Suhaib Webb – Shia Praying Janaza On A Sunni – Missing The Point

Elvilahi as Sami al Ari, mimin shaitan regime, this milay,

rahman, rahim alhamdulillahi, rabbil alaram Abu asmaada Say,

Edina Muhammad Hati, one more. Sorry,

he was off, but he admired. And blessings upon the Prophet

sallallahu wasallam,

all of his companions, his family, those who follow them, until the

end of time. Assalamu. Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu ask Allah

to make this Jua transformative, powerful and meaningful and a

means for all of us to draw nearer to Allah subhanahu KU wa taala.

Over the last few days, a number of people contacted me and asked

me, especially after the janeza of Ismael Haniya or him or Allah,

as to the validity of that janeza,

because it was led by people who follow Madhab and imamia,

jafaria, Shia community.

And I was asked about this from two perspectives. The first is the

assumption that those people, those Muslims are not are not

Muslim.

The second is that, because in the Janaza, there was no recitation of

Fatiha, then the Janaza was not valid.

Honestly, I was somewhat disturbed by these questions, and I think

that both questions, while certainly I can understand for

people, may be important,

they reflect a greater problem, and that is the failure to

appreciate an opportunity, which I'll talk about at the end. First

of all,

the issue of making takfir or declaring Shia Muslims as non

Muslim

I'll quote from someone who is often used by Muslims who may lean

more to a conservative opinion, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah who and I'll

mention two places, one in majma al Fatih and his answer to a Suki

about The Talaq muallah

That was performed by a

the second in Minhaj as soon and I believe in the majma afatawa,

it's, it's the Second Volume,

page number, 659

to 662

I believe

as well in Minhaj. As soon as I don't remember the actual page

number, forgive me,

but I'm quoting him because he's often used by people to

to declare even Sunnis as out of Islam. And I think it's a failure

for them to understand

the writings of Imam even Tamia, and then to understand for

example, that much mafatawi is not something that is considered

reliable because of how it was collected. He did not write much

mafatao. Someone else wrote it, group of people, but that's

another discussion, a longer discussion. But for example, in

minhaji suna and nabawiya, he mentions that they are not

disbelievers, even though we have fundamental differences with them,

and that that amongst them are a large majority right the masses

Alhamdulillah,

are are Muslim.

And he says they're not Mona philkin, they're not zanad The I'm

quoting him so that those I'm sure it comes from a a deeply committed

passion, but sometimes committed passion, without hikma, it can

destroy things and causes us to miss opportunity. As a muta Nabi

says, your hand right to think before your brave is two braverys.

Right to to think before you act is two actions. So you can go

there. You can read what he said. But I'm quoting him out of many we

could quote, just to kind of cover

all the way to the end of sort of this spectrum of voices where

someone who's often invoked to even declare Muslims,

whether Sunni or Shia, out of Islam. Here you see his position.

You can read it there. I don't have the quote memorized it. I

apologize

as for salatul janeza. We know that as.

Mentioned by Kamal Ibn Humam in in his explanation of fatal Qadir, I

believe volume two, page 121, I'm studying Hanafi fiqh now with a

Mufti in Karachi. So I'm not by any means, a master of hanafiq,

but I can quote this for you. He clearly states the statement of

Imam ABI Hanifa Rahim mohola, that the Fatiha is not something that

has to be recited in the janeza, and it should only, only be

recited like be near Tina,

right, as an expression of praising Allah subhanho wa taala.

So the prayer the janeza and some don't, some considered dua, by the

way, is valid

without Al Fatiha.

For us Maliki's. We know that in the muata, the narration of abula

ibn Al muradi allahuma, that He actually prayed the Janaza without

al Fatiha from Nafa to say, namadi qurahi muhola. We also know that

in the mudah, you know, I believe it says about wala Yu Qura al

Fatih. Wala Yu, Qura Allah janeza That Fatiha doesn't have to be

recited. It's not recited. And Imam Al habab in Muay, Jalil ala

Mukhtar sukhali, which is for us, a book for fatwa. He He also, I

think, in the second volume, maybe page 21 page 31 he also says that

Fatiha does not have to be recited

in the prayer. And Imam the Suki in his important, important,

important book for us we study it when we study IFTA, right, when we

study to give fatwa. This is the book we study, Kabir. He mentions

very clearly this position, so, not reciting al Fatiha on the in

Janaza is not a means to invalidate the Janaza, according

to the Hanafis, according to the malikis, Imam Kodama and Al mohni.

And I know that almoni is not the reliable book amongst the

hanabila. He mentions this also. We know that the shafis are the

ones who say to jebu Al Fatiha. They're the ones who say that

Fatiha has to be recited. So the majority of Sunni jurists do not

make reciting Fatiha a stipulation for the validity of the Janessa

and I gave you the sources. I'm always open to learn and grow, but

this is what I know and what I was taught, Alhamdulillah, belamin, we

also know that Allah, azzar, Shaykh, Muhammad, shelto, Rahim

Allah, he wrote a very, very long fatwa on the permissibility of

Sunnis to follow imamia and their ibadah. And that's why in the

College of Sharia, we learned many of the opinions of Sadat.

Jafaria. And also we learned the opinions of other method, but

specifically, because the goal was to make what's called, you know,

to make

where that sofu Muslim.

So we, we have to be very careful. We should stay away from declaring

Shias as Kufa. We saw what happened, I think, in Pakistan a

few days ago. We don't know who did it, right? And as Shia should

be careful of those Shia who encourage you to make takfir of

Sunnis, although they're very marginalized group, and we see

that the salt of the Ummah, the voice of the Ummah on this janazah

is what we should learn from that. In Iran, Shia Muslim brothers and

sisters in huge numbers gathered to pray over a Sunni.

And we saw in Qatar, also a large number of Sunnis came to pray over

the Sunni the Prophet sallallahu, salaam, TASH tamiti, Alaba, my

community does not agree on falsehood. So stay away from

making tech fear of any of the people of the Qibla right? We say,

La Ilaha, illallah, Muhammad, Allah, sallAllahu. We have our

differences. We have to engage and even have tough conversations on

these differences, but the lesson that I fail people are missing

here is an opportunity for the unity of the Muslims, especially

in this moment when so many things are happening to Muslims in a very

violent, egregious way. How is it that we could turn this moment to

discussing filth, issues and issues of theology and not

appreciating the fact that Muslims came together

and that our our strength and our growth is in pragmatic unity that

acknowledges our differences, doesn't push them under the rug,

has tough conversations amongst imma and the Scholars and

someone's asking, how can we have unity with those who curse the

sahaba? That's a conversation that has to happen. But you can find

books even written by some great Shia scholars like Borat to Asha,

where they declare Aisha is innocent of those things that the

book Barat al Faruq noting that those narrations about Sayyidina

Amar, which.

Are too disgusting to mention, are false. Those are written by Shia

ulama, but especially if someone is not trained, they themselves

are not an Adam, and they are not able to negotiate and move through

the contours of these discussions. Why get involved? Let, let the

scholars discuss this. Let the Ulama who who know the adeb and

the methods and the in the periphery to discuss, because God

forbid you make fear of someone who's not careful, and God forbid

you, you, you, you are too intense in your criticism. Because you may

have heard something from here there. What I've seen, usually

from Shia and Sunni polemics on the far side, is they quote the

anomalies of both communities and present them as the normative,

and present it as a norm, which is incorrect. Doesn't mean that we

don't have very serious differences, serious differences

that have to be discussed, but not to the level of Sheik shaulti

mentioned. Sheik shatul knows more than all of us. Even Tamiya knows

more than all of us. Al hatab, al medic, he knows more than all of

us. Imam Matic, the mobile one, they know more than us. I should

be humble and I say, well, well, well, I can ask questions. Of

course, I should ask questions. But also there should come a point

in time where I say to myself, I am. I am. I am not of the caliber

of these people. And that's the challenge of social media. It

inflates the ego. And if you're spending your time just watching

people attack other Muslims, you are now part of this project to

dismantle and destroy and weaken the ummah of the Prophet,

salallahu, alaihi wasabi ibasallah. That's what Adah habi

mentions in Sierra ala manubala, quoting his teacher, Imam Ibn

Taymiyyah, Rahima Humala, he said. Ibn Taymiyyah said, I will never

make tuck fear of anyone from the this is also the statement for

those of us Abu Asmaa ashali from the son of Rahim Allah, said

something very, very similar, also quoted by Ava Habibi and Sia. But

the point is, for those people that are up in arms over this, did

they even pray Salat Allah, IB for Haniya, Rahim Allah, did they even

pray for him? Or they're just fighting, arguing, attacking. Is

one Shia brother mentioned in the comments that the tel ain of the

Sahaba is a majority of the Shia. It's not the majority. That's why

I said you have to have strong conversations with people. You

have to push in. It's very evil. It's very easy to pass on an evil

everything we hear from people. Just because something's online

doesn't mean it's correct. Just because something's online and

someone may say something doesn't mean it's right. That's why I

mentioned the resources, so that you you can look into this for

yourself. Same thing for the Martha lights. Imam Ibn taymiyya

has a very interesting essay that he wrote on the essay of unity,

and he said the Sahaba, they prayed janazah on the marsilites,

the khawarij, excuse me, and they, they just they distributed their

wealth according to the Sharia inheritance laws. Because even

though they differed with them and they considered them people of

innovation, they still felt they were Muslim as Imam even had a

writes brilliantly in the beginning of fat for Badi that

just because you or I may consider someone as a bida. Doesn't mean

the Kufa. That's why buchare, he narrates from Shia in Sahib

Buhari, you can check it for yourself. Imam Shafi in his

Musnad. Rawa, Ana shiry, Imam Hari in in Sahih Bukhari, narrates from

a Jamia. He narrates from people who wahadi. He narrates. And even

Hajjah says something incredible, if we were to throw out all the

people that we consider people of innovation, we would have no

Hadith, let alone even some of the So be very, very careful about

these issues. And if you haven't studied, and I say this, jakhata

did, and that the short of tabir in tafsir,

be careful,

because you can be inadvertently used by the agents of Islam to

dismantle and weaken our community. What's the lesson that

we should have taken from this moment? Is not this personality,

even to, as I mentioned, why I quoted Imam, even Tamia, for a

reason to to to calm if you were the buoyancy of of the Salafi

community, it is the wet of the Ummah,

the strength and unity of the Ummah, the bombs that are killing

Muslims don't care what meth Have you belonged to. They don't care

what your Sheik or your Sheik or this. They don't care the enemies

of Islam actually appreciate the power of Muslim unity more than we

do. That's why they punish us indiscriminately, whether

militarily, whether economically, whether with draconian laws, even

within democracies, whether it's going on in republics like France,

they don't care what men have you follow. They don't care who your

Sheik is. They don't care if you're Sunni Shiite Mart, they

don't care.

They actually appreciate the power of our unity more than we do.

So I just wanted to quickly address this issue, because I

really felt that people missed the point. Some of people that they

got caught up in making tech for.

Of Shia, which you should not do as a Sunni, you should not do you

should not do without tafsir, there's no tattfilla be tasil.

But in general, as mentioned by Ibn tenya Shak Shah, taught and

others make takfir of these people, even though we have very

serious differences. The second issue is that the Salah is valid

even according to the majority of Sunnis, because al Fatiha is not a

condition of the janeza.

The third issue, as my brother Amir just wrote, why is that the

issue like we're facing, very serious,

you know, universal problems that impact all of us. And we have time

to debate on secondary issues,

on secondary issues. So I hope, Alhamdulillah, that this will

bring some balance to the answer ask Allah to bring with the

amongst the Muslims in a pragmatic way that allows us to bring

together real power, economically, politically, communally, to

protect ourselves and to strengthen us. And Allah commands

us not to be disunited in this way. What right? Don't divide the

essence of your ummah. We may certainly have very serious

concerns and issues over discussions that we may have, but

I like to ask people, did you actually ask a Sunni imam or

Shaykh? Did you actually ask a Shia Marja or Ayatollah? What did

you hear it from somebody online? You have to be very careful,

because we will be asked about what we say will be asked about

the information that we spend. So may Allah subhanahu wa,

bless us all to be more responsible

to understand Subhan WA, the seriousness of this issue now,

even someone in my comments is talking about even Tamia mistakes

ahi, that's not, that's not the lesson you need to be taking right

now. He may have had 17 mistakes. He may have had 18 things he was

right on. That's his, that's that's between him and Allah

subhanaw taala. The bigger issue is get out of this quicksand of

these little particulars about personalities. I remember one time

I met one Muslim. He told me Imam Abu Hamid Al vazari is Kafir. Aruz

Abila Imam, Abu Hamid vazari is deviant. This, this, this. Then I

said to me, Hey, man, I became Muslim like you. Can you even read

al Fatiha correctly? Do you even know how to pray it? And he said,

No, it says SubhanAllah. You're making taqfir of Abu Hamid Al

Vaziri. But you can't pray. You don't even know how to pray in

prayer, it's hard on you,

and so that is

the issue. And I love what someone just said, may Allah, bless you.

My bigger concern is people who didn't pray on it. Like, where are

the people who didn't pray on

that? As Imam ibta mentions that Manhattan Sunna, as he mentions, I

believe in Manhattan, fatawa, it's volume two, page 659, this

discussion between him and Suki about taala, he says that they're

not kufar. This is even to EMIA. And then we mentioned from fatal

Kadir Kamal al Din Imam, his explanation that Salat doesn't

have to have Fatiha. Sahid Sayyidina, Imam Jalil. He mentions

the Fatiha is not something that has to be in Jazza as well as the

supi on Shah Kabir Sheik Khalil.

So the point is, this issue is not where we should be, what we should

be is thinking about the opportunity of unity on an issue,

the opportunity of unity that's needed now as we as we push in, at

least here in America in a very tedious election year, we see

what's going on with Muslims in the UK, we see what's happening in

France. We see what's happening globally. Yet we have the capacity

to argue about

secondary issues. So ask Allah to make this a lesson for the

importance of with the and to bring us together and to make us

as an ummah who has his differences and pushes through

tough differences and doesn't have to agree. But if we say, La Ilaha,

illAllah Muhammad, Rasulullah, sallAllahu, Hari Wadi was Abu

Asmaa and our ulama are telling us that we are not khufa, not Tiktok

personalities and YouTube personalities,

people that have Rasul and the knowledge

the sign of ulama is that they allow us to focus on what's really

important, not one second,

but

may Allah increases and increase your hair. My apologies for taking

too much of your time. If you feel this is important, I encourage you

to share with others baraklafi, which is Amara, said Muhammad

Salam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi.