Suhaib Webb – Shia Praying Janaza On A Sunni – Missing The Point
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The Janissistic period was a period where confusion surrounding the origin of the Jua message and the use of Shia Muslims as a means to declare non- Islam was commonplace. The importance of strong conversations with people to avoid becoming criticized and the need for strong conversations with people to avoid becoming criticized was emphasized. The speakers emphasized the importance of unity in the face of violent and egregious activities and warned against reciting Sunnis' statement of the Janaza. They also discussed issues with the Sunni versus Shia (the arrival of Islam) community, including universal issues and the need for people to be more responsible, and warned against sharing information online and denying "will" in politics.
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Elvilahi as Sami al Ari, mimin shaitan regime, this milay,
rahman, rahim alhamdulillahi, rabbil alaram Abu asmaada Say,
Edina Muhammad Hati, one more. Sorry,
he was off, but he admired. And blessings upon the Prophet
sallallahu wasallam,
all of his companions, his family, those who follow them, until the
end of time. Assalamu. Alaikum wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu ask Allah
to make this Jua transformative, powerful and meaningful and a
means for all of us to draw nearer to Allah subhanahu KU wa taala.
Over the last few days, a number of people contacted me and asked
me, especially after the janeza of Ismael Haniya or him or Allah,
as to the validity of that janeza,
because it was led by people who follow Madhab and imamia,
jafaria, Shia community.
And I was asked about this from two perspectives. The first is the
assumption that those people, those Muslims are not are not
Muslim.
The second is that, because in the Janaza, there was no recitation of
Fatiha, then the Janaza was not valid.
Honestly, I was somewhat disturbed by these questions, and I think
that both questions, while certainly I can understand for
people, may be important,
they reflect a greater problem, and that is the failure to
appreciate an opportunity, which I'll talk about at the end. First
of all,
the issue of making takfir or declaring Shia Muslims as non
Muslim
I'll quote from someone who is often used by Muslims who may lean
more to a conservative opinion, Imam Ibn Taymiyyah who and I'll
mention two places, one in majma al Fatih and his answer to a Suki
about The Talaq muallah
That was performed by a
the second in Minhaj as soon and I believe in the majma afatawa,
it's, it's the Second Volume,
page number, 659
to 662
I believe
as well in Minhaj. As soon as I don't remember the actual page
number, forgive me,
but I'm quoting him because he's often used by people to
to declare even Sunnis as out of Islam. And I think it's a failure
for them to understand
the writings of Imam even Tamia, and then to understand for
example, that much mafatawi is not something that is considered
reliable because of how it was collected. He did not write much
mafatao. Someone else wrote it, group of people, but that's
another discussion, a longer discussion. But for example, in
minhaji suna and nabawiya, he mentions that they are not
disbelievers, even though we have fundamental differences with them,
and that that amongst them are a large majority right the masses
Alhamdulillah,
are are Muslim.
And he says they're not Mona philkin, they're not zanad The I'm
quoting him so that those I'm sure it comes from a a deeply committed
passion, but sometimes committed passion, without hikma, it can
destroy things and causes us to miss opportunity. As a muta Nabi
says, your hand right to think before your brave is two braverys.
Right to to think before you act is two actions. So you can go
there. You can read what he said. But I'm quoting him out of many we
could quote, just to kind of cover
all the way to the end of sort of this spectrum of voices where
someone who's often invoked to even declare Muslims,
whether Sunni or Shia, out of Islam. Here you see his position.
You can read it there. I don't have the quote memorized it. I
apologize
as for salatul janeza. We know that as.
Mentioned by Kamal Ibn Humam in in his explanation of fatal Qadir, I
believe volume two, page 121, I'm studying Hanafi fiqh now with a
Mufti in Karachi. So I'm not by any means, a master of hanafiq,
but I can quote this for you. He clearly states the statement of
Imam ABI Hanifa Rahim mohola, that the Fatiha is not something that
has to be recited in the janeza, and it should only, only be
recited like be near Tina,
right, as an expression of praising Allah subhanho wa taala.
So the prayer the janeza and some don't, some considered dua, by the
way, is valid
without Al Fatiha.
For us Maliki's. We know that in the muata, the narration of abula
ibn Al muradi allahuma, that He actually prayed the Janaza without
al Fatiha from Nafa to say, namadi qurahi muhola. We also know that
in the mudah, you know, I believe it says about wala Yu Qura al
Fatih. Wala Yu, Qura Allah janeza That Fatiha doesn't have to be
recited. It's not recited. And Imam Al habab in Muay, Jalil ala
Mukhtar sukhali, which is for us, a book for fatwa. He He also, I
think, in the second volume, maybe page 21 page 31 he also says that
Fatiha does not have to be recited
in the prayer. And Imam the Suki in his important, important,
important book for us we study it when we study IFTA, right, when we
study to give fatwa. This is the book we study, Kabir. He mentions
very clearly this position, so, not reciting al Fatiha on the in
Janaza is not a means to invalidate the Janaza, according
to the Hanafis, according to the malikis, Imam Kodama and Al mohni.
And I know that almoni is not the reliable book amongst the
hanabila. He mentions this also. We know that the shafis are the
ones who say to jebu Al Fatiha. They're the ones who say that
Fatiha has to be recited. So the majority of Sunni jurists do not
make reciting Fatiha a stipulation for the validity of the Janessa
and I gave you the sources. I'm always open to learn and grow, but
this is what I know and what I was taught, Alhamdulillah, belamin, we
also know that Allah, azzar, Shaykh, Muhammad, shelto, Rahim
Allah, he wrote a very, very long fatwa on the permissibility of
Sunnis to follow imamia and their ibadah. And that's why in the
College of Sharia, we learned many of the opinions of Sadat.
Jafaria. And also we learned the opinions of other method, but
specifically, because the goal was to make what's called, you know,
to make
where that sofu Muslim.
So we, we have to be very careful. We should stay away from declaring
Shias as Kufa. We saw what happened, I think, in Pakistan a
few days ago. We don't know who did it, right? And as Shia should
be careful of those Shia who encourage you to make takfir of
Sunnis, although they're very marginalized group, and we see
that the salt of the Ummah, the voice of the Ummah on this janazah
is what we should learn from that. In Iran, Shia Muslim brothers and
sisters in huge numbers gathered to pray over a Sunni.
And we saw in Qatar, also a large number of Sunnis came to pray over
the Sunni the Prophet sallallahu, salaam, TASH tamiti, Alaba, my
community does not agree on falsehood. So stay away from
making tech fear of any of the people of the Qibla right? We say,
La Ilaha, illallah, Muhammad, Allah, sallAllahu. We have our
differences. We have to engage and even have tough conversations on
these differences, but the lesson that I fail people are missing
here is an opportunity for the unity of the Muslims, especially
in this moment when so many things are happening to Muslims in a very
violent, egregious way. How is it that we could turn this moment to
discussing filth, issues and issues of theology and not
appreciating the fact that Muslims came together
and that our our strength and our growth is in pragmatic unity that
acknowledges our differences, doesn't push them under the rug,
has tough conversations amongst imma and the Scholars and
someone's asking, how can we have unity with those who curse the
sahaba? That's a conversation that has to happen. But you can find
books even written by some great Shia scholars like Borat to Asha,
where they declare Aisha is innocent of those things that the
book Barat al Faruq noting that those narrations about Sayyidina
Amar, which.
Are too disgusting to mention, are false. Those are written by Shia
ulama, but especially if someone is not trained, they themselves
are not an Adam, and they are not able to negotiate and move through
the contours of these discussions. Why get involved? Let, let the
scholars discuss this. Let the Ulama who who know the adeb and
the methods and the in the periphery to discuss, because God
forbid you make fear of someone who's not careful, and God forbid
you, you, you, you are too intense in your criticism. Because you may
have heard something from here there. What I've seen, usually
from Shia and Sunni polemics on the far side, is they quote the
anomalies of both communities and present them as the normative,
and present it as a norm, which is incorrect. Doesn't mean that we
don't have very serious differences, serious differences
that have to be discussed, but not to the level of Sheik shaulti
mentioned. Sheik shatul knows more than all of us. Even Tamiya knows
more than all of us. Al hatab, al medic, he knows more than all of
us. Imam Matic, the mobile one, they know more than us. I should
be humble and I say, well, well, well, I can ask questions. Of
course, I should ask questions. But also there should come a point
in time where I say to myself, I am. I am. I am not of the caliber
of these people. And that's the challenge of social media. It
inflates the ego. And if you're spending your time just watching
people attack other Muslims, you are now part of this project to
dismantle and destroy and weaken the ummah of the Prophet,
salallahu, alaihi wasabi ibasallah. That's what Adah habi
mentions in Sierra ala manubala, quoting his teacher, Imam Ibn
Taymiyyah, Rahima Humala, he said. Ibn Taymiyyah said, I will never
make tuck fear of anyone from the this is also the statement for
those of us Abu Asmaa ashali from the son of Rahim Allah, said
something very, very similar, also quoted by Ava Habibi and Sia. But
the point is, for those people that are up in arms over this, did
they even pray Salat Allah, IB for Haniya, Rahim Allah, did they even
pray for him? Or they're just fighting, arguing, attacking. Is
one Shia brother mentioned in the comments that the tel ain of the
Sahaba is a majority of the Shia. It's not the majority. That's why
I said you have to have strong conversations with people. You
have to push in. It's very evil. It's very easy to pass on an evil
everything we hear from people. Just because something's online
doesn't mean it's correct. Just because something's online and
someone may say something doesn't mean it's right. That's why I
mentioned the resources, so that you you can look into this for
yourself. Same thing for the Martha lights. Imam Ibn taymiyya
has a very interesting essay that he wrote on the essay of unity,
and he said the Sahaba, they prayed janazah on the marsilites,
the khawarij, excuse me, and they, they just they distributed their
wealth according to the Sharia inheritance laws. Because even
though they differed with them and they considered them people of
innovation, they still felt they were Muslim as Imam even had a
writes brilliantly in the beginning of fat for Badi that
just because you or I may consider someone as a bida. Doesn't mean
the Kufa. That's why buchare, he narrates from Shia in Sahib
Buhari, you can check it for yourself. Imam Shafi in his
Musnad. Rawa, Ana shiry, Imam Hari in in Sahih Bukhari, narrates from
a Jamia. He narrates from people who wahadi. He narrates. And even
Hajjah says something incredible, if we were to throw out all the
people that we consider people of innovation, we would have no
Hadith, let alone even some of the So be very, very careful about
these issues. And if you haven't studied, and I say this, jakhata
did, and that the short of tabir in tafsir,
be careful,
because you can be inadvertently used by the agents of Islam to
dismantle and weaken our community. What's the lesson that
we should have taken from this moment? Is not this personality,
even to, as I mentioned, why I quoted Imam, even Tamia, for a
reason to to to calm if you were the buoyancy of of the Salafi
community, it is the wet of the Ummah,
the strength and unity of the Ummah, the bombs that are killing
Muslims don't care what meth Have you belonged to. They don't care
what your Sheik or your Sheik or this. They don't care the enemies
of Islam actually appreciate the power of Muslim unity more than we
do. That's why they punish us indiscriminately, whether
militarily, whether economically, whether with draconian laws, even
within democracies, whether it's going on in republics like France,
they don't care what men have you follow. They don't care who your
Sheik is. They don't care if you're Sunni Shiite Mart, they
don't care.
They actually appreciate the power of our unity more than we do.
So I just wanted to quickly address this issue, because I
really felt that people missed the point. Some of people that they
got caught up in making tech for.
Of Shia, which you should not do as a Sunni, you should not do you
should not do without tafsir, there's no tattfilla be tasil.
But in general, as mentioned by Ibn tenya Shak Shah, taught and
others make takfir of these people, even though we have very
serious differences. The second issue is that the Salah is valid
even according to the majority of Sunnis, because al Fatiha is not a
condition of the janeza.
The third issue, as my brother Amir just wrote, why is that the
issue like we're facing, very serious,
you know, universal problems that impact all of us. And we have time
to debate on secondary issues,
on secondary issues. So I hope, Alhamdulillah, that this will
bring some balance to the answer ask Allah to bring with the
amongst the Muslims in a pragmatic way that allows us to bring
together real power, economically, politically, communally, to
protect ourselves and to strengthen us. And Allah commands
us not to be disunited in this way. What right? Don't divide the
essence of your ummah. We may certainly have very serious
concerns and issues over discussions that we may have, but
I like to ask people, did you actually ask a Sunni imam or
Shaykh? Did you actually ask a Shia Marja or Ayatollah? What did
you hear it from somebody online? You have to be very careful,
because we will be asked about what we say will be asked about
the information that we spend. So may Allah subhanahu wa,
bless us all to be more responsible
to understand Subhan WA, the seriousness of this issue now,
even someone in my comments is talking about even Tamia mistakes
ahi, that's not, that's not the lesson you need to be taking right
now. He may have had 17 mistakes. He may have had 18 things he was
right on. That's his, that's that's between him and Allah
subhanaw taala. The bigger issue is get out of this quicksand of
these little particulars about personalities. I remember one time
I met one Muslim. He told me Imam Abu Hamid Al vazari is Kafir. Aruz
Abila Imam, Abu Hamid vazari is deviant. This, this, this. Then I
said to me, Hey, man, I became Muslim like you. Can you even read
al Fatiha correctly? Do you even know how to pray it? And he said,
No, it says SubhanAllah. You're making taqfir of Abu Hamid Al
Vaziri. But you can't pray. You don't even know how to pray in
prayer, it's hard on you,
and so that is
the issue. And I love what someone just said, may Allah, bless you.
My bigger concern is people who didn't pray on it. Like, where are
the people who didn't pray on
that? As Imam ibta mentions that Manhattan Sunna, as he mentions, I
believe in Manhattan, fatawa, it's volume two, page 659, this
discussion between him and Suki about taala, he says that they're
not kufar. This is even to EMIA. And then we mentioned from fatal
Kadir Kamal al Din Imam, his explanation that Salat doesn't
have to have Fatiha. Sahid Sayyidina, Imam Jalil. He mentions
the Fatiha is not something that has to be in Jazza as well as the
supi on Shah Kabir Sheik Khalil.
So the point is, this issue is not where we should be, what we should
be is thinking about the opportunity of unity on an issue,
the opportunity of unity that's needed now as we as we push in, at
least here in America in a very tedious election year, we see
what's going on with Muslims in the UK, we see what's happening in
France. We see what's happening globally. Yet we have the capacity
to argue about
secondary issues. So ask Allah to make this a lesson for the
importance of with the and to bring us together and to make us
as an ummah who has his differences and pushes through
tough differences and doesn't have to agree. But if we say, La Ilaha,
illAllah Muhammad, Rasulullah, sallAllahu, Hari Wadi was Abu
Asmaa and our ulama are telling us that we are not khufa, not Tiktok
personalities and YouTube personalities,
people that have Rasul and the knowledge
the sign of ulama is that they allow us to focus on what's really
important, not one second,
but
may Allah increases and increase your hair. My apologies for taking
too much of your time. If you feel this is important, I encourage you
to share with others baraklafi, which is Amara, said Muhammad
Salam Alaikum Wa Rahmatullahi.