Shadee Elmasry – NBF 177 Calamity in Turkey and Syria
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on a Wednesday, which is a time that we begin every program with a
DUA and a vicar. And the reason for that is that it is Mr. Jab
that dua at this hour between Doha and us at some point, dua will be
accepted. We don't know when. So it's you're encouraged to do the
entire time from the hot sauce. But in the in the case where you
don't have time to do that, then it's
it's recommended to find any time to try to make this dua and I
think that you should always take advantage of it. If you take
advantage of it. Every single Wednesday, out of Allah's
generosity is not going to let you keep knocking one of these days
you'll hit that and your door has to be strong, cannot be mumbled.
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quick shot. You can't hesitate. So no hesitation in dA. So let us
begin with the vicar has been thus
keeping in mind, our brothers and sisters in Turkey. To give you an
example of a Bella Shakur, Abdulkadir Hussein, who is a Sunni
scholar.
He has a sister, believe in Turkey, his sister's family, his
sister has perished in this earthquake, his brother has
perished in this earthquake, that that family had won. Not one, not
two, not three, not four.
Not five, not six, not seven, eight children.
That family had eight children. That is 10 people in the family.
They've all returned to Allah subhanaw taala.
Now we talk about having a calamity.
Talk about having a calamity. That's what we call masiva. That's
one situation where I don't know what my psychological state would
be like if I had 10 people in the family. I haven't. Personally
speaking I have not lost one family member like immediate
family member. I've never experienced it. I've lost a best
friend,
extended relatives and even know what it feels like to have lost
one. Many of us have lost some a very close, intimate, someone that
you lived with in the house at some point. That's what I'm
talking about.
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Today's Wednesday in Sudan, which we cover the affairs of the Omen,
of course, the number one affair of the OMA involves the situation
in Turkey. In which now the death toll has risen, almost you said
11,000 At the very least.
At the very least.
It is
at 11,000, you said right. And so they're pulling people out of the
rubble as we speak. And
the Erdogan has visited these areas.
The death toll has passed. Now, it is past 11,000, according to the
USA Today,
and certain areas of Turkey will be uninhabitable for years. So
that gives you a situation where you're gonna have more Syrian
refugees because many Syrians were there in the first place. And
Syria itself was affected. It was affected outside the government
controlled areas so the Russian soldiers are helping out there.
From not mistaken was outside the government controlled areas whose
I don't know who's controlling the other areas. IKEA has pledged $11
million to Doctors Without Borders. Maybe they're making up
for the bad rep that Sweden got.
Right that Sweden got for the Quran burning Norway. We're going
to cover this Norway, looked at what happened to Sweden preempted
and banned Quran burning. So let's see in the future if Norway gets
some baraka for doing that, because you know that even if
you're careful and you honor religion, you honor the deen.
Allah may compensate you for that. Right. Abdullah have himself as
compensated He's the worst of the worst. He's not rewarded. He's
compensated. Every Monday he gets water between his fingers. It's an
Hadith in Bukhari
in Jahannam, compensated for freeing a slave and being happy
the day that the Prophet was born. So we know that Turkish Airlines
has went off and evacuated people just evacuated 20,000 People from
on Tuesday and 30,000 people I was at where are they going? Right?
These places where are they going to live? Do this the after effects
of these calamities that you don't see? Okay?
Sophia saying IKEA is a very inclusive of Muslims in France,
they accept hijab is where other people refuse them. So IKEA has
got a different philosophy than, than the country that they come
from. And I'm not saying that all of Sweden is like that. But
clearly they did. Show where they stand allowing the Quran to be
burned, but stopping the Torah from being burnt. Of course, we
were not good. We don't want to burn anything. But they whoever
did that did it just to test them and to show their hypocrisy. On
top of that, when we burn a book, that's how we did.
I don't want to say get rid of but dispose of a book of Quran that's
ripped up, we bury it. You put it in water, dissolve it. You do that
stuff nowadays, nothing's gonna happen right? Or you burn it.
So more than 41,000 people have been injured
and they're being distributed to the different hospitals because
obviously 234 hospitals can not just handle handle 10,000 people.
Opposition Leader KML kill which has blamed the devastation on
Aragon's two decade rule saying he did not prepare the country for
data. Are you going to actually use this as a time for politics
seriously.
And now Erdogan is defending the disaster response
you can use it for politics now. A Donna restaurant tours different
kebab restaurant owner
ORS have now just made their open the restaurants for people to
sleep there. And he's feeding them at the same time. Okay, it was
raining and they suddenly just opened up the restaurant. They
said, Forget business. Now at this point, let's just be human beings.
And isn't that, you know, the route that we're supposed to be
taking the capitalist world doesn't really have that ethic.
But
now winter cold adds to the woes of those who have been left
homeless. Right. So some of these images of people
finding children.
You'll see you've seen him, we're not going to show you anything you
haven't seen before. Right? You've seen it all. And so that is that
now, there's another thing that I want to talk about that is so
despicable,
which is Charlie Hebdo.
Charlie Hebdo is a satirical magazine. In France, these people
are just like the lowest of the low of France, who's already the
lowest of the low. When it comes to their age old millennium and a
half a
year old.
Hatred of Muslims, you know that they are the first enemies of
Muslims. The first ones. So once Islam went up and went up to
Spain,
it stopped at France. Some say that the Muslims lost interest
because it was cold and cloudy. And that's not their climate.
Other said no, the French stopped them there. Right. And they didn't
have the muscle. They didn't have the will or energy to go and fight
the French anymore.
Since that time, that's around the year 99. Hey, could you look up on
when did the Battle of Poitiers happen?
Tours? Okay, yeah, battle tours.
The first one, I think there were two 737 32 is when there's a
Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam his born five if we if we
adjusted the the the Gregorian calendar. It's 570 and the Prophet
sallallahu alayhi wa sallam lived 63 years that takes us to 632 is
the date it's 633. But according to the Gregorian calendar, the
solar calendar would have been 632 Is the passing of the prophets. I
said, this battle happened 100 years after the messenger sigh
send them the animosity has remained until today. So in the
year 1732, it's 1000 years of animosity, right. That's in the
year 1732.
So the French and the Muslims are not friends. All right. In his
historically speaking there are the most vicious enemies that
Muslims have had. What are the what are the Crusaders? The first
batch of Crusaders? The bulk of them? Were what? What did the
Muslims call Crusaders? They call them Frank's a French. The French
what are the French it's the French, right? And the French or
the French? So they came in as the Crusaders. In Lebanon.
You have Catholicism, you have French names. You have people with
all sorts of French names.
As Christians,
where did they come from? They're the children of the Crusaders,
because it's crusaders had four main cities that they lived in.
Right. And they ruled from there. One of them.
You know, they the area that lasted longest
was in Lebanon. So Charlie Hebdo has, they're the ones who had the
images of the province. I said Nichols. They made these vicious
cartoons. I think somebody shot them up. Hey, Alma, could you look
that up? All right. Could you look up today? I think some Muslims at
some point went in there and shot up.
Some of the they set up the offices and Charlie Hebdo.
So
that's wrong, right? But you guys go up and you do this stuff. And
you bother people with your words.
And you wonder, you know why you're attracting nut jobs? You
think that you're gonna make a cartoon? Someone's gonna make a
cartoon back? No. If you curse a guy on the street, go somewhere on
the street and curse a guy's wife. You think he's gonna curse your
wife back or he's gonna choke you out? Right? Or he's gonna get
physical with you. So I'm not saying it's right. But I'm saying
What did you expect? Now they did it again. What did they say this
time?
They said this time, they drew a picture of the earthquake.
And they wrote under it. Charlie Hebdo. The tanks no longer needed.
Right tanks no longer needed. That's your response to an
earthquake. Did you see how low these people don't read us? What
happened with the French with the Charlie Hebdo. They got shot up.
In 2015. Two brothers went in and I think ended up killing 12
people, where were they from? So they're
From the peninsula, the Arabian Peninsula, I think they're aware
from where they're saying that it's from al Qaeda. Okay. So
they're probably from Saudi so
the Gulf country, many personalities it says your Twitter
users TV personalities influencers, started to flood the
original posts with counter images of Charlie Hebdo was written on
pieces of toilet paper. Okay.
Who wrote that? Who put that together? Who knows? But I mean,
that's basically this thing is not going well because this is not
like a behavior thing that that you don't like.
It's not a behavior thing that you're like, This is not an
opinion that you know, it's an earthquake. Right.
Your headquarters suffered a tragedy, and you came up with slip
with the slogan. I love Charlie, right?
J sweet Charlie, I guess I don't speak French. Two countries suffer
a tragedy and you come up with a disrespectful scribble, sewer
rats, all of you, says one writer. Not these are Muslims as regular
people, right.
Other users also referred to the 2015 JC sweet jarred Charlie
campaign.
Turkish political commentator, Elsner serene tweeted
that Turks were quick to support the marches in support of freedom
of speech.
Okay, now this is what you get back. You want to support Charlie
Hebdo drawn cartoons of the Prophet, Turkey secularists, this
is what you got back. Just to deal with see what kind of person
you're dealing with.
I would have never put Je Suis Charlie. I don't care what happens
to them. You guys. You insulted a figure that's revealed by a
billion people. You poked a bear. You poked a dying bear. Let's say
hypothetically calling the world of Islam. It's a week. Whatever,
you're gonna get scratched back. I don't sympathize for you.
I don't condone it. It's wrong. But not everything wrong desert
not every victim deserves my sympathy. I go around Newark, New
Jersey. Flashing my cash. I got $5,000 Flashing cash, right? Hey,
it's legal. Am I do something illegal? No, not everything legal.
Not everything legal is smart. There are many legal things that
are outright stupid. So I go flashing cash like this in Camden,
New Jersey, Newark, New Jersey, then I get pummeled and my money
gets stolen then I go crying.
In the attack, two brothers say it and Sharif quashy Other Moroccan
by the spelling of their name, and the time that sheen is spelled
with a ch you know it's from
Morocco, Algeria, or Tunisia. And anytime the W is spelled with
whatever vowels that you have on your keyboard
than that that's also going to be from that area. They claim to
resent represent Okada, like you said, so you're right about Okada
forced their way into Charlie Hebdo. 's office and opened fire
killing 12 People injuring living others.
You really have to have some nerve to do that when you're still
babies.
When they're still babies waiting for help under the rubble said sit
in the Turkish news.
Anchor anchor woman, another Turkish anchor woman. What did she
say more than 5000 people dead many more waiting under the
rubbles rubble freezing 1000s of people still looking for their
families, my family packing bags and having cat craters ready to go
with the fear of another tremor. And you call this humor? Is this
art? Is this humanity?
Okay, says another person. Many users also tweeted that the
drawing was typical of the conservative magazines that
previously published cartoons depicting the prophet peace be
upon him and making light of tragedies in the Middle East. I
think that that's what happens. That was 2015 We're now eight
years later and that's what you see is coming out of these people.
Okay, the only source of income for this newspaper is Islamophobia
the day it starts with an actual it will cease to exist. Okay, the
income of street beggars is cleaner than this newspaper.
Okay, says one person some Turkish politicians, such as Ibrahim
Killeen, has a politician he was a TA at GW under Dr. San Jose NUS.
Guess he wanted to politics. Turkish presidential spokesperson
he said also took to Twitter to slam the cartoon. Modern barbarian
suffocate in your hatred and grudges move to be rather calm as
the Quran says die with your envy with your hate. While the
reception from Turkish pub the Turkish public was overwhelmingly
damning, some chosen
interpreted. Alternatively, that's at that point you're just becoming
a contrarian. One comment on Turkish social media platform axes
those look called on readers to focus on the earthquake victims
and,
and response. In other words, basically saying instead of
criticizing some magazine, criticize what happened, and what
is not being done with regard to the earthquake, our citizens died
are dying. And you're going on about a magazine? Are you trying
to change the agenda? Direct outrage? So this is already God's
enemies, just trying to make him look incompetent. So fine, you
want to make him look incompetent? Make him look incompetent. Tell me
what building
had been warned that it was weak.
Tell me what group out there said, Hey, let's build a shelter. And
Aragon shut it down. Tell us what politician what senator said, Hey,
let's allocate $30 million to earthquake relief. And Erdogan
shut it down. That's that's your answer. You do that.
It happened to George Bush, when Katrina happened? You guys may
have been really young when that happened. But essentially, it was
dams.
And a guy had said, I had investigated those names and
engineer. And I had warned, every official all the way up to George
Bush himself, like the paperwork, got to George Bush himself, then
you could say, and he refused to update the dems, then you could
say,
that's your fault. You were warned about it, right? Same thing that
we said about the prophets cartoon, we shouldn't we should
look up the update on that, where the sister, the professor warns
that Muslim Sister, he or she warned those who weren't all the
Muslims in class. So when you want to blame somebody, you need to
show them that there was a warning given ample time for you to act
and you didn't act. So if the Turkish opposition to Erdogan
shows that we'd be the first people to admit it. And we're not
going to defend the guy just because he's a pious Muslim who
loves Islam. That doesn't mean he's right about everything, we
still support him. But the support of correcting him, right, of
course, obviously, this is all theory, because he's not gonna
listen to us. Although we do have somebody down the road here in
South Brunswick, who went to high school with him and their friends.
But it doesn't mean we have a voice to him. But in theory, in
theory,
if if we have here in data sets, and someone tells us listen,
there's a there's, there's a problem downstairs,
and the building is going to collapse. And I ignore it.
I'm have right to blame me, your support for me is to correct me is
to say, I hope you tastes the pain of this. That's the lesson you're
going to learn in the future. So for the Turkish opposition,
instead of just yapping, show us exactly what it is that any for
anyone from the government had warned Erdogan of or suggested to
Erdogan
to put together I'm sure in your Senate, you have different
branches,
right specialty groups, and there's going to be one group that
is dedicated to earthquake relief, which known that Turkish Turkey is
in
is on a fault line. They had an earthquake about 15 years ago.
That was devastating, maybe 20 years ago, when I went to Turkey
recently, they had an announcement that tomorrow there's going to be
a test, okay, and they tested the system. And everyone stopped and
the whole city was echoing with an announcement. This is an
earthquake go here. If you are live here, go there. But like
whatever it was. So they do have that in order. So you're going to
try to get political on it. Don't get political, get factual. And
simply tell, tell everyone tell the world if you want to, we want
her daughter to go on. We said we need 30 million people $30
million, or whatever it is.
Liras or euros or whatever. And we need to make an earthquake site
and you turn it down.
And then people should feel feel the pain. That's how we support
him, we support him, but feel the pain that you caused by but in the
absence of all that, you have no case against him. Am I making
sense, objective measure of who is innocent or guilty, not just you
could have done more.
It's just vague like that. An objective measure and then our
position as much as he is someone who is known as one of the few
world leaders who openly loves Islam, and he supports Muslims and
he believes what we believe and he supports the cause of God and His
Prophet. He can still make mistakes, right, big ones. And no
problem. The two aren't
exclusive. And that's the beauty of our religion is that it a
followership of a shake of a leader does not necessitate
becoming some kind of blind advocate. Let's
Just go with the facts.
If my leader makes a blunder, make a blunder, we'll blame you for it.
Right? Doesn't mean we don't follow you anymore, even unless
it's like there's some level that we won't follow your level of
incompetence, we can't follow you anymore. loss of confidence.
Corruption
is still a Muslim that we respect because you're out of this
position.
But that's the beauty of our deen is that it allows us and people
who don't make don't do that, you're really wrong in yourself.
And you're gonna end up forcing yourself. Like to lie to yourself,
and believe something that's just not true. In a blind support of
your leader, and you're sick. I love the story of a man who a
rumor went around about a chef everyone abandon the chef except
one guy. Okay. And like one, one modied. And the chef said to him,
why don't you follow with everyone else? Why are you sticking around?
He said, I never took You as my share with the belief that you're
a prophet Matoba to God and not gonna be I followed you knowing
that you're the best one here worthy of following and that you
still make mistakes. Despite that, you're still the best one worthy
of following. And then he was cleared from the scandal that was
around him. He was proven innocent of that scandal. And of course,
that Sheikh Said who was with me in the hardest time, you're the
next.
When the sheikh had died, he passed on the seat and the whole
institution to that young man.
The platform this is a social Turkish social media allows people
to comment and at 45 pages of comments on the page for the
cartoon at the time of the article's publication. The twin
earthquakes, which occurred on Monday have caused widespread
devastation. With rescue efforts still in progress in Turkey. More
than 4500 people have died and over 26,000 have been wounded.
While in Syria. It was 1600 dead and 3600 wounded.
But these are old numbers. These are old numbers 9000 in Turkey.
Yes. 2000. Syria, the who was saying that it could go up to
20,000 debt.
What's up with the earthquake in the West Bank? Is that related to
the turkey one? Because there's there's also one in Palestine that
happened yesterday, I think let's look at look it up. Yeah, so I'm
looking at it right now. It's a magnitude 4.1 4.1 earthquake in
the West Bank and affected mainly Palestine. Okay. And 55
Palestinians just says were killed in earthquake. So this is after
that whole turkey in Syria. Palestine earthquake. Yeah, West
Bank earthquake. I'm not sure if that's small though. Yes, but you
know, it was still 4.1 Is it half? Yeah, but I think it says 60
people at least 60 people died still okay, I'm ready. Here it is
magnitude 4.1 earthquake.
Minor earthquake it says here, but it was felt across the West Bank.
And
there they're saying here that
it was the 3.5 to four on the Richter scale.
I was sitting in front of my TV and suddenly I saw the lamp move.
I felt disoriented. My neighbor came outside because he was afraid
the building would come down. The IDF Home Front Command said that
it did not operate the earthquake warning siren since there was no
danger to Israelis.
So you're okay with danger happening to non Israelis?
That just goes to show everything about these these types.
Okay.
There's another prophecy is coming into, you know, truth right in
front of a
lot of earthquakes. Let's read some other news here. This out of
England.
Okay. Prevent England, they have an organization called prevent
it's a wing of the government. And in America, it's called CVE. Let's
we're going to read about both of them that today. Yeah.
These are basically the government's hand to to monitor
and control Muslims. And Muslims tend not to trust anyone who's
involved with these two organizations.
Unfortunately, some of our Shyu
at one point excepted
prevent money
to run their conferences, right.
It looks like it was a misstep because there was a reaction from
the people people tend not to want any government involved in their
religion. Okay. It just looks at Shady why because we don't know
your your your agenda at this point. Are you following the
government agenda? Are you just doing the dean? So the
government's controversial counter extremism strategy prevent
is now turning
away from far right homegrown extremists
us away from that Trump's style white extremists.
All teachers have to take it. All teachers have to wow Subhanallah
that comment on Instagram. So a teacher saying that all teachers
have to get prevent training, right? So on the one hand, we
understand the government has to make sure there's no terrorism
happening in their country, I get that. But on the other hand, the
Muslims will tend not to really be comfortable around a community
leader who has to go back and report to the government. Like,
what are you going to say about me? This now, I can't deal with
you. Because if you have a personal grudge, that may end up
translating over there, right?
They should focus more on Islamism than far right extremism, a new
government report has recommended, you know, I had a guy who ratted
me out to one of my teachers in Egypt. And he said, Oh, be
careful. He's, he's with the Muslim Brotherhood. Like, I never
once read a letter, read a letter on a website about an article, or
of the Muslim Brotherhood. I have zero connection to Muslim
Brotherhood zero. But I don't know what it is, why would say
something like that?
Because I tend to have the belief that I would support a Muslim
leaning politician. Over and I, I've talked about this, right. If
I have to choose between the two, let's say they're both in many
ways, I'm up against them. Fine, but if I'm gonna have to choose
the lesser of two harms, I'll go with the guy who at least respects
Allah and Quran. Right? That's a common sensical view. And it's,
it's a it's an opinion, opinions can be debated. Like it's a belief
from it's it's a it's a position. positions can be dead, I guess,
because of that. And then he went and told my teacher, he said, Be
careful. He supports the Muslim Brotherhood. My teacher was like,
No, he doesn't. It's not even close. Not even close. Anyway,
that's why you worry if people have are involved with a
government you never know if a personal issue between them is
going to transit in them ratting you out. I don't know.
Okay.
Here is a teacher from England says I reported a student because
she had far right views. She was put on Prevent, but it's mainly
aimed at Muslim kids. So they for a while we had a break when Trump
came in he issued for us a breather because now all the
negative negativity went towards
far right wing extremists. Now I guess they're swinging the other
way again. So the long awaited review of prevent by the right
wing William Shawcross was released earlier today, and its
recommendations will be accepted in full by the government. In his
foreword to the report, Shaw Cross says mean crosses in his name so
you could tell which way is going to go towards Muslims right?
There's probably a reason that crosses in his name probably comes
from a lineage of hardcore Christians. But let's see maybe
maybe, that's has completely unrelated prevent must return to
its core mission, countering all those ideologies that can lead
people to committing or supporting acts of terrorism. This can only
be done if prevent properly understands the nature of these
ideologies and how they attract and and, and suborn individuals.
It is correct for prevent, to be increasingly concerned about the
growing threat from the extreme right. But the facts clearly
demonstrate that most of the most lethal threat in the last 20 years
has been Islamism. And this threat continues, prevent must address
all extremist ideologies proportionately according to the
threat each represents. However, my research shows that the present
boundaries around what is termed by prevent, as extremist Islamic
ideology are drawn to narrowly while the boundaries around the
ideology of the extreme right were too broad. Right. So what about
what will the boundaries be if I recite Souter to Toba?
That has verses of jihad. And now if I just recited if it's on my
website, if I publish it in a quote on translation, like how far
are these boundaries going?
This does not allow prevent to reflect accurately and deal
effectively with the lethal risks we actually face. Shawcross went
on to say that authorities must tackle non violent Islamist
extremism that produces an environment that is conducive to
terrorism. Prevent is not doing enough to counter non violent
Islamists. Challenging extremist ideology should not be limited to
prescribed organizations but should also cover domestic
extremists operating below the terrorism threshold, who can
create an environment conducive to terrorism? Guy prevent has a
double standard when dealing with right wing
Wing extremism and Islamism prevent, takes an expansive
approach to the right wing, but a narrow approach to Muslims
capturing a variety of influences that at times have been so broad.
It has included mildly controversial or provocative forms
of the mainstream right wing leaning commentary that has no
meaningful connection
to terrorism. However, with Islam, with Islamism, just say slammer
and cut it right, just stop trying to try to separate yourself from
just say Islam. Right. Islamism is like political Islam, right any
Islam that has a political motive, basically, anyone who believes
that the law of Allah should be applied on the earth.
Prevent tends to take a much narrower approach centered around
prescribed organizations ignoring the contribution of non violent
Islamist narratives and networks to terrorism. Prevent must ensure
a consistent and evidence based approach to setting its threshold
and criteria and ensures it does not overlook key nonviolent
radicalizing influence.
He also takes aim at the critics of prevent
other democracies have programs similar to prevent but rarely are
these subjected to the same critical attack as as Britain,
Britain's preventing Britain. What are the most constant and strident
accusations? Is that prevent unfairly targets Muslims living
here, this is not the case. Fine, I'm willing to accept that, by the
way.
I'm willing to accept it from the British but not from the French.
The British are not some innocent, you know, pigeons either. But
they tend to be a little bit more reserved than the French, the
French are just open about it. Islamism as an ideology is not the
same as Islam as a faith fine. Let's see what he has to say.
Because there it is possible.
In many parts of the world, Muslims are the principal victims
of Islamist extremism, true in both its non violent and violent
manifestations, millions have been killed and had their lives ruined
by al Qaeda, Islamic State ISIS, Boko Haram and others, correct?
100%. Correct. It is not anti Muslim to try to stop to try to
prevent the spread of this brutal ideology into Britain. I totally
agree I would be the first person to stop it with you. Right? Except
that I won't work with the government because then the people
will trust you.
In conducting this review, I've seen firsthand the essential work
carried out everyday by police, health workers, local authorities,
social service staff, teachers and prison officers across the
country. It is they who take the onerous responsibility of raising
concerns when they feel that individuals are at risk of being
radicalized by dangerous ideologies. It's very puts us in a
very odd, tough situation when non believers are policing looked at
Yeah. Right. That's essentially what we have here.
Here's the orthodoxy of the dean. There are innovators over there.
The kofod are upset with the innovators. What do we do we have
to side with them now? Then we look like traders. If we side with
the innovators, then we're supporting innovation and harm if
we stay silent. To me, that's tacit approval. It could be viewed
as tacit approval of the innovator. But I think when you
went when you have
an extremist, an innovator
and the non Muslim government going at it,
I think you just have to sit back and watch you don't have no near
the horse. And I think the the nominal sum was right in that
case, but if you support them, you'll look like a trader, but I
think you do end up having to take it case by case it kind of came
from not being harsh for them to begin with. Yes. Just let them go.
It's not that major. Yep. You know, they're their own group.
They become the main thing. Yeah, representing Islam. And now the
disbelievers they don't have the same superficial attitude towards
them. So they have to deal with that and have to crack down on
it the this is the unsung and often dangerous work which should
be praised and said these men and women are too often abused by some
bad faith actors who seek to undermine prevent, by I understand
that the British every government has to have an organization like
this, but it's just that Muslims can't really be involved. Okay.
I don't think he can be involved your community will never trust
you again. Right? I would never deal with somebody because I don't
know if I cross him in some way shape and form if we have a
personal follow up anyway, how can I deal with you my my dealing with
you will be hypocrisy my dealing with you will be like oh, don't
screw up with this report you right.
And so I'm gonna have to deal with you like that.
You
It would probably be more like, what would you think right? If we
had a masjid and
the prevent is going to send their people to the masjid. Right? Would
you be more comfortable with a non Muslim coming in?
And you know, he's not a believer, he's not from your community. And
he comes in and say, Hey, guys, listen, I got to do a check. All
right, check what you guys are doing. I'm not going to check your
private texts and your private meetings, your public activity and
this mosque. Right. Personally speaking, I welcome you, I would
welcome to local, not welcomed like, officially, but I have no
problem with local law enforcement coming in. So I gotta listen to
your speeches and hear you're not breaking any laws, or inspiring
people to hate our country, and to do harm. If he comes. I know, son,
and I'll give you doubt, you will love our community. If it's fair,
right? If it's fair,
that I would rather that than they put in a Muslim who we don't know.
And you chose someone from our community. Now, I don't know who
to trust anymore. And the problem is like, it wouldn't even matter
if there was like ethical practices in it. But like, a lot
of times you hear these stories of someone being put under cover or
whatever. And they'll find someone who was like mentally unstable,
and they convinced that person to go become extreme. So that's, what
did they call that?
entrapment? It's actually not a really big story. A few years ago,
stand out as an Albanian Master, my brother in law, he lives there
and everything. And he told me that, um, there was this Pakistani
guy, right. And he was like a normal guy that everyone knew. He
used to pray like almost every pray in the masjid. Two years
later, he'd been going to for two years, they found someone who's
just cleaning up behind the stage or whatever that they had. And he
heard the guy behind the stage talking to one of the kids and
teaching them extremists practices, and get him on board.
And they found out, they call the cops on this guy. And so the cops
come, and he pulls down FBI events.
Because I'm the FBI. Well, that's entrapment. For two years, this
guy was there. And they found that he was training the kids slowly
but surely, and getting involved with so that's where you totally
lose everyone's trust. And it happened. There was a guy in LA in
a masjid, and this is out there, it's in the news and everything.
He converted to Islam, he joined the cute little tiny little mosque
on the prairie type of community in the suburb of Los Angeles.
And this guy would,
yeah, little mosque on the prairie type of community. And now there's
this white convert that he wants to be part of this community,
right? So fine. So for two years in the community, but he always is
talking about Jihad and stuff, the mosque events, he just called the
local police and said, Listen, we got evidence on this guy. All he's
talking about jejeje head, they come in, they arrest the guy, and
then they they book him. When he's there. He says, You fools. I'm an
undercover agent.
So here you have the masks should get rewarded. They actually read
it the guy out, or they rightfully sent him away, you're going to
screw the screw up the whole community here.
That's where it's actually permitted to do this. Because at
that point, you're endangering the entire community, we have to send
we gotta report you, right?
So if you're going to do something like that. So in track, once the
entrapment happens, there's no trust at all, in the community,
this little Pakistani guy. So let's think about the trust issue
there. It's not like some conduit where, you know, some people might
not know where he's where it's coming. This is like the lone
community. So now that's like a completely new issue of trust
issues. And was he somebody from the community or a foreign or like
a stranger who moves in? I think it was like, he wasn't well known
with the community. But he started to assimilate with them, like two
years, and he kind of got to know them. And slowly he was teaching
the kids. That's from what I hear. Yeah, that's crazy. And that is
kind of an old story. But here's the problem with them, once you
take on a security job, and essentially, that's what this is,
it's a security job.
Your budget goes down, the safer things get. That's the problem. So
if I have a store, and I and one guy throws a rock at my store, I
say, Well, now I have to invest in a security guard. So I hire an
agency and I pay them you know, 50 grand a year, to stand in front of
my store, just have a big guy sit in front of the store. That's it.
Now four years go by nothing happens. What do I do?
I tell the agency, no, thank you. I lost I'm done. Nothing's gonna
happen. No, there's a waste of money here.
Then what that security, if that keeps happening, those security
agents benefit from some act of violence that happens. And that is
the paradox of security and defense.
It may be working but you'll never know that it's working. That's the
problem. That's the problem was with with good security. You never
know how many people saw the secure dark and kept walking
versus nothing's happening at all. So the problem with this is that
they end up
doing acts of entrapment to ensure that their budget no it gets
replenished.
So that's that's the issue there. Now what's the Muslim reaction to
prevent
out of a CQ the advocacy advocacy group cage Muslim advocacy group,
which was negatively mentioned several times in the report said
the Shah cross review proposes a renewed hardline approach to
bolster and infrastructure of authoritarian laws and approach
underpinning
underpinned by exploiting Muslim prejudices. The reset of the
prevent strategy is an admission of its failure, a vindication of
cage and other critics at the forefront of highlighting the
policies inherently flawed and bigoted nature. The Shah cross
review is the work of right wing Islamophobic lobbies
within the state now, by the way, just because a group is Muslim
doesn't mean I'm going to accept at face value, their
characterization of Shawcross as Islamophobic maybe right maybe
wrong. Okay.
So two interest groups espouse a well documented commentary of anti
Muslim prejudice or pro torture,
and the securitization of Muslim communities across the US or UK.
Consequently, the review fails to meet basic standards of
impartiality, balance and fairness. The review avoids any
analysis of lessons learned, but instead focus on the artificial
case for more surveillance and more policing. It's no surprise
therefore, that critics are labeled as extreme in order to
blacklist them from deflect and to deflect attention from valid
criticism Now, why is Shawcross a Islamophobic or untrustworthy
person? It could be but
just show us what GMO stuff on Instagram says this also happened
RMS in Virginia, we have used to have a decent sized library
someone planted a book on bomb creation. But we found out it was
planted by an uncovered undercover federal agent.
So entrapment I wonder what the follow up is the guy got, you
know, arrested? Is there a punishment when they do that who
punishes them or they take into into account?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Obviously at least people start to find out Yeah.
William Shawcross is now targeting groups he failed to disrupt during
his tenure at the Charity Commission is his Islamophobic
views and links to right wing think tanks Henry Jackson society
and Policy Exchange are well known as his his personal vendetta
against cage. There must be an immediate withdrawal of prevent
from the public sector, as it is now clear that an intrusive
surveillance role is for MI five and the police and should never
have been imposed on mainstream public officials. Ns Mustafa
cages head of public advocacy added cage has worked tirelessly
to reveal
the acute dangers of the prevent strategy and how it is used by the
government as a tool to securitize Britain's community right? Why
don't we take this name down and see if he'd be willing to come on
for an interview?
And that's Mustafa with a pH Mustafa spelled with a pH.
Okay,
because I would ask questions like just because a Muslim tells me
someone's Islamophobic I'm not gonna just accept that. Right. And
I would want to ask like we don't we do recognize that a nation has
got to have security if I was a country I'd have security I would
want to know what every public temple saying about our country,
right about my my monarchy, I want to know what you're saying. If
you're causing problems, we're going to take care of you right.
I can't go into your phones and tap you unless I have a reason
wiretap in later this cage calls for the abolishment of prevent
altogether. Wow.
Cage has produced an eight step framework towards building a
healthy safe society without prevent is only possible with the
repeal of counterterrorism laws and ethical overhaul of British
foreign policy, an end to austerity and decoupling of public
service from counterterrorism entirely. So I want to know how to
develop an opinion on this okay.
I wonder and I'm curious if we get Ennis Mustafa Shouldn't we get a
prevent representative to counter right to be fair?
Right.
All right. What do you think right?
Yeah, that's affairs of the OMA.
This is affairs of the OMA now
I don't know if they'll agree to come on at the same time at the
same time, they probably the prevent person would be not
allowed, probably. But if we interviewed the prevent person,
separately,
I don't know who's telling the truth and who's like, I'm gonna
assume that the advocate cares more
for our cause as Muslims,
let's look at the American version
of prevent.
We have the same thing. It's called CVE.
racial and religious profiling is ineffective and wrong, get federal
and local government agencies routinely target surveil, and
track American Muslims under the guise of a program called CVE. Or
countering violent extremism. This profile is no different than
police targeting African Americans while driving or Latinos at the
border. Yet CVE, which was started under the Obama administration has
a softer image, the money is given to you know, most Americans don't
even know what CVE is, only some Muslims know about it. The money
is given to so called community groups to purportedly identify
individuals who are at risk. So you're asking us to spy on each
other? That I'm telling you, that's the problem. I don't think
anyone will have will, everyone will understand.
Okay.
If it, if someone outside the community of just a law officer
comes in and says, Listen, stuff happens. We got to listen to the
hookah.
Listen, all you want, right? But once you start using people in the
community, okay. This is what they called COINTELPRO back in the day.
Okay. And you just can't trust anybody anymore.
What's happening here? Some top Muslim leaders are part of this
organization, these organizations
because we didn't do it ourselves.
Yeah, that's true. And we didn't have the executive power to shut
these people down. Unless we should have just gone outside the
law extra judicial, which I am always it's an option, in my
opinion, right? It is an option. extra judicial behavior is an
option if you have somebody who's causing problems in your
community. But there isn't really like
some kind of direct way to stop them legally.
There is a line that you may think about crossing to intimidate them.
And it's legal influencing.
Okay, as I told you, my friend Romeo, well, I want him to be my
friend, right?
He No, no, he is my friend. But we haven't
hung out enough
to be official friends, let's say my acquaintance.
And
he says, I'm an influencer, right? I influence people to behave in a
certain manner within the boundaries of the law. Right? So
he's a guy who's just a monster, when you look, he's like, bigger
than, than a tight end. Okay. And he will scare the daylights out of
you.
And to influence you to behave in a certain manner, but he will not
break the law. He doesn't want to go to jail for 50 bucks an hour,
right? Not going to jail for you and me.
But he knows the line and he will get to that line. Okay. And he
will make sure you behave properly. I'm a big advocate of
opening the discussion, just a discussion. I'm not saying we're
going to do it if utilizing such people when needed, okay.
But what they do is they go into the community, and they basically
hire moles, and now you don't trust these people. While this may
sound innocuous, the reality is that the at risk factors these
programs use have been consistently debunked, as junk
science by every single serious study evaluated whether whether
they really predict radicalization or not they're trying to find what
predicts radicalization.
Since no one knows exactly how to identify someone who will be an
extremist CVE proponents have made up some very disturbing metrics of
their own.
Do you attend religious services? Do you play video games? So you
pray and you shoot guns in a video games? If you say yes to either
you can be at risk.
So most of us go paintballing they're at risk. This targeting of
American Muslims is deeply troubling.
Okay.
I want more on the article.
Okay, this is old stuff. But nonetheless, I want just to give
everyone information about CVS, go to this other article.
that is telling everyone what CVE is.
Right? And this article is by Muslim Justice League, I don't
know who they are, again, I'm not just going to
support somebody just blanketly just because they're Muslims. I
don't know them, who runs the Muslim Justice League?
Lawyers that I'm not really familiar who they are, but let's
see what they're saying. Okay.
And here's the thing, that at the street level, at the basic level,
who is actually going to be in talks with CV and prevent? I would
probably think,
I probably think that it's going to be liberal Muslims. Right. I
could be wrong. But I would think that so therefore, if a liberal
milsim now has a clash with you on on Twitter, and that person works
with prevent, and they go back and they talk to the big bosses over
there. Is my name going to come up now? Because we had a spat on
Twitter. That's the distrust that's going on here. Spies
essentially.
Good. So let's read about this MJL Muslim justice the GRE I guess
we're giving them free publicity to find its affairs, are they Oh,
my needs, and we need to know what organizations are out there. We
may benefit from them and we may not. In the meantime, right? Could
you pull up our sponsor for today?
While while I read this Muslim Justice League, their mission is
to organize an advocate for communities whose rights are
threatened under the national security state in the US, led by
Muslims are organizing brings justice to all communities deemed
suspect, or suspect MJL was founded. I think have an MJ in
your name is really good. Because everyone Yes, everyone loves
Michael Jordan. And it gets like it's got a mental association for
a split second, right. For that split second. You see MJ and
you're in you feel happy, right?
What did he get?
Is all time scorer. Yeah, he's still not the all time winner in
my in my view. He's passed, Kareem, everyone. Yeah. Now,
LeBron is definitely top five. But no one's passing Michael Jordan.
And to me it's, as Steven a Smith would say blasphemous. There's
Bidda in sports, right? And to question that who is the goat in
my view? Is he's the winner Michael Jordan. Okay, you got one
game to play for your life. You got one game
will Chamberlain just because he just so tall? That makes sense.
That makes sense. People said that he played against like people that
he played next to like people who are working part time as farmers
and plumbers and fire fireman.
So
are you gonna go with you got one game for your life? Okay, there's
one bullet. It's either gonna be emptied, or you're gonna get
killed. And that game is played by either LeBron MJ, Michael Jones.
Some people that music people they think that they hold Michael
Jackson. But to me it's It's Michael Jordan, right.
Kareem will.
Who else?
Kobe or Shaq? Okay.
Let's really quickly narrow it down because MJ is going to outdo
Kobe, LeBron, LeBron, Shaq Kareem
or Michael Jordan, right?
If you want to win games, if you want to win, it's Michael Jordan.
If you want to amass absurdly monstrosity,
like numbers that are just absurd, it's Lebron James. The guy is a
freak of nature, right? Physically. He's gonna have more
he I think he already has more appearances in the champions in
the title but as a winner lot. He's took trashy teams to the
title teams that didn't even belong in the playoffs. LeBron
James comes in. And they go to the playoffs. They go to the finals,
so. So he's definitely I think at the end of the day, it's going to
be Michael and LeBron. It's that's a tough two. That's it. It's got
to be in that order, though. If nothing else is acceptable. Good.
All right. Let's go back to MJL that most people here are saying
Michael Jackson. But I would just say Mike, it's to me, it's Michael
Jordan. But
that's why LeBron called himself that go please. You lost too much.
You lose too much. Right?
Shaq And Kareem they were
they were using Muslim terminology. People kind of
highlighted that because that's the first time they were publicly
using Mike in one interview. Yeah, so yesterday I'm shakin creamer
talking because I passed. He started off with saying salam ala
insha Allah he's using Muslim terminology. Yeah, both of them.
Yeah, there
To open the you know, that's cool kind of highlighted like this the
first time we've heard these people. Yeah, well, that's cool.
Okay, now here we go.
MJL was founded, by the way, everything on the vision page of
an organization is going to be good, right? It's not like it's
going to be bad, but it's not going to tell us everything about
them because there's always a backstory. Okay. But to be fair,
MJL was founded on principles that discrimination towards any group
and dangers, the rights of all, and that Muslim advocacy is
essential force for promoting justice. Well, I mean, why don't
you just called Justice League?
Right?
Muslim Justice League is assuming that you're going to focus on
Muslims. So they are going to predominantly we serve Muslims,
but in general, they serve everybody find MJL is organizing
centers community heavily impacted by surveillance and policing in
the US. That's very good. While we focus predominantly on
Massachusetts, and especially Boston, we also lead a national
advocacy effort, the stop CVE national network, so they're
openly against CV. Okay, so maybe we get someone from this
organization to talk about CVE Why don't you put that down there, I
guarantee I'm going to get a text message from somebody telling me
about their experience with somebody from this organization.
That's usually how things work. But don't text me anything if
you're not going to even call the Muslim Justice League. Don't text
me anything, unless you're going to provide some objective
evidence. Don't say I tried to talk to these people. They're
jerks. They're this that give me objective things.
MJL is the right space blah, blah, blah. We support Muslims because
Muslim communities are on the front line fine. We're building a
world where communities have access to resources or good it was
founded by for Muslim women in Boston in 2014 in response to a
pressing need for local Muslim led defense of our communities.
War on Terror MJL has advocated since our founding, okay, etc,
etc.
All right. And that is written by or the quote, the antagonist to
surveillance is not privacy, it is community, a saying by a rune can
deny it. Okay, so.
All right. That's them now.
You're not gonna get much now let's see what they say about CV.
It's a campaign driven by national security, intelligence, and
federal law enforcement agencies that purports to steer people off
the pathways to radicalization and extremism. However, CV is not
supported by sound evidence, it is rooted so this is what I like to
speak facts, okay. It is rooted in discredited theories that radical
beliefs may predict the propensity to commit politically motivated
violence.
In practice, CVE falsely legitimizes discrimination against
Muslims and dissidents. CVE programs often recruit non law
enforcement professionals, doctors, counselors, teachers,
imams and others. That's the problem right here. Okay to engage
in soft surveillance.
Uh, what should be our policy V to somebody that we know, is the CVE?
Basically, I guess would it be agent
on my politic my policy would have to you would have to be my
relationship to you is now a cinematic and welcome Sena. I
don't know what you're going to say about me. Especially someone
who readily says their opinion, right?
I don't know. So when there's doubt you stay away, I think
Right? Definitely. You're not going to come to my house? That's
for sure. Okay.
That's key right there to doctors, counselors, professionals in this
field? Yeah, they're not professional. So people. So how do
you how do they know how to weigh evidence, right? That this is
going to lead to a crime or how many times has somebody caught
gone to the police are called the police? screaming, crying, right.
And then the police officer gets there and says what happened? And
he tells a long story. And at the end of the story, the officer says
no law has been broken.
And you're like, what? He's a jerk bla bla bla.
Sorry, ma'am. Nothing I could do. You know, why don't you call him
talk to him? Right. But from what I'm looking,
he looks at his partner. Has any law been broken here? No laws have
been broken here.
So
so this is called the Muslim Justice League. I'm sure there are
other advocacy groups out there. In the Islamic of course care is a
the biggest one who else is out
They're What's that Turkish brother?
He's always doing care work. What's his name? Again? He's a
really tall one. Know?
How send what
hasn't Shibley he works on that stuff. But he retired from that.
There's another Turkish brother. I can't remember his name. But that
brother, he's always doing that is that word? Stop. cve.com has a
website. I guess we're going to become on their watch list if we
keep reading these websites, right. But for the CVE people out
there
if you're watching us, I mean, if you're doing your job, you should
have a file for nothing but facts. We're just reading the facts here.
We're just reading what these people say. As I said before, it
should be in the hands of law enforcement. Nobody would say
anything but to recruit insiders. And do this COINTELPRO okay, it's
not gonna work. Right.
Mohammed Salim, is that his name? No, it's not ringing a bell.
Well, what's so funny?
I think they changed the name to CP three. Star Wars. CP three.
Chris, Chris Paul, the third. Chris, are they serious? The
center Center for Prevention Programs, and partnerships, CP
three. So you're gonna name your intel on a guy who doesn't win
games. He never wins championships. He does not show up
in the big game. He's not the guy you want playing for you.
Chris Paul, if I'm not mistaken, he was on the suns last year. They
went to game seven against Dallas and got blown out on home court
embarrassed in their own home court. And he couldn't put an end
to it.
Think this is super sloppy actually just forget us from their
side, if I'm working for them. Just looking at this. I would say
this is super sloppy the way we're operating on these things. No
professionals, you just lay people, it's actually doing worse
for you. Because it's a waste of your time. Yep. Because 99% of
these so called accusations, there's gonna be brushed off
because of the date speculation. Why don't I Why don't I ask this
question. If hypothetically, a country is suspecting a community.
And you literally send a an officer in uniform, to attend the
public events with the explicit declaration. I'm here to make sure
that no laws are being broken in your speech, that you are not
rallying the crowd against us when it comes to marches or whatever.
Thank you very much. A cop comes to a march. Okay. And, and he says
that, and I say to you know what I'm gonna say to him, I'm going to
say, give me the book, give me the law book. So I can abide by it.
Right? Give me the law book.
And that law book says, Thou shalt not, you know, tell the Muslims
that all Americans are terrible. Fair enough. Thou shalt not say,
like speak in such a manner that would induce any motion against
the populace.
And thou shalt
tell the your of your congregation to obey the law.
I need a logbook. Now you give me that logbook? And you come in
front of everyone with your uniform? Well, we'll get you a
chair. Right. We'll get you Desi Chai. Good. By the way, I have
something to say about tasty Chai.
And
I think that would set sail people don't mess around in this mosque.
There's law in this month. But when you put a spy in there, a guy
comes in he's a he's an Uber driver or, or someone who broke
their greencard, right? Or sorry, someone who broke their visa, that
guy, you foster a situation where nobody trusts anybody. Right. And
it doesn't prevent anything, I think an overt, I'm just saying
possibly, I'm not some expert in this field, but I'm using my own
common sense. So everyone could feel that they have a different
take. You can take this as Miss add another ear. And that's
something that already knowledge that we all have to have one
opinion on. But that's my opinion. Am I making sense? I would feel
like okay, I don't know why you guys are targeting us. But I don't
have to like you. I don't have to like you. Right. You don't have to
like me, but you're doing your job, and I'm going about my
business. But you need to give me the law book first. Just like when
I drive in a car, I need the law book of when I get a ticket. You
cannot give me tickets on something that's not on a book. If
I didn't read the law book. That's my problem. And they do that all
the time. Oh, this is the law. I didn't know it's a lot. Well,
tough luck you should have bring her your lover. You should have
read the law book.
CVE is a framework that institutionalizes the fallacy that
Muslims are inherently violent, and especially targets individuals
who express signs of religiosity or political activism.
CVC
Now sources policing to community leaders by training them to
profile people based on behaviors, especially religion, race and
politics that they should go down south because now there are
churches in this country saying America is the great Satan.
There are white Protestant churches saying that no CVE and
counter extremism models use the discredited radicalisation theory,
a theory entirely based on Islamophobic premises. These
theories are, are like they're hit or miss theories. Let me tell you
what else is like that in court cases. There have been decades
where a suppose it expertise has been deemed to be a completely
debunked failure. Let me give you an example. blood splatter
in your blood splatter has completely turned out to be a gift
cannot be used as evidence. bite marks, bite marks cannot be used
as evidence, right? They've proven this over the over time by
basically assessing the conclusions of the so called
experts against other evidences that showed up later. And they
showed us completely relative. So blood splatter doesn't really tell
you much. bite marks don't tell you much. There's a lot of
theories out there that have been used. They theorize all you want
but when someone's going to jail, I need a little bit more than a
speculation. Right? Or a theory that is just being experimented
with. Especially when it's from lay people. I mean, yeah, you
gotta they have no idea what they're talking about. They're not
they know nothing about Islam. Yeah, especially when you're
you're you're basically telling a guy who broke his visa,
how he's trustworthy. You broke your visa, you want to go to jail.
I know, you're illegal here. You want to go to jail? No, I don't
want to go to jail. Okay, then you work for us. Now. That's how they
operate. It's so you're getting a guy who's already compromised in
his life? Who has broken the law? Now he's going to help implement
the law. Right? I would say how much are they paying you? I'll pay
you more to shut up.
Man, he'll accept it. Alright, so
it was profiling, and he can identify those who will enact
violence according to this theory. Okay. CVE is driven by national
security and federal law enforcement and claims to prevent
violence but CVE does not prevent violence. CVE outsources policing
to community leaders and helping professionals recruiting and
training them to use behavioral profile, which embeds a culture of
policing and increases racial and religious profiling. Let me tell
you something else that I'm against to Sufis take advantage of
this and they say, Oh, well have ism leads to terrorism. ISIS is
what have you, oh, God, selfie, right?
You are untrustworthy in our community, if you go that route,
okay, that you are going to rat people out that, you know, you
know, that 99% of the Wahhabis that you deal with and debate with
on the internet, and you despise their guts, and they despise you,
you know, they don't break any laws.
They have such a law abiding philosophy called the hacky media,
where they go on there, she'll say, if our President and our King
commit Zina,
and he commits luat. And he sleeps with his mother, and he drinks and
he does all of that you still obey Him.
That is their own shield saying that. So there's Jihad itself is
and there's non jihadi Salafis. But to me, I'm not going that
route, not only I'm going that route, I'm against you at this
point, because I can't trust you. You are going to be slimy, and
take your theological debates, and transform it now and use this
false theory to throw your theological enemies under the bus.
It's slimy, in my opinion, if you're going to tell me that all
the terrorist groups are selfie,
you got a correlation and causation. I got a correlation
there, for sure. Is it causation? No, I'll tell you what it is.
There's another thread of thought that creeps up with those selfies.
It's not selfie by itself that causes that
proof being the Methodist. Okay, as I said, if I ran a country, I'm
going to import my studies obey me because they're all about obeying
the ruler, obey me go make a molded, go teach. I wasn't
yesterday's updated book, right?
Are they all about obeying the ruler? Okay, good. So I want you
to hear obey me, right?
Go into set and teach this. Let them teach that do exactly what I
tell you because they're all about obeying the ruler.
So they're as heavy as it gets in their updated
it's some other ideas that got into their head, and some other
factors that got into their head that caused those groups to exist.
So I'll be the first to tell you that this is slimy. It's complete,
slimy behavior and complete.
Throwing your theological religious rivals under the bus
through this philosophy. I guarantee it could turn on you.
Right. They could turn on you. CV recruits, community members fade
Leaders, counselors, teachers, doctors, therapists, and others.
Okay, service providers, people who serve as someone who deals
with you. Good to monitor the behaviors. Wait a second.
Why am I accepting that as a fact?
If we're going to be fair here, and we're nothing but facts, why
am I accepting the statement of stop cv.com?
That they hired these people as a fact? Can they please show
evidence? Right? So yeah, it's really bad.
But how do I know that? That's a fact. Okay. And am I right to
question that? I'm not saying it's impossible. But I said, I'm saying
that show evidence when you make a massive claim like that, that is a
big claim. Fine, it could be right.
Our demands are simple ncbe. Community for repair the community
by
community forums and congregational congressional
hearings, led by impacted Muslim communities on the harms of CVE.
And invest, reallocate all CVE funding to the Department of
Homeland Security, Department of Justice. All right.
And to other non law enforcement, federal agencies under guidance of
impacted communities, they changed the name to CP three.
Okay, so well, who who's running this website? I'm not a fan of
ambiguous websites, to be honest with you, about us, contact us.
You can't come and come with some big
statement like this and not have a name behind it. Right? And no, no
sourcing? Stop. cv.com seems like it's got an excellent
motive. But who's behind it?
What's your name? And what's your evidence that they have hired? Is
it is it some widely known evidence that that doesn't require
a citation.
Okay, so I applaud the goal. But I have just some critiques on the
method here, where there's no name here. And there are no references.
So
all right.
What whose cup is this by the way, because it's a really nice cup.
It's one of these you know that I have a cup now that operates with
an app. And the cup is it's got a battery down here. And it keeps
your keeps your drink warm.
At whatever my problem was this, I don't know temp to come on. Let's
go. Okay. My problem is, I don't know temperatures. Like do you
know the temperature of your tea when you drink it? Who the heck
knows right? I have no idea right? So I'm looking at the app and it
says what temperature you want your thing it like I have no clue.
What am I supposed to experiment with this thing? Use of when we
were at the state. You had a real nice drink. He was walking around
in service with some warm water with some honey in it. Excellent.
Yeah, that's a great thing to walk around. Well, I also went to pet
sitter on the corner Finnegans and 27 and I purchased ginger in a
in a glass bottle groundup ginger. I purchased cardamom pods. I
purchased cinnamon what happened was that I realized this winter I
want to get off coffee for a little bit. I love coffee, but I
don't enjoy it anymore. It's just too much in my mouth. Right? So
I'm getting off that a little bit. I got into Chai Desi.
Desi Chai nice and I watched a video of a guy with a nice
manicured kitchen and got spice Wallah written everywhere.
And he shows you how to make the Desi Chai. It's like a relaxing
process. You got to have few minutes to do it. So you it's it's
50% Milk 50% water. You will never go back to regular tea. Arab tea
dishwater in comparison. British tea is just too mild. Well, it's
just not I don't understand what they're drinking. One thing
though. In Morocco though. Moroccan tea is great anywhere
you're gonna see the exact same thing and it's extremely heavy
green tea with men. Now Desi Chai, it says half milk, half water. You
bring it to a boil. You put a teaspoon of it's got a special
specialty really tiny crust leaves a yellow bag.
You put a teaspoon of that you throw it you crack some
carbon pods, throw them in the thing, throw some cinnamon, throw
some ginger and start mixing. Right.
And everyone in the house. They're looking at me like what's going
on? What are you into
These days, like, what is this new thing that you're doing? Right?
And, and some relatives of mine laughing like, what is this new
thing that you're into Desi Chai, right? And only my daughter came
to support me.
And my wife hamdullah, she went and helped me get all the
ingredients. She said, We need to get the real thing. And she went
to and she got me the real ingredients for the Desi Chai. So
she supported me in this. And then I made sure that my daughter as
she's doing it, she puts on it too, but the powers gotta be in
the book, right? So we're not making Desi chi unless you put the
boots on. So my little daughter put the boots on, starts stirring
the tea. And given the whole vibe. All right, to counter this cold
and dank Saturday that we have. And we threw in some condensed
milk. We did it was amazing. Right? And it's got real flavor
real kick to it. Okay. Unlike the tea that you know, Arabs drink,
which is just the bag and water and a couple of spoons of sugar.
This stuff is the you don't think you go back? Like he can't go
back. You gotta check.
Kashmiri Chai, you gotta go to the woods and get stuff from nature,
right and throw it in there. Make it properly but when you get
that's a meal at that point. It's like soup. Right? It's soup, isn't
it? Yeah. Because you have to at the end, you're eating. There's
nuts in there and everything. Alright, so it's 240 Let's open it
up for comments for questions. All right.
On prevent Ryan will try to get us somebody for next Wednesday to
talk about affairs of the OMA Okay.
DMM is reminding us of Eid nanny tea with cloves, cardamom pods and
black tea. Yeah, that was good. I heard that in Michigan.
Michigan has a spot. Yep. Michigan has two spots. One spot is called.
What is it called? It's named after their city in Yemen. It's
really cool. Right? There is of course, Yemeni coffee house I
think but there's another one called I keep forgetting his name
but it's called well house is known. Yeah, but this was the
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Aw is saying you have to try Somali t
we should have a contest in the masjid was one of these social
social events? Oh, that would actually be really that will be
really good right as a social event in the masjid Somali at
Moroccan tea. Arab tea, British tea. Desi Chai
colonizer Tina the dog they're getting into a chai latte Chai
lattes and everything. Right and you have a stand for each one. And
then
people drink and they rate it five stars. Three stars. Good
introductions. Everyone's cultures I think yeah, because we got a lot
of Turkish tea. Forget that. What's that? My was the event,
bro.
Oh my goodness.
That is a mawatha event. I took ramen. Put me out.
Let me tell her listen. Let me tell her son right now.
Hey Hasson we're just being around you know, just chit chatting on
the live stream. We're
sort of talking nonsense to be honest with you. But we came up
with this idea. My what not even me I have to say one of the
viewers. autoCrat man says came up with an idea. A
Chai contest from Rwanda. Moroccan tea Somali tea. Yeah, many tea,
Chai, everyone puts up a table and it's a great way for people to
have a social event. And they're eventually going to meet each
other. Right? They taste the tea and they grade it
and then you see who finds out good good tea that maybe increase
the prospects of marriage to
Alright, let's get back to this
the treat to dreams only occur when they're interpreted. What if
we asked two people to interpret the same dream will the first one
occurred no the correct one will occur the correct interpretation
will occur
and it could occur without interpretation. But as when it
interprets interpreted it occurs who says this The messenger of
allah sallallahu says the true dream is on the wings of a bird.
Okay, if it is interpreted it happens.
So I had Omar says now they have introduced date seed tea. Well,
there's also this thing I keep seeing in my in my ads.
Mud.
Yeah, mushroom, mushroom drink instead of coffee.
What is the meaning of Kulu guna golf.
The bene Surah Edwin Sedna, Musa tried to advise them. They said,
our hearts are encapsulated.
We don't basically we're saying we're not touched by this message.
This is just the pinnacle of bad manners to say, my heart's not
touched. I'm not moved by this as if he has to put on a show for
them and move their hearts they don't have intellects to say
A, this is the Prophet, what he's saying is good for us. Let's do
it. Why am I not doing it? Because I'm lazy? Because I'm selfish
because of other reasons Well, which one is better following your
neffs are following the Prophet of God?
And you follow the Prophet of God?
Does anyone know if there is a need for physical presence of
volunteers in Turkey, or start vacation tomorrow and can possibly
fly there?
Allow them but I would think that you could just if you get there,
and you go to a rubbish site, sorry, Rubble, a site that is in
state of rubble right now
that you could just start helping them.
Is it okay to study astrology?
We don't have that.
We don't have that, huh?
It's LM, there's no proof of this, right. And the only thing that has
anything that you could say about say about astrology is not even
astrology, someone's like causation, correlation, and maybe
self fulfilling prophecy. There's no causation about it just
correlation. And say people who are born in this month they
display this type of quality. Does that did that? Cause that?
Is it true? Can it be changed? When people say to me,
this person is this, that or the other? It's funny. It's nice. It's
cute. It is sometimes undeniable, right? That it is sometimes
undeniable. But is that person fixed by that? No. I could change
my behavior. Right? I could convince myself to be different.
Right? So those those Abraj they call or the zodiac signs. There is
no prediction of the future. But there should also be no limit.
Nobody should say
I'm an Aquarius, so I have to be moody.
I'm a this. So I have to be boring. I'm this. So I have a
temper. No, that's there's no causation there. That's where you
have to know that there is a limit on that stuff. You can be the
intellect that you put your mind to.
That's it. One time I was sitting at the dinner table. And yeah, I
got into a really deep thought about this stuff. And it's like,
it's the same thing as the Twitter thing where everyone's got like 20
titles for themselves, like humans have this like, urge to identify
themselves? Because you don't really know who you are.
Yeah, and you got to like, give yourself a label. Yeah. And it's
really satisfying. Oh, um, I have this funny name. And yeah, this
symbol goes my name. And yeah, this is telling me things about
myself, like, people need that self identification. And they make
themselves like that. Like, it's not like they were like that, but
now that they've heard that, okay, this is how Aquarius, that's why
we don't know. So we don't know. Is it like that? Or did you become
that? Or it did was? Or is it both? When we'll never know,
that's what a wham is we never really truly know. And there's a
lot of exceptions. And by the way, let me tell you something else,
too. You can brainwash yourself. If we believe in self fulfilling
prophecies, why don't we use it for what's good? Right, use it for
what's good brainwash yourself to believe something good about
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if I have to take a loan, and I have to return the money back to
my account plus interest?
That's a really good question.
It's a very good question because it's your money.
Alright, let's let's take a look at the 50 aspect of this. You got
to 401k account.
The deal is you don't touch your money until a certain time and if
you do we charge you interest. Okay. So you said Well, it's my
money. I'll take it and then paying the interest back.
You're paying yourself back.
Right? I want to consult with people about this. It's your
money.
So you're basically just paying yourself back. So I got a there is
no such thing in this video as a loan to myself.
So that would put it outside the US serious
quality. We'll have to see about that before I talk.
Oh, I took it off man is our guy from Philly.
So why don't you come with us by the way to UCLA? Probably tickets
might be too expensive now.
Yeah, he comes every Sunday. Yeah.
What do I do when I feel a spiritual burnout?
Quite simply, if you feel spiritual burnout, you take a
break. You start relaxing, get balanced, hang out with people
that will unwind you and calm you down. And then
Go back into it after that. There's nothing wrong with taking
a break. This is one of those things that comes from experience.
My lip bleeds and I wipe it on my sleeve. Is it in a Jessem? Yes.
Well, if it grows to become more than this big, little dab is, but
it will if it grows to become like this.
Did him or a coin?
Is there a witness for when you need an answer for something that
only Allah can answer? Da, da?
Is it haram to get your dream interpreted by more than what? No,
it's not.
What were they saying about him in the bedroom? He has the roots.
Sharif has a Salah Salawat asking.
Asking if it's good. I don't know what schicken Beddoe is Salah is I
have to look at it.
We'll have to look at it. I mean, why would it be bad inshallah
should be good.
So far, the
dream interpretation is effectual. They may be right, they may be
wrong.
If when you ask two three people, and they all four or five people,
and they come basically with the pretty much the same thing. It
gives you more certainty. That is correct interpretation. Okay.
This website, I don't think has it.
By the way, we need to tell them to attribute it to accommodate
their deal. So let's say lots of beers from having to deal
with they put it there. Oh, they did good. From the deal.
I think I'm actually one who contributed that to them. I told
them that. I think so. So I hope to get the reward of people who do
this. Why do all these bad things seem to happen to Muslims? Well,
to be fair, it happens to everybody like earthquakes like
this, but bad things are different. And we have a different
interpretation of bad things. These are, how Allah treats how
we, the truth of it is
how we react to it. It's a bad thing if we don't react properly
to it. Okay.
All right, ladies and gentlemen. We shall stop here.
All right.
We shall stop here. And
we will be with you tomorrow with the stories of the Olia
Okay,
one last question. I was wondering to what extent did the Maliki's
today follow the Hanafi method when it comes to Zika?
I can't really tell you to be quite honest with you how much
they follow that but many people do follow the fetch well, that the
debt that we subtract from our decodable income is only this
month's
bills, whereas the magic method says all the debt that you own,
the problem with that is socially that no one would be paying Zika
because if I owe another 70 grand on my house, and my as a countable
income is 100 grand, and I owe
20k. On other things that I'm paying off in installments over 20
years or 10 years or five years, I may end up with nose Academy
money. So many of the scholars, they use the only the one month
policy so the cannibal amount minus the bill that is due this
month, the payment installment that's due this month, and they
calculate all that. Then they pay this account on that.
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