Shadee Elmasry – Niqab in the Maliki School w Shaykh Mahmud Shabeeb NBF 330
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Back in the sun is really like a cure for us.
Let's talk about our topic for today.
As I mentioned, we put out a clip the other day with from this live
stream, answering an a Facebook post, answering the question of
niqab being
mcru in the medical school, and then the reason for that Cara here
is being blue, or excess in religion, Allah asked for
everything to be covered except the face in hand. And yet someone
does more than that. However, we also noted that in the case of
fitna, if there is a fitna that this ruling can then their face
covering can become obligatory right even in that case, if
there's a fitna
this was clip was released Ramadan afterwards a very strange thing
occurred.
Because although the this saying of mine is very, very widespread,
I just transmitted what had been taught in 1998 by the student of
rabbits at hudge and Sita Muhammad atta weed in Morocco and Trent's
heard it again many, many times over 20 years, and heard it from
just this last year from shifting my VT VT so repeated what I was
told, which is a permissible way to answer questions when you're
repeating from a reliable scholar. But nonetheless, and I think for
other reasons, probably other than the issue itself, it ended up
becoming a group of guys.
Really, almost I would say, not just disagree, like ganging up on
me almost Okay, which was in the month of Ramadan and never had
time to answer. So, I thought about this and I said, Look, if
this you are saying something over this menace, you are saying
something, there has to be a reason behind it. So I began
and wrote a Arabic summary. I wrote that summary in Arabic
first.
And then I sent it to my teachers,
and other Chu, who are not my teachers, but who I became
connected to. And I got a peer reviewed paper, which can be
accessed
at Maliki fic, QA, slash Nick up.
And I'm gonna ask authentic, put it at the top as like a recent
post. So if you even if you go to Malka, qa.com, you could see it
there Malachy. FIP QA is a good website
in which you can get
answers to questions with the text with the direct source from the
method from reliable books, not any book claiming to be from the
medical method is a source.
But let me preface at the heart of the difference of opinion on this
issue. It's not really about niqab only.
Okay, it's about two other things.
The first one of them is that when we're reading the same text, okay,
when two parties reach opposing conclusions from the same text,
how is such an impasse handled? How do we how do we handle it?
You're, we're saying that we're reading the same text and coming
to different conclusions?
Well, naturally, and this is the whole purpose of following a
method.
A living method is that we, we kick it up to a higher court, we
go to the elders of the school of thought, right? The elders who
have know these texts better than us will tell us the meaning of the
text. We're not saying that the statement of the contemporary
scholar will judge
the method No, we're saying that he will judge the meaning of this
text that we're disagreeing upon. Get.
So if then both sides can produce peer reviewed papers or approvals
from shoot? Yes, your your understanding is sound.
And your understanding is that both sides can produce this, then
we could say we have a colon Musa, we or we have an accent, if we
have a difference of opinion, no problem.
But if only one side can produce that, and the other side cannot,
then we have to simply say
for the other understanding is wrong.
Simple as that. Or we could say it's weak. And that's what I did.
I took firstly, you made intention, make intention that I
just want to go know, what is the truth of the matter. And I'm not
going to go with a confirmation bias looking only for my side of
things. That's the first thing you have to do.
We went then, and looked at the different muscles and discussed it
on the phone with different view and in passing messages back and
forth over time to come to this conclusion, which again, you can
read at Maliki for qa.com/nicop and all that I have to prove. Is
that it this is colon matava. What I said is a
Hold on whatever it is a valve you can get federal but you can say
this open publicly and answer questions by this and live by this
what are the key terms here first of all, sit sit and watch is face
covering in any form out a debt, the word of the debt is the head
covering, which as we're gonna see, can be pulled over oneself to
cover their face.
That's it's dead, pulling it down, get
a book, ah, is what you see. Usually, in Afghanistan, it's a
it's a cloth, you cover your whole body with it. Right? You cover
your whole body with the book. So it's over the head, but it covers
the face and the torso. And then the niqab is that which covers
only the eyes, sorry, the nose and the mouth and it can be done in
two ways. I could
wrap something around like this, or I could pin
a separate piece of cloth to my hijab
and pin it down. So those are some terminologies that you need to
know. Got.
To begin, the original state of a woman's face and hands are that
they're uncovered. That's the original state be Nusselt Quran je
by the text of the Quran. What is the proof of this? In the Quran?
Women are no longer permitted to you oh prophet.
After this, nor as replacements, well, Jabba has no one even if you
are impressed with their beauty. Okay. How would the Prophet
salallahu alayhi wa sallam be impressed with their beauty? Okay,
if this is forbidden, how would they be? If their faces are
covered? Sorry? How would their faces be covered? How would he be
impressed with their beauty? If he can't see their faces? So the mud
moon here the implication is that he can see their faces otherwise
how would he be impressed with their beauty?
Secondly, and I'm quoting from Have you been taught how to this
is to learn is not from myself. It's from the great dilemma of
Tunisia Hill Habib Binta her calling me Nina a hobo man I'm
sorry. Okay, tell the believing women tell the believers to lower
their gaze, there would be no lowering of the gaze of faces were
covered.
There will be no what would be the point of lowering the gaze. If all
this hobby adds phase in Medina were covered.
The next foundational point and this is really one of the most
important ones
in the Maliki school as Sheikh Mahmoud should be who's going to
be our guest is going to explain right now. The Women's the rules
for coverage women's coverage. Outside of prayer in regular
everyday life
is listed in the rules of prayer. And haram. There's no separate
chapter on women's clothing and regular everyday life.
So the assumption is that there's nothing better than a hurrah, Hajj
and Salah and Hajj is an act of worship in which a woman can in
which a
something like a woman cannot avoid men.
How does such an act of worship that's from the St. Louis live
Have you been taught her? So therefore what Allah tells us
about haram, a woman's closing into Haram is her closing outside
of Adam.
Let's turn Chicagoans mic on
like camera will pin it when he speaks.
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if you can, if you can. Oh, no, not like that. But if you want to
put a second camera otherwise when he speaks right, then you could
turn it to him. So you know what we'll do? I'll go over all this.
Yeah, and then you can speak Okay, and then check them out. Moodle is
coming on Java.
Even if you want to speak other than that without the camera,
that's fine. No problem. So so the first point being that
hajj is an act of worship in which there is no doubt that a woman
will be seen by men and Allah to Allah forbids the covering of the
face in this guide. We're gonna see here that she owes a figure if
she covers her face, right. So based upon this ad, have you been
taught and is reflecting what the medical method is, is that a
woman's clothes outside of Salah is found in the chapters on a
haram and Salah in her everyday life. There's no chapter in the
books on a woman's clothing in everyday life. So should watch
what Sheikh Mahmoud pointed to and what have you been taught had
pointed to is that the rulings are one on the same. These are called
the show art show. They call it something is out of its play. It's
out of his play. So like gold for example, you want to know the
rulings of wearing gold and
Yeah, silver and
you know, gold plates and these kinds of things. Yeah, it's in the
section on the hotter, hotter, which is something that you
wouldn't expect exactly. Likewise, for example, Abizaid has a Kitab
Gemma, which is like things we need to know, but it's not
necessarily found in any chapter specifically doesn't belong in any
set chapter Khattab gem miscellaneous issues that are
important to know. Okay.
The next. So this is a foundational ruling and what
Sheikh Muhammad should be, what have you been taught, he says, is
that the face and hands in worship? And out of it are one and
the same? Same hokum. So if there's cut out here somewhere,
there's gotta hear somewhere else. It's gotta hear outside to that's
his point here. Yet, because the cutter he is going to be
established. All right. What about the Mothers of the Believers? This
is very important question. Because if the Mothers of the
Believers, it's something shouldn't we do it shouldn't at
least be men do for us? We have called the yard telling us that
this is specific for the Mothers of the Believers. Costly
overheads, and what we need is a specific rule for them has nothing
to do with us. Yeah, and he said, and they'd be less than Academy
and and he said, Oh, women have the wives of the Prophet, you're
not like other women, you have other rules, in addition to have
many other rules in addition to, to this that's specific to them,
such as they can never marry again. Good. Now seeing that this
is the case, now hence, covering the face. deviation from the rules
of Salah and haram to deviate from that is only appropriate if
there's a law.
So Setsuna was covering the face is only appropriate if there is an
external cause for this. The external cause is custom, being
accustomed to people or being or having a fitna, what is a custom?
A custom, for example, the Torah used to cover their face because
of the Sands. And it became something that is their custom.
And the scholars talked about the Warabi tune that that was their
customer, how did it start? It started off because there's so
much sand in the desert, that they cover their face.
And it became accustomed for them became their clothing, right?
Imagine if we had to work COVID masks for another three years,
probably wearing a mask would become a fashionable thing over
the time over time, and it'd become a custom or a Hilah. What
is the Ella here, l Ella is L Pfitzner. When she speculates says
Elijah we when she speculates lung nuts our limit, or is absolutely
certain that a man is looking at her with pleasure? And I would
assume that her or her Willie? Right?
Her she assumes that or her will he assumes that? Yes. So it's even
for men, you're not allowed to look at the face of a woman they
say, without the permission of her and her Subhanallah in her
wedding. Yeah, you can't even look at her without the permission of
the pleasure, of course. Yeah. So here, that's the fitna, if she
assumes,
or speculates, she thinks, Oh, that guy's looking at me in a
funny way. What do I do? Let me cover my face real quick. If the
guy goes away, I remove it, then we're going to show some important
because one of the things that one of my teachers made us do in
Egypt, is he gave us different books from the madhhab. And he
told us take out from the books like he would split the sections
on the students and take out what are the like default rulings? And
then take out the ASVAB shirt and Mallanna for each one. So you have
the hokum, tech leaf and hot commodity. So a ruling is either
going to be obligation or recommended or permissible, or
macro disliked or haram, that's going to be the default ruling.
Yeah. And then there are the camo Diabetologia. He says, Oh, well,
what are you the whole map, meaning that it's placed for them
both. In other words, that, like rulings are not either wedge up or
short, it's that you have a ruling that's obligatory, and for it to
be an obligation, there are a causes for it to be an obligation
conditions for to be an obligation, and hindrances to or
being an obligation. And if any of those three changes, it changes
the ruling from one section to another. So you could have
somewhere in the books when you're reading a hash or shot or
something like this, you can take the impression that the default
ruling here is macro, for example, but then you go somewhere else,
and you're not actually it's permissible. But it was macro to a
reason and so you have to read very carefully. And when they give
reasons for things, a lot of times that's an indication that this is
what's going on. And so you have to like read very carefully, and
really map that out. So this is what a new point did this while we
were discussing this in Ramadan, that is model face covering,
right, it's model you don't do it, and it's discouraged for you to do
it. Okay, according to what we're gonna cite here, unless there is a
reason so what's the reason she knows that a man is looking at her
for fitna, okay, or she even assumes it now. Now we ask the
question when when the Ella appears, what is the ruling? Are
we saying she must, she may or it is recommended for her to do so?
And the answer is that the motmot opinion
is actually must the Martoma dipinti if you know that she's
looking at guys looking at you and glaring at you, the dominant
opinion is that she must do this. And who says this saw we saw we
said it is obligatory on her to cover her face if she thinks there
is fitna now we have the opposite from kasi Abdullah hub, it is not
necessarily on her and his on the mantle or his case, because Allah
commanded him to lower the gaze of the Quran, not her to cover her
face. It causes a yard said it is not obligatory, but it is
recommended and Sunnah. And here, we're gonna have an empty left
because some of the websites that you see out there, they say this
is the ruling with Lachlan, he says no, where did call me I'd say
this. This is where like his use mentioned, context is important.
Where did he say this? He said this on the discussion of lowering
the gaze.
The whole chapter that he's discussing on is the chapter on
wrote yet.
Right you come upon a woman suddenly, I asked El Toro Nabi
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and Ro e et al al, Al Fajr. So I
suddenly see a woman curl up with the Bassac. The Prophet said,
lower your gaze. So what's the context of Claudia's talking here?
context of being looked at
the context of being looked at not McLaughlin, he's not talking about
at our office, or academically best fistula. He's not talking
about it. He's talking about covering your face. If someone's
looking at you, that's the whole chapter that he says this in, it
commanded him. I love his commentary on so Hey, Muslim.
Good. Now you have some
fun, see that? Luke has made a distinction showing you that
although we have a dominant opinion, we have a glut on this
big time. We have sayings on this.
Amazon rooks made a distinction. He said, if she's extremely
beautiful she covers if she's regular, like anybody else, then
it's men. doob. If there's if the AI is there, okay. All of this
regards covering due to fitna not covering? Absolutely, that means a
woman is going to get the mail in her cul de sac. Is it something
that's recommended for her to cover face? No, of course not be
able to access, okay?
Also disregards a Muslim looking at her. Remember, hedge Muslims?
Are there masajid Muslims are there? What about a non Muslim?
The non Muslim does not believe in lowering the gaze. There's nothing
for a non Muslim to say that he has to lower the gaze he doesn't
even believe in, in his worldview in his law. Okay. As a result of
that I leash said all of the body of a Muslim woman is our must be
covered at all times in front of a non Muslim. And that's the thing
of at least you came later. You don't find this in the very early
texts. Right? You don't find it in the early texts, this stuff seated
between the Muslim woodcliff. Right. And we can ask Sheikh
Mahmoud about this. All right now wrapping up, because we're going
to bring Sheikh Mahmoud on in in one minute. Who?
How does a woman cover? As for covering the face?
How does she do it? Or actually, first we're going to cover? What
about covering the face without a reason. We talked about the reason
now what if there's no reason? The reason to do so is excess in
religion. And it is extreme as a Hulu. I translate Hulu as x as
going to an extreme. Okay. And maybe you shouldn't say the word
extremism because it's associated with terrorism, right? We can say
going to an extreme right excess and as mcru
Khalil says the woman who prays in niqab does not repeat her prayer,
because she did what she was asked to. And more. And she did more,
that she did something discouraged. Right. Except that
she did some discouraged, since this is a Hulu or extreme. Now
what is it? That was discouraged? Was it the way she wrapped her
face?
Yes or No? Or is it the full coverage of the face? She in fact
did to discourage things. The first one is covering without a
reason. That's what's a blue. Because if I were to cover my face
in a certain way, there's nothing extreme about the manner in which
I do it. There's no Hulu about that. There's also no Hulu, if I
pray with my hands, or my face wearing a coverage. Why is this?
Because you may not know why is this because we're commanded to
prostrate on seven limbs, the hands and the face. You can't wear
something that covers your hands and face. It's my crew. So if I
was to pray on my sleeve like this, right, say I pull my sleeve
out like this, and I make sujood on my sleeve. That's my crew.
Right? Or if I have my scarf like this, and I put it on the ground
and I cover my face and I make some dirt on it. I'm wearing
something that would block my face and hands from touching the
ground. So if she wears a garment like this right
And praise with it. She's done a crew. For that reason. That's my
crew. Right? The first chakra. The second chakra is the zyada 15.
This one clearly tells you zero, the will Hulu. There's nothing
Ziad Anika Lu in the back wearing a barrier, right in blocking
insula that blocks my hand from touching the ground. There's
nothing Hulu about that. For example, if a guy's praying, and
happened to be wearing a glove for no reason, like it's not cold, it
was cold, and it's not cold anymore. And now he's in the
masjid. But he doesn't want to take his gloves off, and he prays
with his gloves. That's all. That's my crew. Because you now
aren't touching the ground. But it's not Hulu, right? There's no
Hulu in that.
So what did he mean when he says Hulu? It's the excess of covering?
Right? She's She she did what she was told meaning. She prayed with
her head covered, but she did more covered her face, which was
unnecessary. What's the other evidence that we can say that this
is what he meant is that if you keep reading, he starts saying,
Well, what happens if she prays with her head uncovered? So the
man manner of the rap is not what's being discussed here. It's
the the amount of coverage okay. This is important to say.
As for the manner in which How does a woman cover her face the
manner in which he covers her face? We mentioned this and we
take the example from the mother believers Ayesha, when she went to
Hajj and the obligation to cover her face was no longer there. Then
what is the manner in which she did it? She states we are with the
Prophet in Iran make at hedge. If writers came near us, other people
came near us, we would pull down our head cover, all right, to not
be seen by them. Right. When they moved on, we lifted up again. So
what is she proved by that? She proved that the face covering is
only due to a reason. Okay, if it was man, dude, why not keep it?
Right? Why not keep it? Now we have to talk about some other
things to
really, Let's hypothetically say there is a reason. If there is a
reason to cover your face. There's a man staring at you in the
masjid. There's a man staring at you in Hajj. Then what is the
manner in which you cover your face? You cover your face, let's
say start with Salah again by his dead by covering something from
the top. Why? Because if you prostrate on that, it's not
considered prostrating on a face covering. It's considered the head
covering. And the books have said we're allowed to pray it makes the
jute on headcovering. Right.
But you would not cover it like this because that's a face
covering. So that you can actually touch see, oh, Ali is asking this
question. What about a prayer mat? This is why I said wearing
coverage a barrier wearing a barrier. It's Mikuru discouraged
to wear a barrier.
When we pray that covers our palms and our face. It could be separate
let's say it's a bit muddy. I put a straw mat out no problem. Let's
say I'm not questioned the nature of the floor I put a mat out
that's no problem. I'm not wearing it
and got wearing a face cover or hand palm coverage is mcru.
But the Estelle the reader that I pulled down is not face covering
its head covering and is permissible for me to prostrate on
the tip of the poofy or the tip of the turban. So the Estelle is
considered a headdress not a face covering. What about hedge in
hedge what are the rules of hedge and hedge a woman is the Haram of
a woman has her hands on her face. She's not allowed to cover her
face.
She's not allowed to wear a face garment or wrap anything around
her face or her hands. Kelly had mentioned this specifically if a
man is staring at her in a haram for example, what how does she
cover again by his dead by pulling something down? Why? Because
that's a head covering. And he specifically says if she was to
wrap something where it niqab like this, it wouldn't stay unless she
ties it in the back. And that would be how to build wrapping
something around a limb.
Okay.
Outside of these situations, if she's walking and not in Iran, not
in salon, she's just walking in the street and a guy says she's on
the subway. How does she cover her? Her face? Is it my crew for
her to wear niqab? No. Nothing is my crew outside of the Salah. And
haram if there is a healer you're on the subway and the guy staring
at you. You can cover your face in any way shape and form you want.
Right niqab wrapping it up you can up to down like a bandana all none
of the cadet there's no color here in that. So the color here the
discouragement of niqab in Salah is being a barrier in Iran is
wrapping something around the limb the
your limb which is your head.
So those are the main muscles
of the of the issue. Now let's go to the
two who affirmed or saying here, Sheikh Mahmoud Shebib says I
affirmed that this is the method and that merely pulling the
garment over the face is not the reason for the discouragement.
Okay, the reason for the discouragement of face covering
without a reason is accessing an extreme in religion.
Dr. Mohammed Abdullah
the relied upon position amongst them thematic is is
discouragement. Absolutely, and the reason for this is going to
extremes in religion. He says at the very least he the one who says
my crew has not departed from a well considered statement in the
method.
Number three shift Ibrahim
Abba is Shan PT sometimes you see AB and see some see Abba different
spellings. He's a professor at the Shediac College of a number via
in Mauritania and he confirms the relied upon position for Matic
he's regarding face covering without a reason is discouragement
because it is going to extremes in religion. But one thing to point
out this is after you sent them this entire thing by the way. I
sent them this article. Yeah, I wrote the article in Arabic first,
the first thing I wrote the article in Arabic, I just
translated after after that. Next one. What obits ASA of Medina, he
says I've read the summary written by Shadi and muscley and found it
to be an accurate and detailed summary of soundly transmitted and
explicit texts. So we now have how many countries two countries so
for now we go to the third country, Sheikh Mohammed Mohini,
who was actually became annoyed this is even a subject he thinks
it's an absurd even to discuss this. But nonetheless, he sent me
a nice voice message. Okay, and it was very considerate and and
content to answer back. And he gives a total different
perspective, in addition to all this, with has confirmation from
him about that, he says, in the Hadith, that Allah Tala has
remained silent about matters out of mercy for you. So do not pry
into them.
He says, this matter is not one of those things. Rather Allah has
spoken about it. In other words, the city has spoken about Allah
and His Messenger spoke about it. He says his clear guide is in the
hadith of ESMA. If the beloved mother atma healed, if a woman
reaches the age of maturity, good law, US law, it is not good.
For anything of her body to be seen, except for this in this.
What he's going to point to is that if the prophet said, It's not
good for her not to be seen, therefore, there is a reason for
her face to be seen, is a total different evidence that he added
to this. And he said that the face and the hands are not out or they
may show them, there's no disagreement on that. He confirms
that this is how the women of the of the companions used to live in
the majority, right, if not the vast majority. Okay, they didn't
cover their face for men. He says it is to Koloff and to not door
for a woman to cover her face for no reason is to caliph and tonnato
and mcru and myth, Moon, discouraged by Sharia and
blameworthy. Why is that? He says, because it is a cause of
suspicion. And doubt. Anyone who wants to commit a crime covers
their face, whether they're a man or woman, they conceal their
identity by covering their face. identities are known by the face.
If they cover one will not know who's a male who's a female, a
male can then go in the women's section. If every whole society is
wearing up, any men can go in the women's section, right? It's a
harm to women. Any person can dress in niqab and still, no one
will know who's who. Right.
There'll be even if there are witnesses, no one will know what
your so this is Reba. Even Batal has a quote that he says anything
that is a Reba becomes mcru
so he says for these these are reasons because it causes doubt.
It's suspicion it's concealment of who was a man who was a woman,
hence it is blameworthy, rationally and texturally okay.
We're gonna move to our guests before we move to our guests. One
last comment I have to make about some people who I did not expect
to have
nasty comments that got person I said there are two issues about
this. It's not just nicked up. The first issue is if there's if DLF
What is the method of knowing what the text means? Isn't it to kick
it up to a higher authority? The elders you who know better than us
what the text mean? Second issue is this thing sir. Some other
reason became personal.
And people really started almost like ganging up on me.
And I'm like, Okay, this is happening. I'd have no fun. I'm
not gonna back down, but I didn't have time. amongst them who I
didn't expect was a translated Facebook post, which I saw from
Sheikh Hasina Kittatinny.
You know what he
said
I don't care if he disagrees that's not the issue. He said
nasty people. I don't have the Arabic I only saw the English
nasty people. It's not people it's one person which is me.
Nasty people
have clipped that chicken McGee the chick ran out of context. So
what is the assumption there the assumption there is intentionality
to lie about the shoe and to lie about the method. So I have a
reseller Illa chef has an attorney and let the pillar and the hookah
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that someone can clip and center. And just to make the point clear
on because this was other comments on taking chef and Maria out of
context. You were there sitting next to him. And I didn't the
first time I heard this was I was sitting in front of him.
And this issue came up and he answered the same answer that you
gave. So then I came back the next day because we had like 10 days of
many hours of q&a session. So I came back the next day with
hashtag Sookie in front of me. And we went through a lot of these
different things. And he was still adamant on the same on the same
thing with quoting everything from the Sookie that we have mentioned.
So it's not taken out of context at all. Yeah, you could disagree
with him. That's fine now, right? Even me when I heard from checking
Milady, I wasn't necessarily convinced because I had other
shields as well. So but the matter is, as you said, how you deal with
these fat you don't know go into intentions and distorting the
madhhab. And this and especially when look, this is a lot of
Messiah who are saying this, when it's a lot of machines who are
saying this not just like any machine left and right, these are
senior machines. And in some of these cases, at the very least, it
should make you take a step back and see that there is something
going on. Maybe it's maybe there is some misunderstanding that
happened somewhere in the text. But this wouldn't be if I'm saying
if that's the case, yeah, this would not be the first time that
this happens. No, right. And this is this is like the entire history
of
this happens. And then later Allah might come in, they fix it and so
on. And so you acknowledge that, okay, if it's a one, then show how
it came up and show your answer. And hello as we move on. But to go
and add all of these extra personal things is not becoming
you see this is not like other issues that people
use, the Maliki might have to take out of context, like on the dog
right icon that on the dog people they take that automatically say
that the dog is stole her, they understand from that, that you can
own a dog in the house. No one ever said this. So that if
somebody says that they should be responded to relatively harshly,
you know, to an extent, you know, there should be, but when it's
harder for Michelle, who hold this opinion, you might want to calm
down a little bit. Yeah. And
it means number one to Sleeman jugglin. Hypothetically,
I was totally wrong. Right. Why not assume that it was an
accident? That was a mistake. Does the person have a track record of
being a modernist liberal?
Right.
Secondly, on top of that, I was wrong. On top of all that, yes, it
hasn't kicked me out of the gate. A man wanna shift her own side
acting Maeve. The sheer
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now, second brother, who I didn't expect to comment from him which
suede web suede web is a beautiful hearted guy. I really like him.
Right. But the one thing and I have no problem with
what he said in the first paragraph, the bottom paragraph
was a little bit of a zinger. Che so hey, don't get emotionally
charged up. When other brothers charge you get charged because
this thing was started with an emotionally charged response that
got everyone angry. Okay.
Now, first thing to say yes. Oh, hey. So only a few months ago, you
were in a very worst position. And everyone was ganging up on you.
Right or wrong for the * interview and that sister that I
don't know what was that you supported her whatever. And then
Daniel came and did what he did with you. That was not nice,
right? So you know, full well what if what it's like to be ganged up
on.
So that's number one that used to realize, hold on, maybe we
shouldn't be adding these little zingers. Okay to speak. Because at
the bottom, you said listen, if you're going to quote Shama Ryan,
talk to us first or talk to his Western students first time.
Second thing, why are you assuming I did?
In fact, I'm about to bring on the air. Someone far senior to any
Western students? Yeah, I'm gonna bring us ship Mahmoud on there.
That's why I didn't consult with any of the Western students.
And again, from the start from you here and get from Musharraf in
Arabic, Why, thank you, why consult Western students? Thank
you. Thank you.
Thank you. And ultimately, the pilaf was wet shake up the school.
Who says that the niqab only the the nature of the rap is why it's
my crew. That's number one. Number two, he says it's men, Dube
McLaughlin outside of Silla.
The only quote they have is to call the shots for that and allow
them what other quotes he had for that, okay.
But that part of the wrapping, alright, shake up. So cool. I've
asked many people and I highly recommend you just produce your
opinion here. Maybe we'll all learn something peer reviewed, I
got five I wanted to get seven. I wanted to get to Michelle from
Morocco. Well, the first one was chicken idrisi, the faster you got
busy
in answering a second one is that this paper is being was sent to
the Moroccan Federal Board, like the National Federal Board for
them to stamp it or not, or to tell me what they think of it.
We're seeking the truth, we're not seeking to for confirmation bias
and then get as many people as you can to support you know, so you
may have a point j, but up to now all the shields including Sheikh
Abdul Hamid and MOBOTIX and it has nothing to do with the nature of
the camera here being the rep. All of them said this that we
consulted so
bring your evidence right or bring a peer reviewed paper. So some
Messiah
have something similar to what Chicago Chicago said. And then
some of them to his post of the wrapping. Other than that one is a
little bit of
everything else. I mean, that's something I've been taught before.
Then you have which part the nuts
Yeah. Watch on Saturday. It was recommended mutlak. Yeah, or watch
and these kinds of things were doubly I love or McLaughlin
for an Adela. However, Pharrell Yeah, yeah. He's saying without
the, it's Monday, and Wednesday, let's watch it. And then we have
Shahab Hamid, he said that it's not
it's never macro. But there is no distinction between niqab and
sutra watch. Yeah. And this is based on reading the text. And
then you have other Messiah who fully agreed, and then others who
agreed, but had a different take lecture from a lady. Yeah, and all
of them. We are not all of them. But some of them that we
mentioned. We had two discussions and we brought the other side and
we went back and forth, to try to get down to the bottom of this.
You look sick.
Dr. Muhammad Abdullah when you quoted him, you know, I sent him
all of the other side and everything and we went through
some of the some of the texts likewise, Othman, he went with
some of the students have shifted materials while going through some
more details in the text. So it's not like we're here. Just like,
oh, how many people can we get on our team? Exactly? No, we're going
we're going through the lines, texts line by line and
understanding Where's this coming from? And is this something that
you can transmit? Is there what work holds Ned McLaughlin, even
without
isla? Not aware of one not aware of one that's pointing? That's a
very important point. Ned's men
doob without Allah where jib with Allah we say yes that we agree
with that amongst other opinions Ned's without Allah We found
nothing by the way as booklet here says if you don't find anything
that's not a proof but you need to find something to make it
to claim your point and number three that the nature of the wrap
there's nobody mentioned that at all good that's not much
So again, just because we haven't found something doesn't mean it's
not there. The ball is now in the opposite sides court to produce
something similar to this man earn a chef Mahmoud shabby
Salam aleikum wa rahmatullah wa barakato.
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Hundreds comb were caught satin Erica kombucha armadura yin
yang Sheikh Muhammad Shibas Hi, Darla masari Where Sheikh Mahmoud
shall be more assists we moodier. Ma had unmatched luck, so I'm
going to translate check my movie business sad scholar. He is the
head and the rector of Ma had alleged the merged Institute in
Cairo. Teachers in Cairo recently published a 1000 page book on
Maliki FIP and is a student of Shiva Matata yeah nabbed up up to
Ian and Aloka to come Misha karma taharah
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Sheikh Mahmoud should be first metric I thought I knew in high
school. And he was studying in the US her high school system. And
there he was studying FIP but the it was academic
clearly and some of the teachers weren't even strong. And he ended
up studying in the masjid as many people do just to find a quiet
place. So he studied in the masjid of sciama delta d and in Cairo
and far away he saw shift atma taharah Yan, maybe Omar, you could
bring up his picture please.
Teaching a Holika with only two people there. Which was strange
because Tahara Yun would have had many people there, but he had
received some ishara that he should go and teach medically fit
at the masjid obviously to him to do. But Chicama Tahara Yun was of
the type that he never announced himself. He would never
promote himself. And he would just go and give his class and he
wouldn't care if it was one or two or three people or more. So he
went and he was the third person to sit on on that halacha which
would become a massive Holika in medically flip through over the
years. So that's a summary of what Mahmood just said about his first
meeting with Shikara yen. So I thought he had
some arranged Meshech
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there was times where either one of them had to travel or work and
then he after those 10 years it was on and off due to no
graduating and teaching and the shift traveled and each out but
for 10 years as a student Sheikh Mahmoud studied FIP and didn't
miss a single dose of Sheikh Matata yet alright, we now turn to
the q&a. I'm going to do a q&a with the sheikh on on the subject
matter nabbed up Mr. Allen oh well.
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the mother couldn't remember American hadn't been there notice
that Americans will hide No.
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Yeah, you know a mechanic.
Okay, so the answer is Chuck says is a couple things. Number one is
that what were the Arabs? What was the Arab dress before Islam is
that they would in, by and large in the majority case or the
default case cover their hair with a scarf and throw the scarf in the
back.
The Quran was revealed and said the Kumar has to cover your job
while you're dreaming of becoming a Hinata jubi And so therefore,
the Quran affirmed the face covering sorry, affirmed the head
covering and commanded corrected the chest covering and left the
face as it was. Number two, he says what is the one of the proofs
from the Sunnah, that this hobby yet lived like this without
covering the faces is that you find many, many stories in which
somebody in a male says so and so came mentioning a female, female
such and such went. Okay, so how would he know who she was okay if
her face wasn't covered.
Another example example is a narration of a woman who came with
her face covered and the female companions showed is to cover up
for this they showed that this was odd. They thought this was odd.
They said you go to the Prophet with your face covering. She said
I just lost my son. At least I shouldn't lose my hair either. She
had just lost her some male relatives. She said at least I
don't lose my modesty either. My high up so he says that when a
woman was shy she would cover her face or if there was a reason she
would give her face but it was not the default.
We go to the SQL Thani The next question is going to be on is the
women's clothing outside of Salon learned through the chapters of
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clothing in Salah and haram and in front of non Mahara men. Muhammad
was a man she could not marry like her brother or her father. And the
word for that is edge Nibi the edge Nibi man a man that she must
cover in front of is that sulla a haram and regular everyday life is
one in the same but he said it is the thought
A hidden method is what is apparent in the meth lab. There is
no specific text for this, but it is very apparent that that's what
it means. However, it's not impossible that someone would
research in the meth lab and have a different opinion.
He also said that regard this is a very minor difference. And that is
the left on this should not ever lead to anything beyond a cordial
scholarly discussion or debate. And that he prefers that these
discussions be held in a in a secluded format forum, such that
people don't take different ideas that the people are speaking on
Dawa and 15 Shinya are having a zap, which is an argument or and
then they end up taking sides and then the hearts start to separate.
So that's the summary of anything to add any so far.
Any questions to do you want to
okay
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there is a fitna and he said it is relative this via
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have even been
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he they said he hadn't said. So there were
certainly some that Lisa Jr. were relaxed. About Bustamante so that
let's talk about jemena No,
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so chef responded that it's about fitna and it's about who was
perceived as attractive and as a result he said you could go to
countries where people are dark they are not attracted to anyone
light countries where people are light are not attracted to anyone
dark.
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the attractiveness of the woman but it's also the gaze of the man.
And he said a woman would know that a man is looking at her in
such a way and that he continues to gaze upon her and looking at
her in a way that she feels uncomfortable with. But he said in
the main a man would may see a woman and not look at her for for
the intent of pleasure. So both of them are the reasons for the
fitness of what Fitna means covering the face for fitna. It is
the great attractiveness of a woman the point that she's gonna
cause fitna or it's the man himself, who's looking at her in
an inappropriate way.
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No, she responded and I asked.
I said that many websites, many there are some websites run by
some set of scholars and I'm saying that if you not to put them
down just to describe their men, which is that are very popular in
the world in the Arabic world that states that niqab in the medical
school is men Dube. Absolutely. meaning at all times not insular
outside fitna. No fitness.
And then mainly fitness or no fitness. So the site called the
Ayyad, who said it is so new for her. Okay, so as to share is this
was called the IUL talking about if there's fitna or if or all the
time. And the chef said, even if he said all the time, we don't
take the method from Claudia yet. He's not a source at the primary
source in the method because he's from them, which led him which I
could ignore the later scholars and the method was divided into
two types, two types of scholars the beginning in the late early
ones and the later ones, the early ones are from emetic to
Hypnobabies Eva cleddau, one
and then the latter ones are from Ivanova zeva cladonia Onwards and
people sort of different Abizaid himself is he from them with taka
Demeter them was actually he's like the Buddism.
And so therefore, if someone from the woods Ecoline said something
that's not doesn't make these final say are the source and that
when you compare that if it contradicts something from what is
earlier or even if it doesn't, it's not there's not a source
that's summary of what the Sheikh said What else did I miss, may
have missed something from that, for the most part, that is the
answer should
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millennia and ASLEF above sorry for how they do Louella Anna, how
you feel do under cardiac care in a suit in Del fitna? How the
Tallinn Salim the if I'm suffering
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Steve said no I so I asked the question about what I had written
in the paper. As I said it would appear to be the culture Ayyad is
speaking about in fitna case of fitna that it's Manduca in fitna.
And does the sheikh agree to that that conclusion or does he find
that to be weak or to be wrong outright? He said no, what really
appears to be is called the odd speaking. Absolutely. That nudge
is not men do absolutely. Yeah.
Okay, next question.
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were Juba a man dooba a MOBA forgot Amala Raju live at the
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to travel to South Raja nuts
because you couldn't be a U shaped laser Thea man, you
know. So I asked the question, Let's hypothetically say there's a
fitna meaning a guy staring at her.
Is her face covering wajib or recommended? Is it obligatory,
recommended or merely permitted? Or is that that he has to cover
his lower his gaze, he set his wedge
and that not only nicop Because niqab will cover the face, but
will leave the eye and sometimes the eyes themselves are a place of
beauty. And we actually saw this in COVID, when women started to
actually feel terrible because they were getting
asked out or talk to or hit up or looked at when they were wearing
their mask. When they took off their masks. No one starts
chatting them up anymore, right? So they would feel offended. But
that actually proves the point that it's really a common sensical
observation. Sometimes there's just beauty in the eyes alone. So
he's saying the Sheikh is saying niqab which is covering the nose
and the mouth only is not sufficient. If there's fitna the
whole face has to be covered and he said it could be covered by
anything by her garment, or by a book or by a piece of paper like
this as I showed, and I asked about or buy anything and then as
soon as the man leaves, she doesn't have to do that anymore.
Okay. So I have a soil. Allah the badDo have
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culinary
chef said and the question was that what happens? What is the
ruling on woman she wants to cover her face without a fitna? Like
she's a regular looking woman. She there's no one around to look at
her in this manner, or the men who are around her Don't look at her
in this medicine is no fitna at all. But she wants to cover race.
What's the ruling on this? The shift said that at that point, if
there's absolutely no at all, it's my crew to do so. And the reason
for this cut out here is that it's as if you're saying the Sharia of
Allah is incomplete. Sharia told me to cover my face on my tour and
the rest of my body except my hands on my face. Sorry, my head,
except my hands on my face. It says if you're saying the share of
Allah is incomplete, you also limited this said, we're talking
about the medical school.
If you want to exit the Maliki school,
if you want to say and I rather prefer the opinion that says it's
obligatory or it's recommended, no sudden, there's nothing no one's
stopping anyone.
And nor would it be considered something like, blameworthy if
someone went and relied upon another metal hub in a matter that
they feel comfortable in. Right. So he made that distinction.
Okay, now
I think we've covered everything pretty much right we don't need to
cover the barrier it hurts. Or the in this summarizes
Do you have any other comments or questions for the show? No, I
think that's all I think we got we got everything checked no Younkin
and Nicole and Kalasa and hope will asleep Lee Sutton watch Alka
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been elanda The hospital
Hello, hello. Hello sir. Hey,
a chaperone just summarized Actually, why don't you summarize?
Yeah, so basically that the default ruling is that it's macro,
as you said before, and then the ruling will change based on the
adults that are there. So it can become either recommended or
wajib. So then the default ruling macro and then it can change. So
that's there you go. That's basic summary is that it is mcru due to
accessing religion, but if there is a external force, that which is
fitna or custom, or great attractiveness and beauty,
abnormal attractiveness and beauty, then we have our ala we
have a reason now then it could become Whadjuk man dupe, or
permitted and the most dominant opinion is would you swell?
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which could?
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no.
So the question was that the final question asked is all this we're
talking about the Muslim who, who was commanded to and believes and
has a concept of lowering his gates, all this talk?
Now we ask the question, What about the non believer who doesn't
believe in lowering the gates? Nor does he have any sacred beliefs
that tell him to do this? The answer to it is that the machine
in the medical school is her whole face should be covered in front of
such a man who doesn't have any beliefs about lowering the gaze.
And he said that this divides into two categories. The first category
is this the country and the land in which the Muslim are in charge,
and are in power and are in strength.
And that caffeic cannot harm her. Then she then he shouldn't see any
Muslim women.
In contrast to a situation in Orlando, or a country in which the
non Muslims, the Muslims are not in charge, and her wearing of
niqab or face covering completely, who would actually be a cause of
her being further harmed? I got that. Did I get that? Right? Yeah.
And then did the sheikh give a ruling on that? Or did he say
yeah, he said in this case, then to avoid that harm. She got me
required to cover and if she wants to hold the,
the hardship that comes with that, then she may do that. Okay. So in
that case, she is, I guess, in the MaHA era. She has the choice in a
state where the non Muslims aren't charged and Muslims are not in
charge. And a woman can be called names she could be abused in some
way shape and form mistreated because of the niqab because of
the censored wedge covering of the face. She has the choice now she
can either bear there that hardship or she can avoid that
hardship.
And so she'd be avoiding it'd be basically the two less lesser of
two evils. Alright, so it then quality assurance and an fi
Hallett and
to call them all day aka min kibble dolla, LKF era for him to
hire me to hammer out a deal with him and a letter to turn up. So
shake I just wanted to confirm with the shape that she had the
concept that she has the choice
to cover or not to cover, because if she's going to be abused, we
see in France, they're going after them. If you walk down the street
here, you may be called names, right? And there's a great
hardship and there are many people who complain of
psychological harms, because of the years of also sometimes odd
for the kids, you walk into you go and and Ali's going to play soccer
on Saturday morning in the spring and his mom is wearing niqab.
There's a hardship there people look at her strange and they may
say say comments and today's is going to be far worse than before
with the right wingers going crazy. Right? I would say you've
probably if you're hanging around woke people you can get away with
it. Because they're so weird. And they love the weird right? But if
you're around right wing people, or just maybe in the middle you
may have problems so in summary, she's more higher sure going to
accuracy Elena Well, Masha hidden
who were to bring in misleading
and
MBSE era for what is it the way
the cantilever fell bra in the parking is where
we use the men clean pattern and shine more Yanni.
I mean, how can it be here? When, you know when we're done, she
says,
been a nurse
in Lafayette, who were and
an illness, he technically didn't know that long and that he will be
you I was proud to be so excited to be at NASA. I'm a consultant.
Because I know my
basic NASA Filipina, we're working we're careful to listen to
an African
man
and mortar Amin and Larina. Like the last time let you know that
you will you want to
amend the
law?
No.
The sheriff said I said check what is the final piece of advice. And
the sheriff replied that the final piece of advice is brotherhood
amongst the Muslims, particularly those who are seeking the truth
and avoidance that of allowing differences in Fudo Furuya are the
like the branch issues are debatable issues or matters that
are discussed amongst the scholars to be a wedge between our hearts
and our brotherhood amongst ourselves and that these things
should be discussed if there is a great difference of opinion
privately amongst the people.
If there is an equity left like that, until we get to the correct
answer or consensus shift also said that it's important to
recognize and separate between those who are out to change the
law of Allah and those who are out to respect the law of Allah, as
for the latter ones who are respecting it and, and honoring it
and practicing it, then with them, they're deserve a dip and they and
the phrase or the sword of ignorance of the accusation of
ignorance shouldn't be used on anybody. And that truly beneficial
knowledge is not the amount of reading that one does. Rather,
it's the ability to practice their knowledge and to act upon it and
to benefit others by it. So that is beneficial knowledge not so
reading so many books, or having so many quotes, memorizing so many
narrations. So that is the beneficial knowledge that which is
acted upon and benefited yourself and others. And as for those who
have a record and they seek to alter the Sharia, in other words,
progressives and moderates and liberals, he said there is no edit
with them. There's no brotherhood with them, because they're
altering what is sacred. So he said we when someone makes a
difference has a saying or says something that we feel is wrong.
We have to ask what kind of person is he? Is he someone who always
trying to change the shit? Yeah. Or is he trying to reach the
truth, but he made a mistake. And if he made a mistake, we do that
in private and we don't insult him and try to attack him for that
reason. Just like go out on chicken Baraka lofi. Oh
chakra
commentary. Yeah, I think that was a good explanation on on how to
deal with the texts. That last part about in front of Catherine
Metcalf and because we were discussing about that, that if
this is also modeled, and how does that work in in today's time, and
I didn't really have an answer for that, but that that settles it. So
it's again, coming back to that point of when you're reading the
shadow handout.
So you have to be very careful and pinpoint down what's meant to be
like Sabbath. Yeah, and what's what are a lot what can change and
what's established? Yeah. And what can change based off of context or
time or, or consequences. And all of these things that we always
learn and also reflect and what are those things that are not then
how do we apply that and then that goes back to the, to the to the
Mufti. You know, these kinds of things. The top layer of that is
not going to be a student. It's going to be a Mufti. Right. And
it's his right to do the Doctor of that. And yeah, what do you think
I was chatting with Chick Rami. And we talked about the method of,
for example, Chiclet, Benny and his methodology, his methodologies
go straight to the books, he doesn't go to any elders, right.
He goes to the books, and he analyzes and I thought, you know,
what I and the method method is both. But primarily, you go to
your teachers to make sure you understood the matter properly,
then you could read books, then even when you read books, you go
back to them to the elders of the Met to make sure you understood
properly. This is a rational thing. Rationally, you're gonna
come to a better conclusion when there's discourse with the
veterans. Yeah. I actually believe that if a person only had to pick
two, if you kept the company, let's say imagine you kept the
company of of, let's say, Chicago, mozzarella and chicken by Ed
Sheeran. What about your hedge? Especially Schiff, the CEO who
live in cosmopolitan areas, where so many myths that had come their
way the Bedouin shoe, the nomadic shoe, they know the Messiah, but
they may not have so many things coming at them every day.
Nonetheless, any of the veteran scholars, you kept his company for
20 years. Another person, he never was allowed to meet a shake, but
he was given all the books and the dictionaries to see what the words
meant. For 20 years.
Then you have them. You take your deen from one of them, you have a
choice.
I still check Rami I would far prefer melasma tissue over reading
books. And I remember very well schicke coffees with me a scene
was a teacher of Hadith, and other subjects. And we're reading so
many Hadith I drive up an hour to read with him. And then we end up
reading like Borneo Islam Allah comes and I'm like Sheikh How
about if I read the Hadith myself, and circled the ones I don't
understand. That'd be make more use of my time than reading Hadith
that I already know. He said, Brother Shadi. I'm not worried
what you know, no, I'm worried. What do you think, you know, that
was really important, because it's what you think that you understood
is could be the problem. What you know, that you understand, don't
understand the problem. So I, what do you think of the concept of
melasma, the importance of melasma your mama shot to be makes an
important point. And he says that, in the beginning, knowledge was in
the chests and hearts of men. And then it became in the books.
However, the keys to those books are still with them. Meaning when
they say reject them in the scholar, that's what they mean by
rigid. So the key to understanding the truth, you know, even knowing
which books to use, there's, you know, you go to the machine for
that, how to understand it, you go to the machine for that. Yeah,
there can be discussion, and sometimes you end up searching
something and you come back to the chef and you realize you actually
understood it and the chef was wrong. But it's not until he gives
you that confirmation that you're comfortable until you get to the
point where they give you the authorization that okay, this is
someone who understands who knows he can read on his own, he knows
how to use these books, he understands the language in them,
and he can interact with them and so on. Also, a purpose of a day is
different from a researcher a day, and a common who deals with common
questions every day.
For him, the going back to
a relied upon mufti, who's been around the block, the whole Ummah
knows them, right or the Maddie hold Maliki school may know them,
or any method is actually sufficient for him. It's required
you're just quoting that chef so and so said this is the method
that's allowed and they they mentioned this in the in the books
of fat, but that's not even giving a fatwa. Yeah, that's not gonna
have knuckles. Yeah, no, that's not even giving a fatwa. So that's
actually a great point is that the the regular guy who's dealing with
people, he's INNOPOLIS. And he does not have to do a full clip on
every masala that is suffices him to do nothing from his shoe, and
then everyone can go back to those she'll have to have an issue.
Exactly. It's when someone is doing takia. Nobody expects him to
say shikaka Yeah, right. When you do it, it means like, we're, how
would you translate that best? Like you're trying to verify an
issue or you're running
a thorough verification of something? Yeah. Then you don't
expect someone to write well, my check set, right? You're expecting
some action in that case that can only the only place I could see
that coming into play is on doing taqdeer of different machines or
something like this. Yeah. Things that require judgment calls. In
that case, that might be appropriate because, again, that's
going to be the one who has taught and memorize and sat with studied
for
For two years, and knows that if you're inside out, and he knows
the law behind every ruling, because there's certain issues
that come up, they require a judgment call. So you might go
back to the machine to get to what they've said. And then you go
backwards, you work your way backwards to get to what they
said. You'd say this one made the judgment call. Other than that,
though, I don't see where that would come into play the the books
are there.
And we can look at them. And I think that the schema have skimmed
that one section, I have to make that correction. Actually, I have
to right. Yeah. About Carl's Jr, that he holds a caveat most likely
meant it, I'll call it luck. And there's the proof over here, that
you're showing him and you're going through and you're trying to
fix anything that needs to be fixed. And that's how it moves
back and forth. It's a back and forth. And, and and I'm I'm going
to fix that part. And we correct that part. And then but also have
to add that what he said that that's it's not a very strong
Hajah if it's only coming from Claudia yard, because he's from
the Motor City. And so that was his response to that. Yeah. But
Let's hypothetically say it is there a booklet here talks about
coding Musawi that you can have possible multiple
opinions that can be given federal like, can you talk about that?
Yeah. So when there's multiple things that can be given the
opinions on them and how bar they're going to be. So the
Martoma just relied upon opinion, it's one of the following. It's
either modificata he which is agreed upon in the madhhab
knowledge mat, not like because they mean only within this method
within them. And then after that, you have the mature, which is the
dominant opinion. There's a discussion around that. And then
the Raja, which is the stronger opinion, and then there's a
discussion when there is a distinction or when there's a
contradiction between the mature and the Raja, which one is first
that we can leave for another day. Then after that, you have the
Maasai, which is you have multiple opinions, let's say two or more
mature opinions, or two or more Roger, opinions being they're all
strong, or they're all mature. Okay, how do we decide which one
is going to go there's a discussion on how the Mufti will
deal with that some actually say, if you were skilled enough to get
to the point to declare that it's possible you have to complete your
bath, you can't just sit and then some say that you can give a
choice to the most ft. And then some say you give what's more,
Prakash like the strict the stricter opinion and some say you
give the more lenient opinion. So there's a whole discussion around
there. So these are opinions that you can
you know, share or that you can act upon the mathema the relied
upon opinion. And then after that, you have the shots which is
irregular, like only one person had this opinion, or a week
Opinion Life. And now these two they can only be used in fact what
due to something else like a Masala or, you know, all of these
kinds of things when situations of federal come across, when there's
machaca when there's hardship, and these things that can be used
using different color had different Maxim's legal Maxim's
that the Mufti will take into consideration to use it. And then
after that, this is very important. There's one last thing
called Majora be helemaal which is if it's an opinion, that is not
what it was not locked in, but it's a weaker opinion or a shadow
opinion in the bathtub. And it became widespread in an area. And
then they call it my job Hill Amel meaning that it's what the
scholars have given fatwa by as the norm. Then this actually
becomes the motto but then you can't give it to a by other than
that. Yeah, and then this Majora Bill AMA has two types it can
either be arm or hosta could be general meaning so for example,
multiple dramas in the same town, right? If there is a de Rudra for
it, it's allowed to have multiple dramas in the same town not in the
same Masjid in the same town. Right? And that's my job enamel
anomalism It's a general hammer that you know the Malik is have
gotten fat whereby in all times in places, then there's ones that are
Amil hos it's only to specific regions. And then to be able to
use that you need to know why it was why this happened and how it
happened and all the history behind it.
The Musawi the two equal opinions is it by numbers? How is it by no
usually we're looking for for analysis so for example if it's if
it's if it's like multiple mature opinions, we want to see too so
this is an important point who declares that something is mature
to begin with. So there's a level of scholar in the meta which is a
Moshe he's the one who declares that this is mature. So he does
the shear of the masala right are of the opinion right. So, for
example, they mentioned that like Ibn rushed, right is higher than
had been busy. So you have different classes of that so like
if it had been rushed and mastery are both saying something has
matured then we might say these are two mature opinions. Whereas
if it's a been rushed versus someone who is lower than him,
then we'll go with him and rushed.
So they so it could even just be one on one.
What do you mean like one one which said within the method and
another which saw unit you need to know the level of each one and
where they where they stand. So I'll give an rosters higher than
had been busy season. So I've mentioned this in the shorthand
mocha demo. So are there any more to it and who actually wrote down
all the names of the automat and gave that
kind of classification.
The kind of grading book that just has the grading I'm not aware that
we're not aware of that looks like looks like the booklet here help
with that. Yeah. And then really everything. For the most part, a
lot of things are found in the commentaries on the introduction
to Hadith. A lot of these conversations where he says more
about you and only maybe he'll fatwah. Yeah, a lot of the
commentaries have that these details.
What else that I wanted to ask you. I wanted to say,
Okay, if I remember.
What else do we have here? I think we mashallah we covered a lot
here. And we even open the door. And this is the different live
stream than before, but it's necessary. And it's good to have a
live stream just solely unfixed. And there's an assumed knowledge
that you're going to have, this is not one of the regular streams
where you don't know anything, you could still listen and benefit.
But every time every once in a while you have to have and also
it's good when these kind of like differences happen that we sit
down and say, Okay, here's how we got to where we got. It's very
easy, because the it just shows our dean is not taken. Yeah, we go
to the Messiah. But there is also there is a level there is a
perspective, not a perspective, there is something to be said for
having the evidences behind something. Yeah. And, you know,
going back to the books and everything, we learned a lot,
actually, because of this. I'm more convinced that the default
ruling of the niqab and everything is my growth than I was before?
Because before I would hear it from shuffling memory. And you
know, here's the thing, someone like shuffled my lady who's an old
man, you're not going to go and annoy him the whole day. Show me
this semester. Can you read this book to me? You know, he's dealing
with hundreds of people a day. He had his time when he was doing
MOBA the whole day. Right? And Haas, he's now in his old age, you
know, there's a certain level of respect with older scholars that
you have, you get the answer, and then you have to go back and
figure it out on their own. So this was good for me, because
before I would, I would take it and if I would teach the muscle, I
would teach it, how I understood it. And I don't say NCF. And
Melanie said, but like, now, this has pushed me more in in that
direction, which is, which is good. And also I am going to add
the section where he said that the kaffir is, was distinguished
between
in a position of power or position of weakness, when they're in a
position of weakness is different. But when they're in the position
of power to harm the Muslim woman, then that she has the choice then
to bear it or not that I'm going to add that. Yeah. And that's
totally different. Like, here's the thing, right? When you're
trying to play fit in different times and places. Yeah, yeah, it's
in the books. But also, it's not because the Morava sat under the
roof and the mallet, like all the considerations that you need to
take when giving fatwah. It's not in that book. Yeah. You know, so
you need to reevaluate what's going on where you are, when you
apply a rule. And so that's ruling that has Allah behind it. Right.
And there are other things that are going on that maybe the
earlier automat didn't take into consideration. Yeah, then that
needs to be taken into consideration. As we said, a more
senior chef is going to make the judgment call on that not, you
know, not me. And we also have to look at realities on the ground.
We can never separate our theoretical knowledge of Shetty
from the actual realities on the ground. And this is something
actually chicken Mohini pointed to in his voice notes. He said that.
Why is this discussion even happening when tomorrow just so
widespread? Like is that even just wearing hijab is not even happy?
What are you discussing these days? You have you have more
important issues where you have for, for example, we're talking
about this issue, but you have another issue of, you know,
there's always complaints that that come and I'm sure you've
heard them to have women when they have, you know, women have out
amongst other women too, right. And one thing that's widespread is
that when they have all women parties, they go crazy, right?
They start with because the, the, you know, the women have to cover
up to the knees in front of other women. Yeah, so so a lot of times,
they're not holding that they're wearing very tight clothing and
everything, then somebody takes a picture, and they spread it
around, and it goes and it gets to even the men, and the women start
this because even a woman in front of another woman who is not
trustworthy, meaning that she would go and describe her finger
and look to other men should be covered. And you should be
covering in front of her. And this would happen actually, when I was
in, when I was in college, right there was those women who would go
around and tell the men, you know, this woman, she's like this, and
you know, they would describe each one. So that's, that's a big
danger. And that's much bigger harm, which is also why the ruling
on covering in front of non Muslim woman is the same because she is
not commanded she doesn't have a sacred belief that she can't
describe it. And then you have and then you have women who are, you
know, they wear the hijab, but it's not hijab, really, because of
how tight the clothing is and, and a lot of other things, excessive
makeup that's being worn.
Then you have the issue of free mixing between men and women. So
all of these are the things are huge
issues that are happening that need to be focused on Yeah,
whereas this issue, you can talk about it day and night. And by the
way, whatever proof we're bringing, no one's covering the
face, right? Let's be real here, right? Very few people are
You have too big a very heavy evidence and with no way out for
someone to do this in Western society. I mean, we show the
ruling, and it's up to them to follow. But then when you see
there's other things, like, for example, like, what's the bigger
issue all the harms that we were just mentioning theft a lot than
the two AdWords and so on? Yeah. Or a woman who is not covering her
face around other women who are not wearing anything at all? Yeah,
SubhanAllah. That's true. That's true. And final point that I
wanted to make is that I'm sure somebody's gonna say I cannot
believe three men have a podcast on discussing women's clothes.
This is actually not about women's clothes, this is about fit and how
to deal with FIP. And how to deal with difference of opinion, and
how to deal with texts. And how to understand when there's a
difference of opinion on what a text means. And what does it look
like when you when you bring it to a an elder? That's really to me
the the more important issue just happens to be that it's this
exactly that. And secondly,
so because we're not even preaching this, we're talking
about the knowledge of it, right? Secondly, we're going to talk
about this issue. Regardless, women are not because it's Quran
at the end of the day, Allah speaking. So we're an analyzing
divine speech. This is not go around telling women why they can
go write their paper too. You can write a paper too. And you could
write a paper on the order of men. No problem. Yeah. If a woman wrote
a paper on the order of men, no Muslim men would ever say, Stop
talking about men's issues. No, she's talking about Allah's
speech, and the Prophet speech. So there's to be no homage in a man
discussing a women's matter if it's from the if they're really
discussing the Quran and the Sunnah. And vice versa. Right? Now
preaching is going to be another thing, right? Telling people what
to do is a whole nother thing, right? But nonetheless, preaching
should be what should be preached is what is accepted without any
difference of opinion as an obligation. And what should be
condemned is what is condemned by all four schools as haram without
any difference of opinion. That's the commanding right and
forbidding wrong, you learn those as the adab of commanding right,
forbidding wrong.
Would you like to take over you have to go get my kids know we can
close it up.
Alright, it's always a pleasure to have Sharon with us and discussing
these matters. We're not going to do q&a. We'll take to q&a tomorrow
how to go and
do a pickup. Does that come along here and everyone Subotica
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