Zakir Naik – Dr Debates with an American Atheist

			Hello, Dr. Zucker nyck. My name is Harris, I'm from Phoenix, Arizona in the United States, an
entrepreneur and a marketing manager. Two of my friends in America have converted, watching YouTube
videos of you. One of them a Christian, one of them an atheist.
		

			One of my friends presented me with how to deal with an atheist DVD of yours, which I did watch. But
that didn't answer my question. And I've asked this question to a lot of people with no satisfactory
answers a lot of intelligent people, of all the scholars that I've ever watched on YouTube, in my
opinion, you are the most rational, logical, easy to understand kind of scholar that I've ever come
across in my life.
		

			And it is really important that this question is answered, because I've never had a satisfactory
answer for this question. My question is like the coin with two sides. The first side of it is this.
And this is a question. I'm somewhere between an atheist and agnostic, I'm not sure where
		

			God has created this entire universe. And the Quran speaks a lot about how it has taken so many days
and mountains and this and that, and life is going to be a test and whatnot. My question is,
		

			way before God decided to create this entire universe before he decided to put human beings before
he decided to send Prophet Muhammad or Adam and Eve, way before he even planned about doing any of
this, he knew the end result of it, he knows. In the end, he will be disappointed by certain people,
and he will throw them in the Hellfire he knows they will be burning, he knows they will be tortured
and added that is when they will be repenting for what they've done. Way before he created the
entire universe, he knows the outcome is going to be bad. It may be good for certain people were in
heaven, but he knows that he can save those people from being in * way before he even decided to
		

			go ahead with the creation. Yet he decides to go ahead with it with all his godly logic. Why would
he want to do that? The question if I can just put it in this manner? How can God be so sadistic
that he would actually go ahead with the plan, which he knows is going to end up in that matter?
That's the first side of the coin. The second side of the coin is for some reason if I believe that,
okay, God is all Almighty and he understands everything is great, God is great. Why is God insisting
in the Quran? That look at the mountains, look at the protons, electrons this and that everything is
so synchronized, how amazing I am. Why is it forcing us to find his creation amazing when it is a
		

			piece of cake for God? I mean, he just had to say, Kuhn, and it was done, then why is it a big deal
of God has made this entire universe which is so amazing, because for God, it's nothing. So I should
not be really amazed at his creation, he can do much more than this. So I do not understand why he
wants us to respect what he's done or find it amazing what he has done. The last a very good
question, and a very intellectual question. The third question, and yeah, seen some of my tapes on
YouTube, even of atheism, and this question that is troubling him, he hasn't got the answer to
		

			the question, that Almighty God knows everything. Before he created the heavens and the earth before
a good human being. Even if one person goes to *, *, he could have avoided that and he could
avoid being disappointed. Of course, I'll reply, the brother said, even if one person goes to *,
it is as though God would be disappointed.
		

			Now coming to your question, I failed the school. I started a school. And you may have heard Islamic
International School. If a teacher takes an examination.
		

			If she's just
		

			while she is giving the examination, she writes in the math paper two plus two is equal to how much
the student in front of her or him the teacher, right fi, she can very well tell the student change
five to four.
		

			Would it be just on the teacher during the test and examination? To correct have to do writing or
wrong answer? If she has an option that the student doesn't need to do any of that? No.
		

			Question I must be a simple question. The teacher have given the question paper, all the students
right. for that particular situation was bad particular situation the teacher can tell their student
change five to four. What will the other students think about I'm just proud I can be just at the
same time he can create a complete completely different condition. He doesn't have to go over that
situation. He's not bound by any situation. Brother thing God Almighty God can create something
which is perfect.
		

			Done will not make mistakes right now God has already done he created angels. God created the
angels, the angel never go against any commandment of God. But human being is a better creation than
Angel. The angels have no free will of their own. If you have heard my tape if you have not done
I'll tell you now, the angels are a creation of Almighty God but not the best creation. Almighty God
created the human beings, the human being they have a freewill to go against God or to follow God.
If you have chosen to be a human being, if you disobey a commandment, you go to *, if you obey
his commandments, you're superior than the angel was the angel doesn't have a freewill of his own,
		

			then he follows God is nothing great. The human beings are the better creation of Almighty God,
Almighty God has given a free will. That's a different question that Almighty God knows because he
has Elma gab, he has knowledge of the future he is more superior. So yes created such a creation
which are the Free Will the fault is of human being not God. Now when God has created us with that
fault, and he knows not fault it's not fault brother, it is free will. Why is he given us everybody
knows he's gonna eventually put these many people in *, why is he doing something that different
creation? That would you want to create something which can think on its own? Or would we want to
		

			someone so compassionate is
		

			what you want what has already created angel? I'm asking you which is better, and Angel following
Almighty God or human me following Almighty God which is better for me? Absolutely. If I get a
second chance I would want to be an angel. Why would I risk? Correct. That's why Almighty God says
in Surah, chapter number seven, verse number 172, Almighty God bought all the human beings from the
line of Adam and Adam is their man, God all agreed, Almighty God says in chapter 59, verse number
21, if Almighty God revealed the Quran, on the mountain, the mountain would shatter down Almighty
God say the
		

			number 52 is the human being you have fools who said we want to be human being you and you enable
fools. Now you can backtrack 1/5 and you want to appear for the test. Once you read the test paper,
nobody asked me that they asked Adam and Eve Nova the Quran faith, every human being was asked and
then it is washed off. This memory is washed off. If the memories are laid the test Almighty God
says in the Quran, do you want to be a human being? If you become a human being you can become
superior to an engine or can get inferior? If you don't want to become a human being just pass
easily for argument.
		

			You ask the question, right?
		

			Answer. Sure Go ahead. So Almighty God asked the human beings and the Quran faith v. Human beings
are fools. You and I both were fools who opted for the test. Now once you undergo a test, if you
follow the commandment after free, will you be superior to an angel? If you disobey Allah, you
become inferior to an angel. We wanted to pass with distinction una. Una. You told I don't remember.
Of course you will not remember anyone I don't remember. But I believe in the Quran on the Day of
Judgment, Almighty God faith, not a single human being will object to the justice of Allah. That
will come to know on the day of the only thing will say please give us one more chance Almighty God
		

			will say it's too late. Because if he wants to give you a new Jonathan Allah to come back in the
world again.
		

			Again, everyone, so those who failed, he can get only the failures. So the Quran fails no one will
ever object on the justice of Allah. They will request Allah give us one more chance Almighty God is
a too late. Almighty God gives us chances in this world itself. You make a mistake. Allah gives you
a chance to repent, you repent, Allah forgives you, again, you make a mistake, all the once you die.
It's only one so far. The first question is concerned. Why did God create because it's a better
creation. Any logical person, including you has to agree that the person who has the free will is a
better creation than a person who has no free will. Only a question you do remember is perfectly
		

			right. When you die when you're resurrected, that then you and I will meet. Then you will say I
remember even I don't remember now but that faith in the Quran that Quran cannot be wrong, because
scientifically if you heard my lecture
		

			in person of the Quran is 100% matching with science 20% is ambiguous neither right neither wrong.
So my logic faith when 80% is 100% correct. And not even point 1% of the 20% is wrong. So my logic
says even this 20% would be right. I'm a scientific person. I'm a logical person. So I believe in
the statement of the Quran that we choose
		

			If you wouldn't have chosen you could have questioned God. Why did you make me a human being? Then
God would have been at fault. But God says in the Quran he asked the mountains were afraid.
Everything is afraid v human beings opted for this. Do you remember being asked? I don't remember
being asked. But if you heard my answer, I mean, I don't remember. But if you remember the very the
test.
		

			Imagine if a teacher teaches you something.
		

			teacher teaches you something. teacher gives you the book, the teacher has to take over the book for
the test. If the teacher says okay, take the book and answer. Where is the test? Okay, but what?
		

			After the exam, you can go home and check on the even before the exam again.
		

			Listen to me, after the examination over Can you go and check home or not in the textbook?
Absolutely. But during the examination, Daniel check. No. So now the examination is going on
brother. Once it's over, you can check.
		

			If
		

			I want to see the textbook, I don't remember no. During the examination, you cannot refer to the
textbook it will be called cheating.
		

			So once the examination is over, if you don't remember, you tell God what is illogical. But Quran
says not a single human being will object to the justice. Let the tell
		

			so today I being a scientific person, I began to seek a person based on my knowledge of science
based on my logic, when I read the scriptures, I when I read the Quran, I find Quran is the only
book only religious scripture on the face of the earth, which passes this test. So therefore, I
being a scientific person, being a logical person, I agree. Okay, fine. This statement of the Quran
also has to be right. I don't remember that the test if I remember when
		

			that answers the first part of the question.
		

			First part, that saying that God was sadist?
		

			God is not finished. For example, I found a medical college.
		

			I want the school students to go to medical. How many students who go to school? Enter the Medical
College. Just roughly Can you guess? Few? Surely less than 5%?
		

			Less than maybe 1%.
		

			So why did you make a college only one person can enter five? It is a selected few. Same way God
made heaven. Jenna, Jenna different those. Everyone cannot go to those. Why not? Sorry. Why not? Why
can't every Why can't everyone go to medical college because it's human capacity. If humans were
capable of being able to get everyone to medical college they would. That's the way we are made. The
same way everyone cannot become a doctor. Only those who have the capacity. Same way everyone cannot
go to the high levels of paradise. We have to strive God has given you capacity. If you don't follow
His guidance, you cannot. If you follow His guidance to go to journal very easy.
		

			If you're intelligent, it's very, if you're intelligent, and if you're truthful to yourself. But if
you're not truthful to yourself, even a non intelligent man can
		

			only thing you should be truthful.
		

			God has given you different options, how to follow him. Some people think they are smart.
		

			I tell them the extra smart if there was mad they would he discussed here in black and white. That
this is the word of God you have to follow it. That Verizon Francis Bacon said little knowledge of
science make you an atheist, in depth knowledge of science make you a believer in God.
		

			So I wouldn't say God is sadist. I think Viva fools who opted to undergo the test.
		

			not God. God gave you an option
		

			or do you want to be V chose to be a responsible not God? God is not a sadist. We are fools that for
the Quran fail on the day of the admin you will come to know insha Allah una both inshallah life are
going to Jana inshallah, inshallah I pray to God as Thank God you know our the good person that used
to be a human being, if you pass that if you fail, then we will get our own filth Hope that answers
the question the second part. So the order the second part, that even if I believe how Almighty He
is how knowledgeable he is, why is he so bent on convincing us look at the mountains look at the
electrons look at the protons. The second part of the question was that why does Almighty God give
		

			references of the mountain that is created this? for him? It is peanuts. So why is he talking? You
know why the thing? He thinks these peanut things mountain? They would shudder you You mean me with
superior? Why don't you understand? Oren says
		

			Surah hasher chapter 59 verse 21, had the Quran mean revealed on the mountain, the mountain will
have fallen down
		

			to utter ruin. But to us human mean it must not defeat giving these examples to show that these
things which are so powerful the mountain the set of witches created would have submitted devil. Why
don't you human? Me too. He's trying to give an example, that we are fools. He's not trying to
praise himself. And whenever we pass along to praise him, or when he says, for which Allah Akbar,
		

			God is the greatest, do you think it will change a learner, whether it's 1000 times a lower birth or
a million times, he cannot become greater, he's already the greatest. The reason we feel these
things is because it is our human mentality, our human nature, that we follow the people who are
famous, we follow the people who we praise, for example, your mother has a heart attack.
		

			There is unknown person on the street, who gives you the treatment? And you heard that the best
heart specialist in the world is Dr. x.
		

			No, will you follow Dr. X's advice? Or the person on the street who you don't know Dr. x? Why?
Because Dr. X is famous people know him. He's the best in the world, to the reason in our Salah. In
our life, we say Allahu Akbar, Allah is the greatest ally the most wise, alive the most intelligent
way. If we say that it doesn't benefit Allah, it benefits us. That if we praise Him, we follow him.
If we follow Vigo to Jana, to Allah, it makes no difference.
		

			Therefore, Allah says, Will you not then believe really not and understand that when the Quran is
revealed to the people for understanding, so he's giving you the example not to make himself great.
He's always the greatest, whether you say a million times Allah is the Greatest, it will not make a
difference to Allah. He's telling it to you. Allah says in the Quran, Allah does not require you,
you require him. So when we praise Him, it is human psychology, that the person who prays person you
talk great about you tend to follow the advice by following his advice, it will benefit you it will
not benefit him. He is already the greatest, he is already the merciful. So these are rules and
		

			regulation laid down. He is our Creator, he knows our mindset, you are a student of science,
correct. I am also a student of science, the moment they come to know, Allah mentioned the
scientific fact which we came to know today 50 years by
		

			increasing my faith in Allah. Allah says in Surah facilite, Chapter 41, more 53 sonnerie My Athena
fella fucky. But the unforeseen had a turbine or no luck. Soon we shall show them over signs in the
further regions of the horizons and into the soul, and literally clear to them that this is the
truth. So Allah is giving these examples. So that benefits for him, it makes no difference.
		

			It is benefiting us. So he is giving us the chance
		

			to follow him so that we can go to heaven. Hope that answers the question whether I recognize his
power. And I understand he's amazing and all that that he's done. But am I expected to be amazed at
his achievements at creating this universe? Because for me, for him, it's like a one second job. Got
it? Right. So for him one second job, when he tells you not to call, if you should be amazed. That's
creation? No. See, the thing is, is that he is not there to prove himself better. If you believe
that for him. It is peanuts. So will a person lie? No. So if he said Don't ever call, you will not
question now. Don't have hope. You're not questioning. But I'm not amazed at his creation, because
		

			for him is nothing compared to others. It's amazing. For him, it's nothing right? But compared to
alpha person who can create the universe, when he tells me not to have alcohol, I immediately follow
		

			following him, but do I have to be amazed at his creation, as I said in the Quran, see, as you asked
me the question, should I be amazed at the creation, right? I would say if I believe human beings
are the better creation, then yes, I'm amazed. And then as the Alhamdulillah he has made me better
than that. So if I'm amazed, he made the mountains, he made the stars he made the sun. But he made
the organic also. He made a human being. And we are the best of creation. So he gives us examples so
that we realize what benefit he has given to us. All the favor they've given to us. Talking about
the science, talking about the protocols, talking about the mountains, finally with human beings are
		

			the best creation. So in comparison,
		

			we have to agree that our Creator has created this human body, the model
		

			Use the DNA, the complex thing, which can never come by chance. For in this way, we are amazed at
the creation of the human being. And then we submit to Him.
		

			If you're not amazed, only by being amazed, we submit that he is our Creator, he's worth worshiping.
No one else can do that. This is for that. We worship Him. And we pass the test and we go to
Paradise. Hope now this is a question. If Bill Gates gives me $100 should I be amazed that He has
given me that money? I believe that the question has been answered and unfortunately we are very
constricted for time you are welcome to come back tomorrow. Insha Allah, as with all of the brothers
and sisters, we have come to the end of tonight's session. So please, I really believe that Bill
Gates gives you $100 to be amazed, will you get amazed? Brother? The question is, why should bill
		

			get give you $100?
		

			If you tell me a Tom, Dick and Harry give you $100 nothing to be Bill Gates. Give me $100
		

			it's something that he gave you Why did he give you what somebody else? Why? The question is Why did
he give you is a question.
		

			If some Tom Dick and Harry give you if a man on the street gave
		

			Bill Gates
		

			Got it.
		

			Got it. I got that.
		

			Yes, absolutely. That is the answer for insha Allah hope
		

			they will come closer to Islam. So I should not be amazed at the fact that he's given me the money I
should be amazed as him was given the money. I
		

			thought it was worth the time extending an umbrella.