The Deen Show – Female Christian Minister from Christianity to Islam #873

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The host discusses the importance of Jesus being a great prophet and the use of Hallelujah in their lives. They also talk about their past struggles with religion and the use of " degrees of peace" in Arabic language. They emphasize the importance of acceptance and finding one's way to be accepted. The host provides advice for those struggling with their faith and desire to become a Muslim.

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			All my life since I was young, and from what I was reading, I believe that Jesus was an amazing
prophet. He was a human. And it didn't make any common sense. How could Jesus be God was to believe
in Jesus so Alhamdulillah we believe in Jesus as one of the mightiest we believe in Jesus. We love
Jesus. I became an ordained minister. You became a Christian ordained minister. If for those that
don't know what Jen are, they're like, evil spirits. They call it the Bible, but then you got the
Kingsbury version. The Mormons have their Bible Jehovah Witnesses have theirs. Protestants have
theirs the Methodist have theirs.
		
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			Verses are missing. But there is this Quran that has never been changed by this last part when you
are going over this gave me chills La ilaha illAllah Muhammadan rather than la This is
		
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			Salam Alaikum and welcome to the deen show Meteor hole, subscribe if you haven't already, we got
another exciting episode. My next guests went from being baptized at a young age of nine
		
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			in the Methodist Church, to shortly after that, sometime later, being involved in the southern
baptist church, and then from there in a non denominational church. And at the same time being a
designated driver. Now for those of you that don't know that we're going to define these terms get
to know more of her story, to what led her to finally being here with us on the D show. With my next
guest, Karen hadisha. sinamay consistent with a commission on Peace be with you. How are you sister?
Oh, hamdulillah Al Hamdulillah. So that we get that right. At nine years old, you were baptized at
the Methodist Church. I was a first Christian as a Catholic.
		
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			And when I was a very young child, and so of course, we went to the Catholic Church, but
		
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			I kept searching. And then at the age of nine, yes, without my parents permission, I went to the
Methodist Church. And they were it shocked them that I became baptized in the Methodist Church.
		
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			So then how did you end up in the southern baptist church? The way I grew up, it was you go in the
military, or you get military, married military. So
		
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			at the time, I had a boyfriend and so I got married. He was military, of course. But he was he was
Baptist, Southern Baptist. And so that meant basically, we're going to Baptist, I tried to go to the
Methodist Church a little bit, but you know, when you, you follow your husband's route, and then
every year basically because military, we moved, what's the main difference between the Methodist
Church that you started off with, and then the Southern Baptist Church was one of the main main
differences. There's really not much main differences, um, they're more heavy, you want to put
		
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			I felt more open in a Methodist Church that I was in a Baptist Church, you know, you had to follow
and this is the way it was. And don't ask the questions, and you're blindly following like sheep,
that's what I would call it. That's for which one the Southern Baptists, the bat, the Baptist, um,
Baptist were a little bit more strict than the Methodist, Methodist is more open.
		
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			And I think what they do well, for me, in the in the Methodist Church, it was, they tried to change
things to make it completely acceptable for everybody, not just the way it should be, as far as
straightway.
		
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			And they put a lot of both of the churches
		
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			put a lot of their opinion, you know, how you pick pieces and parts from the Bible, and then they
make their, their opinion or story to get their point across. But in most cases, what they're
picking out. That's not what it means.
		
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			And from there, you you end up so but the creed is pretty much the same, that Jesus, the belief that
Jesus is part of a trinity a triune on the cross, and that that's you had to go through Jesus before
you could get through anything else. And if you didn't believe in Jesus, then you were going to
*. I just didn't understand that. Because to me all my life since I was young, and from what I
was reading, I believe that Jesus was an amazing prophet. He was a human. And it didn't make any
common sense. How could Jesus be God? It just, and very young age, I just didn't understand it. And
that meant and led to a lot of arguments and basically that I was a bad child.
		
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			Because I wouldn't believe the way it was the way we were supposed to be raised. And even when I
became a Muslim it was I was a traitor to my religion, to my family and to the traditions and the
cultural. So it was a big, a
		
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			big shock to my family. Um, but to me, I came it, it brought me peace. And that's what I was
searching for was peace in my life. And understanding because the questions that I had, they started
being answered.
		
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			You know,
		
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			now, did you say this term a lot in both churches or just one or the other? No, I mean, this term
hallelujah. Is this familiar with you? Hallelujah. Love that, um, all the time. Yeah. I've sang in
the choir. I love singing. I think that was some of the things that
		
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			that worried me as I came into Islam. I know now that being a Muslim is between
		
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			me and Allah and
		
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			a different terms. But yes, that was the reason I say that is because I say Hallelujah, or
Alhamdulillah which just means hamdulillah which means all praises to the created observe God
Almighty Allah, that because you said earlier, that you will end up the only way to receive
salvation or to get to paradise or what you said was to believe in Jesus so Alhamdulillah we believe
in Jesus as one of the mightiest we believe in Jesus, we love Jesus. People don't seem to
understand. They don't seem to understand that Jesus is is also number one in our lives. You know,
we do believe in Him, we believe in his miracles and what he did and what he came for and what he
		
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			stood for. And Messiah will come back and which he will
		
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			but in his time, there's nobody knows what happened, you know, only and
		
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			so, but forced
		
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			you know, every time you turn if you disagreed with church, you were going to l didn't understand
that. Yeah, many people don't know that if you reject in Islam submission to the Creator, not the
Christian if you reject belief, if you deny Jesus or say any derogatory thing against him peace, we
say peace be upon him. That's how you can get to the Hellfire by disrespecting Jesus, but we love
him as a mighty messenger. But we respectfully say that he never claimed to be God, a part of God.
He wasn't part of a trinity he called people to worship the one and only crater the heavens on earth
the same way Abraham Moses in Alaska, fundamentally, Prophet Mohammed, worship the Creator. So 100
		
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			law, so you go from the Methodist Church to the Southern Baptist Church, and then you find yourself
in a non denominational church.
		
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			Yes, um, so I kept searching. Um, like I said, I always had questions. And at the same time,
something just kept, you know, even though you're going through life, and doing work and raising
children, and there was just pieces were missing, and I wanted to find those. And so with all the
fighting that churches do between each other, that one religion is better than theirs. Um, I then
went to a non denominational church, and I started studying with them, and they basically didn't
care what your belief was. They just wanted you to be a member.
		
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			And so I would do some articles I would write, I would do more studying.
		
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			I went to their little seminary schools. And
		
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			it turned out that basically, you know, the more I became an ordained minister, and I thought, Hey,
I like this, you know, I'm an ordained minister, I have a little have a little card still somewhere
in my office, saying, Reverend Carolyn, and
		
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			so that felt I was almost you know, I felt like I was there and I was done. And then I think it was
a little bit time after that just something kept questioning myself, like something was missing. And
so
		
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			at the same time, I think I stepped back because I called myself an independent spiritualist.
		
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			Because whenever I tried to talk about God and tell people look, God wants you to be with him. He
wants you to thank him. That's the number one thing and that's, to me thanking him as worshiping
him.
		
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			But he, you know, allow his kind he's not what I grew up with. of,
		
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			you know, how do you want to say it, he always was needed to fear him. I mean, really fear him to
where you were scared to death of him. And Allah is so amazing. He's so merciful, so forgiving, and
yeah, we make mistakes.
		
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			We're human we're not perfect and but if we recognize and try to grow closer to him and recognize
our faults and work on those faults and try to be a better person, that's what Allah wants to see.
And so like I said I became an ordained minister I would go talk to people and I think a lot of it
was the way I was living and then all of a sudden
		
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			and this is where you were talking about designated driver. I had a best friend from high school
that I've known her for 30 years and every time I turned around she wanted to go out and I was just
not a person who I don't know I just I didn't feel comfortable going out
		
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			um, she wanted me to dress up she would do my makeup she would do my hair and I just you know you're
out there flaunting yourself you know and I always felt self conscious about myself and
		
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			so when we would go out of course, I guess I'm the responsible one. She would do all the drinking
and then I would always be worried and so I would be the designated driver for whoever was in the
group to make sure everybody got home safe
		
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			yeah many people haven't heard that term or if they haven't designated driver as soon as you say
that that means there's gonna be some drinking involved there's gonna be some part partying
		
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			and and the when the memories from all of that just
		
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			I mean I don't know if you want to say they were what we call good times if you're going out
partying all the time.
		
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			But you're just you don't there's a lot of stuff you don't remember um, and drinking just you know
just I don't know it just didn't I've tried it I've done it but I'm just not into it. You know, I
just it just kept something inside me kept bothering me. Yeah, just imagine how many lives just what
you said just stood out you know there's a lot of things I don't remember how many women men how
many people just blackout and then they end up you know, being raped molested you know taken
advantage of because of that alcohol Islam protects you from that so obviously Muslims don't even
have a sip of it. And I suppose to, or man, he does something, you know, that he's not supposed to
		
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			do because he's intoxicated, right? And then he just loses his whole life. Right That's has in front
of him because he got involved in these things that the crater out of his love told us to stay away
from one of those things. And that's something
		
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			something about alcohol, you just can't have one. Um, and it's it when it gets to you, it just, I
have you want to say it's sexually in
		
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			and you just you keep drinking, and then you don't realize, and then until it's too late and pass
outs and throwing up all the time. And, you know, that's just what I mean, in all reality. Is there
really any fun into that? I'd rather be playing a game of cards and doing things with my family. And
my friends that are my sisters, the Islamic sisters I have now. We have picnics, we have get
togethers, and we have an enjoyable, free time that and we talked about the Quran we talked about a
law that, you know, you remember from time on, it's something that you you'll remember and you grow
with some actual positive bonding. Tell me what this term that you use, ordained minister, so you as
		
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			a woman, you became a Christian ordained minister? Yes. Yeah. tell it how did how did that happen?
Um, well, actually, um, when we were doing the seminary, I've always felt like I belonged to Allah.
Um, since I was a little girl, and I was very fascinated with nuns. I don't know why.
		
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			But
		
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			I just for some reason, I just when it was offered to me, I said, Yes. I thought that would be an
exciting step. I thought that would be the last step I didn't need. I had no idea. Out of all the
religions that I studied.
		
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			I never studied about Islam, which was the funny part out of it. Because the Christian church don't
they don't acknowledge it. I mean, now in today's society, Yes, they do. But back then No, they did
not.
		
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			Tell Tell me now as a ordained minister, you obviously you had some questions still you were
concerned about the Trinity used to call Jesus peace be upon him a wonderful prophet. So how was it
were you still battling with that because now you're in a higher position or ordained minister, but
now you're having trouble with you know the basic, this is the creed. This is the
		
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			foundation of the religion does Trinity right? So then how are you going through this calling him a
wonderful Prophet, which actually the Bible calls him a prophet. We believe he was a messenger a
prophet. So how did you battle between these two? And then when you went to some of your seniors or
people, some of the people in the church to question him about some of these questions you had, what
kind of response did you get? Well, questioning about it was one of those things where you believe
it or not, and that's it, it was taboo, you just didn't talk about it. Um, it's one of those things
where Yes, I did battle and I, you know, I battled with it for a long time, even though I became
		
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			ordained. It was the fact that I was like, well, maybe I am wrong, maybe I'll just accept it. I just
give up and just go with the flow.
		
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			That's what kept good making me go. I didn't want to go with the flow.
		
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			Because you know, you talk about it, and you listen, you're like, I just really, you know, in your
head, you're like,
		
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			but on the outside, you're like, oh, okay, yeah. And you wouldn't talk you would, you would skip
around those questions, so that you didn't have to get deep into it. Because if I went to go get
deep into it, I'd really sit there and say, okay, excuse me, wait a minute, how do you get the
Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost is one. It doesn't make any sense. I remember I studied one time
with the Mormons. And they said, Will you accept this? And I said, I have a question for you. And I
know, it sounds silly. The first thing I said was I said, Okay, so you believe in the Father, the
Son and the Holy Ghost. I said, Who's to say that the Holy Ghost is not a woman. And you should have
		
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			seen their faces, they just like, like, I must have said something really, really bad or something?
And
		
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			they're like,
		
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			okay, but how does? I mean, I can understand. When you do something, you become one, but you're not
actually one. So it's just like a symbolism part. But
		
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			God is God.
		
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			And Alhamdulillah.
		
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			I use the term God. When I'm around my friends, of course, and they're mostly Arabic, it's a law.
But when I speak to a lot of people that are not Muslim, I use the word God because people are
scared to death of, I guess Arabic language. I don't. I don't understand how that one but I tried to
explain to them that a lot is his name. That's one of his names. You know, let me just take a moment
and define some of these terms for the non Muslims, non Muslims who are coming in Muslim is simply
one who has chosen to freely submit to the creator to heavens and earth, the same God that Jesus
worshiped Abraham, Moses in the last fundamental problem 100 peace be upon him, and all of them. And
		
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			Allah, like you said, Jews and Christians who are Arabic speaking, they use the term Allah, and the
sister language to Arabic is Aramaic, and that's the language Jesus spoke. So when you heard this
term, a law now you freely use it. And when you even in the Bible, in the Arabic language, Allah is
mentioned 17 times around in the first page and in the book of Genesis. So this is not an
Encyclopedia Britannica. talks about Jesus calling on God by Allah, Allah. Allah, Allah him, you
know, and Hebrew. So this English language didn't exist back then. So how would they have called God
this is just something to think about. But when now when you started to learn about this word, Allah
		
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			when you started to use it, how was it at that time, you know, the impression that you are getting
How was how did you make that transition to what you knew about Allah before? And what you are
learning now? And was it easy to understand, actually, it was kind of nice that I finally had a
name. Because when you say, God, a lot of times, people don't realize that it's one they you know,
so did you say God, they think Jesus, um, and I tried to get people to understand the term a law
that that's one of his names, and to call him that, and it all it is, is God in Arabic.
		
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			As far as the transition,
		
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			I felt more at peace with myself, because I felt like I was getting closer to him, because now I
have a better connection.
		
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			Because when I sit down and pray, and you're Allah, that's it's me, you know, talking to Allah.
Personally.
		
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			There is this infomercial that's being put out, and it's by a Christian organization. And what
they're doing is they
		
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			They're putting on portraying a woman who used to be supposedly Muslim. And now one of the talking
points she has this is like, now when someone goes on YouTube, it's one of those commercials that
pops up. And I've seen this quite a few times. So one of the talking points is that, she says that,
oh, I fell into this, this and that, and all this bad stuff, but I didn't know who to turn to. And I
was trained or taught that a law is just so like, you know, angry and he had just sold, there's no
forgiveness front with a law. And then I have to turn to Jesus. And what would you say to so because
you mentioned earlier, how merciful Allah is, and this is one of the misconceptions that many
		
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			people, you know, falsely put out there, what would you say to someone like that?
		
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			I would say she's did a lot of searching within herself. Um, I think that she's following other
people and what they say because she's got
		
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			a resentment, um, you know, in this religion, it's a personal thing between you and Allah. And when
you and yes, there are times that you can get angry with a law, because you're not getting the way
that you want your life to go. And acceptance is the number one thing, but
		
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			when you follow Him, and it's, when you put him number one, first in your life, he is so merciful,
the miracles that are around here, um,
		
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			you know, he, you just a lot of people don't see him. And I would say that, either Gen, which are,
		
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			if for those that don't know, what Gen are, they're like, evil spirits, or shaytaan, which is the
devil is enticing her to go a different direction, and keep her and we will all be tested. That's,
you know, that's, that's expected, you can't sit there and think that you go into another change of
lifestyle.
		
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			Another religion and not think that you're not going to get tested a lot, it says he will test the
best of those, that he tests those that he loves him. And the ones that he you know, you The closer
you get, the more tests you're going to have.
		
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			And when bad things happen to me, the first thing I say to myself, because you know, you get you get
agitated, you're human, you're gonna get agitated and irritated. And I can sit in my car, and I say
you're a law, I, you know, and I realize that something that came through my head that the shaytaan,
or Jen is there. And the first thing I say to myself is, you know, this is a test, this is a test of
my faith. And I'm not going to let go of a law, I don't care how much I get tested, I'm still going
to be a Muslim, I'm still going to be with Islam. Because I found that's what is in my heart now.
And when I do that, it's like, all of a sudden, it dissipates. You know, because it's like, I think
		
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			the shaitaan is always gonna be there. But God is there first. So I would say to her that she needs
to really do some searching on herself, and understand why she's so upset with Allah.
		
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			Tell me the next transition of your story in this timeline. So we went from the different churches,
non denominational, you've been ordained minister, and then you've ended up meeting a Muslim woman,
is that right? And then from there, that was the fun part. And then most interesting part. So this
girl that I was always the designated driver for and we would go out and she would get drunk, and we
will go party, and that's how she wanted to always live. she happens to show up one night, and we
were supposed to go out that night, and she turned around, she says, Oh, I found somebody that looks
and acts just like you. And I said, Let's, and I said, What do you mean acts like me? She says, oh,
		
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			the one you never want to drink. You don't want to party. You don't want to dress up. She says, so I
found somebody like you, but she just wears this scarf around her head. And I said, Really? And I
perked up. And I said, Hmm, I'd really like to meet this young lady. And she was like, oh, okay, so
then we went out party came home. And a couple months later, I kept bugging her I would call her and
I said, Have you have you talked to that girl? And she says, Oh yeah, we'll get time to meet up and
then all of a sudden we finally got time to where all of us because she was in nursing school. And
		
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			we all sat down one day to meet and
		
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			she I went and told her, all the stuff that had happened through my life, about how I kept
searching. She opened up the Quran.
		
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			It was an Arabic and English for
		
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			She started pointing some things out and she looked at me and she says, she says, you know, with a
laugh, she says, You know what she says, All your life. You have been living
		
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			like a Muslim. I said, No, I have not. What are you talking about? She says, No.
		
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			The good deeds that you do the kindness, wanting to search for a law, praying, coming closer to him,
being nice and being good, and just being a caring person.
		
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			The good that was being done, that's what she
		
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			turned around. And so I said, Well, you know,
		
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			what is a muzzle? What? How do you become one? Because, you know, I was like, okay, what's going on
here? And she just ran she says, you just have to say the Shahada. I said the Shahada what what in
the world is that? And she says, was la he Lucha Illallah, Muhammad and resolute LA. And I was like,
okay, English, please. And she turned around, she says, the fact that there is only one God,
		
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			and that Muhammad peace be upon him, is the last messenger.
		
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			And when you accept a law as one, and the messenger is this last prophet who came for all of
mankind, not just
		
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			a certain tribe, because if you look in the Bible, every prophet that showed up,
		
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			came for a specific tribe back in those days.
		
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			And she says, you know, as a will do, you just she says, you'll know, when you're ready, she says,
but it's good when you feel it, to accept the Shahada. Because from them, you start off like a new
baby, and your sins are forgiven. And you start from there. And then you learn to change your
lifestyle even more, and for the good. And so I thought that was kind of cool. And we finished right
then in there, and she went home and her way, and then I, of course, now I'm really into the
internet. I'm looking some stuff up. And a couple days later, I met up with a friend who
		
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			a brother that I didn't know was a brother at the time. And he was a friend of my father. And well,
when my father had passed away, he like took over. You know, if I ever needed to have somebody to
speak with, we would sit down, have coffee, and then sit down and speak. And so I sat down with him
over at the coffee shop, and I turned around I said, You're not gonna believe it. So I explained who
I met, what I was saying what I thought and then I told them, I said, you know what I was thinking,
I said, last night, I between me and Ulla, I went and said the Shahada, I really believe
		
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			that this is the right direction to go. And that's when he looked at me and he says, Welcome home,
and I said, What does that mean? Welcome home, he says,
		
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			Mashallah, you finally got here? And I said, Dude, what? What are you talking about? He says,
		
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			I'm a Muslim. I said, What? I said, So for the last 1015 years, I've known you with my father,
you're a Muslim? And he said, Yes. And I said, Well, why didn't you tell me anything about this? And
he said, You have had so much going on in your life, and so many different struggles, that I didn't
want to confuse you even more, and bring something else into your life until you were ready. And he
says, We don't it's it's not compulsion. We don't force people to come into Islam. This is something
that you want, you have to want it. And I was like, I'm not being forced. That was, you know, I was
like, You mean, you didn't talk to me because you thought I would before he says, No, you when
		
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			you're a Muslim, you come in freely, none of us are forced to come be a Muslim, even a Muslim born
Muslim, is not a Muslim until they take the Shahada.
		
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			And just because, you know, and that's something I learned through time.
		
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			But, yeah, it was so interesting to see that's how now I understood where all his patients came
from, and why he was the way He always was very quiet, very wise, in his words, and he will always
think, before he did things. So how far after how far long after that conversation with him? Did you
actually officially accept Islam? Well, I went to the the, we have this small little Islamic Center
in Fort Walton Beach, and about a month later, exactly, October 11 2011.
		
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			I publicly came out and said the Shahada and I at first I didn't understand why. And then I realized
after they explained it to me, yes you, it isn't a religion between you and Allah. But when you come
out publicly, and you say it in front of the other people that are in the measured, they now know
that you are Muslim. And you everybody gets taken care of
		
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			when you become a Muslim, they now like said, it's it's a, it's one big family, I have met so many
Muslims around the world that if I had a lot of money and could really travel, I would have a place
to stay everywhere.
		
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			Just, you know, because they're, they become family.
		
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			And it's amazing. And it's not going to always happen for everybody. You're going to have everybody
goes through their own stages. But
		
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			there was just like a piece once I came out public and, and realize, wait a minute, I am a Muslim, I
accept this. You know, because sometimes when you do things in hiding, it's just between you. But
when you come out public,
		
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			you're admitting publicly that yes, I am a Muslim. And I'm not scared to say it. Um,
		
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			so that was one of the most amazing days
		
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			in my life that I had
		
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			just a couple more questions before we're out of time. So just for the for the audience that just
like saying, look, I am one who has chosen to submit my will to God Almighty, the creator Allah that
says, there's something wrong with that you have a problem with that. I mean, most people who are
conscious, you know, who believed in the Creator, the heavens and earth, they will say, No, that's a
great thing, right? But that's what just that one word Muslim. That's what it means. And it
encapsulates me saying this whole long sentence of what I just said. So it's made simple, it's made
easy. So what was it when you contrast now from going from Methodist Church, Baptist Church,
		
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			nondenominational or being ordained minister, all of the things in the confusion, like many people
struggle with the Trinity. They struggle with God being a man, you know, and they love this pure
monotheism to toe heat, as we call it in Islam, that you only worship one and only God, the Creator,
the one who created creation, but not his creation that he created. No, that makes sense and being
morally upright. And then if anybody reads the Quran sincerely humbly looking for the truth, the
signs are there, there's so many miracles in the Quran, what was it that stood out that you
remember, that did it for you, when you contrast what you're upon before? And finally, what did it
		
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			for you that you finally said, No, no, this is the truth.
		
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			What did it for me, um,
		
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			and part of me felt when I you know, even though I had transferred over to being a Muslim, um, I
still was still searching. And
		
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			I shut down my business, which I do not ever recommend to any of the sisters, if you ever have
business, and I put a leap of faith, I said, you know, what, if this is if this is real, I'm taking
the leap of faith, I'm dropping everything. And
		
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			I wanted to show that I wasn't, I guess, materialistic, because I had a lot of material things. And
		
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			I don't I, I left and I went to Egypt. And things happened over in Egypt. And then I met the sisters
over there and started really learning
		
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			the the kindness of the people, that was given to me,
		
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			just really opened up the doors, and understanding the Quran even more, that you can't just you
know, you just can't take one ayat, you have to understand above and below
		
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			and that there are time periods within the Quran
		
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			that are to be used, yes into this lifestyle, but we also have to remember when the Quran was wrote.
So it's a way of life. You know, it's a guide, and that was right there. And like I told my mom a
long, long time ago, you show me the true Bible and something that was actually written by God and I
will follow you
		
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			and my mother could never do that. And then there's so many different Bibles out there that you
don't know which one really is the right one. You either so many versions
		
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			Every religion always has all their, you know, the, they call it the Bible but then you got the
Kingsbury version. The Mormons have their Bible Jehovah Witnesses have theirs. Protestants have
theirs the Methodist have theirs
		
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			verses are missing, but there is this Quran that has never been changed.
		
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			And Mashallah to have so many people to memorize that. And that's when the sisters had told me that
it would be best to be married. And when I met my husband, he was reciter but he knew so much about
the Quran is
		
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			when I was learning more and more of how to say the words correctly, um,
		
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			the fact that it has not changed.
		
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			That's just amazing miracle in itself.
		
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			You took away the Quran totally 100% right now.
		
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			And it could be totally rewritten in the exact same words. Because everybody has memories so easy to
memorize. It takes a little bit ness and people will tell you that learning Arabic is hard. And I
told them you know what, it might be hard. But if Allah wants you to do it, it's in your heart It's
going to be easy.
		
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			And so
		
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			to see something to give to have a Quran that's never been changed that's what turned that that's
what showed me that you know what, this is real. This is and I studied our Prophet peace be upon him
his life and the way he treated people and the way he did things and how he lived that
		
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			the humble
		
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			was just that I think was all the turning points
		
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			Wow, that just started last part when you were going over just gave me chills you know, shot a wave
of like electricity through my body just these chills like hearing you know, this, this miracle that
many, many of us take for granted. It's amazing, like the way you explained it coming from you an
ordained Christian minister. And now you're on the program and you're talking about this, it's just
100 Laughter But I mean, thank you very much. Thank you very much. What um, last closing comments
and advice for many Muslims, you know, just look, you're now coming from the way of life that you
were upon before you really searched and searched and were guided to this Dean, his way of life,
		
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			this beautiful way of life. And, you know, you're wearing dressing like Mary, the mother of Jesus
wearing the hijab, we got a lot of Muslim struggling, you know, to make prayer, taking the dean for
granted when you see that, like, what do you want to say to such people who are born maybe you know,
some family, but they're taking their Deen, you know, they're this way of life for granted. What
advice do you give them? Um, the most advice, and it took me a while to learn this. I would hear it
all the time. I'm Shelly Lisa. I'm from our Destin.
		
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			area. He always and I thought at first when he said the word that he just didn't know the answer.
		
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			But his one word was the biggest and the wisest answer that anybody could give patients. It's not
gonna happen overnight. You're gonna have tests, you're gonna have trials. When you come closer to a
law, Shakedown does not like it. And
		
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			it's, it's like a battle, because he's losing
		
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			a body, a soul. And now you're getting closer to a law. But if you realize, with just a little bit
of patience, and when things happen if you could just breathe slowly Breathe in and let it back out
and realize that this is a test.
		
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			Allah is going to be with you all the time.
		
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			It states in there that Allah will not give up on you. The only way Allah gives up on you is when
you give up on a lot. And so the number one thing is patience.
		
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			Take it slow.
		
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			Study, what you can question everything if you can.
		
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			And if somebody turns around and mentions a Hadeeth, or mentioned something in the Quran, say, Hey,
what's the ayat? What Hadeeth number go look it up.
		
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			Because when you look it up and you read it, and it's there, that's when the justification comes in
and realizing wait a minute that maybe I should do a little bit more that direction, or wait a
minute, go closer to a law this direction. You know, put a law first and remember your
		
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			You're going to be tested
		
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			beautiful. Thank you so much for spend some time with us here on the show sharing your story. May
		
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			I run army? Well yeah.
		
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			And thank you guys for being with us here on the D show. This is such a wonderful story. I hope you
got to enjoy it like I did. You know, just seeing people who have come from all different walks of
life, ways of life religions, and there's doubts there. Things don't make sense. They don't add up.
And then they start to question they don't get the answers. But Islam has all the answers. So if
you're going to someone and they're not giving you the answers, go to the next person be humble, be
sincere, be genuinely looking for the truth and God Almighty, the creator Allah will guide you and
that's the first place I always leave my audience with is within yourself. Ask ask the Creator,
		
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			because it can be daunting, you would think confusing, there's so many different religions which one
is the right one? But you got to ask yourself,
		
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			everything has an expiration date and I will also and I'll die
		
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			we have a departure date so I better get it right everything has a purpose. What about me? What's my
purpose in life? And then start to do this little small thing every day. Ask the creator within
yourself, guide me guide me guide me What is my purpose? What do you want from me? The one who
created me, guide me to the truth. And then look into Islam sincerely read the Quran. Connect with
some Muslims forget about everything you've been told all the nonsense all these doubts that have
been fired your way to create to confuse you. Look and search for yourself. read the Quran, go to a
mosque, connect with a Muslim and ask those questions and see the answers that come to you and if
		
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			you're genuinely sincere, a whole new world of goodness will open up God Willing we'll see you next
time. Subscribe if you haven't already. Here on the de show. Peace be with you a salaam aleikum