Suhaib Webb – A Response to Asim & Hafs Were Weak in Hadith

Suhaib Webb
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The speakers stress the importance of the signs of hadith and the science of the numbers of time in Arabic language. They criticize the confusion surrounding the term "has acts" and the mistake people make in applying terminology. The speakers emphasize the need to be careful with terminology and have a good centered centered centered idea. The importance of strong language and writing is emphasized, along with the use of "hasith" in the script and the significance of the "hasith" concept in the Hayith script.
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Assam, excuse me, read to 2 people.

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Abi Abdarrahman al Solemi

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and this narrator of this hadith.

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It's very important to note it.

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Zir ibn Khabeis

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was the Sheikh of Asim.

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And Zir,

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he read to who?

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Saydna Ali?

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Saydna Abileh

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and Usman ibn Affair. That means between,

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arson

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and the Sahaba is how many people?

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One person.

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That's what one of our teachers, he said,

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I forgot the poem, but it's

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This poem our teacher used to say to

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us with the suned

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Tahafs

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And your Sheikh here the Imam who teaches

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for Ijazah, he's a great teacher you should

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take advantage of him.

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Don't sleep on

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him. He's a very qualified person.

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He can tell you everything I'm telling you.

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But SubhanAllah,

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why is this important?

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Because,

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yeah,

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there is some concern within the scholars of

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Hadith that

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is daith,

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and Hasid is daith. So what?

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We're not talking about the signs of hadith.

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And that's the first sign that the person

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does not know what they're talking about. I

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say that respectfully

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as much respect as I can.

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Because the signs of hadith

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and the science of Kira'a,

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and haruf, and furush are not the same

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science.

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So someone may be excellent

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in one science

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and not excellent in another,

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and this is where we have to be

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very careful with terminology

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and having a good suspicion of Muslims.

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I can say this, I've been Muslim almost

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30 years SubhanAllah.

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What saved

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so many people I knew is a good

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suspicion with the Ummah.

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Good suspicion of people. When when there's when

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there's no need to have a bad suspicion.

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But now we have bad suspicion of people

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that live a 1000 years ago, that's not

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even fair man. Never met them.

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In the Quran Allah says, We ask Allah

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to forgive those who came before us.

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Well, at one time there was one Sheikh

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in the Azhar, I know he has like

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a problem with the imam ibn Taymiyyah.

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Academically

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we all know these wars that happen.

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And there were some agents, muhabarat

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of the Egyptian government,

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they used to go and try to ask

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him always, ibn Taymiyyah, Imam, ibn Taymiyyah. They

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were trying to create

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because the sunafis and sufis used to go

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to his class. So they wanted to create

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that difference. So the sheikh's class would what?

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What would happen to his class?

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It would divide. But the sheikh who was

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old, he passed away

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was smart.

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So they kept asking him, just Iben Timi,

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just Iben Timi, Iben Timi, Iben Timi.

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Then he said, I have an answer for

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Imam Iben Timi.

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He said, what he said?

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He said, my answer is that verse is

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* Hashir. Forgive those who came before. Now

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so many people can you imagine Al Ghazari

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and Ebatimiyyah on the day of judgment? How

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many people's hasanat they're gonna take?

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Yeah, 1000000 people, millions of people. They never

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met them. You can say, Here's Sheikh. Sheikh,

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here's my hasanat.

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Where

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did you live? I lived in the 4th

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you know, 15th century after hijri. I died

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in the 7th century. How did you slander

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me? What? Are you stupid?

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You would slander me? And I didn't even

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I didn't live with you?

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SubhanAllah that's why Abdullah ibn Mubarak said, If

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I was going to backbite anyone it would

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be my parents because they have the most

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right to all my good deeds.

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Look how childish we became and in so

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much hatred we have in our hearts because

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maybe inadvertently because of colonialism

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and Islamophobia,

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we actually hate Islam.

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And so we hate the Muslims.

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Subliminally, we won't admit it, but maybe that's

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the issue. That deep inside us, we have

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a problem with our own deen and our

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own community to the point. Look how we

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viciously attack each other. Look at that Sheikh.

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So subhanAllah if we go to, for example,

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Imam Athahabi,

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Rahim Ohola,

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And he talks about Al Asim,

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Imam Asim.

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He said, Yeah. He was he was weak

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in hadith.

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But he was an imam Anukira'a wal huroof.

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Yeah. He's not, he's not a professional

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narrator of hadith. And this is one of

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the problems of the contemporary age. People think

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the science of hadith,

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That's a mistake.

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The science of hadith has its place. The

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science of Arabic language has its place.

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The Science of Rhetoric has its place, the

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Science of each of these have their own

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terminology, their own systems,

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their own I'll give a great example.

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People say, Al Waqidi is Da'if. So people

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read like to see you're a Martin Lynx.

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I don't agree with perennialism so let me

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just say that I have a problem with

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that stuff, that perennial stuff. But the book

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itself, I remember people were saying, you know,

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he relates from Al Waqidi and Waqidi is

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Da'if. Yeah, only in Maghazi bro,

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only in battles,

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but he's not Da'if and everything.

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So the mistake of people in applying and

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understanding terminology,

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I heard this from Sheikh Ahmed, Sheikh

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Mahbat. You need, Imam al Waqidi Rahimullah is

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only Da'if and Maghazi

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when he narrated about the battles, but the

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other stuff he's what? He's good.

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Same thing now someone read, Man, Imam hafs

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and awesome, he's daiyf and hadith, call us

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I'm not gonna read their Quran anymore. Are

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you crazy?

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Was Imam Malik from the Quran of Quran?

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Do you take hadith from Imam Malik? Was

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Bukhari from the the the authenticated rewaiat of

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Quran?

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Saying, Imam Al Bukhari.

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Is he from the Quran? No. Do you

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take hadith from him? Now you see what

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I'm trying to say. Al Amash.

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Saidi Imam al Amash who was strong in

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language.

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Weak in Quran.

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AbbaHaq, the great Mufasir,

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strong in tafsir, weak in hadith.

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Who said that Adhaabi? In fact, Adhaabi says

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something very nice about Al Amash. He said,

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Look at Imam Damm. He's a genius because

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he knows how people gonna try to play.

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So he said, you know, Al Amash is

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strong in language

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and weak in Quran.

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What does it mean he's in the opposition

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of Hafs? Hafs is strong in Quran but

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weak in what subject?

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Language.

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What? Now we Oh man, I didn't think

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Yeah. Because having a good suspicion will save

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us a lot of trouble.

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So, yeah.

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Although Imam Ahmed,

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he said this

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that Sayna Imam Aasim is tukah.

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They're both taka

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and that's very important. What does taka mean?

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It means that the concern for their weakness

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in hadith is not in their character, but

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in their what? The academic qualifications.

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You see something there. That's why they call

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them suduk.

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Some people read suduk, they think, oh this

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hadith sahay la la la. Suduk means the

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person is good in their hadala but maybe

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bad in the bibat.

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I'm sure Sheikh

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Farhan is gonna teach you all this stuff.

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Why is that important? So that means that

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Imam Asim and Imam Hafs in hadith, they're

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not da'if because they're bad people, they're da'if

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because of what?

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Their academic qualifications

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and that makes sense.

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And that's why SubhanAllah I wrote it here.

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It's a great quote of Imam ibn Hajar

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who said,

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because they were so busy with Quran.

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Anyone who did anyone here did the Saba

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or the Kubra or the Surah

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when you do it, anyone here memorize the

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Quran?

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When you memorize the Quran, do you have

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time to do anything else?

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Do you have time to do anything else?

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So that that was their that was what

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that was their thing. They were the madrasa

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of Quran. So it wasn't that they tried

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to be scholars of hadith or that they

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were evil or some kind of bad, you

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know, character when it came to the sons

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of hadith. No, no. Their focus was what?

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Preservation of what? The book of Allah.

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Prophet be careful of a bad suspicion,

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especially with those who came before us. So

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let me reiterate what I'm saying here because

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I saw online, unfortunately,

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online is crazy man. You know,

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people saying that Hafs is weak in Hadith

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and Asim is weak in Hadith.

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So I gave you this, the chain of

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their sheikh just now

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in Quran, this person in front of us,

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Zir ibn Khabeish.

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But then I talked about the fact that

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yeah, maybe, maybe they were weak in hadith

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but not weak because of their character. Weak

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because of what?

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They had the academic qualifications. How many people

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can be Buhari?

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How many people can be Abdullah ibn Umar?

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How many people can be Malik? How many

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people can be Ahmed?

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Sayyidina Imam Ahmed, he used to ask Shafi'i

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about the Arabic language.

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Because Sayyidina Imam Shafi'i

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mutabahr

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in language. And Sayyidina Imam Shafi'i, he used

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to ask Imam Ahmed about what? Asanid.

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Because

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Ahmed

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RadiAllahu Anhu

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his specialty is what? Hadith.

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Shafi'i

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Mashallah

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His Arabic language is

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is unbelievable.

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So here we see something.

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Number 1, it's hard to find someone that

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mastered all the sciences. People think a true

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scholar, they mastered all the sciences. You're crazy.

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You

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You have no idea what you're talking about.

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That's impossible.

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It's very rare.

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Number 2 is,

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that just because a scholar may have not

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excelled in one area of an academic field

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that doesn't mean she or he

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were not Imams in other areas.

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That's very normal.

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Would you go to Sheikh Sharawi for a

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dentist?

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To get your teeth replaced?

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But you take tafsir. Would you go to

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the dentist for tafsir?

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I hope not.

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So you see the point here. And then

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last thing we said is that their weakness

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is not because of their character. That's very

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important to emphasize.

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In fact,

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Imam ibn al Josi says about 'Asim, he

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says,

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He mentions like,

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you know, his issues with him and hadith.

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But he says, but in his character

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and in him in as a person, he's

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tiqah.

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Meaning like his character is good. He's not

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he's not a shady person.

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He's not a dubious person. But then in

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his focus, his field,

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So this should hopefully, next time you run

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into this, don't, don't try to argue with

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people because it's a little complicated, right? It's

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a little complicated,

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But you could teach the people.

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We wanna, we want people to have confidence

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with the book of Allah.

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Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.

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Not doubt in the book of Allah. If

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there's doubt in that,

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it's a wrap bro.

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It's a done deal. So this hadith, mashaAllah,

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of Zir ibn Habesh.

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Well, Zir ibn Habesh, he was a very

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interesting person because he was always seeking knowledge.

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He used to drive people crazy.

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