Wasim Kempson – The Knowledge – Do You Worshipthe Kabah

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			So, you know, there's this holy city like you're saying, and there's you go and you go pilgrimage,
right, you go to this you go visit this place Mecca. Right. That's right.
		

			There's another one right because of him as well I think. Medina. Medina, yeah. So Mecca. Medina.
That's right.
		

			You go there for the pilgrimage, but I heard that apparently like, like, people are asked like,
Well, you wouldn't be allowed there for some reason, like only Muslims are allowed there. Like why,
like, why? How can I walk on? You know, well,
		

			that's not You're not unique to Makkah and Medina? Because there are many places actually on earth
that if you don't have or fulfilled the criteria, or have the right visa, you can't go there as
well.
		

			This place is like the Pentagon? Oh, places near close to the Vatican. Yes, there are certain
places, which if you don't fulfill a certain criteria, you can't go there. Okay, happens to be with,
you know, Maccha, that
		

			only Muslims are allowed in that sacred city.
		

			So it's not discriminatory, in a sense that this is something unique under the Muslims are, you
know, keeping people away from you know, non Muslims from seeing this place. It's just because
Muslims deem it to be very sacred, very holy, a very precious place
		

			that Muslims are only they are the only ones allowed to enter that. But it's not unique. Because
there are many places on Earth, which person doesn't have the right. It could be a security issue.
It could be political issues. And it could be religious reasons, as well as certain holy shrines
		

			which are in India, for example, that if you're not from a certain caste, and so on, and so forth,
you wouldn't be allowed in there as well.
		

			You guys don't believe in like, obviously, worshipping shrines and stuff, right? That's right. It's,
		

			there's no such thing as idol worship. There's no such thing as worshiping people, since just
believing in the you know, the unseen God to us, the unseen creator. See, that's where I'm confused.
Because, obviously, in one of the in one of those cities, I think it's Mecca. Yeah. Have the, the
black kind of buildings that everyone kind of goes.
		

			They serve the blacks, the blacks, isn't that isn't that they, like assume people bowing to it, and
like videos and stuff. Is that not like worshiping it? Yeah, yeah, that's a common misunderstanding.
		

			You have a very important concept in Islam. And that is that Muslims should be unified, and that
they should be together. And just as Muslims that we pray together, we have a congregational prayer,
that they will go to the mosque and they pray at the same time. And they pray, as you know, in lines
together, the black box that you see, which is called the Kaaba, is not something that we actually
worship. In fact, it it represents one of the if not the first place of worship on Earth, which the
Prophet Abraham and his son, Ismail that they built, they reestablished the foundations. So Muslims
don't actually pray to it. But it's a place where we can direct our worship. Okay, so it's a
		

			directional thing, as opposed to actually worshiping it. We don't actually worship and we worship,
by the command of God Almighty, by the command of Allah, we are commanded to pray in that one
direction. So everyone's kind of doing it together kind of thing. Not everyone's Exactly, exactly
fulfilling that kind of congregational unity kind of principle, I can understand how that would
work. You never know one day if changes in your life, you might go there one day.
		

			You never know, I guess, to be honest.
		

			Okay, to understand it just to see and understand
		

			about appreciate, you know, you're asking questions, because many people, they, they don't ask
questions, they don't ask things about the purpose of their life, or what they're doing or where
they're going. They're just willing to just just go through the motions as it were, he lives 50 6070
years. So it's everyone's got that struggle as well in life, you know, I mean, so it'd be nice to
actually know, but an outcome just for like, just for your own purview, right? To see what could you
know, what your outcome could be, in order to do things right, I suppose. You know, everybody's
looking for happiness. Yeah. Looks for happiness, then. Isn't that not? Because I mean, like, from
		

			what I understand, as from what you've kind of explained, like, the purpose of a Muslim is to submit
to God, like you were saying, like, submit to Allah. Submit to his wall, basically. So like, isn't
that separate to kind of happiness? Like, I mean, isn't that like a separate purpose kind of thing?
Like, why is the only one purpose? Why can't we have floats? I mean, what might be happiness and
yours be?
		

			This good question. Next thing is when we're talking about achieving happiness, you can achieve
happiness in many different ways. Now, I'm not saying or you know, Islam doesn't say that the only
way that you can achieve happiness is to worship God Almighty. That is the most that is central to
everything, that worshiping God Almighty is the center or the the only way of achieving eternal
		

			and sustainable happiness. There may be other things are the other things that you can do, which
also will make you happy. It's not, for example, you find Muslims that you only go to the mosque.
And that's all you can do. And that's the only place that you can find happiness. And Muslims can
have fun. Because then you can go to a theme park, you can have time with your family, you can do
many, many things, which also will make you happy, because you know that God blessed you with these
things. So it's an internal happiness. It's an unhappiness that doesn't cost any money. It's a kind
of an internal happiness that you find in the heart, which
		

			you can only find with God Almighty.
		

			And that way you find wherever you are on earth, you will always have that happiness.
		

			Yeah, it's like week's happiness comes in, like so many forms as well, like you said, like, it's
crazy. But how would you mean, obviously, in your perspective, your life here right now? Yeah.
Right? What's your kind of I mean, it used to give you a life of meaning. And said, Well, I'm here
to do this kind of thing. What would you say? Because I mean, this is your like, this is your job.
But then how are you kind of like, like, obviously, like you said, you're serving?
		

			Well, you know, I come across lots of different characters, and lots of different stories and
situations. And if I have the opportunity to deliver, even if it's a small message, and have a
column, a conversation like this, to talk about the purpose of life, to speak about, to speak about
Islam, to clarify the true picture of what Islam really is, then that's why I can serve God
Almighty. You know, I offer that I have my president and the mosque, I'm able to make the
pilgrimage. When there's one month a year, I'm able to fast, okay, I can, you know, earn a living to
serve my you know, to help my family, all of that is serving God. So it's not just you know, prayers
		

			and prayers and prayers and fasting and sacrificing. No, serving God Almighty means being good to
your family. Serving God means being good and respecting other people. All of this is serving God
Almighty. So it comes in so many different ways. So then, how do you know that God is serving God?
Like who told you this? Like, understand the Prophet Muhammad, like spread this message? But like,
where are you finding this stuff? Because obviously, that was a long time ago. So sure. So we have
the Quran, and we have the example of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, which teaches us that
serving God Almighty comes in different ways and shapes and forms. So for example, the Prophet
		

			Muhammad told us spending on your family is serving God Almighty, you know, being good and looking
after the week. That's also serving God Almighty, just as going on a pilgrimage, just as going to
the mosque to pray that serving God Almighty. So you know, if I'm able to meet and come across
people and serve people help people from get to A to B, that's also serving God. So it's not just
you know, what people just think worshipping God has to be in a place of worship, I can be out in
the street, and I can be helping people serving people and at the same time with my intention, I can
be rewarded for that. By Allah.
		

			It's gonna say, because obviously, everything you do is it's kind of by like Islam and by the Quran
by because the Quran is the most, most recent testament, I think that's the case, how would you
possibly can? How would you take the most recent testament and use the knowledge rather than go for
an older Testament or a Bible, you know, like a home Bible, for example?
		

			Yeah, something older, that would be more maybe scripted from before that time when the Quran was
maybe. Okay. There's a couple of important points there. Number one, is that the Quran came to
confirm all the other previous messages, it didn't come to say that all of these are fake. And all
of these never existed. But the Quran comes to reaffirm that the revelation that was given to Moses
and to Jesus and to David and to Solomon, all of these prophets, prophets that existed before we are
to believe in all of them, and that you cannot be a Muslim unless you accept and believe in them and
all of them. However, there has some distortion occurred in these previous revelations, like the
		

			Injeel, the Gospels and the torah, the torah, there are some changes have occurred in that that the
message has been changed somehow. So the Quran came to as a final revelation, a final testament to
mankind to remind us, this is what it is all about. Now, did the Quran simply copy those stories?
There's a book actually I read not long ago, it's got 101. And there's more than that 101
differences in that what you find it in the Quran, and the other, the other scriptures. So for
example, the story of Abraham, okay. It is in from a Christian dome kind of belief that it is Isaac,
who was going to be sacrificed by his father. Islam says no, it was this my child was his other son.
		

			So Islam came to correct all of these beliefs that were previously forgotten or distorted in
previous religions. So he wasn't just, you know, just written down and copied.
		

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			previous scripture that was found that you find lots and lots of differences. So it's a false notion
to say that Islam simply copied, it's not the case at all. And the more you read, the more you will
find that Islam came to correct. That original belief that was given from one generation to the next
from one project to the next. I was going to ask when he's talking about, you know, Heaven and *
kind of thing, like life and death, or life after death, like how do you determine like, where you
go, like, how do you, if you if you're a good person, you think you're a good person? And you think
you're going to heaven? But you end up any other way? How do you determine like, obviously, if
		

			you're determined with the scales like this was talking about, but how do you say, Yeah, I'll that
goes into the good part that goes into the bad part, I'm going here or there. Yep. Yeah. How do you
really determine, you know, Islam, you know, Allah defines for us what is good and what's bad. The
Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him what defined for us what is good, and what is bad, and that will
never change? What is good 1400 years ago, is good. Now. It's not like, for example, you get a new
prime minister, or you get a new president, people change laws, you know, 20 or 30 years ago, that
was deemed bad and evil, and now it's good. So we have guidance that's fixed. So we know forever,
		

			this will always be good. So I know these good deeds that I do, and try to fulfill in my life, that
will go on my heavy scale of good deeds, and that was deemed bad and evil. If I do that, then then
they'll go on the other side of the of the scale, and may weigh down the other side. So we have a
clear understanding of what is good and what is bad. So we don't have confusion concerning these
matters. This is one of the great things that I found in Islam.
		

			The confusion is sometimes confusing. So I know little bits and bobs about free friends. It's not
like I think one of my friends told me that I think every verse other than Ephesus, right, but every
verse of the Quran has 1000 meanings, or something of a sort.
		

			We believe that the Quran is the word of God. And it is limitless in terms of its meanings and
benefits and wisdoms from it. So you find it's an eternal message. It's not a message that was only,
you know, suitable for 1000 years ago, because it is the literal speech of God Almighty, it will
always be relevant, and you will always find benefit. So whenever I open the Quran, I always find
there's a benefit for them for my situation, or gives me an advice or something that I need. It's an
eternal message. Because we know it's from God Almighty.
		

			Sorry, it's sometimes hard to determine the flight you get individuals that look at the same book
and go, this means that someone else goes No actually this means that it's important it's important
that when we when we start to interpret or understand the Quran, that is not done by anybody
		

			has to be done by learned to scholars has to be done by the people who have studied the religion.
Otherwise, you know, people will start picking up the Quran interpreting it as they like. And as you
know, that the people you know, holding the Quran making false interpretations and creating a lot of
mischief. You know, say in the name of Islam, and it's not from Islam, so you only take from
knowledgeable people. That's very, very important. Okay.
		

			We're just gonna arrive at your destination here. So it's taken so long. was a pleasure to meet you
lads. Yeah, nice.
		

			Thanks. So you never know. We may see each other again.
		

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