Suhaib Webb – A Response to Asim & Hafs Were Weak in Hadith
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The speakers stress the importance of the signs of hadith and the science of the numbers of time in Arabic language. They criticize the confusion surrounding the term "has acts" and the mistake people make in applying terminology. The speakers emphasize the need to be careful with terminology and have a good centered centered centered idea. The importance of strong language and writing is emphasized, along with the use of "hasith" in the script and the significance of the "hasith" concept in the Hayith script.
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Assam, excuse me, read to 2 people.
Abi Abdarrahman al Solemi
and this narrator of this hadith.
It's very important to note it.
Zir ibn Khabeis
was the Sheikh of Asim.
And Zir,
he read to who?
Saydna Ali?
Saydna Abileh
and Usman ibn Affair. That means between,
arson
and the Sahaba is how many people?
One person.
That's what one of our teachers, he said,
I forgot the poem, but it's
This poem our teacher used to say to
us with the suned
Tahafs
And your Sheikh here the Imam who teaches
for Ijazah, he's a great teacher you should
take advantage of him.
Don't sleep on
him. He's a very qualified person.
He can tell you everything I'm telling you.
But SubhanAllah,
why is this important?
Because,
yeah,
there is some concern within the scholars of
Hadith that
is daith,
and Hasid is daith. So what?
We're not talking about the signs of hadith.
And that's the first sign that the person
does not know what they're talking about. I
say that respectfully
as much respect as I can.
Because the signs of hadith
and the science of Kira'a,
and haruf, and furush are not the same
science.
So someone may be excellent
in one science
and not excellent in another,
and this is where we have to be
very careful with terminology
and having a good suspicion of Muslims.
I can say this, I've been Muslim almost
30 years SubhanAllah.
What saved
so many people I knew is a good
suspicion with the Ummah.
Good suspicion of people. When when there's when
there's no need to have a bad suspicion.
But now we have bad suspicion of people
that live a 1000 years ago, that's not
even fair man. Never met them.
In the Quran Allah says, We ask Allah
to forgive those who came before us.
Well, at one time there was one Sheikh
in the Azhar, I know he has like
a problem with the imam ibn Taymiyyah.
Academically
we all know these wars that happen.
And there were some agents, muhabarat
of the Egyptian government,
they used to go and try to ask
him always, ibn Taymiyyah, Imam, ibn Taymiyyah. They
were trying to create
because the sunafis and sufis used to go
to his class. So they wanted to create
that difference. So the sheikh's class would what?
What would happen to his class?
It would divide. But the sheikh who was
old, he passed away
was smart.
So they kept asking him, just Iben Timi,
just Iben Timi, Iben Timi, Iben Timi.
Then he said, I have an answer for
Imam Iben Timi.
He said, what he said?
He said, my answer is that verse is
* Hashir. Forgive those who came before. Now
so many people can you imagine Al Ghazari
and Ebatimiyyah on the day of judgment? How
many people's hasanat they're gonna take?
Yeah, 1000000 people, millions of people. They never
met them. You can say, Here's Sheikh. Sheikh,
here's my hasanat.
Where
did you live? I lived in the 4th
you know, 15th century after hijri. I died
in the 7th century. How did you slander
me? What? Are you stupid?
You would slander me? And I didn't even
I didn't live with you?
SubhanAllah that's why Abdullah ibn Mubarak said, If
I was going to backbite anyone it would
be my parents because they have the most
right to all my good deeds.
Look how childish we became and in so
much hatred we have in our hearts because
maybe inadvertently because of colonialism
and Islamophobia,
we actually hate Islam.
And so we hate the Muslims.
Subliminally, we won't admit it, but maybe that's
the issue. That deep inside us, we have
a problem with our own deen and our
own community to the point. Look how we
viciously attack each other. Look at that Sheikh.
So subhanAllah if we go to, for example,
Imam Athahabi,
Rahim Ohola,
And he talks about Al Asim,
Imam Asim.
He said, Yeah. He was he was weak
in hadith.
But he was an imam Anukira'a wal huroof.
Yeah. He's not, he's not a professional
narrator of hadith. And this is one of
the problems of the contemporary age. People think
the science of hadith,
That's a mistake.
The science of hadith has its place. The
science of Arabic language has its place.
The Science of Rhetoric has its place, the
Science of each of these have their own
terminology, their own systems,
their own I'll give a great example.
People say, Al Waqidi is Da'if. So people
read like to see you're a Martin Lynx.
I don't agree with perennialism so let me
just say that I have a problem with
that stuff, that perennial stuff. But the book
itself, I remember people were saying, you know,
he relates from Al Waqidi and Waqidi is
Da'if. Yeah, only in Maghazi bro,
only in battles,
but he's not Da'if and everything.
So the mistake of people in applying and
understanding terminology,
I heard this from Sheikh Ahmed, Sheikh
Mahbat. You need, Imam al Waqidi Rahimullah is
only Da'if and Maghazi
when he narrated about the battles, but the
other stuff he's what? He's good.
Same thing now someone read, Man, Imam hafs
and awesome, he's daiyf and hadith, call us
I'm not gonna read their Quran anymore. Are
you crazy?
Was Imam Malik from the Quran of Quran?
Do you take hadith from Imam Malik? Was
Bukhari from the the the authenticated rewaiat of
Quran?
Saying, Imam Al Bukhari.
Is he from the Quran? No. Do you
take hadith from him? Now you see what
I'm trying to say. Al Amash.
Saidi Imam al Amash who was strong in
language.
Weak in Quran.
AbbaHaq, the great Mufasir,
strong in tafsir, weak in hadith.
Who said that Adhaabi? In fact, Adhaabi says
something very nice about Al Amash. He said,
Look at Imam Damm. He's a genius because
he knows how people gonna try to play.
So he said, you know, Al Amash is
strong in language
and weak in Quran.
What does it mean he's in the opposition
of Hafs? Hafs is strong in Quran but
weak in what subject?
Language.
What? Now we Oh man, I didn't think
Yeah. Because having a good suspicion will save
us a lot of trouble.
So, yeah.
Although Imam Ahmed,
he said this
that Sayna Imam Aasim is tukah.
They're both taka
and that's very important. What does taka mean?
It means that the concern for their weakness
in hadith is not in their character, but
in their what? The academic qualifications.
You see something there. That's why they call
them suduk.
Some people read suduk, they think, oh this
hadith sahay la la la. Suduk means the
person is good in their hadala but maybe
bad in the bibat.
I'm sure Sheikh
Farhan is gonna teach you all this stuff.
Why is that important? So that means that
Imam Asim and Imam Hafs in hadith, they're
not da'if because they're bad people, they're da'if
because of what?
Their academic qualifications
and that makes sense.
And that's why SubhanAllah I wrote it here.
It's a great quote of Imam ibn Hajar
who said,
because they were so busy with Quran.
Anyone who did anyone here did the Saba
or the Kubra or the Surah
when you do it, anyone here memorize the
Quran?
When you memorize the Quran, do you have
time to do anything else?
Do you have time to do anything else?
So that that was their that was what
that was their thing. They were the madrasa
of Quran. So it wasn't that they tried
to be scholars of hadith or that they
were evil or some kind of bad, you
know, character when it came to the sons
of hadith. No, no. Their focus was what?
Preservation of what? The book of Allah.
Prophet be careful of a bad suspicion,
especially with those who came before us. So
let me reiterate what I'm saying here because
I saw online, unfortunately,
online is crazy man. You know,
people saying that Hafs is weak in Hadith
and Asim is weak in Hadith.
So I gave you this, the chain of
their sheikh just now
in Quran, this person in front of us,
Zir ibn Khabeish.
But then I talked about the fact that
yeah, maybe, maybe they were weak in hadith
but not weak because of their character. Weak
because of what?
They had the academic qualifications. How many people
can be Buhari?
How many people can be Abdullah ibn Umar?
How many people can be Malik? How many
people can be Ahmed?
Sayyidina Imam Ahmed, he used to ask Shafi'i
about the Arabic language.
Because Sayyidina Imam Shafi'i
mutabahr
in language. And Sayyidina Imam Shafi'i, he used
to ask Imam Ahmed about what? Asanid.
Because
Ahmed
RadiAllahu Anhu
his specialty is what? Hadith.
Shafi'i
Mashallah
His Arabic language is
is unbelievable.
So here we see something.
Number 1, it's hard to find someone that
mastered all the sciences. People think a true
scholar, they mastered all the sciences. You're crazy.
You
You have no idea what you're talking about.
That's impossible.
It's very rare.
Number 2 is,
that just because a scholar may have not
excelled in one area of an academic field
that doesn't mean she or he
were not Imams in other areas.
That's very normal.
Would you go to Sheikh Sharawi for a
dentist?
To get your teeth replaced?
But you take tafsir. Would you go to
the dentist for tafsir?
I hope not.
So you see the point here. And then
last thing we said is that their weakness
is not because of their character. That's very
important to emphasize.
In fact,
Imam ibn al Josi says about 'Asim, he
says,
He mentions like,
you know, his issues with him and hadith.
But he says, but in his character
and in him in as a person, he's
tiqah.
Meaning like his character is good. He's not
he's not a shady person.
He's not a dubious person. But then in
his focus, his field,
So this should hopefully, next time you run
into this, don't, don't try to argue with
people because it's a little complicated, right? It's
a little complicated,
But you could teach the people.
We wanna, we want people to have confidence
with the book of Allah.
Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
Not doubt in the book of Allah. If
there's doubt in that,
it's a wrap bro.
It's a done deal. So this hadith, mashaAllah,
of Zir ibn Habesh.
Well, Zir ibn Habesh, he was a very
interesting person because he was always seeking knowledge.
He used to drive people crazy.