The Deen Show – Osama Bin Ladens Niece Speaks Out (Reaction video)

			Osama bin Laden is one of 1000s of very radical Muslims. It became their mission to defend
Afghanistan but then also to expand. So let's go to 911. You're 14 years old, the event takes place.
What's life like with the last name of Ben Lada? brace yourselves, because your life is never going
to be the same again, watching the news and some politicians saying that, you know, Islam is a
religion of peace. That politician you mentioned is a president of the mainstream media perpetrated
the narrative. I would challenge any journalists, what are you running work there for two years
Christiane Amanpour should do what you just said. Have you ever been to Saudi Arabia you've never
		

			been and then you have here in the West, you know, Matt tell coming out with a veiled Barbie and
Nike coming out with a job with a switch. And apparently you get labeled as a racist if you say
these things, but this ideology is a real problem. But let me get this straight. There is someone
who is the niece of sama bin Laden, who is a supporter of Donald Trump, he was able to bring all
these people together at the table to strike peace agreements, he hasn't started any new wars. Why
do you think 80 million Americans voted for Biden? Well, first of all, I don't believe that number.
You're supposed to hate Trump. We're supposed to believe that this candidate garnered more votes
		

			than Hillary Clinton than Obama. It smells really bad, Patrick, this incident in 1933, every Muslim
needs to be aware of it. And it is something that is truly shocking to hear this this
		

			piece of Salaam Nicole, welcome to the show. I'm your host. Good to have you back with us. And it's
really good to have our special guest, Dr. Kevin, who's with us I had to bring on an expert.
Somebody who's a scholar in this area, not only are you your professor and university from the
Wisconsin University, you taught there for many years and other universities. But you have dwelled
into an area also, that you became a collar technically in this area that we're going to be
discussing, discussing. And what prompted us to discuss this is that something is again being
brought to the surface, this topic of 911 with the niece that all of a sudden came out of the
		

			woodwork Her name is Osama bin Laden's neither calling her Osama bin Laden's nice, newer, bin Laden.
That's interesting, because I was telling you, Dr. Kevin, before I go on salaam aleikum, how are
you? Well, they come with a lot more amsoil Baraka to you, Eddie, it's great to be back on your
show. I love your show. Peace be with you. Good to have you back again. Thank you. So that I hit
that right, you were a professor at the University of Wisconsin. Well, close enough. I was
technically a lecturer there. And I think what I forget what I was categorized at Edgewood College
of Madison, I was a professor in Milwaukee at Kaplan University, and I've taught at San Francisco
		

			State and other places. Now, just a recap of your story, because you are the quintessential example
of someone who is exercising his right to freedom of speech for I remember that story correctly. And
you were just blasted for that. Right? We were teaching critical thinking skills. Yeah, remember how
it was after 911? It was crazy people were being stampeded into this fear, kind of paranoia vibe,
sort of like with COVID today, but with a lot less reason. Because I do think there really is such a
thing as COVID. And it's making people sick, but 911 that was a complete, what should we call it,
stampeding people into totally unreasonable fear, the chances that you are going to get killed by
		

			any kind of terrorist and most Islamic terror, so called Islamic terrorists were being blamed for
about 2% of the attacks at the time. But the chances are, you'd be killed by any kind of terrorist
at that time, or really any other time is comparable to getting hit by lightning twice. So that was
a hoax. But everybody was terrified of the scary, scary radical Muslims. And so I looked at this
critically and tried to teach critical thinking around it. And then in 2004, I woke up to the fact
that the official story of 911 was not just false, but obviously and easily provably false. So I
started doing activism and teachings on that issue that got me in trouble. And then in 2006, I was
		

			dragged on Fox News attacked by a politicians made into a whipping boy for the professor's for 911
truth. And since then, I've been forced to become an independent scholar, and some would call me a
professional conspiracy theorist. Now just you'd mentioned that word. We talked about this in
previous shows, when this label is thrown out, when did is officially get coined? And when you label
someone with this term, does that kind of shut down the conversation is that meant to shut down, you
know, a credible, you know, conversation to just try to ascertain the truth without going down in a
dark hole? Well, of course, that's actually why they
		

			The term conspiracy theorist was popularized by none other than the CIA. It sounds like a conspiracy
theory, but it is a true one. The CIA issued a memorandum in 1967 to its assets in the media, and
the CIA has a lot of assets in the media. You can Google the term Operation Mockingbird for some of
that evidence. So the CIA put out a memo. And you can find this and read it on the internet, telling
the editors, publishers and journalists that it owns and it owns 1000s to start using the term
conspiracy theorist and start calling people who were thinking critically about the JFK
assassination conspiracy theorists. The reason they put this out in 1967 was the Jim garrison, the
		

			district attorney of New Orleans, Louisiana, was starting to prosecute some of the people who killed
President Kennedy. And so certain people in high places were panicked. And one of the ways they
reacted was by putting out this memo to try to discredit critical thinkers as so called conspiracy
theorists, and they've been using that trick ever since. Now, you mentioned something like operation
operation Mohawk was a call mocking Mockingbird, sorry, Operation Mockingbird. These are things that
you can go look into. And they were actually things that were put together. They actually exist is
not something you just because you hear this term, you know, Mockingbird, you hear it, but these
		

			this is actually something that you could research and is out there in operation. Mockingbird was
maybe the most successful CIA operation of all time, according to an internal agency assessment.
They gave a highest metal to the man who had done it a guy named cord Meyer. And then there's a
whole angle with the JFK assassination, assassination there that I won't get into. But yeah,
Operation Mockingbird is undisputedly real none. There's nobody out there saying it didn't happen.
And our biggest investigative journalists have written about this. Carl Bernstein wrote an article
about how the CIA owns much of the mainstream media. Now, there's also a Muslim speaker out there.
		

			He's someone who's well known in America and worldwide, he was actually speaking he he recommended
at all Muslims. There was a few events in history. And one of his speeches, we can let you hear it.
He was bringing these historical facts that came up and this kind of ties in what you know, just
current day events and then what we'll get to the story with this, nor Osama bin Laden's niece, who
now is getting the spotlight in her 15 minutes of fame but let me show you this real quick. And then
if you can talk about these events that this
		

			this person is his name is Yasser card, look up the Dreyfus affair. Look it up Dr. e YF. us where a
person of a high position who was of a Jewish background was accused of betraying the country. It
turns out that they planted false evidence. It turns out it was a false flag operation. Tell us
about this, that he this this event that he's talking about? The Dreyfus affair. There was a Jewish
army officer named Dreyfus, who was blamed for espionage on behalf of Germany. This was during the
late 19th century when France and Germany were at odds. And it turns out that
		

			I believe the guy who was actually guilty of espionage helped frame him. And so there was a big
scandal at that time, there was a lot of prejudice against Jews. I won't call it anti semitism
because European Jews are not Semitic. anti semitism is prejudiced against Semitic people, which
today is mostly Arabs and Muslims. But in any case, the Dreyfus affair was a huge scandal in that
for more than a decade, there was a fight about whether this guy was guilty or not. He was actually
sent off to Devil's Island, this horrific prison. And finally, the forces people like email Zola,
the famous novelist and others, who were fighting for to vindicate him, finally succeeded, that he
		

			was vindicated and the culprit was found. But this this was a huge scandal at the time. And it
showed that people had rushed to judgment when the authorities in France were willing to blame a
totally innocent man, just to make things convenient for themselves. And it would have worked if it
hadn't been for the heroism of a number of people like Zola and we've there's many other similar
cases like this in history. Edie, go ahead finish I'm gonna get you the other one. Maybe they'll
share it for you mention it here. This is the other one that this Muslim scholar he talks about,
that everybody should go back look into. And know about but there is two incidents again the Dreyfus
		

			look it up and the other one please look this up. It is called the Reichstag fire or E IC h sta G.
The Reichstag fire this incident in 1933. Every Muslim needs to be aware of it, and it is something
that is truly shocking to hear. The German parliament was bombed the parliament
		

			was bombed a fire was set up. Hitler immediately said that Jews did it instantaneously. The public
ran with it. The perception was that this is a Jewish plot. And because of this one incident of
bombing the parliament, Hitler asked and was given unilateral powers. Like what happened 20 years
ago in our own country because of one terrorist attack. You heard what he said that was Yasser
called. He said, Every Muslim needs to know about these things. Absolutely. Yeah, the Reichstag fire
was what was the emergency that allowed Hitler to assume dictatorial powers. And the deal was the
German parliament, the Reichstag was burned extensively by some mentally * guy named Vander
		

			lube, but very likely, the Nazis did it themselves. But in any case, they use that pretext to seize
absolute power. And there's a parallel here Edie, not only with 911, okay, okay, so now you see
where I'm going, you see what we're trying to do. We talked about this term that's thrown out, okay.
All right. So we talked about who you are, I mean, first we beginning a, you know, an American
patriot, somebody who's born here, you weren't even Muslim at the time, you were just teaching your
your, your students critical thinking skill, you were questioning the official narrative and led you
down a path to investigate became a scholar in this area now. And then we are right now then we
		

			brought up the point of a Muslim scholar here, there's also accardi, who talks about these events.
Even before that, you you, you mentioned, because this is, these are actual events that happen. But
now, for you even to look into this, if you if you're, you're scared, because someone's going to
throw a naval label at you, you know, a conspiracy theorist, you get spooked, and now you just
believe all the official narratives, but he confirmed it. This is down. If you go down history, you
can see that these are facts that happen. But now we go back to what this lady now we can come into
this event that they're trying to, you know, again, start to create this panic, this fear of Muslims
		

			right through this event isn't that tragic event of 911. So now, if you look back, and you see how
this was a definitely what he said, in his words, a false flag. Now you have things that are
happening, like we're like, they can't happen again. So go ahead. Well, you sure well, yeah, 911,
and also the anthrax attacks, which were part of the same operation, that together was really a kind
of American Reichstag fire because it allowed the federal government to push through emergency
powers in the form of the Patriot Act. And it wasn't just 911 itself. That is the attacks on the
Pentagon and the entire world trade center where every World Trade Center building was destroyed
		

			with bombs, and none of the non World Trade Center buildings right next to them were turret were
totaled, and the Pentagon was bombed. But then after people were stampeded into this state of
paralysis and fear based on that, in the beginning of October, these anthrax letters became known,
and they stampeded through the American version of the enabling acts, which was the patriot act by
sending anthrax to the two democratic senators who were trying to block the Patriot Act and were
interested in investigating 911. Their names were tom daschle and Patrick Leahy, and they received
anthrax in envelopes in Scrabble scribbled on the envelopes. were the words Death to America, death
		

			to Israel, a lot is great. So it was supposedly another attack by by crazy Muslims. And that shut
down Congress, just like the Reichstag fire did in Germany. And once Congress was shut down, then
when they reopen, they just went ahead and rubber stamp Patriot Act. So there's a very close
parallel there. The difference is that that time, no single dictatorial figure emerged to become a
permanent American dictator, George W. Bush would have been a pretty pathetic excuse for a dictator,
Trump, on the other hand, he would be
		

			perhaps more able to do that due to his charisma, and this kind of hold he has over his followers.
So that brings us into now this emerging of Osama bin Laden's niece now, right? So she's been
plastered on much of the mainstream media now.
		

			Or some of these outlets now. She's done some interviews. This one from value. tainment is the one
we're going to just go ahead and have you react to some of the things that she's saying. And I've
watched some of these interviews that Patrick has had from value tainment I mean, he has he's a good
solid interviewer has a good solid program here, but I'm just surprised now because much of the fake
news out there, they see it as fake news, but they conveniently accept the fake news when it comes
to Islam. Right. So that's the hypocrisy we see here. But let's get into this and see what your
thoughts This is her and him censorship here in a minute. So let's go to 911 you're 14 years old,
		

			the event takes place. It happens
		

			You know, you're watching the news and names come up. Osama bin Laden, your last name is bin Laden?
What What are you thinking in that moment? What's your mother's reaction? What are your two older
sisters reaction when you see that event taking place?
		

			So, before all of that happens, and we haven't touched upon this yet, but
		

			people are in your viewers
		

			don't know this, but I am a total patriot at heart like America, after Switzerland is my second
home. The love for America was passed on to me by my mother, who really valued what the country was
built on. And she started taking me to the US two to three times a year from the age of three
whenever I'd have school holidays. So by the time I reached 14 years old, America was my second
home. So much so that, you know, two years before 911, I had gotten a US flag on holiday in South
Carolina, and it was, you know, on my wall in my room, and I would get teased so much in school.
What do you think this is? Again? I mean, it is the whole model, never forget an excuse being
		

			brought up, you know,
		

			you heard the new model that we that has been brought out, never forget Islam, and Muslims had
nothing to do with 911 stop using us as the scapegoat. But it seems like again, here we go. Again,
the reemergence and the fear mongering, is being unite. What do you think when you when you when you
hear this topic, again, being brought up in this way with her now, all of a sudden? Well, I could
see, even you know, back, when I realized what 911 and anthrax really had been, I could see that it
was going to keep on continuing as this propaganda thing for a very long period. And sure enough, I
even discovered that one of the men who was most likely involved in scripting the entire 911 Drama,
		

			because it was undoubtedly scripted in advance with the idea of creating the effect that it created.
And one of the people who suspected of being involved in that is a man named Dr. Philip Zelikow.
He's a history teacher at University of Virginia. And he published an article in foreign affairs
magazine in 1997, speculating on what would happen if there were a spectacular kind of Pearl Harbor
style attack on the United States, such as the destruction of the World Trade Center. And he at the
time in 1997, said that what would happen is that it would divide time into a before and an after,
and nobody would remember what things had been like before this catastrophic event. And he said that
		

			it would create a multi generational effect, sort of, sort of like Pearl Harbor did. There were
focus group studies that showed that Americans still hated Japanese people as late as the 1990s
because of Pearl Harbor. So Zelikow studied that and said, there would be a multi generational
hatred of Islam. If the World Trade Center were destroyed in a terrorist attack. Basically, he
didn't quite say it in those words. But it was close enough in that article he published in 1997,
with john Deutsch, called imagining the catastrophic event. So this is this guy. zelicah, who was
then made the head of the 911 Commission, and he ran the 911 Commission completely, he had total
		

			control over the entire thing. And he scripted the entire report before the Commission had even been
convened. In fact, he wrote the entire report in chapter outline, before the Commission had even
convened to investigate the event. So the point being that this was designed to create this long
term effect and to keep on going for 100 years or more, it's going to keep pushing Western people
like northern Latin westernized people, in her case, to hate Islam for generations to come. It's
interesting that her name, I mean, she paints herself I mean, I love America, I'm, you know, I love
my country, right? We might not agree with some things that are perpetuated in the name of you know,
		

			like drone attacks, killing innocent people in another world like Muhammad Ali when he came out and
he didn't refuse to go and to fight poor people in another country for killing poor people. Right,
he stood up and now he's he's a Muslim American hero. So again, what does that mean it just put out
there she's paying like she's got she's she's got this flag. You know, she's in Switzerland and just
it's kind of like this she's trying to appeal to the emotions of people as as if the American people
are that credulous You know, they're just that gullible and to fall for us for these stories. I
mean, if you look at her name, she feels she looks as though now she couldn't because her mother's
		

			name was her mother's name is Carmen Carmen do foursome right? We know in Arabic I mean, if you look
at Osama bin means the son of right so if you translate her newer that's the son of
		

			why she could have just easily just taken her she's not practicing it doesn't seem like she's not a
practicing Muslim. She hates like Islam. She could have easily if she was that scared you know just
took her mother's name or just Latin I mean, it's not she don't why she's in been the son of you
know
		

			So it just doesn't add up it just seems like this is all just set up you know for some some
nefarious agenda. Well that was my first reaction when I saw this. This she seems so kind of plastic
and out of Central Casting that I wondered if did Walt Disney had made her you know, the way to make
the Hall of Presidents they'd created been Latins nice for us. But yeah, I should maybe she should
change not only her last name been Latin as you say that means son of so what what what does that
mean? But newer, of course, means light, like the famous a long noodles, and Malachi will art. God
is the light of the heavens and the earth. It's a beautiful name. Seriously, she's, you know, I
		

			think she's, she must have been horribly traumatized by this, assuming she's real. And she's not out
of the Hall of Presidents, which I am willing to assume. She would have had a tough time when she
was 14 years old. 911 happens. And she has this link to the alleged perpetrator or the Fall Guy, or
the Patsy or what have you. And just like so many other Muslims, and not just Muslims, but you know,
Sikhs were getting shot and lynched because they look sort of Muslim. So there was that hatred of
Muslims that 911 was designed to create, and she was right there in the middle of that storm, and it
must have really terrified her as a little kid. And so that must have traumatized her to the point
		

			that she reacted by waving her American flag. It's funny the way she said, I'm such an obsession,
American patriot after Switzerland, it's my first country. Well, you know, a lot of American
patriots would say, after Switzerland well.
		

			And of course, that's almost as bad as after Israel. And of course, that's very common after Israel.
America is my first country. That's what about half of our government, and most of the people who
don't our media, and give most of our money to political campaigns, that's what they would say, if
they were telling the truth. Yeah, I love America. It's my second favorite country after Israel. But
in any case, she is I think she's the walking wounded. Yeah, I think she's real. I think she really
has been loud is nice. And she reacted to this trauma by waving the American flag harder than
everybody. You know, I'm more American than anybody. I really, I didn't do it. Please don't Lynch
		

			me. And that's the way she's identified for her her whole life. And now she's had this opportunity
to come into the limelight, waving that flag as hard as she can. On behalf of Donald Trump, which
it's actually you know, it would be hilarious if it weren't so pathetic. Now, I like Patrick,
actually, from this value team, and he brings on some good guests, you know, cover some good topics,
but and I hope this reaches him and he can just re evaluate when it comes to now when people go out
of their lane. I mean, he promotes reading books. I mean, read the Quran, I mean, for yourself, hook
up with a Muslim have someone like you, who's a scholar in this area in this area of 911 have many
		

			of these things that they're bringing up to bring on someone like you right to ascertain really for
his audience, what's fake, and what's real. And and, and it's sad that now they're I don't see
really any good behind this. It just this fear mongering, right. So let me go ahead and share
another clip here from this and get your reaction. We just had the election and I know you, you were
on Tucker and a few different shows and you express your support for
		

			Trump to hear Osama bin Laden's knees says only Trump can prevent another 911. But what magazine
just came out last week calling them president. Okay, so see again, another, but doesn't care. Like
you mentioned as another scholar, someone who's written extensively on this. Can you elaborate
doctor, he's a Christian,
		

			who was searching for the true doctor was a David Ray Griffin. Yes. So he blows all that out of the
water, this whole 911 being linked to Islam and Muslims. Yes, David Ray Griffin is a professor. He's
retired now, who has written about 12 books on 911, starting with the new Pearl Harbor, and his work
is totally indispensable. If you really want to get into the nitty gritty of what happened, it
didn't happen. And especially what's his name, again, David Ray Griffin, David Ray Griffin. So if
Patrick or her or anybody who's sincerely looking for the truth in this matter, this is an academic,
he's a Christian. Also, he's not Muslim. And there's a quote that he said that the evidence that,
		

			you know, has seems has been fabricated that's trying to link Islam to Muslims. You know, that
famous quote that he made? You know, I don't remember that particular quote, but it's just stunning.
How much of the so called evidence around 911 was obviously fabricated. You know, I won't get into
all the details, but like, the only reason that they pointed a finger at Mohamed Atta was that odda
had two magic suitcases that were magically discovered full of planted evidence that the cops knew
was planted in the case of one of them. And I mean, I could go on about the planet evidence. Why
don't we stick to something just simple, simple. When somebody looks at this, many people don't know
		

			that one of those buildings, seven, nothing even hit it. Right. Yeah. If you want the simple
version, it's simple. You
		

			Have a simple version of how you know that 911 was a false flag, just investigate the controlled
demolition of building seven. The official story is that building seven fell down at 523 in the
afternoon due to some very minor office fires, that would be the first time in history. Well, the
third time because of the two towers, that a steel framed high rise office building has ever
completely collapsed for any reason other than controlled demolition. But with building seven, just
look at it, it's obviously a demolition, as essentially everyone is admitted, even the the go to
scientists who tried to come up with ways of imagining that the towers had not been blown up, you
		

			show them building seven, and they basically shrug and throw up their hands, the only people
upholding the official story about building seven, which is that it just fell down from office
fires. Those people are basically on the government payroll.
		

			So people say okay, Edie, like, why are you talking about this topic? I mean, these topics are being
brought up. And they keep we have to go to the root of the matter, because they keep again, using
Islam and Muslims as a scapegoat. We know that Islam condemns something like this. I mean, you don't
have a justification, but they're trying to, you know, show otherwise. But then when you have the
whole event is questionable. Right, then, and then if somebody looks into it, and that's why we
brought someone like yourself, an academic scholar in this area, who can also was pointed to other
academics and investigators and people you have, like 3000 plus almost 4000 architects and
		

			engineers, Richard Gage, I believe is his name.
		

			someone like him who gives a presentation and asks hundreds of people in the room? How many of you
believe this at the start, but after he presents the evidence, all hands are down, you know? So what
do you think? Well, yeah, the one thing about 911 that everybody can figure out pretty quickly, if
they look into it is that the World Trade Center was demolished with explosives. It didn't just
magically disappear, you know, in these gigantic explosions, because it had been hit by planes with
a little bit of kerosene or jet fuel enough. The official story is, of course, that that kerosene in
the planes started off as fires in the office fires destroyed the buildings. But once you look at
		

			this beginning with building seven, you'll quickly figure out that obviously these buildings were
destroyed with some very, very powerful explosives precisely how that was done is still being
debated. But once we don't have to get into that right I mean, that's not for us to figure that's
when you start you know, someone labels you that name conspiracy theory, as you're trying to
theorize put it together, it's not our business, okay, whatever. How would happen when it I mean,
how it happened is done the other Okay, oh, maybe at the end, only God Almighty Allah, at the end,
maybe agenda, you can go ahead and watch it in 4k or whatever. But basically, what this means,
		

			though, is that they had rigged up these huge buildings for demolition ahead of time in advance.
These are even building seven, which was only 47. storeys, and the two towers were, like 110.
storeys. So the even building seven at 47, storeys was the tallest building ever taken down in a
controlled demolition at that time. So these were huge, complex jobs very, very difficult. And they
had to have been rigged up in advance. And so what that means is that when they blame, suppose it
Muslim hijackers, and we have every reason to know that there were no Muslim hijackers that day, but
even just how would they have trusted people to,
		

			to hit these targets, and somehow, you know, create the pretext for blowing them up. So they would
not have allowed people to just randomly hijack planes and fly them into buildings to provide that
pretext. Instead, they would have used remote control or some some means to make sure that there was
a plane crash that then they could blame the demolitions on that that means there were no Muslims on
the planes. And there's all kinds of evidence to show that these 19 guys that they blamed for this,
were not on those planes at all. And most likely, the best hypothesis is probably there were planes
flown by remote control. But what about the 300 k? study from Alaska university? Is it? Yeah, that's
		

			Leroy hulsey is the professor at the University of Alaska Fairbanks who has put out the definitive
final scientific word on building seven. And it's kind of belaboring the obvious, it's, it's very
obvious to anybody with basic sort of grade school or maybe middle school physics, that this
building building seven couldn't possibly just come straight down at almost freefall acceleration,
because of some office fires, because to have it come down like that straight into its footprint at
freefall, you would have to remove all of the vertical supports exactly at the same moment. You
know, if you missed if you got most of them, but not a couple of them, boom, it's going to topple
		

			you know, big tall building like that. It always wants to topple like a tree. You know, you can't
take a tree and turn a tree into a little pile of sawdust on the stump very easily. And so so that's
why they pay controlled demolition for him so much to bring them straight down.
		

			So everybody looks at Boeing seven can see that it was a demolition. However, if you want to get
into the nitty gritty of absolutely proving it beyond any possible doubt and showing why the
government's explanation is as insane as it is, you can do what Professor Halsey did and do a really
complex computer modeling study. And so that's available for anybody who wants to really get into
the engineering details. How do you advise people who know they don't believe the official
narrative? And that's all someone is saying, like, oh, there's things that are questionable, like
things right in front of your eyes is wasn't like a Houdini are a
		

			magician trick, you know, that? Or was it I mean, that this building just fell down? Nothing hit it,
but someone when you're talking to people, and you're explaining, you know, what Islam is, you know,
submission to the Creator, not the creation, you know, Jesus practice it. Moses, Abraham, it's a way
of connecting with your Creator, the one and only and you go into the beautiful tenants of it, but
then, in the back of someone's mind, or someone even comes out, say, Oh, you guys are the guys.
Right? your religion is because of Muslims that now that again, it's always there. It's so and now
it's being revisited again, with this scripted, played, it seems like he's coming up. So for someone
		

			who's a novice in his area, what do you and then usually the arguments are, look, which is fact that
Islam doesn't condone this, it condemns it, right. And they weren't Muslims who did it. Right. But
somehow they, they, you know, it was Muslims, but they weren't practicing Islam. And then you get
into all this, but when you get to the root of matter, is Islam and Muslims had nothing to do with
it? So what advice would you give to someone where you don't, because people are scared to come off,
like and get labeled a conspiracy theorist? Well, if you can, if you have the time to do some
reading and look into it, and then you can, you know, learn some of the facts about it. Just telling
		

			people about those facts, I guess, is about the best you can do. Because it's, it's not,
unfortunately, the problem is that a traumatic event like this, and this newer, bin Laden is a
classic example of somebody who's been traumatized into becoming very defensive, and, and being very
rigid in a particular approach, you know, so she's waving her American flag and, and, and, you know,
screaming against Islam, but she's just an extreme example, because about half the American people
were given pre Traumatic Stress Disorder by the TV images, they saw 911. And this is an example of
what the professionals in this field have the word professional is a little dubious here, they would
		

			call this traumatic mind control, or, or, you know, using trauma to to brainwash people, when people
are traumatized, they become sort of desperate, and they don't have anything to grab on to. And so
then the person who's trying to brainwash them can basically tell them anything, and the person will
internalize it at a very deep and often unconscious level. So that there are so many people walking
around today with this hatred or sort of negative feeling and fear of Islam that's been implanted
deep in their subconscious mind by this 911 operation, which was designed precisely to do that. And
we have to find ways to disarm them. And there are all sorts of ways you can sort of deprogram and
		

			disarm people. I think humor is helpful. Sometimes I've been doing this kind of work, educating
people about these kinds of very frightening things for 15 years now. And I think a little bit of
humor can be helpful, I mean, not not tasteless humor, but just lightening up a little bit. So we
can get some distance and rethink our kind of basic reactions to things. Like if you had this, this
Muslim scholar who yasir Qadhi who, who brought up this event in history that happened, where Hitler
he ended up starting the fire bombing his own parliament, was it Yeah, setting fire to the right,
stagger parallel? Yeah. So why is it hard to believe now? Why is it like far fetched that the same
		

			thing happens in one and modern day? Right? Well, false flag operations are very common. And in
2001, nobody heard of them except for people in military academies where they are taught as part of
the curriculum.
		

			False Flag operations are very common, have happened throughout history. The expression comes from
when a naval ship would hoist the flag that wasn't its own flag to try to, you know, attack somebody
and get somebody else blamed for it. And to this day, criminals, serious criminals organized crime
types, will often find a Patsy who will be blamed for their crime, because they know that most
police just want to solve the crime. And so you throw the Patsy to the police. And Patsy gets blamed
and perhaps convicted or maybe silence before he can be tried. And then the case goes away. So
framing people setting people up for things they didn't do.
		

			tricking countries into thinking they've been attacked by somebody to just
		

			The Art of War. I mean, this is this is old hat. And I just want to give you a couple of examples.
Israel is a specialist at this in 1954. They attack the United States to act American and British
targets in Egypt. This was called the lavonne affair. And you can look this up. Yeah, yeah, it's a
call avant affair, la VN. And for many decades, Israel insisted that no, this was just an anti
semitic conspiracy theory. And the Egyptians who convicted these Israeli terrorists, had had
convicted innocent people. But then, I think about 15 or 20 years ago, the Israeli government
finally admitted that yes, we did it, and then they gave medals to everybody was involved. Then in
		

			1967, another even bigger Israeli false flag was the attack on the USS Liberty spaceship. This was
during the 1967 War, and the Israelis attacked it all out trying to murder more than 300 American
sailors on this unarmed spaceship, they repeatedly returned to strafe the life lifeboats, they tried
to sink it. And only by a loss, Grace was that ship saved 34 American sailors ended up dead, and
hundreds wounded, almost everybody in the ship was wounded. But then afterwards, the US and Israeli
governments hushed it up. The reason was that it was a false flag. It was supposed to be blamed on
Egypt, they were going to kill 300 American sailors. And then the Americans were going to say, oh,
		

			Egypt did this. And then America was going to jump into the war and bomb Russian bases in Egypt,
which might have started world war three. So that's just, you know, in there, hundreds of examples
of these false flag operations. So people need to educate themselves. If people had actually known
about these things before 911, they probably couldn't have done 911. And not only those 3000 people
would still be alive. But many millions around the world who've been murdered in wars that were
triggered by 911 would also still be alive, which you had many Muslims actually also, who died in
911. Yes, there were Muslims who died in the towers. There were people from all sorts of countries.
		

			The again, the luckiest country was Israel, which had a huge presence in the towers. But they all
moved out a week before Zim shipping lines, which is co owned by the Government of Israel in the
Rothschilds broke its lease losing a huge amount of money to move out one week before 911. And then
Odigo instant messaging system sent out a warning and Hebrew that morning, warning people to stay
away from downtown Manhattan. So the Israelis only lost a couple of people. But countries I forget
which countries but if you look, you can look at the list. All sorts of countries last double
figures worth of people, including Muslim countries, and there were Muslim Americans who died as
		

			well. What happened to the the janitor was he called the last man out. He was someone who actually
ended up accepting Islam. He wasn't Muslim. He helped actually everybody he had like the key for the
utility rooms. What was his name? That's William Rodriguez. He was the last man out of the North
Tower last minute dived under a truck as the whole building came down whatever happened to him?
Well, at last I heard, he's alive and well and a family man in New York, he spent many years on the
lecture circuit. He first he was a national hero for saving people. You know, he helped the fire
department save a lot of people before he got out. Yeah. And so he was a national hero, he met bush
		

			and so on. And then he kept trying to give his information to the authorities. And he actually did
testify. But before the 911 Commission, and he testified that huge explosions had badly injured
people, and done tremendous damage to the lobby and the lower levels of the towers before the plane
hit. And, and then huge explosions. Were going off after that in the towers, as well as he was
helping the fire department safe people. So anyway, he wanted to testify about this. But
unfortunately, the 911 Commission sealed his testimony, top secrets never been seen. And that showed
him that there was something really wrong. And so since then, he began doing lectures. He did a lot
		

			of lectures for several years. And now I think he's retired from the lecture circuit, and I'm not
quite sure what he's up to. Isn't that interesting? He was getting all the mainstream media
attention when when they were using him to kind of go with the narrative. But as soon as he came out
with the truth, and the reality would happen, they went opposite to that he got silenced. And then
he had everything he knew he could have went along with that ride, and he could have made more
money, right. But he went the opposite. Right? Yeah, he became an unusual kind of 911 hero, but I
think it you know, he was he's really a very admirable guy. And it was amazing. It was by the grace
		

			of Allah, that this guy a good looking articulate janitor happened to be there with the only key to
leave the fireman up. And you know, to open up the stairways and get people out and then to survive
it. It's just a quite a miracle. What do you say when people they talk about how insensitive someone
is being because of the family members to even talk like this? Well, if family members I know people
like Bob mcelveen, who lost his son, Bobby, in the north, you know, some actual family and of
course, I've been working with them for more than 10 years.
		

			Working with the family members and family members of 911. I know a lot of them, really, you know,
know that the official story is false. Bob mcelveen. And it's really sad to hear him say this. He's
come on my radio show several times. And he he's he investigated very closely to find out what
happened to his son. And he knows his son was killed by blunt force trauma from explosions. His son
was there in the lobby, before the plane hit. And those same explosions that Willie Rodriguez talked
about, presumably killed him. And so Bob knows that and he's been trying to get justice for his son
for 15 years now. And he and many other family members of the victims are behind the various lawyers
		

			committee for 911. Justice, and the architects and engineers for 911 truth lawsuits. There are a
number of lawsuits going on. And then there's Matt Campbell. And Jeff Campbell, I think is Jeff. I
think Matt Campbell was the one who, who died and his brother Jeff over in the UK is pursuing
justice in the UK. He's got a court action in the UK about that. So there are lots of family members
who've been working for justice on this. Ellen Mariani was another one, who sued Bush and Cheney for
killing her husband who was on one of the flights, long history of activism. The the film 911 press
for truth was made by the jersey girls, the most famous of these victims, family activists. So it's
		

			an insult to these victims survivors, to say that they shouldn't be allowed to find out why their
loved ones really died. And who did it. I've also heard that
		

			there was more people who are calling in, they were calling in and investigating, like calling moss.
Many people were also buying up more crayons and Ever After that, I heard because they wanted to
know like, people who really who are out genuine, they wanted to see like, does Islam really teach
this? Even though we dismantled everything with these facts out there, but people who wanted to know
like, Okay, what is Islam all about? And during those times that people were reading the Quran, and
they were saying, hold on this, they were going to the source. So why don't these people like
Patrick, we sincerely asked him to get a good translation of the Quran, read it for her also read
		

			the Quran for yourself? It seems like they conveniently just say, you know, don't want to do that.
Why is that? And then you had people who were doing that, and they weren't actually accepting Islam,
you had more people accepting Islam, actually, after 911? Yeah, it's by the grace of Allah, some
people approach things with an open mind and look into Islam and others don't looking at Patrick and
Noor in this conversation, I found this kind of conversation kind of power painful. And I think that
maybe part of the reason for that is that both of those two people are in pain. And you know, they
clearly were in pain when they were talking about their parents divorces. I mean, both of these
		

			people have experienced trauma. In both cases, their parents divorced when they were kids, and it
left, you know, left a trauma for them. And you can see that on their faces when they talk about
that. And of course, newer bin Laden talked about the trauma of being a kid when 911 happened, and,
you know, kind of getting blamed for it. So these people I think, are kind of in pain. And Patrick
comes from a family that fled Iran during the Islamic Revolution. And so apparently, his family was
on the other side of the anti Islam side during the revolution. And so his family are exiled from
the Islamic Republic of Iran. And that pain of exile probably came to him at least secondhand. And
		

			so I think these people have become kind of rigid in their approach to things by is a way to defeat
this pain that they're suffering from, and how to heal them. You know, maybe, maybe the Quran
actually could help heal them. I don't think there's anything as healing as salaat prayer.
		

			And it is reading Quran if you get to the point where you can read and recite Quran which
hamdulillah I've been able to do that now for a couple of years. I'm following chicken, Ron
Hussein's method of doing a full Quran recitation, you read it aloud every day from and then one
month you finish it. And he has a whole method people can go to Imran Hussein's website to learn how
to do that. It's very, very healing. You know, it's for me, it's been very painful actually having
to deal with the reality of 911 which is even uglier and more terrifying than the official version.
And then that's led me into having to look at many other things that most people would rather not
		

			look at things like trauma based mind control, you know, 911 was one example of trauma based mind
control. But you know, look at look up project monarch. Look, look up. MK Ultra, the there are
criminals and intelligence agents who intentionally traumatize people in order to control their
minds. This is just one of the kinds of subjects I've ended up studying after I was forced out of
the academy for getting looking into 911 and
		

			So I think that the the healing power of Islam and Islamic practice in particular the actual ritual
practice of letting go of everything surrendering completely to God as you put your forehead on the
floor it's it's the highest form of call it meditation, call it thanking God or praise or prayer,
whatever you want to call it. salon is an amazing thing with this great healing power. And so I pray
that people like this who have suffered from these various kinds of pains and traumas in their lives
that have led them to hate and to reject and to push away their their real heritage and their real
relationship with God you know, God's waiting for them and so all they really need to do to really
		

			heal is to stop you know, stop hating on Islam and waving your flag extra hard and yelling that
you're you know, in favor of Trump or whatever and just let go and and and and face the truth I'll
Hawk which is another name for God in our tradition, these people really could be healed by Islam,
whether that happens or not, I guess I guess a lot and and they are, you know, the ones who
determine that if they can get past all the fake news that's out there in the misinformation, and
we'll end off with this. There's one more thing that from the clip, I can't stand the veil, you
know, and then you have here in the West, you know, Mattel coming out with a veiled Barbie and Nike
		

			coming out with Nike coming out with her job with a swoosh and, and knowing you know, what's
happening in, in the Middle East, and these women who are being persecuted, it's just, we'll finish
it off from from from there, you can see just she's, she's boiling, like her body language says it
all. And then she has a letter to America. And part of it she talks about some things that if she
would look into it, Patrick will look into Islam. I mean, you you articulate, articulated, you know,
the, the healing effect of the Quran. And then if they looked at and put it to the test, who the
Quran actually came from, like, it's from the Creator of the heavens and earth, the creator that
		

			created you. And then she talks about the veil now. And if she, I believe it comes off as she's
Christian, I believe the Bible says in like manner, oh, like men also, like women adore themselves
and modest about what is so modest
		

			about this,
		

			because she mentioned in her letter, but you have Jesus, the mother, Mary, who's wearing the hijab.
So she's talking about this, about modesty, and she's talking about the degeneracy of the moral of
the breakdown of the family. But this is all what Islam comes to preserve the family, modesty,
morality, worship of one and only God, the same God of Jesus, Moses, Abraham, glass, the fundamental
problem, Mohammed, peace and blessings be upon him, Paul. So it's like, kind of, you know, these
double standards and hypocrisy, like this is everything that she's talking about, about family
about, you know, morality, all these, this is the essence of Islam about building a society based on
		

			justice of good character manners, you know, so when you hear that, and then she's, and then the
whole thing about hating the veil, but Jesus is mother, she wore the veil, the job? Yeah, well, you
know, again, she experienced the painful, you know, divorce of her parents, which your father was
Saudi, and Muslim, and her mother was Swiss, and apparently non Muslim. And I think that really hurt
her. And of course, when you're a kid, you're going to identify with the parent that that's taking
care of you, you know, you have to almost, so I think she identified with that, you know, nine or
anti muslim side of her own family split. And
		

			so why does she hate the veil so much, and mischaracterize it is something that women are forced to
do, when in fact, in reality, for the most part he job is a voluntary choice that women make, to
express their spirituality and and their purity. It's a kind of a sin, it's a symbol that I'm a
spiritual impure being, you know, don't put your, your desiring eyes on me, you think the feminist
would actually like that, but for some reason, they seem to prefer it the other way. But But then
the irony here is that that family breakdown that she experienced, and that Patrick experienced in
it, so many kids from this generation are experiencing, this comes from the breakdown of the kind of
		

			morality that Islam is there to preserve. And so it's really the solution for these problems. And
these two people would be experiencing a lot less pain, if they had grown up in a genuinely pious
kind of Islamic meal you. So I just wonder how many people in this generation these young people
like this, who grow up kind of, you know, hating and into identity politics and decadence and
depravity or whatever they're into, and it leads nowhere are Sunday going to get out of the blue mat
and back towards the north out of the darkness back towards the light. And Nora here, she's a
candidate for that. So it's Patrick, you know, they both came from Muslim backgrounds. Now. They're
		

			Self hating Muslims, right? You know, there's a joke about the self hating Jews. Oh, if you don't
like Israel, you must be a self hating Jew. Well, I mean, the I don't know about that. But these two
are definitely self hating Muslims, they hate the Muslim side of themselves, and they've been
trained to and they've been brainwashed to hate the Muslim side of themselves, but by 911 by the
particulars of their divorce where the non Muslim parent gets custody and hate that darn Muslim dad
of mine, and, you know, it's it's, it's it's very, very sad. But there is that solution still there.
If people get back to that traditional God based morality, where there's actually a divine reason to
		

			be moral. If you're an atheist, there's no reason why it's better to be more than Mr. Really, right.
It's all the worlds of random accident. If you're pious, and you know that God actually is watching
and you're going to be judged. And you can feel that presence of a lot of the angels around you. You
have the best of reasons to be moral and virtuous. And when people are morally virtuous, their
families don't break up. And this kind of pain doesn't happen. Yeah. So wrapping up here. One more
thing I hate when they mentioned is
		

			you caught it in the interview. The term coffee, right? Yeah, they pronounce it kefir. Yeah, here's
the milk actually the probiotic milk that you Right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, obviously nerve in
London doesn't speak any Arabic. Yeah. She said. You're familiar with the term cast fear, like an
accentuating the word fear and the second syllable, it's quite quite telling. But yeah, she
obviously knows nothing about Islam. She doesn't she hates on it so much that she hasn't bothered to
learn about it. But this term that was coined because they try to translate that as infidel, which
there's this is, this is wrong, because coffin means to cover up the truth. ungrateful truth
		

			concealer, yeah, but this infidel was coined by the Christian Crusaders, right? Yes, that's the word
infidel. That's it. That's an English word that the Crusaders use. So they're projecting onto the
Muslims their own feelings. And then we advise, I mean, I sincerely humbly advise Patrick, he's read
so many books, read a good translation of the Quran, there's a clear quran.com you have so he
International, I don't know if you one particular you think is good. Same thing for her meet, go.
Visit a mosque, ask your questions, come to the source, you know, come and sit with Muslims. And
instead of creating this anxiety and fear and people, which is not going to create peace in the
		

			world, you just helping to
		

			create more problems. So you can set it beautifully.
		

			The cron is a healing effect. Read it right? And then what would you advise for Muslims out there?
Who have kind of gone away because God Almighty Allah tells us if a fasiq if he will do or someone
comes to you with this verify, check it up. Right. So we see the community is home and even many
Muslim scholars. I mean, how would you advise critical thinking, especially in this day and age?
Yes, that famous verse from the Quran is sometimes translated as ascertain the truth. Yeah, the
facet comes to you with alarming news ascertain the truth or you might regret what you did you know,
if you react the wrong way. And I think as Muslims, we should be regretting the fact that when the
		

			fast passuk media and the fast government came to us with this alarming news about Oh, the Muslims
just blew up the World Trade Center with a couple of planes, we should have ascertained the truth
before we went along with it, but most of us just sort of went along with it. We we shouldn't we
should we should be aware of that we're living in a society that is it's not an open, free democracy
with a free media. We're living in a controlled corporatocracy, or a plutocracy ruled by the rich,
they run the media, what you're getting in the media and the mainstream media is not anything even
remotely close to the real overall, you know, accurate reflection of what's really going on in the
		

			world is propaganda. Just like in the old Soviet Union, what we're getting here is really no more
accurate than what the citizens of the old Soviet Union got. They needed to get mimeograph to get
the truth. And today, we need alternative media websites to get the truth. So Muslims need to get on
this because we are. We're facing a digital of lies coming at us. And maybe we are in the end times
the years. And maybe it is the time of digital, I don't know. But it's we're certainly overwhelmed
by lies from official sources. And the people of the lie are opposed, you know, they hate the people
of the truth. And I think they recognize that, that real Muslims, people with who are genuinely
		

			faithfully practicing Islam are people of the truth and it's a threat to their agenda. And we want
to get into that threat to the bankers agenda of our opposition to the usury as Muslims. There are
so many reasons that Islam is a problem for these very powerful psychopaths who rule the world. And
we need to be aware of that and when these facts come to us with alarming news, we should ascertain
the truth. This is part of our Deen. It is so beautifully. Thank you so much, Dr. Kevin, for being
with us and sharing your thoughts with us on this
		

			New emergence of the new person has been propped up to create some hysteria and united so we kind of
dismantle that. Thank you. I really appreciate it. Well, thank you for your great work, where people
can if they want to find you more of you, my website is truth, jihad, calm, and I also write for
Crescent International, which is the best current affairs Muslim news magazine. Thank you so much
for God Almighty Allah bless you. Thank you.
		

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