Zakir Naik – A Christian Lady Asking about Sin as a Universal Problem
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The speakers discuss various references to the Bible and the church's teaching, including the use of "has" in context and the importance of not giving a function to God. They emphasize the need to clarify the meaning of begotten and emphasize the importance of following the church's teachings rather than getting stuck in their own beliefs. They also discuss the title of the speaker's book and clarify that they have the title of Jesus Christ.
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Okay. My name is testimony.
Sorry? My name is testimony.
Testimony? Yes, sir.
Okay.
So this question particularly is directed to doctor
Shaikh
Farick Nack.
During his lecture, he made mention of
the solutions that Islam provides to the world.
So now my question is,
sin is the particular
problem that humanity has and it is generalized.
The same problem that a Nigerian has, which
is the same problem that someone in Finland
has, which is also seen. But then
if someone is poor, it's not everyone that
is poor. So that's that's not the only
problem. But in regards to God, the problem
that we had is sin. But in in
in life, in humanity, we have so many
others. But particularly this lecture is regarding
man and God. So I want us to
be particular about the sin we're regarding, which
is sin. And then, sir, you made a
you made a statement earlier that if someone
can show you from the scripture,
if and where God, where Jesus was spread
to us God, you will You didn't say
I said that. Sir? He didn't say that
I said that. No, you, you, yes. I
made I made mention of you, sir. I
beg your pardon.
So you said that if some if anyone
here can show you from the bible where
Jesus was referenced as God, you will receive
Jesus. Behalf. I said anyone can show me
a single
unequivocal
statement. Okay. I beg your pardon.
Unambiguous statement Thank you. From anywhere in the
bible, where Jesus Christ, peace be upon himself,
says,
I am God, or where he says worship
me, I am ready to accept Christianity now.
Put me full. Don't put me half. I'm
so sorry, sir. If you put me half,
then No. So sorry, sir. I get you.
No, ma'am. Yes. In full, I was about
to I was reading and thank you to
mention everything you just said in full. So
now my my my my my my gift
now is that
Jesus was not, referenced as God. He's not
referenced as God. He's not referred to as
God. He's not referenced as God. He's not
referred to as as son of God. Son
of. His reference as the son of God.
And then sir, from Matthew chapter 1
Shh.
Leave silence.
Silence. Yes. Sir, for Matthew chapter 1 verse
21,
it's stated there that, and she shall give
birth to a child and thou shall call
Matthew chapter 1 verse 21. 21, sir. Yeah.
What does it say? Yes. It says that
and she shall give birth to a son
and thou shall call his name Jesus for
he shall save his people from their sin.
Okay, sir. And again, we have seen from
John 3 verse 15, 16, 17, 18. He
said, I'm trying to paraphrase now. He said
that,
for God so loved the world that he
gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth
in him
okay. You want me to reply that? 1st,
I'll reply to those 3, then you can
give the next one, please. Okay, sir. You
have given 3 references.
I'll come to my son's sin afterward. You
said that Jesus Christ, peace be upon him,
he's not God, he's son of God. Yes,
sir. Sister, Bible has got sons of God
by the tongues.
Adam was son of God.
Ephraim was son of God. Israel was son
of God.
Book of Romans chapter number 8 verse number
34. All those who are led by the
spirit of God, they are sons of God.
Thank you.
God, even your daughter of God. True. So
no, so what's the problem?
Okay.
You are saying
the son of God came to take you
away from sin. Every messenger of God is
a son of God. I have no problem.
Moses was son of God in that context.
Adam was son of God. Prophet Muhammad was
a meaning godly person.
Meaning, taking him to the message of God.
Even Moses, peace be upon him, give the
message of God. The Bible says that even
prophet Muhammad give the message of God. So
what is the difference? I'm coming to it.
So I quoted the first one, son of
God. That's right. I finished now. Your third
one is, gospel of John.
Mhmm.
And the reference is?
3 verse 15, 16, 17, 18.
Not the it's only gospel of John chapter
3 verse number 16. Only 16. No, sir.
The explanation is in context. I'll come to
you.
You only quoted 16.
You never went to 17. Okay. So hear
me. Gospel of John chapter number 3 verse
number 16 said, for God, so I'm giving
verbatim now. Verbatim from King James version. Yes.
Verbatim. You know you know what is meaning
of verbatim? Yes. I know, sir. What to
word? From which version? From King James, sir.
Because there are 1,000 versions in the bible.
New international, New World Translation,
Pentecostal, American Standard Version. I'm calling from King
James version, which is more than 50% of
the Christian follow.
So gospel of John chapter number 3 verse
number 16 say, for God so loved the
world
because the Christians say, no no no no
no. Jesus is a normal son.
And they quote gospel of John chapter number
3 verse number 16. For God so loved
the world that he gave his only begotten
son, begotten,
not made. So that God, soul of the
world that He gave His only begotten son,
whosoever believeth in Him shall not die, but
everlasting life.
Now,
what is the meaning of the word begotten?
Sister, do you know the translation of the
English word begotten?
Got it from somebody. What is the word
meaning of the English word begotten? You said
the word, I'm asking you the meaning.
It means gotten from something. Begotten begotten. Oh,
your
English is very good. Begotten means it's the
lower animal function of *.
Begetting is an animal act. You open up
for dictionary.
Begetting is an animal act.
That means you have * and then you
beget a son.
You you open English, you know English? Open
oxford dictionary. Okay, sorry sir. That is the
reason we object.
We object to this word begotten given to
God. So what to do? So if you
read the revised standard version of the King
James version, revised by scholars
of the highest eminence backed by 50.
They say this word begotten is an interpolation,
is a fabrication,
is a concoction, and they threw it out
of the bible.
You don't know this. Okay. Who threw it?
Not Muslim scholars,
not Hindu scholars,
Christian scholars.
32 Christian scholars
of the highest eminence
backed by
50 different corporation denominations.
You read the RSV,
the revised standard version. They say, this word
begotten
is a interpolation.
It's a fabrication.
It is not then the original manuscript. So
the watch keeps pinging to so much
has been thrown out of the Bible.
Okay, sir. If Okay, sir. What? Okay, sir.
That me that me that me. I have
another Let me let me Let me let
me Let me let me you can explain
what I just said. I don't
These are top scholars of the world, of
the Bible.
So we go back to the original Romans
chapter number 8 verse number 38, that whosoever
is led by the spirit of God, he's
the son of God. So if you say
Jesus is son of God, of course he's
son of God. He's a messenger of God.
We have no objection in that. But don't
say he's the begotten son of God. You
cannot give this function to Allah
You can't give function to almighty God. You
cannot say that he's like an animal begetting,
having *.
So that's the reason these scholars
who God gave them knowledge, they did research
and they found out this was in the
side footnotes
and it came into the text. So they
threw it out of the bible
as a concoction,
as a fabrication,
as interpolation.
So if you read the revised version of
the Bible, it's not there.
Okay. It's been thrown out. So one word
you're clinging to. Okay, sir.
For God soul of the world is thrown
out.
Anyway, this verse doesn't say that Jesus claimed
divinity.
It doesn't
it doesn't qualify my challenge.
Aniquiocultural statement from the bible where Jesus Christ,
peace be upon himself, said, I am God
always worship me. You haven't taken the challenge
yet. Okay. I have to answer the first
question of my son. Okay, sir. You're asking
3, 4 question. You have to ask 1
question at a time. Oh, I beg your
pardon, sir. You just firing question question question.
You listen to the answer. Okay. So first
you have to agree that what verses you
quoted now is a fabrication of the Bible.
So you should agree, this cannot prove he's
God. You have to agree. Okay. So why
are you saying So far, do you agree
or not? If you don't agree, it's a
waste of my time. I'm banging my hand
against a brick wall. Sir, I beg your
pardon. If you can't understand English, it is
30 to Christian scholars. You say, okay, doctor.
I will go and do research. Okay. No
problem. Say that at least. Be like a
good woman, a truthful lady.
Don't be like
a don't be like a person who wants
to I'm quoting you from my God given
computer.
Correct? So say, doctor, okay, I will go
and verify your claim. No problem.
Be at least be at least truthful in
saying that rather than hiding behind something.
Coming to your first question. Coming to your
first question.
You told about my son. Yes, sir. Solution
to the problems of humanity.
Sin is a universal problem, your sister said.
I told you sin is not universal. Again,
you're repeating.
According to us, every child is sinless. Okay,
sir. Because in the scripture that for all
my dad now, for And He gave the
solution to sin also. That's the problem
of The solution to sin is
following the Quran.
The solution to the sin is following the
Quran. If you did not listen to the
talk, what can I do?
Therefore, I told you, you go
on the YouTube, Google, sheikh Farik
Nai. Is Islam the solution? For a little
time. Let me complete the answer.
Okay. You are telling something?
Yes, sir. It's it's okay. It's okay. We
are taking much from you. We We have
taken much from you. I think he has
Your first question
is sin is there. Yes. But everyone is
not sinless.
Everyone is not sinful. There are many people
who are sinless. It's a big problem. We
agree. What is the solution to follow the
Quran?
It is the devil it is the devil
which inspires you to kill any other human
being. That's how terrorism comes. It's the devil
which inspires you to rob. All these are
parts of sin. If If you haven't heard
his lecture, what can I do?
These are types of different sins.
Okay. And the solution is following the Quran.
You only want to say sin is, you
know, sin is Adam wiped the apple and
Eve wiped the apple. We are born in
sin. You are miscoding the Quran.
Sorry, the Bible. You are misquoting the Bible.
You don't know this is the teaching of
the church. I'm here to talk about the
Bible, not about the church. If the church
is misguiding you and if you get misguided,
you have to blame, not me. I beg
your pardon, sir. Sorry. I beg your pardon,
but that's just the reality. I'm so convinced
about it. And I have a lot of
proof. So many scriptures over 20, I can't
Your convenience is wrong thing. This is not
my problem. If you are convincing things which
are wrong, it is your problem. I don't
want get convinced with wrong thing. That's the
difference between you and me. Okay, sir. There's
a statement you made earlier. You said that,
you're more Christian than we, the Christians, and
it's You're misleading me again.
If
caveat?
There is a rule.
If Christian means
following the teachings of Jesus Christ, peace be
upon him, then we Muslims
are more Christian than the Christian themselves. Complete.
Please, sir. Don't give half the quotation, please.
Okay, sir. If you can't remember,
say sorry. Okay. I'm so sorry, sir. Yeah.
So, sir It's okay. It's okay,
sister. We are taking more from you. No.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Thank you.
Please put on the mic. Okay. Mark,
It's okay. He
has heard you more and then he has
30 much. Okay. Fine, sister. Last question. Yeah.
Let's give her a chance.
She's already have 3 questions.
We are very generous.
We want to even Please last question. We
don't want to get stuck. If you are
if I'm more Christian than the Christian, then?
Yes. Thank you so much, sir. No problem.
So, sir, you said also that I pray
I don't misquote you this time around.
You said that you believe in Jesus. You
believe that he was sent by God and
all. Okay. But the problem is that that
is not all it takes for salvation. That's
not all it takes for redemption. It takes
believing the full gospel of Christ, which is
causing for 1st Corinthians 15. Oh, god. I
can't hear you solely solely.
Okay. You said that you believe in Jesus,
and you believe that he was sent by
God. I follow the teach true teachings of
Jesus. Okay, sir. So now I'm saying that
that is not a criteria for someone to
be a Christian or to become a more
Christian that we'd already believe us. For following
the true teachings of Jesus is not the
criteria.
This is the basic criteria.
Christian means a person who follows Christ. Shown.
The basic number one criteria if I say
Muslim, I submit my will to God. If
I say Christian, I'm following the teachings of
Jesus. If this is not the main criteria,
then I'm sorry. I'm happy being Oh, Jesus.
If you are happy criteria. Doesn't mean following
the No. No. Who do you want to
follow the teachings of the devil? No, sir.
That's what you're doing. Why
Why you're saying that be following the teachings
of Jesus is not the main criteria? Yeah.
That's what you said and I'm trying to
prove that that is not is not correct.
That is correct. That is me. Because to
be to be a follower of God, to
be a believer, is to believe in the
full gospel according to first Corinthians 15 verse
1 to 4. It's talking about According to
I can't listen. 1st Corinthians
15 verse 1 to 4, it talks about
the gospel of Christ. And what's the gospel
of Christ? Is the 1st Corinthian the words
of Jesus Christ, peace be not the word
of Paul. Corinthian is not the teachings of
Jesus. Yeah. Corinthian is the word of Paul.
We are talking about word of Jesus, peace
be upon him. Do you know Corinthians was
not written by Jesus, peace be upon him?
Corinthians was written by Saint Paul. So are
you talking about Paul? Are you talking about
Jesus?
Do you know your bible very well? Yes,
sir. I do know my bible. Who's the
author? Who's the author of Corinthians?
Sir,
I know the bible very well. I don't
want to learn from you. Sir, I know
It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.
Can you have the next question, please? Thank
you. Can you have the next question?