Sheikh Yusuf Estes speaks in this public lecture in Oslo University Norway about Jesus(PBUH) , and explains what we Muslims believe about him , @ the end of the lecture some Norwegian sisters converted to Islam with Sheikh Yusuf Estes .
Yusuf Estes – Jesus Man, Myth Or God
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The conversation covers various topics related to religion, including the origin of the Bible, the use of language in conflict, and the potential consequences of using it. It touches on the importance of praying for God's presence and forgiveness, the history of the Bible, and forgiveness in Christ's faith. The segment also touches on the topic of Islam and its differences with English language. The importance of forgiveness is emphasized, along with learning everything Muslims have to know and making small talk with others. The importance of taking responsibility and not giving up on one's beliefs is also emphasized.
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how many of you know what I said in Arabic?
How many of you don't know? How many don't care?
There we go.
By the way, I don't know about the moderator coming out here to tell him better jokes than I do. I don't like that.
I guess I'll forgive him for that.
And the coffee spill?
Okay. The subject, Jesus, man, myth, or God?
What do you think?
First of all, let us consider this, that as Muslims,
we have six articles of faith that if a person leaves one of them, then they have left Islam. And one of those articles. Number three, is to believe action report is to believe in the profits, all of them in a very high and substantial way that there's no misunderstanding, they are the best and the best of the best of the human beings. And before we begin the program, I want you to know that we in no way are intending to make fun of the Prophet arisa Ali Salaam, nor his miracles, nor his mother, who Allah said about her, she is the best woman that our law created. So we'll say that upfront. And then also any comments I make along the way that you might find humorous. Let's
remember that just use it versus doing that, and I can't help it. I'm from Texas.
One of the things when we have a speaker or an author of a book, we'd like to know a little bit about that person. And that's fair, because that's part of considering the source to know something about the speaker or the author of a book. And because I'm the Speaker of the distillery myself, and this is going to be a bit subjective, and that is that I've been reading the Bible since I was old enough to read my father, the same way. My father was one of the very first people in it his time, about 80, some years, or Yeah, about 90 years ago now, to have completed the Bible. And we won an award for that in our church. And
the Bible is always been a source of inspiration and refuge for us upon the problems of life. I have a high respect for it, even though I will tell you immediately, it didn't come in English. It didn't
have the chapters in it at the time of Jesus that we see today. But at the same time, there are things in the Bible, even in translation that Muslims will say, this is true, because we have that also in Quran. So we have respect. And we know that even though things have been altered change played with, there's still a lot of truth there. And we don't ever want to insult anything that came from a lot.
And I came to Islam in 1991. In July, while trying to convert a Muslim to come to Christianity. Some of you have heard the story. But along the way, we discussed the Bible and we discussed in particular Jesus and what his role is in Christianity, versus his role in Islam, to the Muslims.
The background that I have in Christianity may not be very interesting to you, nor bore you with it. But I spent 47 years around a lot of preachers from the Methodist, from the Baptist, from the Church of God, the charismatic movement, the born again Christians, the disciples of Christ, and in some cases, even sitting with some of the Catholics although I never was a practicing Catholic, nor did I attend any of their services, but still we set and dialogue and had a lot of brainstorming discussions about Bible Jesus etc. And God Of course
and Islam in the background,
offer. My experience has been from graduates of ours or even visiting Eleazar itself that's in Cairo, Egypt. And in Maghreb, which is more commonly called Morocco. And in Turkey, and Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and a bunch of places, sitting with a number of known scholars that you might recognize their names, and some of you may have never heard of doesn't really matter. And
some of the conclusions that I draw may not be exactly what some of them would say, and they may disown me totally, so don't blame them for my mistakes. Okay.
Having said that, it's not much of an introduction for the background, but at least to get some idea.
I want to, to read to your little bit of what we have
in the Koran. And I think that can answer a lot of questions before we get too deep into anything else. Because what we find that as an example, this is
in sure Anam Ron, chapter three, verse 161, is telling us that no prophet
says any messenger of God, no prophet
can be false to his trust. If any person is false, then he shall, on the judgment, restore what he misappropriated, then show every soul receive its do whatever it earned, none shall be dealt with unjustly.
And there's a rhetorical question is the man who follows the good pleasure of along like the man who draws on himself the wrath of a law, and whose destiny is being in the Hellfire? What a woeful refuge?
There are in varying grades in the sight of a law and a lot of sees Well, all that they do.
This is general statement about human beings and prophets. And it is something that sets I think, the tone for what we're talking about. Now, when it comes to the subject of Jesus, and we already spoke about that in the question answer period earlier, but I'll mention it again, for the benefit of those who might have just come in. We know that the name of the person who lived 2000 years ago,
that was attributed to the been a miracle birth from the descendants of Israel, and also
was claimed to have been crucified, then we know that that person was not named Jesus. Everybody knows that because nobody was named Jesus at that time, it would have been impossible because the word wasn't invented yet.
What we have in English when we say Jesus is a corrupted form of the name Yeshua, or Isa, depending on if you want to say Hebrew or Arabic language, okay? So having got this The name itself out of the way, so that when we make reference when I say Jesus, for the Muslims, or Jews, it might be here, I'm still talking about the same one.
Okay.
Let us consider
the first part, man.
According, according to the language of the Bible, translated English, we find that in the book of Isaiah, the Old Testament,
if you categorize it that way, the prophet Isaiah is telling us that there will be one who will come, who is going to be a woman is going to give birth, and she is according to some translations of Virgin and she's going to give birth. And since then, some have claimed it No, it just meant a young maiden woman.
So for the Jews, they'll say no, it doesn't mean a virgin birth. But for us as Muslims, we're going to say yes, it is because this is what we have in the Quran as well.
But it does say clearly that this is a man, child, a man child. And also the, in the New Testament, we find an expression coming from Jesus alias as areas
that he is the Son of Man. Now this expression, son of man, is an expression very similar to what we find in Arabic in the atom, which means the son of Adam. In both cases, they're interchangeable, the son of Adam or son
man would be no different. Because this is also what we find in the Old Testament reference to, when we find in the book of Ezekiel, many of the statements beginning so many chapters that say something to the effect of say, oh, son of man. So we have a title here being offered either as the son of Adam, or as perhaps a prophets nomenclature, that you can identify him by this by saying, oh, son of man, as God is speaking to directly to one of his prophets. And it says, say, oh, son of man, or in Arabic. Cool. And we find this again, in the same way, when it talks to the Prophet Muhammad.
Okay, so Was he a man, according to everything else that we can find in Judaism, Christianity, and Koran? Yes. Okay. There's so there's no doubt about it, at least one of the qualities, and what we put up here has to be true, man, because they all said that
myth. All right, let's find out about the myth.
What we know
from some of the stories,
as I mentioned, with Old Testament, that there will be one who will come. And he will be the one who is going to be leading the children of Israel to a victory over there oppressors. So at the time, 2000 years ago, when Jesus was born,
they were in a pretty sad state of affairs, they had a Jewish King, but it wasn't anything more than just really,
basically a religious leader under the rule of the Roman government. The Roman government was, you know it, and they were the ones who had the final say, of everything. So many of the things that the Jews would like to do at home, that would be all right. But when it came to anything legal, according to their rulings, they couldn't practice it, because they had another government over them. That would overshadow that. For instance, if they went on, they wanted to apply the death penalty to someone who had committed a serious enough infraction against Judaism, they couldn't do so because the Roman government would not allow it. This is evidenced, by the way from one of the
statements that we find in the New Testament, when Paul is telling us about having to go to the Sanhedrin to get papers to go to the mosque, to persecute the Christians there, that the Sanhedrin or the government of the church or the temple. In Arabic, this would be the the Jamaat which controls the
modular Shura, we might say, for the Muslims. And they had to go then to the Roman government to get permission from them. So you see the steps that were involved to get something done. Also, if they if you had a thief that stole something, and they want to apply the law, they couldn't do that, again, without the Roman permission. If someone was homosexual, they wanted to kill them, according to Jewish law. They couldn't do that either without the permission, again, from the Roman government. So the children of Israel at that time, were very much excited looking for a leader. That historical evidence is coming to us from Josephus, also from some of the books that were taken
out of the Christian Bible,
which now called apocrypha, books like
the there's a number of seven of them that were taken out, but there are others as well.
Dealing with the subject of some of the tribes of Israel, and how they operated clandestinely outside of the Roman law. And when they would get caught, they would be thrown in prison and killed and things like that.
And if you want more information about we have some websites for it, but basically, they would go out in the night and from the desert and slip into town and do acts, you know, that were subversive, even sometimes killing people and then run back out in the desert again. No, I guess they were terrorists of those days, insurgents, I guess they would be called right? Well, this is what was going on then. And it's, it's well established that that was the condition they were in, they were very much looking for a leader. They wanted their Messiah to come. One of the choices we might have put up there and would have been Messiah, because then I would have had a chance to talk about that.
Messiah. Many of you probably know this already. doesn't mean anything more than her chosen person, a person who's chosen to do something in a role.
Leadership for the Jewish because it's from a Jewish word. Actually, it's pronounced Miss missy. And it's also Arabic. When you said mushy or messy or Messiah, he doesn't matter, it all comes from the same mess, which means to wipe or touch. And this was because when they
put one of their own into the role of leadership as King, they would put their fingers in olive oil, and they call it anointing oil. And then they would wipe his forehead in front of the congregation to let everybody know this is the one we've chosen to lead us that started with the King Saul. And it carried forward for a period of time and then they were looking for their last king that they were going to
install, then they said he would be anointed by God himself and chosen by God, that's the reference of Messiah or the chosen 1am I boring you to death yet. Some of you still awake, Mashallah.
You can see why some of us fall asleep in seminary school will be like,
see, I'll just get Cliff's notes later. But
somebody knew what a man. So
the role that they were looking for with somebody who would come and lead them and really beat the Romans down. That's what they wanted more than anything, because it was prophesied. And they knew the Romans would be beaten down eventually, and the believers would have a victory and they were so excited about it.
So when the first thing that comes with Jesus looks pretty good to them, as far as the records that we have, and that is that here is somebody who is fulfilling the miracle birth thing, at least the claim is there. But then the miracles that come along with it, that was a lot of things attributed to Jesus at the time that they could not ignore. Many people saw somebody has a skin disease, and now they're cured.
Somebody is a crippled, and now they can walk with no assistance for many sticks or crutches. And somebody else is born blind. And now they can see and that's totally impossible.
And then finally, a dead man been dead for days, according to what we have in the English translation of Bible date. Lazarus is brought back from the dead. Okay, what more do you want? That's the guy you know.
And everybody's happy to the extent that we find in the Bible, and I think all four gospels are telling us about Palm Sunday,
when they have Jesus riding into town on the donkey, and they lay down the palms, and that was a sign of a king coming in order to lay down, like we said, The Royal carpet treatment to put those palms down and then the donkey goes across them. And well, there's our king. This today is what's called Palm Sunday. So he comes riding around on the donkey, and they're saying, and we give what it says from the Bible. Hosanna Hosanna. They're singing and they're happy. This is our guy. He's gonna lead us this is fantastic.
Now, if you know anything about the Christian religion, you know that they have Palm Sunday,
one week before what?
Easter?
In most places, that's how they do it. They have Palm Sunday, a week later, they got Easter, right?
But Easter is a celebration, actually, of Jesus coming back out of the grave after being crucified on Friday.
By who the same people that were saying Hosanna Hosanna on Sunday, or put him on a cross on what happened. I wonder what happened during that week.
Whoa, word what took place?
Well,
you can only guess by trying to patch together some of the different translations of what remains of the manuscripts. Also some
I think it's probably fabrication, but it's not for me to say because I'm not the expert on that. But the translations of Josephus have some references in there that appear to be added, according to some scholars, but in any case, we can always as Muslims go to the Quran, and we can see something amazing. And that is that Jesus spoke to him real clear and told them who he was and who he wasn't. According to what we have in the Bible in English today, and I'm only quoting from the English I don't know anything about the Norwegian language at all zero so if you're reading it from there, I can't help you. But from English, we do have it that it says
that Jesus was constantly telling them about following the law following the commandments because he was being challenged or to come
Put something new, didn't you help somebody that was sick and or ill or crippled or something and you help them on Sunday? Or there actually wasn't Sunday, as we know, it was actually Saturday, their Sabbath? Didn't you do that you broke or violated the Jewish law. You can't do any work at all. You can't turn a tap, you can't do anything. Didn't you do that? And he said, wouldn't you at least pull an oxygen out of the ditch if he was stuck, or you know, like that? And it's no difference. And he's saying, and I'm doing something better than that. These are some of the things that they refer to. And they were trying to imply that he was coming with something new. But why
were they saying that? What was it? Well, again, according to a critical study of the text that is remains, you come up with the idea that there was quite a bit of dissension existing on the part of those of the Sanhedrin, or the leadership of the template the time because they didn't, they didn't trusting and they were worried about their high position, because most of them were
known today, what we would call somebody a sellout. Or, and they actually call them the Sadducees. That was the name of that they had and they were saying that these guys basically, are following the Roman law. They're just kissing up. Basically, they're doing what the Romans want them to do, and making it look good walking around in their fancy robes, and pretending to be something they're really not. This is the accusation from the general public. So those are the people who are trying to give Jesus a hard time the common people are pretty much accepting him from what we know of the Scriptures. And the indications we also have in Islam.
statements, like when they ask, what is the greatest commandment? What is the greatest commandment? And the response comes back, that the greatest commandment is to know Israel, the Lord your God is One Lord.
And you have to love Him with all your heart and all your mind and all your strength, and a commandment like unto it to love your brothers yourself. This is a direct quote, The Book of Deuteronomy, chapter six, you can find it for yourself. It's no different. That's the quote.
So even though it says I give you a new commandment is not new, because it's the same quote, I don't know who put that in there. But they messed up on that, because you go back and see that it didn't say that it was not new. It's very old.
trivia, who cares? The point was, though, he was saying, I'm saying the same thing, it was always said.
And we already discussed this, but I'll repeat it again, when it comes to that idea of the commandments. You're here telling people to break commandments, no. And now we're looking Matthew 517 1819, that I did not come to destroy the law, and the prophets that came not to destroy, but to fulfill. And not until all things be accomplished, shall a single.or jot or Iota or tittle be in any wise lesson from the law, whoever breaks the least of the commandments, he will be the least in the next life, whoever keeps the commandments, he'll be the highest in the next slide, basically. And unless your righteousness exceeds that, these and now he's pointing right to those people in saying
they're not righteous, you unless your righteousness exceed these leaders of the temple, the Sanhedrin, then are Pharisees, then you will no wise enter the kingdom.
So it wasn't, according to this, and what we know, especially in Islam wasn't coming up with anything. No.
But was it a myth?
This is our next part we're talking about is this a myth?
If anybody said that, there was nobody named Jesus, I think they'd be pretty foolish. That's pretty foolish.
There's too much reference within Christianity, within Islam, and even outside of Islam from the Jewish from the book of Josephus, he was a chronicler of the time, like a journalist of his time, that you, you just would have a hard time denying that there was somebody named Jesus, especially that there were miracles attributed to him, etc, it would be foolish to consider it a myth.
But now let's come to the next part, God
according to the different translations of the Bible, to the English language, that could really be a puzzle for you.
Especially when you look to the text and I'm going to start in Genesis because it's the first book in Old Testament and go to chapter two
verse two,
it says, the sons of God,
this is the Old Testament, this is the very first of the books. Genesis means beginnings,
the sons of God
saw the daughters of men
found them to be fair means good looking.
And
with them went in unto them, and from them come the mighty men of old and it again, it repeats this thing about the sons of God. What does that mean?
Many people have given their own interpretations of what it meant, some of them pretty convincing. But none of them have brought any evidence to prove absolutely, that that's what it means. But it definitely says, sons of God.
The interesting thing, of course, is that for us Muslims,
we're not obliged to hang with that, because we do have texted, didn't get corrupted or changed. All of this is actually coming from scripture that is not as old as some of the other scripture, you might be interested to know. And maybe you don't care. But one of the oldest of the books of the Old Testament is not Genesis, or Exodus, or numbers or Deuteronomy, actually one of the oldest, according to the scholars, is the book of Job, I, you, they consider that to be maybe one of the oldest of all, so they're not necessarily in the oldest order.
While I'm on the subject of the book of IU, though, you still got a problem, because chapter two, you find again, the sons of God, were going to and fro that meaning up and down from Earth to heaven.
And
some simple these are the angels. And some said that you were the premium, which we call the jinn in Arabic.
But it doesn't really matter, it still said, sons of God, how are you going to deal with that?
Before we go too far, let's consider that is not still not the only place that we find this reference, we'll look to something that's far more modern, much closer to the time of Jesus peace be upon him. And that would be within maybe 500 years before. And that's the time of the revelation of Psalms, the Psalms or the border, as they're calling the Arabic language. These are the the revelations coming to the Prophet David. And also the Prophet Suleiman, according to the preservers of the Bible. And
in chapter two, verse seven,
it has David addressing the congregation. Now, this was something that King used to do, similar to what the President of the United States does when he's inaugurated, he gives a inauguration speech, or every year he gives the State of the Union, I'm sorry, Union.
But it always makes me cry, and it smells funny, solid. And now.
That's how I get confused. But anyway,
I'm sorry, I couldn't.
I just want to be sure you're still awake.
But anyway, so they have David here, doing what the king would do at that time, which is to address the congregation in other places, no judgment, you'll find that he would turn his face and bless the congregation, and it was a ceremony. And I've been told it's similar to this.
To take your hand, and then they would go like this to bless all the congregation.
And that was a blessing coming to you from your king slash prophet because he was a king and a prophet at the same time.
Anyway, at this time, it says that he's saying to them, I will tell you of a decree My Lord has decreed on this day, he's going to quote God, no, this we have in Islam, called Hadeeth. could see had these could see this means sacred sayings. It's something God has said, but it's not in the Quran. But the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is telling us your Lord has said this. Your Lord has said that this is a deep could see, and this is what it's saying here in this book of Psalms
chapter two, verse seven, I will dig deep I will tell you of a decree your Lord has agreed on this date. This day.
Thou art my Son.
This day I have big gotten you
this is a heavy statement.
Because it happens to be the only place in the Bible, where it clearly says that person would by name and position is begun.
Even in the New Testament today, which we have in the book of john, the gospel of john, chapter three, verse 16. The statement it's very, very overstated over quoted by all the gospel is out here in Bible thumpers on the corner, they're all telling you, For God so loved the world He gave His only begotten Son, whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.
But nowhere in there, does it say, Jesus. It's not until or what is it? Four or five verses later, Jesus has mentioned in total, different contexts, but it doesn't say that Jesus is the only begotten Son. In fact, if you use the word only here, you're going to have a problem, because you already got a bit gotten sent in the Old Testament. Unless, of course, you subscribed to the theory, the New Testament cancels the Old Testament. But then if you want to play that game, we'll say, okay, the Quran is the last testament, and
and it's not a game. And so it's not, it's not really a proper thing to do that. It's, I think, if you're going to refer to Scripture, if you're going to refer to anything, to be consistent in the way you refer to it, don't delete something that doesn't go along with what you like. And don't add something because you feel like it ought to be there. Otherwise, why bother, just make up your own book, other people do it. Lots of people, Scientologists, they got their own deal. They don't have to rely on anybody else.
So when that's fine, I mean, you know, you want to make up a religion, have a good time.
But when you try to take an existing
route, religion, and documents and
keep twisting it, you keep making up new factions, you keep coming up with new divisions within what exists. This is what's happened in Judaism. It's happened in Christianity. And unfortunately, it's happened in Islam, amongst Muslims, even more. So this division, division division.
And it would be avoided if people would simply go back to the sources. I know here, even in this city, where we are right now. But there are those that if you went to them and their leaders in the religion of Islam, if you want to I mean, you said, By the way, this is what's in the Quran, and this is what the prophet said.
And then alive, that they'll just ignore it and go on with what they do. True or false.
And that's one of the reasons they don't want me to speak in that particular place and snuck that in there dinner.
I don't care.
By the way, nobody pays me to do this.
I'm free, and I'm worth it.
That didn't come out right.
Back up the tape.
What we're discovering here is that there's a reference here to Son of God.
Now that, by the way, that is not what it says that there. We said, God, I'm just talking about this thing, Son of God. Because this is really how the subject comes about. Because
just so you know, 60 years ago, when I was a little guy going to church, nobody said Jesus was Lord or son, or God, they only said, Son of God. That was not a popular statement back then. Not amongst the disciples of Christ. Not amongst the Methodists. Not amongst that was just not said like that. They didn't say it. I never heard that until the 16th. And then it became all of a sudden, it's really popular within that 10 year span that decade right there, right before all the hippies in the GPS and all the rest of it come along, flower children.
You should have lived through it.
But this idea of just saying, Jesus God,
nobody, nobody would have got away with that back then. But now it seems like they didn't say that. And it's like, yeah, don't you know it said, No man comes to the Father but by me. I need to say so.
What Yeah, but it also says that are in the way the life of neutral.
So how does that make you God?
Because actually, if you know anything about the language where it's coming from, if it if it's Aramaic, which is the same, almost like that,
To Hebrew and Arabic, the word would have been Dean, the word way would have been Dean. But if somebody comes to you and said, Well, I'm the father of myself.
I know there's no way But even here, that's weird.
Or I'm the son of myself. Hmm.
This would indicate right away, that you don't really know who your grandfather is, that's for sure.
What I'm saying is that the statements we find even in the English word, Jesus says that I do nothing of myself, but rather the one who sent me or the one above or from the Father, or however it's worded in the different translations goes along very well with what we find in the Quran. Jesus is a mighty, majestic prophet. He is a messenger of Almighty God, He is the miraculous birth, born without any human father. But by the way, if that's the case, then why did they need to have a story about Joseph genealogy? Matthew, one one starts with that. Luke 23 starts with neither one a match each other. What was that all about? And we as Muslims have it real easy, we don't deal with that.
We just say, miracle birth. And when God wants somebody to be born without a father, anytime Allah wants anything to be done, he merely says, Go on.
Fire calm, be.
And it is as simple as that. So that's who Jesus is to us. Then somebody still wants to believe that Jesus is a myth. Well, that's their choice. They want to believe that he's a god. Again, that's their choice. But they want to believe there is a man, messenger of God, that is far above us, in many ways. And it's really coming back in the last day, and is really, really human, and yet having miracles with him.
Man,
I'm gonna do it real quick, because it tells me we're running out of time. So
we're changing out a tape here. So real quick, I'm going to read the
answer is
the next one.
You guys are too much.
Before I go any further, before I answer any questions or do anything else,
this is my way and I have to do something Bismillah Alhamdulillah wa salatu salam ala rasulillah. I want to welcome all of you here and tell you how much I really do care about every single person in this building. I'm serious when I tell you Salaam Salaam Alaikum, peace be upon you.
You don't know this, because maybe you don't know me. But I will tell you that Islam has taught me clearly what I already believed is a Christian, that all of us we came from Adam and Eve. As such, we are already brothers and sisters to each other. But I like that reminder that comes to me again and again and again from the Quran that allow created all of us from one why and then from him, brought his mate. And from those two brought forth many men and women, Catherine Catherine, gentlemen. So you're my brothers and sisters, whether you like it or not, you're stuck with me.
And my ardent desire is not to hurt a single human being ever. but rather to help all of us get closer to the one who created us to go to Paradise and be there with the real righteous profits in the good people. I want to be there and I want you there to army.
Didn't that sound nice?
Thinking about running for politics.
But seriously, that is what Islam teaches us. But the thing that it's even better you got brothers and sisters in humanity as children of Adam, but then how about your brothers and sisters in faith, those who come to the realization there really is a God.
And he's one. He has no partners. He sent messengers, and those messengers told us how to worship God on his terms. Simple as that. If you like that and you want to follow that up that
You become even closer to each other because this is being brothers and sisters in the mind. In fact,
somebody is asking here, the Bible says that Jesus was crucified, what really happened?
Actually, you have some clear texts that are found in today's Bible in English, in the gospels, talking about what happened at the time of the crucifixion.
And admin did that. May Allah have mercy on his soul, he did quite an exposition on this. And I really enjoyed reading what he said, although I didn't always come to same conclusions he did. But he certainly had a lot to say about it. But when you compare the gospel of what's called the Synoptic Gospels to the johanne, gospel, as any student of the Bible knows, they don't match up in their presentation.
But moreso, the what's called the Pauling, the Pauline
testimony or the Pauline direction or gospel, because the way that he's coming with Paul has a whole different take on everything.
And if you really separate them, you can see that they're not the same, they really are not the same take. Paul's got this idea that's very much influenced by something called the mystic religion, which was prevalent at his time. And there's a study was done by that. In my one of the Jewish scholars, it was called
Jesus, what was the name of it? The myth myth of the God incarnate, that was the name of it, you get a chance to read it, myth of the God incarnate.
But as far as what we have in the Koran, a lot tells us in the Quran, and then we try to give you the English translation of it. That regarding those people at the time, that no remember the Sanhedrin we talked about them. They were trying to get Jesus out of the way because he was exposing them for being money and power grabbers. Okay, he exposed them. And they hated him. So they were willing to do him in they and the Romans, who were being told that, hey, this guy's claiming he's the new king of Rome. Basically, he's either trying to play around with that, trying to get them to go and shut him up, lock him up, and they get they took him in, locked him up. And then after a
while, they take him out to go gasa and then crucify him according to what you read in the Bible. And
this
has a lot of ramifications that go along with it. It's one of the things that it says in the Old Testament, is that
to make it clear that anybody that's ever hung on a tree, they're like the worst, like Kfar. So if somebody was hung on a cross, this would really be bad. And the Jews of the time, we're trying to insist that Yeah, he was, therefore you can see wasn't real, it wasn't the real deal. Also,
this was a sign of somebody who was an enemy to the state.
Because to be hung on the cross, it was like anybody today, which would be a spy, or somebody who was an enemy to our government or something like that. And that was the punishment at the time. So that was another reason they want to say it was on a cross.
But it wasn't because there was anything sacred about our cross back then at all. That came later.
But there are differences of opinions even amongst those that were supposedly giving you the Bible of what actually happened. And give me an example, according to one, saying that Jesus is in the earth in the same way that Jonah is in the whale for three days and three nights. Now, how many of you heard that before? Three days? Three nights? How many believe that? That's true? Three days, three nights. Okay, you got a problem if you follow some of the others though, because they're going to tell you that he was on the cross on Friday
taking off the cross before nightfall because the Jews cannot do anything after the sun goes down on Friday, because that Saturday, so the heavy getting into the supply chain, that's a cut out place like a tomb and leaving and they can't do anything until Sunday morning.
Okay, so now let's start. Put him in there. The sun goes down. So you got Friday night,
Friday night, but tell them that
is Saturday night?
Because the same as Islam. When the sun goes down, we start counting the next day. So that was Saturday night, and Saturday, right?
How many days and nights we got?
One.
And then Sunday morning is already gone.
So the most you get is two nights in a day.
There's no way you can stretch it to say three. What they do in modern times is to Well, yeah, Friday, Saturday, Sunday, but it says, three days in the earth and three nights in the earth, are you going to get that form?
And again, you have to really do some mental gymnastics and play with a lot of stuff for your Well, you know, back then people did this or that and you don't even know what you're talking about. We know what the people did back then it's very clear. We're Muslims. We know exactly how the lunar calendar works. We understand it very clear. So did the Jews that's why they weren't accepted either.
What does what does the Quran say? Let's go to that. There's no two versions of the Quran. It's very clear, with a lot more clarity and a lot more beautiful statements about him and his birth. The Birth of Mohammed is not detailed in the Quran, but the birth of Jesus is also his death. It says they did not pickle which means to kill.
Kids get through him, nor did they salib him salib is what
cross they didn't crucify him. Rather something they saw,
which is what the shabby hat means that they've been in argument about it ever since they have doubted it to have gone in with Cheviot doubt in it.
But for sure, they didn't kill it. They didn't put him on a cross. And he was pulled up by a law and is going to come back in the last day now that and comes from a DS, not from the Quran. But we know from the hadith of Mohammed, that the messenger, Jesus will be back in the last days he will come down in Damascus, and that he will definitely lead the believers to a victory over a common enemy. This is clearly spelled out in the Hadith of the Prophet side, someone who is looking for Jesus to come back
with no doubt in their heart about it at all. We have no doubt if we doubt that we can't even be a Muslim.
For us, it's clear.
By the way, do you mind if I make a comment from my side? This is just me saying something. But when I read that, at first, because I was a question coming in and looking at this, oh, wait a minute. Whoa, hold on that. That? I don't know.
But then I reflected on it a little bit. And I said you hold on all the verses talking about prayer in the New Testament even telling us how to pray.
Jesus is telling us how to pray. He's telling us to pray to God. Not once that I see him saying pray to me. He's gonna pray to God. And when you pray you pray like this.
No, except for our father, which Muslims would never say. The rest of it is fantastic. You said, Have you said Our Lord, which art in heaven we believe that that's God is up. Hallowed be thy name. One of the last names is clubs, which means hallowed. So there's no problem there. Like kingdom come we definitely know Allah is will will come, thy will be done. Well there you just said it clearly. And that means Islam God's Will on earth as it is in heaven.
Wow. This is heavy.
Then
saying
to a law, Give us this day our daily bread. Forgive us our trespasses, we do do we ask for our is a law as a result? Again, we would say that this sounds like a very good prayer from a real profit done it
from who? Am I getting my risk? From a law? You're saying give us who is it then say Jesus, give me my bread. Jesus is telling them to say it to God.
Ask him for what you need. And then ask him for forgiveness forgive us of our sins are transgressions as we forgive those that transgress or sin against us.
Wow.
Four nine is
Kingdom in a glorious power forever and ever. Amen. Whoa.
Who doesn't say this?
Well, yeah, oh hip Tahoma Hola, Lila de
su the Quran. No problem. The only problem is if we turned it around and said, Well, you know Mohammed is the one who actually spoke the Koran. So let's just pray to him
wrong.
And when Muhammad peace be upon in quotes, Allah, we never say that, oh Muhammad must be God. For instance, and this is clear, when the Prophet is saying that Allah said,
My servant doesn't come to me with anything more beloved by me than what I've ordered him to do. This is a hoody. So we don't turn it around and say, okay, Mohammed said,
My servant doesn't come to me with any debt. No, no, no, no, no, we say that. He said that God said it. We don't leave that part of it out to make it look like that Muhammad is God.
Right?
they're sick. The next question, it says, The Bible says, In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. Right? actually wrong. It doesn't say that.
It says, doesn't that mean Jesus was God?
May Allah help you?
I'm serious. Listen, even if but the Bible doesn't say this. Okay. We know now that a lot of that was excitement of translation. Let's give somebody credit. Don't call him a liar. But he's very enthused really translated. This is this was actually a saying that came out of Egypt from the Coptic time. And it was put into the book as this is in john. Yeah. That you'll find later on. But in any case, this was a saying prevalent, even then, that wasn't even related to the Christianity because it hadn't got there yet. The Bible says that in the beginning was the Word.
I don't have a problem with that. Do you? That's okay. But I would say that allow us before any word, but Allah has no beginning anyway. So okay.
And then the beginning was the word that's simply redundant, no problem.
The Word was with God. Again, no problem. and the Word was God. Actually, it said, in even Kony Greek, the word God, it didn't say was in the past tense or future or present tense of any verb, it just said the word God. Now what we know is that the first thing that happened is God, a law spoke the word like kalama, he spoke a word. And then everything came into being, nothing came into being except by a laws, cutter, his order, when he said the word, what was the word everybody tell me the word was? Could be. And that was the word.
And Allah. And now if you understand that, how would it be that you said, Allah spoke the word and the word was himself and he made himself?
Does that really work in your mind?
And if you said, well, that proves Jesus, why wouldn't they prove that Adam is God? Because obviously, even from the text that we have today in English, Adam came about by what be any was true or false. The thing that we have in Islam that Adam made from dust made from clay, suddenly, Allah says Be and he's alive, he blows birth into him, and he's alive turbos, that what we know. So does that make him God?
Allah speaks a word.
The word becomes flesh.
You didn't put that on here, by the way, that's part of the same. The Word became flesh. That's Adam. That's what I was talking about. Now, if it refers also to Jesus, still no problem, because we know that Adam was created in a miracle way. And so was Jesus. Right?
Do you have a problem? And somebody told you that God spoke the word and flesh came inside of Mary and she had a baby.
This is what the angel told Mary. She said, Now am I going to have a baby? when no man has touched me? He said, even so is the angel Gabriel saying even so for Allah, these things are easy. He just says
gonna be
no problem. But how did you the one unsane Allah gave you is because you took
This. And I don't know how you could get a reference to any person at all.
There's no name mentioned here.
And there's no name mentioned in my Bible either. It just said, In the beginning was the word. The word was with God. It said the word was God. But of course, we know that that's not what it says.
And the Word became flesh.
But it doesn't say anybody's name. This could apply to Adam, is it apply to you and me, it could apply to anybody.
And in fact, that's where some of the translators got this idea that we are the children of God. Because it says that in the Bible, you are all the children of God. So what would be the difference all of a sudden, for one over the other, we could go back and look at the verses I mentioned earlier, sons of God in Genesis, sons of God and job and the sons of God, or the son begotten son in songs.
You got tons of sons here.
So when you don't even have a name, and you say that, doesn't that mean, Jesus was God? This is what I'm saying.
That's really Wow, nice stretch, big stretch.
The fact is, you're saying it in English go slow.
was no English at that time. So the Bible didn't say that, a translator said it.
Second thing was now the in re examining even the Kony Greek, they realize it didn't say was,
and I have the interlinear Bible to show you if you have a doubt about it. And then on top of that, how did you say that this was Jesus, when He didn't say that? And we will agree, though, that it was Jesus for the argument's sake.
Still, how did you prove that that was God? Because if you said, it's a miracle, but therefore must be God,
I got one for you.
Eve, how
did somebody tell me her mother's name was?
Sorry?
The mother of Eve is Adam.
I love you, man.
Eve had no mother. This is a finger miracle. I'm sorry, where I come from a much bigger mirror a woman born out of a man
in the name of ease.
How How can you even think that the fact that that Jesus peace be upon him, and
that his miracle birth automatically makes him a god? But when you look at Eve, and you know that she came from a bone in Adam, and all of a sudden, oh, that's nothing.
That's no big deal.
Wow.
And that's before we even look at the real big one. None of us exist today. Nobody in this room or on this planet exists, except that we all came from Adam. And Adams parents were named
dirt and water.
Yes or no?
So I guess what does that mean? Yeah, I mean,
there's water in here. Do I pray to the water?
dirt on my shoes? Is that my mother? What are we talking about this?
This is too much. But what happens now?
Muslims, listen to me. Don't make fun of people don't do that. What's happened is that they have been fed a steady diet of lie after lie after lie for hundreds and hundreds of years. This is not something that you're just going to walk away from and go, Oh, I went to a funny speech tonight. I totally changed my mind.
It didn't happen to me that way. It was very hard to deal with this subject. Because I had to believe it all of a sudden, that the things that I grew up with, were not true.
There were many things, many, many things that after I got into Islam, I was able to look at and see a lot of stuff that we were handed just simply wasn't true.
Some of those things I can tell you about today, other things I can there are certain things that you could say the day that we
No are not true. But if you Sam, you get locked up.
Because other people want to believe it even though there's no evidence for it
true or false.
So be patient, and Be kind, be respectful for other people's beliefs. A lot tells us in the Quran not not to engage these people in a bad hateful way, but rather, in a way that is better, a way that is better, not worse. Now, I've taken some liberties today. And I've been really pretty tough in a way, because I was trying to make some points to your mind that when you think about it later, you think, well, even though it's kind of crude, still, how could? How could a man walking on the earth?
Growing up
in a body,
eating, drinking, going to the toilet?
himself not knowing the future according to the statements we have even in English Bible that he doesn't know. But only the father knows. Then how are you going to turn around and say, okay, that's God.
Except by years of continuous saying the same thing over and over and over.
Here's another one, I want to just I'm just going to deal with the ones that are really coming to me about our lecture. It said, doesn't Jesus say that I and the Father are the same?
If somebody you don't have to acknowledge that you wrote this, but if you want to just raise your hand, the one who wrote it, if you want to,
if you don't want to don't?
Okay, because what I was going to ask is, if you had a new Bible that I didn't know about,
because all the others say I and the Father are One
is that everybody knows that one? Yeah. I don't know. They're they've got a new one out, says me and the father the same, then
the problem you have, whether you say it like this, or or one, this would be easier actually to explain. And it helps you to understand that obviously, they're not the same, because if you said, myself and another entity are the same, then you made a comparison, and did not indicate that you are one, right.
For instance, that my Rhonda and myself were the same. Have you looked at him and you look at me and say,
he's cuter than you use of them?
You owe me anything.
But you can look at us and see whatever, right? My beard is wider than his mustache. Right?
Right.
But my son was saying, you'd be like, how about Muslims?
True. love Allah. One good agenda. Do Salah patterns. Today, we're the same, in what way? In what we believe in what we do.
True.
But are we one yet? We're one in belief. One in our desire? We're definitely one in the direction we want to go. is one.
In our attitude, yeah.
But are we the exact same? Are we the same one living in the same body? I don't think so.
No, now,
the fact that you identify another object outside of yourself, and then compare it to yourself means it's a comparison, regardless of the conclusion you come up with. It can't be one in the same. Because that would be like me saying, Well, me and myself were the same. Okay, that's fine. Say that me and myself are the same. Me Myself and I all three of us are the same. No problem. That works. But as soon as you try to say that, well,
me and anything outside of yourself is the same, then you're talking about indirection in purpose in appearance, something, but certainly not the same one.
I'm glad you use the word same because you've cleared it up for yourself. It doesn't know word one, in this case didn't mean the same one. It's not the same one. So good. Things like that. Good one. Another one.
Nope, not applicable. Was Jesus married? How many know the answer? Was he married? No. Okay. So that throws away all of those stories that they come up with about Jesus and running off with Mary Magdalene and having some kids and all the rest of it. Don't get too excited here or look at this. There are people who have
believe this for almost 2000 years, they consider themselves descendants of Jesus. They are the royal bloodline of Jesus, according to them, from the Mongolian Empire and even into France. And even in the 1990s, there was a guy who really believed he was a descendant of Jesus.
And they have an idea that someday they're going to be taken over the world.
Oh, yeah. You don't you don't believe me read messianic legacy. The research, these were real researchers that put it together and that and the difficulties they went through because of some of these guys plan with them.
messianic legacy, read it you can get at Barnes and Noble amazon books. So good question. Thank you said I saw a documentary about that. And National Geographic Oh, well, now there's a group of people that never lie.
These are the same people that said we came from monkeys, if we will remember that. Thank you very much.
What does Islam say about that? Not the monkey thing. The other one. It's clear. We know that Jesus, when He comes back, he will get married. And he will have children. This is what we know from the heads of the province.
I don't know why you're interested in know that. Maybe it was from a sister.
It says here is good question.
Children. It says
did Jesus say you must love your enemy? According to Islam? No. No, you don't have to love your enemies.
feels better already.
But by the way, I don't know any Christian groups today that are excited to practice that, especially if they consider that terrorists are their enemies. I don't see them going out with flowers and candy. We love you. We thought.
Come on, let's be practical. Okay? Do you live in a real world or dream world?
What Islam teaches this though, and this is far more important. It teaches us we cannot abuse our enemies. It teaches us in Islam, it is forbidden to torture your enemies. For instance, making them remove their clothes and parade around with a dog collar on their neck.
And any other number of tortures that we may have heard about. Islam doesn't permit that. You cannot even put them down, insult them, spit on them things like this. It was never permitted. And I'll give you the closest evidence that I can tell my head about this. During a war now people in confrontation to you in war battling you on the spot, shooting at us stabbing at you trying to kill you on the spot. Would you consider that an enemy yes or no.
This is a real enemy. And you're going to be out there loving them.
I'm serious. Or you're fighting them. And this is normal. You should be fighting them because they're trying to kill you. They're trying to take away your country and take away your you know, whatever. And you're in the military you're fighting so what are you supposed to do? fight?
If nothing else, at least run real fast.
But you know, stand there and try to start a conversation. What don't you think we really should love each other?
Keeping that in mind.
Keeping keeping that in mind.
At the time of Muhammad peace be upon him there was a battle and they were fighting their enemies. their enemies were the most raquin idolaters the pagans who hated the fact that they were saying there was only one God.
They didn't like it. They considered that perhaps ma Muhammad peace be upon him is been swayed over to the Jewish or the Christian religion. That's what they were considering
that he's talking about this one god so they didn't like that.
They were fighting them killing them. And in one of those battles, the cousin of the Prophet Mohammed named Ali Ronnie alojado
with his sword was fighting against one of them one of their enemies. And at that stage, the other one spit on him because it became obvious that earlier
I think he lost mandsaur broker dropped it. In any case, it became obvious he was going to be slaughtered right then and there. So he went
and spit right on Ali.
Now ask yourself a fair question. What would you do in the same case? Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Cuz he was gonna kill him anyway, he was ready to go. So he stopped yes or no.
And what did he say? He's the man
or not, he said, had I killed you before? I would have been killing you for a long. But if I do it now it would be for myself. And that's not permitted.
Do we really want to pursue this? Do you really want to know what Islam teaches? Or do you want to just consider over and over Yeah, but but but yeah, but but but yeah, but but but
I went through it. It wasn't easy. But somewhere along the line, you've got to take responsibility for your actions. And you've got to take responsibility for your mistakes. And say, I made a mistake. This is a boo boo. And I want to correct it. I want to fix it. I want to go the right way. And then finally, when you realize that the best thing we can do is share and that's what Muslims are supposed to do with everything. We're supposed to share our wealth we're supposed to share in everything that we have in sharing knowledge. Certainly we should share Islam true.com share islam.com until next time, salaam aleikum wa rahmatullah.
Oh, we got some news here. We got some special news. I just found out that someone wanted to enter Islam. So if you don't want to stay and see that you can go ahead and go
into Islam. Is it from the sister side or the brother side?
Tell us
tell us your name.
Mashallah, it's very nice to meet you. Now, did you know about Islam? Just for
three or four months? That's more than I had when I got started.
You like Islam?
You believe there's only one God? I know. You don't need to worry.
And you believe Muhammad is His messenger? No doubt.
Easy.
Yeah, that Muhammad is His Messenger.
Okay, good. No doubt. She said. All right. No, the next thing is, if you come into Islam, there are six things we believe. We believe in Allah, his one.
The only God, we believe in the angels. Allah has angels. We believe in the books Allah sent books to people to read to understand what is the religion and we believe in the prophets, all the prophets of God, we believe in the day of judgment will be brought back for judgment. And we believe in Allah has power over everything. He already knows what's going to happen. You accept all that? Yeah. No doubt.
Okay.
Ese
is excited.
All right.
The next question I want to ask is about the five things Muslims do. The first is to make a public declaration which you're doing now. The next one is to establish worship five times a day. No problem.
I'm going to learn everything you're reading. Okay. That's great. And we fast the month of Ramadan, and we pay zakat charity and we make Hajj pilgrimage. Okay, sure. If you change your mind, we have to cut your head off.
Strike that out. Back to take off
I can't believe he said that. Oh,
by the way, I'm from Texas. I can't help it.
Say this after me. Just repeat after me. Okay. We're gonna do an English and Arabic. Okay? You know Arabic? No. Okay, here we go. Ready? Okay. I swear.
There's no God to worship
except Allah, Allah. And I swear.
Muhammad is His Messenger.
Okay, now hold on, hold on, hold on.
Now we'll do Arabic
en la ilaha illallah wa
Muhammad Rasulullah
now
Okay, hold on, hold on. It's a custom of the Muslims, we always have the new Muslims
in it.
It's Boys, boys, girls, girls. So go to the girls, they're gonna give you a big hug.
We're very happy for your sister. Congratulations on coming to slack.
Another one.
Oh my god.
This is the lovely surprise, isn't it? You know why we're excited. By the way, some of you you don't know why we're so excited. Anytime somebody enters Islam, if you're there, you get huge blessings from Allah, there's forgiveness that comes down on all of us, forgiving us and forgiving us. Because anytime somebody enters Islam, it's like they were born again. They're coming into the fold of real submission to Almighty God. This is what Jesus preached. This is what john the baptist preach. This is what Islam is teaching us that this is really doing what you were created to do, to give over your will to the will of God. So after me, first of all your name.
It's very nice to meet you. And we're excited for you. Are you excited? Okay, and after you heard what I told her, so everything's okay. All right, you can kind of look to everybody here. So don't know who you are, and you'll know who they are. These are going to be your new brothers and sisters just in a couple seconds. Ready? I swear. There's no God to worship, there's no God, except the one true God.
And I swear, Muhammad is His Messenger.
Now the Arabic eyeshadow
en la ilaha
illallah wa illallah wa shadow.
Muhammad Rasulullah Shula.
Very happy,
very, very happy for you. And I have something that I want to share. It takes about five minutes after we get done and tell you all about it. But these girls can't wait to give you a big hug. So get over there and greet your new sisters.
One of these notes up here asked me a very special question. And I didn't know how to respond to it. So I didn't read it. But I'll do it. Now. There's somebody here who said that they are Muslim, but they never got to do Shahada. And they know it's a part of Islam. They wanted to be able to do the Shahada. And I know that everywhere I go I find Muslims etc. I mean, even I have to do it. Well, why are you an exception? You're a Muslim? Yeah. Why don't you do Chara should nobody ever told me. So the easiest way for you to do this, and it's a very beautiful thing in Islam. Because from this moment, when you walk out of here, you'll have a whole new lease on life, you'll have strength that
you never had before, to fight against the devil. If you've never made Shahada, or if you want to renew your Shahada, and some of you know exactly what I'm talking about. We talked about some of the things that can cancel your Islam. This is a great time to join me because I'm standing I'm gonna
Do it. Harris is gonna do it.
Stand up
if you want to renew your Shahada or make Shahada Okay, now if you don't believe there's only one God, don't stand up. And if you don't believe that the if you don't believe that Muhammad is His Messenger, don't stand up. But if you don't believe it, this is a great chance to join all of us, so that nobody really knows who did or didn't, it's fine. It's good, because Muslims bear witness every day, five times a day, we're all saying, I bear witness, there's only one.
So what we're doing now,
and I already understand where some of you coming from, oh, I knew better. Okay, good. Thank you very much for that. I got news for you. This is something very important to help the Muslims today who've never made Shahada.
And especially for those who would like to join Islam, but didn't want to do it in front of a whole group looking at them, these two ladies had a lot of courage to walk up here. Last night in Stockholm, we had one ready to do Shahada, but just couldn't get in front of people. So by us all getting up together, made easy for her. And 100. Well, she accepted Islam along with us reaffirming our belief in the law. Now if you don't want to do it, you don't have to find into it. But me I'll take any kind of Iser I can get from Allah if he accepts somebody's Shahada, and then lets me get forgiven along the way. I love it. Okay, and no hard feelings if you don't do it don't. Here we are.
Remember this? If you don't believe it, don't stand up. And don't say it. What do you do? Okay?
Allah ilaha
illallah
wa, Shadow,
Mohammed.
Now that was the bitter part because we didn't say tech beer.
The important information for those who just accepted Islam and you weren't Muslim before. But now you know that you said it. You feel good about it.
You want to do something about it? edgeless.
Just one minute.
When you said it, if you said it was sincerity, then on that place, and in that time, allow forgave any mistakes you made since the time you were born. All of it's gone, it's gone.
Whatever you did before is gone. It's over shaytan has no power on you any more. He has nothing to hold over you. Because you did the hardest thing there is to do. And that's to overcome this arrogance of Hey, you know who I am, because that's his problem. Now, the next thing for you to do is when Salah comes do sure you make although for the latest news, they'll explain some things to you about that. But if you're able to do the salon, you should do the Salah. Be sure you get your head on the ground. Good. Because this is what shaitan can't do.
Oh yeah. And every time you do this, remember, he can't because he doesn't want to, and he won't. But you can. As much as you can do your salon every day on time. as prescribed in Islam, this is something very good for you, for me, for all of us. And when it's time for Ramadan, the fasting is going to be easy for you this time, because you've got something working for you. And for some of the sisters you didn't wear her job, we maybe work took it off. Forget about all that. That's over history. Tomorrow, come out with the best new job there is.
Joy, rather some of you scraping that stuff off your face every day. Leave it alone.
Leave it alone, okay? Don't get my chair fine. You don't have to worry about it. You get a lot of cool
tips for us. But do your best for all things to remember. And when you need anything, don't be looking at your horoscope. Don't be looking for a lucky horseshoe or lucky rabbit's foot.
If you heard about the lucky rabbit's foot. If you're this they have that over you. Take a rabbit's foot and consider it Good luck. It's not good luck for the rabbit he's on crutches going.
And knocking on wood and all that kind of stuff. Leave all of that alone. Just
from all of you from us, and I asked the Lord to forgive us for any mistake, join us together in his Jennifer for dosa.