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Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim al hamdu Lillah wa salatu salam ala rasulillah. He was early he was a
woman who Allah.
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In our last week's Hadar, we had begun to discuss the famous incident of the immigration of the
Muslims to Abyssinia. And we had mentioned that in the fifth year of the debt war, in the month of
Rajab, the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam had allowed the Muslims to immigrate to Abyssinia and
we had mentioned that the reason why Abyssinia was chosen is because they had the freedom to worship
Allah subhanho wa Taala. And we derived a number of benefits and and important morals that we can
derive. And especially for us here in America, there's a lot of wisdom and benefit, with that
parallel of living as a minority in a non Muslim land. Now,
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shortly after the immigration to Abyssinia, the Muslims returned back to Makkah. In fact, so much so
that it is narrated that they came back within three months, the month of show one. So they
immigrated in the month of Rajab, it takes around four or five days to get there. And so Shaban
Rajab, Shaban Ramadan, and then show one and in the month of show while they all returned. Now, why
would they return just after three months? What happened that caused them to change their minds,
after emigrating to Abyssinia and then come back to the very land of persecution, the very land of
torture. This incident is the famous incident that some have scald have called the Satanic Verses.
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And so we need to discuss what exactly was this incident? And why did these Sahaba Why did these 14
or 15 people 11 men and for women's around 15 people? Why did they return back? They returned back
because of one rumor.
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And that rumor was the courage of accepted Islam.
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Now, you can imagine life in this strange land. Any of anybody who's moved even when we move in the
modern world, the most difficult time of moving, the most difficult time is the first week of
actually getting there. When you don't have a house or you don't have, you're not settled down, you
don't have friends, the most difficult time of any movement is basically as soon as you get there,
even in the journey, okay, you're waiting to get to the destination, once you get there. And then
you realize it's such a different place from what you're used to. So it was an extremely difficult
time, even though they weren't persecuted, but just a climatization different language, different
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culture, you can imagine a whole different set of norms. They're not used to it. And so some rumors
spread that they just pounced on. Some rumors spread that they just embraced instantaneously. And
that rumor was the origin of accepted Islam, no matter how wild the rumors sounded, their hearts
were yearning to go back. And they didn't have the connections that we do the modern facilities to
verify. There's no way they're going to send a party there. There's only 15 of them. And the rumor
spreads the coloration of accepted Islam. So they decide, well, if they've accepted Islam call us we
don't need to live here. So they packed their bags, and they come back all the way back. And on the
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way there, they discover that this is in fact, not true. It was a lie, or it was a exaggerated
rumor. To be more precise. It's not a lie. But it is an exaggerated rumor. What is the basis of this
rumor? How did it come about here, we need to now talk about what we what some people have called
the Satanic Verses. Now. Before we begin, we need to understand that the whole controversy comes
over whether this incident is authentic or not. The whole controversy comes over. How do we
understand this incident? So let us talk about the different versions of the story that exist. And
to be simple, even though this is pretty academic and shallow is still to be simple. I'll talk about
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three versions, even though there are more than these, but we'll talk about three versions. version
number one.
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version one is the version that is reported in PSA head body
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and is the version that is obviously the most authentic. And it says in this hadith in Sahih Bukhari
that in the month of Ramadan what the date is not given, but we learned from Urbanus half of the
month is not mentioned in in the Bachman body, but in the month of Ramadan, in the fifth year of the
hijra two months after the Muslims have emigrated. The Prophet system recited Seurat
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No one knows me either. However, the Prophet says and recited, suited and najem, in its entirety
from beginning to end, as soon as the najem is a very powerful tool, a very eloquent surah. And when
he came to the very end of the surah, when he finished the surah, the very last verse in the surah,
basically says, first jeu de la he wibu that prostrate to Allah subhana wa Taala and worship Him.
And so the momentum built up in the surah. And the excitement built up, and the power of the Quran
affected the entire congregation, Muslim and non Muslim, such that when the Prophet says that I'm
said first you do the law, why do the Muslims fell into such and when the Muslims fell into such
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The, the Quraysh were so overwhelmed with emotion, ready to fell into such depth?
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And Muslim and non Muslim for the first time, united together in worshipping Allah. Now they're
worshipping Allah, there's no idol here, right first Judo de la he wobbu Muslim and non Muslim for
the first time, they all united behind the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu it he was sitting, right,
except for one person, the devices and when he lived in Mozilla, he was too arrogant. And he was an
old man. So he picked up some sand. And he put it on his forehead and he said, this is good enough
for me.
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You guys prostrate I just put the sand into my head. Right? This is good enough for me, except for
him. Now that's a side point not related to the story. But the point being that everybody prostrated
behind the Profit System. Now by the time the rumor made its way from Mecca to,
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to avicennia, right. The rumor begins a hand span and it returns back an arm's length. Right? By the
time it reached Abby's senior, the rumor had become what
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they've all accepted Islam they've united behind the Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu it who has sent him
a simple story, right, simple story. And this is the story of Buhari, and I want to really I wish we
had the time to, to really go over all of suta najem but the fact of the matter is that Sugata najem
is such a powerful surah and it is such an eloquent surah. And the last verses, especially they
build up a pitch. They truly build up a pitch. And they there's an element of excitement that's
being built up and verse by verse, and there's so many questions being asked, towards the end, that
even the Horatio according to the version of Al Bukhari, even the chorus were overwhelmed by the
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sheer power of the surah. And just to finish up the surah I want to just recite some of the verses
at the very end. To give you an idea of what this surah is talking about. Allah subhana wa tada
says, Rudy wilhemina shaytaan OG rajeem Bismillah Alhamdulillah
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wa hangy.
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Muna Bhima Fie Sufi mo Moosa. Ibrahima lady was
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002 is
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what they said in
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one side Yo,
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wha wha hoo.
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13 is a
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one.
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On one.
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What's
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up, man?
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Alvin alto law. Jaffe got
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felisha
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charge I
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want to tell Hakuna one.
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this translation, the very last note of the process I'm obviously is resigning from the very
beginning and it builds up even more. So this translation the very last 10 is, Allah says, is not
the listener aware of what is in the book of Moosa and in the Book of Abraham who fulfilled his
engagements, namely, that no bearer of burdens can bear the burden of another, and that every man
will be rewarded or punished for what he has done. Further fruit of his own striving will soon be in
front of everyone to see, then will he be rewarded with the complete reward. And indeed to Allah is
the ultimate goal, for it is a law who makes people laugh, and it is a law who makes people cry. And
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it is a law who makes people die. And it is a law who gives them life. And indeed, it is a law who
created everything in pairs, male and female, from a seed that is lodged in its place. And it is a
law who has promised a second creation. This is the first creation, Allah has promised the second
creation, and it is a law who gives wealth and satisfaction. And it is a law who is the Lord of the
mighty Sirius, the star in the sky, the mighty Sirius, and it is a law who destroyed the ancient
people of God, and the people of the mood. They too, are not around, and before them, even the
people of Norway, for indeed, they were the most unjust and the most insolent of transgressors. And
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it is a law who destroyed the overthrown cities here the scholars say of Sodom and Gomorrah, so that
the ruins have covered them up. Then which of the signs of your Lord will you argue about maybe a
little bigger tomorrow, higher than the year? This is a winner. The Prophet Muhammad says Adam, just
like the wonders of old, Allah has destroyed the audience and more than one, you are not any
different. Allah has destroyed the people of all of these prophets. This prophet is the same vein as
them, and the judgment is ever approaching. coming closer. none but Allah subhanho wa Taala can
reveal its time off, I mean, hasn't had detaljer boon Do you marvel at this recitation, we're told
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Hakuna wallethub cone, and you are laughing and making fun of it and not crying, one semitone. And
you're going around your daily activities, ignoring what is going to happen the Day of Judgment.
First Juli law he wibu rather ignore all of this fall down in prostration to Allah and worship Him.
Now the reason I recited these 10 verses and one did their translation is to show you that imagine
the professors and reciting the entire Surah At least 1520 minutes of beautiful recitation, and it's
a powerful recitation. It really is an emotional surah. That makes people follow along verse by
verse. These are short verses. They're rhetorical questions, and the people's emotions are getting
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higher and higher. And then when the Prophet system falls down, instead of the Muslims fall down,
even the courage fall down. And so version one which is the body version, is the authentic version,
no question about it. And it doesn't need any far fetched tale to explain it. Now we get to version
two and version three, which is where it gets a little bit murky, a little bit dirty. version and
out the version of Bahati, by the way is narrated by a boss and even a boss said the Hadith is in
Bahati, suta najem tfcu Sultan najem, the chapter of suta najem. Even our boss said that the
processes and recited sort of the najem and he prostrated and all of the Muslims and the Muslims and
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even the jinn and the frustrated with him.
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Everybody who heard the surah couldn't help be overwhelmed, even the jinn frustrated with him. And
he said, except for one man and this is unbelievable. mohila he took sand and he put it on his hand
head and he said, this is sufficient for me. In another version, it is omega had been hot off
basically one of the two really strong or strong enemies. They were arrogant and they didn't
prostrate. That's just a detail not really relevant to the student. Now, this is version one, it is
the authentic version. There is no mention of shavon there's no need to mention shaytaan we now get
to the disputed versions, version two and version three.
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version two and version three revolve around,
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rewired, or reports that are not found in the famous books of Hadith. They're not found in the six
books, they're not found in Muslim mode, they're not even found an event has happened has been a
sham, which are the standard sources of Tafseer. Rather, they are found in the more obscure works.
And the larger collections, the encyclopedias, the tertiary works, they're found usually in the
books that collect everything, such as a property stuff cod stuff sealed, we need to understand one
thing. Nobody did not intend to write a summarized of sealed for the masses. He wanted to write an
encyclopedia for the scholars. And he collected everything that he found. And he mentioned this in
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the beginning of his famous book, he says, I'm going to mention everything that I hear. I don't care
if it's authentic or not. My job is just to report. So poverty is reporting doesn't mean anything
he's just collecting. It's just like any unfiltered news sources just narrate everything. Right.
Authority is not buhari, buhari is a critical collector property is saying I'm not a critical
collector. I'm just collecting everything. And so these reports are found in poverty in more obscure
book books that are not standard books such as this as Baba Newson and others. And it mentions a
story involving shape one involving a beliefs and
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because it involves at least
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a Western researcher, one of the first researchers of this century to specialize in Islam they were
called orientalist. His name was Sir William Moore, your Sir William Moyer and he died 1905 he was
the one who for the first time said, this is something we'll call it this Satanic Verses. The name
Satanic Verses is not found in the Quran and Sunnah. It's not found even in these weak narrations.
It's found or it's coined by a Western researcher Sir William Moyer. Sir William Murray is a
Presbyterian minister, who specialized in Islam and he became one of the professors of Islam in
Scotland. And he's a very famous Oriental, this is 100 years ago, 100 years ago, and he's written a
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very big book about the sea light in English. And it was one of the first books of Sierra in the
English language from a modern perspective 100 years ago, and so he labeled the Chapter The Satanic
Verses. So the term Satanic Verses comes from William we're the Islamic sources that do mention it.
They call it this subtle Iranian, and Iranian is the name of a bird. I tried to find out the
equivalent modern Arab linguists have different what is the English equivalent of the bird? Is it
the Heron? Is it the Pelican? Is it the crane? Some people have said it's a pelican song said it is
a crane. But it is a bird with a long neck. And some have said it is a hearin h er o n and others
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have said it is a pelican but it is a bird with a long neck. So in Islamic sources, this is called
the story of this bird, the subtle aurania Why will understand now, what is this story? So now let's
talk about the two versions of the story. In essence, they're the same, but there's one crucial
difference. And we'll explain this difference. So let's get on to
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version two of why the
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obvious why the Abyssinian Muslims, why the chorus returned or why the Muslims emigrated and then
returned version two, remember version one is Bahati, right, that's clear cut. And it's definitely
authentic. No question about that. version two and three are adding details are not found in body.
So we need to now discuss them what is version two, version two is reported by authority in his
tafsir and it goes back to urbanest zubayr. The famous tayberry is not as a hobby and this is the
main weakness that no one ever saw the Profit System and also was not narrating from the process of
them. So there's a missing link right. And this is one of the biggest weaknesses right now. Are One
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is obeyed said that when suta Naja was being recited the pay attention to this in the first page of
suta najem. Allah subhana wa tada says, I'll give you the number. Right now I am number 19 and 20
najem 19 and 24. A to malata when the loser woman, not a 30 Turtle O'Hara, Have you not seen a Latin
a loser? And the third of them may not? Have you not seen a Latin a loser and the third of them, but
not what are these three we these are the three, the three Gods the three idols right now in the
Quran, verse 17, Have you not seen verse 19? Have you not seen a Latin erza first?
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Verse 20, and men, not the third of them. Verse 21. Are you going to get the females and you will
give him the males? Remember the Arabs look down at women, right? So the Allies telling them so you
give him what you discard. You're going to kill girls, and yet you want your Lord to have daughters?
tilka in pismo
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Luiza, what an unfair sharing, this is what the Quran says in front of us now, what is the story you
need to pay attention a little bit of academic things here. So verse 19, verse 20, have you seen a
lot and erza and the third of the minute or other weapon is obey said after verse number 20
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shavon cried out
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and he added two verses that were not in the Quran. And these verses were heard by the mushy raccoon
but not by the Muslim on
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shaytaan cried out in his own voice in his own tongue, and he added two verses. Have you seen a
Latin Rosa and the third of them manette this is an operon then he added tilcon Veronica Luda,
inertia tahuna latourell Tada, Ronnie, this is where we get this from. These idols are the mighty
pelicans are cranes laranja controla. These are the high and mighty pelicans. Beautiful pelicans,
right? Well in the shefa tahuna latuda, and their requests will be granted.
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Now this is the first time that the idols were being praised, apparently. Right, the idols are being
praised, that these idols are beautiful birds, and their intercession will be accepted, you should
worship them. And so Aruba says, when the wish record heard these verses, they thought
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the Prophet Mohammed says and has compromised. Finally, he's come to a middle ground.
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He's willing to accept our gods. And did they have a problem accepting Allah?
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Did they have no, they had no problem accepting a lot, right? Because they believed in Allah. But
their problem was you rejecting our gods, right? And so they said, according to this version two,
they said, the prophet Mohammed Salim has agreed to accept our gods. And so when he finished the
surah, and the he prostrated, they basically said, we're all in agreement. Now we don't mind
worshiping along with you. Do you see version two now? Right? This is version two. Now, why are the
gods called aurania? Rania, because some, again, this is interpretation.
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Is that just like the beautiful birds with long necks are going up to a lot. So these are idols that
are going to take you up to Allah? This is how it is interpreted? So this is version number, what
version are we talking about? No, version number two, version number two. Now, version number three.
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And yet other narrations, and these are found in awadhi, and other sources. So we have to be very
clear here. And our religion tells us to be academic. The Satanic Verses story is not concocted by
non Muslims, it's found in some of our sources have to be very clear here. Right. And by the way, a
lot of you are confused Salman Rushdie, his book, of course, it's named after this incident. But
it's a whole work of fiction. But the point of the book is that, and this is why this is such a
thing that the non Muslims jumped on. Apparently, the prophet system could not tell the difference
between Jubilee and shavonne. Or at least he's reciting verses now from the perspective of non
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Muslims. If the story is true, what would this mean that the Koran is obviously being changed per
whim? And one day he the Prophet says, No, I'm just saying what they say. So that we understand as
Muslims, so don't quote me on this stuff, Allah, this is good for today. Right? I'm just saying what
they say. So the Prophet says, I'm just saying what they say, tried to change his tactic, and said,
let's see if this is going to work. And he decided to change from to a tissue.
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And so he said, hey, let's let's worship all the gods together. But then there was a backlash from
the Muslims. And so he said, Oh, no, these weren't verses that I said, these were verses shaped on
set.
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Hence, Satanic Verses. Right. So from the perspective of non Muslims, this story clearly proves to
them that the Prophet systems I will do better inventing the Quran, that's what they say. Right? And
so he's just changing his theology one day to the next, as any leader as any politician does, he
sings the tune of the people, right? One day will say this one, they'll say that, so he's, according
to them, changing his tune, to get the people to come to him, right. And so this is why this story
is a very important story that we talk about academically and I have to say clearly, this story is
not fabricated by non Muslims is found in our sources. Right? And so they jump on it and they then
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make
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A very big deal out of it. And this is something that we need to discuss academic. So this is
version number two. version number three is even worse than the second one.
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And version two shape on recites out and the people here correct. version three is even worse. In
version three.
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The Prophet Mohammed so seldom hears chiffons recitation and thinks it is Djibouti and reciting to
him.
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And he then when his own tongue recites
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for a two letter word, there is a woman at the theater O'Hara tickle Veronica, the ruler of the
hoonah. Little Tasha, do you see the difference between two and three now? Right. And this is of
course, even worse, because we are now saying we're those people who say this or saying that the
process and couldn't tell the difference between Jubilee and and,
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and shavonne. And this is the premise of Salman Rushdie his book
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that he begins the whole story with that it's a fiction fictional book. But this is the premise. And
he called the book Satanic Verses, and then that caused the whole fear that's not relevant to our
discussion, the book and what happened. That's a different discussion. We're interested in the
actual story as well. Now once again, we have to be academically true here. This is a version that
is found in early Islamic Arabic sources. It's not something that I looked up myself to be 100% sure
that this is not something they're inventing, it's something that is found. Some early books do
mention it. So we have now three versions of the story. The first version, so I have Buhari, and
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this is the version that is put in the six books and muslimah McMahon. In other words, from our
perspective, basically the most authentic The New York Times or whatever, the most authentic
sources, they have this version, then you get lower and lower in your authenticity. And then you
have some details that are very strange. In version two, the details say that shavon screamed out,
and the moose raccoon herd and the Muslims didn't hear.
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Right. And so the Muslims didn't understand why the Quran frustrated.
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And they just thought that the power of the pseudo was that in the third version, which is the most
difficult for us to swallow, and the third version shavon pretends to be basically, poo
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shiburin and when you believe is reciting the Quran, shavon, frozen two verses, and the Prophet
system could not tell the difference. And so the prophet SAW said and recited those two verses in
the middle.
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And then, when the kurush prostrated, according to these reports, gibreel came back to him and said,
What did you recite? And so the process and recited with those two verses, and jubilees said, I
never recited these two verses to you.
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I didn't come with these two verses. And the Prophet system became very depressed and very hurt that
he thought that he was inventing this, and then Allah revealed that this is another version of the
suta other version of the incident. Allah revealed surah Hajj verse 52, so the Hajj verse 52 so the
Hajj verse 52 What is it say it's a very important verse. And according to this interpretation, it
is linked to the Satanic Verses. So story so the Hajj verse 52 says, women are seldom in public a
mirror suelen will ever be in India in that manner.
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shaytaan ofii Omnia t finance a whole lot America Shantanu familia chemo la iottie he will la hora
de mon hacking that never did. We send before you a prophet or a messenger except that when he that
manner, when he now here's what does the man mean?
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For now, let us just say it means to recite, even though there's another interpretation. One
interpreter says when he recites uncrushable houfy Omnia t shape on add something to his recitation,
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and then a lot abrogates the shape tonic recitation, and a lot of firms his own if your chemo IoT,
for indeed a lot is all knowledgeable in a lot is all wise. So that the one that shaytaan said or
the thing that shavon said will become a fitna for those who have a weak heart and for those who
have a sorry a disease in their hearts, and for those who have a hard heart koscielny hollow bone,
right so she phonics revelations or she atonic verses will become a fitna a test for those who have
a disease in their hearts. Now, that's incidental hedge. It's in there. So according to this version
shavon actually succeeds in
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In deceiving the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and the Prophet system recites
Satanic Verses. And Allah then corrects the Satanic Verses, and the proper recitation is revealed.
And therefore the orange who initially said, Okay, let's all join hands, they say no, we're not
going to join hands. And so this reaches the Muslims of Abyssinia and then they return. Now, let us
spend a little bit of time academic study. Let's look at these three reports. There is no question
that the first report is authentic, it is in body the issue comes Of course, those who follow the
second or third opinion don't find a contradiction body and this because the gist of the story body
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has an outline, he recited to the najem everybody prostrated version two and three can accept this
outline. Correct. Right. So Biharis version doesn't contradict version two and three. Therefore,
this is the problem. We don't need two and three, but body's version doesn't contradict. So those
who accept to and those who accept three, they accept Buhari as well, and they say hello as Buhari
is also authentic. Now, what do we do with all of these, the first thing we do as lay people, as lay
people, let us see what the scholars say.
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Sadly, the scholars did not all agree.
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Usually scholars agree about many things, but sometimes they don't all agree. And that's why it
becomes a little bit more difficult. Right? So we have, for example, a good group of scholars who
rejected version two and three, and they stuck with version one hamdulillah. And these were big
names. People like even cathedra, the most famous scholar of Tafseer, right, people like alcoholics,
EOD, who's a specialist in serum. People like for Christina Razi, people in our times, like she has
a little Bonnie who's one of the greatest scholars of hadith of our times, he passed away 5689 years
ago, 10 years ago, she was one of the Time flies, she has, like Bonnie passed away. But he was the
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greatest scholar alive in our times, he wrote an entire booklet about this story, just destroy, he
wrote a booklet on it. And he went over every single report wherever it's found. And he shows in
academic detail that every one is weak, everyone is weak. And so we have a lot of very famous people
saying versions two and three, we cross them out. version one is enough.
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One of the famous scholars of the past, Mohammed igneous hakobyan Jose Maria zema, is a great
scholar of Hadith, he died 311. And he was one of the few people who wrote a book, there's for
people who also hate books it a little bit of a tangent here, Buhari Muslim, had been embedded in
hoceima, for people wrote sohei books, because he was one of them. And so even Jose was one of these
great scholars of Haiti, he was asked about this story, the story of shaitaan, inspiring the
process, and he said, this is a fabrication that the enemies of Islam did to try to destroy Islam.
This is going back 311 Digital, from the very beginning, some people are saying, this is a
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fabrication that the enemies of Islam have done to try to destroy it. Okay, so this is one group of
scholars How I wish that we could have restricted ourselves to them. Unfortunately, there are
scholars who do follow the other versions of the story as well. And they are big names. And because
of this, we have to be academically fair, our religion tells us to not hide the truth. Our religion
tells us to be frank and, and and honest, our religion tells us to be academically inclined, so we
need to talk about this academically.
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Interesting point here, in 1966, there was an entire worldwide conference in Cairo over the story,
the whole conference was over this story, to discuss it academically and to find out and all the
people presented papers, and they talked about discussed it 40 years ago, and a lot of major
scholars were present there. And the conclusion of the conference was that the story is fabricated.
The story is not true. So we can say that the bulk of the scholars of our times want to cross out
number two and three, and they say there's no need for it. And this is true to say this, and if you
read almost any modern book of Syrah from chefs a fair amount of work 40 to any of the famous books,
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you will find that this story is either not mentioned or it will mention it as a fabrication. Okay,
as we said, academically speaking, we have to be honest here we have to say, well, that's not the
only position even within Sunni Islam. Some scholars have accepted version two, and some scholars
have even accepted version three.
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And had they been small names we could have ignored them but they're all big names.
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version two, which says that it believes said out loud and the process had no
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idea. Even this is easier to swallow, right? Because, I mean, if if the processor didn't do
anything, well, then how can you blame him? Right? You know, there's no, there's no deception, a
belief simply used his own tongue, and he threw it upon the people, right? This version is accepted
by a lot of scholars. Most importantly amongst them, even Hagit, Alaska nanny have been hired as a
great scholar of Hadith. He's the greatest scholar Specialists of Sai Bahati, he accepts this
version. And his point is that, look, it's true that every individual version of the story is not
reported with an authentic chain. But when you put all of them together, each week chain kind of
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sort of gives supporting evidence and it becomes acceptable. Now, this leads us to a little bit of a
one minute tangent in the sciences of Hadith when you have a lot of weak individual chains, but it's
of the same incident or the same Hadeeth, the scholars have had to then put these weak chains
together, and they say, okay, little bit of weakness and chain x a little bit of weakness and chain,
why put together it means that the Hadith is authentic. And this is a true principle. And even Ajit
applied it to this incident, he said, there's five or six reports, all of them are weak, he says
this, I read this myself, all of them are weak, but put together, it shows that there's some basis
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to the story. So even hazard accepts version two. Now, by the way, shadowbanned, in his criticism of
the story, he says, what have been hedger says is true, that week reports put together become
authentic, but not every single time there's a science behind it. And in this case, and then he goes
into academic detail. In this case, you cannot apply the rule. Now that's a little bit advanced for
this class, but for this lecture, but you get the point that he agrees with the rule, two or three
weak traditions become authentic. But then he says this rule has exceptions, if this is not met, if
this is not met, and then he applies those exceptions. And that's the whole purpose of the book,
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that he has the booklet, it's to show that you cannot take these weak traditions in this case, and
then put them together. And here that's a little bit of an academic discussion. Now. That's version
number two.
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version number three, had it been supported by anybody else I would have left it unfortunately, or
whatever we had. This is the fact of the matter. It is supported by one of the greatest scholars of
Islam that Islam has ever seen. And it is someone whom I admire immensely. And that is what Islam
had been Tamia Rahim Mahalo to Allah.
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They've been Tamia supported version three.
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And had been Tamia writes about this in a number of his books, and hence the series. And
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even Tamia says that not only do all of the reports add up and make it authentic, but the verse of
surah, Hajj is crystal clear.
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The verse of surah, Hajj is crystal clear. That it's clearly says that Yasuda was not only you every
single profit before you, Rama or send them in public and the Rasulullah and a billion in that
manner. Now, some of you who understand Arabic will say doesn't demand I mean, to wish, right now,
here is where we get a little bit more technical. That the word Amanda actually originally it didn't
mean to recite, and there are many poems in pre Islamic, the more I look at others, they have the
word demanda, to mean to recite. And that's why many even of the Sahaba even Abbas himself said
among the humans to recite right later on one of the meanings of the one that means to wish. So even
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this becomes now another dimension of complexity, right? And now you're getting a little bit I'm
opening up a little bit of a window of Islamic academics, it is a very complex science. So this ayah
can also be interpreted two ways in either termina interpretation one, except that when he recites
Takashi upon woofie Omni Yeti, he shavon produces something and throws it into his recitation.
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financer hula hoop shavon Allah will abrogate what shaytaan said, some chemo Allahu iottie then
Allah will make his ayat firm and clear. will love Why demon Hakeem. So that Leah jellema Lucretia
fit Natalie lilla interview obey model so that Allah will cause this to be a test for those whose
hearts have a disease. And for those koscielny Hulu boom, their hearts are hard, this shape onic
recitation will become a test for them. So even taymiyah says the verses very clear. And this is
what happened with sudut. And
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now, the other school or the other interpretation says this verse
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has nothing to do with sort of the najem and the Satanic Verses. Rather it's a general verse take it
at face value, that no prophet or messenger has wishes to man that he would become wishes, except
that shape on tries to tamper with his intentions make you insincere. Make you think of something
else, and allow we'll get rid of what shaytan says, And Allah will affirm his idea. So they
understand surah Hajj, verse 52, in a whole different tension, ie It has nothing to do with sort of
the najem It has nothing to do with Satanic Verses you understand this point right? Now even
taymiyah responds to them and says, but then how do you understand the verse after this, Leah Jana,
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mocha Shantanu fitna to Lilith enough equilibrium muddled, that whatever the shaitaan has said, will
become a fitna, for those whose hearts have a disease. This means that when Tamia says that they
have heard something, it's not internal in the mind of the Prophet. This means that they've heard
something, and it is a fit enough for them. Now,
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there's another dimension here, I have to go into more dimensions here, because this is the whole
purpose. And this is a theological dimension.
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The majority of those who said version two and three cannot happen. And especially version three.
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They said, We don't care, what the Wyatt what the version say, we cannot accept this as theology as
Al Qaeda. Why? Because you're claiming that shavon and and, and, and, and, and jabril. Right, could
pretend to be each other, that the Prophet system couldn't tell the difference. That and this is the
key point now. The revelation itself has the possibility possibility to be corrupted and tampered,
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the integrity of the worry becomes
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compromised. So as one of them says the famous quote of our times, I don't care if the snaps are
like the sun, the brightest, the sun, can chumps, I'm not going to accept this story. This is a
scholar of our times writing this right. And a lot of the previous scholars as well, they said some
similar things is that we can call the elders one of them will call their elders. He has a one of
the best books of Sierra a Shiva, Coco Mustafa, a Shiva, the vocal Mustafa, that which causes the
heart to be cured by talking about the rights of the Prophet system. It's a two volume book. And
it's all about Sierra and prophet speciality and miracles. And he says, How can any Muslim believe
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in the story basically, right? How can anyone who loves resources and believe in the story, so he
uses an emotional argument, right? And he says, How can anybody except that the processing could
basically slip into this and take shape on why he or she advance recitation?
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And so they say, because the prophets can never commit mistakes? Because they are what's the Arabic
word mark.
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This is a theological concept, because they are mousumi mosuo means they cannot commit mistakes. We
cannot accept that this incident occurred
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in hedger basically says, look, Virgin two doesn't compromise the profit systems. Very smart. You
understand this point? Do you understand this point, everybody, version two, in which shape on
recite without the prophecies that I'm hearing doesn't compromise his asthma. So he says, Therefore,
will neglect version three, get rid of that one? And we'll accept version two? Because I'm not
willing to compromise the profit systems. asthma. You guys following this point? Right. So even
hazard accepts version two, because it has nothing to do with the profit systems. So it's not his
fault. shaytaan recited, okay. We can accept that. And if you are to accept that it's not that big
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of a deal, because it shavon resigning. Now, even taymiyah said, Did you even tell me not believe in
a smile? Of course he did. Every Muslim, every Sunni Muslim, I should say because they are more
interested. I didn't agree with this. Every Sunni Muslim says that the prophet of Islam is Muslim.
No Muslim, Sunni Muslim says otherwise. So then how did he maintain me understand this? He said, his
definition of Esma is basically different than that of the other will Sunni Muslims. And this is now
a theological controversy.
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Can the prophets commit sins and mistakes or not?
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According to urban Tamia,
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the prophets cannot commit major mistakes and sins number one, number two, they cannot commit
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fraud or lewd mistake since right syndrome
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Different types and Fela. haish means vulgar sins, no prophet can commit vulgarity. Number three,
they cannot lie ever.
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Lying is simply not possible for the prophets. But even taymiyah says they can make judgmental
errors.
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judgmental errors is not a sin is an error in what you want to do. And he then quotes many examples
from this era. The number one example is what Who can tell me
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prisoners of the Battle of
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the prisoners Bella, but the prisoners of the battle the better. The number one example Clearly, the
process of decided to do something and Allah revealed in the Quran that maca didn't maybe it's not
befitting for the Prophet and the akula who Esra that he takes prisoners of war had to fill out. And
so Allah subhanho wa Taala basically let it go. But he wasn't. He said, This isn't the best decision
you made. So this is a judgmental error has nothing to do with a mistake. But there have been Tamia
says something which, of course, it sounds very bad. But if you think about it, it's actually very
easy to swallow and true. The prophets can commit minor sins, but two things. Number one, they do
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not persist in the sin. Number two, they repent immediately. And then of course, it gives the number
one example that nobody can argue with and that is, why are we here on earth?
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Our father automatically said I'm committed to sin, did he not to commit to sin? I mean, Allah says
in the Koran that whilst
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Adam was an MP but it is navies are also Muslim. by unanimous consensus, nibi and rosewood are all
mouse who mean there there have a category above us. And so Adam was told not to eat and he ate.
Also even taymiyah quotes certain fat diverse to Neil Farah like Allahu Mata caught them in zombie
combat.
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What does this verse translate as? So that Allah can can do what? Forgive? So clearly, ALLAH is
forgiving. matter. akadama means them big
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event, a misconception of our Prophet Mohammed so seldom, is that he is the best human. But he's a
human.
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And he can commit minor mistakes, minor errors, like all the profits, but he cannot persist in them.
And he will repent immediately. And then he says, and in this repentance is the perfection, that
Allah made the prophets, true role models for us. Because if he had made them like angels, how would
they be role models? So even Tamia actually has a very interesting point here. Right? That they are
human, they're not superhuman, but their humanity is as perfect as possible. Okay. Now, when it
comes to this issue of the quote, unquote, Satanic Verses, as I said, this name is not found in
Islamic sources, but just to understand it, we can call the episode on it. But the story this story,
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even taymiyah says that this does not show at all that the way he has been corrupted, rather, it
shows it has been protected, and that the Profit System is the most truthful of all those who speak
the truth. Why? Because of the very fact that he came clean with the story. And that he said to
everybody, this story that would actually impugn him and make him look bad, but he still said the
truth, you guys following this point here, right? And then he quotes the famous hadith of Arusha,
Bahati that he says, we're going to talk about this Sharla, many, many months from now, when we get
to that story.
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Let me just say as a footnote, there are two stories that are highly sensitive in this era, and
highly controversial and highly emotional and highly problematic. keep on saying so many things, two
stories in particular. And both of them require us to be calm, collect academic, the first of these
is this Satanic Verses. And the second is the story of Xena.
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I will get to the story of Xena when we get to it and that's a very, has a very difficult story.
Very difficult story. And again, the non Muslims have a field trip with it. And we need to talk
about it academically but that's easier to resolve that is easier to resolve. Nonetheless, it is it
has its own problematic issues. Now, story of Xena will talk about when we talk about it, but Allah
revealed in the Quran verses about Xena and about who was married to Zaid. right because they
they've been had it the very one whom the processes have adopted. Right. They've been Mohammed bin
Zayed have been How did that and so zaidan Xena were married
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And then eventually,
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they were having a lot of problems and then eventually, Allah revealed in the Koran that Zainab is
your wife after the divorce. So before the divorce zaidan Zaid came to the process of them wanting
to divorce signup.
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Zaid came to the process of wanting to divorce Dana. Now the Koran says that, basically you advised
him not to divorce her, and you were scared of the people.
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This isn't the Quran, what Tasha, NASA? Well, la hacohen Tasha, and you should have been scared of
Allah, we understand that first of all, as for what it applies to, we'll get to that I don't want to
start that story right now. Because that's a whole different tangent. We'll get to there someday
inshallah. inshallah. And we will talk about it fully academically, because I personally don't
believe in hiding the truth. And I think that if we, especially if we were living, maybe in a Muslim
country, even then I would say, Hello, us, let's just ignore these tails, and then tell you the easy
stuff. But Subhanallah when a non Muslims gonna come and say, Look, this is what your book says. And
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you don't know what it says, and you have no idea. Well, I have met Muslims, who, when they are told
of this story, the way that it is found in non Muslim books, they get ideas of how to be lousy,
possible, right? They have no clue. And so we're living in an environment where our religion is
being attacked. And the best mechanism to defend ourselves is to be armed with knowledge. Ignorance
is not bliss. Knowledge is power. And we need to embrace these stories and say them and then
critique them. So when we get there, I'll talk about the difficult issues and they are difficult
issues. For now. Let's just take the first at face value. You were scared of the people you should
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have been scared of Allah that's in the Quran correct. Isha says this has additives in it. If the
processor system had hidden anything from the origin, he would have hidden this verse, but he still
recited it to the people. And to this day, it is in the Quran. He was following this point, right?
He didn't have to tell us the verse meaning meaning he could have hidden it, of course Allah would
have exposed to but he could have hidden it. Right? He could nobody knows Do you believe is coming
and telling you anything except if he tells us correct. Still, he recited all of these verses to us.
And to this day, we have suited up what Asha NASA will allow quantum phenomena Jose domainhost.
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Oran, someone Janaka says in the Quran, Allah is not embarrassed of the truth. And so once it has
finished his divorce of her, you have been married to her Zoho Janaka and therefore this is the only
new guy that didn't require any witnesses and he what he Allah has done the nikka handle on we
recite the marriage contract every day we we slaughter every time this is revealed. This is the
marriage contract without any * without any worry without any metal, anything. Allah says
though, what Janaka What else do you need to say? Right? And so when the divorce was finished, and
there it was finished, Xena became a wife that process instantaneously without any ceremony being
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done. Okay? Now you understand all Muslims have a field trip. We'll talk about that then. But for
now.
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The point is, Isha says, If the Prophet system wanted to hide something, he would have hidden
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this verse, but he didn't hide it in Tamia says, Why can't we apply the same thing to
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to this story?
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that, yes, this is exactly what happened. That Allah allowed, because everything happens by the will
of Allah, Allah allowed the shaytaan to get in two verses. And then a law abrogated what Chitwan
said, and a lot perfected his verses, and the Prophet system came clean and said everything. And so
my point being here, if you really think about it, all three versions, they have their they have
their possibilities, right? And there are major scholars on all three on all three sides of this
equation now.
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What is my opinion about this and sofala? Who am I to compete with these great great scholars, but
nonetheless, I need to give you some as a minor student of knowledge and I do not compete at all
with the great people we have mentioned.
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We have even Kathy we have even hedger, we haven't been Tamia and SubhanAllah. All three are major
giants in our religion. At the same time, we're allowed to give our own opinions on this issue. And
Allah xojo knows the truth. In my humble opinion. version one is the one that we need. And we don't
need version two and three, and we can cross them out for the following seven reasons for the
following seven reasons.
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Reason are number one, number one.
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It is true to say that claiming that shavon can answer
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by the prophet system, even though even Timmy explained it away, and there is a way to explain it
away like he did, still it does seem to interfere with the process of why.
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And Eliza gel has guaranteed the process of why. And Allah azzawajal says, t hillbrow to roumania
day while I'm unhealthy and Allah says internationalism, Enola hola Have you home? And Allah says
when loaded in zero millimeters it will be a mean. In other words, so many verses talking about the
purity of revelation that no one can falsify the revelation. Now if you've been telling me I had
been in front of me, he would say, but a lot, but the revelation was not falsified. And we know what
is true from what is false. You understand his reputation, right? Still, my heart inclines towards
the fact the purity of revelation should not be compromised. Number two.
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There is no authentic version of the Atlantic incident at all.
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Every single incident that is reported in poverty and inequality is weak, every one of them and none
of them is an unbroken chain back to the Prophet Mohammed says I'm none of them. The strongest one
other Bach, Bach. And I came across this in one of the ancient theological texts of a dad to me,
when he was talking about his opponent, he goes disappointed. All they can do is give buck buck like
the buck buck. And I was like, wow, is it this he actually understand this? Because most Arabs have
no idea what Bach Bach is now, but this is now we know what buck buck is very well. So I haven't
memorized his buck, buck. musei llamas, but people have attempted to fabricate the Quran.
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The the the the point is, they've never succeeded in that. Right. That's the point. So it doesn't go
against this this thing. Any question from the sisters in the back?
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a timeline question. Yes, go ahead.
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And particularly this incident, when he is resigning, that means it is already. Yes. So how can
there be additional delays because he already revealed something is fixed.
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So when
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he's on the pause for two minutes, so according to version number three,
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shavon added, while Julian was paused, shaytaan added something. And the Prophet system thought it
was God. This is version three.
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That's that's all that we know.
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Another timeline question. Yes.
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very perceptive question.
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The question is, when was sort of hedge verse 52 revealed surah Hajj overall, most scholars say was
revealed during the hijra, was the only revelation that occurred during the hijra. However, that
doesn't mean much, because we don't have a chronology for every ayah of the Quran. And a lot of
times we have the bulk of a suitor revealed one place, but one or two is somewhere else, and then
they're put in there. Right. And so even if we know now, some people have tried to do this as well,
but to say that, sir, that hedge was generally revealed later on. But in response, it can be said,
okay, maybe the bulk was revealed later on. But this idea itself, there's nothing incorrect to say
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it might have been revealed earlier, because for most of the verses of the Quran, we don't have a
specific timeline of when they were revealed. Okay. Any question for the sisters have don't see any
hands from the sisters, brother going into backward? Your next door? I saw he was Yes.
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It was interesting for me not to hear from the arguments against version two, version three, just
from a simple logic, that
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he understood that he
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those words is going against everything that he understands.
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I just imagine that happening just like
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this doesn't make no sense, given what I'm here to, to bring in.
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that argument was not brought. So the question is a very good one. And for those who didn't hear it,
is that why? Somebody could say, why didn't the process on himself if versions two and three are
authentic? Why didn't he himself red light started going off and saying, What's wrong with this? Of
course, those who follow version one story will say that's the whole point. Right? And they will say
he didn't because it didn't happen. You understand this point, right? Those who follow versions two
and three, of course, version two as well doesn't raise that issue.
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version two, you don't you didn't he didn't hear it. It's only version three that raises this issue.
And where there's a will there's a way to interpret it. And so what they would say is, this is his
complete submission that whatever Allah subhana wa tada is saying, it will be accepted. And he's not
going to question if a lot of xojo is saying that you may go through these beings to reach me, then
that is what he is saying, because his job is to give the bailout and not to question that is going
to be the response. I don't agree with version three Arsalan. So I would agree with you and say it
doesn't.
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There's something for women who say something is just not right. You have a question? Go ahead.
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Oh, no, no, no, no. The question is, is anybody claimed that these two verses are part of the Quran,
only non Muslims claim this, nobody because even the language, even though it doesn't fit the style
of the product, even the language is
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important for a lot of academic points.
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Two, he raised about the level of quote unquote, violence.
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In this sense, this does not seem like a minor mistake. This is a revolutionary
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decision. That's the third point I was gonna bring.
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You brought in another point of how the ways process for example, one of the points you bring in is
the way he is not just processed as it is being revealed. But sometimes it is like a DNA we have in
medicine, it's called
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the gene that
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is Allah.
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Okay, you're asking three questions. I need to go one by one too many is like,
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Oh, no, these are three different points. So let's go one by one. What was your first round
completely forgot?
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The question is, how much power? How much power to shape on have
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as much as you give him as much as you give him? What indicator? Shivani Canada right
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now,
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he's now
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not but that's his shape on this is a police himself doing it. You're getting confused. That's his
personal shape on every one of us has occurred in the Profit System, Allah has allowed his planning
to become Muslim, in this shape ironic, versus that's a police doing the job, the big shape on a
police doing this. So that is not a Muslim, maybe this is not a Muslim.
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The second question, the third question is,
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it seems
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but it seems from what you said.
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So for those who accept version three, they would have to modify for versions one and two is not a
problem. For those who accept version three even taymiyah clearly says this, that the wahi was not
tampered with. That's the whole point that a lot did make his verses clear. Are we confused about
what the Quran is? No. And that's the point. So why he was not tampered with. An attempt at
tempering was made. And Allah rebuffed the attempt. That 17 years point.
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It was made, but it was rebuffed. And so there is no confusion in our times. Right?
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sisters, no questions at all. I'm wondering, usually you have questions, huh? They're scared of the
story.
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Yes, go ahead. You're fine.
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How would you respond that how does a profit a profit share between A
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and somebody trying to learn from this incident now from a sense of writing for where he was
inspired to offer his son for sacrifice? How does he know? Is that true? or
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false? So do you understand this is why the non Muslims love this story?
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That's exactly why they love the story. That there's one if you're you. The question is, how do you
defend that the process of any profit, not just Islam can differentiate between the way from Allah
and between shaitaan. Now, for those who don't believe in our profit or any profit, how do they
explain Islam one of two things, either are the profits or outright liars, in which case this story
becomes a political maneuver, right that he's trying to appease as a politician. Then he comes back,
or rosabella he's diluted and he's hearing voices and he doesn't know who they're from.
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Either it's an internal or it could be, you know, once upon a time, Christian missionaries literally
thought that our will we will and to this day pat robertson brothers they say is inspired by the
devil, he did get an inspiration he was a beloved, that's what they say. Right. And so again, this
is the story that they jumped on. Now we need to be academic here and say even if they
misinterpreted there is a correct interpretation that had been had should have been teammate can
also get out we need to be clear here. Right? Their misinterpretation should not cause us to reject
even hedges or even taymiyah, even though we disagree with it academically, but to defend is very
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easy. And that's what have been telling me it says that we do know what is going on and we do know
what is not put on. And in the end through your chemo Allahu iottie. Allah will make his is crystal
clear, you can means to make a crystal clear and that is exactly what happened. In the end there is
an element of faith. I can't scientifically you know, demarcate between this and that there is an
element of faith and we can give us proof that the Quran has never been disagreed about since its
very beginning. And all Muslims have agreed what is the Quran? These two verses have never been
falsely attributed even those who say version three, no, it is not a part of the Quran. So there is
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an element of faith that they will believe this to be from Allah azza wa jal. We need to call it
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