Zakir Naik – A Christian Lady Asking about Sin as a Universal Problem

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Okay. My name is testimony.

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Sorry? My name is testimony.

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Testimony? Yes, sir.

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Okay.

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So this question particularly is directed to doctor

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Shaikh

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Farick Nack.

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During his lecture, he made mention of

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the solutions that Islam provides to the world.

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So now my question is,

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sin is the particular

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problem that humanity has and it is generalized.

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The same problem that a Nigerian has, which

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is the same problem that someone in Finland

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has, which is also seen. But then

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if someone is poor, it's not everyone that

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is poor. So that's that's not the only

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problem. But in regards to God, the problem

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that we had is sin. But in in

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in life, in humanity, we have so many

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others. But particularly this lecture is regarding

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man and God. So I want us to

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be particular about the sin we're regarding, which

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is sin. And then, sir, you made a

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you made a statement earlier that if someone

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can show you from the scripture,

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if and where God, where Jesus was spread

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to us God, you will You didn't say

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I said that. Sir? He didn't say that

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I said that. No, you, you, yes. I

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made I made mention of you, sir. I

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beg your pardon.

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So you said that if some if anyone

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here can show you from the bible where

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Jesus was referenced as God, you will receive

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Jesus. Behalf. I said anyone can show me

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a single

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unequivocal

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statement. Okay. I beg your pardon.

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Unambiguous statement Thank you. From anywhere in the

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bible, where Jesus Christ, peace be upon himself,

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says,

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I am God, or where he says worship

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me, I am ready to accept Christianity now.

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Put me full. Don't put me half. I'm

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so sorry, sir. If you put me half,

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then No. So sorry, sir. I get you.

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No, ma'am. Yes. In full, I was about

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to I was reading and thank you to

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mention everything you just said in full. So

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now my my my my my my gift

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now is that

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Jesus was not, referenced as God. He's not

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referenced as God. He's not referred to as

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God. He's not referenced as God. He's not

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referred to as as son of God. Son

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of. His reference as the son of God.

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And then sir, from Matthew chapter 1

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Shh.

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Leave silence.

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Silence. Yes. Sir, for Matthew chapter 1 verse

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21,

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it's stated there that, and she shall give

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birth to a child and thou shall call

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Matthew chapter 1 verse 21. 21, sir. Yeah.

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What does it say? Yes. It says that

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and she shall give birth to a son

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and thou shall call his name Jesus for

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he shall save his people from their sin.

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Okay, sir. And again, we have seen from

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John 3 verse 15, 16, 17, 18. He

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said, I'm trying to paraphrase now. He said

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that,

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for God so loved the world that he

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gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth

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in him

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okay. You want me to reply that? 1st,

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I'll reply to those 3, then you can

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give the next one, please. Okay, sir. You

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have given 3 references.

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I'll come to my son's sin afterward. You

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said that Jesus Christ, peace be upon him,

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he's not God, he's son of God. Yes,

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sir. Sister, Bible has got sons of God

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by the tongues.

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Adam was son of God.

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Ephraim was son of God. Israel was son

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of God.

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Book of Romans chapter number 8 verse number

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34. All those who are led by the

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spirit of God, they are sons of God.

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Thank you.

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God, even your daughter of God. True. So

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no, so what's the problem?

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Okay.

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You are saying

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the son of God came to take you

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away from sin. Every messenger of God is

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a son of God. I have no problem.

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Moses was son of God in that context.

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Adam was son of God. Prophet Muhammad was

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a meaning godly person.

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Meaning, taking him to the message of God.

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Even Moses, peace be upon him, give the

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message of God. The Bible says that even

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prophet Muhammad give the message of God. So

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what is the difference? I'm coming to it.

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So I quoted the first one, son of

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God. That's right. I finished now. Your third

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one is, gospel of John.

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Mhmm.

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And the reference is?

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3 verse 15, 16, 17, 18.

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Not the it's only gospel of John chapter

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3 verse number 16. Only 16. No, sir.

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The explanation is in context. I'll come to

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you.

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You only quoted 16.

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You never went to 17. Okay. So hear

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me. Gospel of John chapter number 3 verse

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number 16 said, for God, so I'm giving

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verbatim now. Verbatim from King James version. Yes.

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Verbatim. You know you know what is meaning

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of verbatim? Yes. I know, sir. What to

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word? From which version? From King James, sir.

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Because there are 1,000 versions in the bible.

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New international, New World Translation,

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Pentecostal, American Standard Version. I'm calling from King

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James version, which is more than 50% of

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the Christian follow.

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So gospel of John chapter number 3 verse

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number 16 say, for God so loved the

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world

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because the Christians say, no no no no

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no. Jesus is a normal son.

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And they quote gospel of John chapter number

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3 verse number 16. For God so loved

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the world that he gave his only begotten

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son, begotten,

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not made. So that God, soul of the

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world that He gave His only begotten son,

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whosoever believeth in Him shall not die, but

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everlasting life.

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Now,

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what is the meaning of the word begotten?

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Sister, do you know the translation of the

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English word begotten?

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Got it from somebody. What is the word

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meaning of the English word begotten? You said

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the word, I'm asking you the meaning.

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It means gotten from something. Begotten begotten. Oh,

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your

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English is very good. Begotten means it's the

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lower animal function of *.

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Begetting is an animal act. You open up

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for dictionary.

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Begetting is an animal act.

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That means you have * and then you

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beget a son.

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You you open English, you know English? Open

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oxford dictionary. Okay, sorry sir. That is the

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reason we object.

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We object to this word begotten given to

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God. So what to do? So if you

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read the revised standard version of the King

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James version, revised by scholars

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of the highest eminence backed by 50.

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They say this word begotten is an interpolation,

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is a fabrication,

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is a concoction, and they threw it out

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of the bible.

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You don't know this. Okay. Who threw it?

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Not Muslim scholars,

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not Hindu scholars,

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Christian scholars.

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32 Christian scholars

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of the highest eminence

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backed by

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50 different corporation denominations.

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You read the RSV,

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the revised standard version. They say, this word

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begotten

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is a interpolation.

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It's a fabrication.

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It is not then the original manuscript. So

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the watch keeps pinging to so much

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has been thrown out of the Bible.

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Okay, sir. If Okay, sir. What? Okay, sir.

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That me that me that me. I have

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another Let me let me Let me let

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me Let me let me you can explain

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what I just said. I don't

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These are top scholars of the world, of

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the Bible.

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So we go back to the original Romans

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chapter number 8 verse number 38, that whosoever

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is led by the spirit of God, he's

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the son of God. So if you say

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Jesus is son of God, of course he's

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son of God. He's a messenger of God.

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We have no objection in that. But don't

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say he's the begotten son of God. You

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cannot give this function to Allah

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You can't give function to almighty God. You

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cannot say that he's like an animal begetting,

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having *.

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So that's the reason these scholars

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who God gave them knowledge, they did research

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and they found out this was in the

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side footnotes

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and it came into the text. So they

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threw it out of the bible

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as a concoction,

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as a fabrication,

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as interpolation.

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So if you read the revised version of

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the Bible, it's not there.

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Okay. It's been thrown out. So one word

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you're clinging to. Okay, sir.

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For God soul of the world is thrown

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out.

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Anyway, this verse doesn't say that Jesus claimed

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divinity.

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It doesn't

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it doesn't qualify my challenge.

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Aniquiocultural statement from the bible where Jesus Christ,

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peace be upon himself, said, I am God

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always worship me. You haven't taken the challenge

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yet. Okay. I have to answer the first

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question of my son. Okay, sir. You're asking

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3, 4 question. You have to ask 1

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question at a time. Oh, I beg your

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pardon, sir. You just firing question question question.

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You listen to the answer. Okay. So first

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you have to agree that what verses you

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quoted now is a fabrication of the Bible.

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So you should agree, this cannot prove he's

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God. You have to agree. Okay. So why

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are you saying So far, do you agree

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or not? If you don't agree, it's a

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waste of my time. I'm banging my hand

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against a brick wall. Sir, I beg your

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pardon. If you can't understand English, it is

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30 to Christian scholars. You say, okay, doctor.

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I will go and do research. Okay. No

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problem. Say that at least. Be like a

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good woman, a truthful lady.

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Don't be like

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a don't be like a person who wants

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to I'm quoting you from my God given

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computer.

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Correct? So say, doctor, okay, I will go

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and verify your claim. No problem.

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Be at least be at least truthful in

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saying that rather than hiding behind something.

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Coming to your first question. Coming to your

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first question.

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You told about my son. Yes, sir. Solution

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to the problems of humanity.

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Sin is a universal problem, your sister said.

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I told you sin is not universal. Again,

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you're repeating.

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According to us, every child is sinless. Okay,

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sir. Because in the scripture that for all

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my dad now, for And He gave the

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solution to sin also. That's the problem

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of The solution to sin is

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following the Quran.

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The solution to the sin is following the

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Quran. If you did not listen to the

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talk, what can I do?

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Therefore, I told you, you go

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on the YouTube, Google, sheikh Farik

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Nai. Is Islam the solution? For a little

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time. Let me complete the answer.

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Okay. You are telling something?

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Yes, sir. It's it's okay. It's okay. We

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are taking much from you. We We have

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taken much from you. I think he has

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Your first question

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is sin is there. Yes. But everyone is

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not sinless.

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Everyone is not sinful. There are many people

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who are sinless. It's a big problem. We

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agree. What is the solution to follow the

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Quran?

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It is the devil it is the devil

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which inspires you to kill any other human

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being. That's how terrorism comes. It's the devil

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which inspires you to rob. All these are

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parts of sin. If If you haven't heard

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his lecture, what can I do?

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These are types of different sins.

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Okay. And the solution is following the Quran.

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You only want to say sin is, you

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know, sin is Adam wiped the apple and

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Eve wiped the apple. We are born in

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sin. You are miscoding the Quran.

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Sorry, the Bible. You are misquoting the Bible.

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You don't know this is the teaching of

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the church. I'm here to talk about the

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Bible, not about the church. If the church

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is misguiding you and if you get misguided,

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you have to blame, not me. I beg

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your pardon, sir. Sorry. I beg your pardon,

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but that's just the reality. I'm so convinced

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about it. And I have a lot of

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proof. So many scriptures over 20, I can't

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Your convenience is wrong thing. This is not

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my problem. If you are convincing things which

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are wrong, it is your problem. I don't

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want get convinced with wrong thing. That's the

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difference between you and me. Okay, sir. There's

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a statement you made earlier. You said that,

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you're more Christian than we, the Christians, and

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it's You're misleading me again.

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If

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caveat?

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There is a rule.

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If Christian means

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following the teachings of Jesus Christ, peace be

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upon him, then we Muslims

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are more Christian than the Christian themselves. Complete.

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Please, sir. Don't give half the quotation, please.

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Okay, sir. If you can't remember,

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say sorry. Okay. I'm so sorry, sir. Yeah.

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So, sir It's okay. It's okay,

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sister. We are taking more from you. No.

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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Please put on the mic. Okay. Mark,

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It's okay. He

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has heard you more and then he has

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30 much. Okay. Fine, sister. Last question. Yeah.

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Let's give her a chance.

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She's already have 3 questions.

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We are very generous.

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We want to even Please last question. We

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don't want to get stuck. If you are

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if I'm more Christian than the Christian, then?

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Yes. Thank you so much, sir. No problem.

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So, sir, you said also that I pray

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I don't misquote you this time around.

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You said that you believe in Jesus. You

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believe that he was sent by God and

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all. Okay. But the problem is that that

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is not all it takes for salvation. That's

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not all it takes for redemption. It takes

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believing the full gospel of Christ, which is

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causing for 1st Corinthians 15. Oh, god. I

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can't hear you solely solely.

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Okay. You said that you believe in Jesus,

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and you believe that he was sent by

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God. I follow the teach true teachings of

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Jesus. Okay, sir. So now I'm saying that

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that is not a criteria for someone to

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be a Christian or to become a more

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Christian that we'd already believe us. For following

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the true teachings of Jesus is not the

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criteria.

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This is the basic criteria.

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Christian means a person who follows Christ. Shown.

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The basic number one criteria if I say

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Muslim, I submit my will to God. If

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I say Christian, I'm following the teachings of

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Jesus. If this is not the main criteria,

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then I'm sorry. I'm happy being Oh, Jesus.

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If you are happy criteria. Doesn't mean following

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the No. No. Who do you want to

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follow the teachings of the devil? No, sir.

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That's what you're doing. Why

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Why you're saying that be following the teachings

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of Jesus is not the main criteria? Yeah.

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That's what you said and I'm trying to

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prove that that is not is not correct.

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That is correct. That is me. Because to

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be to be a follower of God, to

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be a believer, is to believe in the

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full gospel according to first Corinthians 15 verse

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1 to 4. It's talking about According to

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I can't listen. 1st Corinthians

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15 verse 1 to 4, it talks about

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the gospel of Christ. And what's the gospel

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of Christ? Is the 1st Corinthian the words

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of Jesus Christ, peace be not the word

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of Paul. Corinthian is not the teachings of

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Jesus. Yeah. Corinthian is the word of Paul.

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We are talking about word of Jesus, peace

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be upon him. Do you know Corinthians was

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not written by Jesus, peace be upon him?

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Corinthians was written by Saint Paul. So are

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you talking about Paul? Are you talking about

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Jesus?

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Do you know your bible very well? Yes,

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sir. I do know my bible. Who's the

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author? Who's the author of Corinthians?

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Sir,

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I know the bible very well. I don't

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want to learn from you. Sir, I know

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It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.

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Can you have the next question, please? Thank

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you. Can you have the next question?