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Wabarakat today brothers and sisters wherever you may
be in the world we greet you with
the greetings of Jannah, the greetings of the
muslims and that is assalamu alaykum.
We wanna give salaams to salaman even though
we're in the same country, we're in different
parts of the country, the modern technologies of
the world. That's a hint brothers and sisters
for this live stream.
You joined with me, alhamdulillah uman,
a supporter of Islam 21c and none other
than the head of Islamic thinking no, the
head of Islamic thought because he's thinking Islamic
things. So, Salman, tell us first and foremost,
is that actually really your title? What does
it mean? And tell us a bit about
Islam 21 season
We maybe haven't heard Islam 21 c. And
tell us the new things about Islam 21
c that, the avid followers might not know
about Islam 21 c. C. Hey.
Assalamu alaikum
brothers and sisters. Saman Bahia.
I was formerly the chief editor. Now my
role is, head Islamic thought. An assumption is,
see, basically,
we're here. Our vision is to see Muslims
confident and impacting the world, and we do
this by with transformational digital content. Alhamdulillah, we've
been around for since before I joined,
almost 19
18, 20 18, 19 years,
And Alhamdulillah, yeah, our core focus is transformational
digital content. And,
for our brothers and sisters joining a different
platform, we just,
maybe might not know who we are. You
might be joining on Usad Yusha Evans platform
as well. So, mashaAllah, he's gonna be joining
us soon, inshallah.
But until then, it's gonna be myself and,
Osman,
having a chat with you and, maybe talking
about Assamtron, see, talking about the topic the
topic today.
The story
battles, story wars, the the importance of narratives,
the importance of,
discourse. I always say one of the motivating
things for me, when it comes to Islam,
20 MC work is I always say that
we want, as Muslims, we want to be
authors of our own narratives
instead of being characters in someone else's story.
Right? So that's something I feel personally very
strongly about and what kind of motivates a
lot of our work here in SLM 21
c.
Osman, how's your, did you saw your voice?
You look a bit frozen today. Is it
cold where you are?
Okay. So right. There you are. Yes, Mary.
I'm back on the screen.
There.
So hopefully, my sound is a bit better
now.
I look a bit like
a a certain person. Your, your your new
call center
day job. You're such a racist just because
I've got brown skin. I was gonna say
I look like a gamer. I feel like
I've got the gaming gear on. Maybe that's
a hidden coming, bro. The gamer the mostly,
the gaming league's coming. The the real game
is coming.
But look, dear brothers and sisters,
tonight is all about Islam 21 c and
helping Islam 21 c in its,
battle, in its game, in its challenges
with portraying Muslim thought, Muslim thinking,
Muslim voices, and the Muslim message in the
21st century
on the 21st platform. And, unfortunately,
I was suffer suffering from from a bit
of a fat finger syndrome. I went to
touch my device, and I ended up touching
something, and then I disappeared,
so no discrimination, please, against fat finger syndrome.
All jokes aside, though, look, we need you
to get involved this really simple time.
Yeah. Yeah. Fat fingers, life matter,
now all jokes aside, look, brothers and sisters,
it's very, very simple. Tonight we need 50
brothers and sisters. We need 50 brothers and
sisters who are,
ajdrepreneurs,
who are investors,
to invest to mine £100 each to help
Islam 21 c on its journey
of tackling,
the mainstream media in portraying Muslim thought, in
portraying Muslim news, and giving Muslims,
a platform
in the 21st century. And look, Tonight is
all about understanding why it's important. Muslims are
in the 21st century. We've got, unfortunately, many
Muslims,
in Masajid. Look, Alhamdulillah, this Ramadan, I've been
in a few, Masajid. Right now, I'm actually
sat in,
the a private accommodation attached to a masjid,
so it's like the flat but there's no
one here at the Imam's flat.
And I've been in a few masjid this
this Ramadan and unfortunately many of them don't
do anything for their community. They literally the
masjid for them, alhamdulillah, they pray salah and
that's it. There's nothing more. If if a
child comes in, it's an audible, what is
a child doing here? Kick him at the
back. They they moved. They made a sound.
But dear brothers and sisters, look. Children are
are scouring the Internet using all sorts of
apps from TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat,
to the simple things of WhatsApp,
to even going a bit more rudimentary into
emails, all of these platforms and ways of
communication
came about in really the 21st century. That's
when they really kicked off.
So we want to be a part of
that change and that movement, and we want
to make sure we have a voice. And
something that I want to share which is
really profound, and I I think Salman will
will, will really emphasize on it because he
likes talking about it. But it's about,
the algorithms
of
these platforms and how they operate. And something
which is quite scary,
but in fact, it shows you the importance
and the impact of some of these apps.
So it's stated,
or it's mentioned or or it said that
the Chinese government have a stake in TikTok.
Whether this is correct or incorrect, we don't
know. Yeah? But they effectively have some power
in it. But ironically
TikTok in and of itself is banned within
China. You can you have an alternative version
of it but it's very different to the
reality of TikTok which exists in the west,
exists in the African continent,
the North Americas, the Europes, the English speaking
world. And if you look at the English
speaking world in TikTok, you'll find that it's
very
sad. It's very dark. It's very gloomy. But
if you look at the alternative in,
China,
it's very positive. It's very good. It's all
about encouraging
their youth to have a positive outcome,
outlook on life and to do positive things.
And this is important
why we need to have an understanding
about these apps and how we can gain
the best from them and to spread our
message. And this is really what tonight is
all about. It's about giving
Islam the appropriate
voice in the 21st century with the understanding
the classical understanding,
but implementing it within the 21st century. So
I think, Salman, this is really your topic.
You love talking about the algorithms and
social media and how they're corrupting us and
making us all as you say, is trying
to make us all dumb. Right? But I'm
sure you're gonna elaborate on that. But before
we do,
please please go to islam 21c.comforward/live.
That's where you can donate. And, also, you
can call up on WhatsApp, which is plus
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433-414.
We've got Noah.
Noah, tell us where you're calling from. We've
got another person, which I'll let Salman try
to say that name, and they'll say Go
for a legend.
Go for it. Back to you. Go on,
Salman. You can try that one.
But serenity,
Assalamu alaikum. We got Gold Conglidgen again, giving
double slam. We got
Osman Khan saying,
brother Yusha. He's coming inshallah. He's,
obviously, because of the time difference, he's gonna
be joining us,
probably halfway through inshallah.
But, yeah, we one one of the reasons
why we're doing these streams in a shorter
burst, I think you might some of us
might remember a few years ago, we did
a much longer one. But we wanted to
spread them out and make sure we get
some,
and as Sheikh Haitham said on the first
night, this is like this is, you know,
a very important part of our Ibadah as
well in terms of,
institution building, defending Islam and Muslims, and our
narratives and so forth, and and, spreading those.
And,
we made it so that people can pray,
with the imam. InshaAllah, pray Isha, pray Taraweeh.
Then in that break, come and, you know,
listen to live stream and and have a
conversation and benefit
ourselves in the Ummah, Insha'Allah. And then we
can go afterwards and pray more Qiyam ourselves
either at home or if your message is
doing qiyamulayl
or night prayer.
So, yeah,
we're gonna be,
you know, you know,
diversifying our tonight, inshallah. And, brother Yusha is
gonna be, joining us.
Usman, you mentioned
I went to,
you mentioned,
you know, phones and algorithms and stuff like
that,
TikTok.
I mentioned this in,
in Yusha Yusha's local masjid. He's in the
same local masjid as Shekha, the epic mosque.
Epic masjid, which is very rather epic.
Is it actually called Epic Masjid or is
that acronym for the It's an East Plano
Islamic Center.
It's an acronym and it's also a good,
description.
And, that that's what I spoke about because
I always always gonna I always get annoyed,
you know, when I see,
parents just give the kids,
devices and stuff, and they don't know themselves
how to, you know, set them so the
kids are safe. You know, the other
a few years ago I found like pictures
of the wall,
a light, the floor on my phone
And I was like, where do these come
from? It turns out a 1 year old
baby
had realized
he found my phone. It, she had realized
how to discover how to unlock or unlock
the phone app, start taking pictures. So, you
know, this is this is, this is, gonna
be a part of our kids',
future generations' lives,
unless there's some kind of, you know,
digital apocalypse or something.
Some some war between,
you know, mankind and machine. But until then,
you know, this this is part of our
lives. So we need to know how, you
know, how to keep our ourselves and our
kids safe. And a brother I know who's
been working in this, field of, of of
narratives and of,
you know, from a kind of,
a very senior level,
from a macro perspective. He's he's told me
about, you know, bots that are out there
that are
looking
for sisters' pictures that are you know, that
that they can,
glean Muslimness, you know, like hijab or when
you're saying Bismillah Insha'Allah, that kind of stuff,
And brothers and, you know, subtly sending them,
types of content that are, you know, designed
to shake the iman, designed to spread the
specious arguments,
fallacious arguments about, Islam and so forth. And
this is what, you know, this is what,
the this is the the the struggle we're
in. This is what jihad we're in. This
is actually a khatim said in the 1st
night.
This is, you know, probably more important than,
the, you know, other types of Jial, like
physical,
resistance and
and and and defense and so forth, is
the the the the struggle of the narratives,
you know, and and the truth and so
forth. Just today in the salah,
the you know, we're on the portion of
the Quran which contains Musa Bihat, you know,
these these beautiful Surahs the Sahaba used to
call like a garden That start with tasbih
of Allah.
You
know, Allah, everything on the in the heavens
and the earth glorifies Allah. Everything is glorifying
Allah. And in one of them, Allah Subhanahu
Wa Ta'ala says,
All you have believed, should I direct you
to a business,
venture that will save you from a pain
from punishment?
You know, you have iman Allah and his
messenger, and you carry out jihad with your
wealth
and your self. So this is something you
know, it hit me just in the salah
because, obviously, I knew we were doing this
this thing, and I was just thinking, oh,
count us amongst
those Mujahideen. I don't wanna close down our
accounts or anything, but count us amongst those
people
who are carrying out jihad bil amwal, you
know, and with our time, with our efforts.
Because it is any effort,
you know, it's contrary to popular misconceptions and
so forth. Jihad has nothing to do with
terrorism, nothing to do with, you know, harming
innocents and so forth. Jihad is any effort,
any
activity for Ila kalimatullah,
to raise Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala's World highest.
And in those very same Surahs Allah
says,
You know, he's the one who sent his
messenger with guidance and the clear and the
upright Deen.
So
the the theory and the practice.
Right?
Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala sent the prophecies with
these two things, guidance and practical solutions,
and and guidance for how to act and
and and so forth.
So that it may become imminent over all
other ways, and this is something we've seen
since the beginning of Islam. But in the
last, you know, in the last 100 or
200 years or so, we've seen that, weaken
because of
various various, reasons. And we heard, you know,
also in in a few nights back, the
imam was perhaps reciting a dua, very odd
dua you might think, you know, there's 2
places in the Quran, this dua comes,
on a similar duas
O Allah, don't make us a trial or
tribulation for the disbelievers. Don't make us a
trial or tribulation for the wrongdoers.
I think whenever I heard this I always
think you know this is what's
the what's the meaning behind this? Why would
you not what what what's this about? And
the tafsir is is very beautiful. It's like,
the sahaba as they explained the prophet
taught them that you don't the Muslims, we
take it for we we we don't we
we take it for granted,
and and it's perhaps very,
odd in terms of our history as an
Ummah that Islam hasn't been clear and obvious,
like a superpower
in the world for people to recognize, okay,
this is this is where
God's
prophets of the old were pointing to, you
know in these very same surahs we had
today as well. Isa alaihis salam is giving
glad tidings of the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wasallam
is
giving glad tidings of the Prophet sallallahu alaihi
wasallam is giving glad tidings of the Prophet
sallallahu alaihi wasallam is coming. All the prophets
they were pointing to this this ummah that's
about to arrive right? This Messenger, final Messenger
that's about to arrive.
And for when we pray to Allah don't
make us a trial for the disbelievers,
the tafsir is don't let the Muslims become
weak and incapable of carrying out our job
such that any wrongdoer,
any disbeliever might think that because of their
the weakness of Islam in public,
their their falsehood is truth.
Yeah. So
for for
maybe 1200 or 1400 years of the Ummah's
history,
Islam has been obvious and it's anyone who's
searching,
It's been obvious for them who is, if
you're imagining where is where is God's final
message, where is God's people, you know, from
people looking from different perspective, from different prophets
of old and so forth. And they would
eventually
recognize, okay, this this huge superpower.
Excuse me. But right now, there's so much,
nonsense in the in the kind of information,
that age. There's so much
noise. Exactly. It's hard to find that that
that signal the signal through the noise. That's
why it's very important for us to try
and kind of raise that the signal of
just a very simple truth, you know, just
very simple facts about Islam, about Allah and
His Messenger sallallahu alaihi wa sallam, about our
Deen, our guidance, our solutions
and people would naturally
gravitate towards that. How many people are there?
They don't you know, they haven't heard,
they haven't heard
Muslims talk about Islam from their own perspective.
You know? No, Saman. Just to just to
add on to that. I think, look, there's
2 things here. 1 is the the reality
of the truth
and the truth being apparent and the truth
being,
spread. I think this is one thing. So
the look, the the truth is apparent. We
know what it is.
And I think the second thing is how
do you spread that truth? You can actually
do that by communicating, talking, writing, etcetera.
But in the 21st century, you really need
to understand
how,
the different platforms, how media works in the
21st century. Because if you don't, and I
said, about noise, you'll be drowned out. Speaking
of noise, I think you need to put
the mic close to your mouth and getting
some messages saying. Okay. Can you is that
better now? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So what
I was saying was It's a claim that
makes you wanna upgrade my broadband.
Allah. Allah.
299, please, sir. Thank you. And I give
you free provideings?
Yes, brother. That's the one. So look, brothers
and sisters, we want you to get involved
tonight. We're looking for some people to come
forward.
Whether you can give, a £100 or you
can give £50 or give £25, you can
do that, inshallah. If we get lots of
people coming forward
and helping, whatever it may be, brothers and
sisters,
take the challenge. Maybe there's someone out there
who said, look, I can raise a 1,000
pound, and I'm gonna go and find 20
of my friends and family to give £50
each to make that £1,000.
Well, I'm gonna commit over the next 12
months to give that £1,000. Or it you
know what? I'm gonna give £10 to this.
Don't let this opportunity pass you by to
be of those who not only defend it
but spread the message of Al Islam. Dear
brothers and sisters, the reality is what? That
after 9/11 took place,
what happened? There was a massive increase in
the search of Islam, Qurans. There was a
massive, increase in the purchase of Qurans,
which naturally led to an increase of the
number of most, people becoming Muslim,
from a non Muslim background.
Likewise, from, the most recent attacks,
and the start of, really, this genocide,
that's taking place in Gaza,
What has happened?
The increase of people's awareness of what Islam
is, why are they doing what they're doing?
Why is there such an outpour from someone
who is black or white or Asian or
whatever the the the color tone that they
may have, but they don't speak. They speak
Hindi or they speak Arabic or they speak,
some
very distant language that has no connection to
the Middle East? Why are they concerned
with what's happening in Gaza?
And they make this connection, and they understand
that Islam is a universal religion for everybody,
for every time and every place, and its
principles are fixed for the best for humanity.
And once they realize this, what is the
natural thing that happens, people start to accept
Islam as we've got some very, very good
examples
post October 7th,
of some notable people becoming Muslims, people who
are pro Israeli, for example.
They then became Muslim, and they understood
why what's what's actually happening. It's really important,
dear brothers and sisters, that the truth is
out there. Alhamdulillah, this is one of many
platforms that, is pushing the truth, but it's
also about how you get the truth to
the most number of people. And the reality,
dear brothers and sisters, TV was that solution,
or it may still be, but the reality
is this, it's changing or it's changed. Now
social media, the Internet is that thing. Look.
We've got brothers
from 3 different parts of Europe,
on this very team now. We've got a
brother, Masha'Allah, who's, in Europe. We've got Salman,
who's based in one part of London myself.
I'm based in another part of London on
this podcast. We've got people tuning in from
different parts of the world. We had a
couple of people.
We had Serenity.
We had,
I think some are called Usman. We had
a couple of other people. Please let us
know where you're interacting and where you're watching
from because this is the reality of the
Internet, and we need you to get involved
in.
Mhmm. Mhmm.
Excellent. I'll just, I just forgot to, share
around the
Sharing.
Sharing is caring, Salman. Yeah.
And look, Salman, do you know do you
know on this very point, you're talking about
sharing? Yeah. It's exceptionally important. You are mentioning
about,
that you had the struggle
of, defending Islam in every shape and facet,
and this is one of them. The simple,
the simple action of sharing a message or
asking others to tune in, ask liking,
commenting, all of these things are small actions
that have huge consequences,
when lots of people do them collectively. So
it's really important,
that we want you to get involved. We're
still looking for that first caller and the
first confirmation of someone donating tonight. Is that
gonna be you? Was that gonna be somebody
else? I think what we'll do for those
who,
aren't so familiar with Islam 21 c, we've
got some slides.
We'll ask Salman to put them up, and
hopefully,
you can see them in.
Okay, miss.
Hey.
Somebody's taking them off again.
There you
go. So this is our,
vision to see most of it's empowered and
impacting the world
and,
our new mission
to educate and we educate and inspire Muslims
with divine guidance and solutions through transformational digital
content.
So, Salman, just on that one, when we
talk about,
divine guidance and solutions and digital content, what
does that mean in reality? Can you take
donations from the US?
Of course, we can.
Serenity,
please please give something. We'll accept dollars.
Hopefully, pounds works better for us, but no
problem. If you go if you go to
Islam 21c.comforward/live,
you'll be able to donate via. There shouldn't
be a problem with that currency.
I accept it from you. If you are
gonna donate, hopefully, you're the first,
and you can, be the the snowball effect
for others and get their,
And maybe if this is
this night, then, you have the reward of
of having 83 years worth of it giving
sadaqah for every single moment. Just going back
to it, we talked about divine guidance. I
think that's very clear. That's, Islamic principles.
And then we're talking about solutions
and giving solutions through digital content. So maybe
just what does that mean?
How do you do that?
Yes. So, I mean, one of the things
that was,
it was actually,
made made things difficult to explain to some
and to pigeonhole it historically is we talk
about
everything
that is relevant to Muslims in a very
interconnected way. It's not
just news. It's not just for Tawah. It's
not just, you know, spiritual guidance. Not just,
important,
spiritual reminders. It's not just prayer times, for
example, or or fatawa about that or, student
loans or student finance or,
you know, summer prayer times, but everything in
an interconnected way. Right? So how to interpret
what's happening around us. We get,
our kind of the the the kind of
unique perspective is it's not just here's here's
what's happening, but here's what's happening
through the lens of and through with some
analysis from scholars, Muslim experts, even non Muslim
experts in the field that's important for Muslims
to know about, for example, you know, what's
happening in, you know, the ICJ or whatever
in terms of against,
against the Zionist entity. So it's very you
know, we we bring this,
expert kind of,
Islamic ethos and and perspective
to these,
issues, to whatever's happening,
in the world, for example, in terms of
our current affairs.
And you we current affairs. And Islam 21
c does that in a variety of digital
content from,
what you're seeing now, live streams, to the
classical writing articles, and there's different types of
articles which
will touch upon, and how the article
layout has changed recently
or or or right, in the in the
recent past, it's changed to podcasts, to infographics,
to all sorts of things, alhamdulillah,
even in the physical realm of having campaigns,
which involve protests and demonstrations,
which will all come on to,
in a moment, Insha'Allah.
Yeah. So because, you know, see our
our vision, it has, impact in it. It's
not just kind of empowering Muslims with something
theoretical,
but to actually get them to to impact,
the world around them, to be impactful people.
So excuse me. So
so,
we started campaigns, for example, and this has
always been, you know, on on our,
you know, on our radar in terms of
when we talk about something, want it to
be transformative, hence transformation in, digital content,
wanting not just kind of be able to,
talk theory, but get you know, what do
what what do we want the Muslims to,
you know, do for this thing, for example?
So now every article we had a big
rebrand,
less than a year ago now. And every
article now has some, for example,
action points, you know, to to clarify, to
distill because we did a big listening exercise
with some interviews with,
a few dozen,
and and surveys with a few 100 of
our,
kind of avid readers. And this is, you
know, the way we we followed the the,
kind of feedback, make making things shorter and
more concise as as well as having separate
section for longer reads. So,
yeah, we do that in very many ways.
I'm just looking at some comments now.
I wanna There was a comment just popped
up. We can come back on the screen.
I think it was Serenity, and they were
asking think the donation's done.
So let let's make a dua for,
serenity. We ask Allah
to give you serenity in this life and
serenity in the next. We ask Allah
that this is a means for you to
enter into Jannah. And if you're already granted
Jannah, then this is a means for you
to elevate in your rank in Jannah. We
ask
Allah that he blesses you and your family
and grant you all an accepted Ramadan.
Ameen. Ameen. Ameen.
So, Salman, one of the one of the
things I I I have to say with
Islam 21 c, that was the big change
was when you go into articles
that they have, right at the top, you
have,
buttons if you want to save. You highlight
the different parts of the article. It'll take
you down to it. It gives you a
sort of synopsis, a summary of the article,
which is something really, really good. It's a
very, very good improvement.
Yeah. I think Keep putting on the screen.
You
yeah. Go for it. We can talk talk
about more about this one. Just, like, the
rebrand,
The action points and the summary of our
of of of guidance on the top. We
have a donation another donation.
Love
oh,
You need to say and then I think
there's a person maybe in your house that,
is gonna join in with us. So I'm
just waiting for it.
You told me
This this this was subject,
to a bit of controversy,
2 nights ago when we did it. Yeah.
I heard it. It was it was being
discriminated against.
Yeah. Somebody said I'll donate £50 if you,
if you don't put that takbir on again.
Assiba.
Assiba.
Assiba,
tell us, where are you tuning in from,
and what is your favorite part about Islam
21 c,
and why you're going to
Maybe she's brand new to Islam 21 c?
Yeah. If you are, how did you hear
about us? Yeah.
So you're telling about us about the articles,
some of, the changes.
We're we're still Salman, your your haters are
still there when it comes to your Takbid,
So give them something
something to make some We got a few
different,
things that we we followed
people's,
requests.
We got the
brother.
Yeah.
I like that one. That's amazing.
So look. Let's go back to these parts
of course. Done. I don't I I need
a I need a way I need a,
context to to play this one in.
What's
that?
I I was gonna give you a context
up until the last point. Request.
We had one of the requests to get
that as well, so I need to engineer
some kind of, context for that to come
in. You
know,
brother and sisters,
the the power of media, the individual who,
basically said that,
their brother,
Muhammad
bless him, protect him and his family and
grant him, Jannah Ameen Arab.
He he said this, and to be honest,
I didn't know this until,
I think a youngster showed it to me.
I'm speaking like I'm old, but someone much
younger than me, they showed it to me,
and it was a meme. And it's it's
funny because he's on the other side of
the planet where we're in darkness, and I'm
sure and they're they're in the daytime now.
We're at night and vice versa, because he's
based all the way in Australia. But yet,
sat here in the UK and and other
parts in the world other parts of the
world,
this is being spread, and people are utilizing
it in all sorts of shapes and ways.
And it just shows you the power of
media and how quickly
I see that's we got some we got
people on the other side of the world
now.
We're fasting.
But don't don't drink in front of them.
So my sister said, we're still in the
UK. We can tell by your energy, you
broke your fast really. We're still fasting in
the USA.
We broke it about, I think 4 hours
ago, 5 hours ago, or something like that.
Well,
we ask Allah to accept your fast, and
we ask Allah to make it a means
for you to attain something beautiful in Jannah.
And brothers, sisters, just on on the topic
of fasting,
why is fasting,
so amazing?
And why is it so epic? And why
is it so unique in terms of an
action, or any?
And one of those many things is that
and and it's quite profound, actually, that the
reward for fasting
isn't actually
if you want to say prescribed or isn't
actually stated,
anywhere in text very clearly.
So it's not said if you fast, you
shall get x or you should get y
as a minimum.
What is known is the person who fasts,
they'll have a reward equal to their fast.
Meaning, if they fast just for their hunger,
then they'll be,
just to stop eating, basically, then they'll get
a reward for that. If they if they
fast
and they have a a highly,
a slightly high level of fasting, so they
they stop doing certain actions, they they start
praying, and they do all these other things
while fasting, then they'll have their reward. And
then the highest level is a person who
refrains from the spiritual
things, which will impact them spiritually. So the
likes of backbiting, looking at things we shouldn't,
hearing things we shouldn't, saying things we shouldn't,
and they will have the highest level of
reward. And that reward, dear brothers and sisters,
is with Allah. Allah is the one who
will determine
your reward as you fast because at the
end of the day, no one knows you're
fasting. You could go into as we do
with children,
you give them you give them the example
that if you go around the corner and
eat at Christmas, no one will see you.
And they'll be like, yeah. No one will
see me. And they said, but Allah will
always see you. So we all have this.
We can do these things, but,
fasting
is one of those amazing,
actions and deeds of Allah or acts of
worship. And something also unique about it is
fasting is one of the acts of worship
where you can do other acts of worship
while doing it. So we pray salah. We
read Quran.
What else do we do? We do give
sadaqa. Many of us pay our Zakat while
we're fasting in this month. Many of us
even,
some of the days of Hajj, they fast
in those early days or while they're in
in in Mina, they're fasting. So it's an
amazing,
it's an amazing that has so many benefits
and reward. So let Deborah and the sisters,
for those who are fasting now, I've got
a really good hint for you. I've got
a really good tip. Give some
while you're fasting inshallah. So how you can
do that is you can go to Islam
21c,
dot com forward slash live. It's gonna pop
up on your screen in a moment from
our dear brother from,
all the way from Holland. He's gonna magically
appear on the screen now.
Isn't that right, brother? Just wait. Yep.
It came up there. Yeah. That was Salman,
that was the perfect
brother.
So, yeah, look. It's it's really important, dear
brothers and sisters. Salman,
I just wanna come back to the point
of,
the power of media and the importance
of having a Muslim voice.
So
if we could talk about some examples
of,
certain platforms and how how they treat Muslim
content.
And and Yeah. Go on. I I was
just thinking,
there's lots of Muslims in the media, on
social media and different channels and so forth.
And that's great.
But if I see your brothers and sisters,
maybe mention the comments. It says, a 139
people are watching right now. Let's see. Let's
say mention in the comments. In terms of
the last
thing you remember, last piece of Islamic content
you remember
viewing consuming online.
What was it? What was it about?
Right.
There's a, there's an article we published a
few years ago that artificial intelligence
is creating a new math hub.
Yeah.
And that's because if you think about it,
even yourself Osman,
Chances are the last piece of Islamic content
you consume or you remember consuming online in
terms of the most vivid and memorable
experience, maybe a YouTube video, maybe a Facebook
post or whatever.
It was either
if you're if you're lucky, if you're fortunate,
it was some
beneficial,
you know, piece of content, but maybe a
short term iman boost.
Yeah.
Or,
which is increasingly likely these these days inshallah
not in Ramadan, but generally,
it's something, you know, or maybe Muslims attacking
each other
or arguing over,
you know, a very specific point in aqidah
or or,
political strategy or or that or something like
this. Yeah. Some drama,
some fights some beef that's happening and this
is getting increasingly
common unfortunately
and that's because
the
Muslim many Muslims online, they they have good
intentions, but the structure that they're in
is geared towards
spreading certain
messaging narratives,
enforcing a certain discourse,
and silencing another type of discourse. Right? Chances
are the last thing you
watched, unfortunately, was
not necessarily
something that
was based on or or building your long
term iman and success in this dunya and
the hereafter.
It was something,
shown to you
by the the platforms
just automatically. Not to say the people who
made that, I think, were evil. No. No.
The thing that's showing you that part of
that that clip or that thing,
it's only
interested in your eyeballs
for the next few seconds or minutes. Right?
Because the platforms that these things are on,
the the economic logic that they rest on
is
just basically
wants your attention
to extract
natural resources from you,
a type new type of natural resource that
goes into predicting human behavior future human behavior
more accurately.
Salman, just on that point, it's actually it's
quite scary. So do you know you have
the the major brands of phones, and now
you have some, other brands that have come
out, and they're from a particular country, which
I won't say on purpose, and they're particular
brands and they're associated with that country, you'll
often find you'll have a conversation
about, I don't know,
a a coffee cup which is black in
color, and then you'll start to see adverts
and videos
to do with coffee and black mugs. And
I kid you not, this happens so regularly
with a family member I know on the
phone that they have in particular.
And the other one you have with with
IP addresses. If if one person watches something
in a household,
that same content will be pushed through the
IP, and they'll all get that same content.
So it's it's very popular. A few minutes
ago. Right? TikTok changed their,
terms of,
their, the terms and conditions in 2,001
to include
audio, audible and visual cues biometrics,
right from your phone so that when you're
scrolling, when you say
that gets, that gets recorded
or you don't It gets picked up. That
gets, That gets, your your facial expression when
you're looking at something,
when you're, you know, looking bored or when
you're looking excited or angry. Right?
And that's because the things that not not
to say that the muslims are making content
are evil no no they're making great content
they might make
10, pieces of content.
One of them
so from the perspective, they're doing a balanced
job, but one of them
might be
something that makes people angry.
Yes. That makes people annoyed
because and and and these algorithms that are
that, you know, that are in that economic
logic of just
competing
to get a bigger and bigger slice of
your attention, they realize realize they don't really
like, you know, sentient beings or anything that
they've they realize that if we show someone
something that's beneficial to them, they're not gonna
necessarily, you know,
kind of Spread it, like it, share it.
Exactly. Engage with them and and stay glued
to their phone for hours. But if we
show them something that really angers them,
that that person over there, that the rival
sector, rival group, or rival mother hub, you
know, they said this about us. I'm gonna
refute them. I'm gonna destroy them. This type
of back and forth,
or kind of going into really,
irrelevant issues for our day and age, for
example, kind of,
just to just satisfy our curiosity,
for example,
or just, you know, making people angry or
making,
you know, entertainment is fine. You know? You
we we we we need to we need
to, you know,
they're not agitated.
Sometimes.
So let's not be it. See podcast, the,
unscripted podcast, for example. But,
in in terms of our Islamic discourse, our
our understanding
of what are the important things that Allah
and his messenger
want us to focus
on? That unfortunately for more and more people
is being
shaped by these social media companies, by YouTube,
by Google, by Meta, right, by TikTok. The
reality Shana Salma, the reality is it's one
of those age old things that you have.
If you're with bad company, you'll have they'll
rub off on you just like if the
hadith of the prophet
that the one who who has a a
blacksmith as a friend or he spends the
whole day with a blacksmith, he'll end up
having soot and smelling bad. And the one
who's,
who owns a perfume shop and he spends
time with him naturally, he must relieve with
a gift and smell good. Mhmm. And if
you all you're consuming is bad things online,
and that's all you want, and that's all
you're really your your character starts to become,
you're gonna see more and more of it,
number 1. And it's known if particularly in
the US,
a lot of research, and there's even things
within,
the equivalent, I think, is of their senate
or the the House of Congress when they
when they do their sort of interrogation,
the the equivalent of their MPs speak to
experts. And it's very clear that it takes
you down a tunnel,
and it pushes you into a direction. And
there's also a reason.
Yep. And there's a there's a a a
technosociologist,
yeah, When
when did that when did that when did
that come come about techno? So Yeah. Technosocialist.
She studies the the impact of technology on
social movements. Right?
She did an experiment once. She said, okay.
Let me just get a a brand fresh
kind of blank computer
and see what it shows me. Yeah. So
she looked, she was investigating YouTube's
proprietary
algorithm of what's next. Yeah. Everyone knows. Yeah.
Anyone who's been to YouTube,
they watch a video, and you rarely just
watch one video. Right? You just kind of
something flick.
Something that, after the video finishes or, you
know, something catches your attention on the side,
it says, hey. Why don't you watch this
video?
So that is based on your likes, your
dislikes, your browser history, everything Google knows about
you,
and probably more than you'd you'd you'd you'd
you'd like to, like to have them know
about you.
So she said,
let me see what it shows me, like
a blank kind of computer.
So she said and this is done around
the last US election. So she said, okay.
Let me let me, Google let me watch
a Donald Trump speech.
So what do you think it showed her
next?
Donald Trump speech, then another one, then another
one. But then she said the weird thing
was
they kept they kept becoming more and more
extreme and more and more kind of right
wing We need until she we need you
to hit one of those buttons, Salman.
Oh,
brother. Might have been a sister.
Yeah. We'll we'll make the exception.
We ask Allah to bless you and your
family to make this a means. Amen.
Allah accepting your your good deeds and you
being at the forefront and the borders,
protecting the and looking after the,
and really, spreading the narrative or the war
of the narratives and being the person who's
at the forefront of it.
Salman, just going back to it. So this
techno sociologist
did the experiment and then went, from Donald
Trump to far right?
Yeah. Yeah. So and she was in far
kind of full blown
kind of, you know, white supremacist Nazi kind
of videos. And then she said, Nick, let
me check, Hillary Clinton. Now the Hillary one.
Now then a Bernie Sanders one. Getting more
and more left left wing until she was
in kind of left wing conspiracy theory videos
and stuff. And she said
something really interesting. She said, it's almost as
though you're never extreme enough for YouTube's algorithm.
It's always trying to make you more and
more and more kind of extreme in whatever
you're,
whatever you're viewing.
And, she said just for just for Ben,
she said I was watching a video about,
vegetarianism,
then it showed me a video about veganism.
Wow.
But I can't even eat, you know, eggs
and, eat cheese and drink milk. Or even
potatoes.
Potatoes have feelings too.
It's true.
But, yeah. So this is this is the
thing that's
in charge
of a lot of our
Islamic education now.
Yeah?
I don't know about you, but when I'm
just I don't I don't have any channels
anymore on my TV. I just put YouTube
on.
Did you say you have a TV, Salman?
Yeah. That's why I play my games.
I could really not have no. No. Do
you know, it's it's to be honest,
on on a,
yeah. On a on a maybe a bit
more of a,
on a serious note, when it comes to
TV, you'll find more and more people now
actually
don't have TVs.
Or if they do have TVs, it's not
for conventional,
channel 1 to 5 or channel 1 to
4, whatever. It's actually just for streaming,
and it's just for for gaming and stuff.
So it's it's really the the narrative has
really changed.
And look, dear brothers and sisters, this is
why it's so important
that in all of this noise
that you have a place,
and other places and other organizations that we
mentioned before here that doing great work,
alongside Islam 21
c. But you have these places of authenticity.
You have these places
focused around
sense,
consensus.
You have these all these places
structured around Islamicness.
And so you can come to these places,
and you can really die digest things from
an Islamic point of view that's understood by
people who have studied decades,
and trying to give you that modern application
of it, the modern understanding of it. Because,
unfortunately, look, people do, find sometimes it difficult
to move on with times. We found many
people, they didn't wanna move from their from
from pages to mobile phones and then mobile
phones to,
mobile phones with cameras.
And and a really good example of this
is,
the the world's number one phone producer at
the time, when me and Salman, I think,
were in high school, was originally,
Sony Ericsson.
Right? And Nokia. It was you know, then
it became Nokia. Sony Ericsson were the original
guys. Then they remember, I think, Salman, you
had that little Not from there.
Phone. Well, you had that phone, and you
clicked the camera underneath. That was the Sony
Ericsson. Yeah. And then the Nokia started coming
out, and then Nokia just took over the
market.
They took over the market for so long.
But what did Nokia not count on? They
thought, what idiot, what person will want a
a camera in a phone? What person will
want a touch screen?
And they they really believed in what they
thought because they had such good growth and
such good, profit, but they are now virtually
unknowns. They are unknowns. The only person that
came close to them at that time was
Motorola, the Motorola Razr, and that was one
product.
And Motorola took a different approach in in
terms of buying,
IP
intellectual property and things like this,
and then effectively Nokia disappeared. And it's now
come back, but it's not really a competitor,
compared to the others. And it shows you
the importance of moving with time, being up
to date, being relevant,
but being authentic in what you're saying and
what you're doing to your brother, sister. And
this is where Islam 21 c comes in.
It was a project set up by individuals
from the community.
It had scholars in there, activists in there,
brothers who had a concern,
about Islam
being understood in the 21st century, Islam
being,
propagated in the 21st century, and it was
set up. So that's why you need to
go and visit it. Go to islam 21c,
dotcomforward/live.
You're gonna see the thing come up on
the screen.
And I I don't feel as cool now
because I felt like a gamer, and then
a real gamer's come up the screen. And
I can just see, like, these boxes
that are illuminated and got these special neon
lights and stuff and wow, man. So,
may Allah, increase your little
studio and decor there, Shay.
I think first and foremost, we're gonna give
a big assalamu alaikum,
to our dear Sheikh Ustad.
How are you, Sheikh?
All good. Busy, busy, busy, but good.
Whereabouts are you in the world? So where
are you? What time is it? Dallas, Texas.
It's 6:18 PM.
And it's,
12, 18 minutes past midnight here in the
UK.
And brothers and sisters, this is technology where
people in different time zone, different countries, different
continents can come together,
to make an impact,
and be a voice for Islam,
in the 21st century. And I think, Salman,
you're somewhat of a gamer, maybe not a
real proper gamer like, our dear Sheikh because
that setup is I'm not a gamer. That
just looks like a hot pink light. Pretty
good.
It it it looks good to me,
So,
I think,
I want you to get get some questions
ready for our dear Sheikh,
and understand his project. Because I know a
bit about it,
but I don't wanna speak from a novice
perspective because I'm gonna be like, oh, wow.
You're playing games online. Wow. But,
yeah. So we wanna know more about it,
Sheikh. I wanna know why, the how, the
impact it's really having. But before we do
that, brothers and sisters, please get involved.
We're here again streaming because Islam 21 c
is important. We need your support to carry
it forward. This is a project started by
the community for the community,
and, naturally, the community has grown from, a
few people to a town, to a city,
to
a a country, to a continent, to
it's now worldwide,
where we have someone sitting on the other
side of the Atlantic,
Adesh Sheikh, and we're sitting on this side
across the pond, and we've got many people
tuning in from different parts of the world.
So please get involved. Islam 21c.comforward/
live.
How are you doing,
Assad Youssah? Alhamdulillah.
All good, bro. All good. It's it's Hey,
bro. Good to see you. Been busy, busy,
busy Ramadan.
Yeah. Yeah.
Osman was saying, get some questions for you.
I get the the main question in my
head right now is Street Fighter or Mortal
Kombat?
Oh, neither one. I haven't had the time,
bro.
No. That's what the question
really, the question should be pre 2000 or
post 2000 because they've made it new. And
where you only have 3 buttons and a
little joystick, or you're on the new stuff,
Sheikh, where you got, like, all these all
these keyboards and mouse. Are you more retro
with the game? Or are you more I
haven't I haven't played Mortal Kombat in years.
My my introduction to Mortal Kombat was
in high school playing at the arcade where
you had to put your quarter and wait
in line
for a time to play at the arcade.
Oh, man.
Always a bit of street fighter Giving away
my age.
I just play a bit of war zone
now here and there.
I have no clue what that is, and
I'm not gonna pretend to to know what
that is. But it sounds like something like
Call of Duty because it's got all the
warning. I might get the channels in trouble
if we say that, I guess. Yeah.
Okay. No. So, Sheikh, if I can,
what is it that you what is it
that you you have? What is it that
you do? You've got this amazing setup there.
You got the neon light saying, I think
or something in the background. I quite quite
see it. Tell us, what is it that
you you do,
and really, why did you set it up?
What was the need for it, and what's
the impact?
Well, as of right now, it's simply
a side hobby.
It was something I started during the pandemic,
because
we were all locked down and communication between
Muslims was was sparse here and there. The
Masajid were closed.
There was no real community vibe.
And,
basically, it came out of boredom, to be
a 100% honest with you. I ran out
of things to do, ran out of you
can only pace around your house so much
and do so many things. So during the
pandemic,
I started picking up,
playing some video games again. Before I had
played Call of Duty and I played all
of them in zombies, I just didn't have
any time. 2018, 2019, I was so busy.
Then the pandemic came and Warzone came out
actually in the same week of the pandemic.
So I started playing with,
a few brothers that I knew and and
my kids. And I said, you know, there
has to be a lot more Muslims that
play video games. I know I know it.
And some brothers from the UK were like,
yes. There's lots of us. So I got
in touch with a brother named Dinka,
who now works for one of the most
famous streamers on the planet. We're not gonna
we're not gonna give him promo on here.
But,
I got with him and another young brother
named Meadow, and we created,
what is known as now the Muslim Gamers
League. It was a Discord server,
and it is still as a Discord server,
7,000 people strong,
where Muslims could come together and play video
games in an environment that was more halal.
You know, you whether we can say it's
completely we can't we can't say that. But
more halal than
the public space, if that makes sense, where
they could game with each other. And we
also had Quran. They still do them every
single Fridays. We did different and things of
that nature. Just a place for Muslims to
interact during the pandemic,
who liked video games, who liked tech and
things of that nature. I'm I'm a techie.
I like I built these computers. I like
building things. So that that became what I
did during the pandemic, and I streamed on
Twitch. I streamed on YouTube.
And now it's more it's more of a
a side hobby because I actually you know,
we've opened our own masjid in in Dallas,
Texas. Our grand opening is today. As a
matter of fact, that's why I just I
ran from there back here,
to do this. And then as soon as
we're done, I'm a be going back because
today is our grand opening,
after a lot of months of struggling with
construction.
If if I can, just maybe a couple
of points for for myself and for maybe
the the viewers out there who don't know
what things are. What's Discord,
and and what what really does it do,
and,
why is it any relevant to Muslims other
than maybe a few gamers? And then I
think you mentioned about Twitch.
What is Twitch? I was discussing it with
some early 20,
20 year olds, and we were discussing Twitch.
And I was trying to explain it to
some older brothers in their forties, what Twitch
was. And, my my very rudimentary explanation of
it was it was basically where you play
games and you stream it. A bit like
YouTube, but it's all about,
watching people play games in effect, and you
can get donations for it. So tell me
if I'm, if I'm wrong. You're you're you're
along the then you're along the right track.
Discord is,
a website, an application
where you can create your own
virtual space. You can create your own server,
basically. And you set the rules. You set
the parameters.
You can create different bots that monitor it
and and things of that nature. You create
your own world. There are a lot of
Islamic Discord servers. There's like Salam Talk and
a few others where they're very
large Muslim communities,
that are online that, you know, they have
this space where Muslims can interact with each
other in in these environments. So you create
the server yourself. It becomes your own social
media public space if if if if you
want. Mhmm. And you like I said, you
set the rules. You set the parameters. Like
in our server, everything,
bots run a lot of the things where,
you know, if people come in saying the
wrong things, they get muted, they get timed
out, they get kicked, they get banned.
We have, monitors who watch the server at
any time of the day and etcetera. So
it's it's it's an online
space like that.
So, Sheikh, we've got a couple of donations,
that have come in. So we wanna say
to those people who have given. Please, dear
brothers and sisters, get involved. Make sure you
give to islam 21c.comforward/live.
You can give from whichever part of the
world. We've got a, I think, a couple
of donations from the US, from the UK,
and other parts. So please please keep in
giving. If you do wanna call in, the
number's on the screen. It should be on
your bottom left. Check it out. Sheikh, I
really wanna get into the crux of what
we're discussing tonight, and that's the important,
the importance of having an Islamic voice, an
Islamic space
within the 21st century, and allowing Islam to
be applicable within the 21st century, in particular,
with media. So, I I want you to
maybe,
discuss this, but also give some examples
of how important it is because I know
the gaming sphere
from a perspective of of,
safety for young children. I know there's been
some issues. I've looked into them, etcetera, because
I've got young children and how I wanna
implement Internet and how I wanna how how
I want that reality to look like in
my house, for example, what that means,
and how important it is for Muslims, number
1, to understand tech in the 21st century
and for Muslims to have, safe spaces within
that,
and operate within that, that sphere.
Yeah.
I I I think it's extremely important that
we have a voice because in today's world,
we know that
whoever controls the narrative kinda controls
the mindset
of the masses. Right?
And the people who are controlling that narrative,
do not have the best interest of humanity
at at hand
nor do they represent
a moral
just,
you know, vantage point. And as Muslims,
we know we hold
the truth. Islam is the truth. Whether, you
know, not not us Muslims, but Islam. Islam
is perfect. Islam is the truth.
And us
dominating the online space
is extremely important because
that is the new frontier of media. Nobody
watches public
TV anymore barely. You know what I mean?
Like, these major
news outlets, they their viewership has declined
so dramatically.
Nobody's watching BBC, Sky News, Fox News,
unless you just wanna see what the public
narrative might be about. But people pretty much
know it's a bunch of nonsense. Right? So
people are going through social media.
If I can just quickly so you, Alhamdulillah,
you've got some family that, either previously or
they're from the UK and you're from the
US.
So you really have a context of both
the both sides of the Atlantic. And would
you say it's the same on both sides
that really people are are really moving away
from the traditional
TV or the traditional media channels, and then
they're really just focused on social media? Is
that the same in the US as your
experience maybe in the UK or vice versa?
Yeah. A 100%. People are getting their media
from online,
outlets now. They're they're going they're going either
to social media, Twitter,
things of this nature. People are making more
informed decisions
because there is access to more information out
there now. Whereas before, it was the mainstream
media. You you had to take whatever was,
you know, spoon fed to you by mainstream
media,
which we now know to be you know,
it's come to light that it's all a
bunch of nonsense.
It's whatever
whatever the agenda is of whoever runs the
media outlet, and they're really ran by 1
or 2 people.
So in in in reality, Muslims having
that space to be able to present,
not only present Islam, not only present just
present Islam as a holistic form of lifestyle,
but present Islamic solutions.
And this is something I've always been very
adamant about is that, you know, it's it's
not so much that we give dua. Right?
And dua is calling people to Islam to
calling people, inviting people to tawhid. But one
of the other things that we should be
doing is offering up the Islamic solutions that
the world's problems
can be solved through. Right? Like, there's an
economic crisis everywhere. Right? Everything costs too much
now. You know, inflation's through the roof, spinning's
through the roof.
It's it's it's it's a tragedy everywhere. Right?
Islam has a solution for this. Islam has
a very simple economic system
that provides,
equity, that provides equity amongst social classes and
and and and makes the the the the
poor have rights over the rich and makes
the rich pay their fair share, etcetera, so
on and so forth. Whatever. However you wanna
framework that, Islam has a very
clear system. Islam has a very clear clear
system on why interest, why riba is so
bad, why it is wrong, why it is
haram, and we see the effects of it
now. So these things should be being presented
in a very,
in a in a in a very
educational, in a very pragmatic way so that
the masses could see, wait a minute. Islam
is not all just about, you know,
just believe in one God and just obey
our system and this and that, all this.
But Islam actually has
very educated
answers to the world's problems that everybody's complaining
about right now. Like, all I see is
people complaining
about the situation of the world economy, the
situation of, you know,
how people are treating one another, etcetera. And
I'm like, Islam has simple solutions for all
of these. But we're not
using our voice and using our platforms
to put that out there. You know? So
we need to be more on the forefront
of this.
Do you know,
It reminds me very much so,
I think the first time that, maybe I
met you or I I became aware of
you. And the very thing that you've just
said now about solutions, I remember very vividly
you talking about this is one of the
things that when you came to Islam,
the the practicality, the solutions of it, in
some of the talks that you had.
So I think look.
What what for me, what I really wanna
find out from you, Sheikh, is someone who's
preserve you and your family. You're
you're you're an intelligent person. You're a person
who understands the 21st century. You're a person
who understands the context of of quite a
lot of Western Europe, sorry, the Western world
or the English speaking world, the US, the
UK. In terms of Islam 21 c, how
do you see it its its impact and
its importance,
and the importance of others supporting
this project as well as other projects. But
they're try the projects that are giving basically
Muslims a voice, a solution, a space,
to air their thoughts,
and the really the authentic,
Muslim view and opinion.
Well, I I've been in, you know, around
for a while now, and I've been paying
attention to what Islam 21 c has been
doing for for many, many, many years now
as, doctor Salaman knows.
And
what I what I have seen with Islam
21 c is is is the growth of
very pragmatic
solutions to what Muslims are facing. Right? Very
pragmatic solutions
to the problems of the Muslim community
in a in a very robust, in a
very modern way. And I think that that
is a
much needed task and they've gone about it
in a very
in in a very methodical way. I'm a
person who is a stickler for,
you know, professionalism, a stickler for
doing things
the right way, not just to do them
for the sake of doing them. If we're
gonna do something, we might as well do
it right. We might as well do it
with the Hassan.
So Islam 21 c hits all of those
targets when it comes to that, especially
when I sat down. I was in the
UK.
Doctor Selman, when was that? Was that January
last year or this year?
Oh, this year. No. It's been a while.
It's it's been a minute.
No. It was November last year. November last
year.
November last year, I sat down at the
Islam 21 c offices
and was taken through the whole,
the whole spiel of of what Islam 21
c does and how it works and how
it operates and what are the goals and
what are the strategies.
And I was completely impressed by
the way that they're going about doing it.
Not just what they're doing because we're all
kinda doing the same thing, but the way
they're doing it, the methodology
is important.
And the methodology of Islam 21 c is
very forward thinking in in in the 21st
century.
Sheikh, it's it's really good to to hear
from, from yourself and your perspective about Islam
20 1 c and what it does. So
I'm gonna check out some quick fire questions
that I'm gonna make off the top of
my head. We are some at the beginning,
but what's your favorite level on whatever game
you're playing at the moment and why or
I don't know if it works. So don't
don't look at me funny if if I'm
if I'm saying something from, like It's not
99. Now, bro.
Yeah. There's no there's no levels. It's Battle
Royale. It's it's Oh, sorry. Sorry. Sorry. What
was your last favorite battle then?
I I play with my son,
mostly in the evening time. So we we
we we have we have good time together
playing. We we get wins quite
quite regularly. Haptida. So what what's your, what's
one of your
favorite things on Islam 21 c in terms
of outputs or products, podcasts, articles,
goals, or what's one of your most favorite
articles or something that you've liked recently from
Islam 21 c? Sorry to put you on
the spot, but I thought we'll do it.
Yeah. 1 well, 1 of first and foremost,
one of
my favorite things that Islam 21 c does,
which I'll try to attend the last one,
but the schedule didn't work out, is the
retreats.
The retreats are are something that that are
quite needed because it gives you an intensive
kind of, you know,
immersive environment into what's trying to be accomplished.
Because you can read an article online.
I I think the last article I I
it's been a while since I've read a
Islam 21 c article. I've been very busy.
I think the last one I read was
the one by the Sheikh Haitham Al Hadad
about the the the the the speakers and
their their their price points.
Okay. I know which article
Very well. That was one of the last
ones. And I think I reread it the
last time because when we were driving because
last time I was in UK, myself and
Sheikh Haytham were driving around for a couple
of days, and he was referencing that article.
So I I I reread it. I spent
a few I spent a few days traveling
around with him. Okay.
So Sheikh, another question. If if there's something
that the Muslim community,
whether Islam 21 c, whether what you're doing
or others can do moving forward, what would
you suggest that be? Or how is it
we as a community,
Islam 21 c, what you're doing and other
projects can improve,
what we're doing and help the Muslims, and,
ultimately, how are we going to fund that?
So there's 2 questions. What what is that
project? What's it look like? Or what's the
improvement?
And how how are we gonna fund that?
Where where where is the support gonna come
from?
When it comes to
what I think we need to work on
the most is pragmatic solutions to
the everyday problems that Muslims are facing. Right?
Pragmatic solutions to problems that everyday problems that
Muslims are facing. That's usually when I when
I look at what kind of content I
wanna create or what kind of project I
wanna be involved in. I usually start with
what is what is one of the biggest
problems in the Muslim community currently and
where is the shortfall? What can we do?
This is another reason why I started
doing,
coaching and counseling. I started using my mental
health background
because I started to see that mental health
was a huge thing in the Muslim community.
It was not being addressed properly. There wasn't
enough out there was enough resources,
etcetera. So looking at these things, you know,
like with,
with with with with with marriages
and custody issues, which I know Islam 21
c is involved in.
We Yeah. We have that campaign about one
of our campaigns called In The Issues. In
The Issues.
You know, things like this that are the
the the things that people
suffer with that get swept under the rug,
you know, is the type of things that
we need to address. Because when it comes
to larger campaigns, like, okay, what's going on
Gaza? Every Muslim com you know, every Muslim
organization is talking about this, you know, or
things of that nature. But what about the
issues
that nobody's wanting to address? You know, like
the issues of what's going on in in
domestic situations where
the court systems get involved and it becomes
a tragedy on children, a tragedy on families
and marriages. What about mental health? What about
men's mental health? You know what I mean?
Even though I'm still doing coaching and counseling
for 4 years now,
you know, the the major the the the
men that come, even though I'm surprised
that I've gotten as many as I have,
there's still a fraction
of what it should be. So men having
the space
to be able to be vulnerable, to be
able to, you know, talk about the things
that they're going through and knowing that there
is someone
actually there for them. Because one of the
biggest things that I've seen from men
is why they don't talk about their problems
is because they don't think anyone cares.
That that is the number one reason men
do not go to counseling or therapy or
talk about their problems to anyone because they
don't think anybody cares, and they think that
people look at them as less than
for struggling.
And that's that these are things we need
to fix. We need to fix within the
Muslim community,
being more economically sound. The Muslim community is
is is really falling behind on this.
Whereas
other communities, you know, they they they they
learn to support one another and and prop
one another up and spend amongst one another
and grow and enrich themselves economically. Because if
you don't do that, you will always be
the place of weakness. You cannot help the
rest of the world if you can't help
yourself. It is just a reality.
We don't do that. Rather than do that,
we try to compete with one another in
business, tear the other brother's business down, this
and that. Like, we just don't we don't
have the mentality of trying to help one
another grow. So these are some areas where
we can really see some improvement
in the Muslim community when it comes to,
you know,
domestic affairs, when it comes to mental health,
especially with regards to men, and when it
comes to our economic standpoint in the world.
Yes. Muslims have a lot of money. There's
a lot of Muslim communities that are very
influent, but that's it. Stay it stays within
very small pockets. You know what I mean?
We don't support one another.
Yeah. You know, when I I went to
visit,
Yosha and Allah, the Masha'ik in the US
in December time, we met with the sheikh
doctor
Taher White
in Philly. Yeah.
My son went wanted to get some Philly
cheese steaks.
But, we met him, and he he was
showing us,
this this wakf project that he's he gave
us presentation, amazing presentation,
and he said, 6 hours.
So 6 hours where he goes that's how
long the black dollar stays amongst the black
community.
Wow. And he said 22 days
is the Asian dollar stays amongst the Asian
community. By Asian and US, they mean, like,
you know, Far East. And he said everyone
every other community is between that.
Right? And one of the things that they're
trying to do, so it's happening on a
local scale.
They're implementing projects
that economically keep keep wealth
circulating
amongst projects of Muslims that, you know, you
know, restaurants and and, economic kind of activity
that's going back into the community,
that's not being kind of tapped and taken
away somewhere else, but that's going and circulating
among the community and and causing economic empowerment
for everyone.
Alhamdulillah.
I know a few brothers in the UK
have started this as well.
Is, a brother I was speaking to a
few months ago, said, you know, he visited
the first Muslim non Ribawi Credit Union, for
example,
You know? So and, brother, you know, instead
of,
instead of,
kind of expanding their masjid, they bought another
place to make it into a grocery store,
for example,
you know, to to provide,
obviously,
you know,
just where Muslims are spending their money, they
need to they need groceries, they need petrol,
whatever, but to have that money kind of,
circulating amongst the community and empowering
Yeah.
Projects and and and stuff like that. And
these are novel ideas in the Muslim community
that we we need to, like, come around
these ideas. For instance, if you open a
you open a masjid. Right? And you say,
okay. Our next project is that we want
to open a strip mall. We wanna open
a strip mall full of Muslim businesses. You
know? So invest with us in this. Muslims
will look at you like, what what what
am I gonna get out of this? What
happens though if you do that and you
you can generate enough revenue
to make the masjid
self sufficient and also run on a surplus
where it never has to ask money for
anybody. And then you're bringing in local businesses.
The Muslims who rent those will will will
will achieve business, and they will go like,
we do not invest in ourselves, if that
makes sense. Sheikh, this is very true. I
work with a number of massage in the
UK, and I I was with 1 a
couple of years ago. Just a very prime
example. And,
they were trying to raise some money, so
we were trying to support them and help
them and, come up with a strategy, etcetera,
and just give them better operational plans for
the masjid. And I said, look, Rather than
us going and ask money, why don't we
go and get some money from,
25, 30 businessmen, and we'll we'll open up
effectively a fast food chain or a fast
food shop? And the whole the whole half
an hour conversation I was having with the
the executive, it turns out one of the
executive members owned 3,
fast food chains.
So I just turned and I said, listen.
If your business is worth a $150,
we'll give you another $25 more. Give us
your running business and give it to the
Masjid. We're not gonna give you less, but
we'll we'll pay you more. Give us and
it it's just absurd because
he's making very good money, but they don't
wanna apply that. So, alhamdulillah, some of the
masjid to now, what they're doing when they're
building or projects even when they're when they're
building, projects, when they're building masajid, they're they're
putting flats or places that you could rent.
They're putting shops in there. And I've suggested
to a number that you you should go
high end. What you see in the community
that you should offer. So
21 c and some of the work that
it tries to do, it gives a platform
for
businesses and others
to advertise and, do the work while at
the same time they're supporting Islam 21 c.
So it's really important, this concept, I think,
of,
spreading the Muslim pound or the Muslim dollar
within the Muslim community. Mhmm. I think it's
very vital.
So the brothers and sisters, we we have
a. We had this,
podcast,
a few months ago with Sofia and Ismail.
Yeah. The entrepreneur, the founder of Mend. And
he went through 10 different institutions that Muslims
need to build.
He said some of them we've got already,
but some of them we need to, you
know, invent and start. And and and it
was a very, very,
powerful list.
He because he was talking about,
basically
the the ordinary institution
is
more impactful than the flamboyant individual. He gave
the example of Barack Obama, for example, in
the US. Right?
Barack Obama, you know, he had some ideas.
He he he caused a bit of a
stir, but the next president came in. He
kind of undid a lot of his work.
Right? But he said, how many people know
the CEO of Stonewall
or anyone in their board, for example? You
know just, you know Stonewall has a bigger
impact
in every
every Muslim child at school, their life,
what they're being taught,
your workplace.
Right? Sonal,
a a I think it's a charity, but,
a group,
pressure group, lovely group,
dedicated to affording,
LGBT agenda.
Right? For example. So nobody knows who they
are, but because it's an institution
and it's just it's doing what institutions do,
it's having a huge, you know, impact behind
the scenes like any institution does. Right? And
this is what we need, we need to
invest in our institutions.
Individuals are important but for long term kind
of growth and and impact of our community
we need various institutions.
And you know media platforms,
being in charge of our own narratives rather
than being characters in someone else's stories,
that is a key institute,
institution that we need to build as a
as a as a function
100%. And we need to be able to
support, like, I I watched a part of
that podcast. You know, we need to be
able to support
Muslim entrepreneurs. You know what I mean? There's
there's so many people who come to me
and ask me how to start a business.
You know? And it's like, I wanted to
sit down and do, like, a course on
how to get started in business. But a
lot of that is that we need people
supporting. Like, there's some Muslim countries. I think
I was watching a documentary about I think
it was maybe even Indonesia where there was
an organization that provided micro like micro loans.
Right? Micro loans for people to start small
businesses.
And these micro loans were interest free, you
know, they're in etcetera, so on. But it
allowed someone to get started,
you know, at the ground level of entering
into their own business.
And in the west, we have nothing like
that. You know what I mean? If you
wanna get a business loan, who you gonna
go to? You know what I mean? If
I say I have a beautiful idea for,
you know,
you know, a food shop or or whatever
it might be, you know, like a we're
gonna halal barbecue place in London. You know
what I mean? Like, who do you go
to? You know what I mean? You either
gotta find private funding or you gotta try
to go through the banking system which is
going to tie you in terriba no matter
how you try to shake that tree. So
there there there there in mind is the
problem. You know what I mean? Like, we
need institutions that are helping
people to get involved in entrepreneurship
because then that gives us more ability to
spread the wealth within the Muslim community. Mhmm.
Like, I I I'm in I'm in the
mood for some barbecue, and there's a Muslim
spot that has it. You know what I
mean? Or, you know, I'm gonna Texas.
Yeah. Texas, we have halal barbecue spots. We
have, you know, halal, pretty much everything. The
same way like you guys,
have have in London. Like but
we need to do this on a much
larger scale. You know, every kind of business
you can think of, Muslims need to be
in it. You know what I mean? We
need to be in it so that Muslims
can say, look. I wanna go buy this
or or or or, you know, have this
kind of service. Is there a Muslim
I can go to and spend that money
with? Mhmm. You know? And, rather than going
somewhere else. That's how we keep ourselves
thriving.
But
look, brothers and sisters, it's your opportunity to
get involved and give something with all of
these solutions, whether it's a walk of Ofman
ibn Affan, which he started
1400
years ago, it still exists today. This institution
of itself, whether it's the like of Al
Azad University,
which which is effectively a waqf.
It still stands today. There are many, many
institutions
which,
were established to support the Muslim Oman still
exist today. Some have perished because the Muslims
didn't support them. People had alternative
narratives when they when they got involved with
them. But the ultimate
thing here, Deborah and the sisters, is supporting,
as out there, Sheikh Ade Ostad was mentioning
about Mas'ajid being self sufficient. And when they
get donations, these donations then can go back
to serving the community, whether that's through counseling,
whether that's through,
activities, whether that's through youth engagement and cultivation,
whether that's providing more funding within the Muslim
community. Because I didn't, dear brother and sisters,
the Muslim community needs to support the Muslim
community both when it comes to business, both
when it comes to dawah, both when it
comes to defending Islam. And the prophet,
what would he do in his own masjid?
He would ask his friends, his companions,
his his his people. He would ask them,
come and support.
And who who would the people that would
come forward are his friends, his close companions,
people who are directly related to him,
through his through through marriage and other things.
But dear brothers and sisters, many of these
people were business people. They thrived, but their
purpose wasn't just to make money. Their purpose
was to serve the deen of Allah,
through this business that they did. And the
the one of the good examples of this
is Othman ibn Affan, who, masha'Allah, they said
when one of his caravans entered into Medina
before it had reached the borders of Medina,
Medina was shaking because so many camels were
coming with the goods.
And he was one of the only few
people who had the 2 story building,
at the time of the prophet because of
the wealth. So this is the same person
who
was so generous in his wealth. So it's
something very important if there are young people
out there who wanna get rich and they
wanna, be prosperous and they wanna be, and
I always use quote marks, be an entrepreneur.
You can do that, but do that for
the right reasons, and Allah will bless you
in it and make you succeed your dreams
because, ultimately, your purpose is to serve his
religion, to spread the word of Islam,
and to help. And, look, there are people
out there, let's be clear, who are private,
they're secret, they're very wealthy, and they support
the Muslim Ummah. And there are other people
who give the same proportion or the same
percentage of their wealth that they may not
be wealthy. So it's not about having lots
of money, dear brothers and sisters. It's about
the proportionality
of what you give of your income. And
we know the famous hadith about half a
date and how important that is. So look,
dear brothers and sisters, give something tonight.
You can go to islam 21c,
that's 21c.comforward/life.
You can give something. We've had a donation,
from, Mohammed.
So we wanna get a special little takbir
from Salman. Before we do, Salman,
Ustad, Sheikh, Yusha, I want your, honest feedback
on Salman's,
little sound effect. So you're gonna hear it
right now.
Which one? You want the controversial one or
the The Desi one. The controversial one.
Uh-oh.
I I I I have a I I
I just like, doctor Salman, I have my
own soundboard as well.
Oh, Sheikh. Wait. Wait. Wait. I'm waiting for
I'm waiting. Let's see if you can do
better than some months. Yeah. Well well well,
you see, I have I have my little,
I have some I have my little board
here. Do do you have a confidence? I
haven't set up all the the the The
sound. So we're gonna have a a standoff.
It's a man. Do you have Unless unless
we get a bad joke, then we can
just Yeah.
Oh, okay. You can put the the the
the cricket strip in.
Salman, do you have a a colorful little
soundboard like that as well, or is yours
just a a few buns? Mine is by
all the colors of the rainbow, brother.
So, Sheikh, look, something that I will give
you my favorite one that I use when
I'm gaming that I've put on here for
quite a while. And Go on. Let him
understand this one when me and my son
were we we we get some we get
wins quite often. And when you down somebody
who thought they had you, you just give
them the You're not that guy, pal. Trust
me. You're not that guy.
Let him know that that that that that's
Salman's one. Hadouken.
He's known for that.
So look, Sheikh.
You know that one, Sheikh?
Okay. For sure. Yusha Yusha, we've got a
very important,
comment from, brother Ahmed Tomal. He's one of
our authors.
Some trusted authors and supporters.
You know, he's saying many men seek connection
via online gaming, which can take them down
a dangerous rabbit hole. A healthy Muslim space
is a good idea, Inshallah.
And Ahmed Tumal is he's didn't mention it.
He could he could've given a plug, but
he's, the founder of Tofiq Therapy.
He does,
he does therapy. And we've got sisters now
as well. Sister,
therapist that give Muslim,
kind of ethos, therapy, and, you know, qualified
therapists and counselors,
you know,
kind of,
the mental health thing that you were talking
about. Yeah. It is a space because when
when
when when brothers are get when men game
online together, they've they they they have their
guard down. You know what I mean? The
we we like, a lot of the times
when we're playing, I play with quite a
few brothers from from all over the world.
You know, we start talking about how is
everything, how is, you know, family, how things
are going. Brothers are way more open in
that space for some reason. It's like because
you can't multitask. Yeah. Yeah. They can't multitask.
So gaming just kinda drops all of the
all the walls down, and and they start
really getting deep and and and talking about
themselves.
One person who also trying to,
kind of address this this issue
is, Baba Ahmed. Yeah. Baba Ahmed,
He, in the podcast that we did as
well, he was talking about how he went
through therapy as well. Because Babur Ahmed, don't
know if you know his story, he was
arrested, detained
for, like, 10 years plus, I think. Yes.
Mhmm. 10 years in America. He was kind
of, abused by the police,
burst into this house. Kind of, forcing him
into sajdah, saying where is your god now?
This type of stuff. And he said when
I it's only after I went through the
therapy, Spinal, one of the things I will
never forget, he said the the therapist was
telling
me to recall the events of that night
you know
and go through everything
And I started to smell the carpet
that my face was on. I started to
feel pain of where the handcuffs were again.
You know it was coming because these things
they're connected to our physical
you know brain and central nervous system to
kind of
unravel and unwrap that trauma to try and
address it. You know? And he said you
you need to you know, some things you
need to have proper therapy, get get kind
of talk to someone,
to get over these things. And and and
we're doing this series in, Ramadan. Shala Yusha
is gonna be involved as well.
Every day, I'm asking the same question to
30 different people.
Yeah. I mean, I'll I'll get that video
to you ASAP
That that was a Salman's little plug that
that just to remind you. Yeah. But I
was, everyday, I'm asking the same question. What's
one thing we can do to strengthen the
Ummah? And Bab al Ahmed, he he did,
he did one of them, and his answer
was listen.
Listen to each other, and don't ask the
questions of, you know, just how you doing
here, alhamdulillah, everything's good here, alhamdulillah, okay bye.
No. Ask deeper questions to see how your
brothers are doing. How are you sleeping? You
know? How how's your, you know, children doing?
How's the relationship with your children?
How's your iman?
How's your you know?
Or you can just follow-up. Sometimes I followed
up with how are you really doing?
Mhmm.
And I think the reality is it's about
the the conscious listening and the active listening
as opposed to Yeah. Just asking and and
hearing some words. And I think this is
really, really important,
and there's someone actually maybe a bit closer
to home,
and I won't mention his name or give
any details, but this brother was suffering from
a lot of issues to the extent he
had suicidal thoughts where he was stood at
a train station and wanted to,
jump off.
And, ultimately,
he got to a place, and we're having
this conversation
while on Hajj in Mina. And we we
were just he he was talking. I was
listening, and I was sharing. And ultimately,
after Hajj, he went for some counseling,
and he got some support,
and he was listened to, and it helped
him immensely. And I think that he went
on from there, and then
got married, started a family, etcetera. So it's
very important that these spaces exist, and I
think they work in unison. Every Muslim, as
I always say, every Muslim has a unique
place in this ummah. Every Muslim has a
skill set that will benefit this ummah. And
I and I always give the example of
that one lady in the masjid who used
to clean the masjid of
the And then when she passed away, the
prophet
was upset
that he hadn't been informed of her death
and her janaza,
and he was upset about. And I take
from this that he was con he he
appreciated
what she was doing with her skill set,
with her ability, and every one of us
have a place in this ummah. Every one
of us has, something positive to give to
this ummah, to give while we're here on
this earth. And it's about you finding that
and you working with others to benefit,
yourself and benefit the ummah. And dear brothers
and sisters, this is one of the opportunities
with Islam 21 c where you can benefit
the ummah in the 21st century in a
21st century way
through through media. This is online. This is
through your TV. This is through podcast. This
is about organizing,
campaigns whether in the physical realm of protest,
whether online with Twitter storms, whether through any
other mechanism, you have the opportunity to support
it and really ask difficult questions and get
the solutions that Muslims need and the guidance
Muslims need for their everyday life. And look,
something I must say about Islam 21 c,
it it works with scholars. It works with
scholars who live in this world. They've studied.
They've understood,
the realities of the situation they live in,
and they regularly consult with them. They're regularly
spoken to. And if I must say, sometimes
even told off,
about they need to stay within certain parameters
and have some hard conversations. And I'm sure
it goes vice versa with the likes of
Salman and others, have some really tough conversations,
and push back on that. And it's really
important,
that you support this. And the second thing
I must say about Islam 21 c is
they're having conversations,
which are very difficult, in your shoes
about how Muslim men
who go through divorce, their children are used
as weapons against them, and what happens to
them,
the conversations,
further afield, which are,
sorry if I if I used the language,
but they're a bit more traumatic, and they're,
they're a bit easier for people to empathize
with with the likes of the Uighur campaign.
And, look, at the end of the day,
brothers and sisters, nobody in the world was
really saying anything other than the Uighur brothers
and sisters. And Islam 21 c took,
a leap,
and they they engaged the Muslim community, and
they had a protest, and it had huge
impact to the extent that the Chinese authorities
were opening up masajid and shipping people to
the masajid on the day of Eid after
these protests just to appease and show the
media or show on media what they were
doing, and they weren't really well, the reality
of what they're doing, we know, but they
were trying to show that's not the case.
So it's important that you support Islam 21
c. Remember, it's Islam 21c.comforward/live.
It's gonna come up on your screen by,
masha'Allah, our brother in the background all day
from Holland.
But, look, Sheikh, I was gonna ask you
if you could give,
a couple of bits of advice
on Muslim parents,
engaging with
media, social media, or or or streaming platforms,
etcetera, and how they can protect their children
or how they can engage it with their
children,
and and what can they do? How can
they protect themselves? How can they protect their
children?
Before you answer,
Usa, sorry. Just wanted to make let, just
remind
you. If you,
I know I'm wary of the time difference.
So if you're if you're coming close to
your iftar time, just please do last night.
Don't feel shy or anything. After this, I
will have to run. No problem. No problem.
When it comes to children in social media,
my my advice for parents is to keep
them away from it.
Simple as that.
Especially, you're talking about children. When you when
you say children, I'm guess you're meaning teenagers
and below.
Yes. They they they,
my suggestion is do not give them access,
especially not unfettered access
because
it is literally a rabbit hole that you
cannot
find you out of. Us as adults sometimes
find it as a rabbit hole that we
can't find our way out of. Children are
much more susceptible to this as being sponges.
So I I I advise
parents to be very wary of your children's
online interactions
until they are at the age of maturity,
and then you can teach them how
to navigate those spaces
in a proper way.
When it comes to, like, you know, the
online space of gaming, etcetera, this is why
I started things like the Muslim Gamers League.
Send them to us. You know what I
mean? We'll make sure they get taken care
of, etcetera. Because these are things parents are
they have no idea about. They have no
idea. Like like, they think their kid is
playing a harmless game of Fortnite, and yet,
you know, he's in a public match. And
the other person on the other end of
the line, you know, is is,
you know, a stuff for a lot of
* or something of this nature, you know,
trying to trying to lure him in or
things of that nature or her in. You
you you never know who is in these
spaces, so this is why I created MGO,
was to be able to have this type
of thing. So parents need to
have
as much restrictions on access to social media
and Internet as humanly possible.
With all of my children,
we
have, you know, apps that are on their
phones where I'm able to go on and
log on to all of their devices and
see what websites they've been to, what's apps
they,
have downloaded, what apps they're restricted from having,
etcetera, so on and so forth. Like, all
of that is parents need to be very
tech savvy on that. And maybe that's something
when Islam 21 c could work on is
like a like a comprehensive guidebook to parents
and children's online interaction, giving parents, like, the
tools of how do you go and modify
these, how do you log on to your
home network Wi Fi to restrict certain access
to certain sites and, you know, set downtime,
set parameters, set things that they can't download
on their phones, etcetera? Because these are things
parents don't know how to do. Right? They
do not know how to know how to
do these things.
So this, I think, would be a course
that, you know, the the again, you're talking
about what can we address. These are things
we can address. We discussed, isn't it, when
you are hair lossed? Yeah. There's something we
discussed, like, teaching parents how to help their
children navigate the online space and protect them
in the online space. There should be like
an a to z, you know, okay. Here's
how to download, you know, these blockers on
your your your Wi Fi routers. This is
how to download apps on their phones where
you can keep track of it. They can't
delete that. You get notified right away if
they do, and if they go somewhere they
shouldn't, etcetera. All of this, you need to
take precautions. You have to you have to
take precautions. You have to assume
the worst out of everything
nowadays. That's just the reality. You have to
realize your children are like sheep, and there's
nothing but wolves out there. So you gotta
be very protective of them. Sheikh, on that
note, I wanna say to anybody who's viewing
this right now, if you have any capacity
or any ability to help in this. So,
hopefully, offline, I'm gonna have some conversations with,
with Salman and maybe yourself. Let's put a
plan together for this. We've got many people
who have the capacity and the ability to
do it, and we can have some oversight
and produce something. Because I think this this,
this guide of a to zed of how
how to operate or a to z for
the Americans Mhmm. Of of how to operate
is really important.
We we might have some issues about which
is the real English, the American or the
British English, but,
that that's a secondary thing. But,
Hen, I guess language regardless.
Weakest
language on on the planet Earth.
That that that we agree, Sheikh. I I
normally use a term which I don't think
is appropriate in this setting, but, we we
won't use it for the English language. But,
Sheikh, I know you have to go, so
we ask Allah to, bless you, your family
Family. Keep keep your,
your family safe, make your children the leaders
of the Muslimen,
to make your Masjid a beacon of light,
hope I mean and guidance for those in
your community that you serve. And I'm hoping
that we see you soon in the UK.
Maybe we can do a tour with you
inshallah.
Sure. Maybe even launch this this a to
zed guide of of how to navigate,
social media in the 21st century. And we
ask Allah to accept your fast today and
to accept your to give you an accepted
Ramadan, Ameen.
Ameen Ameen. And everybody remembered
as he just put up on the screen
as a as we're leaving that in these
10 nights of Ramadan,
the prophet
said this du'a is the most powerful du'a.
This is the one if we meet
That, oh, Allah, you are forgiving your pardon,
and you love to forgive. So forgive me
because this is the goal of Ramadan is
to meet the end of it with the
forgiveness of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
So may Allah accept it from us and
and and and forgive us inshallah.
Amin.
Okay, brothers. Look forward to seeing you again
soon inshallah,
and hopefully in in in person soon.
Amin. Amin.
Okay. Guys. I gotta get back to the
machine.
Okay.
What?
So, Salman, you might be doing some solo
work, in a bit. I might need to
leave very quickly, and then, I'll try to
come back.
But if not, you might do some solo
stuff. But look, dear brothers and sisters,
that aside, islam 21c.comforward/live
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we're hitting some record numbers today of the
people tuning in. So if you are tuning
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I don't know what that means. I don't
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because
different platforms, different things are good. What I
do know, dear brothers and sisters, is we
need just 5 people.
Can you see my hand? We'll do this
one. Just 5 people, Inshallah.
Yeah. There you go. 5 people, Inshallah, to
make donation. To go to the for a
bathroom break, and he can only go if
he gets 5 donations.
If that was true, I I think, we'd
be in some, problems. But, unfortunately, it's not
Salman. But, look, we want 5 people, inshallah,
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So you need to go to islam 21c4
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If you can be a supporter and you
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Or $50 if you're tuning in from the
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I don't know how how was it done.
You give a like on or Facebook, and
I'm not sure on Twitter what you do.
But whatever it is, dear brothers and sisters,
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What else can you do? Smiley faces, Salman?
Tell me what, what the other things you
could do on these platforms to Yep. Yep.
If you want to go I think you
you covered them all.
What another thing you could do is call
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Manu was saying we have she has to
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momentarily for a few minutes. But,
yeah,
You can call in call in, we can
we can do WhatsApp. They made me install
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That's,
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You can donate via calling as well. 0203-880-2981.
It's 0203-880-2981.
And we're looking for a 100 of supporters
to invest £50
or $50
to reach our target tonight.
We're almost on 300
views. So, yeah, Ahmed,
Tomal, because I'm gonna look some messages. Ahmed,
t,
Manal is saying Assalamu alaikum.
Sorenti said it's a time it's a time
for us.
Here may Allah make the campaign a success.
Sorenting us from the USA.
Someone called Ahmed t. Ram Ahmed said if
it wasn't for the covering of Allah, we
surely be exposed in disgrace.
May Allah strengthen all of us and make
us from those who can put this in
practice. Amin. Amin.
So yeah.
I've been left by myself,
with rich people watching. I need to make
sure I don't do anything embarrassing, but I
want to hear from you brothers and sisters
now. So if you, have any comments,
what you want to see SunTrust cover. I'll
just go through some of the slides for
anyone who's,
new to SunTrust.
We've been around for,
since 2006. I joined,
much later,
about,
10 years ago, 9, 10 years ago.
And our vision, we've had a we've had
a few, you know, revisions and a few,
rebrandings on over the years to to keep
up with the times. And, our bold new,
revised vision is to see Muslims
empowered and impacting the world.
Right? So 2 important words there, empowerment and
impact. By empowerment, we mean to make us
stronger and more confident in our identity, in
our skin as Muslims,
in our iman, in our practice as Muslims.
And to have impact is to have strong
positive effect,
wherever we are. And one of the unique
things that distinguishes Santron you'll see is,
and all of the people in our orbit,
all of the all of our contributors and
our, other organizations that we work with, is
we have
we we have Islamic principles that we base
all of our ta'wa and our activities
on. You know, we can go through our
principles,
you know, if you want wanna let me
know in the comments. If you know any
of them, you can check them out on
something and see.
I think there's a, there's a few pages
that not about us and that kind of
stuff.
One of our principles is championing heritage.
Right? One of our principles is, being Ummah
centric
and being consensus oriented. You know? We we
we work towards unifying the Ummah, making us
focus on
more important things that are required in a
contextualized manner
rather than,
things that will cause Muslims to, you know,
fight on our strength and depart and so
forth.
We have a new mission, a new wording
of our mission. Obviously, the work's been same
over the last 20 odd years,
but our new mission,
as of a few months ago, we reworded
it.
We educate and inspire Muslims with divine guidance
and solutions through transformational digital content. And that's
our
kind of,
core focus, which is transformational digital content.
Yusha mentioned, you know, we we have presence
at retreats. We do some annual dinners and
things like that as well in that so
called in real life.
But the more the core of our focus,
the the majority of our stuff is based
on the digital,
transformational digital content.
We have
we separated we used to do we counted
once, in one of our manual, one of
our annual meetings
about 25
kind of, different products and types of content
that we racked up over the years. You
know? And we've very we've drastically we kind
of simplifies it a lot into
products and platforms. So our platforms are things
like our mailing list,
you know,
and we've started new bespoke
emails,
weekly emails roundup. Just that's available only on
our mailing list. Right? Again, we did
in the last year or so, we've done
a big, huge listening exercise, hundreds of survey
participants,
dozens of 1 on 1 interviews
to get people's ideas of, you know, what
what they what they need.
What they want from Islam 21 c. And
we found that our newsletter, Marshall, we have
tens of 1,000 people on it. It's not
just sending links out, you know, about here's
a new article or whatever. No. It's got
content that's specifically tailored for that,
Individual. Mail shot. Yeah. So So from the
with the likes of Zimrina Sarwan, one of
our sister contributors,
with the likes of, Sheikh Ali Hamuda, our
editor, you know, giving
gems week by week,
in specific,
newsletters. And if you want to if if
you want to, you should sign up to
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I think it is. Or on the home
page, you should see,
you know, a a little button to click,
and and join our newsletter as well. We
also have I did free I did free
to to subscribe and join us. Absolutely. Absolutely.
But at the same time, dear brothers and
sisters, I think you should, click on the
donate button, and donate something
And brothers and sisters, remember, the donations
or the, which is most beloved, is the,
which is small but consistent. Sadaqa, which is
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wanna translate translate that to the 21st century,
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or a monthly subscription that you pay to
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give £5, £10, £20,
whatever it is that you want to give
to support the work that Islam 21 c
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tailored,
newsletters, to its podcasts,
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You'll have inshallah sharing all of it. And
I'm very Mhmm. Firm in the belief that,
dear brothers and sisters, if you think big,
Allah will reward you big. If you think
big, then Allah will look after you big.
And what do I mean by that? If
you say Allah, I'm gonna give this 1
pound, this £10, this £5,
this £500,
but I wanna shave every single that comes
from it. Allah will give it to you
because you're giving to be a part of
that pool of all of this work and
all this. So it's really important that you
get involved tonight. Islam21c.comforward/live.
That's the link. That's what you need to
click on. It's gonna come up on your
screen very, very soon.
I did wanna ask a question to the
viewers.
What is your favorite
product or favorite output of Islam 21 c,
and what's your favorite platform that you would
like watching it on? So is it an
article? Is it a podcast? Is it infographics?
Is it someone's live streams or when he
monologues to the camera in his,
green little room or setup that he's got.
And what's your favorite lighting with Salman? Is
it green? Is it blue?
Salman, is there something, a bit cultural with
the light that you've got green there? Is
there is there something why you've got green
as opposed to any other color? Well, it's
part of as part of our brand,
very strict Branding. Brand palette
colors, so we can't, stray from those colors.
We have So where's your green where's your
green,
where's your green t shirt? Department.
The question is, where's your green t shirt?
And more importantly, where's your green toppy?
Where's your green hat? Top in my heart,
brother.
In terms of products, you're mentioning products. What's
your favorite product? You can see it on
screen, brothers and sisters, if you wanna zoom
in a bit.
We have 4 different areas. Okay? Guidance, Islamic
guidance,
news. And I said news is not just
reporting, but news from an Islamic perspective with
analysis from scholars,
Muslim subject expert,
subject matter experts, and so forth. We have
podcasts. We have 2 different podcast series. Unscripted
is the the the old one, Alhamdulillah, they're
lighthearted.
But,
about 6 months ago, we started empowered as
well, the empowered podcast, which is very specific,
strict to the point,
concise kind of interviewing experts to to to,
deconstruct certain,
you know, important issues for us in today's
day and age.
And we have campaigns as well. We have
minor campaigns and major campaigns. Major campaigns like
the Stand For Uyghurs,
the in the issues campaign. And we have
we've got a few other campaigns coming along
soon as well. We have, like we mentioned
a few days ago, the benefit of having
an a, you know, a a team and
and process and organization with longevity, alhamdulillah,
over the last 20 years. We have the
processes. We have the structures in place. We
have, you know, campaign initiation documents. For example,
we do all of lots of planning, send
it show it to x subject matter experts,
get their feedback, and so forth. And we
have, this a new campaign in the in
the making,
called Palestine Truth, you know,
unveiling realities and uniting voices. So we wanna
tackle the lack of knowledge,
we wanna tackle the misinformation and Zionist propaganda,
for example,
that's out there
about that that's a prerequisite for the genocide
in Gaza. Wanna tackle that as well as,
and and do that utilizing strategies like,
educating people, busting myths,
giving boycott specific boycott guidance,
sharing Palestinian voices themselves.
Right? Giving practical action points, directing people towards
effective action,
having scholarly engagement, promoting women And this, by
the way, is
a
Yeah, Usman? Yeah. Usman, I was gonna say
this is really important. Something that you said
there was not just about sharing the voices
and and showing the authenticity of of the
campaign and the truth, but it's actually pointing
people
to practical solutions about how they can make
a change within their sphere of influence.
So Yeah. There's a theory,
I I think it's called the sphere of
influence or it might be called something else.
It's about what impact you can have. And
they say if you draw, I think, 4
or 5 circles or 7 circles, and it
shows your sphere of influence, the first one
being yourself, then your family,
then maybe your your your wider family, then
your community,
and then, above that, your town, your city,
etcetera.
So what is it that you can do
in your capacity
to make a difference within any set or
specific campaign,
whether it be the WeGO one, whether it
be,
another one.
There's a a a brother here, Abdullah,
Abdullah, tell us where you're tuning in from.
It looks like YouTube, but which part of
the world?
And hopefully, we're gonna see you donating to
Islam 21 c. You can do that by
islam 21c.comforward/live.
But run the system. It's really important that
it's not just about raising awareness. It's about
raising awareness and giving you some solutions to
try to make an impact. One of those
impacts, yes, in this case, is donating
donating in charity. It's,
helping the people there. But another one is
raising your voice. Another one is
petitioning your MPs or your members of parliament
or those in authority. Masha'Allah.
He's from Chicago.
Is that Illinois? USA.
I think it might be.
So all the way from the US, may
Allah bless you. We ask Allah to keep
you firm on iman, and,
hopefully, we'll see some dollars coming in.
Uh-huh. Osman, one of the things that, you
know, we have to be blunt here. You
know what I mean? Some people might be
thinking, yeah, but, there's a lot of attention
on Palestinian voices and and and Yeah. Yeah.
The culture of Palestine, alhamdulillah.
It's important we turn. We've got kind of
a 320 people watching now called it through
the software.
Many people might have felt this as well
and that is
some people are very good when it comes
to talking about Palestine, for example, but they'll
be silent on the Uyghur genocide
or even, you know, supporting China against the
Uyghurs.
And some people might be okay on the
Uyghurs, but then silent on, you know, Palestine,
for example,
or, you know, Bashar al
Mas'id, for example. The important thing about things
like Palestine truth that was just on the
screen a second ago, the comp campaigns that
we do, campaign
without the whole community
is it's from a
Islamic standpoint.
It's
not we're we're piggybacking on narratives from maybe
lefties or right wing people because they wanna
take shots at, Israel or China respectively. No.
This is from our own perspective.
We had a,
a launch dinner. We were helping, you know,
and and, you know, being and signal boosting
a local
Uyghur organization that we and our brothers
and sisters around us help, kind of get
on its feet. So
themselves, they stand for. There's non talking about
the. The whole Ummah kind of awakening the
issue. But the themselves, you know, they have,
East the United Kingdom East Turkestan Society, UKETS,
that we helped set up. And there was
a launch.
We were putting assumptions. See, I was there.
I was hosting. And there there was, you
know, honor for them to ask that. And
one of the, the sheikh, he said, you
know,
Yeah. The issue of Palestine
is our issue.
These are people who are going through genocide
themselves
where you know, a place where you can
get arrested and put in a concentration camp
for the crime of saying, Assalamu alaikum.
For the crime, we're we're fasting, Alhamdulillah. We're
about to have suhoor here wherever you are
in the world.
They have they have to have in the
dark because there are people in the streets,
right, looking if there are any, police looking
if there are any lights on in the
in in in in a house and going
to raid them because fasting is illegal there.
Right? In occupied east of Kyssan occupied by
the Chinese Communist Party. Forced, and people are
forced during the day, brothers and sisters Forced
fed. Not to just drink water,
but they're force fed pork, they're force fed
alcohol.
If you look a bit too Muslim, Salman
mentioned about saying salaam. Imagine someone overhears you.
But even if you look a bit too
Muslim, I. E. You have a your lahir
is too big or you wear a particular
type of clothing,
you could be arrested. But something which is
absolutely crazy, dear brothers and sisters, the most
cameras to population in any part of the
world is where? It's in East Turkmenistan,
and the vast majority of those cameras which
were trialed, tested, and implemented
are facial recognition cameras.
So that means it will pick up everybody's
face no matter where you go so they
can track you in every place. So I
don't they're they're saying that, like, it's You
know that that technology
was developed in UK universities
and Western Universities.
Right? With payer play companies like Huawei. And
alhamdulillah, the Muslim community,
yeah, because it's getting its act together, alhamdulillah,
because we have not just Stanford Eagles, but
other campaigns and any you know, there's there's
always action,
you know, alhamdulillah on the ground. There's so
much khair in this ummah.
They
certain key universities have,
have,
successfully
divested and and delinked the universities from these
Chinese Communist Party operated companies like Huawei.
So Huawei is, you know, abandoned some university.
That that way, they were reliant on Western
University's technology
to go and apply it to discriminating against
oil,
for example. Why am I mentioning this? I
mentioned this because these people look at what
they're going through, not to mention the concentration
camps, the forced sterilization,
the *, the torture, and so forth.
But they're saying if if if if anyone
would be given the
the, you know, the concession and and and
and understanding that focus on my own issue,
my own oppression, it would be them. But
even they, their leaders,
the people that we're saying, they have the
Islamic,
perspective, the Islamic worldview, right, that they're basing
their,
their,
activism on Islam. Right? They're saying
our Palestine is our issue as well. Right?
They're saying this this is going against
the broader,
kind of,
voices that are talking about Palestine today because
it's hot. It's in the news. Right? They
may be they may be
saying the right things on Palestine because they're
not motivated by divine guidance. They're motivated by
something else. They might be good on Palestine,
certain, you know, journalists and what so forth,
but they'll be supporting China. They'll be supporting
Bashar al Assad and so forth.
Right? So this is why it's important to
empower. Yeah. We work with them. We we
cooperate with anyone who wants to.
We work together and cooperate on specific points
of that is good, righteousness,
god fearing, that is is enjoying the good,
feeding the evil. But the difference between that
and having your own voice from an Islamic
perspective
is
that we are not motivated by
hatred for
Jews or hatred for China or hatred for
whatever. No. We're motivated by
values that aren't tethered
to something outside of us, values that are
anchored to Allah and His messenger sallallahu alaihi
wa sallam And this is what distinguishes distinguishes
the Muslim Ummah from any other person who
might be saying the right thing right now,
but they'll say the wrong thing, you know,
when it comes to something else because
tribalism, because of nationalism, national interest and and
and other agendas and and and and so
forth. And this is what the world is
crying out for. This is what people who
have a natural sense of justice that Allah
gave them. This is why so many tens
of thousands of them, I I saw a
statistic today, are coming to Islam when they're
looking at what's happening in Gaza, for example.
Right? Salman,
with that, look, we're gonna bring this, stream
to a close.
So brothers and sisters, with that, we need
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for everybody.
And I ask Allah,
he reunites all of us in
and
he gives us the greatest of honors of
seeing his,
glorious being,
Mhmm. With that, dear brothers and sisters, we
will come to a close.
And just a reminder, brothers and sisters, we're
gonna be back tomorrow,
with Sheikh Asim Khan, He's gonna be joining
us.
Then the day after that
with Usad Hamza, churches,
and the final of the last,
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Santoni on Sea and very important
media related,
narrative related,
topics that we need to all be wary
of. So that's it from me as well.
Unless,
we have we have,
one more call to, a reminder to give
you.
Number 1, remember the dua. This is
why we're doing these short,
live streams in these last 10 nights because
time is precious. They want us
to,
diversify our because helping support the is
as well. Being on the the the the
the frontiers of defending,
the hack defending our brothers and sisters, their
voices is a bad as well, and we
want to get that reward as well.
And we did it just for a short
2 hour period because we finished our we
did our and Isha, then we're gonna do
some, personal
night prayer and go to a masjid if
it's close by if it's safe for you
to do the night prayer, remembering to do,
you know, recite Quran,
make dua. And the dua that we are
taught to say by the prophet is
is
Allahumma.
Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma.
Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma.
Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma.
Allahumma. Allahumma. Allahumma. Allah. You Pardon. You are
the one who pardons.
You love to pardon, so pardon me. Pardon
us. Yeah. That's one reminder. And the final
reminder is,
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people. Even if one thing a piece of
advice I give myself, first and foremost, anytime
you have an opportunity today, something comes up,
some whatever
TV on your phone, whatever, message, always always,
donate. Try to always donate. Even if it's,
like, £1, $1, wherever you are,
such as so we can tell Allah, Ola,
an opportunity came my way and I just
I fulfill that opportunity.
You Allah, you know, I didn't have 1,000,000,
not a millionaire, whatever, billionaire,
but you gave me
a bit of wealth. You gave me an
opportunity, and I donated. And just just give
£1, $1, whatever.
The benefit of that is you can show
Allah,
put your money where your mouth is. We
can show Allah, yeah, Allah, I did something.
I got an opportunity, I did something. If
we don't, then I've I fear personally, the
next time Allah will stop giving me more
and more opportunities for.
More and more opportunities for good. So anytime,
not just some, whatever. We have so many
some people might get annoyed,
like, you know, there's so many I'm trying
to
focus on my Quran and this and that.
I'm getting messages to donate.
Respond to every single one of those messages
if you can. Yeah. Even if it's just
giving 1 pound just so you can say,
you Allah, I'm responding to the call that
you
decreed that will come in front of my
eyes right now. So any anywhere you are,
brother and sister, I try myself first and
foremost. Now forgive us if we have shortcomings
on this. Any opportunity we get, we see
it comes it's gone our attention,
donate.
If somebody is, you know, if something's good
happening, it's obviously not dodgy or anything like
that, if it's reputable organizations,
donate. Even if it's something small,
divide all your sadaqah, your, charity, and so
forth, amongst that. And remember,
anytime you give sadaqah, remember,
your parents, your loved ones, your family members,
your teachers, your great great great grandparents,
your children in your intention as well. Because
the topic of giving, you know,
giving rewards,
they say, you know, and to different people
and so on. It's contested amongst scholars, but
they all agreed that sadaqa is that one
thing. Yeah. That inshallah
is established on the sunnah of the prophet
that you can give sadaqa.
It's established on the the the the the
norms of the early Muslims, for example, and
the and the practice of the Ummah. You
can sadaqa is one of those things you
can give, and you can intend, yeah, Allah,
I'm giving this for myself and for my
mother and my father and my children and
this person and that person and so forth.
And Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala, he's more generous
than us. He's not gonna divide it across
everyone. No. He's gonna give, Insha'Allah, first and
say, he's gonna give
reward for that to many, many, many people
and and and and magnify you and your
reward as well for thinking of your brother
and sister. Think of your Ummah, your parents
doing Birewali Day, maybe they passed away, and
you wanna give their name.
So that's my final reminder. Whenever you see
an opportunity for,
just give something. Just give something. Even just
try to do it. Just try and do
this. I tried to do implement this from
last year. And look,
it didn't the world didn't end.
It's doable, Insha Allah. So just, you know,
if you have messages, if you you have
you're watching, you know, stream, whatever, just give
make sure you give something, even something small,
so we can say to Allah that Allah
give us keep giving us opportunities for. It
may be don't get annoyed seeing loads of,
donation prompts. It may be that Allah gave
you that promotion, that job, that raise at
work,
that new business deal because he wanted to
use you as a vehicle to make that
salakah end up somewhere else. And he's honoring
you, and he's honoring me with these opportunities.
So with that,
we're we've, hit our 2 hour mark now.
Brothers and sisters for watching.
Join in again tomorrow,
and go to Islam tournesse.comforward/live.
You can actually just go there and see
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Asim Khan, and,
Saad Hamza Georges as well in the next
coming days.
That's it from me in the central Nc
team. Zach