Yousuf Raza – PsychBaithak QnA Session 3

Yousuf Raza
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The conversation covers topics related to depression, anxiety, and hair fall, as well as mental health issues. The speakers emphasize the importance of treating conditions and addressing symptoms to improve one's health. They also discuss the use of benzodiazepines for panic attacks, the risks of therapy, and the importance of understanding the potential consequences of therapy. The conversation ends with a suggestion to tag the master trainer and emphasize the importance of training for mental health.

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			Yes, in the name of Allah and peace
		
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			be upon the Messenger of Allah and upon
		
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			his companions.
		
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			Peace be upon you.
		
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			How are you Azam?
		
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			Peace be upon you too.
		
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			Do you guys see me?
		
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			Give me signs of life people that you're
		
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			here and that you can hear me.
		
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			Okay, so today we're going to be addressing
		
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			some of the questions that have been coming
		
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			in.
		
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			Our apologies for not being able to have
		
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			our session last week.
		
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			Okay, there you go.
		
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			Azam is back.
		
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			Azam, welcome back.
		
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			Peace be upon you.
		
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			Peace be upon you too.
		
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			Where did you go?
		
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			I don't know.
		
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			Okay, you're back.
		
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			I'm lost.
		
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			You are lost?
		
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			Maybe you need a session.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Okay, so where do we stand?
		
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			Do you have any questions to answer today?
		
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			Yes, Dr. Yousuf, we have a Q&A
		
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			today.
		
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			So, we'll be discussing that.
		
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			Okay, so let's start.
		
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			Let me ask you the first question.
		
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			Is there any connection between vitamin D deficiency
		
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			and depression?
		
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			Can you tell us about the systemic causes
		
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			of depression?
		
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			I was thinking that when a professor asks
		
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			a student a question like this in the
		
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			end.
		
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			Yes, vitamin D deficiency can mimic depression.
		
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			Just like many other metabolic causes.
		
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			I'm using mimic.
		
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			It can mimic and cause.
		
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			So, there is a controversy there.
		
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			But yes, vitamin D deficiency can cause that.
		
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			It should be dealt with as soon as
		
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			possible.
		
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			Apart from depression, it can cause a lot
		
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			of other things also.
		
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			So, vitamin D deficiency.
		
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			Now, it's winter in Pakistan.
		
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			So, we're sitting in the sun.
		
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			So, that helps.
		
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			Other than vitamin D, the second part of
		
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			the question is systemic causes.
		
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			So, there are a lot of systemic causes.
		
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			There can be neurological causes.
		
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			There can be metabolic causes.
		
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			There can be anemia.
		
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			Anemia can also mimic depression.
		
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			So, there are a lot more.
		
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			So, hypothyroidism is one very important.
		
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			There can be dementia in old age.
		
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			There can be any long-standing infection.
		
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			There are a lot of medicines.
		
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			So, it is a very broad question.
		
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			There can be a lot of things.
		
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			I don't think everything is different.
		
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			But yes, there are many metabolic causes.
		
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			There can be depression due to systemic causes.
		
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			There you go.
		
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			So, there are a lot of biological causes.
		
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			There are systemic causes.
		
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			In which depression and other symptoms like depression
		
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			can occur.
		
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			Also, if someone is experiencing depressive symptoms due
		
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			to psychological, psychosocial, existential, or spiritual reasons.
		
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			So, that can lead towards a lifestyle.
		
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			In which we superimpose biological depression on it.
		
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			For example, due to depression, nutritional, loss of
		
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			appetite, inadequate intake.
		
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			If that lasts for long enough, vitamin D
		
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			deficiency, anemia.
		
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			All of that will also come along as
		
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			well.
		
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			And then there is also a lot of
		
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			diabetes, hypertension.
		
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			They also have a long-standing impact or
		
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			influence.
		
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			You will have depressive symptomatology implicated.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Exactly.
		
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			And just like in existential, spiritual, or psychological
		
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			issues.
		
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			If we give biological treatment.
		
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			It may be beneficial.
		
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			But it may cause more harm.
		
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			Or it may not work as well.
		
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			Same goes for the biological causes of depression.
		
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			If you think that it is due to
		
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			hypothyroidism.
		
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			And if you treat the relationships that you
		
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			have.
		
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			The amount of thyroxine will be fulfilled.
		
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			Then it won't be like that.
		
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			If we put a hypothyroid on a chair
		
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			and start.
		
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			Sir, please tell us about your childhood.
		
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			Something must have happened in your childhood.
		
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			That was going to be messed up.
		
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			On the part of the psychiatrist or the
		
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			psychologist.
		
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			If that is the direction to take it.
		
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			Also, there is also.
		
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			In every speciality.
		
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			There are some.
		
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			Diagnostic categories.
		
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			Which have a lot of overlap.
		
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			With stress and lifestyle.
		
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			So for example, we have PCOS in gynecology.
		
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			We have IBS in gastroenterology.
		
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			And then there will be.
		
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			There are neurological conditions as well.
		
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			In which the treatment.
		
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			Includes stress management.
		
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			But typically, the practitioners.
		
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			Medical specialists, gastroenterologists.
		
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			Would not be adequately.
		
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			Emphasizing as to how important.
		
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			The treatment of stresses.
		
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			Or the management of stresses in those conditions.
		
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			Yusuf, I just saw a patient.
		
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			Today.
		
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			He went to a neurologist.
		
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			And the neurologist.
		
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			Wrote on his prescription.
		
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			Stress positive, stress positive.
		
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			And he was given a vitamin D.
		
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			And also an estrogram.
		
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			So now the medical practitioners.
		
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			The neurologists.
		
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			They have a very common practice.
		
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			Whatever the problem is.
		
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			Along with that.
		
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			You prescribe an antidepressant.
		
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			Because they say.
		
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			If there is no harm in it.
		
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			Then it is beneficial.
		
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			So let it go.
		
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			And this is actually.
		
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			A pretty good prescription.
		
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			If they have given only vitamin D.
		
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			And isotelopram.
		
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			Compared to what actually goes on there.
		
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			Some add benzodiazepines.
		
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			Some even give antipsychotics.
		
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			Some give a combination of tricyclic.
		
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			And SSRI.
		
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			And.
		
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			They are not even going to tell.
		
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			The person that they are interacting with.
		
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			What is this medicine for.
		
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			How many patients do we have.
		
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			And they don't even know.
		
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			That this medicine.
		
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			This is for tension.
		
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			This is for depression.
		
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			This is for sleep.
		
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			They don't know.
		
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			As far as they are concerned.
		
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			They have physical symptoms.
		
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			All of these.
		
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			These medicines have been given.
		
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			For those physical symptoms.
		
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			And Allah Allah.
		
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			If there is anything else.
		
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			Nobody has ever told them.
		
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			Nobody has ever told them.
		
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			Apparently the gastroenterologist.
		
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			Or the medical specialist.
		
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			They think antidepressants.
		
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			Will cure depression.
		
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			Just like antipyretics.
		
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			Will cure fever.
		
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			So that's unfortunate.
		
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			So what about hair fall.
		
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			Yusuf.
		
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			Yusuf.
		
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			Our psychiatrists.
		
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			Have a lot of hands in this.
		
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			Because neurologist sees.
		
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			That if this patient.
		
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			Goes to the psychiatrist.
		
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			He doesn't have to do anything else.
		
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			Exactly.
		
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			If I send him there.
		
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			He will pay my fees.
		
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			I will shift the patient.
		
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			I will take him myself.
		
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			Because the psychiatrist.
		
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			Doesn't have to do anything else.
		
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			When he sees this.
		
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			So.
		
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			Of course.
		
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			It is more legitimate.
		
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			It is more legitimate.
		
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			To give this.
		
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			Because the patient has come to him.
		
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			And if he will refer him somewhere else.
		
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			He will also go and pay the fees.
		
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			It will cost more money.
		
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			And the result is the same.
		
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			That he has to get antidepressants.
		
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			Nobody has to talk to him.
		
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			He will have to face a lot of
		
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			stigma.
		
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			That he is coming from the psychiatrist's office.
		
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			So that's the problem.
		
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			Exactly.
		
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			So as psychiatrists.
		
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			We are responsible for the ignorance of our
		
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			colleagues.
		
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			In other specialties.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Can hair fall also be due to depression?
		
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			It can.
		
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			You are teasing him.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Don't tease him.
		
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			So.
		
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			It is a common myth.
		
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			That due to stress.
		
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			The vision becomes weak.
		
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			Due to stress.
		
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			The hair starts falling.
		
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			The hair turns white.
		
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			Due to cold.
		
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			The hair turns white.
		
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			So.
		
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			But.
		
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			We don't have any evidence.
		
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			That.
		
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			Due to depression or stress.
		
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			The hair falls.
		
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			There are a lot of medicines.
		
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			That cause alopecia.
		
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			But.
		
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			Depression in itself.
		
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			It doesn't cause it.
		
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			This thing.
		
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			Can be thought of.
		
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			Because self-care.
		
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			Decreases.
		
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			His appetite.
		
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			So as a consequence.
		
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			All these things.
		
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			Can be thought of.
		
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			But depression in itself.
		
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			If all this is fine.
		
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			Then there is no evidence.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Hubab is saying.
		
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			That your discussion is very technical.
		
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			Avoid jargon.
		
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			And try to explain.
		
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			And Rabia is asking.
		
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			If they can ask questions.
		
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			By all means.
		
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			Please do ask questions.
		
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			And once we are done.
		
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			With the questions that we shared.
		
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			We will turn to your questions.
		
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			So when you say.
		
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			That Rabia is asking.
		
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			Take the full name.
		
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			Rabia is asking.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Ask the next question.
		
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			Is breathlessness.
		
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			Related to anxiety imaginary.
		
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			Or can people actually.
		
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			Stop breathing and die.
		
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			I didn't understand.
		
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			The first part of the question.
		
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			But the second part.
		
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			The second part.
		
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			The answer to that.
		
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			Is that.
		
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			We cannot die.
		
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			By stopping our own breath.
		
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			This cannot happen.
		
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			So even.
		
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			I remember.
		
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			On National Geographic.
		
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			The science of stupid.
		
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			In that program.
		
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			They also showed this thing.
		
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			I will hold my breath.
		
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			It doesn't stop.
		
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			So.
		
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			I think the first part of the question.
		
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			Was concerned.
		
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			I think the phrasing.
		
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			Would have been a little better.
		
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			When we say that.
		
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			Breathlessness is imaginary.
		
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			On one side.
		
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			And on the other side.
		
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			Is it so real that it can cause
		
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			death.
		
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			That is assuming.
		
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			It's one or the other.
		
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			Which is inside anxiety.
		
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			Especially if.
		
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			A panic attack situation.
		
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			Is being created.
		
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			In that.
		
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			The difficulty of breathing.
		
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			That is real.
		
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			That is not imaginary.
		
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			That is really.
		
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			A difficulty of breathing.
		
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			That the person.
		
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			Who is experiencing it.
		
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			Is suffering from.
		
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			That will not lead to.
		
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			Suffocation and death.
		
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			As such.
		
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			That.
		
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			Can't go to that level.
		
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			But it is definitely a difficulty of breathing.
		
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			There is nothing wrong with that.
		
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			That is not being faked.
		
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			That is not imaginary.
		
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			That is not being.
		
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			What to say.
		
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			They are not putting on a drama.
		
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			They are really experiencing it.
		
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			It is a real symptom of anxiety.
		
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			Anxiety.
		
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			There are a lot of physical symptoms.
		
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			Heart rate.
		
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			Increases.
		
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			Shortness of breath.
		
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			Sweating.
		
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			Cold clammy skin.
		
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			Gastrointestinal.
		
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			Symptoms.
		
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			Symptoms of asthma.
		
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			Symptoms are real.
		
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			Sympathetic.
		
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			Nervous system.
		
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			Nervous system.
		
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			Fight or flight.
		
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			Emergency.
		
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			Urgent situations.
		
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			That has become.
		
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			Active in anxiety.
		
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			All of those.
		
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			Symptoms are a consequence of that.
		
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			They are not fake.
		
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			They are real.
		
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			But yes.
		
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			They do not lead to death.
		
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			Or.
		
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			A person cannot kill themselves that way.
		
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			Next question.
		
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			If one feels anxiety.
		
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			About certain things.
		
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			Which do turn out to be true.
		
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			And a cause of worry.
		
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			Should that person.
		
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			Use medicines.
		
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			To suppress their anxiety.
		
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			First of all.
		
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			The medicine they took.
		
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			Laxotinil.
		
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			Or any other.
		
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			Benzodiazepine.
		
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			Which we call.
		
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			Anxiolytics.
		
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			This is never.
		
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			Long term.
		
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			Advisable.
		
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			Even if it is advised.
		
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			They are only for.
		
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			Short term management.
		
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			Also for.
		
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			Emergency management.
		
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			But even in emergency management.
		
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			The oral medicines.
		
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			Will not.
		
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			Calm down.
		
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			Within seconds.
		
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			It takes some time.
		
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			At least a few minutes.
		
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			The first part of the question.
		
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			I forgot.
		
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			If that does.
		
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			Turn out to be true.
		
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			That is a reality.
		
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			The anxiety is based.
		
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			In the real.
		
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			Cause for concern or worry.
		
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			Then should that be treated.
		
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			With medications.
		
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			Or for example.
		
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			So.
		
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			Generally.
		
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			Psychiatrist.
		
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			Cause.
		
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			Cause.
		
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			Severity.
		
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			Overall.
		
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			Anxiety.
		
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			Symptoms.
		
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			Symptoms are so.
		
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			Spear.
		
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			Daily life activities.
		
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			Really.
		
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			So yes.
		
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			Medicines can be.
		
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			They can.
		
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			Symptoms.
		
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			Avoid.
		
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			But even then.
		
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			Even in moderate.
		
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			Intensity.
		
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			Anxiety moderate.
		
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			Job interview.
		
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			Psychotherapy.
		
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			The job interview.
		
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			Job interview.
		
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			Job interview.
		
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			So it.
		
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			Varies from.
		
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			Okay situation.
		
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			Or a psychiatrist.
		
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			The more important thing.
		
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			to look is, what is the severity, then
		
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			what is the cause and even if we
		
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			once in a particular situation, its severity, even
		
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			the way it is hampering, its performance, we
		
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			give it medication to control it, it should
		
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			come with the adequate information that this should
		
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			not become a habit, that if you have
		
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			a series of job interviews in a month
		
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			or two months and then before every single
		
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			one of them, you are going to start
		
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			taking a benzodiazepine or any kind of anxiety
		
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			medication, then its addictive potential, becoming addicted to
		
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			it, its possibility is real and that has
		
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			to be taken into consideration and its best
		
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			to manage this, not by your own consultation,
		
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			with someone's advice, okay, as much as I
		
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			believe you just mentioned, you just responded to
		
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			Kashaf Saleem's question with respect to benzodiazepines, emergency,
		
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			for those of you who are listening, benzodiazepines,
		
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			which are usually sleeping pills, Alp, Alprazolam, Xanax,
		
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			etc., that's their benzodiazepines, they are being asked
		
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			about them, that emergency Ghaliban, she's a doctor,
		
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			can they be given to treat a panic
		
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			attack in an emergency, and if they can
		
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			be given, then which one?
		
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			So, they can definitely be given, and I
		
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			won't tell you which one is on-air.
		
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			Okay, so Kashaf, you can message Azam to
		
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			find out, already our questioners, whether people know
		
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			the name of any other benzodiazepines, and if
		
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			you were to really say that in all
		
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			the classes of psychiatry, the most misused, abused,
		
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			which class is it, then that's benzodiazepines, as
		
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			Azam said earlier, they should only be used
		
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			with prescription, and even on prescription for a
		
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			short term only, we should not make a
		
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			habit of prescribing or taking them so frequently.
		
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			Alright, that's fine.
		
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			Do people with drug-related psychosis ever recover
		
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			completely?
		
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			How to address those who have little to
		
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			no insight?
		
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			So, the first question is, among psychosis, one
		
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			of, the psychosis which probably has the best
		
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			recovery rate, which has the highest chances of
		
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			recovery, is drug-induced psychosis, because as soon
		
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			as the drug is washed out of your
		
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			system, and its long-term effects are over,
		
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			the person starts to recover, and even the
		
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			short-acting drugs, which cause psychosis, like heroin,
		
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			cannabis, or the hallucinogens, even without any treatment,
		
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			as soon as the drug is washed out
		
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			of the system, they improve.
		
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			So, we are not talking about addiction here,
		
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			we are just talking about the psychotic symptoms.
		
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			For those of you who are not aware,
		
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			what is psychotic symptom?
		
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			What is psychotic symptom?
		
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			It means that people lose contact with reality,
		
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			and they are making either very tall, unbelievable,
		
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			unrealistic claims about themselves, about others, or hearing
		
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			voices, etc.
		
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			These are the symptoms we call psychosis.
		
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			And the second part of the question was,
		
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			how to engage with someone who has psychosis?
		
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			For those who have little to no insight,
		
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			how do we deal with them?
		
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			So, if there is no insight, and we
		
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			are only talking about psychotic patients, if there
		
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			is no insight, and generally, it is not
		
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			only psychotic patients, the chances are very low
		
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			that they engage with you in any meaningful
		
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			discussion.
		
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			Because if there is no insight, it signifies
		
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			that the odd beliefs or delusions are very
		
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			well organized.
		
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			So, there are more chances that if a
		
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			patient has no insight, he will respond to
		
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			the medicine better, and only then will his
		
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			odd beliefs be able to be shaken, and
		
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			his aggression, his paranoia will be reduced.
		
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			Because we are only talking about psychosis.
		
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			So, only then they will be able to
		
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			engage in any meaningful discussion.
		
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			Right, Yusuf?
		
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			Or is there anything else?
		
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			I think that's pretty much most of what
		
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			they are probably asking.
		
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			And one more thing that I think is
		
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			important in this is that, if there is
		
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			no insight, how do we give them the
		
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			medicine?
		
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			So, in consultation with a psychiatrist that you
		
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			have elaborately discussed the particular case with, ideally,
		
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			the psychiatrist should have seen the patient as
		
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			well.
		
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			It is important to see them once.
		
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			Without seeing them, there can be problems in
		
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			recommending the medicine.
		
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			So, I mean, some way or the other,
		
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			the psychiatrist needs to have had a conversation.
		
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			A lot of people who don't have insight,
		
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			who don't consider themselves sick.
		
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			What does it mean to have no insight?
		
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			That they don't think that they are unwell,
		
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			or they have anything wrong with them.
		
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			And they are making tall claims, and they
		
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			are creating a lot of chaos.
		
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			Then people from Behlab Hosla bring them.
		
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			They tell them something else and bring them.
		
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			And that gives the psychiatrist a chance to...
		
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			Usually, people say, I have to get my
		
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			checkup done, come with me.
		
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			When they come there, then the psychiatrist gets
		
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			a chance to speak to them.
		
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			Somebody that they respect, despite all of psychosis,
		
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			some basic morals or values or respect elements
		
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			still remain intact.
		
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			There are some people who cannot be denied.
		
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			So, people can be called upon to bring
		
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			them.
		
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			And then, once that has happened, then if
		
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			you listen to them and take the medicine,
		
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			that's ideal.
		
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			Otherwise, there are other ways of giving medication.
		
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			What those ways are, how do they work?
		
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			It is best that you speak to the
		
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			psychiatrist according to that particular situation.
		
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			How can it be done?
		
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			Should it be done?
		
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			Do you have to mix the medicine in
		
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			the food?
		
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			How is that going to work?
		
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			How is that going to be used?
		
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			That's going to be discussed in a one
		
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			-to-one session.
		
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			Okay?
		
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			Let's go.
		
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			Kashif is saying, regarding the specific benzodiazepine, I
		
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			won't tell you live, that there was a
		
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			recent situation in which the patient was deteriorating
		
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			and I gave a benzodiazepine IV.
		
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			And I wanted to confirm and know, doc,
		
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			in such situation.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Let's go.
		
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			Kashif, again, it's probably a good idea, if
		
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			you're going to have to manage a lot
		
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			of ER cases, that you will understand how
		
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			to do it in one go.
		
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			So, Kashif, if you gave IV benzodiazepine, in
		
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			Pakistan, if you are in Pakistan, there are
		
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			only two benzodiazepines that are available, Dormicum and
		
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			Dizepam.
		
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			So, if you gave Dormicum, its half-life
		
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			is only a few minutes.
		
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			So, it won't affect the anxiety.
		
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			If you gave Dizepam, its half-life is
		
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			about 50-70 hours.
		
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			So, if you gave it for a very
		
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			long time, maybe, in an emergency case, I
		
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			don't want to tell you what to give,
		
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			because only you are not listening.
		
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			So, it shouldn't happen that after that, they
		
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			themselves start doing it.
		
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			So, I would not tell that, Kashif.
		
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			Going on for a longer period of time,
		
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			and that would require a diagnosis.
		
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			And obviously, we are not here to talk
		
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			about, or take a class of emergency psychiatry.
		
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			You can do that sometime.
		
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			So, Kashif, next time, when this happens, write
		
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			a call to psychiatry.
		
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			And whoever is PGRE or consulted, you can
		
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			ask them.
		
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			Okay, I don't think, Kashif, wherever you work,
		
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			this facility is not available.
		
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			Okay, next question.
		
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			At what point should you give up on
		
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			your therapist and move to another one or
		
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			quit therapy altogether?
		
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			How does one realize that the therapy is
		
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			not working for you?
		
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			Very good question.
		
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			So, I will answer this in two ways.
		
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			From patient's perspective, or from counselor's perspective.
		
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			So, from patient's perspective, if you feel that
		
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			you are...
		
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			So, first of all, you need to understand
		
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			what therapy is.
		
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			It's not like you go one day, and
		
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			they tell you a few things, and you
		
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			follow them the next day, and you start
		
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			getting better.
		
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			We see patients who get better after one
		
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			or two sessions, and we see patients who
		
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			get better after a lot of sessions.
		
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			So, I don't think I can give you
		
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			a satisfactory answer to this.
		
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			Because if I talk in a non-technical
		
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			way, a lot of times, the therapist is
		
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			not compatible with your problem, or not competent
		
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			enough to deal with your problem.
		
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			But a lot of times, it happens that
		
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			the patient has his own guard.
		
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			He doesn't open up so quickly.
		
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			He doesn't listen to the therapist.
		
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			So, it's possible that that's why there's a
		
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			delay in treatment.
		
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			So, from a patient's perspective, if you are
		
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			doing everything that the therapist is asking, and
		
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			still there's no improvement, so maybe it's time
		
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			to move on.
		
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			But even then, from a therapist's perspective, even
		
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			then, I will give him this margin that
		
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			this might be the case that the patient
		
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			does everything that the therapist asks him to
		
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			do.
		
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			But the patient is not opening up.
		
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			He has his own stressors, his own issues,
		
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			where the real problem is.
		
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			So, I've seen someone who has openly told
		
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			me that I'm telling you all this, but
		
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			there are some issues that I can't tell
		
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			you.
		
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			So, if someone can't tell me those issues,
		
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			it might be the case that those are
		
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			the real issues.
		
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			And there are more chances that those are
		
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			the real issues.
		
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			So, in such cases, you can go to
		
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			the therapist and do whatever you want.
		
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			So, it is not going to work.
		
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			Fair.
		
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			So, that's on the perspective that you've done
		
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			what the therapist has asked you to do.
		
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			There's a lot of times that you develop
		
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			this tension.
		
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			As two human beings in a professional interaction,
		
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			a gap is created.
		
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			And as a part of a normal therapeutic
		
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			process, gaps do get created, but they should
		
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			become a part of the conversation.
		
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			They should become a part of the discussion
		
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			and tell us why it's happening, where it's
		
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			coming from, what is being done about it.
		
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			If your therapist is hesitant to talk about
		
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			that gap, that tension, the possibility of alternatives,
		
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			that would be a red flag.
		
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			That would be a red flag.
		
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			If you find them to be guarded, not
		
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			only patients are guarded, therapists can also be
		
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			guarded, that because of the failure of a
		
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			therapeutic process, insecurities are developing.
		
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			And they're not openly discussing, okay, why is
		
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			it?
		
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			There can be the client-related reasons for
		
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			why the process is not moving forward, therapist
		
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			-related reasons as to why the process is
		
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			not moving forward, or the problem, the illness,
		
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			or the issues.
		
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			They're of this nature that wherever you take
		
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			them, they're not going to move forward or
		
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			they're not going to be easily resolved.
		
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			So, there can be problems at all three
		
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			places.
		
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			I would recommend that that conversation be, that
		
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			conversation should take place.
		
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			If you have started harboring this thought that
		
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			I am not able to move forward from
		
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			here, I should consider something else, you should
		
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			have that conversation with the person that you
		
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			are, whoever is your therapist.
		
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			And see how they respond.
		
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			See how they respond.
		
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			And there's a lot of people that I've,
		
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			I've had sessions with, that Azam, I'm sure
		
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			you've had sessions with, and it doesn't always
		
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			work, right?
		
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			We don't connect.
		
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			We don't, we're not able to give the
		
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			help that they need.
		
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			Sometimes they require a kind of specialist training
		
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			or help, or specific issues that we're not
		
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			trained in, that we're not, we don't have
		
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			the requisite skill for or the training for.
		
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			So, you know, ideally, you know, I think
		
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			it's a good idea.
		
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			We've, we've hit a plateau.
		
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			There's, it's not moving forward.
		
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			Let's discuss other options with you.
		
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			Let's discuss what it is that we should
		
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			be doing differently.
		
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			And it's part of the process.
		
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			Yusuf, you talked about a red flag.
		
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			A red flag, which I would definitely like
		
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			to advise.
		
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			If a therapist, like, and if a psychiatrist
		
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			is, both of them, if they are interested
		
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			in prescribing, then listening to you, then you
		
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			should move on.
		
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			So if they are not interested in listening,
		
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			that's a red flag.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			So there's also the question here.
		
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			Why not quit therapy altogether?
		
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			I get therapist.
		
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			Is the problem, something that is amenable to
		
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			therapy?
		
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			I don't know what you say to that.
		
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			Yes.
		
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			A very obvious answer, which any psychiatrist will
		
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			give you, that frank psychosis, schizophrenia, and drug
		
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			-induced psychosis, and other diseases, engaging them in
		
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			therapy, from the therapist's point of view, is
		
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			a very big negligence, to keep them away
		
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			from medicine.
		
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			As far as the therapist is concerned, why
		
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			not quit therapy altogether?
		
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			Yes.
		
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			There is a possibility, that there are some
		
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			issues, in which the therapy, can cause more
		
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			damage to the problem.
		
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			I can think of certain issues, where a
		
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			particular type of therapy, can be harmful to
		
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			a particular problem.
		
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			Like, we know that, the obsessive-compulsive disorder,
		
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			for that, the introspective-oriented psychotherapies, the analysis,
		
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			makes it worse.
		
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			So, it happens.
		
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			But, therapy altogether, I cannot think of any
		
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			examples.
		
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			I think it's a good idea, it's a
		
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			good idea to understand, if a particular therapeutic
		
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			process, did not work, changing therapists, definitely recommend
		
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			it.
		
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			Provided that, red flags, openness to alternatives, how
		
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			that conversation is taken.
		
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			Other than that, you might want to consider,
		
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			maybe a different school of thought.
		
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			Maybe a therapeutic school, the modus operandi, or
		
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			the way the therapist operates.
		
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			Therapist-therapist, also varies, therapeutic school, depending on
		
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			the training, the orientation, the process.
		
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			I mean, we have a lot of options.
		
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			You might want to consider, if there's another
		
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			option.
		
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			And even then, if you are convinced, okay,
		
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			therapy is not for me, I've tried one,
		
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			two, three, different schools, all of that, you
		
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			should still have something else, that you're going
		
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			to go for.
		
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			If not this, then what?
		
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			Right?
		
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			Do you want to, I mean, do you
		
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			want to say that my problem has, no
		
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			solution whatsoever?
		
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			That possibility may be there as well.
		
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			But, there must be some management, in some
		
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			speciality, in some way.
		
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			You would want that, you get an opinion
		
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			there, someone tells you from that.
		
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			If you're leaving this, and going towards something
		
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			else, what is that something else?
		
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			And have people with similar problems to yours,
		
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			responded to that something else, should be, questions
		
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			that you ask yourself.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Let's go.
		
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			But, I don't think that we gave a
		
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			satisfactory answer.
		
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			Why should you?
		
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			we can come back to this, in our
		
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			next session.
		
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			In our next session.
		
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			I'm still thinking, that there is an example,
		
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			where, therapy in, in itself, can be harmful.
		
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			And that's why someone should leave therapy?
		
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			I don't think that's what they asked though.
		
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			What they asked was, when it's not working.
		
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			Harmful, the idea is that it's not, giving
		
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			the results, that should be sought.
		
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			Okay, we'll, we'll reconsider this, if anyone has
		
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			anything, to offer us on this, by all
		
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			means, please do.
		
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			And we can always come back to this.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			Signs or changes, for parents to look out
		
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			for, in their kids, to determine, if they
		
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			are being abused, or not.
		
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			So, for this, one thing is that, which
		
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			we did, a few weeks ago, we did
		
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			a full episode, with Dr. Ayesha Minhas.
		
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			You watch that episode, in that, Dr. Ayesha
		
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			Minhas, discussed this in great detail, and she
		
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			has a lot of experience, with such cases.
		
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			Briefly, if we talk briefly, so, if you
		
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			see your child, one, some very visible, psychological
		
00:39:47 --> 00:39:50
			changes, you see in that, that he starts
		
00:39:50 --> 00:39:51
			to be quiet, or he starts to be
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:55
			irritable, he becomes distant, he starts to be
		
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			quiet.
		
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			So these, but, but,
		
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			but, but,
		
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			but, but,
		
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			but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
		
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			but, but, but, but, but, but, but, but,
		
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			but, But what will be important is, to
		
00:41:13 --> 00:41:16
			know, normal sexual development.
		
00:41:17 --> 00:41:21
			A lot of times, parents would underestimate how
		
00:41:21 --> 00:41:25
			much this age should know and normal sexual
		
00:41:25 --> 00:41:29
			curiosity increases with age so they should be
		
00:41:29 --> 00:41:32
			very clearly aware that corresponding to the age
		
00:41:32 --> 00:41:36
			of the child some sexual activities are normal
		
00:41:36 --> 00:41:39
			and they need to be perceived as such
		
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			and those parents should not think like when
		
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			they were this age what did they know
		
00:41:52 --> 00:41:57
			parents should think like what do kids know
		
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			these days because the world has changed a
		
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			lot so I think that's it okay so
		
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			thank you for that question we move right
		
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			along how many questions are left why can't
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:26
			psychologists rebrand themselves as happy doctors they have
		
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			they certainly change our misguided world views and
		
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			bring ease in our lives so I think
		
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			this misguided view should change that therapists or
		
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			counsellors make us happy no they are not
		
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			supposed to make you happy they are only
		
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			supposed to better understand and in some way
		
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			alleviate your suffering or to use that suffering
		
00:43:00 --> 00:43:04
			or that anxiety in some productive ways they
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:11
			are not supposed to but to make you
		
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			happy because this notion I think there can
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18
			be a time when we won't have any
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:24
			tension and its inverse will only be happiness
		
00:43:24 --> 00:43:29
			so we Pakistanis we all know that peace
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:31
			is only in the grave so we have
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:36
			been told I mean that's something as a
		
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			myth and it is a myth and the
		
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			psychological problems that arise because of running after
		
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			it and I think Shiba Ansari is right
		
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			on the mark because they are not drug
		
00:43:52 --> 00:43:58
			dealers that to cause happiness or to discover
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:01
			happiness we are going to them that's perhaps
		
00:44:01 --> 00:44:02
			one of the reasons that they are looking
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05
			to become more and more legitimate drug dealers
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07
			let me give you stuff that will make
		
00:44:07 --> 00:44:09
			you happy it is going to be short
		
00:44:09 --> 00:44:15
			lived or frustration of not being able to
		
00:44:15 --> 00:44:21
			achieve this utopian happiness the depression that will
		
00:44:21 --> 00:44:26
			create problems that is going to compound the
		
00:44:26 --> 00:44:28
			situation then you are going to be depressed
		
00:44:28 --> 00:44:31
			about being depressed the original reason for depression
		
00:44:31 --> 00:44:33
			is in its place then that's compounded it
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:37
			is made worse by depression about depression so
		
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			this is messed up it doesn't mean that
		
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			there should be happiness yes happiness is a
		
00:44:43 --> 00:44:46
			part of your life but this notion that
		
00:44:46 --> 00:44:50
			there can be something that we are always
		
00:44:50 --> 00:44:54
			eating this is not possible this is not
		
00:44:54 --> 00:45:03
			possible at least before your death and regular
		
00:45:03 --> 00:45:08
			audience they have started to read your mind
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:14
			because they are not drug dealers so yeah
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:18
			that's saying something we are getting some conceptions
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:22
			across so this in itself is a misguided
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:25
			world view of course we all are looking
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:28
			for happiness but when it becomes an ultimate
		
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			aim when it becomes a final goal that's
		
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			probably one of the red flags if you
		
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			are looking for therapy if your therapist is
		
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			promising you that kind of happiness then you
		
00:45:41 --> 00:45:46
			know that's something that I read something that
		
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			all the great pieces of literature that throughout
		
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			the world or even the scriptures they do
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:06
			not idealize happiness they idealize satisfaction they idealize
		
00:46:06 --> 00:46:09
			a kind of inner peace they idealize a
		
00:46:09 --> 00:46:14
			kind of living for something they do not
		
00:46:14 --> 00:46:20
			this idealization of happiness 40-50 years 4
		
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			-5 decades exactly I think that's perhaps even
		
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			a misconstrual of Freud they took Freud to
		
00:46:31 --> 00:46:34
			a place where he did not go in
		
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			terms of placing that pleasure on the kind
		
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			of pedestal and then that wild goose chase
		
00:46:42 --> 00:46:47
			of trying to create that scenario and yes
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:53
			there is no other possibility except stimulating your
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:59
			brain directly with drugs and creating that state
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:04
			so it is the past few decades if
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:08
			you look at the past few decades the
		
00:47:08 --> 00:47:12
			movies and literature even now that people are
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:20
			really really goggling over huge fans of the
		
00:47:20 --> 00:47:27
			themes struggle, suffering, tragedy heroism those are the
		
00:47:27 --> 00:47:31
			main themes that people are still inspired by,
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:33
			they are still attracted by, they still find
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:40
			some sort of an aesthetic appeal in that
		
00:47:40 --> 00:48:10
			says something that
		
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			says something success success success
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:24
			economic success success success success success success success
		
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			success success
		
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			success success success success it is always like
		
00:48:57 --> 00:49:07
			this if you
		
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			say so so I think aside from happiness
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:20
			becoming that you know that ideal which it's
		
00:49:20 --> 00:49:24
			a marketing pitch right, success and I think
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:26
			we owe the life coaching industry for this
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:30
			for raising this you know trying to show
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32
			everyone that everyone can be Bill Gates everyone
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:36
			can be Steve Jobs and everyone as many
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38
			people as they are helping there is a
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:41
			huge population that is now being subjected to
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:44
			an inferiority complex on being a bigger chunk
		
00:49:44 --> 00:49:47
			of the population is being subjected to that,
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:51
			what about them so it's real cause for
		
00:49:51 --> 00:50:01
			concern personality theories popularize motivation psychological ideals
		
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			we need to take a step back and
		
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			analyze where are we coming from possibilities consequences
		
00:50:11 --> 00:50:16
			are we really taking them into consideration ideals
		
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			ideals mental health are we willing to take
		
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			that into consideration what's happening we are seeing
		
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			6th, 7th class kids failing exams committing suicide
		
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			these are the consequences of this pursuit of
		
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			success if I'm a failure he was a
		
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			college dropout even then even then you can
		
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			be Steve Jobs okay Azam I think we've
		
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			exhausted our there is one more question specific
		
00:51:10 --> 00:51:14
			question I think we did answer some of
		
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			this before I went to a psychiatrist in
		
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			Pindu who gave me these medications for a
		
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			diagnosis of extreme depression Clomipramine 75mg Bromazepam 3mg
		
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			I've taken them over a year, I've become
		
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			addicted if I stop I get shivers from
		
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			anxiety and fear palpitations, I'm also pregnant what
		
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			do I do generally I would say extreme
		
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			depression is not a diagnosis if you are
		
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			saying this then okay, but if the psychiatrist
		
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			has written it himself then I'm doubting that
		
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			he's a psychiatrist and I'm saying this very
		
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			cautiously because there are famous psychiatrists in Islamabad
		
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			I know all of them so you don't
		
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			know this is coming from Islamabad this can
		
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			be coming from Lahore as well don't try
		
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			to bracket us Islamabad psychiatrists but apart from
		
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			that, generally speaking Benzodiazepine which you are taking
		
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			because of pregnancy as soon as possible you
		
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			should stop taking it Clomipramine which you are
		
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			taking there is no direct evidence that it
		
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			can be harmful so we have to wait
		
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			to stop taking it what are the risks
		
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			it can be stopped or we can continue
		
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			it and stop it after pregnancy because if
		
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			there is depression then child birth can cause
		
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			a recurrence so it is complicated from a
		
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			good psychiatrist who knows extreme depression you should
		
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			meet him and the case is complicated you
		
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			do need to see somebody who would ideally
		
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			try to manage you who can be tapered
		
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			off what will be the alternate how will
		
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			the depressive symptoms be treated how to taper
		
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			off so that the chance of symptoms this
		
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			class of medication should not have been given
		
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			for such a long time why did it
		
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			continue for a year when one of the
		
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			two medications should have been given but why
		
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			was it extended all the way to a
		
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			year if pregnancy was planned then why was
		
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			there no consultation done why was the medication
		
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			not altered at that time there is a
		
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			lot that has happened that does usually happen
		
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			but it shouldn't happen so the best we
		
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			can do is to let people know that
		
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			this is messed up and we need to
		
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			do our practice properly and please tell us
		
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			in the comments where are you getting clomipramine
		
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			from because I really want to know that
		
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			because it is short in the market and
		
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			it is a very good medicine it is
		
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			not for those who have depression I am
		
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			not asking about tell us where to get
		
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			it Azam wants to know where to get
		
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			it you can get it here thank you
		
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			so much for your questions one question that
		
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			was asked that I think we should take
		
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			before we end how reliable and lasting are
		
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			NLP interventions for treating anxiety or depression Azam
		
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			so I don't know about it I know
		
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			that in Pakistan if you want to do
		
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			fraud and if you want to charge people
		
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			excessively and your psychology and psychiatry does not
		
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			have good formal training and you have to
		
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			take a shortcut to becoming you know somebody
		
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			who can treat people through this then NLP
		
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			and hypnosis these are two certifications that you
		
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			will get online whose evidence base is very
		
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			weak very weak but here such people are
		
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			marketed that there is no better treatment than
		
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			this I do know that the people who
		
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			are trained in NLP and hypnosis know how
		
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			much psychology and therapy they know that is
		
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			later they know how to sell themselves and
		
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			they know how to market themselves you know
		
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			in ways that we can't even dream of
		
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			so be very cautious there may be some
		
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			benefit and efficacy in these interventions but for
		
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			now for now whatever we have in front
		
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			of us it doesn't paint a very good
		
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			picture of what these treatments represent or what
		
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			they have done or who the people that's
		
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			just unfortunate the way these things are being
		
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			done okay so I hope that answer feel
		
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			like tagging the master trainer there's a lot
		
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			of master trainers and they'll be coming on
		
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			radio and television and ironically they would even
		
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			have psychiatrists on their panels oh my god
		
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			so it is what it is it is
		
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			what it is good to go most of
		
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			the questions have been responded to to the
		
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			best of what we could manage thank you
		
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			for your questions people and with that I
		
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			think we are ready to sign off okay
		
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			challenging