Shadee Elmasry – NBF 246 11 Million Shahadas in Africa, An Amazing Story
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Bismillah al Rahman al Rahim Al hamdu lillah wa Salatu was Salam
ala Rasulillah. While he was on be here, Woman Well welcome everybody
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It's 1pm here eastern standard time as we stream from LA Casina
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where this is where our soup kitchen is today. And let me kick
off right away with a story.
You had never I have never heard probably a story as amazing as
this. Regarding contemporary Muslims and Tao yet, we're now
talking around maybe late 90s or so.
When a man from the dump put the pictures up yet put the pictures
up later chill.
A man from
the Arab countries, one of the Arab one of the Gulf countries.
They're very well off their vet wealthy doctors all that.
And his wife said to him, let's leave this world and give our last
days to Allah subhana wa Tada. endow.
Okay, so they went off and the husband agreed and they had some
connections and where did they choose? They chose Madagascar.
We've been there kids have been there. Everyone loves Madagascar.
Let's go to Madagascar. So they go to Madagascar buys a pickup truck
lives in a small little hut little apartment, really, it's not a HUD
it's an apartment.
And they starts inquiring starts asking about
the countries, the nations that need or the cities in the area
that need Dawa? Who needs doubt we'll hear
interestingly, he hears about a city in Madagascar, or next
America named Judah. Oh, is that alright? Gotta go. There must have
been Arabs there. Or maybe it's just a coincidence, we'll get
there. So it gets a city, which is they call Jinda.
And he talks to the people. And he says, How did you get this name?
He said, Oh, this was a city founded by the residents,
by residents who called the agenda based on their home city. He was
amazed. He said, Tell me more about it. He said, Look, if you're
amazed by this city, you're going to be even more amazed by another
city. Right? Called Mecca.
He says what he says you have to take me there. It's a no no, no,
you can't go there. Why? It's way too far. It's inland in the middle
of the desert.
The jungles sorry, of East Africa. He said, people in the past got
there.
I can get there. And he insisted.
They said, Alright, I need you to come sit.
How was the dinner yesterday? Good.
He said, I insist. So they said okay, go give him a guide.
They went to the airport. They took a long flight, about four
hours, landed in another city.
Then got, they got a city and then got into the oldest car he's ever
seen. And he's like, not
old by our standard. He said they had to hook it up like this, like
with wires like that. There were no seats in the car. And no doors.
You went in and you sat like on the metal straight on the metal.
He drove around and he sees most of the cars are like this in the
city. And he said, Don't you guys have cars with doors?
The guy looks at me said I've never seen one of those car with a
door.
He drives one hour with this car in the middle of the jungle. It's
like desert almost and the East African deserts all red, like the
soils red.
They get there and they stop right in front of a river. He said
alright. He's like, are we? We arrived? Is it? No. They laughed,
said no, we got a ways to go. But the rest of the ways by foot.
So he said okay, so they get a lot of little thing, paddle across the
river. And there's crocodiles in the river.
We see crocodiles in the river, passes the river. And on the other
side of the river now it's jungle.
swamps and jungles. Right.
And he sees all sorts of like animals walking by like their
farms, but it's jungle. So they're walking and walking, and in some
cases, the water of the jungle is up to this chest. Right and his
wife is with them.
They walk and they're like, how long are they walking? They keep
walking in jungles for four hours.
You imagine you take a flight for four hours, you get a rickety old
car for an hour, then you have to walk for four hours. Right?
He walked for four hours, so much. So one time, he was back in his
home country. And he went from
one city in Saudi Arabia to Cuba.
As I don't know how long it is, and the AC wasn't working in the
car, good.
And the AC, by the way, someone tag so Hey, because he's got to
make a movie about this guy.
And the AC wasn't working in the car, and they apologize to him.
Okay, he was like an older man. And people recognize him and well
respected him. He said, apologize for no AC for an hour drive. He
said we would go in, in East Africa, and get in a car in the
back of a pickup truck and go on non paved roads like no roads,
deserts, desert, the car would be moving up like this, and you'd
bang around for 18 hours to get from one village to the next.
So he gets there. He arrives at the city called Mecca. And he
goes, it's not a city. It's a village. And he goes to talk to
the villagers. And when you go to these places, you have to learn
first, you have to learn how to deal with them. You cannot talk to
anyone. Unless you first talk to the the tribal chief. You talk to
the chief first. So he goes in here as asked for the chief the
chief welcomes. He gives the chief, a third one of those cheap
those made in China. That's what he had on him in his bag. He gave
it to him.
Chief took him in whenever these people are so far out whenever
they get a guest it's a big deal. The whole tribe comes Who is this
guest. So he said
tell me about yourself. I seen your cities called Mecca. I
originally I'm from Mecca. He means in general. He's an Arab,
right. I'm originally from Mecca. So I came out of curiosity to know
what about your city? What is this?
He said our great ancestors are from Mecca.
And they came here over 1000 years ago.
And they settled this city.
And he said, So you're Muslims. He they said and there's no sign of
Islam. Like their dress is not Islam. There is not a single trace
of the deen of Islam here.
And they said were Protestant Muslims.
He said, What? He said, Yeah, we're our origin as Muslims. But
the type of Islam we follow is called Protestant.
And he said, I'll explain this. He said that
we used to be called Muslims. Right? Our origin is Muslims.
And the French came along. And they looked at our books, and they
stole our book about 300 years ago, they stole our book.
And they said, We will teach you the right Islam.
And they built a church for us. And they gave us another book,
they said, this is even better than the one you have.
And we said, well, what is the difference? They said no
difference between Protestant and Muslim.
And they said, then what do you worship? He said, It's, we have
the church, and we go there Sundays, and we worship God and
His Son,
Trinity basically.
So that was the initial meeting with them.
He then went to his tent that night, and he prayed to Allah
subhanaw taala to show him away,
to convince them otherwise. And
he kept making dua, and Allah data inspired him with the key was he
said, The only way to reach anybody is you never make them
feel you are better than them. And you're telling them what to do.
And I guarantee you, that is the number one reason why any day it
fails. He actually holds himself and if not, he holds himself he
gives off the vibes that he's better.
Okay. And that's a problem.
So, Allah Tala inspired him
to come out and talk to them in a different way the next day
And not that he was arrogant the first day. But he kept saying I'm
also from luck. He took the word eye out of it. Okay. And he said
to them,
and he said, he made up a little story. He said, You people here
have relatives in MCC. They miss you. They love you. They know
about you. They talked about you. They sent me here to discover if
you're still okay.
They became ecstatic.
They became ecstatic. And he promised them that they would get
help from the relatives in Mecca.
They didn't even know what Mecca was, like where it was, he said,
he said, Have you ever heard of a Saudi? No. Have you heard of
hijas? No. Have you heard of the Arabian Peninsula? No. Never heard
any of that stuff. Okay, villagers, you saw Matt Walston.
What is a woman?
You see that seen?
Villagers? Okay. But not in desert in jungles. Okay.
So he said, Show me your book. They bought his book. And the book
was a mixture of the Bible, the Quran, their own history and all
sorts of magical stuff. Shawa
and but it was written in their language but Arabic letters. So he
knew that these people have
some connection. It's true that they have this connection with
Arabs. He then said to them, it's written on like old parchment
paper. And he said, I see you have there's paper Why don't you use
regular paper? They said no, we call that nervous.
And he said the French brought that paper right? So we don't
write our holy book except on old day got used to they made their
own paper. Okay, and it was the old way that Arabs used to make
paper now so Haven I listen up because you got to make this this
got to be a movie. Okay. So he continues on with them and starts
learning their names What are their names? One man says Robert
Cuddy. It doesn't ring anything doesn't connect anything to him.
Sounds like you know a foreign language next tribe what are the
next tribe next is different names another person though says I'm
from Almighty
passes on starts maybe putting a connection together next one but
all Somani different tribal names African names but also these other
names okay all right allow we rally you and then
he started realizing these are descendants
name one name is buckety Nexus Oh money Nexus automatic Nexus ally
you. Right.
And they and he said, Well, what's wrong? And he said, that is like
when you honor somebody like the honorable title. And he realized
just truly are these people are from their origin is from our
Muslims.
So they tell them about the church and everything. And he says, You
know what?
Your relatives
in Mecca. They worship Allah Himself. They don't worship a son.
And he leaves it at that one mess one word in the whole day. And he
didn't tell them what to do. He didn't tell them what's true and
false is your relatives in Mecca, your origin, they only worship one
God, they don't say he has a son.
And they say he says a messenger. He left it at that next day, bring
some gifts. And they say you know what, we talked about what you
said, We're gonna stick with our relatives. Just like that. Right?
We're gonna stick with our relatives, right? And we're gonna
say Joe heat.
So he says look, he started now considering things he said I see
something strange here. Your sand here the soil, not sand. Its soil
is is red. It's very red, noticeably red, but the leaf is
green. Who does this?
How is that? How are the leaves coming out green when the soil is
red.
And this is nothing but Allah
casts via loss of bass to be a crater. He said look, this place
if it doesn't rain here
you all die, you know crops because they they grow rice, their
farm is all rice. That's what they grow there.
And they said
these clouds who brings down the rain, you can only be Allah so
he's trying to start getting them to be conscious of the Creator.
Right? And they accept what he sink. Okay. And everything is
going smoothly with the with the tribe. So finally they accepts
Islam. The tribal chief accepts Islam. He brings the whole other
the whole tribe
And he says to them, you need to the tribal chief says we're now
Muslims. And we worship Allah alone.
And we don't worship Jesus anymore. And it's only
a mess. And He is a messenger of God, not Son of God. And we're
going to rename the the church into a masjid got a message. So
they go, and then he doesn't say anything. But when they go, they
worship in their own ways.
So he waited some time.
Because he also said another thing. He said, People get
unsettled with too much change too quickly.
So he left it for a while.
All the while staying there living with his wife there in the jungle.
Time passes, and he says, and he goes one day, and he prays in the
open in front of them all.
They said, What's this? Is this how your relatives pray? Oh, we
got to pray like this. No. Okay. Show us how to pray like this. So
he starts teaching them salah. But first, of course will do, right,
and teaching them what's legit, and what's pure, how to make wudu
properly. So they accept it. And then he realizes that he's now
teaching them he's living off of them, it sends, he sends for some
gifts, he gets some more gifts, because people coming and going.
And he gets these gifts in. And he realized that if I'm going to
teach them for every one thing that I teach them and make them to
make a big decision, I got to bring some gifts. So he goes in,
he just brings some little gifts. Sometimes the gifts are so minor,
sometimes they're like cucumbers, right? keep you fresh cucumbers
from the market or something like that. Getting gifts from the other
local villages, because now that where they are, he doesn't have to
go back to the capital to get stuff. There's other villages.
So then he starts teaching about cm.
And about covering the bodies and dressing properly and all that.
Well, one thing leads to another. And this ends up being years upon
years upon years of working with this tribe, which was called the
anti war tribe of East Africa. And that is merely one incident.
That's one story of the stories of a great man who lived in our time
and died in 2013 by the name of Abdul Rahman estimates and his
wife on misbehave.
This man went to college in the 50s and 60s and went to medical
school get and his charity work started from the city of Kuwait.
Up a little bit
from the country of Kuwait.
He all it all started with this young man when he was in college,
and he passed by the South Asian workers
sitting in the heat, waiting for a bus to come. Then they go out put
out a few
coins and take this miserable bus to work. And then they work all
day. So he said look, these guys were spending money, their bus on
wages, why don't we help them out? You can go.
So he gets his friends together and said let's come together here.
And let's buy a used car.
They buy a rickety old used car, right like a van, a used van. And
then he says we'll take turns we'll drop them off to on our way
to school. So on our way to school, they pick up the workers
now anytime there's a worker sitting in the street, whoever's
day it is to have the van. Just pick them up, drop them off, let
them save their money and let them sit in air conditioned van instead
of sitting in the heat and waiting and waiting and waiting in this
miserable life. That's how his love of helping people begin.
Okay.
When he got married, he went became a successful doctor. He
studied tropical disease.
He went to Baghdad for medical school because that's where the
best he was Kuwaiti ends up going to Baghdad that's where the best
medical schools were at the time. He ends up going to Liverpool for
specialization McGill Canada
all focusing on tropical disease comes back begins his career does
really well have his a lot of money in his mid 30s He's almost
there living a very good life in Kuwait.
And his wife right now starts saying to him
this life is all just we just compete with the neighbors we just
buy stuff like this life is meaningless, like we eat what's
the point of this life? So he said okay, let's let's start helping
out with Dawa.
Let's go give Tao and they said were
so this look these Asian people are
Okay, they need help. Let's go where they are in the subcontinent
and go help them out. We'll give them medical treatment and stuff.
So they said, okay, they made the intention now, between the making
the intention and actually doing it. A woman comes and says to him,
would you fund a masjid in Malawi? He said, Sure. cuts your check.
That's it.
And he says, I want to see I'm funding a masjid like, I want to
go see it. So he goes to Malawi, put the map up and see if the if,
if, if if Malawi is on the map.
I don't even know if it is just lower that a bit. Yeah, that's
good.
So he ends up in Malawi, East Africa. And that's where it all
begin. Once he got to East Africa, he saw the need of these people.
And not only that, he saw something that really bugged him.
He went to a village.
Okay, everyone had a Muslim name. And there were masajid and
crescent moons everywhere in the village.
But everyone was wearing a cross.
And he said, What's going on here?
They said, Oh, we had a drought. And the missionaries came.
We love them. They did everything for us. And they said, become
Christian. So we became Christian, right? These are village types,
really respect anyone who helps them. And they don't argue they
have a chief mentality, right? Like, if you help somebody, if
someone helps you, you owe them, you should follow their ways.
So they followed their ways. He started chit chit chat and with
people and he found out that way back in in the 70s. Okay.
He heard that there was a convention that took place in
Colorado 1972.
And many heads of state, and many dignitaries and the pope himself
attended.
They set themselves a goal that from 1975 to the year 2000, is 25
years by the year 2000, that Africa will be majority Christian
nation, a continent.
And and the Pope was all about that and funded it. And
Protestants were involved, different groups were involved.
Even the president Christian, they would get along. But there were
millions upon millions of dollars. So he said, Oh, we got to help
these people. So the trip is over. And the wife, she meant like,
let's just go on, instead of going on a vacation. Let's go help dude
out. So instead of going on some like a winter break or something
with summer vacation, they would go to Tao. So they spent this one
vacation in Malawi. And they saw all this stuff and they came back.
Worked again. Have children, teenagers now. Next vacation you
want I want to go back? Let's go back to those people. All right,
we'll go back. You know what, let's buy an apartment here,
bought an apartment there. And back and forth that finally one
day he realized this is not going to work cannot just go for two
weeks, two months. It's not going you're not going to have benefit.
So he said I'm gonna take a sabbatical one year off.
And I'm build a build up a center there. And he builds African
Muslim aid organization. Good. And he starts building it up using his
money. Of course, he earns the Kuwaiti Currency. It's even better
than the dollar do even better than the British pound, at least
from what I know, of what it used to be.
And he's now meme. He has massive his massive operation. He spent 10
months in East Africa. He produced a massive operation. Okay. He gets
back to Kuwait.
And he has so much good news to tell his family.
But then something bad happens. It's like his kids and him don't
connect anymore. He spent 10 months away from teenagers. You
know the age 12 1314 spent 10 months away. Him and his kids have
a disconnect now. So here he is doing all this work. And we're
talking like 80s I think right? Early late 70s, early 80s There's
not you don't call every day I mean kids today you get on Wi Fi
you guys put it there on video. They put it there on video he
spent all that all day right just on video with your kids. People do
that sometimes. Can't do that. You know there's no such thing as
calling it's a big deal to call international calls where he is in
the middle of the these these jungles
So what he came back and thinking I'm gonna have all this great news
all of a sudden came crashing down, because not connected with
his kids.
And it was his wife that took all the good news that he said and
said, Well, there's only one solution.
We're not leaving this work, but we can leave this life. Let's all
move there.
A crazy idea, right? All right, resigned, okay, put his money
assigned people to invest his money for him to fund the
projects.
All right, him and his wife, they move the whole family moves to
Kenya and they start doing the dow of their village to village
village to village village to village doing the Dawa. Okay. And
when he starts doing this, he comes back to Kuwait.
They travel apparently through Baghdad. He gets arrested. What is
this traveling back and forth to Africa. They gotta get arrested.
Right? He goes, come down, get some money, check on his
investments and go back. Now what would he do there? He would just
pick up on any tip. And he would travel to that village, he would
travel to that village. And sometimes he would encounter near
death experiences just traveling to the villages. And he said the
biggest fear that he had. And the biggest problem were the Cobras.
Cobras come out of these jungles. Why yours? You could be sleeping.
Cobras come out of the jungle while you're walking you step on
something. It might irritate a cobra and he fought with a cobra
over three times. Each time almost dying. Here you have an Arabic
this is not some Australian American adventure. Right? These
are Arabs. They're used to sitting and no offense to them. But some
of you are from the hedges, you know that they're not these are
not the adventurous people. Right? Of course, their forefathers
probably could handle anything. Right? But the Contemporary Arab
today is not into this. They don't do this thing. This is not like an
American who's gonna go do something crazy or an Australian.
They're all into the outdoors, even the British right?
This is not an Arab thing. And for an Arab woman to join him. She
went on every trip that he never went alone. So the Cobras were a
huge problem for him.
What else was his issue? He needed to expand his organization, he
would go to a village just like he would to enter more the village
would accept Islam. Well, now what?
So he started a fund. He started cut a part of the endowment for
shield.
So he goes and he starts calling all the colleges, all the Islamic
Colleges of the Arabs in the Arab countries. You have a recent
graduate wants a job
posting these job offers. And it is like no one was taking it. So
he said so I had to increase the salary more than the government
post in the mosque. Right.
No one was taking it. So in one case, he stayed himself. In one of
these situations with one of these villages, nobody would take the
job. No electricity, bugs everywhere. Well, if you're
married, your wife's definitely not going right.
Even if you have some adventure. Well, once she gets pregnant,
they're like, What about all these problems? Well, they asked him, he
said he never thought about it, just do it. But on top of that,
his knowledge and Tropical Medicine came in handy. Because
that's what you what you have there.
He needed that in the swamps and the jungles there.
Now listen to this. He gets one day to a jungle, a village I saw
it. And he starts opening first thing opens a medical clinic.
First thing opens a medical gives out medicines does procedures. By
this time he has a whole team massive team in Kuwait in the
capital set investing money, sending the medicines establishing
stuff. And he's got Now time is passing three, four or five years
now in East Africa full time now. It's a developing operation. And
one time a child's came. And he says to the mother, unfortunately,
there's nothing much we could do for this child.
And we're leaving soon. They don't stay in one village for too long.
We're leaving soon. So you know there's nothing much we could do.
I apologize.
So she says well, at least would you pay for him with your
endowment. It's all his personal money.
And some people don't
Make no to, would you pay for him, at least to live comfortably for
the rest of for the duration of his life? He said yes. And he
moves on. Good. When he would do things like that, to try to help
people as much as possible, he found out that after a while, that
he doesn't have information, he needs information. Okay. So guess
what he does, he goes, and he hires local professors to write
him detailed reports
on the villages, their histories, their backgrounds, their social
status situation. And now he's like, getting these reports from
professionals. Now, six months later, guy comes back with the
report, five months later, guy comes back and presents him a
report, right and gets paid for it. So one of the things he
realized is that
Christians tended to be only 40%. But that 40% is increasing because
of the missionaries.
Muslims were 60% or 50%. And there's animism, pagan animism was
still there, in but that was very a minority. But in the report, it
said that the majority of the people of the leaders, they're
always Christians, like Christians are ruling like 80% of the
positions. They're in 80% of the ruling class positions, although
they're only 40%. This is because the Muslims, they're very poor.
And they're uneducated.
And then that's their main problem. And so what happened was
the British and the French when they came, who today and they
built a lot of these institutions, well, who did they favor? They
favored the Christians. So the Muslims are now a majority, but
they're, they're not in these positions. So what does he do?
Starts up a college. And that became a second thing that he
starts up medical clinic, schools, regular secular schools, now, he
may,
whatever the subjects were that they studied there, and then
eventually, the big ones were colleges, actual universities.
Right? And he would go back to the Arabs, show them what he's doing.
And people say bad things about the Gulf Arabs, well, you
shouldn't because they funded this stuff, right? We always say bad
things about them, oh, they're this, they're that they're other.
It's so easy to just throw an accusation. Right on people from
far away.
You don't know what they did. They funded these colleges, his
friends, his medical field friends and their friends of their friends
and friends of their friends. And it started to grow little by
little by little people became so impressed with the work.
And they funded universities and they built several colleges after
that, so that the Muslims could be they weren't exclusively for
Muslims, but they were for them. They were pushing them and they
were trying to
even out the playing field.
A lot of groups became angry with him and Christian missionaries
began speaking ill about him.
Christian missionaries start getting really worried about this
movement here. And they started to poison the tribes.
Right, started to tell the tribes about him.
And one tribe got so riled up because they were animistic.
And they knew that he's coming and he basically when he comes, this
stuff goes away.
While he found one day him yourself getting shot up.
They tried to shoot him, they tried to assassinate him.
So this, this is your like the wild wild east. You got cobras,
you got tribes, you got diseases. He said that the places there that
he traveled in some places for so long to get to a village 18 hour
trip to get to a village on the way the only water that he had was
in a pond.
And he said I had to actually push the pond pushed the the the
deification of animals away from the pond away from the water just
to take a sip.
And the missionaries were like, What is this man reaching
everywhere? He's going everywhere. He said he would not hear of a
village except
he would say let's go for it. Okay, do you want to know
anything? Let's go. Right. And this is the value of where
sometimes being a pet which is good. Look at these images.
And they build wells. Get in these villages.
He went to village to village to village there was one day he went
to a village and a woman knocked on the door and she said I need to
see him. He said Bring him in. He didn't have like
Sir
or anything. So he said commit. He said, she said she had her, her
son with her.
And he said recite, so he recited. So he said mashallah wonderful.
And she said,
you know, this boy? He said, No. He said, You came to this village
13 years ago, that boy lived and you've been paying for it ever
since. And he memorized the whole Quran.
Subhanallah so the boy was saved by Him.
He
sponsored him, and the boy memorize the Quran
Subhan Allah, he went to one village,
telling you so hey, this has got to be a movie. He went to one
village that was very in more in the more desertified area was dry.
Not the jungles.
The people there arrived, they saw Oh, like they view it like, there
are civilized people. And then there's us. That's how they view
it. And he came.
And he and they said to Him, they gather around him and they said,
Make it rain.
He said only Allah knows how to make it rain or hate. By the way,
he's leaving different countries, he's going to different countries.
So this is deep in the desert. Now. He said, If your deen is
true, because we know you're going to come here and you're going to
have a different religion than us. We need to know if it's true.
If your religion is true, let your God make it rain and we'll follow
you.
You said he said no, no, that's not how Islam works. That's not
Islam. Islam isn't by these things. Islam, I will teach you
what Islam is you could choose to decide to take it or not.
He talked and talked and talked at the end of the talk. He said, What
do you all think?
They said, if you make it rain, we'll follow you.
Well, let's talk we're dying here. Right? We are dying here. Make
your God make it rain. And think about this is actually true,
right? If you think about it, but you're telling us your God is
true. Yes. He hears Yes. Okay, we're dying here. Talk to him,
make it rain. He went back.
And he said that he began to weep.
He said that I have so many sins, my salah is this this
is not going to be valuable. He said but Allah, they're not
testing me. They're testing your deen. So he wept. He said, It is
the key with this man he understand certain things, said
before my heart spoke. My tongue spoke my heart was already weeping
My heart my my heart was humbled in my I was weeping. Then my
tongue spoke and I said, Oh Allah, they're not testing me. They're
testing your deen. So give victory to your deen.
By the time they made it back to him, their place was flooded with
rain.
And the whole village entered Islam. Subhan Allah the
amazing story. So this was the
this is the story for 29 years. He did this him and his wife. Towards
the end, he was sitting in a tent.
And he saw that the amount of sicknesses that he had.
He had contracted malaria. He had contracted high blood pressure. He
had contracted heart diseases, all sorts of diseases that cause him
and his wife, his or their organs were just shutting down. Like they
couldn't survive this. It's one thing you go on a vacation, you
get dysentery once you go on one trip semester abroad, you get
malaria, you live 29 years in an area that compounds
and he's sitting one time in a hut.
Because wherever they would go, they would settle, right for a
while. And so in this certain country that they went to 34
countries
and
in the continent of Africa, and this one situation, they were
sitting, and he started wondering if he's pushed it too far.
And he looked at the face of his wife, and his wife said, his
wife's face had now the signs of utter exhaustion, from this way of
living. I mean, it's one thing to be exhausted after nine weeks.
This is 29 years. But he thought at that point, maybe we went too
far. Maybe we go back to Kuwait. We get air condition, we get some
health, good food, we go to the doctors, take some medicine and
recuperate.
And so he said to his wife, he said, You look like you're
finished. You don't look
healthy. You look really tired.
She said Subhan Allah, just this moment, I was thinking in my head.
If we ever went to Jana would we be this happy?
Subhan Allah does that Allah put Sakina he puts happiness in the,
in the hearts of people when they do these deeds, that's the
immediate compensation. Ask anyone who does the one hour a week
dinner that we do here, which we hope to expand. Why do you keep
doing it? Right? Because you get rewarded right away when you do
sadaqa immediately in your heart. And Allah says in surah Taha Boone
got upgraded to low carbon hasna Utah if hola como Fidlock give
Allah a good loan, he will multiply your money for you.
And he'll forgive your sins. There's no money that goes
anywhere. Except that it comes back to you know, that you given
setup except that it comes back to you.
He died in 2013. By this time, he was deemed a legend. No Arab had
done anything close.
At let's go to the statistics, do we have that thing with the
statistics of all his achievements? Because you're not
going to believe here it is. I got to hear I'm going to read it. You
could put it up. But I got it here. Listen to this.
He financed
200 centers for women. And I'm going to tell you the best
statistic at the end.
Women's centers, women's health, women's issues, etc. 200 women
centered
Senator women for universities
860 schools 204.
Islamic centers, Miss schools, Quran schools Georgian Fort
Collins was 51 million Messiah HIFF in different languages, Quran
95,000 students were established by him 95,000 Students
15,000 orphans
5700 masajid
9500 wells
and you're ready for the last statistic
conversions to Islam.
Take a guess.
200,000 What's your guess? 500,000 11 million
11 million across 34 countries based on his work in his
organization.
They enter Islam with the tribal chief.
If the tribal chief hunters Islam that may be in one day 200,000. If
the chief enters Islam, that's how they operate on 11 million people.
Some of them were an area may be of
800,000 that have lost their Islam, like the anti war people.
He comes in contact with them. They retake their Islam. They're
sad, right? They enter Islam again.
When he died, his funeral was attended by
all the dignitaries of the Arabs.
Everyone attended his funeral. And the foreign minister of Malawi
showed up at his funeral. And they said
they asked him what well, what brings you here?
We know he did good work. He said I'm one of the orphans that were
sponsored by him.
And he sponsored Muslims he sponsored any orphan he didn't ask
questions, orphan orphanage, school, he kept things pretty
simple.
He kept things simple, but he always kept put an imam in the
masjid to teach people Quran to teach people things. So that is
this not a man who deserves a movie. And guess what? So hey, why
we're talking to make a movie as if it's like write a blog post.
But so he needs to do this. I'll tell you why.
Because if the Christians do it, if Hollywood does it, all the data
is going to be out of it doesn't mean no doubt. And the greatest
thing you could do is save someone for eternity not give them a
sandwich for five minutes. Right?
That is what's greater to cure the heart of a person from chinook and
coho that will last him an eternity or to cure someone from a
disease that will give him a good life for 50 years. Well, how
amazing is that? To save someone's life for 50 years. We know how
amazing how amazing it saved their eternity.
He's saving the eternity. So this, it could actually be a series to
be honest.
It could be a series you could have probably three
Are the episodes because you can go to his wife and his kids, and
they will tell you stories from him.
I don't know if the wife is alive, but the daughter received a
proposal. She said, there's one condition, you have to be okay
with going to Africa. And they go to Kenya all the time they go to
Africa, they go to Mozambique, Madagascar, and they go to all
these places where they're connected, and they have people
there, and they have their organization there. The key to
this is no is to never make anyone imagine that you're better than
than them. Okay? And the thing is, you can only do that when you
actually don't believe they're better than you. Right? Because if
you believe if you believe that they're better than you, or that
you're better than them, it's gonna come out whether you like it
or not. Right? If you believe they're better, it will come out
of them. It will come off you. But if you actually genuinely
don't believe you're better than anybody.
People will the they'll feel that
he did use this is going to be a little segue into our next topic.
He used basic arguments to make people realize it's not good
article.
He use basic arguments
to make people convinced let's, let's pull those in, because this
is going to be our lead into our next topic. Okay.
He said to the people one time he said, you don't have light bulbs.
He said no. They said, No, they didn't have light bulbs. He said
that they said that only in the big cities, they have light bulbs.
So he said to them,
Well, what would you say about somebody who was would would power
you for free? Right? And they said wonderful, but we don't even have
the electric cables. He said, What about if I told you that you could
get
there's a new light bulb out? That doesn't even need electricity.
They said, Okay, whatever they will fear is on the floor. So the
light bulb will be on the ground. Right? As long as they build a
lamp as long as they build a stand fine. See, they believed
everything because they don't know any better that there's a light
bulb that has no cost, no electricity. And they said he said
no, this light bulb. How about this?
I'm going to make it. It could it could hang in the sky by itself.
And it schedules to turn on and off by itself. They said all is
amazing. He said okay, what if I tell you you already have one?
Do you think this was made by some Animus? God pagan? Who made that
son?
Can you do you wouldn't believe that your God could make a light
bulb.
And this was a kind of discussion and kind of argument or talk that
he would talk to people with. And what do we call this other than
like rudimentary idle milk, rudimentary cannamd Just like
Prophet
Ibrahim Ali Salam got
all right, where's NAS?
Yep.
So he would talk to the people very simple things like this.
Hudson Hudson.
Yeah, that one right there.
Yeah, he should be coming on. Yeah. He should be coming on and
it's just send them the link again.
Let's see some of the comments while NAS comes on here
is this not like what are the most amazing stories you ever heard? 29
years.
Totally. Yeah.
Yeah. Very simple thing. Yeah. Subhan, Allah Subhan. A lot of
them. I mean, think about them. They when you say, alright, God is
living in hearing. Okay.
So let's talk to him. That's how simple it is. All right.
You see what kind of suffering we're having there didn't ask for
luxury. Right? And they just asked genuinely. So Mohammed Shah says
this reminds me of the stories of the great elder of the past. They
say the Wali of what he Songo went to Indonesia and Zhaohua and
Marina Dena Chishti in the subcontinent and did all these
things.
And that's exactly right. But it goes to show that
there's two things here, number one that people were pretty close
to their fitrah.
Okay. They're pretty close to their natural way of living. And
he was very humble. So all right, let's expand as their nose. Can
you come closer to the camera, please? Yeah, that's about good.
All right, we have our guests today.
And the reason that we're combining these two that story and
the story is that because we are living also with people who need
Dawa, we're living with a group of people making them a bit bigger
to. We're living with a group of people who may need some more
sophisticated arguments in the Dawa, and we even bigger. We need
to learn these things. And that's why we're bringing on NAS
recently, Sheikh Hamza Karmali put out a series, very good Sheikh
Hamza Karmali put out a series and
he put out he has very nice
marketing, everything is very program everything's great. Nas
went Safina society, reconnaissance mission, Intel
operation, to see what exactly Sheikh Hamza Karmali is teaching.
Nas himself is interested in Edmond Killam. And he's got a book
coming out that Safina side is publishing insha Allah Allah, on
the problem of evil. We're very excited about this one. And so,
but this is not about today's talk is not about the problem with you
today is about what are the contemporary in contemporary
language of what modern westerns?
What is this the simple basic way, simple arguments that are also in
a sense on the cutting edge in the sense that they're not ones that
will be shooed away easily by the skeptic and the atheists. So, Nas
Hudson, welcome to the lives of deciding live stream, and you can
get straight into the contingency argument.
So shame salaam Salaam Alaikum, everybody on the stream as well.
So as Dr. Shetty mentioned, I was able to subpoena sponsor me to go
and basically do some research as to this new phenomenon of Calum
3.0, as she comes out, Karmali calls it and there has been some
drama on social media about Is he trying to change color was he
trying to like, bring new things like, bidder or something like
that, but I'm just gonna talk to you about what it is right? What
his contentions are, and also, some of the new arguments that
I've never heard about, that he mentioned in this course. And one
of the biggest takeaways that I got was the method of
argumentation. Right. And from my personal history, growing up and
also learning these topics from Christian writers, it actually
colored a lot of my assumptions. And Hamdulillah, this weekend
intensive, it cleared up a lot of those things for me.
So the first thing that Sheikh Hamza mentioned, was the
importance of evidence. And one of the things he mentioned that's
that's so insightful is that our civilization is a civilization of
evidentialism, which means that whatever position we say, or
whatever position we assert, we are scholars have tried to back it
up with some type of evidence, either logical, either scriptural
textual, or their historical, whatever you might consider as
evidence. And one of the things he mentioned is that Christians are
not evidentialist. Right? That Christians, the root of their
faith, is not based on evidence. And this is something that I
noticed in, you know, my engagement with Christians, and
something that I really didn't want to like, accept, because at
the end of the day, they say, Okay, we believe in the Trinity,
we believe in the Incarnation, things of this nature. And this is
like a faith that the Holy Spirit puts in our heart. And like, no
matter what you throw at me, I'm not really going to change my
mind. Right? And but Sheikh Hamza said that, well, if you're
speaking with the modern people, who are naturalists or scientists
who are all about evidence, evidence, evidence, or ATS, this
is actually good. Because if both of us are evidentialism, if both
of us are saying that, look, if you give me evidence, I'm going to
change my mind.
Then we can have a discussion
But if the other person is saying, Look, no amount of evidence, you
look, I like to argue this argue, but no amount of evidence really
gonna change my mind. And there's no point arguing, arguing with
that person at all right.
And one of the things he also talks about is that this
presenting of evidence is actually how the Quran spoke with the
Arabs. And it spoke to them using informal arguments, right, not
formal, structured, syllogistic arguments that we have in Calam
books and logic books and things like that. But this was Kalam 0.0.
Right? It starts with the Quran, because the argument audience were
the Arabs. And it spoke to the Arabs who had uncorrupted fitrah.
And inform arguments like you were mentioning with the story of the
sheikh who converted? What is it like 11 million total was 11
million by the end of his 30 years. Yeah, hon Allah and I bet
you that every single village he went to, he devised a strategy of
how to present this lamp to them, like you mentioned in that first
case, right? If he went to a certain village, and he started
talking about the contingency argument there, they're gonna be
like, What is this, right, or if he went to another, like, if he
went to a town, for example, where people were a little bit more
developed, then he might take a different approach. And the same
thing is with Canada, that the whole point of it is to speak to
the audience that you're speaking to, and basically assert your
positions, and then also respond to their objections using their
language. Right. So column 1.0, the birth of Canada, I'm really
with Hassan Ashari. And environment maturity, Rahim Allah,
they what they were doing is they were also responding to an
audience of that time. And that audience were actually Muslims.
And that's it is they, they believed in God, they believed in
the profit center, they believed in the scriptures. So what they
were doing is they were responding to the martyrs in these who are
saying, based on their understanding of logic, for
example, that God cannot be encompassed in sight. Right? And
in column 1.0, what they did is they said, the scholar said, No,
let's analyze the nature of sight. Let's break it down and respond to
your objection. Because we say that God can be seen in paradise,
right? And this does not go against the the notion of, you
know, Allah subhanaw taala being unlike creation, right? And so
they offer an analysis of site and they said, Look, in our analysis,
sight is an ability that's created in the heart. Right, by the thing
that is making itself disclose to you. So with this definition of
malice, you know, Allah cannot be seen in this world. But in Jannah,
it's it's not inconceivable, it's not logically impossible that God
would create an ability in us to be able to see Allah subhanaw
taala without direction and location and space. Exactly.
Exactly. What the key issue. Exactly. So now they're responding
to that audience. The motors it is, okay, now there, there's, it's
like a boss fight, right? There's a new boss every time. Now there's
a new new cat in town, the new boss, a new opponent in town, are
the Aristotelian Neoplatonic philosophers, when the Muslims
started engaging with the old world, the world of the Greeks,
the world of the Romans, and that knowledge started coming through.
Now, there are new issues that are coming up. And now the scholars
have to respond to those people. And this is Kalam to point out, or
Kalam books are basically responding to Neoplatonic
Aristotelian ins, and showing them why they said for example, that
the universe is eternal. Right? So this is why you'll see a lot of
cannon books, you know, pushing home the concept of habit of
creation, universals created, why the Kalam Cosmological Argument is
such a like, like it's everywhere. It's an all the kalam books right
now, because this is something that the Quran focuses on. Right?
The Quran is actually if you look at the arguments that it uses,
it's very heavy on the design argument.
So part of the kalam argument is focused on a lot by the Moto
Kalamoon because of the audience that they're talking to. They're
speaking with people that deny creation, so it's addressing the
need. Exactly. Well just like fitness like modern fic. How much
do we spend on the financial matters effect because there's so
developed here
Right, and there's so many different types of contracts here.
Whereas in the past, they may have had missa. And related to cows and
cattle were more spent on.
Exactly. And so but the point is that the specific issues are not
essential to color. And the method is essential, right. And it's the
method, which insha Allah I'll be talking about in a bit. The method
is so important, because it allows us one of the things Sheikh Hamza
said is, I was thinking this way, too, that Oh, in the Medallia's,
in order to respond to modernity and update are Medallia's, we need
to refute x, we need to refute why feminism liberalism XYZ, like we
need to refute a million things. Sheikh Hamza said, No, you don't
need to refute everything. What you do the method of claim is you
assert, yeah, this is what we believe. This is our argument. And
then you let the other person object and based on their
objections, right, the body of color and grows based on their
objections you respond to using? Yeah, this is exactly what our
coloring books are doing. If you look at the how washi and things
like that is, oh, here's an argument. All right, this is what
somebody else said, that argument is not valid. Okay, here are
responses, why it's valid. And so this is how the body of Kalam
grows. And so this is what he calls Kalam. 3.0.
Let's assert what we believe in the language of modern philosophy
in the language of modern naturalistic science. Let's assert
our Sunni positions, and then let them respond. Let them ask them
like why do you disagree with this? Where do you disagree?
Which, which premise? Right? So we say something like, and I'll give
you a couple examples of this, this method in practice,
okay, so the first thing
we need to understand is
now scientists are also evidential is they believe in evidence,
right? So also they say, atheists, they believe in evidence. So why
do evidential is all disagree?
Now the key reason they disagree is because they have a different
epistemology.
They're differing over what knowledge is, we can include in
the discussion, what knowledge to exclude. So the first thing that
Sheikh Hamza did in the seminar was go through the epistemology of
the Islamic with anyone, the scholars, while we're, while we're
doing this, I want Habib to put a link for his class. What's his
website called? It's not to interrupt you.
Should I should I give that the website? Yeah. Tell us the study.
You could just say it then have people type it in here. It's
called the boss era education. dot.org I believe all right, stick
that in there, please. Messina with two E's, I think right. But
instead of an eye bassoon education dot orgy
it's one that I owe to the no sorry about that. Is it have an h
in it? No, it's VA Si. Ra. Yeah. Okay, good.
Oh, by the way, I had a thing to say about this. I don't want to
cut you off your train of thought but the way I look at it is like
this, if the epistemology is developed is based upon
transmission observation and reason. So the today's naturalist
and scientists and physicists only essentially only admit observation
observed physical empirical science. The philosophers only
admit reason. And the literally lists within each religious
tradition only admit transmitted knowledge or only meaning like
they totally pretty much dismissed the other sources.
That doesn't make sense. Yeah. Very, like 20,000 foot view. I
kind of agree with that. Yeah, yeah. So And okay, so continue.
Yeah, one of the things that he did actually was he went through
the types of knowledge Yeah, he explained it in the lingo modern
philosophy, right. Because what we do when in our Qalam books, we
have this the two types of knowledge Right, yeah. The non
inferential which we call the D, and then we have the inferential
knowledge, right, which is, which requires some type of syllogistic
reasoning to come up with, right? It's like for example, if I said,
I don't know if I said, All humans are mortal. Socrates is a human
and therefore Socrates is mortal. Right. So this would be a type of
inferential knowledge, but non inferential knowledge, but the
knowledge is the things that we have self evidently,
and this is where a lot of the disagreements are happening today
because and then I'll mention the types of non inferential knowledge
I think this is very important. I won't list them all out, but
obviously we know they're like self evident.
propositions like logical propositions, like, for example,
two divided by two is one, one, right? Or, you know, one, one,
half of two is one, things like that. So these are analytic
propositions. They're like, evident, nobody can disagree with
them. Now, one of the things that Sheikh Hamza includes in this
list, as very interesting is what he calls scientific inference.
Right? So scientific inference, he says, is a type of body knowledge.
It's not inferential. And we actually spent a long time lot of
objections. But when he explained that it made a lot of sense. So
for example, if we say the universe began to exist, like the
big bang theory does.
They're not saying that because oh, they sat there with, there's a
philosophical argument for that. Right. But I'm saying from a
scientific lens, yeah, you gather tons of data over the years, over
decades, over decades. And they're forced to admit a conclusion,
which is the university against began to exist. Yeah. Looking at
all this data, it fits together perfectly, and somebody just had
an intuition that boom, the universe was created. The data
tells us, right, this is the type of scientific inference that's
almost body knowledge that's self evident. And we can include this
in our arguments for God
in our arguments for Islam, because Islam would never
contradict any type of genuine scientific inference right. Now,
I'm sure you're thinking about a certain scientific theory that
does contradict Islamic
Islamic Sunni positions. Right, which is the theory of evolution?
Yeah. Yeah. So this is what I asked. She comes, like, how would
we support the scientific inference of evolution? We have
all these data points, all these fossils, so on and so forth. And
the best inference we can find as well. Things evolved from other
things. So Sheikh Hamza, he gave a very, very nice
reply to this, and it just completely evaporated. The problem
for me, and that is, scientific inferences operate with the data
that you have, right? You have all this data and you're making a
conclusion. He says, Well, you missed one data point. Yeah, you
missed one data point, which is the which is what the Creator of
all that data is saying about human beings. Right? Admission of
transmission. Exactly. So so based on our other arguments, if you
believe that there's a necessary beam, he sent down a revelation,
okay, we include that data point in all this other data points. And
what are the what does that get us? Okay, things evolved, human
beings didn't.
Right, human beings didn't evolve from monkeys, if you believe like
other stuff evolve, no problem.
Right. So this is like the
this, this allows us to preserve scientific insights. It doesn't.
It doesn't force us to like refute science, a lot of you know, dies,
lot of people on YouTube. A lot of like smart people, even the first
thing that they do when trying to defend Islam or trying to defend,
like, belief in God is they'll try to undermine science under says,
you're shooting yourself in the foot. The scientific method is
about sensory evidence.
Right? So we admit sensory evidence, like we believe in that,
and even if the Christians know, yeah, so he says that one of the
main importance things of Kalam 3.0 is we don't undermine
scientific inferences. And not all scientific inferences are created
the same way. Some are very strong, to the point of fact,
others are, you know, very weak. I think the establishment of Islamic
epistemology is so critical for people to realize that we admit
transmitted knowledge, science, observable knowledge, and rational
conclusions, essentially equally, with the exception that the trends
are the word of Allah subhanaw taala is the referee between all
of them. Right which is the word of Allah being transmitted
knowledge Quran and what to watch it Hadith very strong a hadith
would be at the level of you fetal meaning, it's that it's it is
certain knowledge, not speculative knowledge and is the ultimate
referee of all other sources and
statements from each of these sources of knowledge,
transmission, observation and reason. Yeah, exactly. And mass
transmitted. We spent a little bit of time speaking about mass
transmitted knowledge
that a lot of people will say a skeptics will say, for example,
that, Oh, we don't admit mass transmitted knowledge. But when
you're dealing with reasonable people, almost all of our
knowledge is mass transmitted. Yeah, most of it, right?
Especially if you're studying with a teacher, even scientific
knowledge is mass transmitted, because you don't see.
You don't have access to let's say, Einstein, you know, when you
first wrote his theories, you're relying on the transmission of
those those things to you. I mean, it's close to what we haven't had
teeth as most of feed. So most of the field is one person heard
something. But then so many people trusted them that it became mass
transmitted. Well, likewise, how many people have seen the sperm
under a microscope, how many people have seen a cell, but then
it gets printed by publishers, because we trust them. And it's
pretty hard to say that they're lying. And then it becomes mass
transmitted. This is what a cell looks like, this is what an atom
looks like. But most scientists have never seen it, right. They're
just there. They don't have time to, there's no time to go and
double check for myself, every single thing I see in the
textbook. Absolutely. So
of what what shake most of us somebody calls contingent
knowledge
element had, and one of the anxieties that people have in
asserting an epistemology is that they say look like our knowledge
is contingent, and we can be deceived. We entrust transmission,
we can't trust our senses. We can't trust this XYZ. So Sheikh
Hamza says that, well, this is the whole point of our knowledge being
contingent. That because it's contingent, because it's dependent
on something else, it's possible that it could be wrong, right? And
if it's wrong, okay, then you find the truth. And then you realize
it's the truth. And you say, Okay, I was wrong. It's as simple as
that. Yeah. And this is where actually, we assert our
epistemology. We base a lot of the trust that we have, in our senses
in our rational capabilities and things of this nature, in
understanding that our contingent knowledge points to unnecessary
bait. So this is a brilliant argument, by the way that I don't
think a lot of people have heard. And I've never heard this
argument, right. And this is something that most of us already
makes, he says that the only thing you need to prove unnecessary
mean, this is not the contingency argument either this is a
different one. Only thing you need to prove unnecessary being that
has non contingent knowledge, is knowledge is infinite,
independent, independent, is just to look at your own knowledge.
And you say, Okay, what if you know, my knowledge, or my senses
are deceiving me doesn't matter. Right? Because deceptions are a
thing, right? Yeah. So let's say you are hallucinating or illusion,
you ask yourself, well, is my knowledge contingent?
And the answer is, yes. You had it one time you didn't. You didn't
have it at one time. Now you have it.
Now you ask yourself, Okay, what is the cause of my knowledge? So
let's say, I'm looking at a tree, the cause of my knowledge is that
the impressions of the tree, impressing in my mind? Yeah.
Okay, it's the cause of my knowledge contingent.
They say, well, the tree is contingent. Yes. My sense is
telling me that,
well, if the cause of my knowledge is contingent, and my knowledge is
contingent,
that how, how did I get my knowledge in the first place?
There must if every single cause of my knowledge is contingent,
that means there's absolutely no basis for my knowledge, there must
my contingent knowledge must be based and supported and have a
foundation of some type of necessary knowledge. Yeah, yeah.
And this is the necessary thing. And so that's it's almost like a
brick arch. Exactly where nothing's holding it together,
except all of them are leaning upon each other. So there, there
has to be at some point that they hit the ground. Exactly. That's
and they rest upon something of a firm foundation. Yeah, exactly.
And this is this argument. It's called the argument from
contingent knowledge. Yeah, I think it's very brilliant. And
this actually avoids a lot of the issues that people bring up when
they are being skeptical about can I trust my knowledge, there is
well if your contingent knowledge, your fallible knowledge, you have
it because there is some type of necessary necessary being with
infinite knowledge. And this means yes, you can trust your knowledge
because there isn't necessarily being at the foundation of your
knowledge. And so as we start from this, like the discussions
We'll get into the other arguments we get into contingency when we
get into KCA. But this is like the firm footing where now you could
you could argue now you could debate now you could let's have a
discussion. Right? Once someone doesn't hold their knowledge to be
absolute in any way, you've actually undermined your
conclusion. Your assertions are exactly the same as those who say
that are we don't even we're not even sure if we truly exist. When
we say okay, good. In that case, your conclusion may not exist,
none of your knowledge is could exist either. So I have no needs
to talk to you. Right? You're you basically are pulling out
of any claims. Exactly. When you when you undermine your knowledge
or your existence. And what's so important. What's so awesome is
like, if you say I don't exist, well, that statement itself, yeah.
wouldn't have gotten to you. You wouldn't have been able to know
that statement because it's contingent, you know, that before.
Now, you know that, okay, I don't exist. You wouldn't have known
that if there wasn't a necessary big, yes, that statement itself,
the statement itself eats itself, because if you say, Our existence
is speculative, like we make, we may be existing, we may be in a
dream, we may be holograms,
created by a greater being or whatever.
You asserting it. Absolutely. Right. You're making a firm
ascertain assertion, but you're undermining the one making the
assertion assertion. So therefore, the assertion itself is invalid.
Exactly. Yeah. And, and so the other thing that Kalam gives us so
the first thing that kind of 3.0 this this new reformation is not
reformation. I guess. It's the next step. Because Kalam always
comes as a response. Exactly. When people say why don't you just use
the Quran? Okay, wonderful. We use the Quran. We use the Quran as a
foundation, and telling us giving us points of what to do. Because
if someone wants to say, Hey, listen, I need to know if such and
such a contract is valid. I need to fatwah that this contract is
valid for me to buy my house with. You don't say get verses of the
Quran. Know the Quran is the foundation. Okay? That's the
foundation upon which everything is built. Alright, so you but you
need a fatwa, you don't need a verse, you're not gonna get a
verse telling you if your contract if this contract made by a non
Muslim bank is valid for you, likewise atheist, he's making the
claim he has to be answered, right? So it just it's a type of I
have to say, beginner's mentality, that hey, everything's in the
Quran. So I need exact just a verse and no scholarship. This was
actually the way the Kira dites they didn't believe in any
scholarship you only give me a verse of Quran and that's it. So
we say about this that the Quran is the foundation of fatawa an
ailment Kalam essentially is a fatwa on how to answer an atheist.
And no one doubts nobody ever doubts that we need fits our in
FIP. So why don't you doubt that we need fits our in updated?
Atheists so and so Falun has said such and such I need the photo? Is
it right or wrong? Can I believe it or not? Yeah, just a good way
of looking at it. Yeah.
So the so moving on the the next contribution that Sheikh Hamza
says that we should bring to the modern discussion is the Kalam
3.0. As I mentioned, with this argument, it should focus on
stressing contingency, right? For the regular person, what is
contingency? I'll get right into that. So stressing contingency and
what we call modalities, things, this is what our scholars did very
well. And also defining so these three things definition,
contingency and modalities. So for those of you listening that are
not familiar with these concepts, very simply, contingency does just
means dependence dependence, something is dependent, something
is defined something needs something else. Right. So, that
concept is called contingency. So, for example, if you have a cup in
front of you, with some water in it, that cup is contingent, and
it's, you know, if for somebody that's it's not obvious for, for
example, the dimensions of the cup or certain way, right, the there
are oxidation reactions happening with the material of the cup as we
speak. So it's changing changes in indication of dependence, because
it was a certain way now it's not right. So the cup the the change
of the cup is dependent on something else, right.
A cup is dependent on the atoms of the cup to be in a certain way.
Right? The cup is dependent on the quarks inside those atoms is
dependent upon the oxygen around to make the glass and the gravity
for it to settle. Yep, exactly. It's dependent on so many things.
It's dependent on a lot of things. And at this moment, as you're
looking at the cup, right now, you can make the contingency argument
with the cup right in front of you. You don't need to speak about
the the beginning of the universe or the back, you can make the
contingency argument right by looking at the cup, that look this
cup, this contingent thing.
It logically follows that there must be something necessary,
something foundational that's making that exist. Yeah. Because,
yeah, I love when they establish or link contingency to morals.
Yeah, yes. Because if all morals are merely just what humans agree
on,
or what humans feel,
then nothing is absolute. Right? There's no nothing absolutely
wrong, just because it is it's either wrong because we all agree
on it. Society agrees on it or cute, it doesn't make you feel
right. Right. So therefore, okay, if I take a little girl five years
old, and and throw her into a vat of hot oil, you're telling me that
that's not absolutely wrong. Right? That's an argument from
absurdity, right? Like you, you must tell us that that is absolute
let's, let's expand that to some of the really
sensitive crimes that have happened to the Jews. So Hitler
killing 6 million Jews was wrong because Western society deemed it
wrong. Or because it just feels wrong? Or because it's absolutely
wrong. Right. Or the transatlantic slave trade? Was that absolutely
wrong?
Or just maybe we're all those kids getting raped in Boy Scouts.
Right? One guy just came in New York Times he got raped so many
times in Boy Scouts, that he his rear can no longer hold in the
defecation? Who has a diaper?
So are you are we saying that that is that that is abuse? Because it
feels wrong? Or society or is absolutely wrong? So it leads to
an absurdity to and a disgusting absurdity to say that there is no
moral absolute will who only an absolute Being agent can create an
absolute moral wrong. Right? Exactly. Yeah. And in this case,
only an absolute Being that can determine everything else without
itself being determined, can be foundation of reality. Yes. Great.
And this is an I'll, you know, I'll give the formal structure of
the contingency argument a little bit later. But this one fact this
arguing for a necessary beam. This is the thing missing in the
conversation with atheists, with naturalist with all these other
people. Because when the Christians are doing it, the
Christians they don't want to actually argue for unnecessary me,
even though they believe that you know, God is necessary. Because
what what ends up happening? If you argue that God is a necessary
beam, and then you say, well believe in reincarnation, I
believe that man is a god. You know, the scientist goes, what,
like, you just told us that? Yeah, sorry, being the reality. Yeah. So
how can like unnecessary being be determined at the same time? It
doesn't make any sense? So, yeah, can you explain for people now you
spend contingency? And now we're saying we're talking a lot about
absolutes? Necessary being existing by necessity? Could you
explain that a little more? Yeah. So
let me just talk about the contingency argument, then maybe
it'll click for some people. If you look at the cup in front of
you,
that cup could have been another way.
And I'm, I'm speaking at this point in time, not in the past,
not in the future. At this point in time, as you're looking at the
cup. You ask yourself, it could have been another way. It could
have been bigger, it could have been smaller, it could have been
different color, so many different properties. It could have been
right. And you ask yourself, Okay, what is making the cup the way it
is right now? Right now?
I'm not gonna assume anything, nothing's assumed. And then you
say, Okay, it's the it's the material, the cup, the plastic.
And then you say, Okay, it's the past contingent right now. And
yes, it's it could have been another way. The plastic molecules
could have arranged themselves in a different way. It could have
been more heat resistant, less heat resistant. It could have been
a different color, right? It could have had
I'd bph, like the harmful chemical or whatever, all those things,
right? And they say, okay, the plastics contingent. So what's
making the plastic the way it is? And you say, okay, the atoms
inside the plastic, right? The molecules? And then you ask
yourself, Okay, are the molecules contingent? And the answer is yes,
it could, it could have been another way. That could have been
different molecules, right? In a different configuration, that if
you switched up the molecules, the cup would have turned into water.
Or the cup could have turned into some other other thing. Right?
Okay, so you say, Okay, it's not the atoms, it's not the molecules?
What are the molecules made out of? Okay? They're made out of
atoms, the atoms are made out of quarks are quarks contingent as
well? are they dependent on something? Could they have been
another way? And you say, Well, yes, a different configuration of
quarks. You could have the atomic bomb inside your house. Right? So
okay, but they're not they're in this plastic cup. So what's making
the quarks in that specific arrangement? And you go down, you
go, you keep going down, at every single level, you will find
something contingent.
And the assertion is that what's making the cup, the way it is in
front of you right now cannot be a contingent thing.
Because if it was a contingent thing, you get this infinite
regress, right? You get this infinite chain of contingent
things that they could have been another way they could have been
another way. But it's like this, they could have been another way.
But it's like this. So what's making it that that way? And you
keep going down to a foundation of reality, where nothing makes it
any sort of way. But it makes everything the way it wants? Yeah.
This is what a necessary being is that nothing makes it the way it
is. This is the definition of Summit. And
so to the first, so nothing makes it nothing determines if nothing
puts a restriction on it in any way. But it chooses and restricts
and makes everything the way it is. Yeah. Right. So there must be
some type of foundation for reality in that way. So at this
moment, as you're looking at the cup, it is contingent, and it
points to a necessary being that's keeping you in that way, at this
moment in front of you right now.
The continuous your urine and stability is stability only exists
because people
true stability exists only because of an absolute. And relative
stability exists when other relative things are treated as
absolute. Right. Yeah. If you think about it in everyday life,
right, like the rules, the institutions, that the only way to
be stable is we almost we almost sort of treat them that way.
Right? And only people who are really like ambitious, say to
themselves Hold on a second. Why does it have to be that way?
Right. And they are the ones who disrupt and transform, and they
upset everyone in the beginning, because Hold on, you're disrupting
our stability here. Right. But then they become the revolutionary
they bring some new industry they change things up. But human
stability, yeah, we can almost argue that this is a it's built in
us. Yeah, to need stability. Yeah,
exactly. They, every human being every child wants stability. Now,
when we start tracing, if we are built to desire stability, there
must be an actual stability, not an imagined stability.
And so we can all say that this almost transmits even to our
fitrah. It's, it's has there's a Fitzy element to it, the need and
the craving for stability, for an for absolute stability. And it's
it's almost it's necessary, right? Yeah. And this is what I was going
to mention about modality, that the discussion, when we have these
types of discussions in color, we speak about things that are
necessary, possible that are impossible, right? Like in all
worlds and all circumstances because of the laws of logic.
Things are actual meaning they actually exist, and things that
are continual like habits. Irons, right? So these are what we call
modalities, in the language of modality, everything that we see
around us, including ourselves, or we're possible beings, because we
could have been a certain way, we could have been another way.
Right? And the argument that I just gave a couple minutes ago.
It proves to us that every possible being required
unnecessary being to exist
Hmm. And so, so yeah, so this is, uh, you know, I really love this
argument. And I think I remember I told you like a very long time
ago. And I also told me this that the contingency argument is like,
you know, it's, it's irrefutable. To me at least you can. Yeah,
continue. So I just think like, this is the strongest argument
ever, because you don't need to assume anything. You other person
could be saying, Oh, I don't exist. Right. Okay. Okay. Let's
take it for granted. You don't exist. Let's work with the thought
that you have. You don't exist. Where did you get that? Yeah,
right. Okay. Everything's an illusion. Right? Fine. Illusions
are a thing. Which are illusions. Okay. Yeah, we can. Everything has
ingredients. Yeah. Yeah. No matter what the other person says. Yeah.
Yes. argument works. Yeah.
And it can be reduced easily. You tell someone very simply that so
and so had a mom, so and so at a mom, that's a grandma, then you
have a great grandma, and then a great, great grandma, then a
great, great, great grandma. All right. Well, eventually, there has
got to be the first grandma because you're like, again, your
instinct, your fitrah itself will not accept
and non stop chain of grandmas right. So likewise, dominoes, you
hit one domino, and it keeps going and going and going and going and
go, Well, why are we chase tracing it? Because we want to see where
the first one is? And you say to someone, no, don't even bother.
There's no first one. It's gonna just keep going all the way down.
It's absurd. That that those two examples you gave? Yeah, that's
actually the Kalam Cosmological Argument, which talks about events
in the past.
I talk about the current This one talks about right here. So the
example would be you're falling off of a ledge. Right. Okay,
you're in the air. Yeah. And
somebody says, Oh, no, you won't fall off. You're in the air, you
won't fall off. And I say, Well, why wouldn't you fall up? It's
like, Look, somebody else is holding on to his leg.
And then I say, and then he says, Oh, look, there's 20 people
holding onto his leg. Yeah, he's not gonna follow up. Yeah. Right.
And I say no, like, in order to not fall out. He has to be holding
a branch. He has a person, you have the person. And the person
says, no, no, look, there's an infinite number of people holding
on to his leg. There's no way he's gonna fall off. But But look, he's
the dudes not holding on to a branch, all of them are gonna
fall. Right? So this is the contingency argument. Right? It's
very powerful. Yeah. And this stream we talked about Dawa in
East Africa with the most basic and simple of people. Well, we
don't live there though. We live here. We have to know that in the
Western Hemisphere and city folk will deal with other smart people.
It becomes a necessary knowledge it for anybody who either a wants
to do Dawa be has children who are going to get exposed to smart
people or the internet,
okay, or see themselves are exposed to clever people and need
to protect yourself. It literally for some people, it could become a
footnote.
Because it's an obligation to guard your Eman from doubters,
doubters are all over the internet and all over the world that we
live in. So therefore, that which is needed to fulfill an obligation
becomes an obligation. That's the principle here that which is
needed to fulfill the obligation of of refuting these ideas, that
itself becomes an obligation. All right, so
people should study itemId Qlm they should listen to Knauss
podcasts. He has a live stream recently on why people are what
are the some of the reasons people leave Islam and what are some of
the answers to those things? And who did you do it with?
Dr. Yusuf Osmond Lu, can can you go to SoundCloud if inside his
SoundCloud page,
get that link and put it here? Because that was another one and
he's somebody who's interested in animal kingdom too.
And go to the Sierra education.com or.org It's there in
the in the stream, go there and lists and start taking the classes
with Hamza Karmali and inshallah soon. You're
your book is going to come out soon. Inshallah Tada, this
extremely important book that's going to come out on the problem
of evil, which again, is something that nobody can deny that it's all
over the place. Good. People are complaining and using this notes
on Safina Saudis page, people are using this argument
popularly and in a contrived way, right. It's not just
that people you just pass it
Yeah, they're not the one. Yeah, this one copy the link there.
They're using this argument and people naturally use this
argument. You have to have an answer. If it's an obligation for
us to protect people's Eman and our own human, then it is an
obligation for us to learn these things and to know these things.
So what else do you have? Should we take some questions that you
got from the stream? Sure, sure. I just want to just make one more.
One more contribution, which is I just want to look at a case study.
Yeah. Hamza gave you and show you how Kalam 3.0 would respond to
that. All right, go ahead. So very popular argument now among
naturalist and you'll find this with university professors, even
if you take a psychology degree, any anybody, right?
Is that our human mind? is a product of evolution number one,
right? And Daniel Dennett makes this argument.
Richard Dawkins as well. So if our human minds are a product of
evolution, then detecting agency detecting causation, right,
wanting to, you know, have a god to believe in, let's say, these
are agents of survival. Right? That's, that's the whole
evolutionary thing is all about survival, nothing more. Yeah, it's
all about survival. So if our perceptions and our minds are just
designed for survival, then all these design are these evidences
that we get forgotten. All the things that the Quran talks about
that look, the rain is evidence for God to see the the the animals
the bee, right? This all this fact code, this cannot be admitted as
evidence. We just do this. Because our minds are created for
survival, we look at things they're designed. And that's why,
you know, like, we believe in God and all this other stuff, right?
Very, very, like a lot of people get shaken up by this argument.
And what Kalam, most people do, like, you know, people online,
and that is, they start to undermine evolution, and they
attack science. And they'll look at the scientific method. And then
they'll demolish that, right? Can entrepreneur says, Look, we don't
need to do that. Let's look at the premises, or minds are a product
of evolution. So our thoughts, they're all a product of
evolution. Let's look at that first premise. Ignore everything
else. Let's look at that first premise. Yeah. Ask, is that really
true? You're treating it as absolute? You're treating it as an
absolute? Exactly. Yeah. So
is that really true that the mind is a product of evolution? And all
of our thoughts, all of our perceptions of design are just,
you know, just meant for survival? Is that true? And the answer is
no, that's not true. Because remember, we spoke about our
epistemology that we know a lot of things that our body that are
innate within us, and we know them to be true. And, okay, they help
us in evolution, that's great. But that doesn't mean that somehow
they're false. Right? Like, my senses are telling me that the sun
is very hot, and I shouldn't look at it. Okay, it's good for
evolution for survival. But it doesn't mean it's false. Right?
The sun is hot.
Right, just because it helps in survival does not necessitate that
it's false. And on top of that, if everything is merely established
for only exists for us, just for the sake of survival, that
conclusion itself, right? Becomes undermined. Exactly. Right. And
this is the planting
argument from naturalism to undermine knowledge. So science
itself becomes undermined, right? Yeah. So. So this is how a column
3.0 approach would be, it wouldn't be to respond to every single
point.
It would be to find that one point that one assumptions on which the
whole argument stands, and we look at that assumption. And then we
look at it from our epistemology and say, Look, you're you're
leaving other parts of the picture uncovered. You're saying this, you
know, all of our minds are products, products of evolution,
all of our thoughts? Where's the evidence for that? Right? I know a
lot of things that they they don't help us survive, but we know them.
And some things, they help us survive and we know them or
knowledge is contingent. So yeah, the brother said that you had
earlier said when regarding evolution, that you had said that
a certain data point is missed out and that there is a Creator and
the Quran telling us about Prophet Adam and he says, Well, how do you
say this to an atheist? So I'm going to answer them you told me
what Sheikh Hamza Karmali would have said to miss this, the answer
is that you're not attacking you're not getting offering him
the Quran.
And as a proof, because you don't accept the Quran, what you're
saying is your epistemology is limited, you have limited certain
knowledge merely to what science can empirically prove. That's your
problem. You have to admit transmitted knowledge.
So I recently said to a young man, prove to me that George Washington
existed prove it to me scientifically.
Right? And he said, Well, you know, we really can't do that
scientifically. So that's why maybe it's at a conspiracy, too.
So I said, Okay, then, well, why then, how then, would all of the
history books written about the United States, even in England,
which has made the England it was the loser in the war?
Did they all meet? He said, No, no, that's absurd. So it has to be
true. So he understood that tomato does true. Mass transmission does
produce certain knowledge, right? And then once if a scientist or if
a person was to admit that transmission can produce her
knowledge, then we say, Okay, let's look at the transmission of
the Quran or Hadith, then we could go into that realm. So it's not
that the person is using the Quran as a proof to an atheist, it's
saying that the atheists your epistemology has narrowed which
had been a little bit more open.
In terms of sources. Yeah, that's perfect. That's exactly what
Sheikh Hamza would say, because, like I said, Can Auntie point of
the method is not that an ATS says X? Yeah. And then oh, now I have
to respond. No, you asked, okay. Why are you saying this? Yeah. And
then we make our own argument. We say no, the we believe in
Revelation. Here's why. Yeah, we believe that our knowledge is
contingent, and points to unnecessary being, this is the
first thing that we established with the continuance. And here's
why. And because of that, this is a data point that can be included
now. And what's your response to that? Yeah, this is the so we have
to keep the frame in the discussion with us and let them
respond instead of them, keeping the frame and us finding and
reacting to every new show pad that they're giving. And that's
exactly why some people, this is the this is the real problem that
people have with science in the Quran approaches. Yes, because
they've essentially accepted the fact that the only truth Truth can
only be known through science. Yeah, right. And then once you
accept that, okay, we can play you at this game. But you this is not
your game, right? We have to insist that there are other
sources of knowledge, right? Yeah. And one of the insidious things
with just responding and reacting to their worldview is that those
things start to bleed into our worldview and our understanding of
the theme, epistemology. So one very key idea is design, for
example, how we define design, and how the Christians defined design
is actually quite different. So when the Christians are arguing
with atheists and naturalist, what they're trying to show is that
there's a supernatural cause to something in the universe, because
the thing is so complex, it's so complex, like look at, you know,
look at the hand, it's so complex, or look at the bacteria. It's so
complex, there's no way that some other material cause could have
made that. Right. So there must be a supernatural cause. Yeah, right.
This is their this is in the same framework, because the Christian
that are arguing with naturalist and atheists, they're both
materialist. Yeah. Yeah. They're saying there must be a supernet.
Okay, it's not a cause, like you and me, like, you know, Bob and
Joe or whatever. But it's a bigger Bob and Joe bigger, you know, and
that's exactly what William Lane Craig, you know, when he was
speaking with Roger Penrose, so Roger Penrose, this is exactly
what he said. He said, Look, there are three types of existent
things. There's, there's either a mind, there's either something
material, right? There's either something
sorry, two types, right? There's only two category of existing
things. So the cause of the universe, it can't be material. So
must be a mind. It's a it's a
it's an all powerful mind. It's an all powerful person. That's
mental. This is not how we define God. Yeah. Yeah. No, no Muslim
would define God like this. Yeah. Our definition of God. And our
definition of design is that God is a necessary being who's
volitional. Right. He's a necessary being who's volitional.
And the point of design is to show that he's volitional designs to
show that he has a will. He's doing things on purpose. Exactly.
So another way of putting what you're saying is that you're
saying that the Christians have accepted at the naturalists
premise that causes and effects are actually absolutes. It
They're necessary absolutes. Yep. And we say they're not necessarily
absolutes. Right water makes things wet fire makes things burnt
only because Allah Juana that way absolutely cute very simply could
have caused water to burn and fire to make what? Right so they're so
witches were miracles in the Christian world is such a big deal
in the Western Hemisphere, it is such a big deal. But from the
Islamic premise is really not a big deal. It's it's, it's, there's
no difference in Allah's Will, between a miracle and a regular
everyday happening, except that one is he's made common.
And one is an exception. That's it. In essence, in the essence of
it. There's, there's there's nothing that needs explanation.
Right? Like causes and effect are never the explanation of anything.
The cause, and the effects have nothing to do with each other.
Allah has just brought them together, so we can be sane. And
we could manipulate them, study them, use them for everyday life
and not go crazy. If everyday gravity was different, we go
crazy, right?
And then the miracle is just something it's a different way of
doing something reaching the conclusion, so that we can realize
that Allah is nearer to us. That's really all it is. As a result in
that world, in the Islamic world, cut on mats and cut on mats happen
all the time, and people keep walking, right? It's not says
like, Oh, hello. So we got to stop and take pictures and everything.
No, it's just something that happens. And we have such a sane
or such a sober view of Quran that we say okay, yes, it was a nice
cut. It's a gift from Allah. Don't let get to your head and go
astray. Right. Whereas in the Christian world, you see, like
five miracles in the last century reported in the Catholic world.
Sheikh Mohammed did, Jacobi said that he when he was young, there
was a Quran every day with his dad. Right? And the family would
say, okay, just don't don't talk about it to your friends in
school. Right? Don't say anything. Keep it just is something between
us and Allah. Right?
Oh, yeah. So they have taken that on nature as an absolute. It's
because they don't. They've abandoned the concept. So modality
that we spoke about, they think scientific causes are necessary
things, right? How the scientist and naturalist This is the
worldview that they're coming from. Yeah, that that fire burns
is necessary. That's not just a possible and continual thing that
we see. But it's it's, you know, ontologically necessary, which is
interesting, because that's a philosophical statement. It is.
Absolutely. It's not scientific at all. Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
That's where we have to respond. That's where scientism is a
philosophy has, that has nothing to do that's bit maybe based upon
scientific evidence. But it isn't separate philosophy that people
have to understand the scientism is a philosophy. It's not science.
scientism is never born in a lab. It's born in people, people's
brains, right? It's it's conclusions made by people's
intellects. And those conclusions have to be put to the test. And
it's not being tested in beakers and labs is being tested with
logic and on paper.
And that's really the biggest thing where science is not just
advancing, it's these departments are promoters of scientism, as
well, as well, because early fought back in the day we have to
buy in. Right. And this is it's interesting, where it's it's a
very strange segue. But when people this is but it does sort of
make sense. You'll see how there is a parallel here, when people
talk a lot about instead of artha. Being Schick right, it's about the
asking someone dead to help you. We can say listen, say It's haram
say it's an innovation, no problem. But why would you say it
should? Because they because you're assigning power to someone
other than Allah, right? Like waves like what difference does it
make if he was alive or dead in that case, right.
That's so important in that case, the issue the person, exactly,
that's where your real problem and this is going to come in ArcView
in a humbly fit class in ArcView, right, that shift us have been
sodic talks at length about this is like your issue is that you are
assigning because the in the Aveda, they believe in quadra,
being with other than Allah. If so, you think that if I asked
somebody alive today that they have Quadra? No, they have no
power. You can ask somebody alive he has no power. Yeah, someone
dead he has no power only difference, the fair the fair
criticism is there's no certainty.
There's no reason to believe that someone that can help you. So
you're basically talking to the air. You're talking to a wall.
That's that's a fair argument, right? No, there's no hard textual
factual, scriptural evidence leads
Such a tragedy
on the side scriptural evidence that someone in his grave can hear
you and help you. So in that case, it still wouldn't be sure it would
be simply like talking to a wall. Right? There's no, there's no,
you're it's useless, the maximum that it could get is useless.
Right. But the prop the what Schiff use have been sort of said
is that the the foundational error is the misappropriation of divine
power. And in our Aki that we hold that Allah has not even given
divine power to anybody, he hasn't given to anybody. Right? Well,
your camera just went off. Yep, he hasn't given divine power to
anybody. Nobody has divine power, living or dead.
And that's the biggest difference. And if a person was to believe
that a human being has power, has the ability leant on loan from
Allah, then you've exited Edison, as a member, dear says, you're an
innovator. And if you believe he has power, independent of Allah,
then you're a Kaffir. Right. So we don't hold that anyone has power
in the first place. And that's what was one of his defenses. In
that course, that is still out. There's not sure. But the point
being is that the argument is based on an assumption, we have to
look at the assumption. Yeah, and what you were just saying is the
assumption of Christians that have Christian theological approaches,
that causes and effect have absolute power. So again, it's a
subject of quadra, like, what do they believe about? Could they
believe that water actually what's fire actually burns? Stuff like
that. Gravity actually pulls. God came into time, and he died on the
cross. Yeah. So I mean, what's the biggest, there could not be a
bigger assertion of cause and effect there? Right? Yeah. God,
God is determined by the causes and effects of the world that he
created. They believe that. So yeah, here's a good question for
you. Can you explain how learning this knowledge increases are?
Amen?
Um, well, I'll just talk about it for me personally, right?
Is that if I believe that something is true, yep. And at the
back of my mind, I am a type of evidential. So I think most people
tend to, you know, are that they want some type of proof for what
they believe. It could be any type, it could be a proof, like,
let's say somebody they admire says, Oh, I believe this, that's,
that could be a proof for them. Right? It could be that, you know,
they some experience that they had, it convinces them or has good
for them. But for me, like, I feel that if Islam really is true,
then it should if this is the kalam from God, then it should
speak to every single thing in the universe. That you know, Nursey
side Neurosci Rahim Allah, he said that God created two books, there
are two plants. One is the Quran of the code of the universe. And
the other is the Quran of his speech. And they have to align,
because like if I created a table, and then my, my, you know, the
Ikea, Ikea things you get in the box, and the instructions are
absolutely wrong. Yep. Like the instructions for how to build a
car, then you would know, okay, whoever put this together, they're
confused. Yeah. So this is why I believe that investigating
scientific truths, right, investigating these types of
arguments, like for me personally increases my email, because I see
the correspondence between what we actually have in the world and
what Allah saying, in the Quran
match, the more that you can present that they match. Not only
that, you must dismantle claims that they don't match. Exactly.
You have to dismantle that becomes an obligation. And Allah gave us a
brain, he gave us eyes. And he gave us a book, get what my eyes
see what my brain thinks, and what The Book says. They have to be in
line because they're all from the same creator. And that's what I
believe it was tough as any spoke about to knock with it, but I'll
hint, right that there can never be all of these are divine proofs.
Right? Every creation points back to its creator, guy. Absolutely.
And our brain has created the world is created. The Quran is the
word of Allah, uncreated directly from Allah, the Prophet.
Messenger ship is a created message to us, right? Every
messenger is a created, you know, messenger to us. So all of these
things must align. And when you get a puzzle, and you put it and
you have the pieces together, you lay out a puzzle 500 pieces, and
you say this puzzle will produce this picture. All right, we all
believe it. But it's so wonderful to start seeing the pieces come
together. And then when you
We put it you're like, Oh, this is amazing. Well, you you believe
that in the first place, there was no difference in your belief. But
now you are now more amazed and in awe by this creator. When you see
these things coming together, it's not Allah saints and the students
at Enron think and look and think and look, why what's the end
result? So that you could say subhanallah? Alright, this is an
amazing creation, and that that is the end.
That is the goal
of all contemplation. The goal of all contemplation is to come to
the aggrandizing of the Creator.
Absolutely, yeah. Well, thank you very much. It's now 258 Just a
colloquium for coming on and we will have you on this is our oz.
Nas is our
Qalam correspondent, the official Safina society Kadem
correspondent, every time that he dips into the world of quantum, we
may not hold him up for another hour, like this time, maybe it'll
be just 20 minutes or something. But in the future, we'll see more
of NAS. He's our Kadem correspondent. And I think that if
we can make it practical for you, you just hop on drop us some
nuggets and gems every few days, every few weeks or so 1015
minutes. Because one of the things about this podcasts that we
started as FanSided podcasts that was started by Maureen and this
live stream, and our organization in general is that we are pretty
heavy on admin Killam it's one of the many things we do
the Dawa the charity work with the soup kitchen FIP to solve this all
youth work. That's all part of it. But Calum has a very, very heavy
part of it. Because we hold it to be necessary to many intellectuals
and philosophers out there laying traps for people. So it's not
going to be learned by a course it's going to be learned by
irregular pecking away. Regular dripping to the point that people
on the stream if they've been listening for a few months should
have heard the similar things 5678 times. That's our goal. All right.
So now is we're going to be calling you back inshallah.
Inshallah. All right, thank you for allowing me to take that
course. And, you know, I'll probably be doing more of this
type of research and inshallah I'm glad to share the board you poke
us every time you're ready to come on for even for 15 minutes.
Just like a welcome and thank you so much. So like, why are you
gonna sit down I'm gonna hold your light but it gets ladies and
gentlemen update back to school drive is this Saturday, September
2, Amazon link, where is it?
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contributing to the wish list. What is the wish list?
Amazon wishlist pencils, pens, Trapper keepers, erasers, okay,
folders. What you don't get Trapper keepers for the kids. Yes.
You don't know what a trapper keeper is?
A trap. A pencil case. You guys don't know what a trapper keeper
is? Oh my gosh. All right, a trapper keeper. It's this really
snazzy.
It's like a It's got a cover. You close it as velcro inside the
Trapper Keeper. It's three rings, okay. And you put folders in
there. Okay. And in the folders like science folder math folder.
You could put loose leaf paper, and then in those in the edges of
the Trapper Keeper. You have files and folders, that flaps you can
put your papers in there. Guys don't know what a trapper keeper
is.
It's not a binder, no, not really a binder is it.
You push the lever down, it opens up Yeah. And you put your files in
it to you call it a binder. Alright.
Listen
put the put the link up and then show the audience a picture of a
trapper keeper first put the link bookbags pencils, papers, all
sorts of things. Okay.
All right now, I got to see what the latest latest on the world of
trap. We used to compete in who has the coolest Trapper Keeper,
okay.
Oh, yeah, everything go look up Trapper keepers. You see that?
They're called Trapper Keeper. Yeah, I just got you to high
school.
Are you serious?
Exactly. Yes, can put put pictures,
put pictures up.
And we'll see my day. They didn't have a hand
endl a little cooler than that.
Yeah, put put up those ones with the with the with all the
the fluorescent colors because that's the type of thing we used
to get in school. Laminated
Yeah, lots of Trapper Keeper. Exactly. Yeah
yeah, you open it and it's got Velcro a Velcro case you open it
up yeah
people don't need that for school I guess anymore Hmm
It's funny because the first thing when it comes up it says trapper
keeper and the one of the Google things is 80s
Yeah,
so and then the Trapper Keeper makes folders to write and you
stick your folder in there for math or English or what have you.
Okay, great. Yeah, we're just
making a whole new section
yeah
be tracked clicking the link and then do an open image in new tab.
You might have downloaded the web link instead
with the first one just check the timestamp
Yeah, it should be in that file.
So quickly jpg file. Yeah, the first one
is that it?
Keep up with the bubbles.
Yeah
do you guys don't know what a trapper keeper is? That's crazy.
But have you seen this thing before in school? And, and they
used to come in awesome guys, and we get mine. Shiny. First of all,
all every year a different Trapper Keeper.
Every year you get different Trapper Keeper and new sneakers
because they're like antiques, like first day of school, you get
new clothes. You get new sneakers and you get new Trapper Keeper.
new set of pencils new set of erasers you can't go to school
with with with
old stuff on the first day.
Yeah, the school is now gives out laptops. So go to Amazon, go to
the link we supplied and help purchase glue sticks. Go back to
that so I can read it off.
Right.
glue sticks, loose leaf paper. crayons, pencils, pens, dry erase
markers. Okay.
Yeah, so that's what we need.
Taalib Rossi says many African cultures have monotheism before
Islam, yes, because every nation used to get profits. So it's no
surprise that they believe in one God. In some tribes. I haven't
heard of Islam. But they still have to accept the prophets of
Allah when he was under them. And they have to slough off the old
law that they were upon. If they have preserved it. Of course, it
wasn't even preserved. Right? But if it was preserved, let's say
hypothetically, you go to a tribe and they say, Oh no, this here is
the scroll directly that our prophet wrote prophets so and so.
And we find in it has Allah angels last day so doctor does all the
same that confirms to us its truthfulness. But then they have
different laws, like no limit on wives, for example. Maybe doesn't
say say alcohol doesn't maybe not forbidden, things like that. No
rules on financial rules, like ribbon, no inheritance laws, for
example, inherit how you wish that they're ancient, the laws of past
profits, let's say hypothetically,
we would say wonderful, okay, now you're you're being tested now.
Because now that you know that there is another of profit.
Here, that's now your tests. This is now the man and this is no
longer sufficient. Up to now your piety and keeping to that old
book, and that old prophet was your test. But now that you have
learned about a new prophet, now this is insufficient would never
say it's irrelevant. It's the holy words of Allah and His teaching of
a prophet how
However, it's
incomplete. You must now believe in the new prophet. And we have to
convince you of his prophecy to there's an anyone walks in and say
there's a new prophet, not accepting it convince us. So
what's the proof, which we have to now do that. And then we would
say, you are now no longer. Once you believe in this new prophet,
you're no longer allowed to follow that old law and those old
prayers, right? And those old ways of doing things. Now you have to
pray for the way the Prophet Muhammad prayed, you must follow
him to a Zulu watch walkthrough. You must honor him follow him.
I'll see Allah out the order soon. Okay. And you can honor those old
books, no doubt about it, and we will honor it with you. But we
don't follow it anymore. This is what we follow. There's a new
passport now. Okay. The old passport is no longer recognized.
You want to keep it keep it, but it's no longer recognized. And on
top of that, the language that used to say, let's say that you
had a word for God, you could say this, we're just saying God right
now, right? As must be some Germanic word or some Aryan word
for God right for Allah. That's the name of Allah in some
language. Fine, you can use that. But not in the
in the ritual prayer, you're going to use Allah in the ritual prayer
outside that you want to pray to God, he see your Tala bras as
saying waka the guy. Yeah, no problem in regular speech, and in
supplications, outside of Salah.
But you can't know but inside solids different. So there's some
parameters here. Can they go visit the grave of their old profit and
honor him? Of course they can. In Yemen they go to under the hood
and it wasn't even their profit, right?
Profit is made is buried in we know a profit is made did not the
Prophet himself so Allah He sent him a message visit the grave of
Musa so we're allowed to go visit the graves of old prophets of pre
Islamic prophets, of course, how could you not? How could you not
honor that prophet? So that's a hypothetical of course that does
not exist, there's no record are no evidence that any religion has
been preserved of the past scriptures, even the Torah and the
NG, which had a full community of support, okay.
They their book is not preserved.
What about the people before that Prophet first of all, any Muslim
who has not received any any human being who has not received the
message of the last and final Prophet salallahu Salam, Muhammad
Sallallahu Sallam will not be judged,
will not be tortured will not be punished. And we'll go over those
evidence there are there is Kalam about it, but this is the
strongest evidence. And that is the Moto moto. That is the ASHRAE
opinion on that. And I believe the Metro add to
why will we not say well, they should be judged by their old
profit No, because that will profit didn't come with the
necessary proofs. He came for the proofs for that time and not
people write the Bible. You're not judged by the Bible. You're not
judged by the Torah. Because
in today's world, they don't have the necessary proofs that a human
being needs. Right the things doesn't match up. The book doesn't
match up with the world around them because it's been altered. So
it's not enough of a Hajah a proof ladies and gentlemen, that brings
us
to the end of this week's okay
that brings us to the end of this week's series of live stream and
we are again support lako Cenas back to school night barbecue for
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