Taha Karaan – 14 – Ameerul Mu’mineen Ali Ra
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The history and rebellion of Islam during the early stages of the Islam, including the deaths of certain individuals and the loss of unity among various groups, were discussed. The use of false information and accusations of bias towards Iran was highlighted, along with the importance of education to avoid domesticated national unity. The speakers also emphasized the need for education in order to pass on lessons learned from past events, particularly in regards to the use of nuclear weapons.
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First and foremost, my apologies for
a somewhat late arrival.
The previous weeks it was always your fault this week is my fault.
We have come in our discussion to
the hill of say North Mongolia Lauryn Hill, and we are now in the hill I've seen I've never thought he probably alone from the year 3536 up to the 40 year period of about four or five years. So now we've never thought he was the halifa at the head of affairs of the Steam Community of the oma and during that time, we noticed that
the movement that was there in the oma had always been a letter. It has been a linear movement. It had been the oma had been moving forward. Islam has been spreading all the time.
Conquering New Territories new people entering Islam, the land controlled from Medina, the landmass was growing larger and larger. The people who are entering the faith of Muhammad Sallallahu wasallam were increasing steadily. And then came the calamitous events that led to the death of Satan among all the yellow anew at the hands of those mothers in Medina. And so even Oliver Vitaly rhodiola han who takes over the reins of leadership of the soma at a time of great upheaval, great instability, great obscurity.
a situation where you don't know whether what you are seeing is actually what you are seeing. You don't know whether the person standing by your side is with you in mind and heart or is he not? And all of this on account of a conspiracy, so exquisitely woven, that it even led to confusion within the minds of the serious Sahaba while the Allah on whom Allah has married.
In this manner, it comes about the three different wars are fought in a time of Satan are leaving the Vitaly while the Alonzo and the Muslim oma finds itself divided
in three different groupings in the middle, there is the mainstream and also novel jamara that particular group with Rasul Allah sallallahu Sallam had predicted already that there will always be a group that will remain upon Huck, they will come winds of adversity, they will come instances of division and diversion from our ultimate objectives, but they will always remain one particular group that will remain upon her. And that is the people who are up on Manali. He was happy, those who follow what I mean sallallahu wasallam says what I'm upon and that which means the hobbit on the love on whom are upon.
And then to the two extreme that was in the middle to the one side there was a certain group
that took the personality of Satan earlier of the long haul and placed it on such a pedestal that it even outstrips the ranks of the Gambia, sometimes even seeking to equate his rank without Allah Donna declared him God incarnate, there was a group as well. No one denies that. Even the she I do not deny there were those in the lifetime of Alvin Vitali who raised the status to such an extent that
he himself had to declare himself
free and dissociate himself from any such ideas. The same particular group.
It exhibited a number of different kinds of ideas, different tendencies, there was a one who went to regard him as an ILA, there were others, who regarded him purely as of the Sahaba the best amongst us the harbottle the Alo on whom, without saying anything negative about the rest of the Sahaba. Then of the same group again, they were those who the Guardian, not just as base of the Sahaba but the one divinely appointed by Allah tala.
Take over the reins of the oma after the death of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam as a divinely appointed Imam, and that has become mainstream Shiism. Within Judaism, there are all these various different ideas, they are those that would regard Allah will call him as a God as a honey Shia do up to the present day, they are those that would regard him purely as
an Imam appointed slow human appointed by law, but with a rank that goes beyond the ranks of the Gambia, and even Salaam again, and all those there will be
those who associate this kind of position with him, but then start executing and speaking ill of the Sahaba, the Allahu anhu.
That was one extreme on the other extreme, there was another group.
On that extreme, there was a group
that was a direct offshoot of the efforts of Abdullah and Saba. The first group was also the offshoots of the of the efforts of Abdullah and Saba those that would raise aluminum metallic to certain pencil, Abdullah in southern efforts led to the spreading of a certain idea that we sit in judgment of our rulers, we decide when a ruler is good, and when he is not good, we decide what is right and what is wrong. And when we feel that something is wrong, we take the initiative into our own hands, we march a believer can kill the halifa. If we feel that something is not right, that the halifa is acted wrongly meaning he doesn't do as we feel as we feel should be done. This was an
anarchist and less than 10 society anarchy chaos, a group that says that we decide when something is wrong and then we step up to the to the issue and we do what we feel should be done. The perspective of the scene in a particular perspective, there seems to be melody in this idea. There's a group that does the running. The problem is that this group eventually things in their opinion, superior to the opinions of who of the main train by Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam are those men who spend time in the company of Allah sallallahu Sallam way, in Makkah, thereafter in Medina, in burger in Ohio, in honing in all of these battles, these late comers to Islam would now be the ones who
say, what do they know about Dean we know better. We know better about the rainbow. If we have Justice halifa to become a martyr with Justice Scalia to be a criminal with judges califa to be x y&z then we will do what deserves to be done to him of the live and southern efforts led to these two streams of ideas within society. On the one hand, the one that says the unknown bait, and ahead of them Alec, everybody will have special rights, special status, special privileges. On the other hand, another group that says forget Sahaba forget, forget anyone else. It's our opinion that counts. What we say is right is right what we say is wrong is wrong. And we will take matters into
our own hands as we see fit.
In the second battle, they say knowledge in the first battle is in an interview, volume 40, it was against home, it was against so today I shall say Nepal has innovated on the Allahu anhu in their followers outside of the city of Wasilla. That battle, as explained more than once before was never intended to have been a battle was never intended to have been a battle. It was again on the count of the internal
machinations of urban legend Southern his particular group, that it eventually came out to be a battle. That battle was started
by those parties who saw that if soldier comes about between these two parties, then we have failed in our task. And therefore they set about the surreptitious attacks on either side to the other in order to start to kickstart this war. And this war started last the entire day. At the end of that day, they were the bodies of the Sahaba bodies of hundreds of Muslims lying around,
having become victims of that particular battle. On that day, now those elements will come to the fore. Now one element comes and says that
these people are so far we afford them they, the first of all, they broke the Pledge of Allegiance that they gave to me, meaning alumina vitani. So they aquafarm since they are kuffaar, therefore, we have the right to take spoils of war from them. When we find them, we kill them when we kill them, then we take the spoils of all the honey, we take it from them that is our right. So nanny makes an order no injured person must be killed. It makes an order anyone fleeing from Battlefield must be left alone he should not be arrested, should not be arrested, he should not be molested he should not be touched at all. Now this element, the unruly, the chaotic, the anarchist element that says we
want to do things our way. They come up to you and say what are you talking about? This is what DNA is all about. If you find jihad, then you have prisoners, you take prisoners in a particular way. You take the spoils of war, you heal them when you feel so. So he says fine if that is the case in what you do. You tell me which one of you is going to take on more meanings or you die
The aloneness the spoils of war. All of us prepared to do that. Now they stood back. They did not realize who they are up against. They are up against the harbor of the image marine. They are up against all those eminent companions of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wasallam, who were unfortunate enough to have been trapped into this,
this veil of obscurity, this sophisticated plan of misinformation that is spread around the Muslim world, they had been caught up in it, and now they will come these late comers to Islam, about whom Allah Allah said yesterday that call
these desert dwellers they say that we have email addresses Colombo. Meanwhile, in colo slum, nah, you're not the moment you have no email in your heart. Say we have become Muslim. Don't say we have email. So they are lovely, negated specificity they remain. It was these people and they follow us afterwards that would now stand up in judgment against the rest of the oma.
The second battle the Sinaloa Vitaly fought was against muawiya even though the sofian together with him Hamburg laws and a number of the Sahaba in Syria now again comes up the issue Why would they go to war against the legitimate Khalifa? Why was there no such war against Abubakar? Why was no such war against Omar of man? Why now suddenly in time of holly? Now let's just go back from our very, very first lecture originally What did we say? The original point of departure between Allah Sunni and the Shia is a concept of imama. And in this concept of Imam, what does it teach? It says that after Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, there is a group of men, one after the other, Allah
appointed to lead the oma and anyone else who usurps that position and becomes a halifa instead of those appointed by Allahu taala. They are quite far out of the fold. But it has taken what it has taken a number of years, 2025 years to come to this point here. Up to this moment in time, there have been no noticeable objection, the hill off of Santa Barbara Casa de cannot be alone who came with its events and it went the love of saying the Homer,
Allah and who came and together with all the events that occurred and at the end of his life, he was murdered by one particular person. There was no conspiracy as such yet one can speak of, at the end of the 12 years of say now of man's role only to be fine, this turbulence that eventually culminates in his death, but you found no one leading an army against the halifa you found no one objecting is the legitimacy of Israel alpha. Now for the first time, what's a 90 day Vitaly, there is now we have Naveen Sophia and in Sham in Syria, and he says that no, I'm not accepting things as they are. Why is he doing it? You ask yourself a mushiya perspective the she says
these people the Sahaba or the Allah Han who these people have been kuffaar since day one.
They have been co founder since the time of an omen of man, they were just waiting for the death of Rasulullah Salallahu alaihe salam to take over the affairs barely didn't have a lot of them die when they took over the affairs were at soccer, soccer for money. Sorry that and they've been running the show all along. And what you see now now here is nearly all of those ancient Hindu hatred, all of the ancient hatred against the unknown bait. Now only it's coming to the fore. Why because before who was the hollyford was not available by now since Allah is the halifa wow he has reason for opposing is because Ali is the problem. That is from a particular perspective. What we see, we see
that wow, we are even the sofiane sees his cousin of man even I found murdered in cold blood in Medina.
We see the river conspiracy to such an extent that he has a Nalin, Vitaly is unable to immediately take action against those of you that Oliver is unsure of how deep do the roots of this particular conspiracy go. He is unsure as to exactly how to go about at that moment. He wants to wait till he is strong enough stable enough to take action against them. But at no moment Did he say that we are not going to bring these people to justice. In fact, when they were in just outside of bussola while the battle was raging between themselves and the army of say that I shall be alone. Hmm. They heard a tumult of voices coming at them from the site of say the ISIS army. And so now they asked what are
these voices that I'm hearing? He says that he say the eyes are the low on her making dua against the kilos of man. And all the people are saying I mean, and then say nearly maybe lalibela is his own hands and he has a lot to curse the killers of of man wherever they may be mountains of valleys land or female lockers. Then he was making use of the opportunity to show that he is not against what they are doing. What say that he is calling for. He was taking the opportunity to show that if they are any of those within his own army, they will be brought to justice at some point or the other.
But while we on the other hand, says Ali is not bringing him to justice, he says my cousin has been murdered, something needs to be done. So if one compares what happened in time of a worker, no one ever objected against his khilafah Why not? Because there was no reason there was no reason to the
top no one objected because the previous previous halifa was not murdered, and the previous Khalifa be murdered like they would have been a problem. Yeah, the khilafah of say, Now Omar, had the murderer gone scot free, and the murder and absolutely gone scot free, then they would have been a problem with the * out of say no man, if say no man didn't bring him to justice immediately. But what was the eventual outcome of the murder of a Nazi now, that person was immediately pursued by the Sahaba in the masjid, he fled, and he stabbed several other people eventually was cornered, he murdered himself, he committed suicide. So that murderer, eventually his life came to an end. But
the murders of Satan of man are going unpunished. And the fact that they're going unpunished is due to their strength, the strength of them and the support that they have way all over the Muslim world. All over. It's not just here in Medina, it's all over people, they have their supporters. So while we are seeing Ali is not bringing them to justice, and he's reasoning inside of you, if you do not bring them to justice, and we will bring them to justice. So now he says, You submit to me and the halifa he says no first one that has to be undone. From here one can understand the genius of this rather the evil genius of this magical urban legend Saba, he threw the Sahaba the Allah on him
into such a situation, that whether you go forward, whether you will backward you lose those went both ways. Whatever you do, whichever way you move, it is damned if you do damned if you don't you between the devil and the deep blue sea, very difficult to negotiate, very difficult to navigate your route out of a problem such as that.
Eventually these two armies match against one another. And for several days they do battle against one another. for several days the battle rages and ages and ages.
Last was the main advisor tomorrow it may be Sofia and he eventually advises him. He says I've got I've got some advice. I've got a trick up my sleeve that we can use. Why? He had noticed something in the army of aliveness in your body. What is that that you notice? They will fight very hard, but their hearts are not together? The hearts are not together, there is division within the ranks of the army of Alec Nepali and the biggest problem in the army of Vitaly Ravi Allahu is the fact that they are not obedient. Remember, an Argus element that I spoke about those that do as they want to? They're the same people still in army of Denali. There are so many and all you need to do is insert
a rose, throw something, throw a cat amongst those particular pigeons, and everything will be in opera, everything. All suddenly the entire playing field will change. So he said let's do this. These are people who believe their own opinions to be superior to that of the Sahaba the alarm will believe their idea of the very idea of piety, their idea of what is right and what is wrong. Their idea of righteousness. They believe that to be superior to that of Isabela de la la sala Salalah Solomon predicted the coming of this these people as well. People that if you look at your own salon compared to their Salah, you will feel ashamed of your own Salah. They read the Quran, but he
doesn't go beneath their throats. Why? What is the problem with them? As much Salah as they make as much out with piety as they seem to have, they are filled with the very same spirit of the original fellow who said that Halekulani Minar in wahaca. who maintain that elegance of police I'm better than you. So all the piety in the world, all the salon, all the liquor and all but the idea of elegance and the idea of thinking as your superior to those who Allah and His razones Allah Allah, Allah, Allah my place. Anyway, this was the element that led to the stabilize. So he said, let's do the following. Take the most half copies of the Quran, tied to the spears tie to Spears, like to see
as a force VSI must have to carry it into battle. And you say we're not coming for battle. We are saying that we are two Muslim armies killing one another, the Romans are behind us. We are killing one another. So let's come to a soul. Let's come to reconciliation between ourselves. Let the Quran decide, carrying the Quran into battle, telling your opponent we've had enough this cannot go on let the Quran decide
to who sensitivities that play those particular people who think they have a better idea what the Quran says. So immediately they come to say an alley they say no, we have to stop this wall. And he says we have to continue this work. We are on the verge of winning. Say No, you're not going to do this.
We are going to stop this war. Why? Who knows better? Does alumna Vitaly know better? Or does the son of his desert Arabic became Muslim yesterday doesn't know Is he probably know better. In his mind he knows better. And they are such a powerful faction within the army of Satan IE that when they speak they speak with a few 100,000 voices, not just one man alone. So eventually much against his will he is forced to stop
the war, forced to stop the war cannot fight when half the army wants to stop on the walk away from the battlefield. So let the Quran decide. How does the Quran decide the Quran is the word of Allah. The Quran is sacred and holy. But the Quran does not speak of its own accord. It's not a DVD or a CD or a cassette player. It is text, which is the written record of Allah's word, it requires a human interpreter, and who will be the human interpreter, the one tamala given the capacity to interpret it, the one who received that Kappa that's fasudil lasala as alum and the one who received that capacity from those rulers, Allah Allah is anamnesis How about on the low on whom someone else will
now come and this is a perennial problem with Islam with Muslims rather, there's no problem with Islam problem with Muslims.
A continuous problem with Muslims, you know, the Quran says and then I also give my view and you also give your view and my view is right and your view is wrong. And I don't know the difference between the easement of Allah and Harvey in Arabic language. I barely know the difference between a bar and a TA. But I can also say that this is my opinion. That's one of the reasons why this oma is not going forward. Because everyone has an opinion. Anyway, this was a problem and say now Linda Vitaly raviolo. I know had had he had this problem. These people decided that no, the Koran will decide how does the foreign decide anyway, we have to decide.
So the two sides say that we will stop the war, and a year from now, we will send two persons from either party, there will be person sent negotiators on either side, they will sit instead of Muslims decimating killing one another. Instead of waiting, whittling down our numbers all the time, let's rather have this thing settled by a negotiation. year from now two persons from either party will meet at a baseball dermatology handle. At that time, they will decide what they decide the rest of us will accept negotiations rather than battle.
Now during those negotiations, remember whatever we know about the past, how do we know about the past? What kind of records do we have? We have historical reports. Those historical reports
are passed down through whom they are passed down through human conduits, human narrators. And every human narrator is not necessarily a good narrator, especially at a time like this. Now, you must know this is 3456 years of almost war non stop, and the feelings are running high. And your partisanship and your support for your leader runs very, very high. And this comes after the death of the halifa. So as was outlined last week, it was a time of great emotional upheaval. And at the time of such emotional upheaval, it's very easy to find representations versions of history that's not true to the original. So now you'll find certain versions of history. For example, they say the
parties got together and these things are recorded in the books of St. The parties get together.
And from the time side of St. Allina, Vitaly de Saint Abu Salah sorry, it wasn't his intention to cinnabar Musashi, he wanted to send his cousin Abdullah bus.
But again, the unaka seen his army come together and say we said that Abu Musashi, olive, everybody says ISIS, Abdullah nobis se but we said Anyway, once again, our Moosa Hugo, from the side of Mongolia comes from Laos. Now the version of eastie goes as follows. The version of eastie says that they get together, and I'm living in a house and more and more Musashi. They sit together before then I'll have the public declarations and the two of them say, look, what do you think what should be done? And the one says, honorable as says, Well, I think I should declare that my candidate, that's why we are no longer eligible for leadership.
And Abu Musab says Well, I think I should declare the same we should. We should disqualify both of them and rather elect another leader for the oma because these two have become the heads of two factions with a strong sentiment behind them as well. rather leave that let's get another. Let's get another candidate. What do you have in mind about Musa says, Well, I'm thinking of a higher ethno higher Abdullah and Omar is allowed to go for someone like that he can bring the oma together, his his father, son, anyway, they decide that's what's to be done. Let's go outside public declaration. So
Boom Moosa is allegedly tobermore of last year speakers you the senior year speaks was and he says, I declare that my candidate is no longer eligible for the alpha. I depose him from the theta alpha. And then the alleged version of his decision amarula has gets up and says, Well, since you've removed your candidate, I put up mine candidate, he is a candidate, let's see Mia Khalifa. And about Moses says, what a deception you have deceived me. Now this kind of story is ascribed to the Sahaba, the yellow on whom tends to leave a bad flavor. What kind of person is this? That would deceive the other. But the question is never asked, Is that a valid version of history? Is that a valid version?
Is the people who have transmitted that down to us? Are they reliable persons? Secondly, did they receive it in an continuous chain of narration? These are not the questions asked. When someone jumps to conclusions today. Then he simply says, but there it is, in the books of history, our approach as a hallucinogen, our approach is that we take historical material and we judge it in light of all those IRT in the Quran, in which a lot of us speaks about the Sahaba the alarm, all of those are Hardy, we don't discount that. We don't turn a blind eye to that and says, let's just look at what we have in front of us here.
We look at the highly dimensional sobre la sala Sallam said about Abdullah the son of ambrym last niyama Raja Abdullah Abu Abdullah Omar Abdullah what a good man is Abdullayev number n his father is a good man and his mother is a good person. We look at all of those ahaadeeth in resist people that contributed to the in all their contributions to the and everything that Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam said about them. We just don't just discard that on the on the basis of a flimsy piece of evidence in the book of history and say, well, there it is the evidence these are evil people. No, we take the holistic picture into consideration. Anyway, that version obviously is a flawed version
we see. Unfortunately it has it has misled so many people The problem is their preparedness, their willingness to believe certain things. If those same things were said about people who they admire, and inshallah intend to speak somewhat more about this later in this lecture. If the same allegations were made about people that they admire, they will say how can you say such a thing? How can you ever make such an allegation? If someone says a similar thing about Imam Khomeini, then what do they say? How can you ever think something bad if such a great person, but a lot of us anything good about Khomeini, he might have been a good person might have been a bad person. But when it
comes to this Sahaba Allah Allah, Allah instructed us to make history far for them. Allah tells us that he is happy with them a lot that tells us that yes, they are hormone minahasa true believers they have What choice do we have but to entertain a good opinion about them? Fine.
This particular negotiations that this place called Donatella gender are inconclusive, they go nowhere. But they had one important consequence that one important consequence was that anarthas element in the army of Alli again they had a problem they always have a problem. Their problem now is they tell Halima Vitaly What right did you have to get to go and negotiate away the fact that you are I mean what meaning you are the leader of the oma, isn't it? Yes. So what right do you have to take the position of leadership any girl go and negotiate at the negotiating table in no matter agenda? So while St. Helena Vitali will be allowing us to be standing on his member, delivering his
football out of the crowd somewhere, and we intend to know this phenomenon quite well, the amount of speaking in front Astana in Montevideo comarca remarks you must have a diagnosis and so we know this phenomenon exactly the same financing policeman standing on the member delivering his football and someone will stand scream out to the crowd in ill Hupmobile Allah. hokum only belongs to Allah tala. This one scenario is to say what Kelly motto hockin or either
the word is through it's a word of the Quran, nL hokku illa Lila hokum that means rulership here will also Allah alone so what they were basically telling Ali is that this leadership was mala Allah gave it to you How could you give it away? How could you go and negotiate it away?
So they say for that reason many of them declared early also to be what are these also coffee? Why is he coffee of now? Because he had negotiated away something which a lot a lot given to him in in hokulani, law, rule and governorship and rulership only belongs to Allah tala. It's a true Word. But what was intended, the intention was to destabilize society kanemoto hockin or hit the bell bottle through words spoken. And we often hear such as spoken justice before peace and all this we hear these things being spoken and or either be held back what are the true intentions behind them? They are nefarious intentions behind them, not noble ones. Eventually this particular group, they cut
themselves off they withdraw from Kufa
They go to a place called marijuana and they say no we can't stay with a meeting what meeting with a leader who negotiates his position of leadership away What does he know about Dean we know better because a lot of us is in in Hokkaido inland in LA so he can't be our leader will have to have our own leader so now he comes to know about them he sends up the LA ignore bus his cousin to them and say go and reason with these people. Go and speak to them reason to them, bring them back into the fold. He goes to them and he speaks to them. And a few 1000 of them come back. They realize that they would only come back but the remains a hardcore group that says no by no means are we coming
back. We know Islam better than you. So eventually say Nana Vitaly goes to war with them, and he decimates he destroys their army at this place called Narayan. This was the third battle fought by say Nana Vitaly, in each of these battles. You can see how the oma is splitting further and further apart.
This group called the Hawaii rich, how rich pool of the rich, and how do you mean ones of those out, they've left, what they've left the middle, they were together with the rest of the woman now they've gone outside, they're on their own, they exist up to the present day. They as they were numerous different sects amongst the average, they existed once upon a time, in the present world, there is only one particular group of the hawara Jester live they are called the Ebo. The The ibaby are to be found in two places in the world, you will find them in Oman. And you will find some of them in Algeria as well. A few of them in Algeria survive, and a few of them in Oman. in Oman, the
ibaby Madhavi is the official man have evolved into his official mother. They are the they are the intellectual heirs and successors of the original group that broke away from saying I'm going to be a party and who may fall at no one, they remain in existence and after they've maintained their existence in these two parts of the world. But this particular group of the hawara, probably the most moderate of the groups of the average, they are not as
as extreme as some of the others have been. Therefore, they're the only one amongst all those various sects to have survived over 1000 years.
So now living
continuously in Kufa thereafter, but now he is noticing certain things in society has changed within his arm, he had seen certain things. And now in Kufa, you start seeing them. He saw the holidays, and he saw the Shia years about people saying that Ali is have been mean or the Bucklin Omar. Now in the time of aboubaker, in the time of Oman, no one had been saying that Ali is better than Abu Bakr and Omar.
Even if he was considered as a candidate, no one ever considered necessarily better than normal. When it came to selection. When Abu Bakr was up there everyone gave him the very few had any hesitation giving them a signal himself gave him his via
Not only did he give him his by when a son was born came in a name Abu Bakar as well. Thereafter, say now Omar becomes the halifa he has such love for this woman, he gives him his own daughter a marriage number one. Number two, he names his son after him. He has another son called Omar and then thereafter at the end of his death, he comes at the end of his life when he's lying, having succumbed to the wounds inflicted upon him by the murder of Allah say now he comes and says Allah Hema Allah one of the Ahad on a hapa lie I mean, an Allah Demetrius, I mean harden massager, there's no one on the face of the earth. What was books of these, I would more love to meet a lot other than
this person line covered here. This was a relationship that he had with me, let me know more about the law on Wednesday now more wanted to go join the campaign's insert in in Iraq when the campaigns are being difficult that we weren't making headway. So now my said I think I must go there myself is I mean, what meaning don't go stay in Medina, your sin, Saudi Arabia cost and some of the other generals, if we lose you on the battle Fund, the modules the Persians will take out from you. They will rarely they will say we've killed the head of the Arabs and they might come back and say I mean what meaning we cannot see you lose your life. Use the Medina let the others go and do the fighting.
If this was an enemy or
movement, I mean, please go. But no, he did not say any such thing. And thereafter. What are we saying that in the time of ibaka Romeros man there was no one was objecting. There was no one was saying that Ollie is better than Abubakar Mama.
In fact, in the time of Satan of Monrovia Allah on Wednesday now a man was elected. Remember what Abdul Rahman even did? He went around to every group of people sitting in Medina, what do you think I'm giving you to Canada's aliados man aliados man, and he says everyone told him we'll ever have man. So at that time, too, there was no idea that Ali is better than Earth man. No, everyone was abubaker is the best oma thereafter. And then
comes off man. And none of this is denigrating none of this is intended to be offensive to alibaba alibaba, had it been offensive had we hated him had we then we wouldn't have, we wouldn't have had him as the fourth best of the of the Sahaba. We would have said something that some other people have said about him. Some of the evil things that I've said about him, he remains beloved to us. we name our children after him. He remains a son in law of our souls Allah Allah Allah He was alum. He remains a sudden law he will Holly Emmanuel machete will mahari ameerul momineen sin Allah Vitaly Ronnie Allah who is beloved to our heart is very dear to us. But no one before that had said that
Ollie is better than a MOBA normal. Now the legend such as web of deceit had led certain people to say that Allah is Allah and let's add another people to say that Allah is better than Abu Bakr and Omar, he realizes the danger of a statement such as that and he says, if there is any men, if there is any man that claims me to be better than a normal janitor who gel mousse theory, I will punish him in the manner in a manner that will punish a liar Academy it will get 40 lashes will get 80 lashes from me. Not because just because I'm betting abnormal, but for what it holds in for the future. It will start off by saying I mean what when you're better than normal, where will it end
up? It ends up weights ended up today, where people are no longer saying that abubakr normal is also good, but it is better no longer is that it is Ollie is good and Abubakar mother was of the scum under the sun, that's where it's ended up. And therefore he takes the took such steps against them. Should I hear of a person saying that I'm better than normal then I will punish him as a collaborator as a liar. On the other hand, those that said he was Allah What did you do with them? He burned them with fire. Why? Because this is schilke This is the worst kind of shield such he was not even done with our beloved Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam and you come and say that Ali
is Allah now to be live in Delhi. But he saw this happening in society. He saw the halogen other hand starting to become to secede from society create their own element become spread anarchy and chaos he saw them saying can you help me Lila and he fought them? He saw the early prototype she are starting to say things that Allah is Allah and Allah is better than ibaka Normally he saw it and he tried to contain the situation eventually
the How are you have been defeated by Sonali Vitaly with now one lady side
that there's only one way
to correct things in this oma.
Things have gone bad, very, very bad. Muslims are fighting Muslims. And look at the Sahaba. They said these are the How are you look at the Sahaba these are supposed to be the companions of Muhammad Sallallahu Sallam look at how they're fighting with one another. There's only one thing that we can do assassination.
When assassination steps in, then chaos is reaching its peak,
getting closer and closer to the ultimate culmination of chaos in society. So they appoint three assassins, because as they say, there are three
heads that need to know that have Ollie that have myopia and that of Ambien loss, all three of these, these people must be removed from society. Once we have removed these three, then society will come right.
We see a similar thing happening in the world around us today as well, in the Muslim world, the spate of assassination right now in Pakistan just yesterday, an alum passed away about a week ago, was attacked, whilst on his way driving to court.
He was he had been a member of the group called sci fi Sahaba, the defenders of the Sahaba in Pakistan, and then on his way to court with his two young sons in his car and another young son following in a motorcycle, he was attacked. His son at the back was shot and killed. He and his other son was shot and wounded yesterday expired of his wounds, Rahim Allah, this kind of he is continuing in the Muslim world. And by no means am I claiming that these kinds of assassinations are one way traffic alone. Despite those that would misrepresent what we've stated in this forum time, and again, we are being accused of the fact that we threaten violence against the Shia, not one
moment was violence ever threatened in this particular forum, those who have been here from the beginning, will know about that. What we do say, however, that violence just tends to have a presence with Sudanese and she has come together after a while the issues of such a nature that is aspiring to violence, we want to prevent such violence from happening. And then we want to pull we have to curb the spread of Shiism in the society of ours, but never will we threaten violence against the Shia that is not in our interest nor in this in other parts of the world. However, we see it happening on a daily basis where things are spiraling out of control, and you'll find the
assassinations. They are the order of the day. So people decided we are going to remove these three leaders. Three assistants are appointed the one appointed
kilombero last fails in his mission, the one appointed to kill Mojave fails in his mission, no one appointed to kill so in the middle minalima vitaliano The Alona succeeds in his mission, he murders our beloved minions in Allina vitalia long as he is on his way to the Salah for failure. And you say that no Myra Sol sallallahu alayhi wa sallam had informed me that the time will come to mean hurricane Harvey when my beautiful on with with a blood that's coming out of my throat that will happen and he is murdered by the assassin his assassin is caught he is a person when they get into analysis don't
don't torture him He must be put to death but don't torture him at that moment to the Justice alumna Vitaly if he killed me he must simply be killed cut off his neck Yes, but don't torture him why that's not part of our Sharia. When they are going to kill him
you know the cut off his body parts. Why is making facade feel so cut off his right arm and left leg and things like that.
In any event, then they threaten to cut the stone.
For the when they cutting off his arm and his leg. He doesn't show the least amount of fear.
When they come to his tongue. His name is Abdul Rahman even
when they come to his tongue suddenly he showed us
so what's wrong your arm you will you you showed novia you weren't upset by the cutting of your leg but your tongue. He says you know why? Because this tongue never stops making the vicar of Allah. This was the kind of people on the one hand, they are so deep into the practice of the religion. On the other hand, they think nothing of shedding the Holy Land of aliveness we thought about
these kinds of elements are still there in society. They represent the same kind of thought that has been there all along. So nearly never thought about the alone to depart from this world and join these three companions and also Allah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam.
And then also what happens to this Sinhalese asked before his death, appoint the halifa
appointed Khalifa.
This brings us back again to the concept of imama there's no need for the appointment of a halifa if you from a Shia perspective, there's no need why Allah has already appointed Hassan as a leader behind him. But listen to the answer that Sonali gives and then see whether it fits in with the theories of the CIA. He says in Allah Allah who will be Almighty Muhammad in Salah Allah Allah, Allah, Allah says man whom Allah Karim, if Allah wants good to happen to this oma, you will bring the oma together on the best man that's amongst them, you will bring them together under the leadership of the best amongst them. In other words, I'm not going to appoint anyone for you use the
neck someone. The owner has the right to elect his leader. But now my store divided there is now yesterday in Syria is early maybe polyps army still here in kuva. So who will these select amongst themselves? They didn't select his eldest son. I mean many insane al Hassan ibn Ali even Vitaly by the alarm.
Now the next step is the wars that his father had undertaken against the Syrians must go on because the Syrian still haven't submitted you know what has happened now, the whole idea about the killers of of man everyone had lost track about that. Why there's a new fight now. There's a new fight is the Serbians against the Rockies. It's the people of Kufa, Gaines, the people of Damascus, what do we do now it's, the ballgame is shifted. Few are those will even think of where the killers of of man, why because the oma has been embroiled in all of these was
saying has an early marches with his with his army to meet with while we're in battle once again. But as he is marching to this battle, he thinks to himself that for four or five, six years, we've gone on fighting one another, and who gains on our borders, not very far from me a few 100 kilometers away from me, who is sitting there the Romans are sitting there watching what we are doing, there is seeing how we are fighting one another destroying our own strength.
And how long will it be before one of them steps in and says we have destroyed ourselves? The flower of the Muslim army has been destroyed of two Muslim armies, who will be there to defend the widows who will be there to defend the children in these two armies clash with one another constantly like to mountains clashing with one another, destroying one another? And he decides that Enough, enough is enough.
sends a message to muawiya says why don't we rather negotiate this matter? You and I come together and we discuss it? Again? The element of what the unruly element, they are those in his army, he's the leader. He's suffering from the same problem that his father had suffered amongst his followers. The followers know better than the leader. They come to him How on earth could he ever contemplate negotiating with a person as bad as him?
And they come to me they call in all kinds of names. Before it used to be a Salam O Allah aka amirul mumineen.
Now they come in Santa Monica movie, meaning oh god
Story of the meaning there's a kind of things that come on telly. Once he was physically attacked by these followers of his these, these own followers who claim themselves and now for the first time in a time of holiday muttalib the idea the concept of a car for the first time came out, what does he support his family? If you now the back to the lava Valley, and the way that he had to fight against various different parties, you can understand that he had supporters and supporters naturally call themselves the Shia of Holly. Those your family know, they follow you some person when Hassan makes a decision, which does not please them. What do they do? They almost like
politicians and followers of political parties in our own country. Even bake is no longer good leader than what do we do with him? We throw him out and within Zuma, and what are we doing to Zuma right now getting rid of him as well.
So similarly, they
aren't he wasn't good enough. And now his son Hassan is doing something. What does he know? We know better than him. This has always been the story with the Shia. With the Shia, we know Deen better than what they know it. The Deen the thing called a jaffery malherbe it's got nothing to do that I don't wait on the low angle. It is those people who would ascribe things to the bait and say this is the Dean of the channel by which is why there's such a lot of contradiction inside it. Every Hadid has another Hadith which contradicts it when they start describing these a hadith to the moms. Why because they know better than the Imams. The story that I've told maybe two or three times already,
when z Denali went to Kufa and he made the car the now by this time that she had already developed this was 100 years later developed into a fully fledged group for their own particular identity. And it comes to them. He was the first of the Imams of the unknown weight of the members have an invite to actually come to COVID and see what's happening all the others in Medina, he sees in their scribing teachings to his own father, which he never knew of. He says, you know, my father was so kind to me, that he would feed me and I would sit on his lap, and then the food was to have to place in my mouth, he would blow on it and wait for it to cool. And then he puts it into my mouth. That
was my father's kindness with me. He didn't want the food to burn my mouth. Do you think these things that you are teaching the people using my father is an Imam. And he's appointed by Allah and all of these things on our own by their special status status. And if you don't believe these things, you're going to join them? Do you think my father wouldn't have taught me these things? Because he didn't teach me anything. I'm gonna go to john mommy didn't want food to burn my mouth. You think you want to fire john them to burn my body?
And they had an answer. And what was the answer? They say, well, your father knew if he was going to teach you these things that you would reject them. So your father didn't teach it to you. So you can say in the FEMA Allah my son didn't know. And this was the car making up things and ascribing to the other day. This is what the Java, this is what the show is. Gnosticism is all about. And even so now Hassan Ali decides we can't go on like this. He comes together with Malia and they decide or other before I come to that, when he decides to make peace with why we are what do they tell him? They say you are the destroyer of the world meaning he says what law he lemoore how we are to hire Leeming
come while it would be better to me than you because you are people, no obedience to a leader. You know, wow, we of course was the wrong cause. Ali's cause was the right cause. While we as army was an obedient army, Ali's army was a disobedient army. So nalina Vitali himself said that if I had one men from Maoism if every one of y'all would have been better off, this was these were the people all along we've been claiming what we are the followers of the alibi, but they know better than the other one. But anyway, someone hasn't dealt in a while we'll be better to me than what you are. He goes Somalia, they negotiate, what will they do? peace will be brought about between these two
parties. How will these be brought about Wow, you can become the halifa. And when you died, and Hassan will become the halifa. And everyone shakes hands on that and everyone is happy except for those this malcontents, those people who have their own ideas about the the Shia and the How are each the Shia on the one hand, say what right what hasn't had this is not given to him by law. What Why does he have to give it away. And on the other hand is the hamari who say all of your archives in any event.
So
when these two great parties come together, this was the fulfillment of the great prophecy of our Nabi sallallahu wasallam. One day he had his son Hassan on his on his lap, and he said that in a year on, this son of mine is a leader of men. This son of mine is the leader of men, law lulla use the heavy benefi attorney, Avi Medina muslimeen. Soon the day will come when through this son of mine, Allah will bring about reconciliation. Between two great groups of Muslims are pseudo lasala some didn't call them Garfield's. They were Muslims, they were movements. Allah sallallahu wasallam said, all that was required soldiers must be brought about in the year 41 after the Israel
These two personalities get together. So in a Hassan places his hand in the hands of Maria and he says, I give you my pledge of allegiance of allegiance you are now I mean meaning.
Peace is restored to the oma from this day onwards. Now last week and perhaps a week before I answered a certain I said something. I said if you have to ask me who was right and who was wrong, it was right now he was wrong. He was wrong. He was a rebel against legitimate authority. He was a rebel. There's no two ways about that. Rasulullah sallallahu wasallam described them as such. What did he say? Why?
He said Mr. Masson, Dr. Atul Bahia, the rebellious grupo Kilian, Amar Singh was killed with Alekna Vitaly Ravi, Allah knows army on the DFC field he was killed by the army of muawiya that howdy there tells you what the army of Maria was rebellious army. There's no two ways about it. I didn't ever thought he was right now we have named Sophia was wrong. However, he was wrong for how long
he was wrong for how long until Cena hasn't placed his hands in his hands and said that you are now that I mean the moment I accept you as the leader of the Muslims.
Is history by the up to the present day.
Is he still a rebel? Shall we still continue this It reminds me of a story someone tells me he says three Buddhist monks were working one day and they come to another and I'm cutting the story very short. They come to wherever they see a woman standing there. So she wants to cross the river. So one of the Buddhist monks picks that up and carries across the river puts it down continues walking and as they walk in further the other two are looking at him and giving those those glances How could you do such a thing you know monk after okay pick up a woman carry over the river. And if you want me to refer to further on he asks him but brothers Why are you looking at me? says How could
you pick up a woman and carry across the river? his iPhone I picked up for two minutes carried across 11 put put her down. It seems to me the two of you are still carrying around in your minds. This is the problem with some of ours.
of man in our family alone was amongst those who fled on the day off or have been alive forgiven him that he has still haven't forgiven him because Allah's mercy is much greater than theirs Of course. And here
we are honest enough to say he was not right. He was a rebel. So in the amount of shafia or the Allahu Allah, Eman Shafi was writing the chapter of fake on how to deal with rebels. How do you deal How does the Muslims they deal with rebels? And where does he draw from he throws some How do you say nearly three the army amavi on the other side, how do you deal with them? So some of the allameh at the time they said no no Shafi must be a Shia. He must be ashamed. Why? Because he says Malia was wrong. This was yahia even mine crazy man. He was but he was upset. How can you speak about mawi like this while we are being a rebel? So he went to his friend his very good friend also sunovion
Shafi mama even humble, and he tells him how many Chavez is here. Why is he here? Because he says Mojave Iser is about his level. So in my humble tells him that if Wow, if he should not use those examples, who else must use an example because that was the first case in the history of Islam that rebellion occurred? And I mean, millions in Alibaba Palmisano teaches us how to deal with those rebels. And what did he teach us about them? He said they are not Kufa, they are not 18 they are ihana bajo la Nina, our brothers but they have rebelled against us. And when your brother has rebelled against rebelled against you, and then he comes to you and say, Look, let's make peace. He
is not available any longer. He is not available any longer. This is where we the aloofness then we say for the entire duration of the hill obscenely Mahalia was a rebel his cause was around one, but the year that the two groups came together, the year what we call our model Gema, the year of unity. That year he sees being the boggy the rebel and that he became a medium while we are on the alano from that moment onwards, who are the ones with that establish the unity of the oma after it had been driven apart after they've been destroyed by the murders of Manali alone, it was hustling, Nalin Italia, it was Wow, we have been given a piece of yarn from that moment on us for 20 years
thereafter, Huawei will remain the halifa. for 20 years, he will remain, and it was a time of prosperity. And it was a time off of Islam was on the Advanced once again, Islam was making games once again after this too, so for five years, and for five years of prosperity now we are all as a mural mini Mahalia.
When we speak today about unity. When we speak today about unity, which unity is that the unity that was destroyed with the murder of a North man and the unity that was restored through the soul of that reconciliation.
Hassan and muawiya that is a unity that we should go back to no ill conceived unity that we think of today, just for our purposes here and there we have a little bit of unity and a little bit of unity there. And behind the scenes we are doing everything to destroy that. Suppose that unity.
Now much of the debates and discussions between the Shia and Amazon have to do with personality. I mentioned this people are ever ready, ever so ready certain people to say something bad about us? How about the alarm willing, when the leaves with a flimsy information, this flimsiest of historical information is given to them. The Sahabi did something wrong, they jumped on the bandwagon when someone says something similar about their own admired persons, when they speak about Khomeini when they speak about the Iranian state right now. So how could they ever speak ill about people such as this, you know, the same kind, the same kind of allegations, the same kind of, of accusations that
these people make against Abubakar and against Omar and against us, man, those very same allegations can be made about those who are ruling the land of Iran right now at this moment in time as well.
Iran has not just been a success story, Iran at this moment, just a few weeks ago, what was happening the internet was blocked or blocked out. No news was going in or coming out. Why? Because they were riots. And just after 1979 all of those all the instability and all the murders of prominent people, especially those only hold ama in Iran at that time. How are we to look at all of that. They're going to tell you that Mao he was guilty in his in his khilafah of killing hajia. Even ID very good Muslim person he was we can say similar things about Ahmed Mustafa Abdul Malik, Mullah sada, a whole list of all Mr. Villanueva have been killed over the years. If you make certain
excuses and say, well, the state of Iran had to do these kinds of things they have to do so why don't we make those excuses for the Sahaba? The aluminum? Why when it comes to the Sahaba? Were you prepared to say that no, those are evil, but when the Iranian state does He say, you know, the reasons why they do these things, they accuse the Sahaba of the alarm of embezzling funds and taking from the public Treasury right at this one and appointing their own children and their own cousins and brothers to sensitive positions.
Hashem innocent Johnny was the present and a primary president of Iran for several years, his son gets appointed to a very lucrative position, very lucrative position, where in a short space of time, after a short while, he gets accused of having embezzled something the tune of 2 million US dollars. So you've been saying the Sahaba Ravi Alanna embezzled money and now you embezzling money yourself? He responds by saying what he said you're accusing me of embezzling money. Look at that Medina God himself of Medina Jr. He says when he was mayor of Tehran, he embezzled 340,000,002 months. So, and then they come to certain other things they say now Omar ban Buddha
Hashemi, Rafsanjani himself, he faced a problem in Iran. What was the problem that he faced in Iran, there was something like three quarter million of Mata orphans in Iran.
Accordingly, the three quarter million Mata orphans were the fathers that made mutawa the mothers and absconder thereafter, older they become Ward's of the state, the status look after them. So he said that if people don't know how to make your bed, you can bend Muhtar, but you say no Homer does it. And you say, Yes, he will do, but you can do the same.
There are several other similar instances. You see what the Sahaba or the Alon whom, also Allah sallallahu Sallam leaves as well, the Sahaba of the olana to stand up and take his task further and build the Islamic State and spread the Tao of Islam. And when you're in government, then you can have your detractors, you will never be able to please everyone. There's never been a government that has everyone's approval. so that she could sit and theorize on outside because they didn't have a government for over 1000 years, no government and then comes 1979 and they have a government suddenly you find that they are killing off the opponents here.
What was a Hossein Ali Montazeri, if anyone doesn't he was Khomeini's designated successor. Khomeini's designated successor, who became so upset with the amount of extrajudicial killings that were taking place that was being done in the name of the Indian government that is not criticizing. So who mainly told him you're no longer my success. I remove you from the position also. He died a few weeks ago. While we are busy with our lectures, he died a few weeks ago, you could barely attend this funeral this they don't have anything to do with him or her if if the Sahaba or the Alanna done something like that, what would they have said, Look at these evil people. But if those who never
had an opportunity to run the government now get the government in the hands and they start doing certain things. The Iranian state used to make a lot
Out of the fact that they had cut ties with apartheid South Africa immediately upon the success of the revolution. Right now it comes out Mark rich was this businessman,
oil salesman that was fronting for the Iranian government and selling oil to apartheid South Africa all these years. Now you might say, well, they needed to do so because they were also pariahs. They needed to do these things behind the scenes, the willingness of people to make excuses when it comes to those whom they admire on the one hand, and the unwillingness to make those same excuses to have that same tolerance when it comes to those whom they might not admire, but Allah and is all sorts of Allah is alum love. That is the problem where we stand today. If our youth are able to overcome these particular obstacles of being just have to be objective in the way that they view
personalities in history, and they view the way they view issues in our history, and treated with the same kind of tolerance that we've been speaking of inculcated and the base of which is laid by the Quran and the Sunnah, then we will not be sitting with problems of the skyn
and hamdulillahi Rabbil alameen wa salam ala Sayidina Muhammad Allah
does know does know was originated from the fatimids in Egypt and can I please clarify the practice today? If so?
Well, it is said to originate from the faulty means in the world of the unknown old Yama is earliest history goes back to somewhere in the fifth century, where a certain King and monocle mocha for cocobod was the first he was a great Mujahid, and he had fought with Salahuddin against the Crusaders. And he had been one of those who have popularized the notion of celebrating the day of the birth of a sort of Allah sallallahu Sallam before that the only other reference to be found to the particular celebration with 12 of your novel is a birthday of us Allah sallallahu sallam, he said to me with a faulty means.
As for clarifying the practice today, it's all a matter of who you ask, you can ask me I'm going to be a certain opinion then something else is going to give you a different opinion. So whose opinion Do you want mine? At another? We are busy with CSX Automotive in Sharla.
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What is the consequence of that can be a condition object with object What's our vision? She has a concern.
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when it comes to the she and what do they actually believe and so on. There are two ways of going about this. The one is that we speak to the shapers in front of us What do you believe about it? Because like many of us do, many of them know very little about their religion, they won't know all the details. When we study Shiism, we studied from literature, we studied from literature, we get a certain impression they can I take all of that and apply to every individual to a person there are many of them that are misled. There are many of them that do not even know enough about the deen and have been taught a certain version of it, not all of it. So when a person says divinely appointed,
someone can even say that a worker is divinely appointed by law Tada, how divinely appointed divine appointment can come in a number of different ways. We can even say that our president of the country was divinely appointed in the sense of a lot, a lot, a lot A little Dane, this person must be president. So what do you mean by divine appointment? If you mean a lot of the previous time, a lot of that set it out like that, then that's that's 100% correct as far as I mean, appointments here would be concerned. But if you mean there by an appointment in the same way that allow that appointed saina Mohamed Salah salam, as the recipient of this oma, then that would have certain
repercussions, the repercussions that will come forth from there is
not so much what would happen if you accept it. The problem is what's what happens to those who are rejected. Now, classical theism as expressed in the classical literature, they make no bones about this fact if you reject it is as bad as rejecting the will of Rasulullah sallallahu Sallam which is why they are they have no compunction in saying, classical theism that is this is how about the aluminum out of the fold of Islam because they rejected the amount of aluminium metallic in that sense.
is one thing
about contemporary Shia
do we rush into giving a statement of cofounding as far as possible, if something that someone says has 99 ways in which it can be conferred on one which can be still in the within the form of Islam? Let's story garden within the fold of Islam. It's not our task to make people coffee. When does a person become a coffee when he makes himself a coffee by denying such a part of the which is undeniable. But for as long as the remains a possibility that he is within the fold, then we accept. We accept Him as such. But that doesn't mean that we make our members available to them to us as they want to make Omaha's available all our platforms know the fact that we still see is a Muslim
doesn't mean you
The best of Muslims that ever Well, no, it means it's not something wrong with him, but not just wrong enough for him to go outside of the fold. There's a very, you know, the kind of issues associated with his belief might well eventually take him out of the fold, which is why we will still try and I won't even call him closer, inform him of the dangers of what he's, he's into an all about. But until such time, as the schofer hasn't become clear cut, we will not go ahead and give this statement of copper on him. Even the heavy rock metal IRA in Sierra Nevada, writes about the Shia. Now remember one thing when you speak about the Shia, there is not only one color, there is a
whole kaleidoscope of colors, you'll find one person is a CA. Very, very likely he is to show your only amounts to the fact that he loves Ollie more than what he loves.
He loves osmanthus. But he just happens to love it. But more than what he loves Othman and another person he she isn't he is that he is he says Allah. No, there's worlds between these two positions, both those positions are qualified as Shia. So when you think about the CI, exactly what kind of CIA, yes, if naturalism happens to be the mainstream one, that's the one that we've got to deal with here. But what is what is nicely she isn't a whole lot of different ideas as well. So when a person makes
when we discussed the idea, when we discuss the idea, we can, by all means, say an idea of this nature, very, very dangerous, can take you out of the hole of Islam, when it comes to the person until such time as he doesn't clearly subscribe to that idea what his consequences settle, well, I accept those consequences. And I say that all of those people out of the fold of Islam, that's the moment when he has taken himself out of the fold of Islam.
Question is, does she have a different color than ours? Again, it depends upon where you look for the answer. You go to the volume of the car today, you ask them, they get offended by the question, how could you ever even think that we have a different arm?
You go to the books of the she on the other hand, you get a completely different answer. So it's almost, you know, a Jehovah's Witness. They don't believe that Jesus is God. I know Jesus is a man or is a special but he's not God and such. So you go to him is his body. I've said how can you ever say Christians believe this? You go to the books of the Christians and go to the Catholics go to? Well, they don't believe it. So this dichotomy that you get when you ask them and you ask any question, look at the books, therefore, they don't like the idea that we actually look at their books, because we find certain things in there that are going to be very, very problematic to them.
This for many many centuries, while she ism was existing, in obscurity in their own particular parts of the world, they have no problem with stating very clearly that they have a different color and many of the elements stated in the past. Then in the past, some of them had stated that no they accept the present condition as a valid and correct one. Then as time went on those who say that we accept the present day numbers increased and the numbers of those honest enough to say that we don't accept the present for the numbers decrease by no means Can we say all the whole of the car today except the Quran as is the car is naturally Shia divided into two groups. The two groups are called
the upper body and also the this this division is only about 300 years old, not very big, only about 300 years, three 400 years old.
of bodies, they genuinely have no qualms about saying the prison colony is corrupted. So we have no qualms about saying that they are outside of the fold of Islam. The other say that we accept the Quran Well, we say I will say from my side welcome we accept the Quran I appreciate that. My problem is is how do you account for all of those things in your books? Now that's the problem they need to give me an answer on that.
I said is a problem they need to give us an answer only just one other thing we they have certain answers they will tell us if all of those a hadith an authentic hadith now then we ask the question When did you discover that how come all your Olamide is the all along said is authentic? Now you came to discover that's an authentic so how much else of your deen has been resting upon and authentic sources as well. When they start asking these questions then we're getting close to the root and as closer to the closer we get to the root, the more upset they're going to get. Because eventually it means only one thing abandoned she isn't abandoned she ism if you can abandon Shiism
on the issue of the Quran, if you can accept the fact that all those 1000s of Hadith on the issue of the Quran and have empty then you can actually say all those a hottie * in your mama also not attending and there is no Cornerstone is central to she isn't as easy Mama. This is not something which I'm sucking out of my thumb malaba much DC
One of the chiefs, she has colors of the safavid era, the author of the monumental behalf of Anwar makes direct reference to this in his book with Otto oak on the shelf, also the common theme of stolen coffee, where he says that the ahaadeeth on the issue of the Quran being interpolated and changed, they are mutawa. In other words, they've reached the highest level of mass transmission.
And if you would accept, if you reject all of them, then you can just as well reject all of the heartbeat of email. But that statement was made at a time when the Shias were ruling the country the hallucinate had been practically exterminated, and they were on a high on an all time high, they probably couldn't think of a time when they would need to make friends without him. So now once again, now the time has come. And now I very much personally I very much welcome it when she tells me I accept the forum. But all that I don't want him to do after that. So everything that is acceptance of the Quran is free from problems, it's not free from problems, it's fraught with
problems, if he's going to be honest about it, as I've outlined now
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this thing of some parts of the Quran being missing Well, now many of us might have heard the idea of kin missing and so on that idea of 10 missing Jews that's an idea that's very prominent with the with the with the smart ad or honey Shia, they speak about specifically thing 10 missing.
As far as the ignatia is concerned, is they do have in the books, Hadith which indicate that there are certain things which are missing from the Quran, what they deny, they say there are no insertions into the Quran, whatever is there in the Quran, that is nothing has been added to it. Has there been any subtractions from it here? classically the bulk of the scholarship admitted the fact that there's been things taken away and I've given some examples in the past some things taken away and some things change words changed here and there. I've given some examples to refresh our memories. You are a solo believer mountains today they can be quite lumpy falfa Bella Teresa they
say no, that's not how I was. Yeah, you have a pseudo Bella Roma owns either la Cana Robbie caffee Ali yen. So that theory they say that was there is not there any longer. And you know what they will do? They say if you're gonna look in total 1/3 of human co2, you will find a heartbeat in your own Sunday box, which has the same kind of thing, but live ones in a lake and have a big coffee ID and how does how do we account for it? We say very, very easily, you go to the source in which that Hadith is to be found. You look through it, it's not you'll find it comes to us here, it comes to a tee Annihilator. So very understand we know exactly where it's coming from. It's something that has
spilled over from your site to our site. If it's smelly, not so nice on the side is because something has come over it that is not homegrown. It's important. And another we all know the icon to hire Amati cleaners. She has a no settlement. No. Think about this is saying you are the best of omens. Now if you see her, you think the best of humans that you serve the hilife of Holly, they kill Hussein, they do all these terrible things. They hurt Fatima How can they ever be?
So they say no, that is not the is couldn't don't hire him. You ahlulbayt are the best of imaams not the best of almost any longer. And I can go on and on quoting is Jesus. These things are to be found in their books. One of the contemporary scholars who died in the early 90s he was the leading ga scholar of Iraq at the moment his student is the leading scholar they say Elysee study, and he says Danny's teacher was above cost him and holy, I will call him and he wrote a monumental book on the on the Tafseer of the Quran. And in there he has dealt with this issue of the heighth of interpolation of the Quran as well. And he's got two answers. I said that she has to answer the
existence of all these a hottie these were two answers to them. He says some of those reports are unauthentic. And we've been we've visited that answer already. The other side of it, he says these things that are not revelation, but rather interpretation. They're not revelation from Allah, in other words, but he's the interpretation that the Imam gives to the idea. So there's additions Burnley's, Mousavi cannot be fee and say well that that has nothing to do. That's not Quran but there's interpretation of the Quran. It is not Tenzin, but it is that will
how much of an interpretation Could it have been? You know, if Allah tala wanted to tell us all Allah sallallahu wasallam Burundi and matanza, la cannot be convey what has been revealed to you from Allah from Europe, about Ali and allowed upset about Ali. It doesn't require anyone to come afterwards and insert the name of Allah. If Allah wanted the name of Allah to be in the canonical been there
The name of Zig Ziglar the adopted son of us Allah sallallahu Sallam is in Nepal, Kava xeomin hamaca that's what the regard to know what the marriage of a surah Allah Allah Allah, Allah, Allah Xena been to judge.
If the issue of imouto is so much more important than the manager Pasuma salatu salam, then the name of it would have been in the Quran. But Allah has preferred not to have it they and neither is the name of Omar. Neither is the name of abubaker. They no problem to ask because we believe that the khilafah after sola Salallahu Salam is not a matter of divine revelation, but as a matter of selection by the oma
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Solo to rely on is a missing surah and allegedly missing surah that
some say that she claimed to be from now whoever invented Saudi Arabia must be ashamed, because the entire show is about Ali and Muhammad Sallallahu salamina biannually Yun Baba, whom I'm involved in what anila, hockey, or things of this nature. Now, someone is trying very, very hard to imitate the Quran is coming up with a ludicrous example of Arabic prose. But anyway, that surah does appear in some book, some books, the book that made it famous was a book called devasthanam. And it's a book written in Persian and it this book became known in the Indian subcontinent that she has a we've got nothing to do with this book, we don't even know who's the author of this book. Others have said,
that particular soul has not only to be found in that surah can be traced back right up to the books of the Shia themselves. You can find it within the rules, you don't have to go to a weird source such as the understanding that if you can find it in their own sources, at this moment, I'm not 100% sure to which exact sources so they trace them, but the the easiest will have this nature. Now what we can say in some books, there is appears and description of the surah to the car, if the car and tells me I don't believe it. I have to take his word for it. He doesn't believe it. He doesn't believe it. Does that absolve him absolves him? Does that absolve 1200 years of Shiism? He doesn't
absolve him, they need, she has a means to answer for itself in light of his own literature. That individual she can come in and tell us I don't believe in I'll say welcome. You don't believe it, accept that.
Question. Very important question very, very important. In fact, you know, when we sit here, we can get carried away by this particular that discourse of ours. And we can for a moment imagine that the entire world revolves around in our entirety revolves around Sunni and Shia issues.
In our history, we've often seen how our divisions are used against us. Not you don't have to go very far back, I mentioned examples of Afghanistan and Iraq to the invasions of those countries could not have come about if it wasn't for the divisions between Sunni and Shia.
What I did mentioned before, and I want to reiterate and repeat here tonight, is this. What we need to do first of all, in order for us to maintain our legacy in our Qaeda, and pass it on to our children, in an unadulterated form, beyond pastime, we need to have these kinds of programs education, we cannot have a situation where our children are not aware of these particular incidents in history, and which perspective to come to it from
many of us before we probably came to city, we knew not much about this. Going away from here, we know something about it. Together with that we need a dose of realism to inject to be injected with it right now.
I don't know if he's still there. But a week or two ago, Robert Gates was in the Gulf, coming up support against Iran, why Iran's nuclear program going to Saudi Arabia going into the Emirates and everyone else, and forming an alliance against the Iranians. It is a sign of our weakness as Muslims that we allow our divisions like that to be used. So
at a time such as this, I've made it clear before and I wish these would be the things that our friends on the other side would quote, and not out of context. When it comes to international issues, then Sunni Shia stand side by side. These would be the things that our friends from the other side would quote, and not out of context. When it comes to international issues. Then Sunni Shia stand side by side. When it comes to battle map this when it comes to internationals, we stand side by side in India many many years ago when it came to try writing out the British from that country than even Muslim in Hindus to side by side. So when it comes to driving out our common enemy
at the time like that, we don't go into CSR nature's that's how this went. So it comes to that. If one of us had to be the president of a car
A Muslim country and someone comes to him and says that look, I want to go for that country. You know, he'll stay quiet. This reminds me In fact, stone you say now let me tell you what I'll be alone himself something which is a story in which he tells him I'm humble in his book for by the Sahaba inerrancy. He says it's an alley, you know, at the end of his life when he saw this unruly anarchist element in his army, every time going against him going against him. He told the story about three
oxen, free oxen, there was a black one, there was a red one, there was a brown one, I don't even getting the colors correct, but something like that. And one day the lion or the fox came along, and it came to the red one and the brown one I told him that I want to attack the black one. I'm gonna take the black one, I want you to stay on the side, don't get involved, then you will be safe. So he goes attacks the black one and eat him up. And after a while, he comes to the to the brown one is that look, see the red one. I want him You stay out of this. I'm going to go for him. And he does so at last he comes to the last one. Now I'm confused myself. I don't know which ones left. Anyway, the
last one. He comes to him and says that. Now is your turn. And the last oxes or kill to your mom. Oh Kayla thole is what? I have not been eaten today. I was eaten up the day the first ox was eaten up that day already my demise started. Our the divisions in the Muslim world are such
that they seem not to take cognizance of realities of this nature here that we start when you start subdividing against ourselves on those major issues on international arenas. You know, the world looks at us as what the world looks at. These are all leaders of the Kalima Elijah Muhammad Rasul Allah, they look at us like that. I was quoting something and I don't think I completed here I sent him the Hamilton Sierra Nevada. He says the Shia, the Shia, as bad as the leader might be at times. But when Allah looks at them, and they Fiamma he will look at these when he does have the Kalima Allah Muhammad Rasul Allah, they might be that bad. They are not the co founder of this world, they
are not the atheists. They are not the Satanism, those evil people. At least they still have some vestige of La ilaha illAllah Muhammad Rasul Allah Monson. So when it comes to those issues, I think he is by all means we stand shoulder by shoulder. But we have a very big problem, if our international solidarity with the she is abused in our own backyard by the spreading of Shiism, therefore the ball is in the court of our she, our friends, the ball is in their court, which ball the ball that says, Don't upset this very precarious balance, which exists, don't continuously without fail on an ongoing basis, spread literature, both centers, convert the Sunni use, because
when ever you do that, you're making it difficult for us to stand with you on international platform, you are destroying the unity that you are seeking to achieve. This has been the message of Dr. Yusuf al qaradawi. For many, many years, he's been worried about this. He says, Yes, we stand together with this unique national platform. But we get upset when we see Well, the shears are still doing their own things, they are still doing their own, they are still spreading their ideas, they are still speaking ill of the Sahaba we allow them that is what we cannot accept. So what we have, we have local interests, and we have international interests. We don't separate the one from the
other. Internationally, yes, we prepared to stand together locally, don't take advantage of us. When you take advantage of us that even our international solidarity was not standing there, I was taking action in the many that we are taking action here tonight.
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Because they call for unity on the basis of that we are all members of the same Dean, we readers of the same calima. And we all are faced with the same common enemies. That's a simple recipe of why on that basis that we have to stand together, we have much more in common with one another than with what we have what we differ with one another from so we stand together on that. But as I said they constantly spoil the party themselves. Had they stopped with that? Well, I want to add to that something else not going to generalize volunteer. I truly believe that there is in the ranks of the Shia, there are those who also have a problem with the spreading of Shiism in Sunni communities,
they also have a problem with it. I only wish that it would be more of them that would speak out against it. speak out against it because we don't do the same to you. We don't do the same to you don't do the same to us. If we can agree to disagree on certain lines and then we can live together with one another then it's fine. But we've been forced into positions such as this. I make a point now saying that we respond in
The way that we do respond here tonight, it's only by education that we will respond. There will be no weaponry, there'll be no violence, there'll be education in education I think the last part of your answer previously we need to educate our children as we teach them and to be learning or Metallica t wakatobi. What
circumstances has made it such that we need to teach him a bit more about history about what we really want what happened and what did not happen those kinds of things are important because they are probably if not them in your children mine My children than he is but they're gonna come up against some person will still feel it is like and his duty to propagate Shiism in so many communities. And that way we will have to be equipped with come here to equip ourselves a lot of give us tofield inshallah, to take what we have learned and safeguard the safeguard, first of all our own Hockeytown legacy, but never fail in maintaining Muslim unity way counts.