Abdal Hakim Murad – Hussain Ahmed Madani Paradigms of Leadership

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The importance of Islam in society is discussed, including the need for men to attend events and the use of the Sharia as a means of political control and reform. The Sharia is viewed as a means of political control and reform, and enrolling in the Sharia is seen as a means of political control and reform. The history and character of India are also discussed, including the use of the Sharia as a means of political control and reform.

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			Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa Salatu
was Salam ala Rasulillah early he
		
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			was off the heat on NY Allah.
		
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			So we're back now the academic
year has begun again. And we've
		
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			decided to resume as our topic for
these occasional Saturday morning
		
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			encounters. The bio data focused
approach that seemed to go down
		
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			quite well last time as as an age
perhaps of celebrities,
		
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			personalities, it's easy to relate
to ideas when incarnated in human
		
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			beings. So rather than giving you
anything too abstract and
		
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			conceptual, I thought I'd indicate
what is after all, the Islamic
		
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			principle of more armella that
ideas, concepts, values,
		
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			principles make sense and are most
humanly osmotic when represented
		
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			to us in other human beings. So
		
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			we're going to begin by rewinding
		
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			to one of the lectures which we
gave in the previous academic
		
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			year, you'll recall the topic was
the subject of hazard news on the
		
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			Dean Alia, the great patron saint
of the city of Delhi. Not because
		
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			I want to retell that story, but
just to try and help us to
		
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			consider
		
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			how things have changed, internal
things have not changed. It was
		
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			the 14th century by 1325 and
became really the great unleashing
		
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			of the primary energies of War
ended in Srishti subsequently and
		
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			need the Taraka a mass movement
and engine of Islamization and
		
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			conversion. You'll recall that at
the age of 23, he became the
		
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			Khalifa of Barbra, Fareed,
		
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			and who was separated by only one
name bhakti Aukey, for more energy
		
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			interesting, choose to admire
himself so very high centered and
		
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			becomes this incredible powerhouse
of its normalization. And he is
		
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			generally regarded as the founder
of the new zombie branch of the
		
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			church, dear.
		
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			But there's another one which in
so many British mosques is better
		
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			known, which is the Salisbury
branch.
		
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			If you look at those picturesque
posters in the Bellevue mosques,
		
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			in particular, for the next build
age, Sharif, or some off, you'll
		
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			see that it's the savaria who tend
to prevail with a particular
		
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			presence in Kashmir, we are poor
and those places
		
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			and the salaries come from another
branch from Bebi. Very Molana.
		
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			Allah Adams saw there. So they're
not actually his name, but a
		
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			eponym just means patient person
with Sabra because of various
		
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			feats of endurance and zeal hood
that he represented during his
		
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			lifetime. And his mother was
actually Barbra Fareed, elder
		
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			sister, lady by the name of
Jamila. So there's a genealogy
		
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			there. And his famous as an
example of his suburb, is to tell
		
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			you the story today, that even
though he was entrusted by about
		
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			the Fareed to look after the lung
out of the place where everybody
		
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			would be fed, and the poor would
be accommodated at the Durga he
		
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			was in charge of for 11 years, but
thought it was not appropriate
		
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			that he should eat from this food
himself because it was food for
		
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			the sadhaka. And so after serving
everybody usual seen of enormous
		
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			Cauldrons of rice and ghee, and
		
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			he would, after cleaning up he
would go off into the nearby sort
		
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			of forest and Wilderness Area
Middle Ages, so much of India was
		
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			uncultivated and find some roots
and berries on which he nourished
		
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			himself for 11 years. It's an
example of the principle of water
		
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			of scrupulousness Does the Allah
mat tend to maintain in not eating
		
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			from the income of our calf and
that which is destined for the
		
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			poor. So, this is the principle of
the Tuscia Siberia and it
		
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			continues to be a principle to
this day. So we now fast forward
		
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			to see how this study engages with
the new environment of colonial
		
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			India.
		
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			The end of the Delhi school tons
and decline of the moguls the
		
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			first Indian War of Independence
and so called mutiny 1857 And the
		
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			very hard questions posed to the
Allah mat and the Sufis across the
		
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			course of the 19th century.
Regarding the relationship to this
		
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			new non Muslim polity will
		
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			With its unheralded military and
infrastructural progress, how
		
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			could these ancient saintly
traditions, these ways of
		
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			holiness, actually fit in what was
nominally a Christian but in
		
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			practice the materialistic,
pragmatic, Imperial colonial
		
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			reality, how could this faceoff
actually develop? So we fast
		
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			forward
		
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			to Sahara and poor, central India.
		
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			1814 is the birth of somebody
called in there to learn more Hi
		
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			John Mackey is kind of named to be
conjured with and they abandon
		
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			proto Deobandi circles to this
day, who represents a Latter Day
		
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			instantiation of this Chishti
Saberi principle, including lives
		
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			in the forest for six months just
for his a bad and exhausted and
		
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			then conceives a great longing for
the city of Medina, and finds his
		
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			way on a pilgrim ship. The ironies
of British rule is that it's
		
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			actually easier to be connected to
the Haramain now than it used to
		
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			be.
		
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			And then in the first Indian War
of Independence, 1857, he leads an
		
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			army against the British and is
briefly victorious, and then finds
		
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			himself persecuted and exiled to
the hijas. And lots of stories are
		
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			told about him and his his or her
very representative of this
		
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			tradition. For instance, he
maintains the colonists tradition
		
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			of marrying people who are in
need, rather than our current
		
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			sort of checklist approach, or she
has to have this kind of
		
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			complexion and she has to have a
PhD and she has to be blah, blah,
		
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			blah, otherwise, our ego is not
satisfied. It's a customer of the
		
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			all on that. And you find this
even hijacker in some of the
		
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			medieval Middle Eastern Allamah,
as well to look for people who are
		
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			needy. So his wife is a blind
widow, and he cares for her. And
		
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			this becomes one of the traditions
of the target class. So he dies at
		
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			the end of the 19th century
selling the Ottoman period and is
		
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			buried at them wonder which is the
big cemetery in Makkah, generally
		
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			the subcontinent you find quite
often people call themselves Nucky
		
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			or Madani, they like titles, this
doesn't really necessarily mean
		
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			that they spent a lot of their
lives in those places. It's more
		
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			an indication of what they would
call an SDR In other words, a
		
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			particular spiritual connection,
you have a great longing, a
		
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			particular sense that you need to
be in Mecca or Medina and
		
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			therefore that spiritual
allegiance that affinity is what
		
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			is generally alluded to by these
		
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			by these moniker so he works right
to say yeah tafseer the cleaner or
		
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			and, but mostly, * Abdullah is
famous for producing an outpouring
		
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			of amazing Persian poetry and
commentaries on the great Persian
		
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			Sufi poets. Yes, one of the great
commentaries on the Masnavi of
		
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			Maulana Rumi, for instance. So
somebody who is already a
		
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			completely traditional Persian
eats at continental Arlin. But
		
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			he's having to deal with the
British and is writing steamers to
		
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			the Haramain that is straddling
the two worlds. And in many ways
		
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			that East West dichotomy was more
intense for people in the 19th
		
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			century than it is for us today,
because we're already so
		
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			westernized. Look at the way we're
dressing, we eat pizza and we're
		
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			already kind of hybrid creatures.
But back then, it was a much more
		
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			intense and absolute thing and was
experienced as such, not just by
		
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			the Indians, but the by the
British as well. It was two worlds
		
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			and how you inhabit or cohabit
with two worlds was one of the big
		
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			questions for the island, really
across the OMA.
		
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			One of his leading disciples was
at manana Rashid can go here
		
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			again, favorite for the nostalgics
of the Deobandi tradition. Also
		
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			from Sahar and poor and along with
somebody called no Nana Kasim, no
		
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			note we they are both mureeds of
hygiene dental Lhasa from this
		
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			Chishti Sabri tariqa and together
they are generally regarded as the
		
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			co authors of Darren or non dual
band.
		
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			So Gungor he becomes the first
director and also the sister
		
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			college those are headed on on in
Saharanpur, which is kind of from
		
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			the same period and has the same
orientation.
		
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			And he dies a little bit later in
1905 and remains in India. So
		
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			Deobandi, obviously one of the
major transformations in the
		
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			intellectual infrastructure of the
subcontinent in the 19th century.
		
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			And what's really going on there
is that they see the inevitability
		
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			of British power. They have
decided not to leave to go to
		
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			those few Muslim places that are
still
		
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			Independent Afghanistan, the
Ottoman Empire, wherever they're
		
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			going to try and hang on in order
to reform the Muslims. Later on
		
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			the Tablighi Jamaat movement comes
out of the same kind of circle and
		
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			mentality.
		
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			But
		
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			to create networks of scholars in
a more formal way than had been
		
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			normal beforehand, most of Islamic
history madalas is a kind of
		
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			founded by some local Bay or
prince, and he brings somebody to
		
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			teach there, or the scholar founds
it and gets an endowment is very
		
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			local. It's not really networked
with anything or anyone else with
		
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			a few exceptions. But in the 19th
century world where India is kind
		
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			of being united by railways,
telegraph post offices and things,
		
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			these Deobandi scholars decided
they're going to create a center,
		
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			which will then create substantive
one of the subcontinent with a
		
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			view to stiffening the fiber of
the Muslims so that they retain
		
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			loyal to their traditions in the
face of the difficulties of living
		
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			under British rule. So, that takes
us up to the 19th century, but the
		
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			individual I want to speak about
mostly today
		
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			is that disciple and somebody of
whom some people today in India
		
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			still have a living memory and
this is Maulana Hussain athma.
		
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			Madani
		
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			who in many ways, was the one who
kind of kept his hand on the
		
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			tiller of deal bandits and other
institutions in India in the
		
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			mayhem after
		
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			partition.
		
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			So his was had you ended up a lot
of the earlier ones were dealing
		
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			with the fact of the British
coming to India in the mid 20th
		
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			century, the Allamah having to
deal with the fact of the British
		
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			leaving India and Hindu *
in the context of a new nation,
		
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			state democracy, Hindu chauvinism
and all of those other challenges.
		
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			So, again, a major transformation
and a test of their claim that in
		
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			their man hedge of teaching and
understanding of FIPS 100 view
		
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			folks to read the doctrine this
Chishti sencilla there is an
		
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			optimal way of being that will
adequately guide the Muslims
		
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			morally and politically through
these
		
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			transformations which, obviously,
somebody like Barbra, fried and
		
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			Moinuddin Chishti did not have to
		
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			confront. So Maulana Madani born
1877 This is after the mutiny is
		
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			when the Roger is really in its
full,
		
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			full power and Grandia
		
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			is firmly up poor, but they have a
memory of having seen service
		
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			civil servants under the Mughals
and then under the Nawabs of old
		
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			which is one of the earlier
princely states, one that was
		
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			displaced by the British. After
the 1857
		
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			revolt, the British decided to
cement their power by introducing
		
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			something more resembling really a
feudal system creating large
		
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			landowners Zamin Doris Talaq DARS
and dispossessing the smaller
		
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			landowners and owners of
individual plots and they would
		
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			give these larger states to
people,
		
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			native people who they are
regarded as being loyal pro
		
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			British sympathizers.
		
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			So
		
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			the father of Mallanna Hussein's
called manana Habibollah,
		
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			has connection to del band and is
also really mainly known as a kind
		
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			of Sufi Pierre, as a healer, the
functions of the traditional Sufi
		
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			masjid or chef used to heal
people. And in the subcontinent,
		
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			they have indigenous traditions of
medicine, not just prophetic
		
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			medicine, but your nanny medicine
and so forth. And he was famous
		
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			for this. And in particularly, he
was known as somebody who would
		
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			vicariously heal.
		
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			In other words, you went to him
with a bad shoulder. And somehow
		
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			the bad shoulder would be
transmuted into the shoulder of
		
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			Mowlana Habibollah. And you'd feel
fine. And he'd then have to deal
		
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			with it in his own self with
exercises and so forth, and they
		
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			will be infectious diseases as
well as physical, physiological
		
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			ailments. So he's from that really
very medieval world.
		
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			In the city of Faizabad, which is
the old capital of the nerves of
		
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			old which is right across the
river from Ayodhya, of course
		
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			which is a flashpoint then it was
a mainly Muslim town. The 1992
		
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			demolition of the Babri Masjid
there in many ways triggered the
		
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			visible militancy of Hindu
chauvinism in India. Very diverse
		
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			place.
		
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			Big Hindu festivals all the time.
		
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			Lots of
		
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			She communities in that part of
India with a IMAMBARA is
		
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			everywhere and muharram Ricci also
a very kind of pluralistic place
		
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			with a slight Muslim majority, but
basically it's cosmopolitan, India
		
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			with everybody being neighbors to
everyone with often tensions as
		
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			well as conviviality. So Mallanna
Habibollah has five sons. And he
		
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			wants them all not to go to the
British schools or the missionary
		
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			schools or reforming schools, but
to have a traditional Deobandi
		
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			type education. Hussein was the
one who liked to play most. So his
		
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			father actually sent him away to
Dale Benz to board there to become
		
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			a Maulvi.
		
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			And in those days in Delve, and it
was normal for the students to
		
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			stay in the houses of the
scholars. They didn't really have
		
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			a dormitory system at that time.
So there was a strong kind of
		
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			father son relationship that
developed between
		
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			teachers and students.
		
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			The particular ideology of the
deobandis then really is just the
		
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			classical mainstream Sunni Islam.
It has nothing to do with reformed
		
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			Islam as such.
		
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			We nowadays tend to think of the
sort of besetting ill of the
		
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			subcontinent and of many British
mosques as being the Bravia
		
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			Deobandi dispute so somebody
builds a Deobandi mosque. And then
		
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			five years later, there's sure to
be a real V mosque that is
		
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			slightly bigger on the same
street, and then it's kind of
		
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			crazy stupidity.
		
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			And they say, Oh, the Braille
business who fears in the
		
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			deobandis, that kind of
puritanical, but there have been
		
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			some evolutions and like some
deobandis, reactive relations with
		
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			Al Hadith in India. But in this
19th century period, and the
		
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			period when Jose Madani is made,
becomes the rector, principal of
		
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			Lawndale band after partition,
that
		
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			the
		
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			dispute is not really are you a
Sufi? I'm not a Sufi, because
		
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			everybody's a Sufi apart from
small groups of Hadith who have no
		
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			clout at all. But it's really to
do with certain issues of
		
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			this state of people in the grave.
And relatedly, how you commemorate
		
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			the knowledge. Now, if you talk to
the classically oriented scholars
		
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			in those parts of the Islamic
world, I say, well, everybody
		
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			knows that these are matters that
cannot be decisively known. And
		
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			therefore this in this, I remember
when I was a student in Cairo at
		
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			the Alzheimer, we had the first
British dental along graduates
		
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			turned up.
		
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			And the Indian students were
amazed by them, because Indian
		
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			students were wearing jeans at the
Alzheimer. And the British Muslim
		
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			students are in the kind of
traditional pajama thing.
		
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			very counter intuitive. And then
the Brave is without and would
		
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			they pray together and this and
that, and so we went to some of
		
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			the Azeri Allah, and they hammered
out the issues of between the
		
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			religious Messiah in Philadelphia,
there is a there is a permissible
		
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			points of dispute because when it
comes to how conscious somebody is
		
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			in the Barossa, whether they can
hear you whether they can pray for
		
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			you. issues, which are not
decisively resolved in Quran and
		
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			Hadith and the automat have taken
different views. And it's like,
		
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			that's like a dream world. And
it's difficult for us in this
		
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			world really to conceptualize it
so. So in the end, neither the
		
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			deobandis nor the railbus were
happy with us sorry, scholars
		
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			recommendation, I guess they
wanted something a bit more
		
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			polarizing. But this in the 19th
century, this became a very big
		
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			disputation or matter and even
affected some of the politics and
		
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			the boundary drawing of politician
but the thing to bear in mind is
		
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			that they take themselves to be
simply the inheritors of a Sufi
		
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			tradition and that Srishti Sunbury
traditions is in many ways got an
		
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			ecstatic devotional tradition.
		
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			The Knox Mondays tend to be
historically a bit more
		
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			sober, but in any case,
		
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			individuals impose their own stamp
on these as much as tradition. So
		
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			he's been sent by monana. Habib, a
lot to study in Del band.
		
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			So
		
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			let me just see if we can find a
reminiscence here rather than just
		
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			having my voice for the next
		
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			One of the advantages about
studying was enough med is that
		
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			he's, he writes lots of kind of
autobiographical test type works
		
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			about his experience in different
places. So we can reconstruct his
		
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			early life quite, quite
		
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			easily here. He says later on, I
never had much enthusiasm for
		
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			study and would not study
thoroughly or do much to review my
		
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			books. As far as the beginning
books on which there was only an
		
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			oral exam I did well, but not so
well. In the later written ones. I
		
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			failed three of six in the first
year. The night before the exam, I
		
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			would study the whole book and
sleep only an hour or less. To
		
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			stay awake, I would prepare salty
tea and whenever I felt sleepy,
		
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			drink the tea and thus keep off
the sleepiness for an hour or two.
		
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			I always needed much sleep, and I
especially feel sleepy when
		
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			reading. After I failed my exams
for the first time, Alhamdulillah
		
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			I did not fail again. And within
my class, I often attained good
		
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			marks that are long Dobyns exams
from the beginning of May
		
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			difficult, whether oral or
written. When a student of the law
		
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			entered government institutions,
or did exams after competing
		
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			English classes, they will always
the most distinguished. Although I
		
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			was always unenthusiastic and
shrank from any kind of work and
		
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			sacrifice, thank Allah gradually,
both my intellectual inclination
		
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			and balance of character grew, the
very beginning my interest was in
		
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			logic and philosophy, and
literature, and Hadith. So you get
		
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			a sense that he kind of seems to
be an ordinary type of student and
		
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			nobody could have guessed at that
point that it ended up being the
		
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			head of the general at all in my
hand, and one of the most prolific
		
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			authors as well as campaigners for
Indian independence. Later on is
		
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			just an ordinary boy from a small
town.
		
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			So, in the midst of this,
		
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			he gets a message from his father,
who is experienced what they call
		
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			an jetboat. In other words, an
inner, overwhelming yearning to go
		
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			and live in one of the holy
cities, he wants to go and live in
		
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			Medina. So the whole family
		
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			to move and he ends his studies in
Del band. And before he leaves he
		
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			takes a formal br with Maulana
Rashid can go here who saw was the
		
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			great disciple of * him dead
lot. So he's got his bat. But as
		
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			an alum, he's still not half is
still on the way. So in 1898, the
		
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			whole family move and one of the
advantages of going to the
		
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			hedgerows is the * Abdullah,
who led the army in the mutiny is
		
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			still in Makkah, and they're able
to sit at his feet is really old,
		
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			but that's an opportunity for them
to engage.
		
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			They get to NACA, and then they
head for Medina, which in those
		
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			days is like a two week journey.
Now that there's a high speed
		
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			train, which is a bit of a strange
thing to build for pilgrims when
		
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			you think about it, so the old
thing was to sit on your camel or
		
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			your mule and you would study you
would talk to people who look at
		
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			the you'd be prepared spiritually,
leaving your worldly things and to
		
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			enter the holy city was a form of
respect for the
		
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			Shah, but now as a high speed
train, dude, miles and I got to
		
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			funny. So, four days out from
Makkah, he has a dream, in which
		
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			he says the Holy Prophet alayhi
salat wa salam, ALA, this is
		
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			always true dream, right, your
sadaqa so he sees the Holy Prophet
		
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			and he falls at his feet and asks
him
		
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			to pray for him to be a better
student, so that he will remember
		
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			what he learns and understand
everything that he reads and this
		
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			is granted he was about 21 at the
time. In the Dena, things for the
		
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			Indian family are hard.
		
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			They start by opening a little
shop, but it doesn't work too well
		
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			close. It's after about a year so
that Jose Madani has to find work,
		
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			just doing a bit of tutoring or
working as a copyist writing up
		
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			people's marriage certificates and
things like that. And they
		
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			actually build their own house
with sort of lumps of rock and and
		
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			rammed clay so they're living in
considerable indigence. But
		
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			in Medina, Madonia is
		
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			1900 He gets a letter from India
Malena Rashid can go He is
		
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			inviting him, says missing him and
wants him to visit.
		
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			Not so easy. The journey back
then,
		
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			even though is there's always been
a connection between India and
		
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			Arabia because you know, they're
not so far. You take a boat from
		
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			Bombay and then
		
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			have hidden and up the Red Sea.
But still, if you have to work
		
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			your passage, it can take weeks
and weeks.
		
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			So he comes to
		
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			Delhi.
		
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			And then they'll band and then he
goes to see his teacher in this
		
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			town, Ganga Hall, which is about
25 miles and he walks. And it's a
		
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			famous walk in that he is said to
have been crying the whole way is
		
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			he feels bad about meeting his
teacher, and having to say I just
		
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			found work as a copyist and
selling little books and Medina
		
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			and still not a half is and I'm
still not following your
		
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			instructions.
		
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			But when he gets to the Durga, and
spend some time there Molana
		
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			Rasheed whines his own turban
around his head, which is on the
		
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			stake of neotraditional sign of
investiture and permission.
		
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			And then he visits various Mazhar
as he goes to famous Chishti
		
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			massage. And then, having spent
several months in India, goes back
		
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			to Medina. So this is obviously
why Montana has invited him
		
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			because he recognizes that he has
to be a successor, which seems
		
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			strange is only a kid really, in a
culture that validates agent and
		
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			dignity But the surprising thing
has happened. So in Medina, he
		
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			goes back and immediately starts
to have dreams. And he actually
		
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			writes down and describe some of
these as 18 Dirty records. And
		
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			very often he would see see dreams
in which the Holy Prophet alayhi
		
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			salatu salam, or Ibrahim or Mao
Nana, Rashid or * him that
		
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			Allah would give him something to
eat dates or milk or something
		
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			sustaining.
		
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			Now in those days, Mecca and
Medina were not what they are now,
		
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			in that they were full of little
madrasahs and libraries. I read a
		
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			article, which listed the 30
libraries that used to exist in
		
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			Medina until the mid 20th century.
It was the case in the Ottoman
		
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			Empire in particular for statesman
to go to Medina as a kind of
		
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			retirement place. In England, you
retire to the Bahamas or Margate
		
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			or something but the Ottomans,
Medina, of course, in the hope of
		
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			being buried that and very often
these moneyed caches would do
		
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			something positive, like endow a
library or a house for the hedges
		
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			or a little hospital. So there was
quite an elaborate infrastructure
		
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			though.
		
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			So it's a good place for students
and always has been. And one of
		
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			the reasons why the Haramain have
been particularly critical in
		
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			intellectual exchange in Islam is
that if you can imagine before jet
		
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			aircraft or trains or steamships,
the Hajj, which was your
		
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			obligation, had to be very
carefully thought out, because to
		
00:28:03 --> 00:28:07
			get there from West Africa or
Indonesia or somewhere Condor,
		
00:28:07 --> 00:28:10
			someone, you had to make sure that
you got there well in advance,
		
00:28:10 --> 00:28:12
			because if you missed our effort,
		
00:28:13 --> 00:28:18
			you have to wait until the next
year. There's no way of me if
		
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			you've missed Arafa, that's it. So
people will get there well in
		
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			advance. And as the months Drew,
particularly from Ramadan, to the
		
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			Hajj, the Haramain were like
university towns, and it would be
		
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			great all of that from everywhere.
Engaging, and also the small
		
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			amount that I says would be really
busy. And nowadays, what do they
		
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			do in the Movenpick in Medina, you
look out and there's the heroin,
		
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			but it's kind of interesting to
see people walking around, I
		
00:28:45 --> 00:28:51
			guess, but there's a great big TV,
and a picture by toulouse-lautrec
		
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			on the wall. And it's kind of
space out entertainment culture,
		
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			but back then it wasn't like that.
It was an opportunity really to
		
00:29:00 --> 00:29:03
			turn around and prove yourself to
be in circles of the character
		
00:29:03 --> 00:29:07
			visit the medulla says, To enjoy
the software of the show. It was
		
00:29:07 --> 00:29:11
			an amazing experience that was
really part of your, your visit to
		
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			the Haramain. And of course,
Jerusalem was fully integrated
		
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			into all of this. At the same
time, so his teaching and starts
		
00:29:21 --> 00:29:25
			to teach very hard he becomes a
teacher at something called the
		
00:29:25 --> 00:29:29
			mother a session CO which is one
of the big Ottoman founded
		
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			madrasahs in Medina and he's known
for teaching without notes because
		
00:29:35 --> 00:29:40
			he prepares at night from fajr
until Asia and then sometimes
		
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			afterwards and later in life. His
practice was to teach Buhari after
		
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			Asia. He was be at his most active
then it will be a three hour class
		
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			every night. So quite hard for the
younger students, but he was full
		
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			of energy for it. And he also
taught in the Haram
		
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			now
		
00:30:00 --> 00:30:03
			Raise, you don't see that because
the model now is for people to go
		
00:30:03 --> 00:30:08
			to Mecca, Medina to do that a bad
and to go to Burger King and to
		
00:30:08 --> 00:30:12
			buy a bottle of perfume and a
leaky bottle of zamzam. and off
		
00:30:12 --> 00:30:12
			you go.
		
00:30:14 --> 00:30:14
			But then
		
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			it wasn't just the libraries and
the Madras says, but the Haram
		
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			itself, not just that other
mothers isn't but haram itself.
		
00:30:23 --> 00:30:27
			Every column had a scholar sitting
and
		
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			talking, talking. Nobody was
controlling it, there was nobody
		
00:30:31 --> 00:30:35
			in charge of it. Anybody with an
ijazah because we started just
		
00:30:35 --> 00:30:38
			talking and you couldn't show that
some well known Arlynn had
		
00:30:38 --> 00:30:39
			authorized you.
		
00:30:40 --> 00:30:44
			Nobody would want to listen, it
was kind of self selecting
		
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			process. That was a truly amazing
place. And particularly in the
		
00:30:49 --> 00:30:53
			days before electricity, because
during the day, it's hot, people
		
00:30:53 --> 00:30:56
			have a long siesta. But at night,
when the
		
00:30:57 --> 00:31:02
			Toa she would come out and light
all of the olive oil lamps in the
		
00:31:02 --> 00:31:06
			Haram in Makkah. It was a truly
amazing magical spectacle and the
		
00:31:06 --> 00:31:10
			sound of Quran and people studying
everywhere, it was very reverent
		
00:31:10 --> 00:31:17
			and very intense and astonishing.
So he's part of of that and is a
		
00:31:17 --> 00:31:22
			teacher and is certainly respected
by this time is Arabic is really
		
00:31:22 --> 00:31:26
			amazing. And later on some of the
arguments in his
		
00:31:29 --> 00:31:34
			polemics about partition roof
relate to the fact that supposedly
		
00:31:34 --> 00:31:37
			he doesn't understand Arabic words
properly. A cabal accuses him of
		
00:31:37 --> 00:31:42
			this, that was Arabic was probably
a little bit questionable, but he
		
00:31:42 --> 00:31:46
			is a master of the Arabic
language. So in 1909,
		
00:31:48 --> 00:31:53
			he goes back to India, his wife
has died in Medina, antique
		
00:31:53 --> 00:31:54
			mirrors again,
		
00:31:56 --> 00:32:00
			spend some time in Del band, and
		
00:32:02 --> 00:32:05
			refreshes his knowledge of Hadith
under somebody called Maulana
		
00:32:05 --> 00:32:10
			Muhammad Al Hassan is the great
Hadith scholar in dual band at the
		
00:32:10 --> 00:32:10
			time.
		
00:32:13 --> 00:32:15
			Maulana Muhammad, Al Hassan,
		
00:32:16 --> 00:32:24
			then goes to the hijas and Molana
for saying goes back as well. Lots
		
00:32:24 --> 00:32:27
			of tooing and froing. And then in
1914,
		
00:32:28 --> 00:32:30
			the great war begins.
		
00:32:31 --> 00:32:34
			And this is immediately a problem
for any British subject in the
		
00:32:34 --> 00:32:37
			holy cities because the holy city
is a part of the Ottoman Empire,
		
00:32:37 --> 00:32:40
			which is at war with the British
Empire.
		
00:32:41 --> 00:32:45
			So a huge problem the Turks that
make difficulties for them, even
		
00:32:45 --> 00:32:48
			though technically their enemy
aliens, but they just continue
		
00:32:48 --> 00:32:52
			teaching and nobody really cares.
And Harley Pasha, who is the
		
00:32:52 --> 00:32:56
			governor of the hijas actually go
out of his way to make sure that
		
00:32:57 --> 00:32:59
			the scholars are not interfered
with.
		
00:33:01 --> 00:33:06
			But the Ottoman Empire is really
no match for the British Empire on
		
00:33:06 --> 00:33:09
			one side and Russians on the
other. And
		
00:33:10 --> 00:33:14
			on a visit to Mecca in 1916.
		
00:33:15 --> 00:33:20
			The Arab Revolt takes place a lot
of slavery Arabia in a Sharif
		
00:33:20 --> 00:33:21
			Hussein and
		
00:33:23 --> 00:33:23
			all of that
		
00:33:25 --> 00:33:30
			romantic nonsense, which was
basically just a piece of Imperial
		
00:33:31 --> 00:33:35
			manipulation and mischief making.
After the British had failed so
		
00:33:35 --> 00:33:39
			catastrophically at Gallipoli a
quarter of a million men died or
		
00:33:39 --> 00:33:44
			felt was casualties. On either
side. The biggest ever defeat the
		
00:33:44 --> 00:33:48
			British Empire suffered really was
by the so called sick man of
		
00:33:48 --> 00:33:52
			Europe and the Dardanelles,
Churchill's greatest, greatest
		
00:33:53 --> 00:33:58
			debacle. So the idea was to weaken
the Ottoman Empire by trying to
		
00:33:59 --> 00:34:03
			detach the Arabs from their
loyalties to the Salton KDF in
		
00:34:03 --> 00:34:06
			Constantinople that had already
been done successfully in the 19th
		
00:34:06 --> 00:34:11
			century to detach the Balkan
provinces, which, as we saw in the
		
00:34:11 --> 00:34:15
			episode lecture, were really
considered to be the heartlands of
		
00:34:15 --> 00:34:19
			the Ottoman Empire by the Ottomans
themselves. But with the Balkan
		
00:34:19 --> 00:34:23
			wars in 1912, Albania went but no
Macedonia went southern
		
00:34:24 --> 00:34:27
			Montenegro, Western Thrace, and
there's just a little kind of
		
00:34:28 --> 00:34:32
			amputated stump of Turkey in
Europe, which is still there. But
		
00:34:32 --> 00:34:32
			it's not
		
00:34:34 --> 00:34:38
			on the borders of Austria any
longer. It's small.
		
00:34:40 --> 00:34:44
			So they wanted to do the same
thing to the Arab provinces. The
		
00:34:44 --> 00:34:49
			trouble was that the Arabs weren't
really nationalist, unlike the
		
00:34:49 --> 00:34:51
			Serbs and the Muslims and the
Albanians and the Greeks and the
		
00:34:51 --> 00:34:55
			others, because they were thinking
in more specifically religious
		
00:34:55 --> 00:34:58
			terms, they remember the Crusades
unhappily and
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03
			The assault on Kaelyn particularly
sought and unblocked in need were
		
00:35:03 --> 00:35:08
			really popular in the Arab world.
Abdul Hamid did a lot for the
		
00:35:08 --> 00:35:11
			Haramain he built the Hejaz
railway.
		
00:35:12 --> 00:35:17
			And nobody saw any point in
rebelling so the British
		
00:35:17 --> 00:35:22
			eventually had to bribe a few
tribesmen. No Arabs ever
		
00:35:23 --> 00:35:26
			defected from the Ottoman army to
go over to the side of the British
		
00:35:26 --> 00:35:32
			or the Arab rebels. The Arabs in
the Ottoman army were completely
		
00:35:32 --> 00:35:35
			loyal and also fought at
Gallipoli, incidentally along in
		
00:35:35 --> 00:35:38
			their patches admission into the
Caucasus, which wasn't a great
		
00:35:38 --> 00:35:42
			success. So if they just saw
themselves as Ottomans.
		
00:35:43 --> 00:35:46
			So for the British, this was a
problem. So they managed to get
		
00:35:46 --> 00:35:50
			their Sharif Hussein in Makkah,
with a promise of sovereignty
		
00:35:50 --> 00:35:56
			after the war, told him Somerset
on the Empire of the Turks, now
		
00:35:56 --> 00:36:00
			it's going to be an Arab kingdom
under our tutelage, whether you
		
00:36:00 --> 00:36:04
			like it or not, and we'll make you
king of Arabia and we'll probably
		
00:36:04 --> 00:36:05
			make you Khalifa
		
00:36:06 --> 00:36:09
			Burj Khalifa should be an Arab
anyway, as long as you throw off
		
00:36:09 --> 00:36:14
			your allegiance to the to the
Turks, and the Schaffer saying I
		
00:36:15 --> 00:36:16
			bought this.
		
00:36:18 --> 00:36:22
			And with the help of Lawrence of
Arabia and the Arab euro and Cairo
		
00:36:22 --> 00:36:28
			and British gold, they managed to
get Makkah to secede from the
		
00:36:28 --> 00:36:30
			healer alpha, which is a fairly
extreme thing.
		
00:36:34 --> 00:36:40
			So, this is going on, and clearly
the situation of British subjects
		
00:36:40 --> 00:36:45
			in the holy cities is increasingly
precarious one, because they were
		
00:36:45 --> 00:36:50
			British subjects living under the
enemy Ottomans, and now they are
		
00:36:50 --> 00:36:53
			British subjects, but the British
are pulling the strings behind
		
00:36:53 --> 00:37:02
			this new while the ghostly kingdom
of the hijas and indeed, in 1916.
		
00:37:03 --> 00:37:06
			The group of scholars Maulana
Muhammad Al Hassan and Jose
		
00:37:06 --> 00:37:11
			numbered Madani are arrested by
order of the Sharif of Mecca.
		
00:37:13 --> 00:37:17
			Now the British in the Arab era in
Cairo, have drafted a fatwa
		
00:37:18 --> 00:37:22
			in which they declared that the
Ottomans are catheter and that is
		
00:37:22 --> 00:37:27
			an obligation for Muslims to fight
against the Ottoman Empire
		
00:37:28 --> 00:37:29
			in the interests of
		
00:37:31 --> 00:37:37
			the British Qing emperor, and the
Allamah. Everywhere in the British
		
00:37:37 --> 00:37:41
			Empire are being pressed to sign
this strange fatwa, which is
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:45
			endorsed in Makkah by an obscure
scholar who has now been made the
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:48
			Sheikh Al Islam. The real shift
from Islam, of course, is still in
		
00:37:48 --> 00:37:51
			Constantinople. But this scholar
who is
		
00:37:53 --> 00:37:56
			rather terrified of their Sharif
Hussein is going around getting
		
00:37:56 --> 00:37:59
			everybody in Mecca to sign this
thing saying the Turks are
		
00:37:59 --> 00:38:03
			catheters and the British are
protectors of true religion. And
		
00:38:03 --> 00:38:09
			then he comes to work the place
where Maulana Muhammad Hassan will
		
00:38:09 --> 00:38:12
			say not mad money staying and
says, you have to sign this thing.
		
00:38:12 --> 00:38:18
			The texts are called far and they
say, and they have to be evasive,
		
00:38:18 --> 00:38:22
			because consequences could be
disastrous. They say, Well, this
		
00:38:22 --> 00:38:25
			is just for the owner of McCann,
we've got nothing to do with this.
		
00:38:26 --> 00:38:29
			We're from India. This is not our
document that comes back the next
		
00:38:29 --> 00:38:32
			day, and it's got the same factor
but the words and the Turks are
		
00:38:32 --> 00:38:36
			catheter have kind of disappeared,
hoping that this will be more
		
00:38:36 --> 00:38:40
			acceptable, but they still won't
sign it. And so
		
00:38:41 --> 00:38:45
			with the orders of the British
pilgrim officer in Jeddah,
		
00:38:47 --> 00:38:52
			certain Colonel Wilson, they are
arrested and put on mules and
		
00:38:52 --> 00:38:57
			taken to Jeddah accused of
plotting with the Ottomans.
		
00:38:57 --> 00:39:02
			Beggars in Medina, they've been
hanging out with olive Pasha and
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:06
			some of the Ottoman statesmen
there. And it seems pretty obvious
		
00:39:06 --> 00:39:10
			that they've been consorting with
the enemy. So
		
00:39:13 --> 00:39:14
			the
		
00:39:17 --> 00:39:21
			the times are very tense and this
of course, is a traumatic and and
		
00:39:21 --> 00:39:23
			horrible experience for the whole
		
00:39:30 --> 00:39:36
			so they're taken to Jeddah under
God and we have to ask ourselves,
		
00:39:36 --> 00:39:42
			why the British on doing this? Do
they really believe that these
		
00:39:42 --> 00:39:46
			Indian Alanna are in cahoots with
the Ottomans and trying to stir up
		
00:39:46 --> 00:39:51
			sedition? Well, of course, the
relations but in all in that, and
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:56
			the British had always been
uncomfortable, since the Muslims
		
00:39:56 --> 00:39:59
			basically took the lead in the
first Indian War of Independence
		
00:39:59 --> 00:39:59
			in a
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:06
			1857 And a lot of the scholars, so
* Abdullah himself were
		
00:40:06 --> 00:40:11
			associated with that and that
giusti Sunbury line that ended up
		
00:40:11 --> 00:40:16
			becoming very organized in Dale
band was obviously subject to some
		
00:40:16 --> 00:40:20
			British colonial suspicion, even
though they're banned was not
		
00:40:21 --> 00:40:25
			political, but there was one.
ARLEN Amman, Anna Obaidullah Cindy
		
00:40:26 --> 00:40:29
			was an interesting person who was
actually a Sikh convert. In his
		
00:40:29 --> 00:40:33
			teenage years he converted to
Islam managed to become a
		
00:40:36 --> 00:40:40
			dual band organized some of the
Dell band graduates into something
		
00:40:40 --> 00:40:43
			called the jam out and unsolved.
		
00:40:45 --> 00:40:49
			Which again, was not really
political or explicitly anti
		
00:40:49 --> 00:40:57
			British, but clearly was some kind
of mobilized group. And Maulana
		
00:40:57 --> 00:41:00
			Muhammad Hassan had a close
relationship with him and was
		
00:41:00 --> 00:41:04
			constantly corresponding with him.
So we have
		
00:41:06 --> 00:41:10
			Obaidullah, Cindy, during the
First World War
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:15
			goes to the NorthWest Frontier,
province, all of those seven foot
		
00:41:15 --> 00:41:18
			tall, frowning Pashtuns
		
00:41:19 --> 00:41:23
			to try and foment a rebellion
against the British. They're
		
00:41:23 --> 00:41:26
			always rebellion, rebelling
against everybody and against each
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:30
			other. But this has to be a jihad
against the British, specifically,
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:35
			in order to establish an
independent India to meet up with
		
00:41:35 --> 00:41:40
			Muslims in Central Asia, who will
then rise up against the Tsar,
		
00:41:40 --> 00:41:44
			because Russia is in disarray. And
		
00:41:45 --> 00:41:50
			he writes a letter to mahmudul,
Hasan telling him what he is
		
00:41:50 --> 00:41:53
			doing, but asking for his support.
		
00:41:54 --> 00:41:59
			Now the British through a spy,
intercept the letter, which is
		
00:41:59 --> 00:42:03
			written on silk to make it easy
to, to hide, and this is called
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:08
			the silk letter conspiracy, which
is one of the episodes of the
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:09
			British Raj in India.
		
00:42:11 --> 00:42:15
			And as a result, Muhammad, Hassan
immediately comes under suspicion,
		
00:42:15 --> 00:42:20
			which seems to be why the British
have had him lead away under
		
00:42:20 --> 00:42:24
			arrest with whoever happens to be
in his house at the time.
		
00:42:26 --> 00:42:31
			Now, this starts to politicize
them a lot more, because it's very
		
00:42:31 --> 00:42:36
			obvious what the British are up
to, in the hijas. The Arabs are
		
00:42:36 --> 00:42:41
			still staunchly pro ottoman. But
these wild tribes have been told
		
00:42:41 --> 00:42:44
			that they will get British gold
and the right to pillage Damascus,
		
00:42:45 --> 00:42:49
			if they fight with Lawrence, it's
very transparently a piece of
		
00:42:50 --> 00:42:56
			Imperial manipulation. And
although we think of that period,
		
00:42:57 --> 00:43:01
			and the parceling up of the Middle
East, according to lines of
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:04
			colonial influence, the creation
of countries like Lebanon and
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:10
			Jordan, Iraq, places that had not
been countries before, lines that
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:14
			were drawn across the desert by a
bunch of men in a smoke filled
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:18
			room, and the Palace of
Versailles,
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:23
			as the kind of original sin that
has caused the instability of the
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:27
			Middle East. It's also had a big
impact in Muslims elsewhere,
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:32
			particularly in India in
strengthening anti British
		
00:43:32 --> 00:43:32
			feeling.
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:41
			Because the kind of deceit of it
was particularly offensive to
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:45
			Muslim sensibility. On the one
hand, the British had written to
		
00:43:45 --> 00:43:50
			the Sharif Hussein, promising him
that he will be an Arab sovereign,
		
00:43:51 --> 00:43:54
			and the Arabs would receive their
independence under some kind of
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:57
			vague British imperial
supervision, the French would have
		
00:43:57 --> 00:44:03
			Syria, but they'd also signed
secret Sykes pico accords. So Mark
		
00:44:03 --> 00:44:08
			Sykes, or former principal here,
Muhammad Assad has written a great
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11
			book about Mark Sykes and that
period where the British and the
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:14
			French had secretly written
another agreement saying no, the
		
00:44:14 --> 00:44:16
			city Arabs aren't going to get any
kind of independence. It's just
		
00:44:16 --> 00:44:19
			going to be colonial rule, the
British will get Iraq and the
		
00:44:19 --> 00:44:22
			French will get Syria and Lebanon
and
		
00:44:24 --> 00:44:30
			file closed. So that kind of
deceit was particularly regarded
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:33
			as particularly sleazy and
disgraceful, particularly to the
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:38
			kind of classical Sufi Allamah who
really respected men who kept
		
00:44:38 --> 00:44:42
			their word but this was a nasty
form of nofap and did a lot to
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45
			galvanize what became the hill
effort movement in India, which
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:50
			was one of the currents that moved
into the campaign against British
		
00:44:50 --> 00:44:55
			rule and for Indian independence.
So the Hossein McMahon
		
00:44:55 --> 00:44:59
			correspondence, which is where the
British said, you will be top dog
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:02
			And the secret Sykes pico
correspondence where they said
		
00:45:02 --> 00:45:06
			actually no, we're just going to
take over ourselves
		
00:45:07 --> 00:45:10
			a very significant documents if
you've seen the film, a dangerous
		
00:45:10 --> 00:45:11
			man
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:18
			which is basically about the
betrayal of the Arabs at the
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:23
			Treaty of Versailles. You will see
that and they're still really
		
00:45:23 --> 00:45:27
			angry about it her and a bunch of
Jordanian taxi drivers saying,
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:31
			we're not really Jordanians. We'd
have to be polite to taxi drivers
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:35
			in the Arab world. No, we're not
Jordanians. It's all Sham. You
		
00:45:35 --> 00:45:39
			know, it's all Sham, Palestine and
Lebanon and Syria and all those
		
00:45:39 --> 00:45:42
			silly countries we always used to
be together, we speak the same
		
00:45:42 --> 00:45:45
			kind of Arabic with the same
people. It's just you British who
		
00:45:45 --> 00:45:47
			kind of ruined everything.
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:53
			probably correct. But the British
crosstalk This is Imperial
		
00:45:53 --> 00:45:57
			planning, this is going to go on
forever, they never really thought
		
00:45:57 --> 00:46:00
			that there would be independent
countries. But in any case, these
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:04
			are very, very traumatic times.
And it's like 100 years ago, and
		
00:46:04 --> 00:46:07
			everybody's been commemorating the
end of the First World War and the
		
00:46:07 --> 00:46:11
			Battle of are done, the last post,
etcetera, etcetera. But Europe
		
00:46:11 --> 00:46:16
			kind of has recovered the Middle
East,
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:18
			still suffering.
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:23
			You should read David from King's
book, a piece to end or piece
		
00:46:23 --> 00:46:26
			where he talks about the
catastrophes of the map drawing
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:30
			that took place at the Treaty of
Versailles. Let's create a place
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:31
			called Yugoslavia, they thought
		
00:46:32 --> 00:46:36
			let's put Albanians in it and
Slovenes and craps and Serbs, you
		
00:46:36 --> 00:46:39
			know, they hate each other and
Bosnia and Montenegro. It will be
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:43
			the Kingdom of Yugoslavia. It's
never existed before. And then of
		
00:46:43 --> 00:46:47
			course, when authoritarian rule
ends, Tito dies, we're not sure
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:52
			which takes over bang is it's an
unreal nation state. And the same
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:54
			happens for so many of those
		
00:46:55 --> 00:47:00
			fantasy states that were created
at the Treaty of Versailles, Iraq
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:03
			was put the Kurds together with
the Sunnis and the Shia and the
		
00:47:03 --> 00:47:06
			Turkoman and the Yazidis. And the
Christians, and it's going to be
		
00:47:06 --> 00:47:10
			just great. kind of handy for
extracting oil, I guess. But
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:17
			that didn't work. So well, either.
In any case, yeah, centuries gone
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:21
			by and we're still suffering, the
peace to end all peace. But for
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:27
			the Indians, they could see what a
momentously awful thing was being
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:31
			done, that these places that have
been united under their field
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:35
			effort, and before that, under the
Mamluks, for 1000 years or more,
		
00:47:35 --> 00:47:38
			we're now going to become Syria
and Lebanon and these strange
		
00:47:38 --> 00:47:43
			borders, dividing people and
checkpoints everywhere and
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:48
			passports. This was this was a
monstrosity and really tended to
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:54
			exacerbate anti Imperial and anti
British feelings. So the silk
		
00:47:54 --> 00:47:59
			letter conspiracy is part of that
people are really angry. So
		
00:48:00 --> 00:48:04
			they're under arrest in Jeddah.
They don't know where they're
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06
			going to go. But they assume
they're going to be taken to
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:10
			India. But they're not put on a
ship and taken to Egypt. They stay
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:15
			in a kind of encampment, a
prisoner of war place or just
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18
			outside Cairo. They're
interrogated by a tribunal
		
00:48:20 --> 00:48:24
			where they make the fatal
admission that actually the
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:28
			Turkish rule in the hijackers was
a lot better than the Sharif
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:32
			Hussein. And the verdict on that
was that they were disloyal, and
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:36
			that they should be interned on
the island of Malta, the opposite
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:40
			direction to India. And they're
sent with a lot of prisoners of
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:46
			war, basically, Ottoman loyalists,
Ottoman officers, and others,
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:52
			civil servants who are going to be
interned. And the sea voyage is
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:56
			somewhat dangerous in the
submarines and it's it's wartime.
		
00:48:56 --> 00:49:01
			But Mawlana, for saying Ahmed has
a piece of the turban cloth of
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:06
			* him dadullah, tears it up and
gives one to each of the members
		
00:49:06 --> 00:49:12
			of the group for tobacco cat in
order to keep them safe during the
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:13
			sea passage.
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:18
			So he arrives in Malta, and it's a
huge prisoner of war camp about
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:21
			3000 prisoners of lots of
different nationalities, this kind
		
00:49:21 --> 00:49:26
			of Prussians with monocles as well
as Syrian patches. Everybody has
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:31
			their four layers of barbed wire
outside it's like, like cold. It's
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:39
			really multinational. And the pro
Ottoman Egyptians and Syrians,
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:44
			Lebanese Palestinians, as well. So
they organize a mosque, they get
		
00:49:45 --> 00:49:50
			prison blankets, and do they
create a mosque, and Syrians will
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:54
			Ottoman patriots managed to stitch
together an ottoman flag and keep
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:58
			raising it to the annoyance of the
British guards and it's the usual
		
00:49:59 --> 00:50:00
			situation and then
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:03
			A prison where there are
interrogations and then spies and
		
00:50:03 --> 00:50:07
			stole pigeons and petitions are
coming from India because these
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:10
			are like the best known Muslim
scholars in India. So, people are
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:13
			writing to the British saying you
can't arrest
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:16
			our Mo learners.
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:25
			His father is Habibullah
Habibollah, of course is still in
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:31
			Medina eking out a living when the
Sharif Hussein's forces after the
		
00:50:32 --> 00:50:37
			siege of Medina, which is a very
kind of heroic event and the last
		
00:50:37 --> 00:50:41
			train to leave Medina railway
station going north when the
		
00:50:41 --> 00:50:45
			Sharif Hussein's forces besieging
the city it has
		
00:50:47 --> 00:50:52
			they take the relics of the
Prophet's mosque with the Prophet
		
00:50:52 --> 00:50:56
			sword and his turban and artha and
the battle cat that have always
		
00:50:56 --> 00:51:01
			been kept in the, in the harem in
Medina, taken up and those
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:05
			everybody's weeping. And of
course, they're still in Istanbul
		
00:51:05 --> 00:51:10
			to this day where you can see that
that Siege is something worth
		
00:51:10 --> 00:51:14
			reading about. But the shooting
for saints forces take over. And
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:15
			so
		
00:51:16 --> 00:51:18
			Maulana Habibollah is arrested.
		
00:51:19 --> 00:51:24
			But he's, he's arrested by the
Turks That's right, as a British
		
00:51:24 --> 00:51:30
			subject under suspicion, and he's
taken off to a dinner in European
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:36
			Turkey, where he dies. And the
news gets to Nana, Jose Madani in
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:40
			Malta, and of course, is greatly
affected by this. But by this
		
00:51:40 --> 00:51:44
			time, the hijas has been taken
Palestine has been taken the two
		
00:51:44 --> 00:51:47
			battles of Gaza, the first one,
the
		
00:51:48 --> 00:51:53
			Ottomans are victorious. And then
when they're defeated, and from
		
00:51:53 --> 00:51:57
			that time, really, Gaza, which
used to be just an ordinary Syrian
		
00:51:57 --> 00:52:01
			sleeping place has become one of
the great tragedy zones on Earth.
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:05
			And somehow these these all on
that the Muslims who saw the
		
00:52:05 --> 00:52:09
			collapse of this ancient
traditional order, somehow
		
00:52:09 --> 00:52:13
			intuited the human catastrophes
that were to come on in our time
		
00:52:13 --> 00:52:17
			still goes on look at the
Governability of Syria and Iraq.
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:20
			And it's all from that period.
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:27
			Iraq, under the Ottomans for 400
years didn't have a single major
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:32
			episode of sectarian conflict. Not
one, the Ottoman sometimes used to
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:36
			send persons of gold to endow the
Shiite shrines at Karbala and
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:41
			Najaf and the Castlemaine that was
just kind of normal. They were
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:42
			just neighbors.
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:47
			And now look at it. So there was
something of an intuition in many
		
00:52:47 --> 00:52:50
			Muslim souls at the time that some
kind of great darkness is coming.
		
00:52:53 --> 00:52:53
			So
		
00:52:56 --> 00:52:56
			Malena
		
00:52:58 --> 00:53:03
			Mallanna is working away Nakamoto
Huson. And they have access to pen
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:08
			and paper. So this is where Marlon
Hossein Madani completes his great
		
00:53:08 --> 00:53:12
			commentary on Buhari, which is a
very monumental work.
		
00:53:13 --> 00:53:19
			But they do a lot of vicar, and
they have a very holy presence. So
		
00:53:19 --> 00:53:24
			the British guards when they go
past them, couldn't stop taking
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:27
			their hats off to them, which is
not prison regulations at all,
		
00:53:27 --> 00:53:31
			you'd find a guard in strange ways
sort of taking his hat off to a
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33
			particular prison unless it's a
mafia boss who can threaten him
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:37
			but just out of respect for a
prisoner doesn't. prison
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:39
			environment isn't like that.
Sometimes the British guys would
		
00:53:39 --> 00:53:44
			even bow to moaning or saying
afterward, because holiness has an
		
00:53:44 --> 00:53:48
			effect that people have an
extraordinary charisma and some of
		
00:53:48 --> 00:53:54
			the Syrian prisoners that mostly
from the Ottoman Navy took ber
		
00:53:54 --> 00:53:59
			with him and Atari and started to
spread in Syria so we have another
		
00:54:01 --> 00:54:04
			let's listen to his words again.
		
00:54:20 --> 00:54:22
			Magic routine materialized
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:28
			we actually have
		
00:54:30 --> 00:54:33
			a book as Irani Mata, it's an
order but there's an English
		
00:54:33 --> 00:54:36
			translation we have it and CMC
library upstairs which is a very
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:40
			detailed account in a kind of
traditional philosophy, law
		
00:54:40 --> 00:54:43
			monarchy genre, it's like his
miracles and the people who
		
00:54:43 --> 00:54:47
			converted his hands and it's a
spiritual prison diary.
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:50
			So
		
00:54:51 --> 00:54:56
			later on one and a half note,
writing about his teacher wrote
		
00:54:56 --> 00:54:59
			this in short, the truth of the
matter is that no learner not
		
00:54:59 --> 00:55:00
			model has
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:03
			son in his whole life, had never
had such an opportunity for
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:07
			spiritual work in a progress and
intimacy with His True Beloved,
		
00:55:07 --> 00:55:11
			like the days of his state on
Malta. It was a true gift from
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:15
			Allah for achieving the stages of
inner progress. The eternal writer
		
00:55:15 --> 00:55:18
			made this journey and this
imprisonment the means for
		
00:55:18 --> 00:55:21
			achieving the stages he had fixed
for him from eternity. And what's
		
00:55:21 --> 00:55:25
			achieved He sent him to his
homeland and then summoned him
		
00:55:26 --> 00:55:28
			so well enough to say an armored,
		
00:55:29 --> 00:55:33
			who's a very apt student by now
learns Turkish while he's here,
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:39
			and completes finally his fifths
of the or n, and is really well
		
00:55:39 --> 00:55:42
			known for showing and being
esteemed by all the prisoners for
		
00:55:42 --> 00:55:48
			having amazing compassion for them
all. So, another text from this
		
00:55:48 --> 00:55:49
			amazing diary
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:05
			so this is what he writes later
on. Among these 3000 some are
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:08
			Muslims, some Christians, some
Jews and Catholics are more black,
		
00:56:08 --> 00:56:11
			some white, some Eastern, some
Western, some civilians and
		
00:56:11 --> 00:56:15
			military, some Asian some Africans
and Europeans and Turkish but
		
00:56:15 --> 00:56:19
			trouble joined all in such a bond,
that each was ready to sacrifice
		
00:56:19 --> 00:56:22
			his life. And in his heart,
everyone breathed wellbeing for
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:26
			the other. This was an
extraordinary vision, as if the
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:28
			differences of religion nation and
Homeland had completely
		
00:56:28 --> 00:56:32
			disappeared from the human world,
as if each was the other's real
		
00:56:32 --> 00:56:36
			brother. Everyone viewed the
English officers and soldiers with
		
00:56:36 --> 00:56:39
			your anger, but looked at each
prisoner with an eye of dignity
		
00:56:39 --> 00:56:40
			and respect.
		
00:56:42 --> 00:56:47
			So this goes on 11th of November,
of course, the 11th hour of the
		
00:56:47 --> 00:56:53
			11th day of the 11th month, the
armistice is signed and the guns
		
00:56:53 --> 00:56:58
			for silent are they expect to be
released because they're getting
		
00:56:58 --> 00:57:02
			newspapers to know what's going
on. But the Arab Bureau in Cairo,
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:07
			which is planning this new British
French suzerainty over Middle
		
00:57:07 --> 00:57:11
			Eastern is also interested in
India, because Aidan is for a long
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:13
			time administered through from
Bombay
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:20
			decides not to release them
because they are undesirable.
		
00:57:21 --> 00:57:25
			Indians and Mohammed and
malcontents, they haven't actually
		
00:57:25 --> 00:57:28
			been able to convict them of
anything, just kind of hearsay
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:32
			rumor. We think you're in this
match list with the Ottoman Pasha.
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:34
			And we think that you've been
corresponding with albedo last
		
00:57:34 --> 00:57:37
			Sunday, and why did he send you
this letter, but they can't
		
00:57:37 --> 00:57:41
			actually convict them of anything.
In 1920. Finally, because there's
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:44
			no evidence at all, and there's a
lot of pressure coming from Indian
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:46
			Muslims they are released.
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:52
			from Malta back to India, it takes
them three months. Chaos after the
		
00:57:52 --> 00:57:56
			war, the Middle East is an uproar.
They didn't have any money. But
		
00:57:56 --> 00:58:00
			they met by a rapturous crowd and
welcoming party at the docks in
		
00:58:00 --> 00:58:05
			Bombay, Ghandi as they're the
Deobandi leaders and also
		
00:58:05 --> 00:58:09
			activists of a new movement called
the healer foot movement, which is
		
00:58:09 --> 00:58:14
			an Indian Muslim movement
concerned at British and
		
00:58:14 --> 00:58:20
			ultimately command list plans to
abolish the Khilafah itself in
		
00:58:20 --> 00:58:22
			order to facilitate British rule.
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:30
			He didn't go back to Medina. But
his experience in prison has
		
00:58:30 --> 00:58:32
			turned him into a kind of activist
Mowlana
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:37
			that Indian Muslims in this time
of the philosophic movement are
		
00:58:37 --> 00:58:41
			very alienated by clear British
anti automatism.
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:46
			Now, before this time, the idea of
the Caleb the Khalifa had never
		
00:58:46 --> 00:58:49
			really been a very big idea in
India.
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:57
			Until the early 16th century, the
deadly soul times tall knocks and
		
00:58:57 --> 00:59:01
			so forth, had had the Khalifa.
There are Basset Khalifa, who at
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:05
			this time was living in a kind of
exile in a palace in Cairo,
		
00:59:05 --> 00:59:09
			mentioned in Hotspurs. But
otherwise, it wasn't really alive
		
00:59:09 --> 00:59:10
			principal.
		
00:59:12 --> 00:59:16
			And some of the Mogul the Mogul
saw times had made key level
		
00:59:16 --> 00:59:20
			claims for themselves, that they
list of titles was so gigantic
		
00:59:20 --> 00:59:23
			Lord of the sun and the moon, all
of that Lord of the Eastern the
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:27
			West, master of the horizons,
master of 1000 elephants. By the
		
00:59:27 --> 00:59:31
			time he got to khalifa, nobody was
reading that far, so it wasn't
		
00:59:31 --> 00:59:35
			really part of their legitimation.
In the medical world, of course,
		
00:59:35 --> 00:59:38
			they're aware that it was a claim
made by the Ottoman assault, and
		
00:59:38 --> 00:59:43
			particularly the 18th and 19th
century, as an Ottoman military
		
00:59:43 --> 00:59:46
			fortunes started to wane.
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:51
			So, the British then had this idea
		
00:59:52 --> 00:59:56
			that the Sharif Hussein could be
induced to declare himself to be
		
00:59:56 --> 00:59:59
			Khalifa and could then bring the
whole Arab world and maybe the
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04
			whole Islamic world into British
allegiance. There are letters from
		
01:00:04 --> 01:00:08
			him that indicate this been
released in the India office
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:12
			archives. So in 1919, something
called All India feel effort
		
01:00:12 --> 01:00:17
			movement was founded out of anger,
the kind of slicing up of the Arab
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:20
			world, the Balfour Declaration,
what was going to happen to
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:25
			Palestine, and they were supported
by Gandy as well. And Maulana
		
01:00:25 --> 01:00:29
			Muhammad Al Hassan declared his
support was given the title
		
01:00:29 --> 01:00:33
			Schakel Hynd. And they lent their
weight to many of the early
		
01:00:33 --> 01:00:37
			Gambian campaigns of civil
disobedience, not buying British
		
01:00:37 --> 01:00:43
			products and not standing up with
a European into the room, that
		
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44
			kind of thing.
		
01:00:45 --> 01:00:48
			partnered with a lot of other
Muslims, including, interestingly,
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:51
			some Cambridge educated Muslims,
somebody called sayfudine
		
01:00:51 --> 01:00:55
			KISSFLOW. I probably pronounced
that wrongly it was at Peter house
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:56
			here in the
		
01:00:57 --> 01:01:01
			late 19th century, there's
something called the Cambridge
		
01:01:01 --> 01:01:06
			Majlis here, which was founded in
about 1891 for not just Muslim,
		
01:01:06 --> 01:01:09
			but there are a lot of Muslims and
Indian students who were in
		
01:01:09 --> 01:01:10
			Cambridge, and they would get
together and
		
01:01:12 --> 01:01:15
			talk society politics, talk about
the aspirations later on, there
		
01:01:15 --> 01:01:17
			was an Oxford metrics as well.
		
01:01:19 --> 01:01:22
			People like Mallanna use Yusuf Ali
when he was in Cambridge to
		
01:01:22 --> 01:01:27
			translate with the current users
and John's College, Cabal, we're
		
01:01:27 --> 01:01:31
			all kind of, as it were graduates
of the circle of Cambridge based
		
01:01:31 --> 01:01:33
			Muslim intellectual. So
		
01:01:35 --> 01:01:38
			this is an opportunity for the
Mowlana to engage with some of the
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:42
			more kind of Western educated
Muslims in India who are
		
01:01:43 --> 01:01:47
			often much more active as
nationalists than to Allah that
		
01:01:47 --> 01:01:52
			were, who tend to prefer the
traditional distance that that
		
01:01:52 --> 01:01:54
			alone that maintain from the
assault on
		
01:01:56 --> 01:02:05
			the British like this, and in
Karachi, he is tried for anti
		
01:02:05 --> 01:02:12
			British agitation, and true to the
principles of non cooperation.
		
01:02:14 --> 01:02:16
			They refuse to stand for the
judge.
		
01:02:18 --> 01:02:21
			And they don't acknowledge the
legitimacy of the court and he
		
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25
			gets sentenced to two years
rigorous imprisonment, which means
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:28
			that at night is chained and the
food is really bad.
		
01:02:30 --> 01:02:34
			Is released two years later, but
then in 1924, the heat alpha is
		
01:02:34 --> 01:02:39
			abolished by Ataturk and the
movement kind of gets a bit
		
01:02:39 --> 01:02:45
			adrift, it staggers on for a few
more years. But this the wind has
		
01:02:45 --> 01:02:50
			gone out of its sails. And also,
there's growing dissension between
		
01:02:50 --> 01:02:54
			Hindus and Muslims and Muslim
identity politics in India starts
		
01:02:54 --> 01:02:59
			to take on a different tenor.
Still limit he's out of prison, he
		
01:02:59 --> 01:03:03
			resumed his anti British preaching
and pointing particularly to the
		
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05
			cynical carve up of the Middle
East.
		
01:03:07 --> 01:03:10
			And his preaching against
communism, because he says that
		
01:03:10 --> 01:03:15
			for the different groups in India,
to war on each other simply serves
		
01:03:16 --> 01:03:19
			British colonial interests,
because the Raj justifies itself
		
01:03:19 --> 01:03:23
			as the White Man's Burden. If the
white man goes, the Indians will
		
01:03:23 --> 01:03:27
			all kill each other as allegedly
they did before. And similarly, he
		
01:03:27 --> 01:03:31
			didn't like sunny she
disputations, which were quite
		
01:03:31 --> 01:03:35
			shocked. But this time, he was
very strong in his disagreement
		
01:03:35 --> 01:03:39
			with the Shia, but he didn't like
that to reflect itself in any kind
		
01:03:39 --> 01:03:40
			of communism.
		
01:03:41 --> 01:03:46
			Milan and Maha model hasn't passes
away. And he moves off to distance
		
01:03:46 --> 01:03:51
			silhouette, in order to teach
Hadith. He has always been really
		
01:03:52 --> 01:03:56
			a man who is not afraid of
discomfort and going to out of the
		
01:03:56 --> 01:04:00
			way places. And one of his great
delights, according to His
		
01:04:00 --> 01:04:05
			biographers, was just to go to
villages and to talk about Islam,
		
01:04:05 --> 01:04:09
			the Quran and the Sunnah of the
lives of the great ones. And even
		
01:04:09 --> 01:04:12
			if only half a dozen people came
and kind of stood with their
		
01:04:12 --> 01:04:15
			mouths open, sort of on the way to
the paddy fields, you'd be really
		
01:04:15 --> 01:04:20
			happy and that was it. He said his
his greatest, greatest delight. So
		
01:04:20 --> 01:04:25
			a kind of tab leave is something
that he starts as well. And he
		
01:04:25 --> 01:04:26
			creates
		
01:04:27 --> 01:04:32
			a kind of India wide organization
for a kind of Ireland based re
		
01:04:32 --> 01:04:37
			Islamization because the Hindu
militants have been launching
		
01:04:37 --> 01:04:42
			campaigns to bring very
superficially Islamist populations
		
01:04:42 --> 01:04:47
			back into Hinduism. Organizations
like the Arya Samaj sending
		
01:04:47 --> 01:04:51
			missionaries, essentially around
the countryside to go to people
		
01:04:51 --> 01:04:56
			who have Muslim names, but maybe
only nominally Muslim in practice
		
01:04:56 --> 01:04:59
			observing the Hindu calendar, and
Hindu deities to read
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:01
			assimilate them the process of
		
01:05:02 --> 01:05:08
			should be back into Hinduism. So
movements like the Tablighi Jamaat
		
01:05:08 --> 01:05:14
			and Mawlana Hossein Madden, his
organization are very much part of
		
01:05:14 --> 01:05:17
			the pushing back against this
Hindu
		
01:05:18 --> 01:05:21
			militancy, and that organization
also
		
01:05:23 --> 01:05:29
			tries to fight some on Islamic
practices. So, he has this idea
		
01:05:29 --> 01:05:32
			that the Muslim birthrate is
smaller than the Hindu birthrate
		
01:05:32 --> 01:05:37
			in India, because Muslims marry
later, and because sometimes they
		
01:05:37 --> 01:05:40
			didn't marry at all. And the
reason for that is cultural
		
01:05:40 --> 01:05:42
			expectations about extravagant
weddings.
		
01:05:43 --> 01:05:47
			So he issues a series of factors
indicating what a true Islamic
		
01:05:47 --> 01:05:50
			wedding should be, and the money
you save, should be used to
		
01:05:50 --> 01:05:54
			establish yourself in a business
or some other Halal form of
		
01:05:55 --> 01:05:58
			income. And that's one of the
things that he is
		
01:05:59 --> 01:06:00
			remembered for.
		
01:06:02 --> 01:06:04
			Of course, it's still very much in
the Deobandi orbit.
		
01:06:07 --> 01:06:11
			The head of the Lawndale band
amalan, Anwar Shah Kashmiri
		
01:06:12 --> 01:06:17
			goes off to establish another big
one or more in Gujarat. And Alana
		
01:06:17 --> 01:06:22
			Hossain Ahmed is invited to take
his place and be the the grand
		
01:06:22 --> 01:06:23
			Rector of this
		
01:06:24 --> 01:06:28
			extraordinarily prestigious
institution. He doesn't
		
01:06:28 --> 01:06:33
			particularly want to do it, but he
says, if you agree to my 27
		
01:06:33 --> 01:06:38
			conditions, all right, I will, I
will come and one of those
		
01:06:38 --> 01:06:42
			conditions is that don't longdale
band will not stand aloof from
		
01:06:42 --> 01:06:47
			anti British campaigning in India.
So the kind of quietest on on that
		
01:06:47 --> 01:06:50
			to be sidelined. And he also
includes other conditions such as
		
01:06:50 --> 01:06:56
			he says, haven't seen this in a
recent academic contract. If I
		
01:06:56 --> 01:06:57
			have to miss a lecture,
		
01:06:58 --> 01:07:02
			the regulations must specify that
that is to be deducted from my
		
01:07:02 --> 01:07:03
			salary.
		
01:07:04 --> 01:07:08
			So it's the kind of purist
approach and they say, all right,
		
01:07:08 --> 01:07:10
			and they let him in and he becomes
		
01:07:12 --> 01:07:17
			rises to this position of
considerable eminence. Now, the
		
01:07:17 --> 01:07:21
			automat by this time are being
contested in their claim to be the
		
01:07:21 --> 01:07:25
			natural leaders of the Ummah by
different kinds of organisations.
		
01:07:25 --> 01:07:28
			You've got the Muslim League,
starting up with gin. Now, who is
		
01:07:28 --> 01:07:32
			this Lincoln's in? educated, very
anglicized
		
01:07:34 --> 01:07:38
			individual who, as far as anybody
can tell, is not particularly
		
01:07:38 --> 01:07:42
			religiously, observant, and it's
really more at home with sort of
		
01:07:42 --> 01:07:48
			anglicized and British elites than
with traditional Muslims, with a
		
01:07:48 --> 01:07:50
			kind of nationalistic idea.
		
01:07:51 --> 01:07:52
			And then you have
		
01:07:55 --> 01:08:00
			this idea of a kind of romantic
Muslim nationalism,
		
01:08:02 --> 01:08:07
			influenced by all of the ideas and
visions, and sometimes quite
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:10
			interesting insights that he
picked up here in Cambridge and
		
01:08:10 --> 01:08:10
			elsewhere.
		
01:08:13 --> 01:08:17
			And like, gymnastic, he's not
really at ease with the Alanna.
		
01:08:18 --> 01:08:22
			And then you've got Mel Dodi who
more or less openly disrespects
		
01:08:22 --> 01:08:23
			the all of that,
		
01:08:24 --> 01:08:28
			and says that they are
obscurantist, and they have veiled
		
01:08:28 --> 01:08:32
			the shining face of the Quran and
the Hadith with all of their
		
01:08:32 --> 01:08:38
			hairsplitting. disputations. And
that he Malgudi writes that
		
01:08:38 --> 01:08:41
			because of an inner light, he is
able to tell whether a hadith is
		
01:08:41 --> 01:08:45
			strong or weak, just by looking at
it, he doesn't need to go to all
		
01:08:45 --> 01:08:49
			of the polymers yellow books about
Joshua and toddy eland assessing
		
01:08:49 --> 01:08:52
			isn't it? He can tell
spontaneously and this of course,
		
01:08:52 --> 01:08:56
			completely short circuits, the
whole traditional mechanisms of
		
01:08:56 --> 01:09:00
			Islamic scholarship. So there's
these three groups who are Muslim
		
01:09:00 --> 01:09:05
			groups that are kind of not on the
side with the the Alannah and
		
01:09:05 --> 01:09:07
			competing with them for
popularity.
		
01:09:10 --> 01:09:12
			Most of the automatic groupings
		
01:09:13 --> 01:09:17
			are aligning themselves with
Congress in the movement for the
		
01:09:17 --> 01:09:22
			Indian National Liberation against
the British especially see rod,
		
01:09:22 --> 01:09:27
			which is a big group and most of
its territories are now in what's
		
01:09:27 --> 01:09:32
			called Pakistan nowadays, which is
very much a kind of Paul relief
		
01:09:32 --> 01:09:36
			type, scholars activist
organization very much in the
		
01:09:36 --> 01:09:42
			Chishti tradition. We're
particularly active in upholding
		
01:09:42 --> 01:09:42
			the
		
01:09:43 --> 01:09:47
			rights of Muslims in Kashmir,
which was a Muslim majority
		
01:09:47 --> 01:09:50
			province, but under Hindu Raja,
and they were historically quite
		
01:09:51 --> 01:09:54
			quite browbeaten and then you've
got the famous movement of
		
01:09:54 --> 01:09:59
			Abdullah far Abraca for Han,
amongst the protons who improbably
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:04
			For a Putana creates a kind of
Islamic pacifism in order to
		
01:10:04 --> 01:10:06
			resist the British.
		
01:10:07 --> 01:10:10
			But the Muslim League is the group
that seems to be growing fast,
		
01:10:11 --> 01:10:16
			even though gymnasts natural
habitat tends to be with with the
		
01:10:16 --> 01:10:18
			aristocratic. So do you know who's
talking to westernized
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:22
			intellectuals, aristocratic and
princes from the princely states,
		
01:10:22 --> 01:10:26
			whereas the colonists support
tends to come from the grassroots.
		
01:10:31 --> 01:10:37
			The British are also emphasizing
that the role in India is to as it
		
01:10:37 --> 01:10:41
			won't be referees between two
competing teams and that, but for
		
01:10:41 --> 01:10:46
			the referee, the rules would be
cast aside and mayhem would ensue.
		
01:10:46 --> 01:10:53
			And they do a lot to promote,
particularly the the zealous sides
		
01:10:53 --> 01:10:59
			of Hindu nationalism and Muslim
nationalism. And the story is
		
01:10:59 --> 01:11:01
			still coming out. But it's
becoming evident now that
		
01:11:02 --> 01:11:06
			Whitehall's role was quite a
nefarious one at a time when
		
01:11:06 --> 01:11:09
			Churchill, for instance, is
absolutely determined and
		
01:11:09 --> 01:11:15
			desperate that India would remain
the jewel in the kernel. So 1937
		
01:11:15 --> 01:11:19
			was in madonie, writes a book with
the head Muttahida commit our
		
01:11:19 --> 01:11:24
			Islam, which is an interesting
document in that it is really
		
01:11:25 --> 01:11:30
			written from a very classical
Hanafi matterI perspective,
		
01:11:30 --> 01:11:35
			explaining what Islam actually
could make of nationalism,
		
01:11:37 --> 01:11:41
			which is the dominant ideology in
the world at the time, whether of
		
01:11:41 --> 01:11:44
			the left or of the right, and
certainly the way in which anti
		
01:11:44 --> 01:11:49
			colonialism was expressing itself.
If the movement against the
		
01:11:49 --> 01:11:50
			British in India
		
01:11:51 --> 01:11:55
			is a nationalism, what should be
the role of the automat? When
		
01:11:55 --> 01:11:58
			nationalism is something that
comes out of the European
		
01:11:58 --> 01:12:03
			experience? What on earth can be
our role in this to just go along
		
01:12:03 --> 01:12:07
			with it? Can we find ways of
justifying it in the Quran? Or the
		
01:12:07 --> 01:12:10
			Sunnah? Or do we have to oppose
it?
		
01:12:11 --> 01:12:14
			Or do we have an alternative
vision so he proposes a kind of
		
01:12:14 --> 01:12:19
			alternative vision, and he is very
much targeting these different
		
01:12:19 --> 01:12:20
			voices.
		
01:12:21 --> 01:12:26
			Akbar Jinnah and also Mel DoDI,
who he sees as people who are
		
01:12:26 --> 01:12:29
			speaking for Islam, but not really
with a sufficient knowledge base
		
01:12:29 --> 01:12:30
			and sufficient
		
01:12:31 --> 01:12:33
			authorization
		
01:12:34 --> 01:12:37
			and continuity with the classical
past. So in many ways, it's a
		
01:12:37 --> 01:12:42
			restatement of the classical, even
medieval Islamic understanding of
		
01:12:42 --> 01:12:44
			how government works.
		
01:12:47 --> 01:12:50
			And if Baal writes a poem,
attacking him,
		
01:12:52 --> 01:12:55
			is quite sick by this time he dies
the next year, but he writes a
		
01:12:55 --> 01:13:00
			Persian poem in which he calls the
head of the norm, del band, the
		
01:13:00 --> 01:13:01
			Abu Lahab have the time
		
01:13:02 --> 01:13:05
			because it's apparently opposing
the word of the Holy Prophet,
		
01:13:05 --> 01:13:11
			which is about the Muslims of the
Ummah and the traditional way. But
		
01:13:12 --> 01:13:12
			and then
		
01:13:14 --> 01:13:18
			he writes a counter refutation and
his basically his his
		
01:13:18 --> 01:13:22
			understanding in India because by
this time, things are looking
		
01:13:22 --> 01:13:25
			quite dire. And he certainly
doesn't want the region to be
		
01:13:25 --> 01:13:28
			divided the way the British
divided the Middle East, which
		
01:13:28 --> 01:13:33
			seems to be the usual British
policy, in power, and when leaving
		
01:13:33 --> 01:13:38
			power, you just divide it up into
smaller bits and step back and
		
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41
			watch the fun that
		
01:13:42 --> 01:13:46
			his view is that if you look at
the classical Islamic sources, and
		
01:13:46 --> 01:13:50
			set aside sort of journalistic or
philosophical and nationalistic
		
01:13:50 --> 01:13:54
			considerations, you find that
there are three principles that
		
01:13:54 --> 01:13:57
			should be guiding the all on that
looking at this, do we stay with
		
01:13:57 --> 01:14:01
			the British? Do we stay with the
United India? Do we support the
		
01:14:01 --> 01:14:05
			idea of cutting into Europe into
Muslim and Hindu bits? There's
		
01:14:05 --> 01:14:09
			three points he says. Firstly, the
Sunnah validates alliances with
		
01:14:09 --> 01:14:12
			non Muslims. So he talks about the
same as Constitution of Medina
		
01:14:12 --> 01:14:16
			that the Holy Prophet fought with
the Jews when he arrived there and
		
01:14:16 --> 01:14:19
			there's plenty of other examples
you can collaborate politically
		
01:14:19 --> 01:14:23
			with non Muslims. Secondly,
Muslims are people of
		
01:14:24 --> 01:14:28
			faithfulness, who keep their
promises and are honorable
		
01:14:28 --> 01:14:29
			neighbors.
		
01:14:30 --> 01:14:36
			And thirdly, that Muslims belong
in India. Hindu nationalists and a
		
01:14:36 --> 01:14:39
			certain British narrative regard
them as legacies of outsider
		
01:14:39 --> 01:14:44
			conquest. But actually they are
locals. This is Hindustan is their
		
01:14:44 --> 01:14:50
			country. And the landscape is full
of mosques and Zambia's and
		
01:14:50 --> 01:14:52
			graveyards and it's Hindustan.
		
01:14:54 --> 01:14:59
			Muslims are not kind of camping
out. So his arguments are
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:04
			All religious arguments that
Islamic arguments. And his concern
		
01:15:04 --> 01:15:11
			is that partition would divide the
Muslims into maybe three different
		
01:15:11 --> 01:15:17
			bits that unite the Hindus. So in
an attempt to avoid Hindu
		
01:15:17 --> 01:15:22
			predominance in the region, it
would actually cement it because
		
01:15:22 --> 01:15:25
			it would be the Muslims who would
be divided, and the Hindus who
		
01:15:25 --> 01:15:27
			would be united.
		
01:15:29 --> 01:15:33
			And he also has an aside at
Nadodi, who he calls and he's
		
01:15:33 --> 01:15:36
			never really abusive, he doesn't
call anybody Abu Lahab. But now
		
01:15:36 --> 01:15:42
			dot equals a journalist, a writer
of articles and editorials, who
		
01:15:42 --> 01:15:47
			should not be giving fatwas that
is authorized him to give that was
		
01:15:47 --> 01:15:47
			so this
		
01:15:49 --> 01:15:55
			idea of partition to him, looks as
if it's going to leave the Muslims
		
01:15:55 --> 01:15:59
			in the lurch and destabilize the
region, the way the British
		
01:15:59 --> 01:16:03
			destabilize the French destabilize
the Middle East, and is a bitter
		
01:16:03 --> 01:16:07
			experience of seeing the
consequences. The first world war
		
01:16:08 --> 01:16:11
			in the Middle East probably
informed this this view.
		
01:16:12 --> 01:16:17
			Second World War happens and the
future of British rule becomes
		
01:16:17 --> 01:16:22
			even more ambiguous. Subhas
Chandra Bose has taken a bit of
		
01:16:22 --> 01:16:27
			the Indian Army to side with the
Japanese in the hope that the
		
01:16:27 --> 01:16:30
			Japanese sponsored Indian
independence would be the best
		
01:16:30 --> 01:16:35
			thing for the subcontinent.
There's, there's 1000s of them,
		
01:16:35 --> 01:16:39
			and they're just waiting in Burma
to cross the border into Assam.
		
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42
			The idea being that the Indian
population will then rise up
		
01:16:42 --> 01:16:48
			against the white man and welcome
the joint Japanese Indian
		
01:16:48 --> 01:16:52
			liberators, which could have
happened could have happened and
		
01:16:52 --> 01:16:55
			British were really unpopular,
particularly given the
		
01:16:55 --> 01:16:59
			manipulations of the Bengal famine
in 1942, which is worth reading
		
01:16:59 --> 01:17:00
			about.
		
01:17:02 --> 01:17:03
			Basically,
		
01:17:04 --> 01:17:08
			the story of the Bengal famine is
that in order to prevent the
		
01:17:08 --> 01:17:11
			Japanese from landing on the
coasts of eastern India,
		
01:17:12 --> 01:17:15
			the British destroyed the
infrastructure of the coasts.
		
01:17:16 --> 01:17:22
			And they also diverted green chips
away from India to go to Britain
		
01:17:23 --> 01:17:28
			and also stockpile for a putative
Allied invasion of the Balkans.
		
01:17:29 --> 01:17:32
			So Britain was not hungry during
the Second World War, despite all
		
01:17:32 --> 01:17:37
			the you vote attacks, but several
million Indians basically and in
		
01:17:37 --> 01:17:41
			Bengal, disproportionately Muslims
died as a result of those
		
01:17:42 --> 01:17:47
			manipulations of people. If you
look out the window of the train,
		
01:17:47 --> 01:17:51
			and there's people starving
children and corpses around, you
		
01:17:51 --> 01:17:55
			tend to think twice about the
alleged civilizing benefits of
		
01:17:55 --> 01:17:59
			colonial rule. And indeed, there
hasn't been a famine in India
		
01:17:59 --> 01:18:05
			since independence, were other
Imperial arguments. So that
		
01:18:05 --> 01:18:10
			Muslims have decided or that a
decision has to be taken, is it
		
01:18:10 --> 01:18:15
			going to be united Hindustan with
Muslims at about 25 or 30% of the
		
01:18:15 --> 01:18:19
			population or is the continent to
be divided, which tends to be the
		
01:18:20 --> 01:18:25
			British preference partly as a way
of saying, I told you so. 1940 The
		
01:18:25 --> 01:18:28
			Lahore resolution calls for
partition.
		
01:18:30 --> 01:18:31
			And
		
01:18:34 --> 01:18:38
			I say that Madani continues with
his polemic, he tends to be more
		
01:18:38 --> 01:18:42
			strongly anti British, but also
strongly out anti politician. And
		
01:18:42 --> 01:18:45
			you can see in his writings at
this time, anxieties about the
		
01:18:45 --> 01:18:50
			nature of modernity itself, the
technology, when weaponized is
		
01:18:50 --> 01:18:54
			infinitely more threatening than
anything human beings have seen
		
01:18:54 --> 01:18:59
			before. And that the breakdown in
order would be unbelievably
		
01:19:02 --> 01:19:07
			calamitous. So he writes about
Hindustan as a Muslim land and as
		
01:19:07 --> 01:19:10
			the his of the historic
responsibility of Muslims to
		
01:19:10 --> 01:19:14
			remain everywhere in the land in
order to continue the just the
		
01:19:14 --> 01:19:18
			process of proselytization and
converting people. He even has a
		
01:19:18 --> 01:19:23
			theory that because of Adam's peak
and Salon SriLanka, the first
		
01:19:23 --> 01:19:26
			human being on Earth was actually
an India but it was a person of
		
01:19:26 --> 01:19:29
			Tawheed. So in a sense, the
Muslims were in India before the
		
01:19:29 --> 01:19:33
			Hindus came along. So to say is
the Hindu nationalist that Muslims
		
01:19:33 --> 01:19:37
			are kind of foreigners doesn't
really make much sense. The
		
01:19:37 --> 01:19:41
			Muslims are the original Indians.
And the VirtIO in India is all
		
01:19:41 --> 01:19:45
			prophetic. It comes from the north
Mohammadi. And he also has an
		
01:19:45 --> 01:19:47
			interesting argument, I'm not
quite sure what to make of it,
		
01:19:47 --> 01:19:53
			that when Indians die, if they're
Hindus, they're cremated and they
		
01:19:53 --> 01:19:57
			kind of leave the Earth. But when
Muslims die, they're buried in the
		
01:19:57 --> 01:19:59
			land of India and therefore the
land is kind of full of
		
01:20:00 --> 01:20:02
			Muslim Muslim Nanda.
		
01:20:04 --> 01:20:08
			Interesting. So more attacks on
male Daudi as a kind of
		
01:20:09 --> 01:20:14
			philosopher, and somebody who's
unwilling to understand that so
		
01:20:14 --> 01:20:18
			much of Islam is about recognition
of local particularities, the
		
01:20:18 --> 01:20:21
			orphan that harder was modeled, he
tends to be purist and
		
01:20:21 --> 01:20:26
			ideological. And so nobody says a
normal son can never lead Muslims.
		
01:20:27 --> 01:20:31
			Live Nadodi has been brought up in
the Nizam of Hyderabad domains
		
01:20:31 --> 01:20:35
			where than his arm is ruining
substantially northern Muslim
		
01:20:35 --> 01:20:39
			population. So he's used to that
scenario than the Mowlana says,
		
01:20:39 --> 01:20:42
			What does that mean that you could
never have, for instance,
		
01:20:44 --> 01:20:47
			a non Muslim head of the post
office or a non Muslim headmaster
		
01:20:47 --> 01:20:51
			of the school or non Muslim,
anything with any position of
		
01:20:51 --> 01:20:57
			authority, he just doesn't accept
it. And as for the idea of Islamic
		
01:20:57 --> 01:21:02
			rule, and Islamic government and
Islamic State, he goes to very
		
01:21:02 --> 01:21:05
			meticulously says there is no
consensus amongst all of that as
		
01:21:05 --> 01:21:09
			to how the ideal form of
government for Muslims should be.
		
01:21:10 --> 01:21:14
			But one thing that you cannot have
is the idea of Islamic law,
		
01:21:14 --> 01:21:18
			becoming enacted as statutory law
because the Sharia doesn't work
		
01:21:18 --> 01:21:22
			like that. If you're westernized,
you assume Islamic law is like
		
01:21:22 --> 01:21:27
			British law and the legislature to
enact it. And it becomes the law
		
01:21:27 --> 01:21:31
			of the land. But Syria doesn't
operate like that, because it is
		
01:21:31 --> 01:21:35
			not state law. And it's not one of
the capacities of the of the
		
01:21:35 --> 01:21:37
			assault on to enact legislation.
		
01:21:39 --> 01:21:42
			We saw this when he talked about
Ebersole defending and how limited
		
01:21:42 --> 01:21:46
			were the actual powers of the
Ottoman Sultan, which is
		
01:21:46 --> 01:21:51
			counterintuitive, but it is the
case the Sharia is a local common
		
01:21:51 --> 01:21:51
			or
		
01:21:52 --> 01:21:57
			guild based bottom up type of
legislation that doesn't have any
		
01:21:57 --> 01:22:03
			kind of overarching control from
above. So his having a what we now
		
01:22:03 --> 01:22:08
			call Islamists on those grounds as
well. So he gets angry, he writes
		
01:22:08 --> 01:22:13
			traps, like an open letter to the
Muslim League, what is the Muslim
		
01:22:13 --> 01:22:17
			League? What is Pakistan? He talks
about gingers Islamic
		
01:22:18 --> 01:22:23
			inauthenticity and how his culture
is basically British rather than
		
01:22:24 --> 01:22:29
			Islamic. But not all the Allamah
agree with him should be Hamid
		
01:22:29 --> 01:22:32
			Osmani and others think that
things are going to get so bad
		
01:22:32 --> 01:22:35
			that we do need our independent
Pakistan and partition is the only
		
01:22:35 --> 01:22:43
			way. So 1947 He lives to the
horrors incredible cyclone of PATA
		
01:22:43 --> 01:22:47
			partition, millions massacred on
both sides and DCS.
		
01:22:49 --> 01:22:52
			People getting on trains leaving
Delhi and their children left
		
01:22:52 --> 01:22:57
			behind and 70% of the Muslim
population of Delhi leaves but he
		
01:22:57 --> 01:23:01
			doesn't leave he urges patients is
a summary of the role.
		
01:23:03 --> 01:23:07
			And together with Mallanna Zakaria
Candela, we they issue a
		
01:23:07 --> 01:23:11
			proclamation urging Muslims not to
leave Delhi since the Great Muslim
		
01:23:11 --> 01:23:15
			city with the great mosques and
the great shrines. And there's
		
01:23:15 --> 01:23:18
			Ahmed Ali, that whole
infrastructure, how can you
		
01:23:18 --> 01:23:22
			abandon it? How can you leave it
to others but still, most Muslims
		
01:23:22 --> 01:23:27
			in Delhi leave and as in
Hyderabad, a lot of other formerly
		
01:23:27 --> 01:23:30
			Muslim shaped places in the
subcontinent, then that kind of
		
01:23:31 --> 01:23:34
			sad places abandoned.
		
01:23:35 --> 01:23:42
			Partition takes place nonetheless,
despite his intentions, and He
		
01:23:42 --> 01:23:46
			then turns down a longtail band
into something less political
		
01:23:46 --> 01:23:52
			British are gone. And he focuses
more on trying to uplift the
		
01:23:52 --> 01:23:57
			remaining Indian Muslims to a
reform of a clock and aim.
		
01:23:59 --> 01:24:02
			And becomes a sort of significant
but not political figure in the
		
01:24:02 --> 01:24:06
			early years of independent India,
		
01:24:07 --> 01:24:09
			Lady 55, who makes his last Hajj
		
01:24:11 --> 01:24:11
			and
		
01:24:13 --> 01:24:17
			just two years before his death,
and he's able to go back via
		
01:24:17 --> 01:24:21
			Lahore by Pakistan to visit his
his pupils.
		
01:24:23 --> 01:24:25
			And then he goes on because the
borders were open in those days
		
01:24:26 --> 01:24:31
			back to Delve and unknowingly to
end with a quote that indicates
		
01:24:31 --> 01:24:35
			that despite the politics and
everything, he really should be
		
01:24:35 --> 01:24:41
			seen as a selfless Sufi watershed.
So this is one of the narratives
		
01:24:41 --> 01:24:43
			of his train journey back from
		
01:24:46 --> 01:24:47
			back from his Hajj.
		
01:24:49 --> 01:24:50
			This is
		
01:24:51 --> 01:24:52
			from
		
01:24:54 --> 01:24:58
			one of his editors When Hazrat
Maulana Madani returned from his
		
01:24:58 --> 01:24:59
			final hedge
		
01:25:00 --> 01:25:03
			We came to the station in the
horror for the honor of seeing him
		
01:25:03 --> 01:25:07
			shut off his era. And among those
in relationship with him was
		
01:25:07 --> 01:25:11
			Samsonite and Mohammed RF from
District Jang, which in the Punjab
		
01:25:11 --> 01:25:14
			who accompanied him as far as Dale
band. And he told me the following
		
01:25:14 --> 01:25:19
			story. On the train there was also
a Hindu gentleman who experienced
		
01:25:19 --> 01:25:23
			a call of nature and went to
attend to it. Clearly unhappy he
		
01:25:23 --> 01:25:27
			came right back. If you've been to
public toilets in that part of the
		
01:25:27 --> 01:25:30
			world, you'll understand why he
came back and he was still
		
01:25:30 --> 01:25:34
			uncomfortable. Anyway, hazard
Maulana Madani understood what had
		
01:25:34 --> 01:25:37
			happened, and immediately gathered
some empty cigarette packets and a
		
01:25:37 --> 01:25:40
			jug of water and went and cleaned
the toilet.
		
01:25:41 --> 01:25:44
			Then he said to the Hindu man,
please go the toilet is clean,
		
01:25:44 --> 01:25:47
			perhaps because it was nice, you
couldn't see it properly.
		
01:25:48 --> 01:25:52
			You said Molana. I saw how the
toilet was but he got up and went.
		
01:25:52 --> 01:25:55
			You found the toilet wasn't
completely clean. He was much
		
01:25:55 --> 01:25:59
			moved and with great conviction
said, Your Honors horizontal
		
01:25:59 --> 01:26:03
			kindness, cherishing of servants
is beyond comprehension. And
		
01:26:03 --> 01:26:07
			there's so many stories that are
told about him of that kind, which
		
01:26:07 --> 01:26:11
			kind of indicates what sort of
person that ilm, who is properly
		
01:26:11 --> 01:26:17
			inflicted by the slog of to so off
can be complete selflessness and
		
01:26:17 --> 01:26:21
			complete lack of self regard but
concern for others.
		
01:26:22 --> 01:26:26
			But of course, his vision of a
united Hindostan which Islam would
		
01:26:26 --> 01:26:32
			continue to progress didn't take
place. We don't know what the end
		
01:26:32 --> 01:26:36
			game will look like. But with both
sides, bristling with nuclear
		
01:26:36 --> 01:26:40
			warheads, and nationalists, louder
than ever on both sides, things
		
01:26:40 --> 01:26:42
			are looking a little bit ominous.
But in any case,
		
01:26:44 --> 01:26:50
			history is in Allah's hands. But
it is as well to bear in mind the
		
01:26:50 --> 01:26:55
			struggles of that generation. Lest
we think that religion and
		
01:26:55 --> 01:27:01
			authentic automat religion in its
highest form is about dichotomy
		
01:27:01 --> 01:27:04
			and polarization because it isn't.
		
01:27:05 --> 01:27:08
			Adam is Indian as well.
		
01:27:09 --> 01:27:13
			So thank you very much. I've got
to travel shortly, but in short,
		
01:27:13 --> 01:27:17
			and I will see you all the next
installments of these
		
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			leadership lectures. barnacle Olfi
call for Salam aleikum wa
		
01:27:21 --> 01:27:21
			rahmatullah.
		
01:27:24 --> 01:27:27
			Cambridge Muslim College, training
the next generation of Muslim
		
01:27:27 --> 01:27:28
			thinkers