Shadee Elmasry – S4 E3 Monday Morning Quarterback
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The red stuff I'm guessing is.
So this is credit. There's blueberry grape. And it's laminate
drink that was made red by the blueberries.
Grapes was made expert level. So he makes it makes a mean and
cocktail here. And if we if I had more time
like you can infuse mint leaves in it the night before the night
before keep it the night. Yeah. Yeah. This I made fresh, right.
And I crushed the blueberries, the grapes, and then I crushed ice.
And I put the crust ice in it. So gives it that sort of slushy type
of feel to it. And then if you really get creative, you infuse a
lot of mint leaves in it. Right? Not separate them and leaves you
keep the mint leaves in one stock so that you can take the whole
stock out. Yeah, right. That sounds good to me. Yeah. You've
never separated you infuse a mint from the night before.
Yeah, who needs who needs bars and alcohol?
Cocktails, a lot of things. I just do them straight in my house. Like
I'll never buy a smoothie. I'll never moment mainly, I don't buy
coffee. Right? Unless I'm on the road. Make that and make that at
home. Tea outside. Anyone who pays for tea outside the house is just
foolish unless it's a DC restaurant, like a chai. And
that's the only place you really pay to hear Would you ever go to a
restaurant and someone orders tea in front of you? I've never seen
that. It's just like and why No. Have you ever seen anyone that
like Wawa or something? I wanted to I ordered a tea at like Asian
places because it's a unique ticket like biscuits. Yeah, that's
unique to I one time, it's actually free in a lot of Asian
places. They're just yeah, if you go to like bougie Ah, I remember
the first time when I first time when I got my license. When I got
my driver's license, I went and I bought. I went to Wawa we have
something in South Jersey, and Pennsylvania called Wawa. You have
it right. That's where that's
okay, so wah wah, which this guy started off sell, taking his milk
to the local
fairs every Saturday. That's how we started in Wawa, Pennsylvania.
And then he just he had some and he had a mission, right? And he
grew and grew and grew. And now here's the thing. So I was on my
way to Rutgers, and I was like, feeling a little bit drowsy. I got
tea right? From Wawa, I went home because I forgot something had to
go back home. My dad looked at me he's like, why would you pay money
for that?
Right there. Then I put two and two together, but Subhanallah
youth do. So some stupid things, man. Yeah. And if you're a parent,
you just have to have a lot of support. And the best thing for a
parent is a good memory of yourself.
You do a lot of stupid and annoying things and it's upon
Allah you grow every year. I regret more and more things that I
wouldn't have done anything different because that's what I
that's all I knew, right? You can only work with the set that you
have. So I only work with the set that I have. There's no ideal.
There's the real
whatever experience brain whatever thoughts, that's what I have, I
got to work with it. So I don't regret it from the moral
standpoint, but I regret it from the knowledge standpoint, like if
I hadn't known better, I would have been differently. But hey, at
every time at every turn, I can only work with what I have with
the hands of with the with the knowledge that I have to do right
the learning ministry Donna Jamison and Rahim Salam alaykum
warahmatullahi wabarakatuhu.
Welcome to the Safina society podcast today we're joined by Dr.
Shetty, myself, we have Nazmul here joining us and Alex was
running a few minutes late, but he should be coming in through the
door any minute now. So you'll maybe hear some background noise.
So today the topic that we want to talk about
is I want to get started on Ashura. So tell me a little bit
about that. Okay?
I'm going to get to Ashura something that I skipped my mind I
think we did. We talked about the base of this, the base of the base
of this drink. Ah, so this drink the base you could use for this
little mix. You can do two things. Sprite, and lemonade, Sprite, and
iced tea sprite and lemonade and iced tea. But this is a Trader
Joe's, like a natural soda type of thing. Lemonade soda, like seltzer
water, it's a fizzy lemonade soda, right? So you can make you do a
lot of these things, right? Like a lot crow. Yeah.
Sounds like one of those things you
pronounce like.
So, alright, so let's get to the serious topic of Ashura. Right. So
Assura is very, very important topic. And first of all, we
operate with seasons and if you think about the Hijiri calendar,
it's really wonderful. We
just came out of the last season of the year. And many people don't
know that when Satan all had been caught up want needed to make a
year. And they agreed and it was the actually the suggestion of
Satan Ali bin Abi Talib. Let's make the Hijra the start of the
new year because that's the first time the Prophet sallallahu alayhi
wa sallam was able to establish His law, right? The law of Allah,
other than that he was not established as law is just given
the message. So St. Thomas said, this makes a lot of sense. So
that's the first year that we start counting, counting the years
of Islam for real because that's when Islam began to be implemented
as the law of the city
afterwards, well, when you have a year, you have to have a beginning
of the year. Right. So say, Alma, then began that discussion. And
that discussion was it was said, not with the man who said, Oh,
Amanda, Momineen, we make Hajj and we renew our, our slate. So let's
make a good hedge of the last year of the calendar. Right. Let's make
that hedge of the last year the calendar. So everyone loved that
from the elders of this habit that were in the council in the
shooter. So they made good hedger the last month of the year. So
that marks the big the new slate hedge is really the new slate,
right, both in religion and in the year. So now we're in the Hijra
year 1441. We begin a new slate. And the first season, it's a small
season, right? Is a shorter 10 days into the new year. We fast,
two days, preferably right, the 10th and the ninth or the 10th and
the 11th prophesy, centum said he hoped that this removes the sins
of the year. And the original intent of that is that it was the
day that Prophet Musa A Salam was freed from the bunnies, right. And
at the same time, it was the same day that saying that Hussein was
killed right. Now, if you notice, in both cases, the analogy or the
comparison is not very difficult to get. They're both worth going
against the oppressor. Got one live to see his victory over his
enemy. Musa centimos, he lived to see the defeat of the enemy he did
not live to see the attainment of the goal, which is the promised
land. Sen. Hussein.
By the way, I bet you're allowed to say Alayhis Salam as well,
because in salata, Tisha hood, what do you say? Right you say
salam upon right so it's a an amount of Bukhari. He says beb on
for that let's say the Father Mother has Salam so this is very
orthodox is not a she leaning. It's nothing. Okay. So say an Imam
Hussain Raja Lozada. Anwar a Salam. Okay. He all he did not
live to see the defeat of his enemy, but he did defeat his
enemy. How did he defeat his enemy you might ask? He said this is not
a legitimate ruler. And in if you look in any babyc the ruler has to
have conditions there's conditions the first condition is either
right that he's upright, right? Absolutely right. They even say
more that he really should be in which to handyman so that he does
not have to rely upon someone because the one who relies upon
someone else is inferior. Right? So normally we did not have to ask
anyone except say naughty for counsel like serious in a serious
way. Right? Say naughty did not ask anyone. Right there's no
record that say nobody needed to ask anyone else for anything
right? Matters of funding.
Say normal said bit cinema calm nice if he ever hasn't. Right a
bad city or a bad place. That does not have I would have said why
because he was in a place of Philly question came up he needed
say in his advice. He didn't get it but say now he was in Medina.
Right. So he said based on my calmness if he ever has any. And
he also said Lola aaliyan la festa de la HELOC Omar if it was not for
Ali Ahmed would be destroyed. So that's how close on what an idea
was and say now he loves a normal, right? He named two of his sons
Ahmed, not one on one of the first gentleman or the second right.
Interesting. So he loves say no more that much. So when people say
Abu Omar, I mean that's your mm was. And it was Obama, of course
he's our husband, in fact, but he, his sons were named mama, in any
event,
say how did you end it Hussein? What did he do? He saw He saw that
you as it was illegitimate, okay, and he therefore resisted and
refused to give him allegiance. And this is a valid position in
Sharia right when the rulers illegitimate,
did not give him allegiance. And he went out now he went out to
meet with his people in Kufa, his old followers from his dad's side,
right when his father had led the Khilafah in Kufa. So obviously, we
know the story that he never made. He never made it to them, and they
became scared. Right and they did not come out to give him victory.
We know that. Okay. But our point is, he did see that easy it was a
legitimate refuse to give him the bat and went to some sort of
resistance. He never even got to make a plan. We do not know that
he was going to take up make a
We don't know that for sure. I mean, it's highly speculative. I
mean, likely that he could have right. But we don't know anything
that wasn't there's no certainty on that there is certainty. He
felt he was illegitimate. And he's going to take he's not given the
bat and he's going to resist Him. Now many other Sahaba they did
give him the bad they saw that they weren't capable of resisting
and that resisting may cause some other fitna, but he saw someone in
the OMA that we cannot just allow this to happen, right. And this is
the idea. You cannot just allow oppression to happen. There has to
be a reaction. I said many times, I regret things. I regret that I
do have some bad blood with some other Sunni memes, right? And
people, but at the time, I felt I have to do something. And this is
the basic capability of what I could do. They didn't like it.
Right. But what I regret, I regret the fact that I'm not happy, the
fact that there's any bad blood between me and any other Muslim,
right. However, I don't regret taking action, you have to take
action, right? So this is what he did. Now, there was an ambivalence
about the correctness of his action. Okay. There was an
ambivalence about that. That is this really correct? Should he
have gone out? etc. is what there was ambivalence on Izzy as you'd
really that bad? People did not know what he had knew had known.
You have to know this right? Not everyone knew what he knew about
Izzy. It's not like it was today. We don't hold on my nose. No, that
people didn't know, how would treat information like that
transfer to everyone. So most people were like, I don't really
know what's going on. It's also very different living in the real
world at that time versus reading it. And, of course, reading in a
textbook, of course, or reading it, you know, through passed down
knowledge from your age and things like that, right? It's very
different be living in that actual time. Exactly. So things are not
known. If you think about it, when the early books of FIP, they have
a question of does eating cooked meat break your will? So many
things that we think are take for granted? We're just not known by
that. That time? Yeah, this is something I think about often,
especially when there's people living in the desert, there's many
people who have probably never seen the ocean, right? That's
true. Oh, that's very true. I've never seen I've never seen water
before, like, like in an ocean or a lake or a river. Yeah. So it's,
it's interesting to think about even in the fifth book that these
things are there were people there's probably so how about that
may may or may not have seen the ocean? How many people let me
think about knew that Karbala event was even happening at the
time when people say how did the OMA allow this? How they think
they knew that? I mean, this was a Twitter feeds back then right out
in the world allow the Holocaust.
I happened to mind you that was way, way bigger, bigger. And in
terms of numbers, and in terms of the complication of it, and the
time that it took this was a US existed, and they were exactly
yeah. All that you could get information around the world much
quicker. So now what's my point in saying that he did defeat his
enemy he just didn't live to see it is that as there was lack of
knowledge of zetes corruption, except for some people knew it.
Okay. There was
lack of so there because there was a lack of that awareness. There
was a lack of most movement, only he moved, and his supporters. Now,
what he did was by poking this bear, he elicited a reaction.
Whenever you take the initiative, think about this, Sedna, Musa
Saddam Hussein, who's acting, yes, they're both in the weaker
positions materially, but who's dictating, they're both dictating
the action, if you think about it, they're not reacting, they're
acting, and the tyrant, the desk bot is reacting. So when you take
the initiative, you force three things to happen. One of three
things is going to happen. The despot, the oppressor does
nothing. Your adversary does nothing. If he does nothing, he's
in trouble because he set the precedent, so he can't do nothing.
Right. Number two, he changes his ways. If he changes his ways,
good. You've achieved your goal. Number three, he reacts in the
wrong immorally in the wrong with the haram. If he does that he digs
deeper hole. So what did he do? He sent? What's his name? Even Ziad
obeyed livens yet, and he gave him orders to quell this thing. And he
sent the most wicked guy. He's a wicked guy, right? And he ended up
having no mercy and He killed them all we know the story right? If
you don't know the story, we're not going to recount the whole
thing but you can go get it. We're giving you the miracles he killed
them all. Go to go to reliable source. Yeah, you have to go to
like Shia chapters. Yeah, there's there's a bit. I mean, they have
stuff that was impossible to narrate. So
let me just interject and say that we all have to have the most
somber possible voices, because any kind of any kind of levity
levity at all is, is canceled on Twitter.
are we discussing anything serious? No levity attached to it
or else you're canceled. Oh, that canceled? Yeah, of course. Yeah.
So, but it's the it's really more of the ridiculousness of before
you actually continue. I'm gonna make a side point here. Yeah, that
there may be times in this episode where there is levity. Yeah, I
don't really care about Twitter canceling me. I've already
canceled them a moment away from canceling Twitter. No, I'm not
canceling my tour. I'm not gonna ruin myself for them. No, I'm
canceling them or canceling them. Yeah. I've already cancelled them
all. I mean, yeah, people can turn off the episode right now,
actually, you know what, they can have their money, but no, they
should take off. What they can do is they can make clips and then go
see what young people are doing. Listen, what I've came across very
early on in social media, is that this whole idea of outrage against
you, you got to learn to use that for yourself. Right? So the only
thing is that if I'm not wrong in the sight of Allah,
if, in general, if a person is not wrong in the sight of Allah,
that's the only thing you gotta care about. Right? You have to put
your self mentally and emotionally in a position where that's
literally the only thing there's nothing else banking on it, right?
Like the people who bank on making the speaker circuit, for example,
I'm not saying it's bad. It's fun, right? It's a job. It's a job. I
know. It's very touchy job, though. I don't I don't say crazy
things to my employer. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, so. But being that being the case, you also know that there's
going to be limitations with that. Right? So if you're employed by
the general Muslim community, organizations and institutions and
conferences, you have to not go in that and recognize that right.
I've got limitations. I can't say a lot of things. You got to
operate on the LCD, which is lowest common denominator. Yeah.
Which is what how low is it now? So law, fasting.
General modesty, not specific. But Tauheed ish. Yeah. And,
and, and anti whatever. Oppressor du jour pro Bernie Sanders. Pro
Bernie. Okay. LGBT to? Yeah, well, that's yeah, you know, so I've
done that or no comment on that no, no pro Pro as well. For the
for the general Muslim. It's soft on a softer soft and these people
we have to understand the continent. White converts are the
devil. Oh, my God. Well, LGBT has got to have some
nice. So
it's not about the Muslim Twitter. It's not about the social media. I
was going to say in general, there may be people who are not on
Twitter and social media and listening listening to this
episode. Inshallah. Inshallah, you know, and there will perhaps
throughout this episode be I'll be moments of levity and non levity.
And it's, I don't think there's any intention or mal intent by
anybody here against, you know, speaking about any of these
topics, especially especially the elevates, right? Yeah, of course.
Now, we love more. Absolutely. Absolutely. That's, that's number
one. We actually love them properly. without exceeding
limits. We mourn them limits being limits of the nursing of Sahaba.
Yeah. Being
physically harming yourself. Yeah. And the limits being doing things
that every single one of them would find offensive, and
ridiculous. That's right. We love them, and we mourn them in the
appropriate way without going astray on the issue. Right? As
shucks, Eric had always said, and you know, love your shake, love
that we don't go straight, right? simple rule. So, come back to
where we where do we leave off, we left off that I was saying that.
He has he had sent that. So of the three possibilities that he has,
and I'll repeat them. When you poke the bear, the bear has three
possibility, he's gonna do nothing. He shows that he's weak.
He's gonna have rebellions everywhere.
Number two, he's going to do the right thing, which you achieved
your goal, and he turned out to be good. Number three, he's going to
react in the wrong way. Right? You're acting the wrong way. And
if he reacts in the wrong way, he digs his grave even deeper, and
He's morally done. So he reacted in the wrong way. All right. So
people historians will say, Okay, let's just give the man a bit of a
doubt. It's his first year ruling. He's maybe has a complex, you
know, how am I ever going to be as just as as honorable as that had
bit and I can't have this and this is a rebellion against me. And I
made he had and I quelled the rebellion, let's say
hypothetically. All right. Well, what did he do after that to show
that his intent was not good? And it was not an accident. And it was
not just about it's wrong he had because when a Muslim makes a
legitimate and tries to do the right thing, okay, Allah does not
blind them. But when someone does the wrong thing, Allah blinds
them. And what's the proof that you need was blinded because when
saying that Hussein at acnm was martyred and killed, the Hey jazz
went, erupted because
Where was he living at the time? He was living in Medina, right? He
had moved back from Kufa to Medina. So and he was teaching
Hadith in the mosque, him and his brother they would teach in the
masjid. Okay. And living off of a stipend from Satan. Amalia. Oh,
yeah. had put them on a stipend. Right. Okay. So he's known in the
community of Medina, they erupted. Okay, they erupted. What? How? So
when they reacted with that in that reaction?
What did you do? Did he repent to Allah? They said, Look, if all of
Medina is reacting against me, maybe I'm wrong. I repent to
Allah. No, he did it. He was blinded, which showed that he had
a bad intent. And secondly, when they say, Oh, well, maybe even
Ziad did it. But he has he didn't when he disavowed from it. What
are you talking about? All might have been a cooktop said if a mule
breaks its leg in a ditch in the street of Kufa. I'm responsible.
Let's say normal ricotta. So when the grandson of the Prophet is
like, beheaded
you're gonna tell me he didn't know. Are you kidding? Right?
That's not hosted done. That's stupidity level. Right? So he then
goes and sends an army to Medina and the prophets of Allah Allahu
alayhi wa sallam said the curse of Allah to Allah be upon who at
death in Medina, Hadith and whoever creates tumult in Medina,
the curse of Allah be upon him. Okay. So what did you do? He goes,
and we call that and they call in the books of history, the Battle
of Hara. And in that battle, he went in many people were killed,
it was tumult in the city to the point that the Met in the message
of the province is set up so law was not established for three
days. So what kind of Khalifa is this? Right? Who the result of
yoga is a salon, the Masters Prophet's mosque is not it's not
established and not only that, what do we know about the master
to the Prophet? We know it from Saudi who say and is there anyone
more reliable than Satan will save in terms of narration because he's
considered the most knowledgeable of the tab eight, Satan will say
but this time was a team later in his life he was asked how did you
attain your rank because Satan was a it was considered the most
knowledgeable so much so that in his old age Abdullah bin Amata
used to say, um, all I have gotten old and I forget many things go
ask side. Can you imagine as a hobby of messenger Allah saying,
to go ask you? I mean, what rank is this? So he said, Allah knows
best, but I believe it is from the battle the days of the Battle of
Hydra on the first day, the first Allah passed, it was not
established in the message of the Prophet. The second Salah pasa was
not established the third Salah fourth, fifth, and on the next
day, I said, this cannot be and he was a team, whose young men, he
said, I pretended to be Majnoon.
And I went banging around the yelling. Okay, so the soldiers
allowed me through because they said he's just shoved Mitch noon.
He's a young youth who's insane. Okay. And I went, and I called the
event. And I heard the event from the grave of the prophets.
And he said, the soldiers had kept their horses in the mosque of the
Prophet.
So these are his soldiers. This is the soldiers, they put their
horses in the mosque of the Prophet and the horses were living
there. stable, stable, and what did they do? They poop? Yeah,
right guys, not Muslim. They're Muslims. Right? So so they are,
the horses are pooping in the mouth and the master so he had to
clean it up. So that's where he said, from that I believe Allah
knows best that Allah has blessed me in my life, that Satan will
save said that, right? So that's what is he did when he poked the
bear of Now, everyone knows. So when if people were ambivalent
about the nature of his Eid, what is her saying doing? Does he
really need to do this? We can we just live in peace? What did he
actually do? What did you as you'd actually do? Right? No, he knew
something that in there that no one else knew. Right? Or that many
people did not know. And that by poking that bear, and by
confronting the bear, he exposed him and say no, and he has a
statement that he said the greatest jihad is to expose what
is hidden. So he exposed now, no one no, there's no question in
Hey, Jess. And the news spread very quickly that he did this. Now
who was enraged that this? The people of Mecca, the people of
Mecca, were enraged? Now, did this all happen right away? No. The
Battle of Adhara the tumult, the anger of the Medina and slowly
cooked, so you can't say okay, it all happened so quickly. He wasn't
thinking, No, it happened like a year apart. Then another 18 months
passed, before the tumult in Mecca grew. What did he do? Did he say
hold on a second. Now I've got two strikes against me I killed at a
debate. Besides not only 170 Other were killed. Then I've done this
in Medina. Now NS been Malik right and some people talk about going
to the ruler by the encounter the ruler you can go to the ruler, but
what you do is what the question and it's been medic did not go
Give him some fuzzy advice. And it's been Merrick was there as an
older man at this point. And the head of Al Hussein was delivered
to us dt.
Ns walked in and NS he's older. So hobby, he's not he's untouchable.
He's untouchable. Also, he's he's not afraid of him. Because as I
following, he wasn't that charismatic type of leader that
was scary to use it.
And he saw him playing with the teeth,
and the mouth of Al Hussein.
And he said, Put your stick down. He's using his miswak put your
stick down for I saw a suit Allah kissing those lips.
Right? So NS Ben Malik is an example of a man who is in and out
the houses of rulers. But it with what?
With what? Right? He's not taking gold from them. He's going and
he's talking to them. So NSmen Matic would have said something
other Sahaba would have other people. I'm sure in that year and
a half. You don't think he heard anything? Of course, he heard
something. So another 18 months passes, he lays siege to Mecca.
I mean, he didn't learn. So the idea that we could give him an
excuse, give him a second excuse, give him a call us. It's three
years, but his rule was three years. St. st came out in the
first half of the first year. The Battle of 100 came right around
the middle of his reign, the siege of Mecca at the end of his reign.
And at this point, there's so much dua coming against you as eat,
right. And also, when you attack the Olia and the sacred places
like this, that Allah took his life early. He died at the end of
the siege of Mecca. Yes, he is he died. Right? So who won this
battle? Right? So at Hussein, he, it's like he poked a rock, right.
And then next, and when that rock was poked or lifted, all the worms
were visible. You know, when you do that after the rain, and you
kick a rock or something a big rock, or you move a mat and you're
like, oh, all these worms, whoa, we got to clean this out. So he
did that. When he suffered the response and sacrifice himself
really, and Medina became inflamed. He went and he did wrong
to them. And to the city and to the master to the province size
center, and to the grave of the province, I send them raising the
sword in front of the grave of the Prophet on Muslims and putting
your horses there to defecate. And when that happened, Mecca was
inflamed. So what Hussein did is he proved to history that this was
this man was illegitimate ruler. So as we said, Musa they said I'm
live to see the defeat of his enemy, but didn't live to see the
success because he'd never made it to the Holy Land. Right, the
Promised Land, as we should say, and Hussein did. He did not live
to see the defeat of Zen, but he did if he does that, he initiated
it and a domino effect resulted. So the whole theme and the point
is the issue of when there is
there has to be a reaction. There has to be a reaction. Like I go to
my soccer practice. And some of these kids are so rude to the
coach. And there's some Muslim kids there from the masjid they
look at me because the coach doesn't react
just accepts it they've never seen a creature like this they never
seen an adult male like
right they've never seen a guy get disrespected by like his son is on
the team and disrespect his dad right in front of everyone and no
reaction what the heck. And I have to always tell them there's gonna
be reaction if this was if it was your grandpa you'd be so not to
Jeunesse or about Sakura.
So
so this is the point
you want it to? I'll turn it now to you guys. You know, this is my
first point of the episode. Can I just follow? Yeah, so we've
established clearly Yazeed was wrong.
Maybe even a Catherine? Allah Harlem, right?
Just want to bring this up, because I don't know if we'll
touch on it. And I think it's important because a lot of Muslims
depending on their ethnic background, and if I'm including
their the English speaking at this point they're taking remember the
comment I said earlier about taking from the correct sources. A
lot of people have inter mixed sources and have interpolated
sources and they have.
They're even listening to Sudanese who may have borrowed from
illegitimate sources. And one of the one of the horrors that
happens is that they start attributing as its crimes,
legitimate real crimes, to people that had nothing to do with it,
that were no longer even alive at the time that these were being
committed. And it's unacceptable, not accept. It's unacceptable,
because you're compounding, but you feel like you're defending
that debate. But you're insulting the intelligence of the Prophet
salallahu Alaihe Salam in the wisdom that he had in choosing the
companions that he kept close to him and that he entrusted with the
writing down
The revelation, this is totally unacceptable. And so for anybody
that needs just a brief overview, why we're over the long run, was
the legit, legitimate Khalifa at the time. And in his old age,
people told them he was he just no good. He said, I've seen no good
from him. You know, he was aware as he came to him. He's an old
man, he's towards the end of his life. This is I've repented, I
made Toba. I'm rectifying my life. I know the great responsibility.
You know, I'm not calling this in a direct comparison. I know the
great responsibility. I'm, I'm good. I'll be I'll do well, and
shows him those things. Were old man whose son was a stray. And
then the sun comes to him in his last days and says, Baba, I've
changed. I understand what I should be doing. And I'm on the
right road now. It's just brings them joy. Yeah. So why would he
turn him away? Why would he feeling I would imagine, you will
think that you turn them away at that point. First of all, you're
showing no mercy. And you're saying I don't care about your
repentance. I'm judging you on what you did before. It's actually
a very awkward situation for a dad. He can't say to him, So what
you've seen before. And so you can't be trusted. I don't care
that now you're on the river. No, he's overjoyed by it. So of
course, he accepted it. And this is why He supported his his taking
over the world I want to say something else to Malia said the
Maori did not surprise anyone. When he passed it on to his son.
No, he announced in his life with the presence of companion still
alive.
I am the first I'm making it a monarchy. He announced it. Why?
Because he felt that this is what's needed. Right? He's telling
you, he's telling you honestly, he's not telling you as boasting
for sins. Right? He's not boasting from his sinfulness. Right? He's
saying I am informing you all. This is a monarchy. I'm the first
king of theirs. Okay. Meaning of the Muslims. Because once they
normally went to Syria to inspect him, or of the Arabs, because
they're made, yeah.
May it's cared so much about the Urbanus, which some people say do
Oh, the only benefit or the wisdom of that it's just that they really
spread the Arabic language, right. In any event, well, who knows?
Maybe others would have to but who knows. But St. Ahmad, when he
went,
he went in, he saw guards, right? He saw her job, her job means
like, if you want to pass this gate, you need to talk to sonza.
If you need to pass this door, you need to talk to him. If you want
to talk to Malia you need to talk so and so first, and so on, so on
and so on. So that's also Arabic. Same routine job. Yeah. Same words
hit a barriers, barriers, barriers. Finally, St. Thomas saw
this. He said, Do you think this is a is it Persian? Are we
Persians? Right? Is it fair to see it's in here, right? Is this
Persian, right? He said, Oh, I made him what we need. There are
so many enemies in this lands, and there's so much plotting, right?
It's so much plotting that this is necessary. I said no moto
Mahatama. On his way back to Medina, he confided in Abdul
Rahman urban health. And he said, I'm replacing him.
I don't like it. Right. Then he was assassinated short while later
right. So never replaced him. But that was his approach. So while we
still it's not hidden, hide anything, almost saw it. He was
not sneaking right. Now, when people then say, well, Safin,
what was that? And they say how he oppose it. And he offended, say
gnarly, and he did many things. Well, in the books of Islamic law,
you can find these discussions in the expanded works contemporary
works usually in the chapter of HUD crimes in the subsection of
Hoothoot. I mean, rebellion, right? rebellion.
Rebellion, okay. They divided into three categories. One, there's
legitimate rebellion that's Hussein's, the second is in
rebellion by opinion. That is incorrect. So he had, he had the
opinion, that's incorrect. In that case, the rebel can be killed, but
he's not sinful. He's wrong but not sinful. Okay. And he
attributed that to Moses and Amalia that he viewed, that there
cannot be any action at all until the killers of Othman or
prosecute. Okay. That was his opinion. And he felt that this
year and that you can't be legitimate Khalifa, with those
people seeking refuge in your camp, because they have coverage
that people killed, say, northmen were seeking refuge in Ali's camp,
and he knew that right. But they had such huge tribes behind them,
let's say 90 said, once I prosecute them, it's gonna be a
civil war. These tribes are going to rise up if there's a civil war,
right? They're going to exhaust my men, my troops, and we have the
Persians breathing down our neck to the right. And we have the
Byzantines breathing down our neck to the left, right. And we just
finished Egypt. Okay, so I can't afford to lose that many men.
Okay, so you notice it not he's using his intellect he's not
saying do the right thing and rely upon Allah and kill us all right.
He's not doing that. He's
Using his brain and the the actual the actual people who killed off
men were Egyptian. They're Egyptians. Yeah. Like, you have
the highest end the Egyptians, you're gonna have correct you have
to go to Egypt to draw those people then you have the quiet
Exactly. So that means you're gonna have to fight a two front
war, you're gonna have problems with Egypt and Egypt, and you're
going to have problems. Now I want to say something too. And this is
not to say anything. Of course, we can't say anything bad about this.
He said normally, when I did not want to conquer Egypt, he changed
his mind. And he told Ahmedabad, alas, begged him, Give me Egypt.
He said, um, we have to have a surah they call the sahaba. They
said we're stretched too thin, don't do it.
Then other said we have the momentum. Do it now before we
never do it. He said when I look at how Omar when he was between
the decision what he said, he said, Go. But if I changed my
mind, before you arrive, you turn back. If I change my mind, after
you arrive, right, then do it. Okay? So say normal took action.
He didn't suspend the matter. He took action that but left it open
ended for a change and gave himself a deadline and give
yourself a deadline. Right? Brilliant. Okay, say normal gotta
change his mind. He writes a letter, he sends it to Malia, if
once you received my letter, if you are Mawi, I mean to Ahmedabad
loss, he sends him a letter. He says, If you are not an Egyptian
soil turn back. If you are on Egyptian soil, proceed.
The letter gets to him to omnibus last couple of days before and
he's rushing, omnibus was rushing, rushing, rushing, rushing.
Then the letter comes to him. And he comes with a young man, he
says, is almost sent a healthy young men, right, who could ride
days and nights to get to him. He wrote, he gets him. And he said, I
have a letter before he was able to utter the words from ammeter
Momineen. He said, shut your mouth and go to the back.
So that if he said that, did you receive a letter from a major
moment in before he got to Egypt? He could say no, because he didn't
hear those words. Yeah, he they arrive. He gets to Egypt. Right?
And to Egyptian soil stops the troops, the camps. He says to the
people, where are we said we're now in Egypt said bring that young
man.
Bring the letter, he opens the letter. Okay. He says, from a
meeting, he reads it out loud to the people from a meter Momineen.
From from Abu Khattab to I'm going to ask if you're not an Egyptian
soil turn back. If you're an Egyptian soil proceed. He said,
are you all my witnesses? They said, Yes. Were your witnesses.
They didn't see that he shut that boy up. Right. So if you notice,
there was a little bit of trickery. Okay. In the taking of
Egypt.
The
the progenitor of attorneys. Yeah.
He then this is this is why all Rhodiola and all the Egyptians
they named Muhammad was talking to my daughter the other day.
Wow.
Oh, yeah. Have you seen a DC called arm? Right? So I was
talking with my daughter the other day. We don't want
any
hammer.
So she said she was saying she said, What do you want to name
your kid? I said, I'll name him Muhammad first. And then I'll take
what he said, If I really want to go Egypt, and I'll just leave him
home.
But there is some trickiness here. And what's the result? years
later? Where's the fitting to begin? Egypt? Okay, where does it
begin there? In any event, we're not going to say that it's going
to be his fault. I'm just saying that the beginning of something in
the end of something you can sort of see that there's a parallel,
right, there's some the issue comes from Egypt, and it came from
Iraq is the coeditor from Egypt and from Iraq.
When Sedna, when said, and of course, when we say that Egypt and
Iraq, they're not Egyptians, they're Arabs that live there.
They're cops, right? No, but the the, the fitna causes were Arabs,
who moved there. Right. So one of the things I say not even it'd be
thought upset to argue against them. He said.
He said, You both are plotting on the OMA or on the Khalifa, or
Northman. They said no one will lie. We're not fighting. He said
Then how did you guys arrive at the same time? The Egyptians in
the Rockies, right. So the and they're, they're connected to
tribes in Arabia. In movements. We're also Arabs and Persians, the
coffins are all Arabs. So at this point, the administration is by
the Arabs, right. And they're sending people out there, right.
It hasn't mixed. There's not been time for intermarriages so then at
that point, say 90s concern is and I haven't lost train, I know we're
getting back to the point. say nobody realizes they're gonna have
Rahman Egypt, I'm gonna have an uprising in Iraq. I'm gonna have
an uprising from the tribes if I prosecute these many, many, many
men who plotted against on this killing, right, and then where do
you draw the line? Is it the killer? Right the one who stabbed?
Is it the ones who entered the home? Or is it all of them will
cause the problem? It's a gray area right? Who do I kill? Who do
I punish? Right? So say 90 said this requires some thought and I
cannot afford a civil war right now. Right? So he delays the
prosecution said and we said if you spend another night you're not
if you spend one night with them in your camp, right? You're not
legitimate and of course the night is correct. We know that say
naughty is correct for other reasons.
He first sees when you're number two, the prophesy setting them set
a Mar. It's up to Lou Alfetta to
write a mod of any acid will be killed by the rebellious army.
Okay, so if the one army is rebellious, then what is the
original one? The other one the rightful the truthful one, right.
So who killed might have been Yes, it might have been Yes, it was
killed in the battle. Josephine by the Assyrians. Yeah, more always
people. So the coverage then these troops in their qualms with, say
North men over administrative and political matters. The go between
was it why because it always sympathize with the poor. And they
were the poor, right? They felt depressed. I live in every thought
it was the outsider in the administration of said North man,
because he's been Hashem their venule. Mayor, they don't quit
their oil and water. Right? So he was on the outside. So he was the
senior Sahaba that they went to. And he saw, he said, Yes, I see
that you that the governors of the OMA heads have mistreated you. And
he was the go between. And he has some very stern talks to say
Northmet. Right. He gave a North man some stern talks, and we don't
deny that Sahaba had conflict, right? They never doubted each
other's religion. That's a difference. Some people said, Oh,
this how a curse each other may not over their Deen. He never said
you're an innovator. He never said you're not on the right path,
etcetera. That's a big difference. Because it's a big shot argument
that's across one another. Why can't we curse them? Right?
They never cursed one another, over their religion. Right? They
never did that over the religion over the over its jihadi matters.
Okay. So when they viewed that said, and it is our man, and they
tried to use him. Now, once he became into power, they knew
they're in trouble. They knew he's gonna prosecute them. Right? And
he said it. He said, But after I consolidate, okay, so what did
they do? Well, you know, when you say like your enemy, you know,
stay close to your friends, but closer to your enemy. What's the
saying? Right? Close your enemies close. Yeah. So what did they do?
They latched on to him, try to stall him by trying to please him,
yet at the same time, delay the consolidation as much as possible.
So he forgets, and this took them four, they did this over a span of
four and a half years. And in that four and a half years, because
they were insincere from the get go. They developed a false
religion, which is colorism, which all they care about is the outward
image of religiosity. They want it to see their religious right, that
maybe he changed their mind, but at the same time, their backup
plan is keeps fermenting fitna for him ferment the fitness so that he
never consolidates and never gets to us. And that says there's
nothing new under the sun. They were very much like the original
monastics. Yeah, very much like, from the early period. Yeah. So
they came in and this is so they were they started off as these
people angry about oppression, right? They start off like that,
then, for that reason to save their own hides, they create made
themselves look religious. They stuck to it, to go to extremes and
because of their lack of sincerity, they were only really
focused on the outward, and they had no religious sense. They were
just literalist, basically. So that was how coeditor formed until
a point where a group of them rebelled. And when once they saw
that he's too weak, then they just rebelled. So once so they
instigated the Battle of the Camel. They instigated right. They
rushed and killed the air the side of thought hot ends of air and
Sarah Aisha without permission, right, claiming zeal for it.
Because it was an insincere zeal. They're only trying to love Him so
that He can
you know that they cannot prosecute them. Right, right just
and then there at the same time, fermenting fitna in the OMA right
fermenting fitna for him so that he doesn't have time to
consolidate. So then he kills members. They kill members from
the Battle of the Camel.
From that side, when they woke up, they're like, What is this? You're
killing our people. We didn't do anything to you. Right? We never
raised a sword against you because telephones are bad and said they
never raise a sword. They went with their people. They tried to
block him from leaving, right? They didn't raise a sword
Then some of the candidates killed some of their people in the dark
darkness of the night, they woke up and said, What is this? Right?
So some of their people rushed and killed some of say 90s people than
worse battle started.
Once that was passed, okay, now we got to consolidate from the
killing of man, we had the Battle of the Camel, so Let's cool it
down. Okay, now he has another problem setting to Maui. Okay,
let's pull this down first before I get deal with you people. Right.
And that took a long time and suck the energy out of you know how
many hundreds of 1000 people fought in that battle of Sufi
battle of Safin was truly a civil war. And then it was in the 10s of
1000s of deaths on both sides. To the point that said Nayeli said
even though buggy buggy is rebellion is punishable by death.
It should be all the codes right? However,
say nobody saw. If I do this, we lose Syria. Right? What's more
important to keep Islam in Syria? Right, or to fight these rebels?
To lose the whole lands? Say not even every thought if he's using a
fifth he judgment call here, right? And he's saying no, if they
want to stop, all agree to stop. Okay, I'll agree to stop because,
yes, they're rebelling against me. But at the same time, they're the
only people keeping Islam there. The Byzantines are breathing down
their neck. So say Natalie, this is the maturity of Satan Ali and
his vision of Islam for the Ummah over his own self, and his own
power and his own personal dignity. So, once they saw though,
now, two years past year and a half past, it was time now to go
meet my wife again. And he gathered his troops. And the
people were like, We don't want to go, Alaska. We're tired. We don't
want to go. They weren't they weren't out there were exhausted.
They were no good. Right?
Well, there's they didn't have any zeal for it either. Because why
would you? Yeah. I mean, you obey your leader. But it's not
something where you feel like this is yeah, this is we should go in
Yeah, raise arms. Because exactly right. Your people at the end of
the day, once that was put on display, the carriage realized, we
actually don't need them anymore. Right. We don't need it anymore.
So they went so extreme. In both those matters the fomenting of
fitna for him, and trying to show that they're his supporters, they
went like the Prophet said, sent through the air, the target, the
arrow that goes through the target, like if you shoot a deer
from too close, your arrow goes through the target, and you don't
want that you want the article in the target. So they said we
actually don't need him anymore. He's Kaffir. Anyway, yeah. So
let's create a thing where we can we can stay away from him, right.
And they created a religious argument that he's not a Muslim.
Right? Right. And he that he's legitimate, right? So they went
out against them.
And even our best at that time, because they created this is the
first time that they create that a religious argument was created to
support a political purpose. Right? If you notice it i Isha
thought 100 where they're like, no, don't leave, right prosecute.
Don't leave. That's worldly. Right. And that's all filthy
matter, right? Likewise, my Oh, yeah, that was a worldly amount of
prosecute that they created a religious so they were the first
sect in Islam, and Satan even our best, that's where the phrase, I
just don't know what Jamaat comes from at that hour at that time.
And even now, Bass was sent it to bait them. There were 24,000
members, and he came back with 16,000. He argued with them,
debated them and came back with 16,000. Right, so their numbers
were reduced to eight. So the battle that ensued, he routed
them, and then they fled. Then the people said, Should we chase them?
He said, No, leave them, leave them in their mosques as long as
they don't raise a sword against us leave them in their mosques
right now, even though prophets I send them has a hadith that says
the Hua Ji and he described the outage and he said if they are
alive, what did he say?
He will kill them all. who narrates the Hadith?
I live in Abidjan, right. He's the narrator of certain Hadith related
to the melodic, right. However, he's the one who faces them. And
he doesn't do it. Why? Because he's, he's a puppy. Right? He's
He's using FIP. It means consider the circumstances, right. He
considers the circumstances. So yes, that's the ruling. But if
that ruling will lead to a greater harm, then we won't apply it. So
the cutoff of saying no, it is totally a lesson. Right? And how
there are so many rules of the Sharia that he sees, yes, that's
the technical rule kill all the rebels. You're gonna lose Syria,
right. So that he didn't apply that. Yeah. So if I can,
just to try to encapsulate this.
This is super important for people alive today who are looking at the
world, the conflicts in the Muslim lands, and trying to pick a side
and say, Oh, the correct thing is this without any gray area where
the correct thing is the opposite of it, and there's no gray area,
and anybody in the middle is just you know, whatever right?
First you have, you can't take any of those positions. And it's all
involved in this, right? The whole thing, this, this, this period of
the Muslim history encompasses all of it. So you can't take the
position that you never rebel, sometimes Yazeed legitimate
rebellion. So you can't take that position. But you also can't take
the position that you should always rebel. Yeah, or you should
always fight the gym, or you should always just go out and kill
because in other instances, it was it was legitimate, it wasn't
legitimate to do that, even though it would have been permissible to
go out and prosecute and murder and execute all of them. Right?
You can't be on either side of this you have to have everything
is contextual. Everything is specific to the case, you have to
use wisdom. And the last thing about this is you always have to
have an immune for your movement. You have to like
this is not well we all kind of agree so and we got guns
movement was yeah, no leader. Yeah, no leader, no leader. The
carnage would no leader they're just their name describes them.
They're just rebel. Yeah.
Rebels son. Yeah.
Like there's nothing about it. That's that's organized. It's
it's, it's organized by its by its its disorganization, right? Like,
that's the high the hallmark of it, because if they want chaos,
you want it to be uncontrolled, and you want to be able to throw a
spark and not no one responsible for it. What happens, right? So
our main our spring was very much like that. Okay, I'm not saying
that they didn't have some cause, but it was an unorganized thing.
And one spark is thrown and who who was the let's say, the the
ruling class, who are they going to fight back? Like you guys
didn't contain yourselves into a box that I can fight back and, and
not harm other civilians. So he's just gonna have to go after
everyone. Right? So that's the problem with this uncontained
style of rebellion. Now, in any event.
The point about this Nether point is that if you think of that the
whole adage in Medina, say North man used to teach FIP he used to
teach the law, right. And this is known about him that he used to
teach FIP even in his philosophy, he taught people the law. He knows
the law about rebels. But again, he's like law on which to head
emem who saw that to quell rebellion and shed their blood and
kill them all, which he would have total permission to do. He said
this will be bad, because it's in the city of the Prophet only like
25 years after his death. Right? So what is two years of Satan on a
two year return of vomit? That's 12 His was 13. So that's what 25
Right? So we're not even 30 years out, and we're gonna have a war in
the city of the Prophet. I don't want to face the prophets that I
said I'm having killed Muslims in his city. So say Northmet so look
at how many actual black and white rulings there are in the shittier
that these which dedza Hobbies I'm saying which they had not like
they're trying I'm saying they're, they're like they're they are
getting the right answer. That's the right answer. What they did
was the right answer, because the province is tempted follow them.
And the Prophet would not say follow someone in correct. He said
in the Hadith follow my son and the son of the rightly guided
believers. So there when I say shed, it means that it's just not
it's, it's not written in stone in the Quran and the Hadith, right?
It's their opinion, but their opinion is correct. So
he doesn't kill them. Even though the book The law says kill rebels
say Natty, the law says kill rebels didn't kill them. Right? At
a certain point. So they're signed, there's the jihad always
involved as circumstances and considering other things. Yeah.
And one of the most important things we got to remember. And it
seems like people don't know these things from the Sierra anymore.
One popular speakers talk and they're just making these
statements and as if these stories don't even exist, right.
Sometimes when the hobbies did the right thing, in the worldly
context, it meant total failure, right? I mean, the Khalifa
temporary failure, temporary failure in the sense that look
after emomali the Khalifa has gone right? In the sense of the holy
philosophy, Dune, and then we're playing this with a real Khalifa
please stand up game, right? For you know, 1000 years after that.
So you might say, okay, with Mundo de la han, should have been
brutal, and just, you know, killed all this spilled all their blood
in the city of the province also, or Ollie should have been, you
know, just kill behead Marwa. Rhodiola and everybody else,
right? But, and those moments, that wasn't the moral thing to do,
right, and they did the right thing, but it might have not
translated into a political or economic victory. And the thing
is, that's not how we judge though, you judge using the moral
laws. So when you say things like, Oh, these people rebelled, and,
you know, they they got humiliated, or they, you know,
they lost, right. Well, that doesn't mean anything. The thing
is, were they legitimate? You know, were they doing the right
thing? Are they on the right side of history? So, I mean, most
people forget this
For some reason, you've got to playing Monday morning
quarterback, right armchair. You know this phrase Monday morning,
maybe some people don't know this. It means basically you come in
Monday morning and you say, well, he should have passed it to the
wide receiver on the left, or he should have run the ball, right?
He should have punted, right? Yeah, but you're just watching it,
and you're nothing you're gonna play Monday morning quarterback
4400 years ago, right? The event that has no problem. I mean, it's
absurd. All we have is to transmit the narrations, right? And we have
revelation telling us
certain things, certain things like that the whole of are going
to be correct. Number one, number two, that certain Sahaba you don't
touch them in your speech. All this advice would say certain the
only class of people that are untouchable in your speech, unless
you're teaching the event that happened, right.
Right, like teaching the event of what Ahmed have been asked it
that's out of teaching, but it's not to extend your tongue on
anyone and to judge their moral character. Okay, these Quran and
the prophets I said and put a limit on this hobby you don't, you
can talk about what they did for educational purposes only we
cannot cannot make a moral judgment on them. That's what we
have the narrations. You can't put yourself in their shoes, you don't
even know what it's like to live without electricity. Forget living
in that time period. Right. And by the way, one of the things that's
worth saying, in case not been said clearly enough, is that
the person who was the legitimate ruler had not an not an opinion
that these people should be fought in punished, but even a command a
ruling from the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wasallam these people if
they appear, fight them, kill them, or I would kill them all
right, and still analyze the situation and said, let me make
sure that this is the best thing. And if it isn't, I won't do it. To
then say to say in a modern context that well listen, it's
permissible to rebel against this guy, or it's permissible to fight
these people. It's permissible to try to kill them all. We don't
have to worry about the consequences. Because win or lose.
We're on the side of the of the right. Yeah, I leave a little bit
behind didn't make that choice. You didn't say well, I have the I
have the Hadith. True. And I know it because I narrated
the chain is me. Yeah. Right. It says the the Golden State.
I know it's true. It's 100%. So he and I know exactly what the words
were. And I'm not applying it. Because the greater wisdom is to
not cause bloodshed, and and fitna and chaos in the land, and I have
every right to do it. Yeah, but at the same time, look at Othman are
the Alon, right? He he could have, maybe you could argue that the
wisest thing to do would have been to kill those rebels and rule for
another 2030 years. Right? Maybe you could have said that, right?
Yeah, but the thing is that those four hula rush Dune, they're the
only of the sahaba. out they have Alia because they've done the
moral thing. Let me tell you, I have a feeling not because they
had this political acumen, or so on and so forth. Like, for
example, I don't believe that, you know, why we had to take over for
the Muslim empire to become a modern empire. There's no doubt
about that to control half the world. You know, you couldn't do
that from Edina. There's just no way. Right? Sometimes piety gets
in the world of worldly ambition. Right, quote, unquote, I would say
sometimes when you're so concerned about, you know, doing the right
thing and
what level of piety
let me broadcast is Alex has taken off his glasses. Watch is coming
off when the sleeves are rolling up Malawi, his level of
righteousness is beyond. I'm saying I love you. And
I take it back not about my level of righteousness is above any
human being alive today. Of course, you're the pier of your
pier and his great grandfather's pier are all dust compared to
Mario Draghi, of course, and that's for every Sahaba. Right? So
like, we don't go, well, we needed somebody a little less. Right? You
know what I mean? What I mean to say, right, what I mean to say is
that, taking the capital, so when Huawei took over Syria, right, you
saw what he did there, he set up his government like, like the
Byzantines, right, or the Persians. So whereas on one of the
law, one didn't really like that, because it went against, like his
sense of sort of independence group cooperation in the way that
the process of did things, right, whereas more aware of the other
one was adapting to the time, right.
The thing is, the thing is, you'll see in Islamic circumstances,
whenever the Muslims go into a new place, they take on the political
structures of their time. So that's what I mean by they
weren't, they weren't trying to like get to this ideal caliphate,
right? What they were trying to do they go into Persia, they were
like the Persians. Right, man. If they didn't do that, they wouldn't
rule half the world.
The other thing, the other thing to know is that the umaid as a
group were the ruling classes, right? These are people that have
long history of being leaders of being Amir's of the people. They
come from wealth, they come from influence and power, or the
Allahumma is 100%, of polymath, and in a genius and a genius had
statecraft. But also he was from a different background. He came from
an eloquent background, hence his the name of his family, his family
name, or the name is a hotdog, right? Because they were very
good, eloquent speakers. He was also highly educated, but people
don't know a lot of people don't know, Alma rather, Lon was highly
educated. He not only knew how to read and write, he also knew math.
Right? So which was uncommon among those people, but he came from a
rough background. He grew up rough. His father was a very tough
man. So it's a different it's a different breed. These are the
it's like the domains or the aristocrats. In the in Amara Diwan
is an eloquent, educated genius, but kind of a tough man. Yeah. So
yeah, he's lucky because what is all these guards? Yeah, pull your
sword out.
While we, as mother used to always say was just when she was tough,
right? Hence, she Rajala she used to say you will be the king of the
Arabs. She's planted it in him. She was. She wasn't kidding. And
he said, I'm the first king of their business. Remember, her dad
said that when a scribe of the Prophet even though he says he's
the king to us. He's the sixth editor. Of course, Cena hasn't
ruled for six months, and then sent him out. So
now, I wanted to turn now to something else. Because why are we
talking about this Assura to the issue of oppression, and the issue
of never giving injustice a hard time. Now what an easy and easy
pass and easy done? Why am I saying this our religion, Allah to
Allah has brought number one knowledge revel revealed
knowledge. Number two, he brought us a spiritual at a nearness to
him. And
all this has to be protected. point is this is how to protect
the node that the Prophet gives some Allahu alayhi wa sallam
brought by the Quran, through the Quran, and through his sunnah. It
really gives us a great life, right? Oh, this great life needs
to be protected, of course, and what is it that's going to ruin
this life? Right? And I always like tell remind, it's very
important to remind people of the number that they're in. When I
even like when I go on field. I said, Look at look, listen, this.
And some of the youth are there for the youth. Now, look at this.
Look, the skies clear. The grass is beautiful, right? The roads are
clean, right? How does? Allah has given us a good life, right? We
have your family got grandparents, you don't have we don't get drunk,
right? We don't have problems. You know, you're getting married.
hamdullah we get married, we go to our, every year the Shabbat we're
getting married Hamdulillah. Right. So and the little kids see
this. So this is this is an amazing thing. Right? And they get
married and they have their own kids, and they repeat the cycle
and the grandparents are happy. Now. All of this happiness, we
have jobs. It's from the idea, right? It's from justice from
acting rightly. So justice is the protector of a good life. We have
a nice happy good life. Right? And most Westerners they have this
right that hamdulillah Western Muslim you have meaning in your
life, you have purpose. If you do some wicked you have some
spirituality to right. Overall, we have great blessing. What's gonna
ruin it injustice, any injustice, Muslim or Catholic? Right? So we
have to frame justice is that justice is not the goal. Justice
is the protector of the prize, right? So when we talk about
oppression, we don't talk about it like from the Marxist standpoint
or the political standpoint that when we say the word the
oppressor, it's the tyrants in the desk bots. And when are you going
to see a tyrant in your life? Think about let's be practical.
Right. This is talk. Okay. It was a golf course in Bedminster. Yeah.
That's what you were saying earlier about the Monday morning
quarterbacks. And it's not just about like, 1400 years ago, people
are calling, you know, doing the Monday morning quarterback. People
will do the Monday morning quarterback of of, you know,
events that are happening in the world now. Yeah. These are real
life events that happen to real life. People. When you read it in
a textbook or you know, read it on a tweet. It's very different.
Right. And I want to be on the record. I'm sorry that and I have
I have to have proof because of electronic devices that on Friday
night. Not Monday morning on Friday night. I was like, Don't do
it. Don't play that game. On what? On Friday night? Not Monday
morning. Yeah. I was I've been that's I've not changed my
position on that. Yeah, I wasn't opposed to people and I didn't
criticize them. But I did say that it's not the right thing, which is
what a workout Well, what is that? Any of any of what happened since
Tunisia? Oh, yeah. The Tunisians had it relatively easy. Yeah,
because that guy was was not strong. Arab Spring you're talking
about Yeah. banality was not strong. Yeah, he was he wasn't
acid
And he wasn't Mubarak he wasn't definitely see. He wasn't he
wasn't as strong as these guys and you know the military kinda was
like yeah
gotta go yeah yeah he's not he's not the one also it's not a is
really buffer it's not a buffer for Israel it can come and gone
but French are out of that is it Tunisia can come and go no one's
gonna be bothered the last time the French intervene in any of
this was to was to the bombing of Libya yeah and because they were
trying to get that contract from with fighter jets with UAE which
they did yeah I mean if anyone has friends in a war recently yeah if
they showed off their their airplanes if anyone wants to know
the basic summary Lesson One to One of Middle East politics I
don't know why we still call it Middle East it's a British term
relative to
the world yeah we should call it the center zone since Mecca is our
center zone Middle Earth
but the summary is the west they in Europe they need the despots
there to create a buffer for Israel That's how simple it is
right I mean that's so but what we were saying that when is the last
time you got your when it When are you ever in your life going to
really stand up against oppression? Okay yes it's a nice
it's a very important principle to have against Yes, he's he's a
killer. He killed all those people are rabid. Ah, okay. All these
people are killers. That's the principle you touch upon it. Okay,
once or twice in your life and that's it. That's our position
period. Right? to harp on it every single day from 3000 Miles ways
not shown courage. Oppression in Sharia is every disobedience of
Allah subhanho wa Taala inochi. The in fifth in WA Mala It's in
everything, okay. And the first responsibility
in this is your own self. The second responsibilities your
family, if you have dependents that you that you have they have
to listen to you. Your third responsibility now is your small
commute your friends and your community. I have called on it is
it is right. Go full circle Alikum. Nora, right. Protect your
your it's so if we want to be these courageous people against
oppression, to write an article about a guy who's never gonna see
it. Who's 5000 miles away? Who doesn't speak your language? Okay,
it's nice. It's not a display of courage. It's not a display of
great Eman. What really Allah is going to ask you about, yes, that
position is important. I agree with that. I'm for that I'm
against them all. We all are. But the what Allah will truly ask you
about is your dependents. Okay, your community you saw the Haram
happening in your community? What's the basic haram? Okay, the
community stopped eating halal meat. This, and I'm telling you
the type of
the type of like you said so as type, right, those.
So ask the universe. Yeah. School of Oriental and African Studies,
those types.
These types of people on Twitter, right, a lot of them. So what
they're looking at, I lost my train of thought because outs are
showing me
the type of size people. Yeah, so I was saying, I'm sorry, he's
showing it to you because of that comment, which is, yeah, Twitter
comments are of no real constant, no consequences in real life,
except for the sins of the time that you commit, Joe, other than
that, there's no point there's no bonuses, you're not unlocking new
levels by being super cool on Twitter. It's not giving you
anything. And these and these views that oppression is this
almost sounds like it's almost a type of Marxist approach, which
being against oppression is not Marxist, right? But to view it as
it's us versus the ruler might be the opposite.
It's, it's the ruler, the ruler, okay, we get that. That's our
position, but oppression in Syria can be much closer to home, it can
be much something much smaller. Right? Like backbiting, like UPC
people not you know, observing their Deen properly, like a false
belief that's gonna heretical belief that spreading in the in
your friend group, right? All this is built into it's all oppression
to but that's something more likely that Allah will ask you
about because you could have done something about it. Yeah. I mean,
that's my main problem. And that's actually why have been silent this
half of this episode. Yeah, it's because
in real life, right, most of like the people that are you know,
clamoring on about this, whether it's on Twitter or writing
articles.
I mean, in real life, these things don't have like
consequences to the degree that people imagine them to be to have
right? It's It's the it's the real life effort that happens in your
local communities in your in your flock, so to speak, that that
actually matters, right. I mean, it's I think it's not just these
Muslim topics. I think any topic most people online are just, you
know, I just imagine these people you know, sitting on their
couches, eating Cheetos, typing out these messages on
their mom's couch
Yeah, like their dad's couch. Can't afford rent. Yeah, average
age is probably under 30 years old, average. Look, I don't have
time to read somebody.
Some of these guys sent me a bunch of articles on, you know, like,
I've actually not followed up on the Dr. Sherman Jackson thinks he
thinks I don't have time. I have a job.
Great measure a great measure of things. In one sense, a great
measures in one sense of the relevance or importance of real
world importance of things is what are the 45 and 46 year old people
doing? Because at that age, usually, you got a lot of
responsibilities. You got a lot of time, right? I mean, you don't
have a lot of time, you got a lot of responsibilities. So those
types of people care more about, you know, what's going on in the
local Masjid. What are we doing to make sure the kids learning Arabic
makes their next generations learning Quran, right. So you'll
find the sectors of the age sector tells you a lot about them. But on
the other hand, there is another flipside to this, that as you grow
older, and you have more responsibility, you become too
practical and you lose, you lose idealism, you can never lose your
idealism. And idealism usually is the place of youth. And if you
lose it, it's so shame that okay, life came, and I'm so busy, and
all that matters is the prices of gas, you don't want to become that
person. You become like the insurance company, have you become
your parents lately? You don't, I think it's extremely important for
certain people in certain positions of actual influence to
be involved in these things and I think they should have advisors
and etcetera, etcetera. However, I think the common lay folk Okay,
look, let me take give you a most very recent example, this this
stuff with Alia laria, right. I had not read any of this stuff
that you guys started sending around for the last three weeks. I
read it yesterday. And I was like, Oh, so this was the big deal.
Okay. I moved on. Okay. Everybody else has already moved on. You
know what that was? That was that was that was a young upstart,
challenging some older people in the community. And it's the type
of thing that 20 years ago somebody would have would have
pulled out a gauntlet, a gun, a glove. Smack. Somebody said, I
want satisfaction and they would have been at dawn.
Like, it's like one, it's like one person insulting another? And we
don't I you know,
I know who said I take but it doesn't matter who said Who the
* am I? Yeah, like, honestly, what does it matter who shot
someone is someone asked one of them knows me or cares. Someone
asked me. I want to know your opinion. Yes or no was easy,
legitimate. said How does it why does it matter? Right? What I
think that's a litmus test. Right? It's a litmus test and just, you
know what, you should answer them. Yeah. I don't even know if you're
legitimate.
It's a total litmus test. I mean, thinking, okay, so if I answered
it, correct. I don't know you. You don't know me. Right? What
differences? It's irrelevant. I'm sorry. I'll give you the best
example. I used to have an old car long time ago when I first got
married, and had a dent on the door because somebody sideswiped
me or whatever, right? And the car work, the window went down. It
wasn't then. Yeah, it was an older car. I never fixed it. Am I when
we first got married, she was like, what you fix that it's only
a couple $100 Somewhere the buffet or whatever? And I said, for what?
It's a cosmetic, like, the only people 99% of the people that see
that there are people who see me driving down the street. Yeah. And
I don't care what they think. And then the people who see me with
that, that know me know that I don't care what they think about
my car, and I see the car from the inside. What do I care? I actually
have a dent on this. Yeah, and who here right and this is the this is
the this is who we are the Muslim Twitter or the Muslim social media
intelligentsia, or lack thereof, where the dead and the people who
are actually making doing effective things in their
communities or on a broader scale like Dr. Jackson, they don't care
they're not counting the retweets and likes and comments about
articles above you want to hear something you want to use them I
never really talked about these things, but this was actually
pretty funny.
When I had said that, listen an evolution you cannot have parents
true Adam, you cannot believe that and you could not believe that he
came out of something else. Like whatever you do you believe so you
that he was created and he was of clay at some point hardened clay
so the sardine can Faqad it comes three times in the Quran, right?
So he was created directly by Allah to Allah using mud and
water. Right? And Allah fashioned him in a way we know who knows and
what difference does it make to he was fashion, okay? You don't even
know how, you know, you don't know a lot of things. How the phone
that you were used was fashions, differences and make to you. Okay,
he was fashion by Allah. That's all you need to know. So and he
did not have any
one preceding him as a parent, and he did not grow out of something.
Okay, that's all you need to know. So that's clear in the Quran. Now.
That night, people kept sending me messages. Oh, they're going on
about you so badly. They're making fun of you right there.
saying your limiting thought, right? It's not me. It's the
Quran, right?
Your limiting thought you're this and that. I'm telling you that
night. I slept I was like, You gotta be kidding me, right? So I
never speak about these things. But I had a dream that night.
So in that dream that night, I jumped that there was a lake, and
there was some dedication right next to the lake. And now removing
the defecation. Right. And I'm removing it. And that there was a
Muslim school some far back behind me with elementary kids. And the
elementary kids are looking out the window and seeing me like
removing poop like shoveling and laughing, eyes moving poop, right
laughing at me, I get the symbolism. They're laughing at me.
And I'm like, What can I do? Let me just make them laugh even more,
right?
So,
but that didn't when I woke up. I was like, sort of like, confirmed
what I was feeling is that you got kids, they'll grow up. They'll
grow up and they'll realize that what they were saying was wrong,
right. And I'm not saying kids to belittle them. I'm saying we all
went through phases. I'm telling you, no one regrets has a list of
regrets greater than me. Right? Because I was trying to learn and
develop, which means that you're going to regret something in the
past. Sure. Right. So I've already said and I'll always say it I
regret that I have some bad blood with other Muslims. I wish I did.
Right. But sometimes we had some clashes. But it's not something
I'm happy but I don't mind clashing with one at 15 traders
heretics. Enemies of sow die. happy about that. All right. I
want that. Right. But
I don't want to be in a bad blood with anyone who who is upon you
know, what we know is normal Sunni normative. I guess. That's the
phrase right? normatively?
I didn't want to believe I just said that. Let me go wash up my
mouth. Because I don't like these academic words. Edison, right. So
that's one thing I regret so he always regrets if so I'm not
saying kids like you. I'm belittling them. Tomorrow.
There'll be adults and they're young, because the the saddest,
most depressing despicable thing is like an adult adult. There's no
carrying on like this. Man. Rogers, right. Yeah, over 40 an
adult and you still like carrying on with these things? Like just
must be unemployed yourself. And you know what something you
mentioned about like 40 year olds, there are 40 year olds who have
lives and jobs who have no idea about 95% of the things that
happen. Who are just regular Masjid going most voted.
Most Muslims don't know any of it. I mean, there's sometimes I'm
like, I think to myself, like you know, I hope people listen to a
couple episodes of us and then just stop Listen.
Listen,
like go go go to the masjid go actually be somewhere stop
listening to No Come on, man. I'm trying to monetize.
Stop listening to Safina check stop let's check the show is in
the cage. Just go go do some work. Listen, I listen to what
the the someone wants that said to me, Hey, isn't this so toxic? How
do you do this? Right? It's like constant toxicity and
argumentation on the other stuff. A sweater it used to be Facebook,
Facebook is still takes so long to load. Right?
goes straight down years ago. And it's good and think about it. The
reason is that if what I have a pain you have to have prepared if
you're like if you're doing an organization. So when I do my
page, and I have to refresh to see what's going on the refreshing
process is so long and the first half of the screen, they give you
these boxes that have no value to you like what your what images you
posted what videos you posted in the past and these boxes I don't
read do you have to click up by the time you click up you have to
wait even more. Like that's why the Facebook is dying out. The
code is so overloaded roll these algorithms to what it is to write
ads algorithms to try to find keywords and try so they can know
whether or not they have to cancel and ban you and D platform you and
then you know firstly has to get run through the NSA and then the
CIA and then all the other alphabet boys. Yeah. And then it
goes to the private firms like Cambridge analytical Yeah. All
before you can get up to your face. Exactly. So so when I
scroll, it takes so long that by the time I open that thing up, I'm
gonna open it up once or twice a day. The Twitter feed though it's
like a constant. It's very quick. Jack doesn't care Jack Dorsey.
Yeah, he does care he loves anything happened. Yeah, it's so
quick like anything except the only thing that gets banned.
There's Alex Jones and Milo
in Farrakhan for a while, but then they brought him back in the game.
So verify. So when people so when this guy asked me, I said
honestly, every time I click it off at hamdulillah it's a big name
to be busy in life, right? With real human beings. Like when I go
to the masjid. How many people there even know that we have a
cast right? Even in our message.
My friends, listen, listen to this. Listen. I don't want them to
because you
You guys when I walk in and none of you know what's going on on
quote unquote, empty this whatever phrase it was, okay that so
whenever and they have no clue it's refreshing to me, it deletes.
And then you go up if you have a family like your mother in law
comes over, you think she has a point 5% clue? No. Right. She
brings home another another zone and another set of things and it
totally wipes away. So that's why I'm able to go back refreshed for
more toxicity right?
Quickly.
I was I was I went to where you guys down? Because I have a life.
I'm coming back and I will wear you guys down.
Remember last week when I was out of town, you did that other
podcast? Yeah. Which I listen to is really good. So on the road
trip, my wife was oh, this is good. We're going to be driving
for like five hours. Four and a half hours. I can listen to the
first episode of season and that was it come on
can we put her on? Like anything? Put the radio on? I don't care,
Mohammed.
Mohammed Salim is the brother who put out a message. He said, he's a
good guy. And he said,
he runs the man wire. He's a good guy. He said, we don't even know
what's going on in our local community. Right? That might be
true for people who don't have a master. Right. And by the way, we
got a message that Hamdulillah we can get along with people, right.
We're actually we're actually in the minority. But there's no
there's no lawsuits. Yeah, there's no lawsuits. There's also no like,
like sort of hierarchy that really bothers you. Like to me if I went
to any amendment, he's he goes and fits out with that I didn't agree
with I will combust. I couldn't take. Like I've unfortunately
developed to the point that I wouldn't be able to say it's a
standard, right? So someone given nonsense, fatawa and messing up in
the job, right? So is we it's sort of become a profession and you
won't be able to tolerate, you'd have to quit. So but many, many
people are educated. And they go to masajid. And they can't believe
what's going on. They're so frustrated they leave. And these
people, it's very tough for them. They can't just go make another
Masjid because it'd be like you're dividing the community. So they're
sort of not connected to any Masjid life. I really feel I feel
for them. May Allah protect what we have here? Because it's
actually a real community. Yeah, I mean, like, just today I was late.
I was looking, I was
engaging in some business. And I was with Sammys nephew, which one
sent me Cadillacs nephew.
And Mustafa Mustafa Turon. Yeah. And then also, doctors igloos wife
came over to talk to my wife about the thing that we were that we
were engaging in. So like, this is just the community. Yeah, right.
Like we see them outside and we interact with them when we do
business with each other. Then we visit each other outside of it's
not just we see people in the machine we go hey, I remember.
Yeah, I remember having that or somebody. Yeah, the lines crossed
on so many different levels. Yeah, we try we try hard to do that. And
I think it's just happened by itself released from it's organic,
it's organic. have nobody forced it. Yeah. And honestly, we have to
say that the masjid was founded with a pure intention by Imams
eight, right? So and then every time I see memes aid, anyone
until I'm telling you about honest with you, okay. People don't like
that he how much he supports Hamza Yusuf, because she comes as the
UAE thing. All right, that's your opinion. Fine. But the man if you
have any will, ill will towards the men you are making a big
mistake. This is one of the softest, kindest Imams that you'll
ever find. Mashallah, he is okay. So say say, Oh, they want him to
take a strong position. What are you talking about? That's, that's
not the judgment of Allah to Allah. You're going to the other
person. Let's be honest that you can maybe as the profession of
Imam you don't like the way he's doing his job. Firstly, you don't
even know Fatiha properly. Right.
Right. And like you're giving me right now. The Sunnah of us. All
of those people, quote unquote, canceling Imams. Firstly, you
gotta be someone to cancel. You're not even someone.
Like you're not someone of worth to cancel. It's not like you're
Netflix canceling a contract.
That's your cancellation is worth let me tell you that cancel thing.
Yeah, it's, it's goofy. And it's, can you explain so? That's exactly
what I'm gonna explain it to you very simply.
It's literally it's literally the blacklisting of the 1950s except
that it's not organized by the government. So it's disorganized.
It's a bunch of people going, how many retweets or how many likes or
how many thumbs up can I get on this saying, We cancel that guy,
but it's blacklisting. It's like you don't have the right ideas. So
you're not allowed to participate. Okay, but it's strange Why
localism. Exactly yeah,
you're off the minute medical ism is the extreme of Salafism Shabazz
Moo.
Rafi talk radio. Yeah.
I have some disabled selfies too. It's not a bad thing. Abu Dhabi
and magically is a man who said, If you have all He has such a
narrow view of what is a Sunni. And if you're not a Sunni, you're
cancelled by I mean so many of his followers that are such nice
people really, but yeah, not to each other. Maybe they're nice to
us because we're like, not even Muslim.
Right? But Thomas each other, they're very strict. Yeah. But to
like, people like us, they kind of like, Hey, buddy. Well, I have I
have a friend from Texas, right name Abul. So they met Brent. And
he goes,
he goes, he taught me about this because he knew about this stuff.
And he says the medical is what they do is is chained to idea. So
you're an innovator because for example, you would be an inner pa
you wouldn't be an innovator by association, the original
blockchain. Yeah. Walk you through.
You the one thing like you quote said, quote, innovator. Okay.
Well, you quoted the person who quoted said, you're an innovator.
Okay. You didn't make to create it. You didn't accuse your didn't
claim innovation upon the person who quoted the person who quoted
said, quote, you're an innovator, right? So it ended up everyone's
an innovator, okay, like the subcontinent.
Dude, it's like you, you haven't cancelled Kevin Hart. Forget that.
You didn't cancel the guy that didn't cancel. Kevin. Wait, you
didn't cancel the entire city of Philadelphia because they didn't
cancel it. Kevin Hart and the TV station. So what did Kevin Hart
do? By the way? He made a joke about if his son was gay, he would
have a negative reaction. Oh, okay. is terrible. And it was
talking 10 years ago, and it's joking among friends, but it was
he said he didn't he said something like if my son was like
acting gay. I get a doll house a house. A doll house? Yeah. Are
they here? Listen, anyone who ever has to succumb to that crowd,
right? You're in trouble. You're just gonna get cancelled at some
point or another before we can cancel because hopefully
everybody's very engaged now can we get a dog for cuttings
daughter, Mashallah. And let's get Okay, so what's that? Getting
worldwide? Yes, a worldwide Do I like people beautiful. By the way,
this is an amazing story, by the way, firstly, that
the sister Alicia came into the community and hamdulillah in a in
a manner that she was always so
like from day one from day one. Right? And she married Kadeem, but
a guy who's from Nigeria is Egyptian named pray to Gyptian
name.
So the baby yeah, the baby is now heavier duty yemisi of rify
because in Nigeria, okay. I think it's like the immediate relatives
all get to choose a name. And you add them all up. Because they can
be matumbo has like nine names. Right? I saw that. And it's an
African heritage that each relative gets to choose a name so
I guessing that's what's happened. So she has a beautiful name had
heard the Dooney MEC ever Rafa May Allah subhanaw taala maker from
the automa slaughter Hien I mean, okay, and may Allah subhanaw taala
make her a kura giant for her parents, and a righteous daughter.
And may Allah make sure that give her stuff Allah make sure May
Allah to Allah give her a spouse who was also equally righteous and
give them grandkids who will please them in this life and the
next
with the same spirit of their parents so that this method will
in this community will continue to function at a high level and show
love in the Lazzara because Alicia is received the Convert
coordinator. And she had to step down and Thomas is now the
conference coordinator. So they come Tom. Yeah.
So while we're on that, I'd like to do one more shout out so we
have another brother. His name is Hamza Aziz. Hamza is he's a great
brother from Toronto. Mashallah. Yeah, so he he actually gave me
some fruits and mangoes to bring the doctor shed the owner, but I
wasn't able to bring them across the board. Come on.
trust anyone mangoes.
They were Pakistani mangoes. Very famous didn't make it didn't make
it so
I just wanted to you know, may Allah increase, Hamza Aziz. I
mean, beautiful brother. And let me say a couple things to
who has the like, Portuguese named mangoes? Which one is which were
Indians or the Egyptian like Alfonso? Alfonso? Yes, I think
it's American. There's that Mexican I thought I thought those
were the ones that were either in Egypt or in my Pakistan has like
what are they called? I should I'm not focused on it but I called
Well, the the Nigerians do not have the big green mangoes. Yeah,
big green mangoes. Yeah, yeah, but anyways, I was going back to the
cancel thing.
So, one I think this is ridiculous. But don't you like at
least like the month colorism thing they have like a list if I'm
not mistaken, right? Like a principle you have? Well, they
actually had like a physical list of like, oh people you have the
people who were cool or like on the blacklist. Yeah. Oh my god
list when it came to like McCarthyism, there was still like
you're cancelled for something. How does that work in the Muslim
world? Like, what do you mean? Like you cancel this exam? The
take? Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you what cancellation is to
me. Let's say they canceled the Safina podcast. Who is they?
Right? I guess isn't the governor? Yeah, like it's like, okay, some
random like, do right, which is why I said you gotta be someone to
candidate. Some random dude. Yeah, like it's irrelevant, listening to
us in his mom's basement. He's like, Oh, I don't like this. I'm
gonna cancel you cool, bro. Listen,
listen. So this is the thing that I should like to share the earlier
I'm gonna read the whole thing somewhere. Yeah.
Some some dude. And Twitter was like, Hamza Yusuf has really dug
his fanboys into a hole this time, and there's no getting out.
And I was like, brah
we're Twitter comments are of no consequence. Like, what do you
talk? Well hold?
You sent him in your real name, and you have a picture of of the
membership?
Nobody cares.
I'll tell you the only value of this cancellation if you're taking
theology from a person, and he turns out that he went crazy,
right? He turned into some * or something. Right?
You stopped listening. That's it. Right? That's the only value that
this this thing has in our lives. Right?
That's, that's irrelevant. So but anybody else's Right. Like, yeah,
it's your shape. And you can take Yeah, obviously, or somebody just
somebody's openly, like, look, here's one thing, but this stuff
is like, silly. One thing I do want to throw and this is kind of
the opposite of what we've been saying the half of the last half
hour is does that mean that you know you shouldn't say anything or
be quiet when you know, there is legitimate oppression, right? I
mean, I think that
and is it okay? Oh, raising awareness is legitimate men, but
oppression and those who help the oppressor. Yeah. And hustle and
bustle it listen to this though. Hustle and bustle. The A man came
to him and he said, Sir, who prays with him in the masjid all the
time in Buffalo. And he said to him, amen.
I make the job for her judgment usage. But I don't support him. He
said by making a stove you're supporting any inch of support to
that volume, who's who's killed people in public? The guards that
were the guard that was watching will remember Ahmed? Yeah, he was
incarcerated. And he said
he was Muslim though. So he unbelievers he said, Hmm.
Am I considered like one who assists the oppressor? Yeah. He
famously said, No, the one who cuts your hair and sews your
clothes is assisting the oppressor you are the oppressor Oh, and he's
not the Khalifa but he works directly so that's why for Island
what he meant was you know the human right right Pharaoh Hemin
and all of their supporters, their soldiers so
but are we going to start making a chain reaction type of thing a
chain type dia, alright, so you're an oppressor you're supportive
oppressor. You looked at a support? Okay, what do we have to
have some? Um, so we you know what, you know what that ends up,
it ends up in everyone who lives in western lands and pays taxes
there or doesn't actively oppose their government, our fair targets
for suicide, which is a hideous federal Bin Laden, bin Laden, Enza
rispetto. So, but to make it clear, I feel that
any ruler who has a black, you know, has has has blood on their
hands or has you know, has done wrong.
It's very much similar to intoxicants, it's very much
similar to elicit gender interactions, stay as far away as
possible, you come close to it, you will mess yourself up, right?
Like if you talk talk in any way, shape or form inappropriately, to
or even close to inappropriately to another system.
You're gonna have a problem in your household, right? Your wife
is not going to be happy. Right? And you should be happy that be
that's what protects marriages. Zerah protects marriages. Right.
So I have no problem not making fun of it. I think it's a good
thing. I mean, talk to talk to the sisters father. Yeah. And then
your wife might have a problem with that too. But if you're if
you if you're talking you're talking for some legitimate
purpose right? There's nothing that needs to be private between
you and some other random sister know if it's a work sister put
another colleague on right, if it is a community member who has a
question for example, my wife all and not on my life, many of my
colleagues is Safina said, all my pages are open all the messages.
If someone sends me a message, right? You say something
If, if anyone sent me a message, they don't read it, but they could
write, and my wife can. Because that's the way to avoid any type
of funny business. You cannot have. There's a popular thing
about like, guys not leaving their phones around because their wives
or my phone is not logged in my wife. Yeah. My was I was thinking
about traveling with your family. And I was like, Oh, my phone is
international. Yeah, we'll switch phones. Yeah, yeah. There should
be no issue. intoxicants don't even come near it. Don't come near
it. Right. Because it's, it's attractive. It's nice. Right. It's
addictive. Wait, and then even if it's legalized?
Power is no different. But is that is that clarification that people
are looking for? And I've listened to all of you guys for the past 30
minutes or so? Even more? And, yes, regular people. We can't do
anything about it. That's obvious, right? And whatever we say on
Twitter doesn't matter. Right. But, you know, the You, yourself
and other people, they're in a position of power where they know
those people. Right. And the question is, I mean, you mentioned
him Ahmed, even Muhammad has a hadith and his Muslim. He says, at
the process, um, says, you will have rulers over you, but do not
aid them in their injustice, I believe their lives, forever aid
to them and their injustice or believes their lives will not
reach me at the fountain on the Day of Judgment. Right. So I mean,
this is so important it is so it's worse than Hummer, it's worse than
Zina. Okay. Stay away completely. I'm telling you, if I found
someone, any anyone who's doing any type of abuse to others, let
alone these rules, because their abuse is huge. Right? Right. Why
would you come near it? But if somebody does have somebody that's
that you've respected that led the community, it seems as if they're
assisting other people not we're not saying that they are, right,
because they've made themselves very clear. They've talked about
their intention that they're trying to reduce harm, so on and
so forth, right, as certainly some of these people that are working
with the UAE, and so on and so forth. Right? But if they're not
clear about it, and like everyone, see, that's not that's not
necessary. And I'll tell you why. Yeah. And I'm not making excuses
for anyone, and anybody that actually knows me in real life
knows that I take issue with the unnamed redacted name that we're
that we're
the person the elephant in the room that we're not just not
naming right. I take issue and in fact, my issue on that started on
like September 12, or 13th, whenever that big press conference
was that or the speech that the President gave, right? So I from
that day, my I have friends that still make fun of me. And they're
like, remember when you said about so and so? It is what it is?
Right? So I'm honest about that. But yeah, also, we have to know we
have to parse the wording of that hadith, right? A system in their
oppression, exactly. And believe their lives. And
just because you're meeting with them, and they might be using that
meeting as a prop and is or is is are you actually assisting them?
Allah Haarlem, right. And as far as like, well be clear and say,
You're not. If you're if you're actually working a plan. And I
give people the benefit of the doubt, especially people that have
benefited me, and 1000s of others. Give people the benefit of doubt.
If you're working a plan. You can't be working that guy while
also simultaneously going on. I make sure that all the Muslims
online see this possible?
I'm not
sure you don't have to you don't have to. You do not owe the
internet an explanation. I totally get that. Let's let's not even
talk about this individual. Right. Let's look at Egypt. Right? When
Morsi was in power, there were certain people there was
demonstration all over the country was here.
Right. Okay. The deep state what is it wasn't power. I mean, yeah,
whatever the case when he was in power, the very senior, very
famous people. I'm not gonna mention their names. They're not
from the US. They're in Egypt. They weren't talking about
obedience to the ruler. True. Very good point. They were talking
about a point you can't do heroes. They immediately sided with CC.
Yeah. Right. And and you're totally right. Now, here's the
thing a fine, fine. Maybe you think Morse is doing a lot of
harm? On critical by the way? No, no, I'm sure I'm sure. I'm just
saying what's the ethic here, right. Yeah, the so let's say
these shoes. Okay, fine. They think that mercy is doing a bad
job. So they side with the cool, fine. Okay. But then some of them
go on TV. And they give fatawa that it's go out and kill the
robot protesters kill these people like dogs and so on. Yeah. So my
question is, at what level can you say? Look, you're just you're not
making any sense? Yeah, no, I don't support it. By the way. I
think one level can you cancel? Yeah, I mean, but what this is,
that's where it is right? I will do it. You do it all day. Here's
what here's what I know for sure. Right? Say that. Some mm big,
multi type dude goes and says
Sisi is the greatest president that ever lived. He's, he's, he's,
he's the sixth of the righteous guy.
Whatever right he did when he went and took a picture on on Hajj,
making dua with his back to the Kaaba. He was because he just
wanted to bless us with his glowing
whatever, whatever stupidity they say, I can go dashi clinically
wrong. He's an oppressor. He's a macdaddy. He might even be a
monastic. And he's probably getting paid. And he did it. And
then he walked right around the corner and was like, Thanks, and
walked out with a bag that had dollar signs. The whole bit,
right? You know what that accounts for?
Zero. So what if I feel that way?
But there is a point, though, in if you if you're setting an
example for someone, Oh, yeah. Right. So if people are watching
you, let's say you had a brother, younger brother, who's watching
your reaction, if the value is for that, I mean, I tell them, that's
the real value I'll grab, I'll pull him aside. That's
the point. And the reason I bring it up is because when we have
stuff like this happening, right, like when you're when your family
members or so on and so forth, are killed in Syria, or Egypt, and so
on and so forth, and people that you admire, I'm not talking about
people in the US, right? I'm talking about other people, people
that you admire, are supporting these killings, and in fact,
calling them dogs and whereas these people are Muslim. So what
does that do to your idea of religion? Like these people are
the senior Omar so on so forth, to me when you separate? And this is
why I bring it up, right that we need to separate individuals from
the deen of Allah subhanaw taala? Yeah, the will people make
mistakes, and all of them are human beings, and they're gonna
make mistakes and sins and major sins. And all of that can make
major sense. Elia can make major sense, right? All of the RMS said,
what I just said with about CC. Oh, there was a GMAT of the living
to scholarship today. I'd be like, Well, I mean, these guys, human
beings, Iran is messenger. And this has changed my religion.
Yeah, I'm sure there's a local Imam, someone who's gonna be like,
Oh.
So, so so I'll just pray in His mission. Yeah. And the wrong, I'm
not taking my religion from them. I'm gonna warn, you know, that
this is a bad example, right. And I'm gonna kick in fast and make a
fuss about it so that the next generation at least doesn't do the
same. And by the way, all these incidents, the next generation of
Imams, none of them were going to be the the Stooges. Because this
thing is, it's just gotten so big, right? The lesson has been
learned. No one's gone down this route anymore. And if you do, if
you go down this route, there's something in your head, because
look at the reaction. And not just a bunch of so as kids
muzzle is not a so
this is a smart, pious Muslim guy, right?
Any anyone? You go ask anyone in the masjid
want any part of this stuff? Right? So it's, it's gotten out
there. Okay, they did that. Trial and error, maybe whatever you want
to call it? It blew up? No one's gonna do this again. Right. I
mean, a lot of things are trial and error. And a lot of things are
judgment calls. And a lot of things happen so slowly, without
you realizing, like 589 years ago, no one really looked at the UAE as
the as the mastermind of the Arab winter, they call it right.
No one viewed it like that. So 19 years ago, relationship with the
UAE not only on the radar, it doesn't move the needle. Yeah,
right. Then it changed. The guy changed or the guy grew into his
position as the leader, right. Mohammed bin Zayed, he grew into
it, whatever. And he started now coming on the radar. Now he's
organizing coos and counter coos, right? And now he's putting people
he's putting in hifter. He's putting in Sudan, he's putting in
CC. We didn't know this. This is something that developed so people
were already caught up with him, right? I mean, he's, he's doing
you know what he's doing. He's doing what all politicians have
ever done in that region. Just be successful at it, though. He's
competing, he's competing with MBs. Yeah, right. Like they're on
there. It's really a race between the two, right? Who's gonna
control the golf who's gonna control the domain, and who's
gonna be the most successful? Which is why MBS is like brah come
Disney come through. Yeah, we're gonna set up some deals with
Israel in the north to run like the you know, that that city,
whatever it is ksa 3020 30. Yeah, future vision 2030. He's just
trying to be more like the UAE because he knows that things are
drying up in the oil, literally, and, and figuratively, and he just
wants to use like, yo, yo, these guys have a good model. And
they're also as impressive as we are. So so but so this idea. So
there's really two points here, and I'll get some wine in a
second. But the first point is that, yeah, there is a type of
reaction that's almost sort of, we set a sort of moral event, secular
almost react.
To the thing, but there's also a legitimate reaction to the thing.
There were legitimate one is what I said is like, there's gonna be
some, you know,
Quran and Hadith in the critique. And that's what many people were
talking about. Somebody has published a piece on this, right?
It's like, sometimes you're seeing now a lot of critiques is
completely secular. Right? Right. How about where, what about these
from the Islamic perspective, and I'm telling you from the Islamic
perspective, this the position of caution, when it comes to Imams
and rulers is gonna become the norm. It's got it's got to become
the norm at what about after nomad? You don't think it's gonna
become the norm to white because the
center, the center of this Aloha, I'm sure, but the center of this
is the Gulf, right? Yeah. And the entire history of KSA is collusion
between vile disgusting rulers, and chefs that are being harsh
with the people but easy on the rulers. Right? I mean, to this
day, I mean, it's become like, they're like a families now.
Right? So you have a hardship, I'll say, is the other than the
other side? It's a solid family. Like, it's like these two cards.
No, but I'm saying these western Imams who are from this other part
of the game in on it, right. Yeah. I mean, maybe you might be right.
That'd be unfortunate. Right. And legacies, that'd be unfortunate.
But just like when no man alicorns fitna happens, right. What was the
first thing that everyone did? Let's re look at our policies
relating to gender, right. So that nothing close comes to it. Right.
Yeah. Cuz that's just something close by. I don't know what
happened there. But yeah, what let's just forget that forget the
actual thing. That was the actual course it was an explosion, right?
Yeah, yeah. And people took a lesson from that. Likewise, if
some fitna happens with some shake, that is financial dealings,
or shady, all of us and he gets like, he goes to jail on IRS
charges or whatever. The next thing that's going to happen is
every organization is going to go into it, let's not make the same
mistake. So in the progression of any industry, there are people who
step on Mines, right? And the next generation benefits from this by
saying, let's not step on that mind, right? Let's be put a huge
circle, a red circle around that mind, and not even come up 10
miles from it. So that's what I feel is the silver lining on this
whole thing, right? And if people don't take heed, you know, we
don't want to be key. And if history repeats itself, then we're
stupid. And the only reason I said that, I don't know if that's going
to work is because
this is that, that that landmine was already outlined for us before
it ever happened by the prophets on the longest the most, but
people don't take heed until they see it explode. Yeah, that's
that's what it is. Yeah. It's like, it's like you circle the
landmine but the marking gets stepped on. And then there's so
many people over the years, you know, there yes, there's, there's
the other side of it. Like say you have a ruler who's like, legit
seems like a legit guy. Nobody was perfect. That's why he's a
politician. Right? He's your guy who was like, I can do this better
than everybody already. Cabling stuff. But whatever. So please,
decent, a decent ruler, somebody that you want all around him? He's
Do you want good all around him? Totally kinda old advice. And he
probably if he's a decent ruler, he wants that. Yeah. So I mean,
what are we supposed to do with that? Now, here's the thing, you
want them around? You're slippery slopes always happen? Let's say,
Okay, we all learned the lesson. And then 15 years later, 3040 50
years later, we got a great ruler. Right? I would have a problem
going to talk to him. Right? By the way. 4040 Excuse 70 excuses,
right? Suppose that upper level Allamanda region got the word
that, listen, Hillary Clinton's taking Morsi out, right?
What she's out, that's not a myth. I didn't say it was. But no, I'm
saying that they knew about it, right. So say senior level in that
region that interact and come there and come and go from there
or live there. We're told this guy's out. This is not going to.
Don't go around saying it on TV, because we'll kill you, your
children. Right. And that's not that's not an exaggeration of how
this will torture your children and then kill them. So don't go
wrong. But I'm telling you right now, don't side with this dude,
because it's going to be the most that you can do. Stay in your
lane. Don't say anything. When the new guy when we install the next
guy. Be nice to him. Otherwise, we'll just ban your religion
completely.
Bro. So that's why excuses sometimes being a public scholar
is a big problem. It's a big fit. I would never I would never want
it for myself or my descendants. Because
it's a no one. No one. You got to hope that you're playing a high a
high enough level of chess that on Day of Judgment. Your moves
are forgiven. Yeah, you have to make tau you have to be prepared
for Toba and hope for mercy because your moves make a mistake
you will make mistakes you will make mistakes because the
pressures series and the thing is that why
felt that the safest place the best place to be a Muslim is
adjust country
that the Muslims are an insignificant minority. Right? Not
significant minority to shake up anything, right? So that even if
you have a little following on the monks and Muslims, you're
following is insignificant the ruler doesn't care about your
following because then in the Muslim countries the shift has got
like millions of people listened to him right. Some of these
popular Messiah so the rulers really care about them the ANA
seven Malik Yeah. And so America had no followers, right. And he
was able to talk to the rules and talk to people without necessarily
having crowds. Right. So yes, I know that there's the ruling is
that to live with Muslims, right? And I actually wrote down I mean,
when there were Muslims here, yeah, we live it wasn't 100 For
that, a mimetic. He said that in the shadow *, Kabir. Malik
hated even going to the lands of pagans to trade, let alone living
was and he said that, number one, you might not be saved from
falling into sinful contracts, agreements or laws. That's number
one.
Number two, for sure. He said it's not honorable.
And I tell him, it is an honorable, right. When you're like
saying, when you're what you believe, the whole world the
society's against, it's not an honorable thing. It's like, I'm
like,
humbled here. Right? Okay, express myself. That's a lot of Muslim
countries now.
And third, it results in a slow erosion in care for the deen.
Because, yes, because when the whole society doesn't care about
like salah or hijab, or rules of riba or touching or whatever, and
then you slowly will not care about it either. So that's why I'm
American really didn't like people going to those lands, let alone
living in those lands. Now, I asked some scholars, what is our
rule on the lands where we're able to live? Right? They said, well,
it's there's no classical position on it, because there's no such
thing in the past.
But it is a reality, whether we like it or not, this is the rally,
probably 100 million Muslims live in English speaking country or the
Western world and Australia. I mean, the traders, the people who
did trade, the people who did trade, at least they were, I mean,
a lot of Islam spread that way. A lot. A lot of the Dienstleister in
Iraq because of those people. But there's the safe position and then
there's Imams, imams position was for himself. And we're in the wise
position, but it's not perfect right now, because he said, I hate
it. Yeah. Is it and you make it a hokum? So and sometimes they say
that when medic says I hate, it means that he considers it haram.
But he didn't have the
the airtight evidence. Right. So you have some sent one? Yeah.
Since we're getting to almost two hours here. Yeah.
One thing I wanted to bring back that we talked about earlier, is
this idea of poking the bear. And the mom was saying, right, yeah,
that that was an important thing that happened and speaking out
against depression.
You in the right way, is extremely important. Right. And I think, you
know, putting people down because of that is also not the right
attitude. Putting who down? Putting people who speak out
against oppression now is not the right attitude. And I think you
have those who do it correctly, for sure. Right. And you have that
as well. So I think like Alex mentioned earlier, life isn't
black and white, right? It's very gray. And especially these
situations are very gray. And I think one thing that people tend
to do often, right, is the things that are meant to be black and
white. They don't make them black and white, and the things that are
meant to be gray. They don't make them gray. Right. And it's almost
a flip, right? When we take people's character, like gender.
Like for example, take people's character.
A long time but take people's character, right?
It is oftentimes very gray. Right? There's a there's not everyone is
black and white. But when it comes to elements of of action, right?
When it comes to Dean when it comes to things that are supposed
to be correct and incorrect. Those can be black and white. Right? So
for example, a, a someone who makes a political decision, the
decision itself can be black and white, the character of the person
can be great. Right? And that's, I think, something that, you know,
is is very clear, when you look at history, when you look at, you
know, current situations, people take actions that happen and
immediately Oh, you're canceling. Oh, you're this Oh, you're that. I
mean that and you you almost get the flip, right? Whereas Islam
says, look at the person's character, right and understand
that there are shades of grey and not everything is black and white.
Even bad people have good abs and even good people have
this will be my closing.
Since we're talking about rulers just talk about our our current,
our current Emir
Number 45
Donald J. Trump. Yeah.
This guy's great man.
So he just fired let's just sit there. He just fired John Bolton,
who's a war monger who's a neocon, who's one of the most despicable
human beings ever to be in public office. And if you don't know who
John Bolton is, look him up. He served in the bush as, as
Ambassador to the UN. This is a guy who's never seen a country you
didn't want to blow up murder and invade, right?
Trump may not have even heard of him before he took office. But
apparently he got some of that and he hired this guy. And then as
soon as he got to know him, he spent every other moment of his
present of his term serving on the Trump, clowning him, like they
would be in meetings. And somebody would mention someplace and he'd
go there one of the police, you want to nuke
and there's even even somebody you know, some insider, like somebody
said that the that the met with like, the ambassador of Ireland
was in the White House. And it's like, you know, Trump walks in and
they go, Mr. President, present to you, you know, Patrick O'Malley,
Ambassador from this very racist.
Patrick O'Malley, Ambassador from from Ireland and he shakes his
hand welcome pulls him in, you know, does that a Trump handshake
regretfully pulls you to dominate any classes over shoulder? Because
it is this guy's one of the countries you want to be?
And then he fired him.
I always, the thing is, is that, oh, it's like working at a small
company, and your boss has all the jokes, and he's kind of a jerk.
The thing is, that is the only negative is that he actually, it's
reality. But that he actually inflex impacts reality. But as a
comedy minds, that guy is such a major literal. Now the funny thing
is, his if you go to Donald J Trump, and you type in a wrong sub
code after the after the slash, you get the error page for you
know what his error pages, it says, this page does not exist.
And it's Hillary Clinton out of White House podium.
Guys a master.
So but you what you were saying is very important. And I'm telling
you when when you need to take action, opinions about a matter
can be great. There can be a lot of gray. However, when you need to
take action action is a yes or no, you got to either move or you
don't. Right. So so your personal policy will eventually become a
black and white. So you end up needing to make a personal policy,
right, or an organizational policy, right, or a fit policy.
That's what the dominant opinion is usually based upon that. Right.
So I would have to say that the best personal policy for an Imam,
at least for myself, let me um, let's say someone who has to work
as an email, right, is to make a big fat line. around certain
things don't even come in here. It just ruins it ruins everything. So
these engagements, it just, it will just ruin everything. Right?
So someone's got to do it, but not me. I'm not doing it. I'm not
touching it. Right. And I would hope that my circle, you know,
doesn't don't even touch it. Right? So it's just like, if
there's a problematic family down the road, and like in a
neighborhood, and they come out without their clothes, their dogs
doesn't have a leash, you know, like that we had a family that the
dog doesn't have a leash, German Shepherd, no leash. That's crazy,
right? So what is the safe thing to do to draw to take the bike
route down that road and just get scared and no, skip the road
completely. That road is off limits, the whole road is off
limits, right, the whole cold the sack is off. So as when you need
to take action, you do need to get black and white. It's just
important to couch that and say, as the mimetic used to say, I hate
this right? More I do like this, or I wish this is because there's
you can't make an airtight ruling. Right, but you do need an action.
So I would say for for, you know, our organization, that's going to
be your thing, you're not going to get engaged in any of these types
of things. That seems the safest position. I'm not saying that it's
the only thing. Oh, well, if someone's an oppressor, then
that's completely hot right now, but no government contracts, man,
we're not doing this. No government contracts, government
contracts, like why even going on the field to begin with? Like,
think about this, like, you're a fifth teacher, you're not that
good. Or you remind people of along, it's always the same. And
I'm filming this, like, it's always the same story. It's always
the same, I think, intention legitimate. It's, if I don't do
it, you're gonna grab some guy who doesn't care about the Muslims,
and he's going to join up. At least I can try to, you know, see,
Allah that's true. But you know, what, in it as a not as a moral
thing, but as a professional thing in action. What I really love is
someone who specifies their actions, right. And their goals.
No, you can't do it in that field. You can't do it. That's why I said
anybody who takes a position in a government agency or something
like that. You're not you might be an incredibly knowledgeable fapy
scholar, but you're
are not an Islamic scholar anymore. Now you're a politician.
You're a politician. Because you can't do both. You can't do both.
You can. So that's why I had a real quick question before we move
on to noses last point.
Tunisia. Did they ever rebel against anybody? Tunisia? Like, is
there even a history book On Tunisia?
Need sort of Saudi. Yeah. I mean, who the heck knows.
That Carthage right. They weren't under the Ottomans. Right. No,
they weren't. They were on what were they? They were. So North
Africa revolted, and then just stayed promoter against
the ambassadors. Wow, that was okay. So Morocco.
We know about Morocco. Yeah, those Tunisia. It was like it's the same
thing. It was the same thing. There was no boundary. Tunisia, it
was a mugger there. The reason I asked this is they did okay. They
succeeded. And they're in there. They were the first one and they
had Tofik. In that, yeah, everybody else had tried to
rebelled against the Ottomans. 100 years ago, it has had like,
nothing but problems and problems ever since. And it's not the fault
of the people on the ground. But that leadership, it's every single
cycle gets worse. Yeah, it is like you'd left the Ottomans. You sided
with the British and the French. Who bamboozled you. I used it as a
verb do today. Peak cycling? Yeah. Because cycling. Yeah, thanks.
Keep going. Yeah. You got six P code total, right? Totally. And
ever since then, every time you've overthrown when you guys whether
successful or not, it gets worse. Yeah. Right. And one of the shifts
that I really,
genuinely I really do listen to, and I would never have any, any
critiques like this. Have? He said years ago, 20 plus years ago? Why
don't we rebel against Why don't we try to overthrow all these, you
know, corrupt and evil leaders, we will get crushed, the people will
get crushed in you to be murdered, and the women will be raped and
driven into prostitution. And the children will be homeless and
won't be educated the whole thing. And even if we succeed, the very
next day, the intelligence agencies are raid us and put into
whoever they want. Right, which is exactly what happened in Egypt.
Yeah. So either you're gonna get crushed and destroyed. Or you
might succeed with Allah stuff. And then the intelligence agencies
come in, and they're gonna knock it out, and they're gonna put in
one of their puppets who's going to be more oppressive? Like, it's
not, it's not criticizing the people who are facing oppression,
and they don't know what to do, except lash out that may Allah,
protect them and forgive them if they make any mistakes. But on the
bigger scale, come on, man, you can't you can't be naive. It's not
You're not gonna win. I don't care how many hits whatever books you
and this is, this is a brilliant point. And I want to look back to
the comment I made about Huawei under the law. And what he had was
a practical political genius, right and on one or the other hand
had this to practical political, it's been our best said that we're
working on Omar were more pious, but more it was more.
And because I spent time in Syria, he saw how things were run. And
the point I was trying to make when I made that comment was if
okay, if you're doing the hijo mashallah, you're scholar, you're
amazing person, right? In character. You're an amazing
person. As soon as you enter the political arena, that's another
science, right? It's a it's the science of Machiavelli is
Machiavellian do's and don'ts and warming your way to achieve your
ends. And this is why a lot of the muscle movements that you see in
the world today, they've all failed, because not because they
weren't maybe on the hug, not because they were Salafi, or this
and that, but because they lacked that political acumen to
understand that, wait a minute, we don't actually own Egypt, right?
Americans Egypt, right? Or, you know, when you get into power, you
don't suddenly say, Oh, we're going to implement the Sharia and
then alienate all your allies. Right? This is what happened with
no, I won't mention that. But the point was sincere, honest, good
guy, religious and all that kind of stuff. Like the political
acumen to know tonight even know that you don't run the first year.
Exactly. Yeah. And this is and the thing is that we can't just say
oh, because this person lost this person. Allah smart Allah is
against. Now, this is a completely different science. You don't say
for example, you don't say a scholar who want to play soccer,
right? He's like, I'm going to try out for the soccer tournaments.
And then he gets just destroyed. Right? Let's he's playing soccer.
He has a heart attack. He dies. Now you're gonna say, oh, Allah
punished him because no man but those lands. Yeah, they rebelled
against the Ottomans, who are legitimate rulers and they haven't
had it. I'm not talking about Saudi. I mean, that's that's a
whole different story. No, I'm not talking about Sony either of
these. But I'm not talking about all the Arabs. Yeah, it's the
whole entire it's everybody except the Africans, right. Yeah. Iraq,
Saudi, all the fake countries, Egypt, Syria, all the countries
that the French and the British created real borders, and here's
your feet. And this is this is why what Alex said, we can't be naive
anymore, right? And we can't be naive. Like, when people go into
politics, when Muslims go into politics, you can't just think oh,
I'm just gonna resign.
to chronic versus to the oppressor and he's gonna come to my site.
I don't want to make fun of the man. But
that's why I'm saying that's what I'm saying. If you're, if you're a
professional in some any field, define your field. This is what I
do. And this is what I don't do. So now it's clear. I hate this
thing where you switching sides and going back and forth and I
don't know what you are anymore, right? Like when I I used to be a
fan of Steve Jobs, his work, right? Because I know exactly what
he does. And I know what he doesn't do, right? Like, Elon Musk
is a great thinker and everything and an innovator but what does he
does kind of hands in a million pots I don't like it
actually does anything they don't do anything. smokes marijuana
these days.
Google, right is a company, everything they make and
everything they produce is going to be easy to use and quality. But
there's no grab to them. What do they do their hands in his
everything right? Their hands in every pot. I actually, when he
looked at mache, I always go back to supernova. I know exactly what
he stands for. Right? He knows exactly what he's going to do. And
what he doesn't do. It's so crisp and clear, right? It's so much
better for everything right? So you know exactly what the result
is going to be. It has no hold. You know, this word in Arabic code
is you're dabbling. Why are you dabbling and stuff? That's not
your business? Right? If Are you a teacher of fifth? What exactly are
a teacher of FIP? Teacher of Hadith? Why? Allah means someone
who just advises people, you know, hit the speaker circuit say the
nice things to get people's hearts going. Right? Are you a leader of
an organization? Are you a leader of people? Like what are you
exactly? It's really important to make that clear in every
profession, like you Don't dabble in your in law. You have a certain
role. Right? Here, go and say, You know what? Tomorrow I'll do real
estate. Tomorrow. I'll do a I'll take a murderer for trial, New
Jersey state criminal trial practice. Rules, period. That's
right. So what we Yes, yet some people it this is a personal
thing. There's not a religious ruling ready, it's personal thing
that you got to know what you're going to do and what you're not
going to do. Right. And if you don't know those, and you leave it
open ended, you might end up stepping on a booby trap
somewhere, right and going somewhere and stepping on a mind
because you you're entering into a field without preparation without
thinking without, like media, for example. When the media comes, I
don't talk to them. When NBC and all these. I don't talk to them.
Right. Sometimes they dragged me to talk to them. I don't want to
talk to them. Right? Because there's certain ways that you
can't, like it's a whole nother thing. The media. Yeah, right.
Listen, I want to talk to them. That's right. The dude all yes,
this jack of all trades, you man. Yeah. It's horrible. He's a master
of none. Yeah, he's master. Like all of the shout out. Formula
Muslim Kaffir. guy that does comedy.
Who's that? Oh.
Also also a victim of cancellation cancellation. He had a show, it
was called Master of None, which is the opposite of jack of all
trades, Max. Yeah. And so he and so in the masjid, I make it very
clear. For example, this is this is what I'm doing? Don't anyone
come near it? Right? And I'm not gonna come near your business. I'm
not going to ask for the books. I'm not gonna ask for the donor
list. I'm not going to go into the kitchen. I'm not going to do the
inner community stuff. Right? Right. You know, like the
community stuff without the outreach stuff now, not the
outreach, like feed the poor that I do. But the relations community,
really, I don't need to do that stuff. I'm going to teach my
class, I'm going to make sure it's done in a way where you are always
respected. I'm never going to undermine the bosses at the same
time.
I'm not going to at the same time go into any other matter, right.
And it's works that way. Every company that succeeds it has a
clear definition. And individual che because well should have a
clear if you're activist,
be an activist like this podcast. Yeah, I'm, I crack jokes in
salary, just things. Yeah. You provide actual knowledge.
More in moderates and sets sets the schedule, and he just gave me
a look. So that means I'm taking off my head and also does the
research. Shut down? No. Nonsense. The staff now is gonna step by the
shuttle to know as the youngest
shout out to tamiment fame. Last thing because because Maureen, who
is actually the boss of the podcast, in a sense, because he's,
he wants us to open and close up is the EP, which is executive.
Okay, he's the EP, and I want to move to one more. One last thing,
this a lot of toxicity and moine was talking to me. He says he's so
disgusted and hates this stuff. And he's like, You know what, and
I agree, the argumentation is no good. And I said it before and
I'll say for the third time, I'm not happy sometimes that there's
some conflict with other Muslims. I'm not happy about that. I'll
never will be. I like I said, I don't mind having any conflict
with an explicit
proponent of something
Act are enemy of Muslims, I have no problem with that. I want them.
Some of the brothers who are like humbleness, right there humbly is
in a gray area of whether they call it somebody or Salafi, I
don't even know. Right? Whatever they want to call, they thought
that I'm talking about them when I said the dead, Allah puts a mark
on their face, right or a mark on them. And we said a couple
episodes back. The Shia, for example have flagellation it's
almost like a curse. Allah has put that upon them so that a regular
common man says, That's not Islam canceled, right?
Likewise, I said the majeste CYMA and the literalist Ultra
literalism results in an ugliness, right. It's true, alludes to go to
Judaism, ultra literalism, you look at it like every time you see
kids walking by you look at they're like looking staring. What
the heck? Why is he doing that himself? Curls? Humongous beard
sloppy, right? Hey, they say oh, you're gonna make fun of the
Orthodox. I'm telling you the reality of what people think it's
not the sinner by the way. You know what it is? Yeah, I mean, the
curls. The crows are the crows, right? Yes, it was concerning. But
the dress the dress code there. That's the Sunnah of some Russian.
Yeah, I mean, this is just like the way their their grand remedy
was Russian dude from like, 20 years ago. So that's why they look
like they're from Russian. 20 years ago. Got a fur hat on in New
Jersey. Come on home. What are you doing? What do you say this is not
what I'm saying. Like wearing? Like Cubby, have you guys that fur
hat? That's for Dagestan, bro. That's not for Florida.
Or Las Vegas. I think
it's time to wrap up. So what I'm saying is this didn't seem any bid
any innovation that's explicit innovation, Allah to Allah will
market and we'll put a mark on those people. So that the regular
common person knows this is wrong. And one of the things about the
literalism is it really results in an ugliness, okay. And it's just,
this is not something that we can deny. You just look around any
literalist person. Here, they have this feat. They've made themselves
ugly, let's say the creation was ugly. They made themselves like
that. In Judaism, in Islam in Christianity, literalism results
in that in anything, okay. I never I've never had trouble
differentiating a Muslim from Hindu.
Okay, Hindu never. Okay, like it has the same thing. Yeah. So
that's, that's this point. There's nothing controversial about that.
There's nothing offensive about that. So for some of the
and I've said on the same podcast,
if you're like a humbly or like I said, if he was not fighting,
okay, I'm not talking about you. And I wasn't right. And I'm not
now and I'm not having any beef with because we have a lot in
common and we're working for a lot of things. So for them to be
offended. They owe me an apology
so for you to have Susan with me like that stuff. Will after all
these years have good relations with you. Right. And I have great
go come to come to MBSE look what look I'll show conocer treats me
right. And he tells me straight. I'm not mad at you. I'm having
saved me. He tells me straight he loves me. All right. I mean now
it's it's probably a team.
Whoa, whoa.
Look at my adjacent listen. The humble these selfies. That's a
word of Oh, yeah. of the area.
I never
retain it to my like, Malikai team shot like, like Shafi. Yeah. Like
how would you how would you do like, from 10? So US Virgin? Yeah.
Malik. Eight. Yeah.
Just me. I humbly listen to him as his grandmother. I'm not
attributing it humbly. It is humbling. It's attributed to him.
I mean, Timmy has his own thing with his own group of followers.
He might be a humbly but his followers are. Yeah. So listen, I
never had
they may have imagined that. I mean, if I'm going off on
innovators anti Gnomeo night.
I'm going on off on innovators and someone then gets a sensitivity
situation. Are you an innovator, right? Why are you getting
sensitive? Right? Don't get sensitive. I'm not talking about
you. I made it very clear and explicit. A clear mood Justin.
Okay. And CO origin
carriage lights and whatever. That's what I was talking about.
Okay, so that's, that's a quote from Shakespeare the lady doth
protest too much methinks.
Which people flip
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