Zakir Naik – Why Do the Muslims and Christians not Unite on What is Common between the Two Faiths
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The speakers discuss the importance of trusting Jesus Christ for life and not believing in the Bible. They criticize the pastor's message and emphasize the importance of belief in the church's historical precedent. The speakers also address the confusion between people of the Bible and the world and advise against repeating false and inaccurate statements. They stress the importance of belief in the church's teachings and the church's belief in Jesus Christ.AI: Transcript ©
My name is Victor
Kwemi.
I'm from Taraba State.
I've listened to your teachings on YouTube.
It's a privilege to be here with you
today.
My questions goes like this.
As a Christian,
I was raised
as a Christian,
I was raised in an interfaith family,
and I have close
friends who are Muslims.
I grew up surrounded by love
from both Christians and Muslims.
It is so clear to me that there's
goodness
in both religion, both Christian and Muslims.
My auntie, I said, it is so clear
that there is goodness
there is goodness in both religion, Christian and
Muslim. I have an auntie, one and only
auntie. She's a Muslim. My father is a
Christian,
and,
she's so loving.
So much love has been showed to me
by my Muslim friends
to an extent that I told them I
want to become a Muslim.
I was contemplating
conversion.
Then afterward, I started going to the mosque
with them, listening to the teachings.
From there,
I became to I sat down and think
one day.
Okay. The question is you know, speak. Okay.
The question is, if our faith
do not oppose each other
Our faith? Okay. If our faith do not
oppose each other, if our guiding figures like
prophets
Mohammed and Jesus, if their guidance, if their
teachings did not oppose each other,
then
why don't we channel our energy
into cultivating
a common goal?
I say, if Jesus' teaching and Mohammed teaching
do not interfere each other,
why don't we
now summon this energy
into cultivating
major things that they teach about? Jesus teach
about love,
respect,
harmony,
and likewise, Mohammed. Mohammed teach about love,
respect,
harmony,
togetherness. So my question is, why don't we
now
sum of this energy together
to teach each other about all these things
that the both prophet taught us
instead of maybe having a debate? Why don't
we have consider
interfering
initiative,
faith, and focus on serving humanity,
combating poverty,
disease, injustice, corruption. Why do you think about
this? Very good question. The brother asked a
very good question. He's a Christian. He says
that if the teachings of prophet Muhammad and
Jesus don't collide,
if they agree,
why don't we channelize all our efforts together
for harmony, for peace, rather than having debates?
That's what I'm asking the Christian missionaries.
Why do the Christian missionaries go away from
the teaching of Jesus Christ, peace be upon
him? According to me, the teachings of Jesus
and prophet Muhammad are the same. The Christian
missionaries are not following the teachings of Jesus.
How? A very good question. How?
Islam
is the only non Christian faith
which makes her an article of faith to
believe in Jesus Christ peace be upon him.
No Muslim is a Muslim if he does
not believe in Jesus Christ peace be upon
him. We believe that he was one of
the mightiest messengers of Allah.
We believe
that he was born miraculously
without any male intervention, which many modern day
Christian today did not believe. We believe
that he gave life to the dead with
God's permission. We believe that he healed those
born blind and lepers with God's permission. The
Christians and the Muslims, we are going together.
But where is the parting of faith? The
parting of faith is that most of the
Christians say that Jesus Christ, peace be upon
him, he claimed divinity.
He was god.
In fact,
if you read the bible,
there is not a single
unequivocal statement
in the complete bible where Jesus Christ, peace
be upon him, himself says that I am
God or where he says worship me.
If you can point out
any unequivocal statement,
any unambiguous statement
from anywhere in the bible where Jesus Christ,
peace be upon himself, says that I am
God or where he says worship me. I,
doctor Zakir Naik, am ready to accept Christianity
now.
I'm not speaking on behalf of the other
Muslim and brothers. I'm a student of comparative
religion. I'm going to put my head on
the guillotine.
I've read the bible. They have not.
There is not a single unequivocal statement, and
I repeat,
if any Christian
can point out a single unequivocal statement,
a single unambiguous statement
where Jesus Christ, peace be upon himself, says
that I am God, or where he says
worship me. I'm ready to accept Christianity.
Himself means it should be in red letter.
There is something like a red letter bible.
You know red letter bible?
Red letter bible means whatever Jesus Christ spoke
himself, it is put in red.
So never will you find anywhere where Jesus
Christ, peace be upon himself, says that I
am God, where is he worship? In fact,
if you read the bible, Jesus, case, peace
be upon him, says in gospel of John,
chapter number 14, verse number 28, my father
is greater than I. Gospel of John, chapter
number 10, verse number 29, My father is
greater than all. Gospel of Matthew, chapter number
12, verse number 28. I cast out devil
with the spirit of God. Gospel of Luke,
chapter number 11, verse number 20. I with
the finger of god cast out devil. Gospel
of John, chapter number 5, verse number 20.
Gospel of John, chapter number 5, verse number
30. I can of my own self do
nothing. As I hear, I judge, and my
judgment is just. For I seek not my
will, but the will of my father. Anyone
who says I seek not my will, but
will of almighty God, he's a Muslim. So
Jesus kept peace be upon him as a
Muslim. He never claimed divinity.
It's clearly mentioned in the gospel of Matthew,
chapter number 5, verse number 17 to 19.
It says, think not that I have come
to destroy the law and the prophets. Now
all this in that letter. If you open
the bible, all this is in that letter
means Jesus can
himself said. In gospel of Matthew, chapter number
5, verse number 72
19.
Think to not that I have come to
destroy the law or the prophets. I've come
not to destroy, but to fulfill.
And until the heaven and the earth pass
away, not one jot or title shall pass
away from the law until all be fulfilled.
Unless you and if anyone shall break one
of the least commandments and teach men, so
do so will be called least in the
kingdom of heaven. And whosoever
shall keep the commandments and take the sin
will be called great in the kingdom of
heaven. Unless your righteousness verse number 20. Unless
your righteousness
exceed the righteousness of the Sabbath and the
Pharisees, in nowhere shall you enter heaven. This
is verbatim
from King James version
of the bible, gospel of Matthew, chapter number
5, verse number 17 to 20. That's great.
Unless your righteousness
exceeds the righteousness of the scared and the
Pharisees, you shall not end the gender. That
means you have to follow all the teachings
of Moses. All earlier that God is 1,
he has got no image, and he has
got no idols.
It's further mentioned the gospel of John, chapter
number 14, verse number 24.
The words that you hear are not mine,
but my father who has sent me. Gospel
of John, chapter number 17, verse number 3.
This is life eternal so that you may
know that there's one God and Jesus Christ
whom thou hast sent.
It's mentioned in the gospel of Matthew chapter
number 19, verse number 16 and 17. When
one of the scribes come then tell Jesus
Christ, peace be upon him, good master,
what good things should I do so that
I shall attain eternal life? So Jesus can
reply, why thou callest me good? There's only
one good and that is father in heaven.
And if you want to enter eternal life,
keep the commandments. He didn't say that if
you want to go to heaven, you believe
I'm God. He never said that believe that
that on the cross for your sin. He
said if you want to enter eternal life,
keep the commandment. What is the commandment? God
is 1. He has got no image. Don't
make idol.
It's nearly mentioned in the book. Now all
these are saying of Jesus Christ. This is
not the saying of Jesus Christ. But it's
mentioned in the book of Acts, chapter number
2, verse 2.
Here, O Israel,
listen to this. Jesus of Nazareth, a man
approved of God amongst you
by miracles and signs and wonders, by miracles
and wonders and signs, which God did by
him, and you owe witness to it. Jesus
of Nazareth, a man approved of God amongst
you, by wonders and miracles and signs which
God did by him amongst you.
And when Jesus says, peace be upon last,
that which is the first of the commandment,
he replied in the gospel of Mark, chapter
number 12, first number 29 in red letter.
He said the same thing what Moses said.
Israel,
the Lord our God is one Lord. So
what you're suggesting,
I'm suggesting the same, but your Christian missionaries
are doing the opposite.
They are teaching wrong things about Jesus Christ
to the audience.
Where nowhere in the bible Jesus and divinity,
why do they say Jesus is God?
Why do they say Jesus is God?
So it is not matching. It is not
matching with the Quran. It's not matching with
the bible. They are deceiving the people.
Jesus never claimed divinity. So my argument is
I agree with you what is matching with
the Quran and the
bible.
We follow, but the Quran never said Jesus
is good. So why are they misguiding the
people?
Can you point out a single verse in
the bible?
An equiocal verse, unambiguous verse where Jesus himself
says he's God? Do you believe Jesus is
God?
I'm asking you, brother. Okay. Now let's come
to you. Forget about the other Christian. Forget
about the other let's talk about you and
me.
Do you believe Jesus is God or is
he a messenger of God?
You know,
I'm asking you a simple question.
Do you believe Jesus is God? Yes or
no? I believe that Jesus is God. And
I also believe that
I'm asking you one question. Through human flesh.
Through human flesh. Through human flesh. Where did
you mention?
No. I said, I believe that
Jesus is God who came to the world
through human flesh, but actually, I'm not Where
is this mentioned? Where is this mentioned in
the Bible?
Where it is mentioned?
And you are talking
What you are talking, I'll tell you. What
you are talking is gospel of John chapter
number 1.
I can give you.
Where you are talking from, this is not
the words of Jesus.
We are talking that Jesus came as the
word and the word became flesh. Correct? You
want me to give the reply?
What do you say? Do you want me
to give the reply?
What you're quoting what you're quoting, first of
all, is not the words of Jesus. What
you're quoting is gospel of John chapter number
1, verse number 1. In the beginning was
the word. The word was with God, and
the word was God.
Correct? Right. Then down the line, after few
verses, the word became
flesh. You're right. Correct. You're right. Right. Who
said this? Did did you say this?
I admire your knowledge.
You don't know, I know.
I'm a student of compassion.
This is not the words of Jesus. This
first verse,
in the beginning was the word. The word
was with God, and the word became God
is the writing of a Jewish by the
name of Philo of Alexandria.
He wrote it before Jesus Christ was born
and before John.
And he did not attribute any divinity to
it.
The person who wrote is not
John also. It's not Jesus. It's a Jew
by the name of Philo of Alexandria. You
read? History will tell you that.
Okay.
Now you're telling
that the word became God. That means Jesus
is God. Now let's
analyze.
Okay. Can put the word as God
if I agree with you for your argument.
And you're saying word is God. Jesus is
God. Correct? You said Jesus was the word,
it became flesh. It is God.
So let's substitute
word with God. So in the beginning was
the word, the word was with God, and
the word was God. In the beginning was
God?
Yes?
God was with God? I was with God.
Two gods. Yes. Yes. Two gods. Yes. Two
gods. From where?
Mistake.
God's. Mistake.
God is 1. How can there be 2
gods?
You're a very good Christian. That's why I
long list Yes. Definitely. Going deeper. Yes. Yes.
I'm explaining to you now. So if you
agree that Jesus was the word and became
flesh, let's and he's God, so let's substitute
word with God. So in the beginning was
God,
God was with God, God became God.
Doesn't make sense. Anyway, let me tell you.
Now,
you know the Bible
is written in Greek and Aramaic. It's not
in English.
The word for true God,
the word for God with a capital g
is
meaning the God.
And there's something like
with the small g,
means a godly person.
There's something like God, the God with the
capital g, and the godly person with the
small g. Correct?
Like how the bible says,
Moses was sent as a god to pharaoh.
God means a messenger.
Small g.
For the true god,
the word used
is Greek word. For the small g god,
it is.
So in the beginning was the word,
the word was with God. That God is
real
God.
In the beginning was the word, the word
was with god, capital g.
And in the beginning was the word, the
word was with god, and the word was
God. The next god is
meaning a small god like Moses, messenger of
God. Do you understand?
So according to the bible, it says in
the beginning was the word,
the word was the true God and the
word became a messenger.
So Jesus is a messenger,
and that messenger became flesh. No problem.
First of all, it's not the saying of
Jesus Christ. It's not in red letter. Yet
I entertain you
because I'm a student of the Bible. You
are not a student of the Bible. Correct?
I'm quoting from my memory.
Correct?
So according to the bible also, Jesus was
a messenger of God.
So I'm asking a simple question.
Point out a single unequivocal statement.
Single unambiguous statement
from anywhere in the bible where Jesus said,
I'm god of worship me. I'm ready to
accept Christianity.
If you can't,
you should accept Islam.
Accept Islam means believe Jesus is a messenger
of what, not God.
I don't really have problem with that.
No problem. God, I still have no patience.
Wait a minute. I'll answer. So you don't
have a problem in agreeing that Jesus is
a messenger. Correct?
I I don't have problem with that. Where
is it? Have questions. Now what's the question?
What's the question?
Yeah. One more question. The question I want
to ask you is
but before then, I want you to know
that I have deep admiration and respect
for Islam and Christian.
Alright. Only verbal respect doesn't carry weight.
Pardon? Verbal respect doesn't carry weight. It should
be practical. Verbal respect. Only the mouth said
it. It should be with reality.
No. No. No. It's a Yes. It should
be with man. My house. Okay. Continue.
However, I have question about religious
conversion.
I have question about someone converting
from one religion to the another religion.
I have question about somebody converting
from one religion to another.
And the question is
the question is we we have instances where
people are converting from Christian
to Islam.
Tomorrow you wake up, you see 1 Christian
convert you.
You see 1 I mean, you have instance
where someone will come back from Islam to
Christian. Tomorrow, you wake up, you see a
Christian convert into
I asked the brother to ask me directly
so that I can hear and I can
repeat where my microphone can be heard better.
The brother said he has a deep love
for Islam
and he respects Islam from bottom of his
heart. He was called by a friend. He's
asking the question that someday, one Muslim converts
to Christianity,
sometimes a Christian converts to Islam.
Why should we convert? What is the reason?
Correct? Your main question is why should you
convert?
Why should we consider one religion desirable better
than the other? It's question. Now you go
to one school,
which teaches 2+2 is equal to 3.
The other school teaches 2 plus 2 is
equal to 4.
The 3rd school teaches 2 plus 2 is
equal to 5.
Now, student
of 1st school goes to school number 2.
1st school teaches 2 plus 2 is equal
to 3.
2nd school teaches 2 plus 2 is equal
to 4.
3rd school teaches 2 plus 2 is equal
to 5. Brother, which is correct?
1st, 2nd, or 3rd?
I'm asking you, you know mathematics?
Which is correct? 1st, 2nd, or 3rd?
Correct.
That school that teaches 2 +2 is equal
to 4 is correct because you know maths.
As far as religion is concerned, I know
religion
very well.
As far as maths is concerned, you are
very good. So if a person goes from
school 1 to school 2, is he doing
correct or not? If a person changes from
school 1 to school 2, is he doing
correct or no?
From school number 1,
he goes to school number 2.
The first school teaches 2 +2 is equal
to 3.
The first school teaches 2 +2 is equal
to 3. He leave that school and goes
to the 2nd school with teaches 2 plus
2 equal to 4. Is he doing correct
or not?
Correct or no? Which school is correct? User
school number 2 is correct.
Yes.
Because first school is teaching 2 plus 2
is equal to 3. The second school is
teaching 2 +2 is equal to 4. So
it leaves school number 1 and joins school
number 2. Is he good or not? Correct.
Correct.
Correct. So school number 2 teaches 2 +2
is equal to 4. So the student of
school 1 leaves school 1 and joins school
2. Good student or not?
Good student.
A student from school 3 which teaches 2
people to 5,
leave their school and join school 2. Good
or right? Right. Now one student
changes from school 2 and goes to school
1.
He leaves the school teaching 2 plus 2
is equal to 4 because he's misguided by
someone,
and he joins the school that says 2
plus 2 is equal to 1. Is he
right or wrong? Wrong. Correct. So same way,
those who are leaving Islam and became a
Christian, they are wrong. And those who relieve
Christianity and come to Islam is correct. Why?
Allah says in the Quran in Surah Imran
chapter 3 verse number 19.
Islam, The only reason acceptable
in the sight of Allah is
Islam.
And
all the prophets of God, Adam,
Noah,
Abraham,
Moses,
Jesus,
Muhammad, peace be upon him, they thought there
is one God.
Now if someone comes and teaches you wrong
things,
no, God is 3 in 1. God became
flesh.
This is not part of the teachings of
Allah.
It's not the part of the teachings even
of the Bible.
It is the church which is teaching.
Even though the bible is changed,
it's not in the authentic form. Yet, I
can prove to you from the bible that
Jesus never claimed God, and I gave you
so many references.
So now you agreed that you have no
problem in accepting
that Jesus is a messenger. Very good. I'm
asking the question. Do you believe that prophet
Muhammad is a messenger?
You believe? Very good.
But do you believe
do you believe prophet Muhammad to be a
messenger of God?
Very good.
So to enter the school of Islam,
you require 2 things.
Number 1,
believe there is God, one God,
and believe that no one else is God,
not even Jesus.
Number 2, you have to believe that prophet
Muhammad
and prophet Jesus, both are messengers of God.
If you believe these two things,
you enter the fold of Islam.
Practicing, you know, becomes later. The minimum two
requirement to enter the school of Islam is
two things. Number 1,
believe that there is one God, and there
is no other God besides the true God,
Allah.
Jesus is not God. Muhammad is not God.
Moses is not God. Adam is not God.
Number 1. Number 2, believe that prophet Muhammad
and Jesus is a messenger of God. If
you believe in these two things, you can
become
admission into the school of Islam.
Would you like to admit yourself in the
school of Islam?
Did I ask you a question? No. Don't
look in the mobile. Don't look in the
mobile. Ask you a question.
You believe that there's one God?
You believe there's one God? I believe in
God. You believe there is one God? There's
one God. One God. One God. One God.
Yes. I believe there's one God. And you
believe Jesus is the messenger of God? Yes.
I believe that Jesus is the messenger of
God. I believe And then I'll do you
believe that prophet Muhammad is the messenger of
God? Yes. I believe prophet Muhammad is the
messenger of God. Yes. So if you believe
in this,
according to me you're a Muslim.
So He has a minimum two things required
for a person to become Muslim. Later on,
praying 5 times, giving zakat, fasting will come
slowly. But to enter Islam,
you have to believe these two things.
There's one God
and prophet Muhammad is the messenger of God.
So going to be a Muslim,
would you like to say it in Arabic?
Do I what? Would you like to say
that in the formal way in Arabic?
He agrees that there is one God.
He agrees that Jesus is the messenger of
God. He also agrees that prophet Muhammad is
the messenger of God. He wants to ask
one question,
one question before he accept Islam.
He said you gave the example of 2
plus 2 is equal to 4, 2 plus
2 is equal to 3, 2 plus 2
is equal to 5. Leave that aside.
Can you show me in the Quran
where does it say that who qualifies to
be a Christian
and who qualifies
to be a Muslim.
Very good. Very good.
Now,
Quran says
that the original followers of Jesus
are Muslims.
Allah says in Surah Imran chapter 3 verse
54.
Verse before that,
the helpers of Jesus
and Jesus said, I am Muslim. So the
true believers of Jesus, the Quran says a
Muslim.
But
Quran also says that those people who have
been misguided
For example, I quoted the verse of the
Quran,
but not full.
Of Surah Imran chapter 3 was 110.
If the people of the book had faith,
it would have been better for them. If
the Christians
and Jews
had faith,
it would have been better for them.
Among them, there are some few who are
believers
like you.
But the majority
are transgathers.
Among
them,
there are some who are believers.
Believers mean Muslims.
Mean
Muslims.
But
majority
are fasting at yourself.
And Allah gives the example.
Allah is giving the example of those people
who are misguided.
They say
they are doing kufra.
With these misguided Christians,
they are blaspheming
those who say
Jesus is Allah.
But that's right.
But that's right. You have an Israel. O
children of Israel. My
lord and your lord.
And 5 shall be dwelling place, and he
shall have no purpose in the hereafter.
Here you are having examples of true Muslims.
Among the Christians there are 2 groups,
the true believers
and the misguided.
Allah is saying
They are doing kuf.
They are blaspheming.
Those who say Jesus is God.
But said Jesus Christ, peace be upon him.
Oh, when Israel, oh, children of Israel,
oh, wudullah, worship
anyone who associate partners with God.
Allah will make for him.
And 5 shall be dwelling place, and he
shall have no helpers in the hereafter.
So this verse is talking about the Christians.
Some who are believers like you,
who believe that Jesus is not God, he's
a messenger of God, who also believe that
God is 1,
and who believe prophet Muhammad is the messenger.
But the majority,
they are misguided.
I have a question to ask you. Alright.
You said one question. There are other people
in the queue, brother. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Brother.
Yes. Brother.
You have to be yeah. There are 5
people waiting. There are not so much time.
Okay. Just a second. Do you believe There
are too many people waiting, brother. They have
to understand. Do you believe in teachings of
Jesus Christ? Do you believe in? Did you
believe in the teachings of Jesus?
I believe in the true teachings of Jesus,
not the false teachings.
Does this not the false and true teachings?
Of course.
I told you.
I told you false and true. People are
claiming Jesus claimed divinity. Never did divinity.
I'm a student of comparative religion. Tell me
to do false teaching of Jesus. True false
teaching. Yes. For the church says, Jesus claimed
divinity. He never did that.
This is a false teaching of church.
So false teaching of church, you start thinking
it is correct.
Correct? So Jesus never claimed divinity.
That's what the Quran says.
That's what the Bible says.
Not my will, but thy will be done.
But if you believe in the teachings of
Jesus, and I believe in the teachings of
prophet Muhammad,
and both of us believe in the teachings
of these 2 powerful
Correct. Message of We have to believe in
the true teachings of Jesus.
I told you a Muslim cannot be a
Muslim unless he believes in Jesus Christ peace
be upon him. But the true teaching, not
the teaching of the church. So the biggest
culprit here is the church.
The church is not following the Bible.
Well, if the church follows the Bible, everyone
will become Muslims.
The church doesn't want the people to follow
the Bible. You understand? Because they keep on
telling wrong things about the Bible. I'm a
student of comparative religion.
I studied the Bible, and I turned with
the commonalities and tell the world.
So literally you've read the real bible that
was written in the original language? Yes. No.
The bible is there even though the bible
is changed.
Even in the changed and the corrupted form
of the bible, what the church says is
not there.
So church is misguided people so that they
get money.
You understand? They get popularity,
they get money, you go and believe them.
So that way, I'm come here to tell
the truth.
So now, brother,
there are already 4 people meeting. Correct?
What do you like to say in Arabic?
What do you say in English?
Just one thing. The last. No, no. We
cannot. It will be wrong. It will be
haram.
I'll be doing a sin. There are 5
people waiting. You already have 5 questions. Correct?
So I have to be you don't have
to be kind. I've asked to be You
told I have to be kind and just.
It will be long. Okay. Okay. Yes. You
can wait after the after the question is
over. I will join them and come back.
No. No. After the but would you like
to say the shahada in public now? You
said you will say twice.
I will say and then you didn't say.
I will say you didn't say. Are you
trying to fool me?
No. No. No. No. Okay. So, Nwam, my
question is, do you want to say the
shaza in Arabic?
I'm just trying to be
rational about one thing. Why the recording is
going on? You are very rational.
No. You don't see us. 1 question, answer.
2nd question, answer. 3rd question, answer.
If you don't want to do, don't do.
I'm not forcing you. No. No. No. I'm
not forcing you. The recording is there.
You are very kind down.
We don't allow our discussion.
Yes. Yes. Wait. Wait. Listen listen to me.
Listen to me. Okay.
I'm not forcing you to accept Islam. Yes.
Correct? The recording is going on. I answered
your question. You asked one more question. I
answered your question. You asked one more question.
You said, okay, I agree that Jesus is
a messenger. Okay. Answer this question then I
say, I came there. Okay. Answer. Now you
say 2 more question.
I cannot
misguide the people. They're waiting there.
Don't want to say don't say I'm not
forcing you. Want to say say, you'll be
truthful. You don't want to be truthful, don't
want to say don't say. I cannot let
them wait longer. Yeah. It is not You
can deceive the people. I cannot. Yeah. It
is actually embracing any religion is on their
hearts. Of course. For 1 before one will
embrace a certain religion,
he will be distracted by a lot of
thoughts. How you Fine. If you don't want
to accept, don't accept. You told me one
question you told thrice. I answered all 3.
Now you're asking 2 more. You are trying
to deceive me. You should have told me
there are 10 questions. I'll succumb afterwards.
No. No. No. No problem. If you're not
convinced,
no problem. The world is watching you.
Yes. The world is watching you doing live
telecast. Yes. But just one thing that makes
me feel good. Let's not waste time, please.
Other people are there. You want to say
the shadar, say don't want to say, don't
say.
Yes. No problem.
Don't say I made a mistake. Sorry. No.
No. No. I didn't make a mistake. Say
sorry and step down.
I'm sorry. Yes. No problem.
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