The Deen Show – Joe Rogan on Israel – Palestine – This Needs To Be Heard #852

			The Joe Rogan, the Zionist thing is defined the difference between Jewish Jewish and Zionist. Okay?
Oh, there's so much in inaccuracy in that I was surprised if that's an example it shows he really
knows nothing about this issue. And let a propagandist go on and on and on.
		

			Assalamu alaikum greetings of peace. Welcome to the de Sham Edie, your host. And we got a very
important topic that we're covering with our special guest. Alison Weir is a freelance freelance
journalist, a activist, and someone who has dedicated her life to this topic, many would consider
her an argue that she's a scholar and academic in this area with a profound amount of knowledge. And
that's why we're bringing her on to help educate us
		

			on the issue of Palestine, and Israel, was bring on our special guest, Allison.
		

			Hello, thank you for inviting me. Thank you. We're honored to have you Allison, how are you doing
had my coffee? It's it's early here in San Francisco. And I'm very happy to be on your program.
We're very happy to have you. And Did I miss anything else? I think you covered it. I I've been
working on this for about 20 years now. 20 years. And your organization's name is if Americans only
knew. Yes. Well, the the official name is if Americans knew if Americans knew. Let's start with
that. I mean, that's a catchy title. Like if Americans knew what? Well, there's so much but the the
main thing is if Americans knew that we are involved in Israel, Palestine, that we are a central
		

			player in this issue. Most of us think oh, it has something to do with our Jewish friends, our
Muslim friends or so most Americans don't know that we're very involved in what they think is a
distant, confusing issue. So if Americans knew that we are very involved, that we give Israel much,
much over $10 million per day, the Joe Rogan.
		

			And if Americans knew what Israel is doing with our money, the injustice, the violence, the
oppression,
		

			the cruelty, then I think we would, we would demand that us policies change. So that's, I guess the
synopsis.
		

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the rest of the show Salaam like and don't forget to support us on our Patreon page, I want to get
your reaction we're gonna go to mainstream mainstream meaning you know, what's typically put out
there
		

			where people usually get and form their ideas. And then we're going to come back to actually where
you are at one point in your life, you know, the kind of understanding that you had. So I don't know
if you've ever heard of the Joe Rogan show? I've heard of that. Yes, I know. It's very famous. I
don't know much about it, though. It's a very famous program. So we're going to go ahead and get
your reaction to this topic that they're discussing. So if you want me to stop at any point, let me
know. But we'll continue on for at least a few minutes.
		

			Our experience, the Zionist thing is defined the difference between Jewish Jewish and Zionist. Okay.
Zionist is the idea of that the Jews have a right to national self determination. The Jewish check
you're going yeah, no, no, no, no, the Jewish longing to return to the land of Israel is something
that's like inescapable if you read the Bible, right? Like it's all over there, the whole idea of
and you can discount it discount God, whatever. The fact is, is that the Jews are a people that were
birthed sort of in this land, which we now call the Land of Israel. And they somehow and they were
expelled by the Romans around 2000 years ago. And then they came back to that
		

			Land, right? It's, it's like they defied the logic of history in doing that, because by all rights,
they were an indigenous group to that land, they were kicked out and expelled. And then they went
back 2000 years later, like, it's a crazy, extraordinary story. So leave that to one part.
		

			Zionism the way that I, the way that I think is the simplest definition is the belief in the Jewish
right to self determination. And it's the Jewish liberation movement. And so, in the, let's go back
to like pre 1948, which is the year that the State of Israel is established, and you have Jews in,
you know, pull in and all of these other places debating, like, what is the way that we can solve
our constant, just like the systemic oppression that we are constantly enduring? And there are all
of these different responses to that problem? one argument was the socialist argument, you know, if
we are the, you know, the anti capitalist argument, if the problem is capitalism, and if only we
		

			defeat capitalism, anti semitism will go away. Some argue that total assimilation was the right way
to solve it, we just need to kind of disappear as Jews. That's the only way we'll be fully accepted.
And another group, you know, which was not even the most popular group is this idea of, we need to
be able to determine our own fate. And the we will never be fully accepted. The only way that we can
determine our own fate, is if is this idea of us having our own state and our own army where we can
protect ourselves. And that is ultimately the idea that sort of wins out. So when you're having a
debate about, you know, when people say today, they're an anti Zionist, yeah, the reason that that
		

			is so problematic is they're not making that argument in 1920s, Eastern Europe, when the state
doesn't exist. It's one thing to be an anti Zionist, in theory, right? It's the same. The analogy I
like to make is, if we're a couple, and we want to have a baby, and we're debating, should we have
the baby? Can we afford the baby? Where are we gonna send the baby to school, all this stuff? That's
a totally moral argument to make. You can't make that argument of should we have the baby after the
baby is born, the baby is born, it exists, Israel exists. It's a place. It's not an idea. It's not
an abstraction. It is a place that contains the largest Jewish community on planet Earth. And so
		

			when people say that Israel doesn't have a right to exist, it's like, What are you talking about? It
exists? So what do you want? What so I asked the person that makes the anti Zionist argument? What
do you imagine will happen? Like, are you? Do you think that you're, you're advocating for genocide
right away, or, like, you have to have no sense of Middle Eastern history or politics, to make the
argument that you can be a minority in that region. without protection. We know what that looks
like, that looks like the story of these EDIS. It looks like the story of the Kurds. The story of
the Zoroastrians the story, frankly, of Christians who are going to be completely expelled from the
		

			Middle East within the next decade, which is a story no one talks about. So the anti Zionist
sentiment when people start talking about scientists with essentially talking about is Israel just
existing? Yes, they're anti Israel existing. Correct. Or Elsa? What are your thoughts? Oh, there's
so much in inaccuracy in that I was surprised I'd have I my impression had been very positive about
Joe Rogan, just the things I've heard about him. But if that's an example, it shows he really knows
nothing about this issue, and let propagandists go on and on and on, with misstatements without
questioning them, or bringing up any, any counter any real facts about it. So I ended up just having
		

			to take notes because almost every sentence she said was, was incorrect. If you'll give me a few
minutes, I'll try to go through this. And keep in mind I'm I'm not Arab or Muslim or Palestinian I'm
I have no family connections to any of those cultures. I'm not Jewish. So when I began to look into
this issue, 20 years ago, I was very sympathetic to Israel. That's the way most Americans are
brought up. We're very, we're acutely aware of the Nazis and what they did. I'm very sympathetic to
to Israel because of the news, because of the Nazis. And because of the news coverage that we've
gotten for decades. That's sort of like what we just saw now on Joe Rogan.
		

			So when I began to look into this, I was coming from a pro Israel perspective, but just wanting the
full honest picture. So the information I'll give you now is, is what I found not because I expected
to find it or wanted to find it. But this is what you discover when you actually look at the real
facts.
		

			Her definition of Zionism is is
		

			is quite a misrepresentation.
		

			The fact that Jews have the quote, right to self determination
		

			misses the point. What scientism has said is that Jews have the quote, right to self determination
on someone else's land. That it, they have the right to expel an entire population so that they can
take it over for a Jewish state. That's what Zionism was and what it remains today.
		

			So
		

			one could even question I'm not sure. Presbyterians have a right to their own state, or Zoroastrians
have a right to their own state or I'm not sure anyone has a right to their own state, just because
we exist, we have a right to exist. I think we have a right to try to bring up our children and
safety and, and to prosper. But Zionism Zionism was the claim that it was
		

			that Jews had the right and the need to take over someone else's land.
		

			What she leaves out is that when this movement began in the late 1800s, didn't begin in 1948. It
began, that was a political movement that began in the late 1800s. Most Jews around the world,
Jewish Americans, Jewish Jews in Europe, Jews in the region itself with Palestine, did not embrace
it. Most did not become Zionist. Quite a few actively opposed it.
		

			Now she talks about the Bible supposedly endorsing political science. No, it didn't. In fact, the
people who have been some of the most vehement against Zionism from the very beginning, were
observant religious Jews who considered this a heresy. Yes, Jews were expelled. They believe it was
this was done really by God.
		

			The Romans did it. But they feel that it was God's will, because they had broken commandments of
various types. They broken the covenant and therefore were expelled. This was the theology that was
prevalent at the time that Zionism began. And it's still held by many observant Jews. So this was
considered that they were not supposed to go back at the point of a gun. This was heresy. This was
not what the Bible decreed or said. So she's inaccurate about that. She's saying that they came
back, they came back. Well, I have ancestors, not fairly, much more recent than 2000 years ago, who
left parts of Europe who left Scotland, Wales, Germany, Poland, I don't feel I have the right to go
		

			back and take over those lands. And yet they're talking about people whose answer some of whose
ancestors left 2000 years ago. And by the way, many left voluntarily, yes, there was an expulsion,
but there were people that left after that. There were people that came back after that.
		

			So this is in this representation of history. I think it's also good to point out that not every
Jewish American Jew around the world has ancestry there. So even even that is, is, is inaccurate.
		

			She's calling it an indigenous group. Well, at the time that political Zionism began, the Jewish
population of Palestine was a little under 5% 80% of the indigenous population were Muslim.
		

			15% of the indigenous population were Christian.
		

			So this was a movement that planned to get rid of one way or another 95% of the indigenous
population, to intentionally get rid of 95% of the indigenous population, so that they could take it
over for an exclusively ethnic ethno religious state. That's what Zionism was.
		

			She believes she's saying it's the belief of Jews around the world. No, it wasn't most Jews in the
United States and we're, we're, we're Americans, we like it here. This is a good place for us. We're
not interested in going to someplace in the Middle East that we really feel no Connect of religious
connection, just as Christians feel a religious connection to Bethlehem, but we don't feel that we
have the right or, or, or even the desire to go and take over Bethlehem.
		

			So that's that was incorrect, as he implies that this started in 1948, when Israel did declare, did
unilaterally unilaterally declare that they were creating a Jewish state in Palestine.
		

			The way they did it, by the way, was was by warfare, a war of ethnic cleansing. As you know, people
		

			Very good. Jewish Israeli historian has a book called the ethnic cleansing of Palestine. He
documents very thoroughly, that this was a war of ethnic cleansing, that they expelled through
force.
		

			And at least three quarters of a million people out some, some have said it was 1 million, but it
was probably at least three quarters of a million people were expelled through this war of ethnic
cleansing. And an additional people were expelled in 1967. And since that time, so when when
scientists say they had the right to create a Jewish state, but they are saying, what they're saying
is that they had the right to forcibly expel men, women and children from their homes, from their
ancestral land. If anybody says, Israel has the right to exist, what they are saying, but most
people don't know this, scientists know it. But other people that say that don't know, they are
		

			saying
		

			that a political movement had the right to forcibly, cruelly, extremely violently expel a population
from their homes.
		

			I don't think anybody has the right to do that. I don't care who they are. I don't think that is a
right. In fact, I think it is our
		

			Sorry, I believe.
		

			I believe it's the world's obligation, anytime that occurs, no matter who's doing it, that it is our
obligation to oppose such injustice.
		

			So, you know, she's trying to say, anti, anti Zionist are, you know, she's implying they're anti
semitic, that this is wrong to be anti Zionist. What anti Zionist mean is that they support the
rights of all people to remain in their homes. They they support, the the universal belief of human
rights applies to all people. And the Palestinians are not an exception to those internationally
recognized rights. It is an internationally recognized right, that refugees have the rights, the
right to return to their homes.
		

			In wars, many people flee their homes. afterwards. They, they they have the right and most return to
their homes. When the United States defeated Japan, and for a while occupied it. We did not take
over the land. We did not expel Japanese and say now this is part of America. We've conquered it, we
get it. We didn't do that. One reason we didn't do that is it violates international law. You're not
allowed to do that. According to international law. We defeated Germany, we didn't take over Germany
say oh, this is now part of the United States. We we won the war we get it. That's not what we did.
That's not what is permitted. The only reason Israel has permitted to do it is because they have
		

			wielded massive power to
		

			to the United States. They, you know, might, according to them makes right. But in reality Mike does
not make right. That gets you let you get away with things at least for a while. But it does not
make it right or ethical or moral to do that.
		

			So I guess that's a short summary of this issue. While you really just dismantled all of her the
majority, what her arguments, would you be willing, if Joe Rogan sees this, and he's like, Okay, you
know what, I gotta be more fair and balanced. I really got to represent things in the right way. And
he reached out to have you on the program, would you be willing to come on to Joe Rogan show? I
would love to do that. And I think if he is someone who's attempting to be fair and honest, and my
impression has been that that's the kind of person he is. So if that's who he is, he would invite me
to come on. And I'd be very happy to do that. So I'm now in advance accepting an invitation if
		

			that's worked. There you go, Joe. You see we got the connection made. Allison is ready to be on the
Joe Rogan show to have a more fallot more balanced and healthy discussion on this matter. Tell us
Allison Another thing you talk about as we look at our country here our beautiful country here many
places in America look, you know, when you go down in certain places, they look war torn, you know,
homelessness, poverty, healthcare, education on many places, just, you know, the budget slow, we
don't have the money. But if we took tell us you talk about the extraordinary amount of money that
actually goes towards this movement out there. And how much of that money if it was allocated for
		

			these things I mentioned would actually solve the problems that we have at home.
		

			It's huge. I mean, that's one of the things when I started looking into this. I was shocked.
		

			I have discovered how much money we sent to Israel, it's my tax money. Normally we know these
things. You know, we don't know where all of our taxes go, of course. But when there's a huge part
of it, that goes somewhere, normally, we would all know that. It's known in the Middle East that,
that we give this amount of huge amount of money to Israel, but most Americans don't know it. As I
said, it's over $10 million per day, per day, that works out to something like $7,000 per minute, I
believe that was. And that's not all of it. That's just the money that goes to Israel. On top of
that are a lot of additional allotments, some of which go to Israel. But many go to other countries
		

			and other projects on behalf of Israel. our tax money was used to buy off the Egyptian government
from supporting Palestinian human rights. Our tax money has been used to buy off the Jordanian
government from supporting Palestinian human rights. There are other cases about that I wrote a
detailed article about it. So that those additional amounts come to at least $9 million per day. So
we're talking about now $19 million per day of American tax money on behalf of a foreign country.
		

			This is bizarre, it's it's eclipses the amount of money we've given to other countries through the
years. I don't remember the exact quantity that it has amounted to, and you always have to change
that into today's dollars. So it's we're talking about many billions of dollars, I think it may be
in the trillions. It's on our website. I don't remember the exact number right now. If people go to
if Americans knew.org, they can see all of these facts and the website is very trance, transparent,
you can click on things and find out where the source of that particulars this statistical effect
comes from. Can you share with us the typical day in life of Palestinians via Christian
		

			Palestinians, Muslim Palestinians, those people who live in that land that people don't understand?
You know, their day to day life and struggles that they go through?
		

			Wonderful question, because that's another thing. Even people that are now attuned to what just
happened in Gaza, I think it's over.
		

			It's not anywhere near over every single day. There's an excellent website, a news organization
called Im em, see, I'm actually going to it right this minute. So I can give you pretty much in real
time. What happened in the last 24 hours or days, weeks months? What happens that I saw this
personally, every day, Israeli forces invade Palestinian towns and villages every single day. This
isn't once every few years, the way the media says no suggests. It's happens every single day armed
soldiers go into somebody else's land, land that they're militarily occupying, but that's not their
land. And they beat people up. They abduct people, they injure people, they often destroy farmer's
		

			fields. They often destroy farmers, trees, they
		

			often it's fairly frequently they humiliate people, injure children, every so often, they kill
someone. This is what what daily life is like we made a video about it because we realized people
have no idea that this is even going on. Imagine, you know, imagine the where I live in in Northern
California.
		

			armed soldiers would come in and and parade around and save my house.
		

			control our movements, perhaps take take my son, that would be not unusual to imprison people for as
long as they wish without any charge whatsoever. Israel's is claimed to be the you know a democracy.
they violate democratic principles all the time. They hold people in prison without even charging
them for a crime. When they do find them quote, guilty it's usually by basically a kangaroo court.
So let's look at what happened I'm just going to scroll through the news reports from on via I am
the MC Palestinian Ramallah dies of his wounds from Israeli Aggression. Israeli troops demolish the
village of all
		

			our key village 488 time. This happened June 2.
		

			Israeli troops have ducked 17 Palestinians and pre dawn raids including a 13 year old
		

			And Israeli soldier shoots a 73 year old Palestinian woman in the village of yabai, southwest of
Germany and this is in the northern West Bank.
		

			500 new Israeli settlers which are actually Israeli colonists arrived in Palestine
		

			soldiers borders Palestinian land near Nablus, that's the northern West Bank that's Palestinian
land. They've now bulldozed it
		

			demolished attempt to barns and confiscated solar panels there Hebron that's in the West Bank. This
goes on and on and on. What website is this? What What news agency? is this? working? It's i m. e.
m. c.org. News. It's a International, international, Middle East Media Center
		

			where people can go, you won't find none of this on CNN or abc nbc? Hmm, no, this is going on every
day. It's documented every day. Why don't we see this on CNN, ABC, NBC mainstream media? Well, I
think there are several reasons. One reason is that mainstream media give gives us as really centric
reporting.
		

			That's the simple matter. They don't give us neutral reporting. They don't give us what I feel is
objective reporting. They, they they're very centered on Israel.
		

			The reporters in the region, the Associated Press, the oldest and largest news agency in the world,
		

			it's Bureau to cover this issue is in Israel, most of its staff members are Jewish and or is
release. So they have, I feel that they have a very, very biased way of reporting. There are some
exceptions, always there's, you know, every rule has an exception. So this isn't 100%. But that's
the basic trend. The other thing is that it's not the oddity of this is that
		

			people in the region that that includes journalists, know that this goes on every day. So to them
that's, you know, news is what happens that's unusual. So when there's a major, a major invasion of
Gaza, for example, that's news to them. Oh, that happens every day. Oh, then they abducted you know,
13 people, they shot a woman, they bulldoze people's land. That's not news because it happens every
day. So to them, it's not news because it happens every day. But to Americans, it would be news
because they have no idea. This happens every day.
		

			We're almost out of time. I just wanted to finish off with mentioning that you also talk about tell
us. I did a video talking about the Holocaust survivor, Dr. Gabor Mati. He's one example of a person
who is just speaking truth. He sees the many injustice that are going on over there. He's Jewish.
Just illustrating this point. This is not about being anti Jewish, anti Israeli, you also have my
friend, I consider Mikko pillet, I don't know if you've heard of him, he wrote the book called The
general sun you have, I've had Rabbi Weiss on the program, Orthodox Jew. And then you also have
people from the military there, and others who are protesting this, who refuse orders. So talk about
		

			this also, this, this element, that also the human element, because this is a human thing. You know,
when you see babies, you know, children being, you know, blown to pieces. I mean, just the if the
human don't doesn't come out to you, then what do you have left? Can you comment on this? Yes, I
think that's very important. It's
		

			there is there is dissent in Israel, there are soldiers that have refused to take part in what the
military is doing both high ranking soldiers and young soldiers. This has gone on for many years.
There are many Jewish Americans and Jewish people around the world who are actively and publicly
dissenting. Now in the United States, the Jewish establishment, every major national Jewish
organization, supports and advocates for Israel. That's the sad reality. You can go through the
list. We have the list on our website. So they try to portray it as as all Jews support and advocate
for what Israel is doing, which is a terrible thing to try to tell people because then when people
		

			see what is your did in Gaza, they're being told, oh, all Jews support that. And that is not the
case. The Jewish leadership, I'm sad to say
		

			does is they publicly advocate for Israel time after time, but that does not represent the whole
Jewish family.
		

			at all, and it never has.
		

			If someone wants to learn more, Joe Rogan wants to get in contact with you. He sees the program.
He's like, you know what? The human side kicks and he's like, I got to get to the truth. And he
wants to have an academic scholar in this area, someone like yourself on how can anyone get ahold of
you? Or to learn more, or Joe Rogan to you? I would love it to happen. Our website is if Americans
new.org if question, if Americans knew that org, contact information, is there an email address or
phone number? I also hope people will read my book. It's called against our better judgment. It's
available on Amazon. It's sold over 50,000 copies despite diverse efforts to suppress the book,
		

			we've, you know, it's been an Amazon bestseller in a number of categories. It goes into a history of
		

			the subtitle is what the top four title is, if the full title is against our better judgment, the
hidden history of how the US was used to create Israel. So this gate gives a background to this
issue that very few people knew.
		

			I it's fully sight sighted. In fact, the book is over half footnotes. So everything in the book, I
provide the source citation. I hope people will look at that if you don't remember the title. It's a
long one. If you go to if Americans new.org the book, you can there's a link to the book there.
		

			Thank you so much. God bless you. Thank you so much, Allison, for being with us here on the deen
show. Guy. we'll have you back again sometime. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Thank
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