Abdal Hakim Murad – Winter Reading List 4

Abdal Hakim Murad
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The speaker discusses various spiritual and ecology books and teachings from popular spiritual teachings, including the history of the Jewish population and their cultural origins. They also mention the "will" of the Jewish people to achieve the peace and security they deserve, as well as the "will" of the Jewish people to achieve the peace and security they deserve. The segment also touches on the origins of the Bible and its implications for political beliefs, including the use of language and national pride, and the depopulation of values and political goals leading to a depopulation of values and political goals.

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			Smilla hamdu lillah wa salatu
salam ala Rasulillah. Early he was
		
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			off be woman well.
		
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			So, once again, we have the
opportunity to share thoughts
		
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			about some of the things that I've
been reading recently. This is our
		
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			winter reading lists that perhaps
will enable us to wile away those
		
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			long hours in these dark winter
evenings. And it's our custom to
		
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			look at five books,
		
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			which hopefully will enable us not
just to learn more about our
		
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			heritage in the world, but will
enable us to inhabit the modern
		
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			reality in a more informed way. So
my first pick this year, is a book
		
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			by the American Jewish author,
Daniel Boyarin,
		
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			which he calls the no state
solution, and his professor of
		
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			Jewish Studies, Talmudic culture
		
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			at the University of California,
at Berkeley, and one of the most
		
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			distinguished Jewish intellectuals
writing in the academic world,
		
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			nowadays. His book, carnal Israel
is a really interesting and
		
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			Islamically actually quite
suggestive account of the way in
		
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			which Jewish knowledge is always
embodied in forms of engagement
		
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			with the body with water with
ablution, circumcision and so
		
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			forth. But the book that I'm
looking at, which is his latest
		
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			book, is about the current
		
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			unfolding catastrophe in the
Middle East whose ripples are now
		
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			spreading far and wide, including
creating thick, most recently, the
		
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			largest ever demonstration in Cape
Town larger even then the anti
		
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			apartheid demonstrations 30 years
ago, a global crisis focused on
		
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			Jerusalem ultimately. So the no
stick solution, a Jewish
		
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			manifesto, by Daniel Boyer in
		
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			we always hear about the two state
solution, which is where the
		
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			forlornly the dream of the Foreign
Office and various dialog pundits.
		
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			But of course, it's clear that so
much land has been taken on the
		
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			west bank now, and Gaza is kind of
a pile of rubble, that the idea of
		
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			a Palestinian state is a kind of
pipe dream, frankly, in the
		
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			current scenario, Netanyahu has
said is against a two state
		
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			solution, one state solution maybe
		
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			I was talking once to a settler
rabbi in Jerusalem, who was saying
		
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			there'll be a one state solution,
everybody will be able to move and
		
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			live wherever they like in Greater
Israel, but the vote will be only
		
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			for Jews. So it'll be a democratic
state, but a Jewish state, and
		
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			Christians and Muslims will be
allowed to live and enjoy
		
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			citizens, right, but they won't be
able to vote. And that's how we'll
		
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			maintain our identity. Something
like that may well be a
		
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			possibility. But Boiron is
proposing this cheeky title, the
		
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			no state solution.
		
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			He begins with a kind of statement
of his own agonizing, as somebody
		
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			who spent his life with the Jewish
texts, Jewish communities, Jewish
		
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			tradition, a religious man, and
who really loves his, his identity
		
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			is at Al Kitab identity, but is
completely alienated by the
		
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			reality of Jewish nationalism in
the Middle East. So he loves the
		
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			people and the idea of the people
as a nation, but not the idea of
		
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			the people as a nation state. So
let me just read to you in his
		
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			explanation right at the
beginning, so you can see what
		
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			he's doing when he says no to a
national energy or enterprise for
		
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			the Jewish people. After literally
decades of obsessive thought about
		
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			the Jewish question. I seem to
have gotten myself into an aporia,
		
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			a dead end of thinking with no way
out. One way of describing this
		
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			and pass would be the two of my
most ardent political commitment
		
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			to full justice for Palestinians,
and to a vibrant creative Jewish
		
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			national culture seemed directly
to contradict each other. It would
		
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			seem as if the only way to fulfill
the latter dream is to support the
		
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			existence of the State of Israel.
But clearly the existence of the
		
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			State of Israel next to the first
dream impossible to fulfill. The
		
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			forms, moreover, that this Jewish
national culture takes in the
		
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			Jewish state have always been
problematical, inevitably. So I
		
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			would argue, given the premises of
such a state, even when pursued
		
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			with the best will, this best will
furthermore, turns more and more
		
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			sour almost by the day, it seems
almost inevitably so the nation
		
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			state is well on the way to being
a racist, fascist state. Given the
		
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			choice between justice and my
culture, my nation, I have no
		
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			choice but to choose justice, but
the loss would be insupportable.
		
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			So as explaining this trauma is
actually shared by very many
		
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			Jewish people that on the one
hand, they need to express their
		
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			fourth their fullness as a nation
with a law, but on the other hand,
		
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			they can't rest easy in their
homes when they know that their
		
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			homes have been
		
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			Taken from another ethnic group
and they have to find ways of
		
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			shutting out that ethical paradox.
So here he
		
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			in the book reflects on Jewish
authenticity is something that
		
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			following the destruction of the
temple has always existed and
		
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			flourished and as found its
identity in diaspora, as
		
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			minorities, that is where
Jewishness is most authentically
		
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			to be found. And that's the moral
paradox of existing as a
		
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			triumphant state while sitting on
the head of a captive population
		
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			is not Jewish, and cannot be
allowed to continue. So it's quite
		
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			a good read. There's plenty of
other books by anti Zionist Jews.
		
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			Of course, Shlomo sand is very
interesting with this, the
		
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			invention of the Jewish people is
a Tel Aviv historian, who's
		
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			written this very meticulous book,
they've tried to pull it apart,
		
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			but the reviews have generally
been favorable, even in the
		
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			Israeli press, where he says that
the Palestinians, by and large, as
		
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			far as we can tell, are the
descendants of the ancient
		
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			Israelites with lots of admixture
from everywhere. But the Jews who
		
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			returned following the suppose at
exile, the Romans expelled them,
		
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			he says, that never happened
		
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			from around the world, are largely
the descendants of converts. So
		
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			the Eastern European Jews, the
Arab Jews, local populations, that
		
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			then were religiously assimilated
into the Jewish people. So that's
		
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			a very interesting read. And he's
also very alienated by the whole
		
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			Zionist culture which diseases
inevitably given differential
		
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			birth rates in Israel slanting
towards more and more Zion
		
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			religious Ultra nationalist
electorates. So he's written a
		
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			book called Why I am no longer a
Jew, which raises interesting
		
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			questions about whether you can
stop being Jewish, but that's also
		
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			interesting. But Muslims who see
the current conflict as a kind of
		
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			zero, sum game between different
religions need to be aware of this
		
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			very vibrant Jewish minority
dissident opinion that is about
		
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			looking for an authentic Jewish
identity and diaspora. So Boiron,
		
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			definitely on my list, kind of
relatedly I've been reading a bit
		
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			about and this is my second pick
this year,
		
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			about the catastrophe, the
Holocaust, if you like of the
		
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			Native American populations, you
might have noticed that dozens of
		
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			churches have been burnt down in
America recently by Native
		
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			Americans, as an expression of
their outrage at the way in which
		
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			using Christian ideology, quite
often using biblical terminology.
		
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			The countries were were taken
apart, they were ethnically
		
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			cleansed, destroyed by alcohol
destroyed by venereal disease
		
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			destroyed by militant Christianity
and a series of, of massacres. And
		
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			actually, of all the American
races. The demography that's most
		
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			supportive of the Palestinians in
the US at the moment is actually
		
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			the Native Americans. So this is
one of the most kind of heart
		
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			rending books by Theodore Kroeber,
Ishee into worlds the best known
		
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			book by and about Native American
culture. And spirituality is of
		
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			course, Black Elk Speaks, which is
also really moving. And anything
		
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			about the Native American
Experience tends to be sobering
		
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			and depressing. But in the context
of Muslims living in America, who
		
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			need to know what is indigenous,
and the fitrah of their people who
		
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			are looking for instance of ways
of decorating mosques, and
		
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			identifying with not the settler
cultures, but with what is
		
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			indigenous, because that's what is
normally used as important to
		
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			understand these people. So this
is a book
		
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			about this guy issue. It's not
even his name, because in his
		
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			tribe, you could you could ever
pronounce your own name,
		
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			had to be named by somebody else.
And he was the last survivor of
		
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			his tribe. There were hundreds,
maybe South 1000s of them. Then
		
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			the white man came is from
California, from the rocky tribe.
		
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			And they were massacred, murdered,
poisoned with alcohol. And he was
		
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			the very last survivor, the last
speaker of his language. So he
		
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			wasn't even able to tell the
people who finally found him what
		
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			his name was, but he was kind of
adopted by the California and
		
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			academic establishment.
		
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			When he was finally found having
been alone, everybody else was
		
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			killed from his nation and brought
into civilization. And
		
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			he learned English and he became a
mine of information about what
		
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			California was like. And it's very
interesting because the usual
		
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			stereotypes of the Red Indian,
being shot down by John Wayne as
		
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			he kind of screams and hollers and
scalps the white man does the
		
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			usual kind of things that the
other will do. America's
		
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			Palestinians
		
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			is
		
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			what a kind of refined
		
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			To person who was, here's somebody
who, before the age of 50 had been
		
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			living a kind of Paleolithic
lifestyle. These are hunter
		
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			gatherers. They didn't even have
villages, they wandered up in the
		
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			hills of California.
		
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			And then the age of 50 is brought
in, they're given a suit. He sees
		
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			railway trains for the first time,
he sees skyscrapers. And what
		
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			they're amazed by is his extreme
courtesy. He's not the wild man,
		
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			kind of a Fred Flintstone Stone
Age man. He's extremely polite. So
		
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			they take him to dinner parties
and California. And he is
		
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			unfailingly courteous to the
women, he always looks down when
		
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			he's speaking to them, always
polite to them. The idea of the
		
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			savage even the noble savage is is
not present. His quite bewildered
		
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			by the obsessiveness that the
white man has for building high
		
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			for achieving things for subduing
the landscape, he doesn't see the
		
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			point of that at all. When you see
photographs of him you see the
		
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			kind of hieratic tribal dignity of
his face, next to these smirking
		
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			anthropologists who have the kind
of disturbed anxious Western
		
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			faiths, and the difference between
them was quite, quite amazing. So
		
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			just to read a little bit, this is
kind of the summary of who these
		
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			people were. It's quite a good
spiritual as well as an
		
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			ethnographic account. Because
these I call primordial peoples
		
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			were people who worship the Great
Spirit, who saw the divine in the
		
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			divine signs in nature, who were
very hygienic every morning at
		
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			dawn who get up to pray, but would
wash before he prayed
		
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			a Fitri human being so
		
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			the California Indian was, in
other words, a true provincial.
		
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			He was also an introvert,
reserved, contemplative and
		
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			philosophical. He lived at ease
with the supernatural and the
		
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			mystical, which were pervasive in
all aspects of life. He felt no
		
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			need to differentiate mystical
truths from directly evidential or
		
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			material truth, or the
supernatural from the natural one
		
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			was as manifest as the other
within his system of values and
		
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			perceptions and beliefs. The
promoter, the booster, the
		
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			aggressor, the ego as the
innovator, would have been looked
		
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			at a Scots. The ideal was the man
of restraint, dignity, rectitude,
		
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			he of the middle way, this is
often that Native American way of
		
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			saying what we would call a stood
out on the stocking balance in
		
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			Norway, sometimes called the Red
Road.
		
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			So
		
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			it's if you read it, it's
uncannily similar to some of the
		
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			most foundational aspects of
Quranic religion.
		
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			The idea of the elements the idea
of the Indicative unity of nature,
		
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			the idea of restraint, the idea
of, well, polygamy is the, but a
		
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			kind of strict separation of the
genders in terms of function. And
		
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			in terms of presence, they didn't
do free mixing very much, not not
		
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			no California, red people,
		
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			the idea of different times of day
being suitable for different forms
		
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			of worship, the idea of a lunar
calendar.
		
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			It is kind of North America's true
Sharia, if you like and when I was
		
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			last year in
		
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			Arizona, I was interested to find
that Muslim communities there have
		
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			a good relationship with the
Apaches who are on the
		
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			reservation. And of course, the
white man's tools, particularly
		
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			alcohol, are continuing to
		
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			oppress those people. A very great
tragedy. One thing that is really
		
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			it's haven't been able to do, of
course, is to poison the
		
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			Palestinians with alcohol because
they didn't drink. It's part of
		
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			the problem. One reason why the
reservations are Gaza sized,
		
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			rather than little American
reservations, you just can't
		
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			poison them with, or at least the
ties in with alcohol. So I found
		
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			this book very moving. It's not
too technical, anthropological,
		
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			but it's a very good portrait of
this guy who was treated in a
		
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			university as a kind of curiosity.
All this is an exhibit people have
		
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			come to the University Museum
enough to see the the red man. And
		
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			then after he died, even though he
had certain requests for how he
		
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			would be buried, they didn't
respect that, of course, and even
		
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			took his brain out and sent it to
the Smithsonian, in Washington to
		
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			be analyzed along with millions of
other Indian relics that they
		
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			have. Apparently, they lost his
brain for a while. But finally,
		
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			when they started to change in
their attitude to the red man, it
		
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			was sent back to a related tribe,
and it was buried in a secret
		
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			place so the white man can never
change his mind but a traumatic
		
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			story but also a reminder that the
fitrah is universal and human
		
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			beings, when they live in a
primordial way with nature,
		
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			respecting the seasons, the sun
and the moon, the presence of the
		
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			Great Spirit, become people have
to
		
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			Mendes, restraint and dignity and
not savages. Pick number three
		
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			this year is this books. It's a
very humble production love
		
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			secret, a journey to the Beyond no
author
		
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			which is unusual in these
egotistic times particularly not
		
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			academics are on the catwalk all
the time seeing my stuff.
		
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			But not for this lady. And it's
fairly clear that this is female,
		
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			spirituality.
		
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			It's that thing that we used to do
a lot as an ummah, which is what
		
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			used to be called shutter heart or
theater Pathik locutions, or
		
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			interest phrase that is to say,
inspired words that try to capture
		
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			the perfume of a particular moment
of lived experiential proximity to
		
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			the divine.
		
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			So the it's not poetry, but it's
as you can see set out so there is
		
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			not very much on each page. And
the anonymous author s
		
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			is using a spare but quite
evocative language in order to try
		
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			and document a spiritual state
which is clearly inspired by Rumi
		
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			and Sufi tradition.
		
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			I want to be taken into meditation
drawn into the depths. I don't
		
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			want to sit with the straight back
or force this relationship with
		
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			the beyond.
		
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			I want my eyes to close slowly,
because they need to because I'm
		
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			carried. I want this to be a
feminine experience of beauty or
		
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			soul. One day, I may be ready to
go completely. But for now, please
		
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			just continue to be patient and
kind.
		
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			I used to think this light was
mine. No, I see. It was never
		
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			anything to be owned, and never
something to keep. Simply a gift
		
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			you gave which I can offer back to
you with the sincerity of my heart
		
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			and the purity of my intentions.
		
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			I found the more I have taken, the
less I have.
		
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			I've been given time to take the
responsibility of this life
		
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			seriously. What more could I ask
for? I've been given space to
		
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			pray. I've been given a heart that
cries What more could I ask for?
		
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			I've been given sunrise after
sunrise. I've been given the black
		
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			of night. Really what more is
there to ask for? Now I will take
		
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			each step forward. Honestly,
respectfully, compassionately.
		
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			It is you who sees for my eyes and
loves for my heart. Birds sing. I
		
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			hear them for you.
		
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			I come to you in need, wanting
nothing and everything
		
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			simultaneously. My prayer is a
prayer of rest and of silence.
		
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			Knowing I can never be enough
except to the kindness of your
		
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			merci so many times you make it
possible for me to breathe again.
		
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			And so many times I forget to in
need and remember you in love.
		
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			So as you work through these
simple expressions of what is
		
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			traditionally called Mona jet,
like the Mona jet of Hydra,
		
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			Abdullah Ansari, and an author in
Al Eskandari, who has the hicken
		
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			but also his famous one object is
intimate conversations with the
		
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			divine. You get a sense
cumulatively as you read through
		
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			these meditations and these little
prayers of the particular
		
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			fragrance of the of the
		
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			writer's experience the Neff
heart, the exhalation of the
		
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			Divine and in our age where it's
known as become quite
		
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			externalized. People write too
much about God and their
		
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			experiences, but they will have a
million views on that absent
		
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			Sharia and politics. I think it's
important to get back to this
		
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			particular voice and to remember
that the essence of religion is
		
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			the personal experience of
proximity to el Caribe, the near.
		
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			Quite a nice gift as well, I would
say because it's the kind of basic
		
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			hardback but it's a nice looking
thing. So it's a kind of present
		
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			for people and weddings, aid,
presents and so forth. i i dish
		
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			them out whenever I can. So we
move on to my fourth pick for this
		
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			year. Jack miles. God in the Quran
		
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			is not a Muslim is a Episcopalian
American, who's written a book
		
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			called God, a biography which got
the Pulitzer Prize a few years
		
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			ago, he writes in the New York
Times, and it's kind of well known
		
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			voice on the interpretation of
religion. And he's written a book
		
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			about the god of the Quran, coming
to it as a ton of open minded,
		
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			open hearted, curious American of
the best sort, worried about the
		
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			growth of sort of Trumpian
Islamophobia in his country.
		
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			and looking at the Koran and its
portrayal of the Divine, with a
		
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			fresh objective and it's not an
academic book.
		
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			It's not packed with with
footnotes, but he's done a lot of
		
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			reading, reading in Islamic
literature as well as with Quran.
		
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			And his conclusions are very
interesting.
		
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			The American Evangelical kind of
		
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			warmongering stereotype is of
Islam as this religion of the
		
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			sword, not a religion of peace and
Christianity as being the religion
		
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			of Jesus meek and mild on the
other cheek and therefore better.
		
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			And his comparison actually, even
though he's not quite at ease with
		
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			it, and isn't quite sure where to
go with it theologically. He
		
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			leaves it really as a question is
that it's kind of the other way
		
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			around, which is not what he
expected when he began his quite
		
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			meticulous study of the Quran. So
he begins by talking about how the
		
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			Bible ends with the violence of
Jesus at the end of time. And the
		
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			violence of the language, which is
very important for American
		
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			evangelicals was used a lot in the
war on Iraq, when it was thought
		
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			that Iraq was Babylon, Babylon
will be overthrown. God would give
		
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			victory to Israel, the mosque
would be destroyed, the temple
		
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			would be rebuilt, there'll be lots
of trumpets sounding and Christ
		
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			would come again, which is a few
many millions of evangelicals in
		
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			America and in kind of prosperity,
gospel environments in places like
		
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			Africa, believe it, which is
		
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			Armageddon type, language, but
this idea of the violent Christ,
		
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			with his eyes of fire and feet of
brass, who comes to hurl the
		
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			unbelievers into eternal fire, I
saw an angel standing in the sun,
		
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			and he shouted aloud to all the
birds sort of flying high overhead
		
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			in the sky. Come here gather
together at God's great feast, you
		
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			will eat the flesh of kings, and
the flesh of great generals and
		
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			heroes, the flesh of horses and
their riders and of all kinds of
		
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			people's citizens and slaves,
small and great alike. And it's
		
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			important for Muslims who are
trying to understand American
		
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			violence that's often supported by
the, the evangelical right. And
		
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			American support for Israeli
maximalism that they're reading
		
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			all of the Bible, and particularly
this consternation of the Bible,
		
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			as many understand it, and it's
foretelling of the end times and
		
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			the violence that Christ will be
unleashing. So he begins by
		
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			talking about, well, this binary,
peaceful Jesus, and the war
		
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			mongering idea of the Sierra,
maybe it's not like that. So he
		
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			then goes and looks at the
specific stories, particularly of
		
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			the prophets as recounted in the
Bible, and goes through them one
		
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			by one, job and Jacob and casting
out of Ishmael, the fate of Hadar,
		
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			Joseph all of those stories,
Moses, and particularly looks at
		
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			what Bible specialists called the
text of terror, which is the
		
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			extreme acts of ethnic cleansing
and aberrant violence that are
		
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			endlessly attributed to the
prophets. And that adherence in
		
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			the Hebrew Bible, the head of the
sacred extermination.
		
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			God says to Moses, Write this down
in a book this is the biblical
		
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			book of Exodus, to commemorate it
and repeat it over to Joshua for I
		
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			shall blot out all memory of a
Malik under heaven. Now go and
		
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			crush a Malik put him under the
curse of destruction with all that
		
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			he possesses. Do not spare him but
kill man and woman, even suckling
		
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			oxen, sheep, camel and donkey. So
if God in the Bible is ordering
		
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			his prophet to massacre, not just
competence, but also the women and
		
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			the babies and even their animals,
this ban of extermination is kind
		
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			of regarded as
		
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			absolute. Now, can you imagine if
a verse like that would appeared
		
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			in the Quran, wipe out their
babies and kill their animals? Fox
		
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			News would be reciting it several
times a day. It'd be their
		
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			favorite Quranic quote, but it's
kind of biblical. And this is the
		
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			kind of text that Netanyahu has
been citing in order to give
		
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			religious explanation and context
for his campaign in in Gaza. So
		
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			what he does as he moves to the
Bible and looks at the Quranic
		
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			stories, is to conclude that all
of these horrifying things, modern
		
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			Christians find them kind of
horrifying. A lot of Jews find
		
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			them kind of not Jewish. They're
taken out from the
		
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			you don't get these massacres the
psalm that's that says, Blessed is
		
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			he who takes the babies of the of
the Babylonians and
		
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			Dasha is out their brains on a
rock that doesn't appear in the
		
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			Quran.
		
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			The story of
		
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			the dubious stories about the
prophets, so lots sleeping with
		
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			his daughters and Solomon
hankering after foreign deities,
		
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			and
		
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			all of the very dubious tales in
the story of Abraham, the binding
		
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			of his son in the bible. what he
sees as a rather nasty touch is
		
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			that Abraham doesn't tell his son
that he's about to kill him. It's
		
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			going to be a kind of paternal
surprise in the Quran. Of course,
		
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			the first thing that Abraham does
Alayhis Salam, when he sees the
		
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			dream is to go to his son and to
say this has happened. Funds
		
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			automatic, what do you think? He
consults with him, so he knows
		
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			exactly, and the son consents. So
miles his view is that the Quran
		
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			consistently emphasizes these
chaotic stories about the biblical
		
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			god and actually ends up
		
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			giving us a greatly improved view
of Jewish history that it becomes
		
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			ethical. It's the opposite of anti
semitic because it's taking out
		
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			and reforming and saying, These
stories are not true. Your
		
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			Prophets your story is actually
really ethical and really
		
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			beautiful. So he ends there was
some interesting
		
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			reflections what, what, what to do
with it. So he says things like
		
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			this is quite smart. I recognize a
brilliant symmetry in how Islam
		
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			combined Judaism's criticism of
Christianity with Christianity's
		
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			criticism of Judaism.
		
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			Christianity insisted against
Jewish tradition, on
		
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			universalizing God's covenant with
Israel to include in potential all
		
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			of mankind, dissolving Israel's
privileged in the process. Islam
		
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			accepted this critique, the Muslim
ummah, is as universal in
		
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			aspiration as the Christian
church. Judaism insisted against
		
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			emergent Christianity, that is,
God alone was divine, there could
		
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			be no two powers in heaven. Jesus
was not the Lord. Only the Lord
		
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			hath Oddish Barrow, who was the
Lord, Islam accepted this
		
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			critique. There is no room in its
theology for a divine Christ, or
		
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			any other power associated with
the one and only God.
		
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			For image by a kind of radical
simplification, Islam took was
		
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			most precious and most defining it
at the same time, eliminated from
		
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			each what was most problematic.
From Christianity, it stripped off
		
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			the doctrine that had produced by
the time of Mohammed, endless
		
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			controversy and multiplying
sectarian division. Well, from
		
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			Judaism, or from the Jews as a
people, it stripped off the sense
		
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			of privilege as the one and only
chosen people of the one and only
		
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			God.
		
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			So by the time he's got through
all of the stories, and done this
		
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			work is kind of really
transformed, that the Quran
		
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			represents exactly the solution to
these ethical difficulties and
		
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			these theological problematics and
kind of gets the best as he sees
		
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			it of the two religions and
creates a new religion with it,
		
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			that emphasizes the whole story of
monotheism. So I can recommend
		
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			this God in the Quran by Jack
miles, wholeheartedly, I think, as
		
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			a good refutation of Bible bashes,
who say that Islam is violent.
		
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			They need to get to have their
noses rubbed on the pages of the
		
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			Old and the New Testament and
asked to read this, to see what
		
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			the comparison really looks like
when a kind of open hearted
		
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			American Christian is prepared
honestly to do to do the work. So
		
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			my final book this year, political
again, it's been a very political,
		
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			disruptive. 12 months. John Gray
who is professor just retired, I
		
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			think, London School of Economics
is a philosopher, the new
		
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			leviathans, thoughts after
liberalism.
		
00:29:03 --> 00:29:07
			Everybody left and right,
spectator readers, New Statesman
		
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			readers.
		
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			Take a deep breath. What do you
mean, after liberalism? Aren't
		
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			things getting more liberal, more
work more tolerant, more
		
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			inclusive, more diverse? What does
he mean after liberalism? Are we
		
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			sliding back into Nazism or some
kind of divine right of kings
		
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			world? Well, he's looking first of
all, at the philosopher Hobbes,
		
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			Thomas Hobbes, author of The
Leviathan, the perpetual whipping
		
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			boy for many historians, and
philosophers and political
		
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			scientists, but the opposite view
is that in the state of nature,
		
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			man is a wolf to man, and that we
need the state the Leviathan in
		
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			order to restrain things from
collapsing. It's the Islamic idea
		
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			of the wears out, there must be a
religio, cultural, political
		
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			entity that stop for the weak
being devoured by by the strong
		
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			I'm Hobbes quite an Islamic
thinker in many ways. So gray is
		
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			thinking it's not not a Christian
is not religious. Following the
		
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			decline of the Christian order or
the theistic order, generally in
		
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			the West, which underpins values,
we have this slide towards massive
		
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			inequality, towards
		
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			more authoritarianism, in many
parts of the world, that the 1989
		
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			to 1991 euphoria, the kind of
Fukuyama, end of history, bliss,
		
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			at last history has reached its
consummation, and it's over,
		
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			because the Soviet Empire has
fallen. And the future is with
		
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			democracy, human rights, liberal
capitalism, etc. The final
		
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			solution, Darwin has been proved
right in the Human Sphere, has
		
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			been disproved by the fact that
history is certainly back with us.
		
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			We have a major war in Europe,
once again, we have a multipolar
		
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			world in a way that we haven't
seen really since the 19th
		
00:31:00 --> 00:31:05
			century, America diminishing,
defeated even in Afghanistan.
		
00:31:06 --> 00:31:10
			We have the rise of China, we have
the rise of India, we have the
		
00:31:10 --> 00:31:15
			rise of Russia, which is generally
fielding sanctions, pretty well
		
00:31:15 --> 00:31:19
			look set to when its current war
with NATO, which is essentially
		
00:31:19 --> 00:31:23
			what it is NATO doing everything
in Ukraine except pulling the
		
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			trigger.
		
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			And in this very unstable world,
liberalism is very much on the
		
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			defensive, even in the western
world itself. So he points to the
		
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			new authoritarianism, particularly
in campuses and those who work in
		
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			a Western University know how
strict the speech codes are, what
		
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			you can say about Israel, what you
can say about sexualities, what
		
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			you can say about the list of
issues on which there is quite
		
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			rigorous censorship continues to
grow in the name of a certain type
		
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			of work, orthodoxy, so he says
this, for instance, in schools and
		
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			universities, education inculcates
conformity with the ruling
		
00:32:02 --> 00:32:06
			progressive ideology. The arts are
judged by whether they serve
		
00:32:06 --> 00:32:10
			approved political goals.
Dissidents from orthodoxies on
		
00:32:10 --> 00:32:14
			race, gender, and Empire, find
their careers terminated in their
		
00:32:14 --> 00:32:18
			public lives erased. This
repression is not the work of
		
00:32:18 --> 00:32:22
			governments, the ruling catechisms
are formulated and enforced by
		
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			civil society. Libraries,
galleries and museums exclude
		
00:32:26 --> 00:32:30
			viewpoints that are condemned as
reactionary powers of censorship
		
00:32:30 --> 00:32:35
			or exercised by big high tech
corporations. illiberal
		
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			institutions are policing society
and themselves.
		
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			A global pandemic, accelerating
climate change, and war in Europe
		
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			have hastened these
transformations. But they began as
		
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			many historical reversals do, with
the apparent triumph of an
		
00:32:49 --> 00:32:53
			opposite trend greeted in the West
as an augury that liberal values
		
00:32:53 --> 00:32:57
			was spreading worldwide, the
Soviet collapse was the beginning
		
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			of the end for liberalism, as it
had previously been understood.
		
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			So he doesn't really talk much
about the Islamic dimensions of
		
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			this, but it is important, given
the kind of preachy nature, so
		
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			much Western discourse about other
cultures and about Muslims and
		
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			Muslim migrants and why wouldn't
they be like us and World Bank
		
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			loans to countries in the Muslim
world that are conditional on
		
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			progress on women's rights and
alternative sexualities and the
		
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			fuss that they made during Qatar,
that the Qatar is we're not going
		
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			to change their laws and their
values and their structure of the
		
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			family, in order to please Western
work. Orthodoxy is the idea of the
		
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			West as
		
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			the exporter of a kind of coercive
liberalism, which is actually the
		
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			opposite of traditional liberalism
as, as understood so the regrowth
		
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			of empire, the regrowth of a
multipolar world, and the collapse
		
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			of the dream that the West has
triumphed, something that Muslims
		
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			as they're searching for their own
place in an increasingly
		
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			multipolar world need to reflect
on that we're in a very strange
		
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			transitional time in which Western
triumphalism really, as great
		
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			amply documents no longer works
with the collapse of the religious
		
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			basis for Western civilization.
New orthodoxies are being imposed.
		
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			And the future direction of the
West is unclear demography as
		
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			well. Of course, the birth rate
across the industrialized world is
		
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			collapsing. And there's no sign
that that will that will be
		
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			reversed. So immigration,
		
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			demographic transformations.
		
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			All of this is going to make the
future look
		
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			unstable, certainly. But it's not
the West as the end of the summit
		
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			and the conservation of history,
the way that Fukuyama and
		
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			Huntington and many other sort of
evangelicals, for Westerners were
		
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			thinking 30 years ago, so quite a
useful reflection coming from us.
		
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			secular perspective on the sort of
spangled Aryan thesis of the
		
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			decline of the West that now
unquestionably seems to be
		
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			happening. So that's the end of my
reflections on what I have been
		
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			reading in recent times. And I
think all of these things from
		
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			their very disparate perspectives
are going to be useful to us. And
		
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			insha Allah will always remember
that empires come and go
		
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			ideologies come and go peoples
come and go Zion isms come and go
		
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			nationalisms come and go, Islam
remains.
		
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			General Huck, was I have called
Battle in about Allah kanessa
		
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			hookah falsehood is just a kind of
froth and it passes away. And what
		
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			is the only thing that certain
about the future is that Islam
		
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			will continue to be there, and its
basic forms will continue to be
		
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			maintained. 100 Allah, Allahu
hollyburn Allah Emery inshallah
		
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			we'll be enjoying the rest of the
winter and May Allah bring us
		
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			safely to Ramadan, as wiser
humbler, more reflective, more
		
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			optimistic Muslims in sha Allah,
Baraka long fecal coliform income,
		
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			was salam aleikum wa rahmatullah
wa barakato.