking about, well, this binary, peaceful Jesus, and the war

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mongering idea of the Sierra, maybe it's not like that. So he

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then goes and looks at the specific stories, particularly of

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the prophets as recounted in the Bible, and goes through them one

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by one, job and Jacob and casting out of Ishmael, the fate of Hadar,

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Joseph all of those stories, Moses, and particularly looks at

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what Bible specialists called the text of terror, which is the

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extreme acts of ethnic cleansing and aberrant violence that are

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endlessly attributed to the prophets. And that adherence in

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the Hebrew Bible, the head of the sacred extermination.

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God says to Moses, Write this down in a book this is the biblical

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book of Exodus, to commemorate it and repeat it over to Joshua for I

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shall blot out all memory of a Malik under heaven. Now go and

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crush a Malik put him under the curse of destruction with all that

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he possesses. Do not spare him but kill man and woman, even suckling

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oxen, sheep, camel and donkey. So if God in the Bible is ordering

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his prophet to massacre, not just competence, but also the women and

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the babies and even their animals, this ban of extermination is kind

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of regarded as

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absolute. Now, can you imagine if a verse like that would appeared

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in the Quran, wipe out their babies and kill their animals? Fox

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News would be reciting it several times a day. It'd be their

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favorite Quranic quote, but it's kind of biblical. And this is the

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kind of text that Netanyahu has been citing in order to give

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religious explanation and context for his campaign in in Gaza. So

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what he does as he moves to the Bible and looks at the Quranic

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stories, is to conclude that all of these horrifying things, modern

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Christians find them kind of horrifying. A lot of Jews find

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them kind of not Jewish. They're taken out from the

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you don't get these massacres the psalm that's that says, Blessed is

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he who takes the babies of the of the Babylonians and

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Dasha is out their brains on a rock that doesn't appear in the

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Quran.

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The story of

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the dubious stories about the prophets, so lots sleeping with

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his daughters and Solomon hankering after foreign deities,

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and

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all of the very dubious tales in the story of Abraham, the binding

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of his son in the bible. what he sees as a rather nasty touch is

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that Abraham doesn't tell his son that he's about to kill him. It's

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going to be a kind of paternal surprise in the Quran. Of course,

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the first thing that Abraham does Alayhis Salam, when he sees the

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dream is to go to his son and to say this has happened. Funds

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automatic, what do you think? He consults with him, so he knows

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exactly, and the son consents. So miles his view is that the Quran

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consistently emphasizes these chaotic stories about the biblical

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god and actually ends up

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giving us a greatly improved view of Jewish history that it becomes

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ethical. It's the opposite of anti semitic because it's taking out

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and reforming and saying, These stories are not true. Your

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Prophets your story is actually really ethical and really

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beautiful. So he ends there was some interesting

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reflections what, what, what to do with it. So he says things like

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this is quite smart. I recognize a brilliant symmetry in how Islam

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combined Judaism's criticism of Christianity with Christianity's

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criticism of Judaism.

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Christianity insisted against Jewish tradition, on

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universalizing God's covenant with Israel to include in potential all

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of mankind, dissolving Israel's privileged in the process. Islam

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accepted this critique, the Muslim ummah, is as universal in

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aspiration as the Christian church. Judaism insisted against

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emergent Christianity, that is, God alone was divine, there could

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be no two powers in heaven. Jesus was not the Lord. Only the Lord

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hath Oddish Barrow, who was the Lord, Islam accepted this

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critique. There is no room in its theology for a divine Christ, or

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any other power associated with the one and only God.

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For image by a kind of radical simplification, Islam took was

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most precious and most defining it at the same time, eliminated from

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each what was most problematic. From Christianity, it stripped off

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the doctrine that had produced by the time of Mohammed, endless

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controversy and multiplying sectarian division. Well, from

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Judaism, or from the Jews as a people, it stripped off the sense

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of privilege as the one and only chosen people of the one and only

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God.

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So by the time he's got through all of the stories, and done this

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work is kind of really transformed, that the Quran

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represents exactly the solution to these ethical difficulties and

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these theological problematics and kind of gets the best as he sees

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it of the two religions and creates a new religion with it,

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that emphasizes the whole story of monotheism. So I can recommend

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this God in the Quran by Jack miles, wholeheartedly, I think, as

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a good refutation of Bible bashes, who say that Islam is violent.

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They need to get to have their noses rubbed on the pages of the

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Old and the New Testament and asked to read this, to see what

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the comparison really looks like when a kind of open hearted

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American Christian is prepared honestly to do to do the work. So

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my final book this year, political again, it's been a very political,

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disruptive. 12 months. John Gray who is professor just retired, I

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think, London School of Economics is a philosopher, the new

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leviathans, thoughts after liberalism.

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Everybody left and right, spectator readers, New Statesman

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readers.

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Take a deep breath. What do you mean, after liberalism? Aren't

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things getting more liberal, more work more tolerant, more

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inclusive, more diverse? What does he mean after liberalism? Are we

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sliding back into Nazism or some kind of divine right of kings

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world? Well, he's looking first of all, at the philosopher Hobbes,

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Thomas Hobbes, author of The Leviathan, the perpetual whipping

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boy for many historians, and philosophers and political

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scientists, but the opposite view is that in the state of nature,

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man is a wolf to man, and that we need the state the Leviathan in

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order to restrain things from collapsing. It's the Islamic idea

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of the wears out, there must be a religio, cultural, political

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entity that stop for the weak being devoured by by the strong

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I'm Hobbes quite an Islamic thinker in many ways. So gray is

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thinking it's not not a Christian is not religious. Following the

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decline of the Christian order or the theistic order, generally in

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the West, which underpins values, we have this slide towards massive

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inequality, towards

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more authoritarianism, in many parts of the world, that the 1989

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to 1991 euphoria, the kind of Fukuyama, end of history, bliss,

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at last history has reached its consummation, and it's over,

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because the Soviet Empire has fallen. And the future is with

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democracy, human rights, liberal capitalism, etc. The final

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solution, Darwin has been proved right in the Human Sphere, has

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been disproved by the fact that history is certainly back with us.

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We have a major war in Europe, once again, we have a multipolar

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world in a way that we haven't seen really since the 19th

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century, America diminishing, defeated even in Afghanistan.

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We have the rise of China, we have the rise of India, we have the

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rise of Russia, which is generally fielding sanctions, pretty well

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look set to when its current war with NATO, which is essentially

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what it is NATO doing everything in Ukraine except pulling the

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trigger.

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And in this very unstable world, liberalism is very much on the

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defensive, even in the western world itself. So he points to the

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new authoritarianism, particularly in campuses and those who work in

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a Western University know how strict the speech codes are, what

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you can say about Israel, what you can say about sexualities, what

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you can say about the list of issues on which there is quite

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rigorous censorship continues to grow in the name of a certain type

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of work, orthodoxy, so he says this, for instance, in schools and

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universities, education inculcates conformity with the ruling

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progressive ideology. The arts are judged by whether they serve

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approved political goals. Dissidents from orthodoxies on

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race, gender, and Empire, find their careers terminated in their

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public lives erased. This repression is not the work of

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governments, the ruling catechisms are formulated and enforced by

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civil society. Libraries, galleries and museums exclude

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viewpoints that are condemned as reactionary powers of censorship

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or exercised by big high tech corporations. illiberal

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institutions are policing society and themselves.

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A global pandemic, accelerating climate change, and war in Europe

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have hastened these transformations. But they began as

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many historical reversals do, with the apparent triumph of an

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opposite trend greeted in the West as an augury that liberal values

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was spreading worldwide, the Soviet collapse was the beginning

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of the end for liberalism, as it had previously been understood.

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So he doesn't really talk much about the Islamic dimensions of

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this, but it is important, given the kind of preachy nature, so

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much Western discourse about other cultures and about Muslims and

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Muslim migrants and why wouldn't they be like us and World Bank

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loans to countries in the Muslim world that are conditional on

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progress on women's rights and alternative sexualities and the

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fuss that they made during Qatar, that the Qatar is we're not going

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to change their laws and their values and their structure of the

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family, in order to please Western work. Orthodoxy is the idea of the

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West as

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the exporter of a kind of coercive liberalism, which is actually the

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opposite of traditional liberalism as, as understood so the regrowth

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of empire, the regrowth of a multipolar world, and the collapse

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of the dream that the West has triumphed, something that Muslims

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as they're searching for their own place in an increasingly

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multipolar world need to reflect on that we're in a very strange

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transitional time in which Western triumphalism really, as great

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amply documents no longer works with the collapse of the religious

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basis for Western civilization. New orthodoxies are being imposed.

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And the future direction of the West is unclear demography as

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well. Of course, the birth rate across the industrialized world is

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collapsing. And there's no sign that that will that will be

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reversed. So immigration,

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demographic transformations.

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All of this is going to make the future look

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unstable, certainly. But it's not the West as the end of the summit

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and the conservation of history, the way that Fukuyama and

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Huntington and many other sort of evangelicals, for Westerners were

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thinking 30 years ago, so quite a useful reflection coming from us.

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secular perspective on the sort of spangled Aryan thesis of the

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decline of the West that now unquestionably seems to be

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happening. So that's the end of my reflections on what I have been

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reading in recent times. And I think all of these things from

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their very disparate perspectives are going to be useful to us. And

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insha Allah will always remember that empires come and go

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ideologies come and go peoples come and go Zion isms come and go

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nationalisms come and go, Islam remains.

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General Huck, was I have called Battle in about Allah kanessa

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hookah falsehood is just a kind of froth and it passes away. And what

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is the only thing that certain about the future is that Islam

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will continue to be there, and its basic forms will continue to be

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maintained. 100 Allah, Allahu hollyburn Allah Emery inshallah

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we'll be enjoying the rest of the winter and May Allah bring us

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safely to Ramadan, as wiser humbler, more reflective, more

00:36:05 --> 00:36:09

optimistic Muslims in sha Allah, Baraka long fecal coliform income,

00:36:09 --> 00:36:13

was salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.

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