Shadee Elmasry – NBF 21 Struggles of Muslims In France Shaykh Yacine ibn Lotfi
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when the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam received the job of his
jaw, regarding the Zap, the Medina was going to be destroyed. By
these zap these groups, many different groups of pagans came
together to destroy the Muslims and to destroy Medina and destroy
the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam in his mission. And of
course, Allah, Allah would never allow this to happen. But it was
on Wednesday between Dora Nasir that he raised his hand, and he
received the job ever since then,
one of the companions send a jab at him and Abdullah, he says, I
considered Wednesday between Dota and acid, a time that there is an
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need, I turned to Allah in this hour, and I see the effects and
the results of my dua. So we never forget and don't ever enter into
ruffler. Because when we say a set or a period of time, what we mean
by that is, we don't know between Dota and also there is, what's
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of time, in which the day the DUA that we have are answered, and we
ask Allah subhanaw taala to always keep us and inspire our tongue
with what he loves. So he may answer our idea and that we may
increase in our love for Him when we see that our answer our DWIs is
answered. And our needs are fulfilled and our desires are
attained with blessing. So with that, we move to our topic every
Wednesday is the issues of the OMA and today we're going to talk
about Francie. Last week we talked about Sweden.
It's so important as heavy about Masuda dad, he's he never He never
wanted to ever quarrel with another Muslim doesn't mean that
sometimes you bump into another Muslim, and you have some
disagreement, that's fine. But the attitude that we should have, has
to be an attitude that we want, as much as possible to be getting
along and to have a cooler in the middle of winter and echo with the
other believers. Anytime that Muslims fight each other. They're
upon gehad. Okay, it's just that they fight with one another there.
What's every outcome as Allah subhanaw taala says, you differ
with one another, you lose your blessing. So today, we're going to
go deep into the mentality and the mindset and what's going on with
the Muslims in France. I our article today that we're sharing
is from the New York Times that the quiet flight of Muslims from
France and we have a wonderful guest, I'm so happy to have him
here. He's a friend that I could say, someone I've been friends
with for a number of years, even though we never lived in the same
area. But we did study in same WhatsApp groups, etc. And as you
all know, to love it, and it's all connected with WhatsApp groups
these days. And he's a thought of him. And I think now he teaches
considerable Mattoon in the Maliki method in the Arabic language in
our data. And he teaches in Switzerland. He's Swiss. He
studied extensively. He is somebody who I'm very pleased to
have with us his name is you've seen it been lotfy and brother
yesI insha Allah and he's really I should say, Sheikh Eocene because
he is a leader of the Dawa in Switzerland So may Allah subhana
wa COVID If you know Switzerland is divided there is a French part
where they speak French part of that speaks German and Sparta this
piece speaks is more inclined to the Italian side because
Switzerland borders three countries. But yes, Ian has a good
amount of experience with what's happening in France. So yes, and
let me turn it over to you in sha Allah, that you can start telling
us what's going on what is the attitude of Muslims how are they
surviving in France? And
you know, what's the daily life like for Muslim in France?
Rahim Allah for Allah Allah say, you know, whenever you know
first of all, I thank you very much for having me. It's a great
honor for me to be part of your talk, and I hope it will be
beneficial for you for your viewers.
For those who don't know what's going on, in the
region of France, so as I said, myself, I'm from Switzerland, I'm
not French. But given that we are neighbors and friends, we have
common the same language. As people of Geneva speak French, we
have a deep insight and understanding of what's going on.
Also, we, you know, we have many friends, and members of our
organization who are locally living in France.
So what's going on right now in France, for the average Muslim, I
think we can relatively agree that it's becoming harder and harder to
the point that we start to see some people are seriously
considering leaving France.
The reason why this is happening is mainly due to the increase
presence of Islam in the realm of politics, as well as the
presidential campaign. As you know, there are different people
running for president. And one of them is French, who is originally
from Algeria. He is Jewish. And his name is Eric Xu. He is running
for president after being, I think he had a successful career in
journalism. He was in very famous talk shows, you know, discussing
books. He's quite cultivated, he has a very broad knowledge of
things. And the long story short is that he tried to go to the
sunspel, which is the political school where people who want to
end up in politic go to he was rejected, he turned to journalism.
And after about 2030 years, he is now you know, a voice in France.
And the reason why Muslims are thinking about leaving France is
mainly due to his ideas that are part of his campaign. So
his campaign,
if you allow me to start with that touches different aspects, but
mostly what he's talking about is immigration, immigration,
immigration, and Islam, Islam, Islam, this runs through his
mouth, you know, many times during this course. So I have here his
program for 2022.
He wants in regards to Islam. So he has a specific portion of his
program that's about Islam. So he says that he wants to impose
discretion that Muslims do not become or stop being visible, he
wants to stop. He wants to ban hijab from public spaces. That
means a regular Muslim woman will not be able to wear a hijab
on the street, he wants to prohibit the building of minarets,
and big masks, what he calls cathedral masks, so the type of
mask that you will notice, oh, that's a mosque, he wants to
reduce the visibility of Islam in his country. Second thing, he
wants to stop indoctrination, and whatever places are supposedly
promoting jihad, he wants to definitely close them. Number two,
he wants to prohibit Muslim Brotherhood and every other group
that is linked to their ideologies. And thirdly, he wants
to prevent foreign influences
have a strict controls of Imam and you know how how Muslim finance
themselves when it comes to money coming from abroad. And also he
wants to remove or take out of France.
Every foreigner that represents a menace to society, and that are,
you know, they have they have a thing in France, where the
equivalent of the FBI are caught, you know, the, I don't know how
you would say that in English, but everyone who's suspect, they will
put the s. So we say that he's tagged as an S person, usually
people who are, you know,
quote, unquote, extremist for them, then they will be tagged
with the S tag and really extremist as well. So this is, you
know, his program in regards to Islam.
So a lot of people are now fearful. Now what if he becomes
the president, it's going to become harder and harder for me, I
wouldn't be able just to live my everyday Islam, so why not
leaving?
You said he's himself an immigrant from Algeria.
So here's the thing. I think we have to be fair, when we present
you know, people who agree with us and people who disagree with us.
So his story in short, is that he's
Aaron's, you know, are from Algeria. And they were Jewish,
they came to France and he was born in France. And what he did,
what he did was, he assimilated himself. So this is very important
for Americans or, you know, English viewers, you need to
understand that France is very particular, there are two concept
when foreigners come into our country. One is integration.
Integration means that you learn the language, you respect the law,
and you try to accustom yourself to your new framework, your new
setting, as simulation goes a step further, it's kind of seem to you,
you're no longer who you think you are, you now must become us, you
must adopt our history, the good of it, the bad of it, your name
should be a French name, your thinking should be a French
thinking your culture is French. So it's,
quite frankly, striping you away from whoever you are, to make you
into whatever they want you to be.
So this is what he and others who came from North Africa did. That's
why now on the political realm, there are a lot of North Africans
who are themselves a simulated citizens, and they don't like to
see people who simply integrated themselves within society. So as
they went through that, they want other people to go through that.
And then setting the bar quite high for migrants in France, you
have about
five 7% of the population is Muslim in France. That's that is
that, okay? That means millions upon millions of Muslims in France
for 5 million. What's the percentage of Muslims in France, I
mean, the roughly 2 million I didn't look into the exact numbers
of Muslims, but what we can know is that there are a lot and that
does not include converts, that does not include migrants who
don't have papers. Okay, so my first question is, are do they
actually imagine that they could alter?
That large number of people like million? You were talking about?
Definitely over between one to two or more millions? Do they imagine
that this? They that's what I'm looking at all the far right
groups, who are taking a stance against a minority that's in their
country. Okay. So, so that, but those minorities are massive,
we're not talking about like, 98 bullying, 2%. We're talking about,
like maybe 40% or 60% of the population, having an axe to grind
against 10% of the population? How are they? How do they imagine
they're winning this? Or are they just venting some anger? Because
that's the first part of the question. The second part is going
to be when you do this, and you fail, the pendulum swings the
opposite side.
Right. All right. So I think to answer the question, we need to
have a historical theoretical background first, and then look at
its applicability. So in terms of the applicability, this is what
his you know, one of his opponent from the left joystick motion is
saying, Okay, let's say you want to remove, you know, the Muslims
from here. That's nice. But how? How are you going to do this? Now,
they're not talking about Muslims directly. They're talking about,
I'm sorry, I just have to plug my phone, otherwise, there won't be a
battery. But then he's mostly talking about removing migrants.
Now, that's one of his main thing is, you know, get the migrant, to
go back home. So the Muslims are is not is not, you know, he's not
like he's saying, Oh, we're going to remove just Muslims. And we
don't want any more Muslims in France. But he will make it hard
enough that they would want to leave. Isn't if we look at
migrants, I think the most broad theory, he's actually borrowing it
from another French writer, Mr. Comey, whose theory is that there
is in Europe, what he calls a great replacement, meaning that
Europe in lumpsum, used to be white and Christian. And now it's
becoming darker and Muslim. And that's a problem because Europe is
losing its identity. That same kind of theory is actually what
made the terrorist in New Zealand go to a mosque and kill people. He
actually went in France, and this is where he received this theory.
Now, Alexander is taking this theory. And to be fair, it's quite
easy, because if you go to some part of France, you will see
perhaps 60 70% of you know, Muslim population who perhaps dress a bit
differently who were here.
100 places Arabic is becoming prominent. So this ideology is
simply you know, for them, it's a fact. Now, based on that, what
he's trying to do is to stop this process of replacing the French
white Christian population with another one. And he wants to make
it regress to the point where Muslims become franchised, they
become, you know, we don't see them, they do not appear their
presence is not being felt. He wants to find that, you know,
ideal friends that he perhaps idealize. Now, in his program. As
I said, many of his opponents are criticizing him on the pragmatical
level. Yeah, you have a good theory or that theory, but how are
we going? How are you going to do that the migrants, they are
perhaps millions, that mean, you have to hire different cops,
different people? How would you get to know if this migrant is
really from that country? What's going to be the reaction of his
supposed original, you know, country of origin? What are they
going to say, and so on. So I think the populist discourse is
appealing to many French people who are just tired and scared of
seeing their, you know, their friends changing.
But on a pragmatic level, it's it's near near impossible doing
what he's thinking to do.
No different here with the with the right wing, who they've gotten
emotional regarding immigrants, right. And by the way, the first
thing I want to say is that they always start by talking about
migrants, right? The politician talks about migrants. But as that
trickles down, trickles down. It's anyone Brown, right?
Basically. So that's the first thing whenever they they'll start
by talking about migrants, because that's you can stand on legal
grounds for
legal grounds and say, Oh, well, you're breaking the law, as it
trickles down. And the reality of the thought is that it's for
everybody, that is of a certain route. Same with the right wing
here, and I'm looking, I'm thinking to myself, the only
people who could follow this kind of ideas, and they will latch
their emotions on this kind of
this kind of utopian view that they want to have their country
back to be all white, and Christian, it's, you're only going
to attract people who don't have any sense of looking into the
future or any sense of pragmatism, right? are looking into where the
statistics are actually going. Right? So statistically speaking,
everything that they want, they're really fighting against the it's a
fight against exhibit that's lost already. Statistically speaking,
it's never going to happen. Right, the reverse is actually what's
going to happen. And all you're only going to attract people who
really don't think things, you know, too far in advance.
Look, I've been thinking about this a lot. And I think, first of
all, we need to,
I hope one day to be able to discuss with these people, and
perhaps make them understand that I think they have it wrong. For
one thing, they are mixing migrants, so people who have
nothing to do with Europe, coming to Europe. Number two, they are
mixing that with those who were born in France, just like our
example. You know, he looks like he's from Algeria. His parents
perhaps spoke a different language, Berber, or Arabic. And
he himself, he's a product, he's a product of a migrant who came to
France. So he himself. According to some of his followers, we could
say he's a migrant.
Now, when we see the right talking on television, when it comes to
politics,
there is a big discussion about who is no longer a migrant or son
of a migrant. Because, you know, in their language, what they say
is they would say for white French, an original French, and
for those who are born French, but have, you know different origins,
they will call them
children of immigration.
So now the question is, after two generation, am I a full French or
not? What about regeneration? What about for when do I become an
original French? Because, for example, when you think about
Sarkozy, who was the prime president of France, a private
president of France? Well, he he's not represent French. He comes
also from another European country. And that goes for a lot
of people who are not purely French, French itself is it's an
utopia. You know, it's a mix of population and this goes all over
Europe. So
So mixing migrant, those who are born French, but have, you know, a
different background, and Islam. So when they are mixing all of
this, you know, that makes it that for average French guy, Islam
equal migrants or migrant equal Islam. And so they need to
differentiate. Number two, the thing that the far right or the
right parties don't really understand is how much values are
shared between Islam and their values, because some of the values
that they uphold, you know, we have the same type of value in
Islam, like, you know, family, perhaps on gay marriage, you know,
Muslims are usually against it, you know, different morals and
values in society. So,
we also need to understand that the right has two major, you know,
two major camps, one, which is a Catholic, traditional type of
camp, and the other one is more type of liberal, capitalistic. So
one thing that before was better, and one thing that in the future,
it will be better. So already within the right, they are
divided. And if only those who are, you know, Catholic oriented,
understood that Muslims are much closer to them, and would actually
help them, technically speaking, or ideologically speaking in some
of the values that they uphold, rather than fighting on Islam, but
it's a good sell point, whoever writes about Islam, or talks about
Islam is sure, you know, to have an audience and do it, it does.
Alright, here's the question for you, though. How do they? What's
their take on French white French conference, the thing that's going
to be the most confusing thing?
You know, I'm very happy you're talking about that. And that's one
of the things I aim at doing. You see, when you go on TV, and your
name is Fatima, Mohammed, your skin is not as white as theirs.
And they say, Well, you know, you came to our country, you need to
assimilate, integrate, you need to you need to, if you're not happy,
you can go back home. All right. But this highlights something, the
representation of white Muslims is totally, you know, misrepresent
misrepresented. In France, there are many converts. There are a lot
of converts actually in France. Some of them are doing Dawa. Some
of them are you know, staying quiet. But, indeed, what would you
say to a French Muslim, an original French, as they call it?
He was born in France. He knows the culture. He has a shared
history. He might actually be from noble family. What would you say
to him? You know, go back home? Well, this is where I'm from, or
you are treater, well, then we could say, all right, how am I
treated? Well, you change the way of our ancestors. And then we can
say, well, hold on a second. You are now for the and we can go into
the theme afterwards, Lacey take secularism, right, church and
state. So you are now part of the atheist camp, when our
grandparents used to be Catholics. And actually, if we go back in
time, they were pagans, they were made into Catholics by force,
where does catalyst ism comes from, from, you know, recently
CERAM, technically speaking, so it goes back to where the Middle
East. And when we look at history, if we are objectives in our
historical look, we understand that Islam has been present in
Portugal, in Spain, in Italy, and in France, as well, there were
many places in France, where Muslim you know, had, you know,
some, some, some, some presence. So, it's historically wrong, to
even say that Islam is not a European religion and doesn't have
a place. And when France went to Nigeria, and Africa to colonize,
they were very happy to have people from Algeria and from
Senegal, to help them, you know, during the war,
to fight, you know, against against Hitler. So, this is where
it's becoming very difficult for, for for for people is, once upon a
time you called us to come, you ask us to be your country. Now,
you are telling us that we have to change. And if you're not happy,
we can go back from where you actually called us. And
supposedly, the country has three values, liberties of freedom,
equality, and brotherhood. But, in fact, this is not what we see.
When we go to France. It's quite the opposite. Every every every
talk show is a debate as a fight.
So it's confusing to people you know. Here's another point.
There are idea based identities and there
Your
ethnic or race based identities, were nationalistic, ly based
identities. The the latter side, you were born with it, you can't
choose, okay? It's something that is not a choice. It's something
that you're either born in this land, your parents are this way,
it's an accident of birth.
Any identity based upon an accident of birth will never
defeat, it will always lose to an identity to an idea based
identity. So the America is an idea based country. It's a sense,
yes, we do have the right wingers. But when you when you look at,
when you look at the US, it was always been an idea based country
that come in wherever you are, as long as you have the sort of basic
ideas.
You can go and work hard and succeed in
Islam is probably the most idea based I identity, identity, anyone
could come into and out of it. Okay, based upon if you agree with
the set of ideas. And once someone agrees to that set of ideas, he
has a certain set of rights, which would help open Muslim the rights
of the Muslim to another, the Ottoman Empire was enough for
citizenship, or me, I don't know if they call it citizenship, but
you had rights just by being
so idea based identities and groups will always surpass and
always defeat
those, the more accident based identities we're seeing.
So as much as it, it's going to be really painful for the way I look
at it. This thing is, it's an it's an unwinnable struggle that
they're fighting against, and that they're pushing back. And it's
just a matter of time for the next generation. Generation says, You
know what, forget this. It's enough. And it's gonna swing back
to why are there so many Muslims to begin with, because there was a
colonial era. And then the next generation felt
for the natives that they colonized and destroyed their
countries. So they became liberal. And they became liberals in the
50s. And 60s, they opened the door, they opened the door for
immigration. In France, they opened the door for immigration. A
couple of decades past almost maybe half a century, you could
say, past of this little trickle of immigrations coming immigrants
coming in every year. And then all of a sudden, they wake up and they
realize the whole country has changed, and there's no way to go
back. And then the anger develops. But this anger is going to be like
one last stand. And then the next generation.
Eventually, whether 510 20 years, they're going to feel guilty about
what they did, and of all their discrimination and racism. And
it's going to swing back the other way. Right. So this thing to me,
it's going to be very bad for Muslim life, which I want to turn
to next. But from their side, from the right wing side, it's a
complete losing battle. And you just going to sit there and watch
them fight against time. That's all that's all it is. Because
you're not getting rid of the Muslims anywhere. It's one of the
the, the blessings that Allah gave this ummah is whenever their
political unity weakens, their numbers increase, and they spread
far and wide to the point that their political safety is in pure
numbers, that there's no way to actually exterminate this these
people or get rid of these people. Alright, so now the question I
want to ask is,
is this spilling over to Switzerland? Because I want to ask
you about everyday life of a regular Muslim and Muslim in
France, I'm sure that you have
women in your family that come back to you and tell you stories
of what happens to people are it what is it everyday life like for
a male or female Muslim in France?
All right.
So,
back to what you were talking about the, you know, identity
versus,
you know, Bourne Identity, I think I would love to share your
optimism. And I would hope that this will be the outcome in
France. Now, there are other parameters that you need to be
aware of is, you know, France.
They voted the law in 2004. Banning Asia from public schools,
which you need to know that it's obligatory, it's obligatory for
people to go to school, but it's prohibited for them to wear a
hijab. They voted the law, which states that
it's, it's prohibited for students to manifest ostensibly their
belonging there belonging to any you know, religion. So like the
Islamic hijab, for example, or a keeper or a cross would be, you
know, have a
Excessive dimension, therefore be prohibited. So you need to
understand that when people go to school average day Muslimah,
you're already segregated. But at the same time, the country is
asking everyone to make an effort and to respect everyone and to
have equality. So there is already inequality when people go to
school. So Muslims are faced with, either I put my daughter in a
public school, but I, you know, it's sinful in regards to our
religion, or I ostracize her and put her in a private school. So a
lot of people who have money they go to private. Now, what happens
is now there is a new law called the separatism law, which was
voted in on the ninth of December 2020. And supposedly, it's a law
that's supposed to fight against all type of, you know, separatism
of, you know, segregations, but in reality, it's mostly targeting
Muslims since that law.
Guess what, a regular preacher in a mosque, not even being an
employee, he made a hookah this summer. And he called on a Muslim
woman to have chastity, you know, to make sure you know, the dress
appropriately. This is the summer Usually people are loose, you
know, make an effort. And man's make an effort with that the Prime
Minister friends took over and says, Oh, this goes under
separatism. This is extreme, and we call upon you all mosque
firing, which is interesting, because friends main political
argument, comes back to a law voted in 1905, the law of life
city, which is a principle of you know, separating Church and State
secularism. But in this law, it states that the French government
does not recognize any religion does not finance any religion,
basically, they are totally away religions, is for religious
people, and politics is for politicians. And that's it. But
with that in mind, they now interpreted in the way they want,
and they see
you wearing a hijab, that's against this law, though it's not,
Oh, you are calling people to have modesty. Hmm, that's a breach. So
what I want to highlight is it's becoming harder and harder for
even regular Imams. The most moderate imams are now under
scrutiny. Under Pressure, everything is controlled, every
speech that does not go in line with what the French government
wants you to say. You will have problems, which reminds me of what
happened in different countries, you know, even in the Muslim land,
if you didn't say something that you were supposed to, or, you
know, you voiced a political opinion, you will have problems.
So they are not even allowed to have a political discussion. It's
prohibited in mosque, they will go into trouble which you don't have
that in America.
Now, this is making the average day Muslim. Going back to your
second question, the average day Muslim.
What happens is that he's really tired. Everyday we speak about my
religion, every day, every time there is a murderer, I hope it's
not a Muslim. You know, whatever they do, it's never good enough.
They can't speak. And I feel they are becoming so weak, that the
only way of expression they have is through you know, those memes
those pictures with one or two sentence, a hashtag, you know, or
you know, different situation, different position, different
understanding, but they are not, they are not able to yet formulate
a response. They did. I think it was after an attack of a far right
extremist in a mosque. They kind of did a protest. They don't work.
They try to have association to defend the rights of Muslim and
Islamophobia. It's now closed, whatever they do. The French
government seems to be you know, getting stronger and stronger and
stronger. And their liberty and freedom of expression, which is
supposed to be a fundamental right in France, is being suppressed. So
I think a lot of people in France are desperate. Some of them want
to dream of a better future in France, but a lot of people want
to give up. And so now it comes back to do I have money to stay or
to leave are not, you know, those optimists versus those pessimists.
That's, you know, that's what's happening.
I have to say there is
there is a perspective there. The French people have never the
general civilization with friends. They never hid their sentiments
towards Muslims. their forefathers got on ships and traveled across
the Mediterranean. They traveled across
Sierra up to Jerusalem, to kill Muslims and steal their wealth.
There, they have never hid their opinion towards Muslims. So from
one perspective, and this is not a very sympathetic to the Muslims in
France, but it's just the most true perspective,
we should not expect anything different from the French.
You imagine that they came to you to kill you, you're now living in
their homes in their homeland, I should say.
We should expect even worse, to be honest with you. So from that
perspective, you know, go ahead further.
What you say is, is absolutely factual and true. So let's think
about, you know, the First Crusade, where did that, you know,
thought process came in France, it actually started with the console
of Claremont. And in 1095, it was the Pope Urban the Second who
declared a crusade, you know, he was officially, you know, upset
with some Turks who would not allow pilgrims to, you know, go
peacefully to Jerusalem. When you think about, you know, what,
Napoleon Bonaparte did, you know, in Egypt. So when you think about
the Algerian War, when you think about colonization, so indeed, the
quote unquote, you know, obsession of friends with Islam, and, you
know, the, you know, in Algeria, they had ceremony of unveiling,
they were doing publicity and public ceremonial, where they will
tell a woman, oh, free yourself, free yourself, remove the hijab,
you know, so they have an obsession. And, as you said, one
should also question, what's the point of Muslim being in a country
where, since more than 1000 years, you know, some of the French
people have been fighting Muslims, when perhaps crossing a border,
going to United Kingdom going to perhaps another country will be so
different. So now, there is kind of this, you know, reflection
within the community, you know, some argue that, you know, the
best thing to do, which is, you know, actually following some of
the, you know, the fifth ruling, the theoretical fifth ruling,
which is that people should perhaps not be in this kind of
lens, where, you know, they can't practice the religion, you know,
freely and they are being oppressed and perhaps in danger.
And other people say, no, no, we are here, we are here to stay.
Now, we need to figure out how can we stay and how can we make it a
pleasant place. So, this is happening, you know, many people
have, you know, diametrically different opinions on that, and,
you know, you know, dialogue is taking place.
Both positions have to be given respect, because, on one hand, the
individual ruling on this really should be leaving, okay. But not
everybody can physically afford to leave. This is not the old world
where you can pack your bags, and go look for a patch of land, and
have a couple lambs and sheep, and just pitch camp until you figure
things out. This is not the old world where you could do that.
People may legitimately want to leave some of these individuals,
I'm sure, and I've been to parts of France, like, um, yeah, where
it's a very working class, to the point that they don't know how to
read French even. So to i, the the idea of, Oh, you got to figure
your paperwork out and migrate to another country can be extremely
intimidating for many people, costly for many people. So I have
sympathy on that front. And I also recognize that from common sense,
sickly, and as you said, by FIP, you ought to leave, right. But at
the same time, we have to realize that our flip is flexible, and not
everybody can physically do that. So I think that, and you tell me
if it's wrong, that the fair approach is really to support both
causes, or both both avenues to support both? I think I would not
personally be of any support. Because I think it comes back to
individuals, if we were to look at the grid for the greater good. I
think, after many years of analysis of you know, the
political arena in France, I think, I would say if you're in
France, and you know, you feel you can't live your religion freely,
or you know, and this is the case, the best is if you can find
another person or another opportunity you should leave that
will be better, easier and safer. Now, to those who want to stay in
France. I think
that should not be everyone that should be specific people who are
knowledgeable about Islam and can do a positive impact. I want to
highlight that because
I think that, you know, I personally am a convert as well.
And
I agree, to some extent, to some of the criticism of the far right.
What do I mean? The cultural aspect of Muslim coming, you know,
from specific regions into a specific land. You know, it's
different. You go to the UK, it's mostly subcontinent people, you go
to Germany, they are mostly Turks. So when you go to France, they are
mostly people from North Africa. And it's true, the culture of a
North African is diametric, diametrically different from a
French culture. They also both have strong characters, strong
traditions, you know, they are not people who usually, you know, give
up. That's number one. Number two, there was a war, you know, and
there was an occupation. So that has, you know, that less
scarification in the minds of many people. Thirdly, it's true that
when the first migrant came from, you know, from, for example,
Algeria and Tunisia and, and stuff, one of the thing that they
had in mind was, I'm here for some time, make money and go back home,
but that did not happen. Therefore, there has been such a
mis organization of Islam, you know, firstly started, they
started to have, you know, cave masks, you know, like, on the on
the bit under the big building, we have like basements and they used
to use that for mask, who was the imam or has, you know, more Quran
call us up the Imam, no training, everyone says everything that they
want, there is no organization, contrary to you know, America, I
went to visit you, I went to visit other people. And I saw that you
guys are much more organized the UK the same thing, but in France
organization is a real problem and the culture, it you know, if you
go to France, you go to a big city, for example, like Leon, you
go to Lyon, you have Center City, where you have mostly, you know,
white people, usually good jobs, and you know, expensive
apartments, you go out outside of it, you go into more like a ghetto
zone. And this is where you will see a lot of, you know, Muslims,
and you know, people who are originally from another country,
whether they were born in France or not, that doesn't matter, you
will see more hijab, you will see Mohalla, you will, you will see
more mosques and djellaba. And I used to go there, and sometimes,
you know, tell them, let's go downtown. And they will say, well,
we don't like to go to their places. So even the Muslims don't
feel French enough. And so it's kind of, you know, there's kind of
a duality or dual citizenship in France, where one feel he doesn't
belong in the ghetto. And the guy from the ghetto, say, I don't, you
know, I don't belong in in Center City. So it's true, there is kind
of a perversion in between these these two types of population. So
I think that some of the, you know, far right comments, when it
comes to culture are correct, and Muslim should actually do
something about an eye. You know, earlier, you mentioned Congress, I
think that's the job of the Congress, they need to explain to
even those who were born in France, some of the cultural
aspects of France, you know, how do you deal with Christmas? How do
you deal with, you know, converting to Islam, and your
family thinks that you are, you know, you're a traitor, you know,
you did, you're committed treason, and so on and so forth. So, these
are so many things that needs to be thought that need to be
reflected, analyzed, and, you know, we need to find, you know,
pragmatic answers to that, and unfortunately,
you know, organization Hamdulillah, we are trying to do
something about it, by providing, you know, training to some
demands, and people who are, you know, at the forefront of our, to
train them in, you know, rational sciences, they need to understand
the different, you know, philosophical framework of Europe,
the Greek heritage, the Romans, they need to understand, you know,
some of the philosophies that, you know, are touching us, you know,
today and have an appropriate, you know, type of answer. So, I think
there is a lot of work to be done in, in France. And it's not, you
know, it's not so easy, but inshallah we'll have to have, you
know, great hopes. Tell everybody about your organization on the
consience. And before I do that, I want to touch upon the point that
a lot of these Western countries, they have a little getaway as
group.
And it is true, as you said, you go to these nice main streets, and
they're wonderful, beautiful boutiques and stores and
restaurants, wonderful apartments, nice cars, people dressed, all
handsome, et cetera, et cetera. But then the ghettoize group, when
they come in, they sort of ruin everything. You know, my attitude
when people say that you're 100% Right. And Tough luck. your
forefathers caused this. You no one told your forefathers go
destroy Algeria.
Maria, so that Algerians become poor, and they have to come to
you. Right? No one told the British when I go to Oxford
Street, everyone told me way back in 2003 Oh, the Oxford Street is
the place, right? You go to Oxford Street. Within a few years, this
place became like 99 cent store lottery tickets, cigarettes, Hindu
shops, like it's things that they're just run by, by by South
Asians who don't care, right? And the whites that would say, Oh,
these people just don't care. Of course, they don't care. You
didn't care about their well being either. your forefathers. Now
here's the thing about national histories. Everyone in a sense, a
lot of times people are innocent, but they face the results of their
father's work. That's the difference, right? So everyone's
like, Well, what did I do? You know, you did the way that nations
work, you reap the benefits and the mistakes of your forefathers.
Right? You're rich, because your forefathers, they went and they
they either did legitimate work, or they colonized, okay, that's
why you're rich. And that's why you're happy. They also did a lot
of bad things. Those people, they come to England, and I remember
one guy saying, Oh, they come to England, and they don't care. And
their heart is somewhere else. And said, yeah, so you also went to
India, your forefathers, you didn't care and your heart was in
England. So you're getting the payback of exactly what your
father's reaped. There is no injustice here. Yes, at the right.
Right, what you're saying is, is it's absolutely amazing, because
that made me think, how can we use, you know, this knowledge,
this approach to formulate, you know, a change and say, Okay,
today situation is like that. Now, what can we do today, so that
tomorrow, our children, and perhaps grandchildren will have it
differently. So that also helps us to raise the bar, you know, the
first migrant who came perhaps did not have, you know, generally so
much education, perhaps they didn't speak French, but now we
have generation of French people who, you know, know, the law, they
know, you know, literature, philosophy, they know, you know,
they are doctors, you know, they become more and more, you know,
evolve within the society. So, how can we use this and create a
Muslim elite, and actually take the criticism of, you know, some
of our critiques and say, Okay, you are claiming that we are a
burden for friends. Okay, how can we become a plus? How can we,
because look at Islam in Underoos, look at the Muslims everywhere,
they produce the thought they generate the created, they were at
the forefront of everything, they will always the people who
uplifted, you know, popular population and places. And
actually, when it was the dark edge in Europe, how did the
Renaissance happen, they came to our land, they looked at what we
were doing, and they reflected and say, Okay, we need to have a self
critique, analysis, and change. And that's actually now our turn,
you know, some of the things that we do are very good, and we should
not change, but some of what we do, that's bad, we need to change,
we need to elevate ourselves and become better people, as you said,
so that Inshallah, you know, the next generation would have it
better it will be, you know, maybe Islam will be broader, you know,
accepted in a different way. And it will be, you know,
thought and reflected and thought in an appropriate and decent way.
I my approach to these is, and this will wind this down, and
we're gonna then we're going to talk about me consience and my
approach to this thing is
the, the happiness and the acceptability of the broader
society is really more like at the individual level, like I have
neighbors, I like to get along with them. Right? I have no
problem with that. At the grander scale though, the it's the
politics of deal with it. You all are being forced fed brown people
you're gonna be waterboarded brown people and Muslim people in
America it's history all the minorities right? You will be
forced fed that whether you like it or not, you're going to be
waterboarded brown people, whether you like it or not deal with it.
You Your philosophy for 1000 For the last 500 years has been to go
to other countries and make them deal with it is now come back
right into your own face. What a hypocrisy.
Okay, so at the individual level, I'm all with you that I'm I'm
totally willing at the individual level with the people I interact
with, to get along with them. Right? Why be enemies when we can
be friends, and we can get along and have a better Street for our
family and our kids, a better town for our family, our kids, and
eventually a better country for our family and our kids. I don't
have a choice that you live here. You don't have a choice that I
live here. So why fight we let we might as well come to an A
Riemann on how we want to live and live happily. Right? That's I take
that attitude as an individual. But when I zoom back at history, I
look at it as your you got to deal with it. Your Europe and your
Arabia as they now call some parts of it. Deal with it. Right? Do you
have no other choice? So that's the two sort of angles that I sort
of look at it.
Because as you said, the demographics are changing. And
this right wing sentiment, this nationalistic sentiment is
swinging hard in the world right now. And I believe probably it's
gonna swing hard again here and Trump may be reelected. It's going
to swing hard here again. But eventually,
eventually, everything is gonna swing back. But when it swings
back, it's going to swing back to an opposite extreme. We have to be
ready to take advantage of that. In terms of as Muslims in to
explain our deen because Dawa is ultimately the ultimate goal. And
if we say that, well, Muslims shouldn't be in there in the first
place. That's true. But this is the work of Allah. You don't have
100 million Muslims in the West for no reason, right?
Is there's a reason for this. And there's a wisdom behind this. And
the only justification for any of this is our work on Dawa. So if
it's our work on Dawa, then one of the groups that is is doing this
is called me consience. And it's basically AMI and then conscience
the word conscience spelled in England, in English. Let's put
this Ryan on all of our,
on all the comments section so that everyone can see. Chef Yes,
scenes work. And what he's doing in the French language with, with
his team in Switzerland, to try to do Dawa. Right? He's, he's our man
and in Europe, doing the Dawa. He's teaching the rational
sciences, the transmitted sciences.
So with that, dig, tell us a little bit about the organization.
So I'm equals yours, means the soul Conservancy in French means,
you know, consciousness, taqwa. So the idea came up with, how do we
find? Or how do we make or build a proper answer to common problems.
As I said, as a Swiss convert, I have the
I've been blessed. You know, since I have an Arab father and a Swiss
Mom, I've been blessed to have an a broad understanding of the two
worlds, also being from the non Muslim side, and then afterward
becoming a muslim. So I said, Okay, why not do something that
makes sense? Because as you said, either, you know, with the current
state, you know, people choose to rebel. And they go on the
extremist side, that's never going to work, they get crushed, we saw,
you know, different example of that, and different groups. You
have another side that says, no, no, I totally give up. I remove my
Islam, or I, you know, I remove everything of my Islam and maybe
accept a little bit. That's also not going to work. Because, and
this is what happened to French people, a lot of a lot of, you
know, migrant. They said, Okay, I'm going to remove everything of
Arab and Islam, from my children. But then their children, you know,
they look Arab. They do, you know, they go to school, they perform
while they don't get jobs, they get frustrated. And then you have
my generation who say, Okay, you did everything by the book, it
didn't work. You were the product of that it's not working. So what
do I do? So now a lot of, you know, my generation are thinking,
Okay, what if we took back our tradition, and we tried to
contextualize it and that's what we're trying to do with me
concerns first of all, we want to renew with beauty you know, Islam
had an has and will always be beautiful
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there
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Alright, looks like the connection is dropped on Instagram but we're
still live on what do we love on right now Ryan
Okay, why don't you take over then?
You can't hear him. Okay? Why? Oh his is muted in your computer.
Okay, can you hear me
Can you hear me on stream yard
we got we got I guess we have a lot of we got two phones a
computer tablet, we got a lot of things pulling on the Wi Fi here.
So that's probably why what's going on
now it's paused due to poor connection
salam alaikum. I see you guys on stream yards. I think I'm still
live.
You know, Instagram is not working. Can you hear me on stream
yards?
All right, I guess we cut it at that. Right? Yeah, unfortunately.
Can you type to him to continue?
He can hear me okay. All right, it looks like a show here. See, and I
dropped. I can't hear anything, but you can continue telling
everybody about me consience. And then what we'll do is we will
insha Allah will
will share some some links about it. And then you could sign off
because I think we're completely lost at this point. But that's
okay. We had a great interview and hamdulillah the bulk of it was,
was really good.
Okay, so about me concerns, if you can relate to she actually that
I'm talking about and my concerns right now. Basically, you know,
it's the product of a reflection on what should we do in terms of
Dara? So, we decided to go with beauty, we decided to you know,
renew with something that will be meaningful, that will be
beautiful. And we have three main, you know, axes where we work.
First of all, we wanted to renew with nature, and explore how to
make that hour with nature. So for example, we want to look at
different things that we find in nature, you know, trees, water,
animals, different phenomenons, and make Muslim realize and
reconnect with Allah subhanaw taala through the creation of
Allah subhanaw taala. Secondly, we also want to go back to the Quran,
and to the Hadith, and explore the our, from the Ayat of Allah
subhanaw taala, the signs of Allah, that he has, you know,
built in creation.
With that, we make that out to Muslims and to non Muslims. And
also we want to make sure that Muslim become, you know, sensitive
to taking care of nature stop, just, you know, consuming
everything and throwing everything away. This also cheap attitudes,
you know, I want to buy cheap and cheaper and cheaper. So we want to
go back to, you know, elevation have a deeper understanding of who
we are in the world, and actually the amazing thing that are around
us that we also need to respect. Secondly, the association aims at
teaching Islam properly in a traditional way. Unfortunately,
what we have observed through the years is that extremism whether
you're on this camp or that camp is usually because there is a lack
of knowledge, there is a lack of understanding of depth, there is a
lack of nuance people are black or white type, you know, mentality.
So we want to give them you know, a profound understanding as an
example, in France today, people
are saying, well, we've done a survey, and it shows that 60% of
young Muslims, they think, and they deem Islamic law above French
law. And this is unacceptable. Well, for example, we need to
think about it. What does that mean to you that, you know,
the law of God versus the law of man, you say, Well, I'm a
believer, God created everything, therefore, what he sees as being
good, he's the one who sets the values. Therefore, I think that is
far superior. Does that mean that I'm going to go against the law?
Does that mean that I'm going to start to do illegal act?
Absolutely not. So the problem is, people have a very simplistic way
of looking at things, and they forgot language. So our goal with
teaching Islam to foreign, you know, to Muslims, in a simple and
clear way, so that they don't go to any of the extremes. At the
same time we that we aim at presenting Islam to non Muslim in
the way it should have been presented. Unfortunately, those
who are allowed are those who are usually extremist. So we like to
hear things that you know, are going to go on the news, things
that are going to make a buzz, and we are trying to you know, go back
down and say no, Islam shouldn't be about that. If Muslims are
doing this incorrectly, well, these are individual issues we
need to deal with. It's not an Islamic problem, or Islamic
created issue. And thirdly, we want to, you know, help people
when you with spirituality, because religion, unfortunately
for some people in Switzerland and France, and perhaps elsewhere in
the world, has become simply a set of halal and haram, a robotic type
approach to you know, my relationship with Allah. And what
we want to do is to make them reconnect to God, why am I a
Muslim? Because it's true. What does that mean to be a Muslim?
What does that mean to be a servant of Allah? What does that
mean that you know, my lord subhanaw taala he is a Rahman he's
a Rahim. What does that mean to me? How can then how can I then
become a better person? How can I have a transformative experience
with my religion and my router chastity. So this is what we are
trying to inshallah aim to provide to the people who speak French
from France and Switzerland and everywhere else in the world.
I see that your screen has disappeared. Does that mean that
this is the end of the show or not? People who are live can you
comment whether we are still live or not? Because I still think that
we are
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pleasure to be to be with you. If there are any questions I don't
know if there's time for question or what else can Dr. Shetty hear
me?
Oh, I see Dr. sharena. Can you hear me or not yet
I see that he is mute.
All righty, unfortunately we had lost our main men are an our guest
for today, but we will inshallah be wrapping up our own live
stream. Inshallah, I'm going to read you an article about Muslims
in France and why they're leaving, that'll be a wrap up and we'll
take your q&a, and we'll try to keep it all we need to keep it all
inshallah Tada. thematic, and we'll keep the question, it won't
be an open QA. It'll just be a regular or a q&a specifically
dedicated to this topic. So let's get on the Instagram first. And as
we get the Instagram going, and you're you could stick the plug in
to
Brian, any comments so far?
We can take a q&a before we get on while we get on Instagram
on the topic today.
So
some people have been asking some good questions early on. I'm gonna
go find these rubric.
Someone asked do you think North African countries are prepared to
take on French Muslims?
Do I think that they can? No, I don't think they can take on their
own people.
I don't think that I don't think those are the way the North
African countries are.
You know, the, from what I see, I don't think that they're their
nations that they're strong enough, right. But when it comes
to this issue, it's got to be a matter of belief. Okay, it has to
be alright, still tilted this way tilted this way? Yeah, there we
go. It's a, it's an issue of belief, these things cannot happen
without Amen. These things cannot happen without
the belief that we can do this and Allah will supply that is Allah
will supply the space, etc, etc. All right.
What are they saying here?
All right, forget the Instagram. We'll just continue on YouTube.
All right. So here we go. Let's read this article.
Shoot.
Oh, good.
Put him back on the stream. Okay. Just to answer this question.
Sure.
All right. So shaky I seen.
Unfortunately, when you are removing Shadi, I cannot hear any
sound. So you need to you know, have him back so I can hear him.
Sorry, I seem to go off. So the question was how much of the
Islamophobic policies from France are based on hatred for religion
versus hatred for race? And
I think the
I think the French government
main concern is to,
you know, talk about Islam, the place of Islam in France, but I
think it's a rather deeper, you know, concern, which is about
those who came from North Africa. You know, I think this is this is
something that, unfortunately, is a bit hidden under the name of
Islam. But the reality is, how do we deal with North African mass,
you know, population that came to France and is now in France and in
place, how do we deal with them? And the cultural issues? I think
this is the real underlying problematic, we do not have race,
quote, unquote, talk in Europe, it's not something you know, you
will never find like in America on a phone, what race are you? That
does not happen? So because of that, we do not even use the term
race. We'll say you know, culture or we'll say, you know, religion,
but we won't talk about race.
All righty, some louder Amanda Rahim. Al hamdu lillah wa salatu
salam ala Rasulillah. So we had some technical difficulties, but
that's okay, let's get straight into this article. What I'm
reading here and Ryan is going to share the cover so that we get an
idea, the quiet flight of Muslims from France. So France has been
our topic for the day and you're gonna get your dosage of what
exactly is happening and what's the Muslim experience in this part
of the ummah. All the talk of the current presidential campaign has
all been about the mainly about immigration. And it's just like in
this part of the world where immigration becomes an issue every
four years or certain topics become an issue every four years,
when the political people want to get themselves elected, and they
want to rally up their base and their crowd. And so then after the
elections, it usually dies down but there's always a trickle that
remains there, and affects people's everyday lives. So this
article is about a man by the name of somebody new author, it looks
like he's ever Moroccan artists. He is he's a novelist. And he
writes about his love of France, but he had to leave France okay
after the 2015 attack in France by some extremists. It killed scores
of people and traumatized the country. He had to leave
everywhere I was going one day he was spat on any they call me dirty
Arab.
No surprise. It's really the 2015 attack that made me leave because
understood, they were not going to forgive us. Mr. Lavazza says 38.
So my perspective on this, my take on this is this is like a divine
thing on France. It's like, what goes around comes around, and
they're being forced fed and waterboarded Muslims, they can't,
whether they like it or not, doesn't make a difference. They're
going to be there. He's the grandson of Muslim immigrants.
That means his his his dad himself born and raised in France. And
they're from Algeria originally, he says, but when you live in a
big democratic city in the east coast of the United States, you're
more at peace than in Europe than in Paris, where you're in a deep
cauldron. Ahead of the April elections, President Emmanuel
Macron has top three rivals who are expected to account for nearly
50% of the vote, are all running anti immigrant campaigns. So
they're fanning the fears of a nation facing a civilizational
threat, they are facing a civilizational threat in 50 years,
what their forefathers called Friends is not going to, it's not
going to be the same guy and my sort of projection, a low estimate
of I think it's just based upon statistics is that
this thing is, it's on autopilot. It's on autopilot, that Germany is
going to be transformed. There's going to be such a significant
amount of Turks in Germany, and so many households will be touched by
intermarriage.
And so these nations will be altered permanently. That's the
payback you get for colonization. When you look at nation like
Chile, they don't have an immigration problem. There are
some rich nations like Malaysia, they don't have an immigration
problem. Singapore does not have an immigration problem is that at
least one that reaches the news in this way, why they never will left
their country to bother other people. There's no payback to come
to them. There is no boomerang to come back at them. Alright, so the
problem barely discussed is emigration, which is people
leaving France, which this is what they want. For years, France has
lost highly educated professionals seeking greater dynamism
elsewhere. But among them, according to academic researchers,
is a growing number of French Muslims who say that
discrimination was a strong push factor that they felt compelled to
leave by a glass ceiling of prejudice, nagging questions about
their security and a feeling of not belonging. Okay, the outflow
has gone unremarked upon by politicians and by the news media,
even as researchers say, it shows Frances failure to provide a path
for advancement for even the most successful, okay of its largest
minority group, a brain drain of those who could have served as
models of integration. Of course, they're all going to leave. If
they have any sense and they have enough money, they're going to
leave the only people who are sticking around or those who can't
afford to leave. No one's going to stick around for sentiments sake
when when the people hate them.
Goes back to the question of why went there in the first place, get
these people end up contributing to the economy of Canada or of
Britain says certain professor from University of Lille, Public
Law and sociology which surveyed 900 French Muslim immigrants and
conducted in depth interviews blah, blah, blah, France, France
is really shooting itself in the foot, they say, French Muslims,
which is 10% of the population occupy a strangely outsized place
in the campaign.
Even if their actual voices are seldom hurt, it is not only an
indication of the lingering wounds inflicted by the 2015 and 2016
attack, which killed hundreds, but also, for instance, long struggle
over identity issues and it's unresolved relationship with the
former colonies. If you're living in this world that we live in
today.
You will never have static static anything, there's no stasis in
this world that we have, right this world that we have,
everything is changing.
Youth are communicating constantly, the new generation is
coming in, in a little Global Village. Okay, this idea of the
other is making a lot of noise.
The idea of the other
is slowly decreasing. Okay? And you're not going to keep us just a
stasis static white population brown population black population,
nothing is going to be studied. Everything is constantly like you
shaking the world is like being shocked like this. Alright, so
Muslims are being linked to crime and other social ills through dog
whistle expressions, like zones of non France, used by Valerie, you
know, to be honest, I enjoy watching these people, you know,
squirming in pain as they see the brown ification of their country.
Right? What goes around comes around you took it to people.
That's good enough. Okay, it's good. I'll just
okay.
So I was saying, I I'm enjoying watching this to be honest. Watch
Have them squirm and sometimes you know like when I watch Fox News I
enjoy the same thing I would join them watching them squirm at the
change of things. You don't think the Native Americans were upset
when they got conquered the way they got conquered? What goes
around comes I blame your grandfather's don't blame these
poor people who are coming that are your payback. Your
grandfather's got the ball rolling and now the domino effect has come
right back to you. Okay. Although I do agree mostly with some of
these right wing, you know, people with their takes on liberals but
just the enemies of your enemies not always your friend, so they're
not our friends. That's for sure. So Marine LePen second place
behind Mr. Macron. They are her dad was the crazy extremist. She's
like trying to make an extremist chic. That's what she's trying to
do.
They are singled out for condemnation by the far right
television pundit and candidate Eric Zamora.
who himself is is an Arab Jew. So I don't know how they're they're,
they're running after him when he also has two boxes that they do
not supposed to like, right? So he's, he's going out against the
Muslims, but he himself he's a brown guy, and he's a Jew. He
these right wing nationalists, Marine LePen is dead was not a big
fan of Jews. Okay. The tenor of the race has stroked dead, a
dread, as they watch it from abroad, say Mr. Lavazza and others
who have left speaking with a mix of anger and resignation of their
home country? Well, good for him. He's got to benefit himself,
you've got to fight for a place of people that don't want you. The
places he and others have settled, including Britain and the United
States are not paradise is free of discrimination for Muslims either,
which is true. But those interviewed said they not
nevertheless, at least you can sort of disappear. Right? There is
enough different types of minorities hear that you can
disappear and people could think that you're Some Other Race and
it's easier for men or women, those Muslim women where's he just
gonna stick out like a sore throat? The places he and others
have settled? Blah, blah, blah. It's only abroad that I'm not that
I'm French. Said Ahmad mkuze 46, who was raised in Paris, by
immigrant parents, I'm French I'm married to a French woman. I speak
French. I live French. I love French food and culture. But in my
own country, I'm not French. You know what? To a certain point. I'm
not gonna love a civilization that that that they did what they did.
They don't they still don't want you. Why would I you know, express
this love. I'm French and why would I express it don't have any
self respect, right? You gotta go to people who love you. And the
Quran also mentioned here you are the you love them. And they hate
you. Right? And so I'm gonna I'm gonna go there. You will love
them. They don't love you. Right?
Finding the suspicion surrounding French Muslims oppressive after
the 2015 attacks Mr. mkuze, which is like the second example of a
person they're given you settled with his wife and three kids in
Leicester, England, miserable in 2016. And don't get any son. He
created a Facebook group for French Muslims in Britain. Right,
that's good, and now has 2500 members, newcomers to Britain
surged before Brexit. He said, adding that they were mostly young
families, single mothers, they found it impossible to get jobs in
France because they wore their hijab will good for them, that
they kept up their hijab and they traded some matter of the dunya
for their matter of the Echo, which is the smart deal to make.
Only recently have academic researchers begun to form
snapshots of French Muslims who have left their anthropologists
making some kind of a study and try to make a degree out of it.
They include the the research project into the immigration,
emigration of French Muslims, led by academics affiliated with the
University of Lille, a leading French university and National
Center for Scientific Research. Alright, another institution This
is really good to document what's going on with their lives and what
your policy is and what your nation has done to them.
Separately, researchers at three other universities I'm not even
gonna say Belgium, Netherlands Liege, have been working on a
joint project, looking at the immigration of Muslims from
France, as well as from Belgium and the Netherlands. Other two
countries that may be lesser in the media, but there have the same
sentiments going on there. Jeremy min Dean, he's a French researcher
involved in the study at the University of Liege in Belgium
said that many young French Muslims had been disillusioned
that they had played by the rules, done everything that was asked to
them and ultimately been unable to lead a desirable life. Okay. I
would say yeah, it is disappointing, but at the same
time, don't be naive. Don't be naive. Who made the rules?
The people who made the rules and why did they make the rules? They
made the rules so that they could benefit off of your labor. That's
why they bring in immigrants. As soon as they no longer benefit
from your labor. They changed the rules, right? And in a sense
In a sense, there's no injustice in that the guy who makes the
rules gets to change the rules, right? Like, who makes the rules
for the NBA, I guess the owners committee that comes together, all
the owners come together, and they appoint a little committee to make
the rules, that committee could change the rules whenever the game
is no good anymore for them. For the owners. If the owners are no
longer making money by these rules, they're gonna change the
rules. So it's the same thing with these countries. They brought in
immigrants because they lost so many people in the wars, they
needed a lot of labor. Okay to support their the elderly, the
elderly class with the social security plans that they had. They
needed more people to do the work. They only brought you in for this
reason, they didn't bring you in because they love you. Guys, you
got to understand the bigger picture here. And then you won't
be surprised at all when they turn around and change all the rules on
you.
And yes, Safi. 37, a marketing executive at the London operations
of stone x very educated men. It's a film of a financial firm, grew
up in a restaurant, a town in eastern France, where his parents
settled after arriving from Tunisia, his father operated a
spinning machine at a textile factory. So blue collar worker,
right, this guy grows up and he's now working in some big financial
institution. This is you know, Person number three that we're
talking about. Okay, like his own parents, Mr. Safi ends up making a
new life in a new country. He moved to England, he moved to
London and that's where he met his French wife Matilda and found an
easygoing, diversity unimaginable in France. Of course, England is
way better off for people
than than France. At corporate dinners. There might be a
vegetarian buffet. There might be a halal buffet, everybody mangoes,
the CEO shows up and he has a turban on his head because he's a
cedar, right. And so he mixes with the employees and nobody blinks.
This off. He's Miss France, but they decided not to return partly
because of worries about their two year old son in Britain. I'm not
worried about raising an Arab child. He said in 2020, anti
Muslim acts in France Rose 52% over the previous year, according
to the official complaints gathered by the National Human
Rights Commission. That's only just what's been reported. I
guarantee what's not been reported as way more incidents have risen
in the past decade rising sharply in 2015. A rare official
investigation in 2017 found that young men perceived as Arab or
black were 20 times more likely to have their identities checked by
the police. Alright, so I'm sure there are some people sympathetic
that don't like what's going on, you always have to remember
there's going to be people within the oppressive party who don't
like what's going on. The question is, what do they do? How far does
their conscience move them? In the workplace, job candidates with an
Arab name, have 32% less chance of being called for an interview,
according to a government report? See, the thing is that this bait
and switch call them in and then change your mind. We don't really
want you immigrants. It's sort of more messy than the ancient times
when they just basically sent your ambassador a letter. Here, we're
coming for war we're gonna take over your country. It's like black
and white. This is sort of messy. So when you bought them in, you
sort of need them you sort of don't want them it's like sloppy.
Alright, here's another individual I guess we're going to start
looking at despite her degrees in Europe, in European law and
project management, Maryam Grupo 31. She said she's never been able
to find a job in France. After half a dozen years abroad. Now
she's first in Geneva, at the World Health Organization. And
then she moved to Senegal, at the Pasteur Institute of Dakar. She's
back in Paris with her parents looking for work abroad, okay to
feel like a stranger in my country is a problem. Okay, no offense,
but to be honest with you, if you imagine that it's your country.
That's the problem. All right, with no offense taken, to be
honest, but in a sense, it's not her fault that you're born into a
place that's all you know.
She wants to be left alone to practice her faith. Oh my god, a
junior Minister for Human Rights during the presidency of Nicolas
Sarkozy said that France is denial of problems like police violence
had made matters worse, she saw the current backlash against
Wilkie ism a supposedly woke American ideas on social justice
as nothing else, but a pretext to no longer fight discrimination yet
possibly true. Okay, so I didn't know that woke ism is now the
French version of woke, woke ism. But I guess everything that
America produces travels far and wide. When Miss Miss Yachty, born
in Senegal to a Muslim family was appointed a junior government
minister in 2007. She believed this is her starting point. But
after an unsuccessful bid for President in 2017, she left for
the United States presidency right away. My glass ceiling was
political. She said who's 45 and she's now the senior director at
the Atlantic Council, a Washington based thing
intank in Africa, to her the presidential race is focused on
immigration was the consecration of 20 years of deterioration.
Okay, she quit her political party. Okay. And she said it's
very hostile to anything that did not represent a fantasy version of
French identity. And the article goes on and I think we close
closing paragraph here. Mr. Lavazza, the the writer in
Philadelphia, whose French wife is an economist, and teaches at the
unit at UPenn said he hoped to return one day to the country that
fills his novels. When the television series based on his
work, the savages was broadcast in 2019. It became an immediate hit
for the company behind it canal plus an unusual one, imagining
France for the first time led by a president of North African
descent, of course, you know, the movies they love these types of
out of the box themes. But two years later, Mr. Lavazza has come
to view his series as an anomaly. He began writing the second season
with a storyline focusing on police violence was one of the
most sensitive themes in France, but it was not renewed for reasons
that he was never that were never made clear to him. Okay, I mean,
to police violence. Yeah, it is a real thing. But it might not be
it's, it's, it's not out of the box. Usually, things go on the
air, because they're so out of the box. Sometimes you watch a movie
or something where the themes that just like right out of a Twitter
feed. It's so predictable, right. So that that may also be one of
the reasons why it wasn't aired. Sort of predictable, but of
course, you know, the whole country is moving to the right, so
they don't want to give him anything. A spokeswoman for canal
plus said that the series had been planned for only one season.
That's a bunch of nonsense. There's didn't ever plan something
for just one season. in Philly. He's writing a new novel that
deals with exile from a country that is never named. Alright, so
All right, let's let's take let's take the
comments from everyone here only on the topic of Muslim affairs
today. Alright, Ryan, what do we have? We only have like 15 minutes
and then we'll wrap it up for the day. All right, what do we got
All right, so let's wrap it up.
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