Shadee Elmasry – Companies Supporting Israeli Apartheid NBF 271
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I got a message. No, Noah, anybody please clip this out. And paste it
under the comments of Patrick but David value tainment PVD podcast,
there are three feeds that they run the PBD podcast stream, the
value tainment
Twitter account,
and Patrick But David's personal account.
Today, Patrick bet, David, who am I? Let me just start it over here.
Patrick, but David, I have a message for you. I'm actually one
of your listeners. Right. And I got some of your books coming on
the way right I really appreciate his style and and the level that
that his production his value tainment company is at right now.
And I always watch I go on my feed and you know, I don't follow many
people, but he's one of the people I follow. And I love this little
segment these 25 minute segments that are educational segments. I
think he just started them because so many people don't know much
about
the ISRAEL PALESTINE conflict but message for Patrick, but David
I'm totally buying into your concept. You got to be fair, don't
be one of the people that just jumps to a conclusion, because
this is my tribe and I'm going to support them. I'm totally with
that. And we Muslims I've been told that the Prophet peace be
upon him said support your Muslim brother, oppressor or oppressed.
Okay, that was an old Arab saying. They said how I support him when
he's an oppressor. He said to stop him from his oppression. You can't
stop someone from oppression unless you recognize they're doing
wrong. So sometimes our you know, our people do wrong. We got to
recognize it. You just recently did history of Hamas, Hezbollah
and ISIS. I recommend people watch it. He cites everything. He's not
really clearly his idea doesn't have an agenda that it's going to
be skewed. I pretty much trust that He transmitted things
properly.
Well, here's my request. I'm holding up on my iPad, US
Department of Justice. Okay. What about the history of
Israeli terrorist organizations? Right, if in the spirit of what he
just said, which is, you know, look at both sides don't jump.
So PVD Can you please do a similar 25 minute,
a video clip, with the citations and everything. This is US
Department of Justice. It's the government website
outlining terror out of Zion,
Israel, the all of this is started
because of terrorism.
Right, performed by Zionists, the Arab goon, we know the name Hamas,
Hamas would not have existed without the Arab goon. In other
words, all the resistance, all of this resistance, all of this
hatred, all of this grievance would not have existed.
Without organizations like the Hagia that you're going, how is
the Haggadah different from what Hezbollah is today? Hezbollah is a
state within a state called Lebanon, they're so weak, they
can't protect anybody. And we're the she has here. We're going to
do this things ourselves. Let's make Hezbollah they have their own
foreign policy. They have a 150,000 person army, according to
your video today. Okay. Which I repeat again, I don't feel that he
has a there's no record of him skewing facts. He cites you what
he said, Whatever he says, which is why I appreciate it.
Okay, there will be no issue here, right. Without these terrorist
organizations, they had the King David Hotel bombing. They had the
Nakba, this was all illegal.
Okay, Hamza, who's on the other screen is nodding because he, he's
a historian himself. All this was illegal. Get the Nakba, your
audience, just as they know who Hamas is, they have to know what
the Nakba is. Okay. They have to know, I myself, I'm not a
historian, but it takes two seconds to learn. PBD is not a
historian either, because he's smart enough to figure stuff out,
you know, within two weeks. He's knowledgeable, right? It's not
hard. This is all public fact. Your list. So this is my message.
PBD I love I liked this video. Right? There was it was not one
sided. He bought counter arguments. And then at the end of
the day said, like, Guys, let's just put the facts out. And let's
not be from this. People who just jump to support their tribe is not
even 50 logical or practical that my people are going to be right
100% of the time, they're going to be right wrong sometimes, right.
I'm totally with that. Now, let's shift it now to the origins of the
whole thing. Okay, the origins, the Haganah, the air goon is vile,
Yomi, Lehi. Okay. Palestinian underground 1929 1949. I'm looking
at the author JB Bell. This was done in 1977. Book 385 pages.
Where is it? It's on the US Department of Justice Office of
Justice Programs. ojp.gov. So it's not some kind of nonsense. It's
not some kind of made up lies, smearing Israel and smearing Jews.
No.
They have their share terrorists.
The country was given to them by England and then expanded by
terrorists. Okay, who did illegal things. And it was an England's
hands were sort of
you know, arm was twisted, what's the expression? Their arms were
twisted by these terrorist organizations.
That state within a state before Israel became an official state?
Well, before 1948 They had a military that's a militia. A
military that's not a recognized state. What was what we call the
militia? So if somebody he kindly clip this up, just make it 30
seconds right? and clip it make sure you say the nice things that
I said about him because it's true. And I believe that and I'm
not trying to throw a rock and pick a fight, but I would really
like him to represent both sides. Okay. It's not just Hamas,
Hezbollah, ISIS, Muslim terrorists groups fine. We want to call them
that, that you could call them that and assign them that because
they are people with a militia, but not a recognized state. So you
call that a terrorist organization? Fine. Okay.
Well, they would not have existed without the hugger. Nah, delay he
the air goon, probably the worst of them.
All right.
So
I appreciate it and I look forward to seeing it.
Now that that business is done with
we have another question
in the Cydia Okay.
We do not consider companies to be separate entities. Heavy blood
says that into my right. Let's say
he has a company. Okay. And he runs a media organization. All
right. You are anytime you could bring him on now. Yeah, bring him
on. All right.
Any Oh, can you lift my camera up a little bit?
Okay.
Habib has a media organization? I go to Habib and I say you'll have
your media organization.
They just
smeared me with a lie.
Right?
He says, Oh, well, that's the company. I'm not at that I could
do about. We don't you own the company? Yeah. We didn't approve
of everything that happens here. You have to? He said, Yeah, you
know what? I don't check every day. But what does that tell you?
It's your company. You approved of it? Yeah. But we have a system
where there's a manager and yes, okay. But there is oppression
happening here lies,
go to your manager and fix it. He's under your control.
All right.
So
we don't separate between a company entity and its owner.
Okay.
Even the publicly traded company
has an executive. It has a CEO. He's responsible. He's the nether
almost over this company. Say that? All right.
So
we also don't consider so when we treat a company, the way we treat
it,
we treat the owner.
So we nobody can say hey, listen, well, Starbucks doesn't actually
support is. Design is Cause remember, we have two separate
gene Zinus and juice designers cause you know, designers hate
when we say that. They hate when we say
separating between Zionists and Jews? Well, we should because we
have examples of Jews who are not Zionists. Secondly, the idea of a
Zionist, it's not necessarily let's even make it more specific
Jews versus apartheid supporters. That's even more specific, right?
Hey, Hamza, what is an apartheid supporter, an artist?
I don't what do we call an apartheid supporter?
A supporter of apartheid supporter of war crimes. I think another
important thing is, is the majority of scientists today are
not Jews. They're evangelical Christians.
That's
Thank you. So most, I would say they're probably more Christian
Zionist than Jews than Jewish scientists. By far, by far,
because if you take Texas alone, right, Texas alone probably has
the more Zionists in it, who support apartheid, wipe out these
Gazans bring back Jesus as if they're that's the that's the what
they believe. Okay, then Israel itself. And there's probably
Israelis
who are not apartheid supporters. Right? Because if you're a kid,
then you're just born into a country that does not necess
necessarily make you and you were forced to go in the army were
forced, right? That does not necessarily make you an apartheid
supporter that we would consider, you know, that you're an enemy to
us, is you're right, you're in a press, I would actually take a
pretty open minded and view to that. Because if you're a kid, and
you're just born into a country, and you're going about your
business, and you're clubbing and Tel Aviv and all that stuff, good,
you're not even awake, you're in another world, okay, then all of a
sudden they salary go serve two years in the military. So it's up
to us in the military.
There, it's very likely that there are some right
liberal is progressive Israelis who are against this apartheid. So
that's to make our language as
you know, refined as possible as as accurate as possible. We don't
separate between the company and its owners, if the owner
is is a Zionist, then what is supporting him being a Zionist,
his company, right? So I'm not going to be buying if I and I know
that accompany the owner is actively accepting and supporting
the apartheid in Gaza and the West Bank. Right. And this oppression
that I have to boycott his company. You can't separate
between the two.
What how was he so successful? That's the topic of today. All
right.
And does the boycott matter? Yeah, it doesn't matter. I'll tell
Do what it matters because it's a micro decision that Allah is
watching.
That's how I view it. I don't view it as Oh, this is going to hurt
his business, probably not.
I view it that if I, if I'm on Amazon, and I'm selecting coffee
beans to order to my house, I can order from Starbucks and I can
order. I mean, nobody buys Starbucks from Amazon. But just as
a hypothetical, I can order Starbucks, I'm ordering a French
press, I can order it from Starbucks, I can order it from
random company, some random company, that is a micro decision
in our lives, right?
The way to avoid big losses,
the only way to avoid catastrophes is to avoid some micro losses,
small losses, if you avoid
20 Micro losses a day.
That 20 times 365 times 300 is 6000, losses, 6000 losses, 6000
little bad things is gonna bring you a problem some way, shape and
form. Okay.
All right. Hamza, take it away. Tell us what we should think
about.
What's his name? Schultz, Charles Schultz, whatever his name is.
Howard Schultz. What should we think about Howard Schultz? And
are we boycotting Starbucks?
Yeah, so Howard Schultz is an interesting figure, because he's
a, you know, a very avid supporter of Zionism of Zionist causes all
this sort of stuff.
And in the past, Starbucks has been targeted as part of like the
BDS movement. But Starbucks actually released a statement in
the past. And they said that, you know, we don't support the
occupation in any way, our company doesn't support these things, all
that, and even the BDS movement, the boycott, divestment, sanctions
movement. They even said that Starbucks is not one of kind of
the objects of our boycott. And what the BDS movement said was, we
are a targeted boycott. So we target companies that we know can
successfully kind of be affected by these boycotts. So they chose
they normally target not super big companies, because if you want to
target like McDonald's, McDonald's is, in a sense, kind of too big to
fail. It's one of the biggest corporations in the world. But if
you target a company like SodaStream, Soda Stream was
operating, operating an illegal West Bank settlements, there was a
campaign of boycotts against them. And then so SodaStream actually
moved out of the settlements. So that was kind of like a win for
the BDS movement, in a sense. But recently, what Starbucks did is
their workers union released a statement, basically saying that
we stand with the Palestinian people, we stand in solidarity
with Palestine, all of this sort of stuff. And then following that
Starbucks, the workers union actually ended up taking down the
tweet. And Starbucks actually sued the union. And they said that you
were hurting our image, all this sort of stuff. And then Starbucks
also released their statement that, you know, we we stand with,
you know, the Israeli civilians that were killed all that ignoring
also that at this point, it was what 1400 Israelis that were
killed. And I think as of like, half an hour ago, over 7000
Palestinians have been killed in Gaza. So they issued a statement
for the Israeli civilians that have been killed, but not for the
over five times kind of Palestinian civilians that have
been killed. So there's been a large boycott of Starbucks, really
around the world around the global south all that.
And there are some interesting tweets that, Omar, if you want to
put up like, if you look at like countries like Kuwait countries
like Qatar, the Starbucks is empty there.
So it's kind of been a targeted boycott campaign, I was actually
looking up if Starbucks stock has been affected, I found one article
that says the stock has been affected. And then I saw another
kind of article that says Starbucks stock is going down. But
it didn't mention that because of this kind of boycott.
So this is kind of the issue with kind of boycotting these big
corporations is that you're not going to impact them in the way
you can impact more material organization. But I still think
it's important for kind of what you said that, as Muslims, it's
not always for us about what creates the impact. Sometimes you
just have to make kind of the ethical moral decision. So that's
something that's also very important. Like we have the Hadith
where it says in Sahih Muslim, it says, if the Day of Judgment is
happening before you and you have a sapling, in your, in your head,
you plant a sapling, you know, this app is not going to come to
fruition because the Day of Judgment is happening, but you
still kind of put in you still make the ethical decision. And
that's exactly what I want to mention.
I don't expect
when I do a boycott, the first tier of my expectation is not
damaging that company. You know, when if a nation was to boycott
the products of another nation that might be different, but as an
individual, I don't expect it. My primary motivation for a boycott
is that Allah is watching me and he judges me
on micro decisions, look at the prophets Hadith, in which he looks
at people and
sorry, he
describes people who are in jahannam. And he said they didn't
enter by big sense, right? They entered by small sins, which they
despised, despise, meaning that it's just it's so tiny.
Yet these things if you do 50 of that a day 50 A day.
How much is that in a year? How much is that in a in a decade? It
becomes an unmovable mountain, much like the climate problems
that we have today, one trip to the supermarket. Well, what is
that going to do with my car? Yeah, but times 5 billion, right a
year.
Now you have a problem, but because it was micro, it's like
having sand. Someone threw sand in the studio, on the camera in the
couches, on the TV in the keyboard, I would have much rather
them take all that sand, put it in one Boulder and throw it in the
through the window, right? Because I can identify that sand. It's so
small, right? That it just gets everywhere. It's impossible to get
it out. That's why I want people to completely change and transform
their view of action. Okay, results are always results of
micro deeds very small. What is Allah tell us in the chapter of
the Quran that is small that every child memorizes every myth, Karla
Vergara, the little Adam's wait of a deed you're gonna see it. Okay?
Why? Well, what is this other than, like a couple trillion
atoms, right? Atoms are important. What is this body right here
except for billions of billions of cells.
Right? A bunch came in formed a heart a bunch came and formed a
stomach a bunch of came in, forms a skin, et cetera. So if we don't
care about the micro actions, our personal micro actions, we're not
going to succeed. Okay? So that's why That's my motivation is that
Allah is watching this is a micro action. It's not gonna, it's in
itself effect Starbucks, I don't care, right. But do I know for a
fact that a guy built his that built this empire, which I love,
by the way, I love the business. I love the business. I love the
branding. Okay.
And I even like their, their the product to write, like the coffee
itself, but, and I use it as an office space, my justification for
ever drinking, if I ever need office space, I buy a unit, a
little small cup cup, and I consider that my rent. I feel like
I need to buy some because I'm using their space, right? I have
meetings there. I sit there for some downtime between events or
meetings or something, we just all go there. And that's my
justification for but if the owner is now
expressly stating that he's a Zionist,
and he's in his personal life, I cannot separate these two things.
I can't go there. So that's where now to the current situation.
They mentioned sympathy for Israelis, not for Palestinians.
That's one thing. Secondly, that's one issue. Secondly, they
their issue with the workers union, to me isn't a non issue.
The Workers Union use Starbucks to and made it appear as if a branch
of Starbucks is supporting the Palestinians Starbucks, I'm gonna
stop right there. To me, that's not an issue. I'll tell you what
the biggest issue is Howard Schultz in his personal life,
right? Is he personally and pull up that Arab news article and I'll
read it to you guys. He personally in his personal life, has been
involved has received awards has a very cozy relationship to IDF
related organizations. Alright, Hamza, what do you have before I
pulled this article up? It's an old article. Very old, but doesn't
matter. Yep. What do you know about Howard Schultz in his
personal life?
He donates to Zion this causes blindness in himself.
I know that Starbucks itself, they always say that they don't support
it doesn't make a difference. It the owner is the one who's the
beneficiary, right? Like if I discovered that Phil Knight, all
of a sudden, is donating money to I don't know, some racist cause
I'm not gonna buy his product. I don't care if Nike itself says no,
no, we don't do this. And he also keep in mind there's a two people
are talking out of both sides of their mouth. People on one hand,
are sick. If you support
the Zionist idea of in one sphere, and then turn around and donate
some money to the Palestinians. You're just in one epoch. Okay,
and that's why
shift Moogerah khateeb recently said if you make dua for Ella
Vasa, okay, and you stop there,
alright, your DUA is incomplete. You must make dua against the
people killing because
you have to make dua against the oppressor. May Allah stop them, at
the very least May Allah guide them and stop them. Right? If
you're a soft hearted person, and you say, Well, I, you know, I
don't want to be so rough, okay? May Allah guide them and stop them
from oppression.
At the very least you have to say that and if not, then May Allah
destroy them. Okay? Other people they get more emotional in their
dua are angry. And they say, May Allah
destroy them, punish them, etc. But I would say Okay, say start
off for your sake of your own heart. May Allah guide them to
stop the suppression. You don't choose who Allah guides. Don't
ever say no, no, they can't be guided. Don't say that right? Set.
May Allah guide them stop them from oppression? And if not, if
they refuse the guidance, then destroy them. Right? And let us
see a day in which
the people of Islam are feared.
Because we're not food right now. This was exactly what the Prophet
said the fear has been taken out of the hearts of your enemies.
Rohingya Ian's wiegers Indians in Uttar Pradesh and all over India.
Other parts of Indian Philistine Syria, no one fears Muslims,
France.
Okay.
All right, keep keep talking. Hamza Tell me.
Yeah. So then with McDonald's, what happened is that McDonald's
Israel was giving out free food to Israeli soldiers. And they ended
up opening five new restaurants. And this drew the ire of people,
obviously. And in the Middle East, there's actually a big campaign to
boycott McDonald's. And McDonald's branches, franchises in Egypt and
Pakistan, in Oman, and Kuwait, in Qatar, in Jordan, all these
places, they released statements, basically saying that they have
they have the same parent company as McDonald's, Israel, but they
don't condone this behavior. And McDonald's branches in the Middle
East has actually donated money to the Palestinian cause.
But again, this comes back to the fact that BDS if we're going to be
kind of intelligent in the way that we boycott,
we should what's called be targeting companies that are kind
of more attainable in a sense. So we look at the list of like kind
of BDS companies like we shouldn't be buying stuff from Sodastream.
We shouldn't be buying Sabra hummus.
We shouldn't be buying HP things like HP laptops, HP, phones, and
stuff like that. These are things that are actually kind of targets
of the BDS movement.
If someone wants to boycott McDonald's, I think it is useful.
I mean, who's what Muslims eating McDonald's except for the
followers of what's his name? What's that Sheikh Saudi? Who is
eating what Muslims eat McDonald's up the followers of osmolality?
Hakeem, awesome, and Hakeem, don't give that federal about
McDonald's. You don't live in America. You don't know anything
about this life. It's not a Christian nation. Where Where are
you getting this? Do that have to come populations atheist?
You know why he has to give that fatwa though, right? Yeah.
It's very interesting. He's like, even if you're in Buckhannon, or
Egypt, he's like, 30% of the country. They're maastrichtian
they're great worshipers. So he's like, we just take Oh, here we go.
Theory mindset. So here we go.
Here we go. Unbelievable. So those so the Muslims, if he's a Braille
V, we can't eat his meat is a mistake, because he doesn't tell
us when he recites the border. But if he's a Christian Zionist in
Texas, and owns a McDonald's, or a restaurant, yeah, you know, he's
meat all you want. Yeah. The issue of Tom would you say?
Or even if he's an atheist, agnostic on how America became,
wait, so is it the slaughter or is it the nation he's living under
where he was thinking is this Secondly, the food the slaughtered
meats have added Kitab are permitted. If they are followers
of that, if they're if their adherence, not adherence, just,
they consider them part of one of these two religions. They don't
have to be religious. And to it's cut with the throat. Right, it's
cut at the throat. That's, that's when it becomes necessary. You
cannot stun an animal. It's Mater. If a Muslim stuns an animal. Is it
halal or haram? Haram? right for us to eat? How can we then say
that we can eat the food of Jews and Christians even if they stun
it?
Right just because Allah says what
What they they say it's a statement from Mr. Mohammed bin
Humbert No, I don't know if it is or not, but even as well that's
does not become a Hoja we are allowed to eat the food. The meats
are slaughtered meats have added people of the book if they cut the
jugular vein, okay.
And then the hunter fees we required at this meal even for
Kitabi I don't know if it's the same for the medic now we don't
need we don't have the the chef a school doesn't need required to
Samia. It's a sunnah the Maliki school requires it but he forgets
or he cannot do it. It's okay. Right? There could be a reason for
him not not being he remembers, but he can't do it. Okay. And
that's why the chef A's and the medic is they do allow the machine
slaughtering of chicken as long as it's operated by a Muslim, they
consider that like a big knife. Right? One big knife. And so the
problem with machine slaughtered food, and we've done this many
times, but I like to repeat things for people to benefit. The problem
with the machine slaughtered is that sometimes is that there must
be a Muslim. Like there must be an operator ensuring that the animal
is alive, the neck is cut, then it does. Because they they oftentimes
shock these animals with a little electricity to get the chicken to
be knocked out. If the shock electricity kills the chicken.
It's mater if one
mistake happens. So the issue with the machine slaughter is the
actual accuracy of the process. It's not the theory, the theory is
not an issue for the medicals and the chef A's and the homies, okay.
It may be an issue, the Hanafis may require the connection to the
animal and the knife. Set that aside. Okay? Because the the all
the muscles are not going to be bound by one method. So let's look
at the broadest of it.
The issue is that is it actually happening? So does electricity
kill the animal?
In which case that's Mehta. Mehta is an act we cannot eat, it means
it died other than through ritual slaughter.
Does the bleh it could the animal possibly move and the blade
doesn't
cut the neck, maybe cuts the chest, maybe cuts the beak, and
the animal just dies of bleeding later on.
That animal has to be removed. That's mater if one mistake
happens out of a million.
Okay, if there are a million slaughtered chickens in a pile,
and someone says there's one that's not halal.
Okay. But we can't identify which where it is. Right?
We can't go through them. And if you did they all look the same,
then the whole pile is Haram has to be discarded. Because you have
to know for sure what you're eating is how that huh.
Wouldn't it be because of the exception like Michigan or no?
Now if I hadn't lived, forget the million because that's a
ridiculous number. If I have a vat of 1000 chickens, and somebody
says 2% of them didn't get slaughtered properly. Right. We're
not allowed to eat the whole the whole that the whole thing has to
be delivered. Yeah. So the issue people have with the slot machines
slaughter, which is correct and applicable to the medical staff
isn't somebody's and not everyone else.
Is that it doesn't get
that doesn't get done properly. Okay. So but in theory, in theory,
the machine sorter is not the issue, but so awesome in Hakim's
fatwah that because the umbrella nation is Christian. So what
happened? Like where in what Fick is the umbrella of the nation?
What matters? No, it's the slaughter who matters, right? It's
the slaughter that matters. I can have I can go to India, or and I
go to Pakistan, which is a Muslim nation, and a Hindu there,
hypothetically a Hindu moves there. Or an American owns a farm?
They're an atheist. Right? Are we now going to accept that meet and
he owns a company?
Right, or Tyson has built a factory in Pakistan? Well, we just
accepting it. No, it's the slaughter the person who does it,
or the factory? Who does it? That's the issue. Okay. If a non
Islamic company, a non Muslim company, goes and brings on a
Muslim and says, Hey, listen, there's a lot of Muslim customers,
you are now responsible to make sure that the meat is Hello. All
right. So he goes around and he observes all these factories, and
he sees that Muslims are slaughtering the meat, or
Christians are slaughtering or Jews are slaughtering the meat
correctly. Okay. And he says to the company, it's all held up.
And then it's packaged so that it's not mixed up with any other
chicken meat. And trans is transmitted to us directly from
what he saw to us without any other hands in between.
Okay, weeks
Up to, even if it's an animal, some company, remember, between
slaughter and and you picking up at up at the register. There's a
transmission process there. So we also consider that in the city so
that the meat doesn't get mixed up. Anyway, all of these are just
little things that
is one of those subjects like why are we even worried about
McDonald's? But anyways, there's some McDonald's in the Arab world,
or they had, I guess so. Alright. They are, or at least they
allegedly are they claimed to be headed. And most of the managers
middlemen are ensuring this. So what is the deal with McDonald's,
they're supporting both sides.
In a sense here, the McDonald's in the Arab world have it kind of
reactively kind of donated to the Palestinian cause, and issued
statements distancing themselves from the parent organization and
all of that. And McDonald's in Israel continues to give free food
to Israeli soldiers, while basically in food packages, while
Palestinians are deprived of food to private water deprived of
electricity and living under siege and blockade.
So yeah, so that's basically what's happening with that,
McDonald's, are they franchises?
So this is where originally I understand they are franchises.
But McDonald's, Israel seems to be under the same parent company as
the other kind of McDonald's. So McDonald's kind of international
is the parent company of all of these things. And McDonald's
international seems to be kind of kind of not taking, like a release
stance. Maybe they issued one of these nonsense statements where
it's like, you know, we condemn the killing of Israelis without
condemning the killing of Palestinians. But McDonald's, like
in America, the kind of parent company has kind of given the
franchisees the kind of free rein on this stuff. So McDonald's,
Israel has supported the oppressor and McDonald's in the Arab world,
in the broader Muslim world has kind of in response to criticism,
taking the opposite stance. So so the parent company is doing what I
would have done as if I ran a company, I would say, Listen, make
just flip the patties right? Do not get engaged yourself in in an
issue. If you want to forbid wrong you forbid wrong on your own time.
If I'm a Muslim, and I run a company, a restaurant flip the
burgers flip the burgers for the customers right?
If you want to forbid the wrong don't do it on my restaurant.
Okay, might want to sell to everybody right? I will forbid the
wrong myself openly at my own time.
If I'm a company that's what I do, why because now okay, now I take a
position on this one all right, next issue I have to take a
position next issue what am I gonna hire a political consultant?
No. When I'm just a restaurant, if I ran a business, the business is
one thing. As long as the business is not supporting haram, the
business is not going to be my means my my Avenue my arm of
commanding writing for Binney wrong. If I want to commend right
and forbid wrong, I open another. I'll take some of my money out of
that business and use it to fund another organization that people
know exactly what they're getting. Okay. You come to this phenos it
live stream you know exactly what you're getting. We teach in the
dean and we're looking at matters of current events through the
prison of the dean. Okay. Edison, full stop. We're not even
discussing for you what has happened but that's the policy of
the organization that's that's how I said MBSE they say something
like, Oh, what is this whistle we teach the machete Aki the in this
mosque. Right. And we have MOA to oh, this is not right. Okay. We're
not discussing right and wrong right here. That's the policy of
the mustard. That's it. Okay, so that is Am I wrong in saying this?
If I got a restaurant, a shoe company, just sell the shoes.
Don't get yourself involved in anything. Okay. So it looks like
McDonald's International is taking that policy. So if McDonald's in
Israel are supporting
Israelis and the IDF it's not McDonald's, the parent company
that's doing it it's just that owner who's doing it right.
So really are is there even a case
and I feel like this is also one issue like Muslims have where it's
like sometimes we kind of get lost in the sauce right? So like
there's a lot of energy there's a lot of anger there's a lot of
we're very upset over what's happening in Palestine. So it's
like okay, we want to target these corporations. But the and then
let's say you know, the violence dies down you know, Palestinians
just go back to kind of living under siege quietly, instead of
zero hours of electricity the day that they're getting now, you
know, they get the four hours of electricity they were getting a
month ago. All of that things go back to you know what is allegedly
normal. And then we just go back to like think
whereas if we actually target the companies that the BDS movement
has been targeting for, like over a decade,
that is a much more kind of strategic and intelligent means of
boycotting, like, I think we should always boycott McDonald's,
but not because what they're doing in Israel. I mean, if you're
getting a fish fillet or something, I don't think it's like
a big deal.
And maybe, like, I wouldn't recommend this right now, but
there are kind of like more important companies to target. And
that's where I think we should kind of direct people to Okay,
Wix. Talk to me about Wix. What's the status with Wix? Wix is the
back end of most people's websites, by the way.
I don't know what Wix is. Okay, so have you wanted to research Wix?
What was their statement on Palestine?
Let's now turn to if I if I want to go back real quick to about
about Howard Schultz. Someone says he owns only like once one to 2%
of the company. Does that matter? It doesn't matter matter to me,
because that's where his fortune is made out of. But.
And Andy probably messing it. Yeah. Yeah. And the other thing
is, is like you can't google like the political opinions of like,
the CEO of like every company, and that's not practical. Yeah. Yeah.
How much share do they hold? Okay, if this guy owns 5% of shares, and
he's like a Zionist, this guy owns 20% of shares and
what yeah, what is how much is too much? How much is the word that
it's an absurd it's a it's a unreasonable level of hardship.
And when you become sort of living in a way that's not practical
anymore, that's not part of the spirit of Sharia. But once
something becomes known whatsoever out there, okay. Known and
whatsoever, then what's what's it mean? So widely spread, everybody,
you know, knows that it can't be denied. That's when we have a more
an obligation to the sight of Allah subhanaw taala. Alright, so
but I just want to read this off. In 1998, Howard Schultz was
honored by Jerusalem, the Jerusalem fund of ice Hutzler, up
Israel's 50th anniversary, friend of Zion tribute award for his
service to design a state promoting the alliance between
Israel and America.
The Irish Hazara funds, the Israeli arms fairs. All right. And
this was this award was removed from the Starbucks homepage. He is
aware that this is not a good look for him. All right, while though
he believes in the original page listing Howard Schultz Israel
award, as an award for Starbucks can still be seen
on their site. The new page, however, does not mention the
Israel connection. Another search revealed that Robert Fisk
wrote about Schultz in 2002.
He said that Schultz has been trying to damp down its pro
Israeli image telling protests as we have written to the company
that its chief executive Howard Schultz, does not believe that
terrorism is represented the Palestinian people. Thanks a lot.
What kind of what kind of how is that positive? Right?
Well, does he does he condemn, and does he still support financially
or otherwise? What's happened in the apartheid in the IDF? Right,
that's the question. And the government because it's an
official government policy. It Fast forward to the summer to this
summer in 2000. This was old argue article, friends of Alexa and
peace in Palestine wrote on the problems between Oxfam and
Starbucks friends notes that Oxfam ended a year long contract with
Starbucks. To me, this is actually important. Starbucks is believing
a big part of my, a lot of people's lives. There's one
there's a very cozy one. And I know everyone who works there,
right? I literally know that people work there, right at the
corner from my house to mbyc. Right? Just at the corner. It's
there if I need to get some quiet time if I need to, you know, meet
somebody, not in my house, not in the masjid. So don't get
interrupted. That's like my office. Right. So in a lot of
people feel the same way because the a lot of people go to these
coffee shops to have meetings and everything. Okay. Oxfam denied
that Muslim work groups were behind its decision.
And to terminate its collaboration with Starbucks, friends, also
another organization also notes that Starbucks failed in Israel,
Starbucks invest in Israel, that doesn't matter to us, yet, that it
failed in Israel is irrelevant to us. All right.
Attending a recent conference room dinner, people were offended that
Starbucks was served, that's irrelevant to us. Schultz has been
praised by the Israeli government for sponsoring pro Israel anti
Palestinian seminars on college campuses, losing the media battle,
for example. All right.
his company has sponsored a fundraising event for Israel,
emergency solidarity funds, an organization which engages in
crass anti Palestinian propaganda, to raise money to support the
families of Israeli soldiers.
The CEO of Starbucks is so supportive of Israel, and the
system of apartheid that it has foisted on the Palestinian people
that we strongly urge you to reconsider your arrangements to
serve Starbucks products.
Based upon this, that's how I'm going to make the decision, right?
Which is basically
not that it's going to change the world, but it's going to it's a
decision, right?
Not to go with them anymore. Now, we all have an obligation to make
sure that corporations that we do business with you know, promote
what's right, and don't promote what's wrong. That's that's a
summary of it. So based upon
upon this, and here's the beauty of it. This router character is
not has nothing to do with the he's not an Arab. He's not a
Muslim.
He's not an Arab and Muslim. Right. So.
So to me, that's, that adds even more to it. It adds more to it.
He's not he doesn't have the same kind of
allegiance that we do. Okay. All right. Hamza, what are the so
soda? Would you say?
Soda Cola, cream? Sodastream. What is that? Is that a computer
company? Or is it a drink?
No, no, it's like a drink. It's like you you come to your house,
it makes soda in different flavors. It's like a homemade soda
machine. Alright, so give us the list of little companies that we
weren't buying from anyway, because we don't even know they
exist so that we can not buy from them in the future.
Or like Sabra hummus, for example. A lot of people will buy Sabra
hummus and they won't know. How about dates? Isn't there? A
company that makes dates? There is a date company?
Yeah.
What's it called American Muslims for Palestine has a very good
campaign. They do every Ramadan, where they basically go to these
Halal stores and tell them to boycott like Israeli dates, which
is very important. Stuff like this. And this is stuff that
actually makes an impact. Like if, if all the Muslims in the West
don't buy from a particular date company in Ramadan, that could put
that date company out of business, or it'll have the force, it'll
force them to reconsider their operations. And its kind of little
victories like that, in 2015, they did a study. And they found that
as a result of BDS, or an investment in Israel was down 47%.
And economics is something that's very important. One of the ways
that apartheid in South Africa was brought to an end was through a
campaign of boycott, divestment, and sanctions. So that is very,
very important. It's extremely important.
It's extremely important. And, again, it is a strategy. But it is
an individual obligation. First, it's a font of dying, to ensure
that if
it becomes widely known, you're not required to do an
investigation for every company that you buy every product that
you buy. But if it becomes to your knowledge, with sound transmission
and sound facts, accurate facts and sound transmission allowed to
adopt, right?
That
this company's revenues, its owners, its people, it's
representative, its face is now going to support anything that is
forbidden. Okay? We are forbidden individually from buying it
relevant, or effective or ineffective. And I'm telling you,
that's the most important feature of any BDS
ethic. And the VDS practice, the most important feature is the
belief. Allah is watching me obligated, whether I like it or
not, to do or not to do to avoid something or not to avoid
something, okay? Because Allah is watching and this micro
transaction that I'm doing with my money, I'm going to see it on the
day of judgment. And Allah is going to ask me about it. Allah is
not going to ask me, why don't you research for 33 hours on the
internet before you bought this straw right. Now, it's not asking
me that, but he will say, Oh,
did you not be in attendance? When somebody presented the facts?
Okay, accurately,
that this company
sends supports Israel or its founders support. oppression. Oh,
yes, my lord. I was there then why did you keep buying because I
didn't think it would have an impact. Now it didn't have an
impact on Israel, but it has an impact on your Gehenna go.
That's the
impact is going to have. So look at the, the brilliance of Allah
knows better about his creation than us, Allah knows better the
brilliance of the motivation is not to forget the company, you
might not affect them you are going to be affected, you can be
put in jednym for this, you will suffer from this right? You will
be punished for this. That is the brilliance of it. And that should
move that should move us to be steady with it. So the two
conditions, in my opinion of a BDS
is that it's the motivation that I just mentioned. And to that it has
to be, you know, factual, accurate. And whatsoever. There's
two, right? And maybe one person did the research, right, maybe one
and that's why these researchers are good. One person did the
research, but then it becomes more two out there. So it's most of the
feed. Right? One person went in, dug deep and discovered, oh my
gosh, this guy has many layers of PR. But behind it all. I have
facts, not allegations. Facts. Okay, objective facts, that this
guy supports something bad.
Okay, something shady.
And he's a shady person.
It also has bases in the tradition. It's something
interesting that it's mentioned about the Minogue that he grew up
in Noah, and then he went mascus. And there's something about how
the farms were conquered in Damascus were after a while it
became legitimate Sharon, but he still did not ethically feel right
about eating food grown on stolen land. So it said father would
bring dried fruits from Noah because he didn't want to eat any
food that was grown in Damascus. SubhanAllah. So this is the second
time that I've heard this that were Muslim scholars recognize
that their alma Okay, their Khalifa, their assault on
conquered lands, it legitimately and used illegitimately they won't
eat from it.
Now, how is that you're, you're up next, you're going to talk now
about we're going to shift now from companies to Hamas and South
Africa. Sort of going back to originally what we did with the
PBD podcast and for anyone listening, I want people to post
Patrick but David is a guy who
he's got a podcast is very influential. I sent him a little
message is a bit wordy. So chop it up, make it 30 seconds, get his
attention, put it on his feeds. All right, reply to his, uh, his
Twitter account with it, so that he could see it. And if you miss
it, you came late, you can go to the beginning of the livestream
and see it.
How is hemas different from the ANC? How are they the same? Can
you define Hamas and the ANC?
Talk to us about both? And then compare and contrast? And Omar,
could you put them on full screen? Because I'm gonna get up for a
second?
Yeah, but my full screen because I need to get up for a second.
Like, like Hamas, the ANC is not was not the only organization
involved in kind of liberation struggle. And this is kind of one
of the Israeli kind of propaganda methods that they'll say the
Palestinian resistance is Hamas. Whereas like, even if we look at
what's happening in Gaza right now, there are other groups
fighting, there's Islamic Jihad, which is another kind of like
Islamist group, there is the PFLP, the Popular Front for the
Liberation of Palestine. They're currently also engaging in kind of
armed conflict with against occupation of that there are
Marxist group. They're a communist group that was which,
which one Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine? What's
the Arabic?
They're called? shabby? Okay. There's not the big one. Yeah. So
one of the big ones
here, but the founder was George Bush was a Palestinian Christian
vice actually did an article article a couple of years back,
and they taught it called the Marxist of Gaza. So there's a
third biggest group in Gaza right now. Then there's the Democratic
Front for the Liberation of Palestine, which is another
Marxist group. And then there's another group called Lion's Den,
which is kind of relatively recent, which is actually mostly
in the West Bank.
And if you look at apartheid, South Africa, the African National
Congress was one of many groups that was involved. There was also
the pan Africanist Congress, which was a little bit more kind of pan
Africanist oriented and all of that. And there are other groups
involved.
The Palestinian and the South African struggles, they in the
PLO, and the ANC actually trained together in Algeria, to kind of
prepare like armed resistance and all of that.
In both cases, they're anti colonial struggles. They're
fighting systems of apartheid fighting systems of occupation.
And under international law, they have the right to resist
militarily, what they do not have the right to do under
international law is to target civilians. And unfortunately, in
the case of the African National Congress, and in the case of the
kind of Palestinian kind of
resistant groups. Unfortunately, they have done that.
And you also see this with other groups like the IRA in Ireland. So
it's a very common thing that occupied groups sometimes do not
resist, and unfortunately, in unfortunately, they do not resist
in kind of like the most perfect of ways.
So in that case, they're kind of similar. And I mentioned this on
last last podcast, but one thing that Desmond Tutu talked about, is
he said that when the transition happened from apartheid to
democracy in South Africa, he said that the apartheid government
engaged in many crimes against humanity, he said, The liberation
movements, also engaged in crimes against humanity, the African
National Congress to pan Africanist Congress of that. And
he said, but the apartheid system was the kind of primary infection
and the secondary infections were with the kind of liberation groups
committed. So as we see in Palestine, today, we see many we
would say that kind of human rights violations by, you know,
groups like Hamas, Islamic Jihad, the PFLP, the de FLP, their
secondary infections, and the primary infection is that of
occupation is out of apartheid is that of kind of the kind of
Israeli kind of military occupation, and it's our
apparatus.
Other ways in which they're the same is there, they're both
fighting civil systems of settler colonialism.
Europeans came to South Africa and took the land from the Indian,
indigenous people, and the indigenous people fought back.
Similarly, in the case of Palestine, that's what is
happening.
Ways in which they're different. I don't think the South African
government had the kind of propaganda apparatus that the
Israeli government has. So there was definitely American support
for the apartheid regime. And they use very similar arguments they
use in South Africa. So oftentimes, if you criticize
Israel, they will say that, you know, why are you criticizing
Israel? Why are you not criticizing this Arab government
or that Arab government or something like that? In South
Africa, you'll see similar critiques where people would say
that, you know, why are you critiquing South Africa, and not
other kinds of African countries that are engaging in human rights
abuses?
You will also see the argument that, oh, why are you singling out
this country, there's an article in the Christian Science Monitor
from, like the 80s, that says South Africa shouldn't be singled
out for criticism.
But in South Africa, there was kind of like the Solidarity
Movement. And the United States was eventually kind of forced, due
to kind of like, you know, young people, to African Americans to
kind of minority groups from like, they're pressuring their activism
to kind of pull support for the apartheid regime. But they did not
have the kind of lobby that the Israel lobby has. These are a
lobby, they're kind of unparalleled, in a sense.
Maybe the NRA has like a similar amount of power that the Israel
lobby does. But even the NRA, they seem to really only have solid
control over one party, whereas the Israel lobby has control over
really both political parties, aside from like a select few in
the Democratic Party.
So the fact that the Israeli government has this kind of huge
lobby is something that is, is something that's very dangerous,
that the South African government just didn't have. So in the case
of America,
merely people putting pressure on the kind of government is not
enough. There's also going to be what we need, which is like a
weakening of the Israel lobby, which has been happening kind of
over the past few years.
But yeah, those are the ways in which the kind of two
in which the Palestinian kind of resistance and South African
resistance are similar, and in which these in which they're
different.
One thing that I think is very important,
Omar, if you want to pull up the polling from the UK, that shows
the amount of British people who have supported British Muslims who
supported labour and the conservative party before the
election, and who support it now. Are you able to put that on the
screen? Yeah, I'll put it right now.
Yeah,
because if you look at it in the 2019 election, 71% of British
Muslims supported the Labour Party, and 9% supported the
conservatives. 12% didn't vote and 8% supported other parties. But
then they did a poll just a couple of days ago. How would British
Muslims vote today after the Labour Party and the Conservative
Party have both kind of betrayed Palestinians? 40% said we're not
going
During it all 21% said will vote for someone independent 17% said
we'll vote for the Green Party, which is the largest kind of
political party that supports BDS in the UK, the largest political
party that's kind of condemned what's happening to Palestinians.
And labor has went from 71% of Muslims in the UK single support
supporting them in the past election to 5%. The Conservatives
went from 9% to less than 1%. And this is something that I think we
can really get politicians on in the US where Democrats need most
Democrats need to win Michigan, they need to win Minnesota, they
need to win Pennsylvania, they need to win Georgia, and they
cannot win those states without Missouri votes, the Somali
community in Minnesota there if they don't vote, or even half of
them don't vote for the Democratic presidential candidate. They're
done for Michigan. If they don't win, Dearborn, the Democrats are
not going to win their Pennsylvania, you know, the I
don't I don't know if the you know,
not, not so much Minnesota, Michigan, I can see that 100%
Yeah. And if you look at someone, even like Bernie Sanders, Bernie
Sanders went very hard on the Palestinian cause. And now he's
abandoned it. And in 2014, he also was not very good on Palestine.
And one thing that people are suggesting is he just did this
because he wanted to win Michigan. And he knew he couldn't win
Michigan without showing the kind of Palestinian and like Lebanese
community there that I am someone who's good on Palestine, I am
someone that you guys should support instead of kind of the
normative candidate. It's actually something I was thinking about,
you know, how we did the Navigating differences letter,
where it's like 100 Imams signed on, what would what, I don't know
how the Democratic Party would react. If 100 Imams wrote a
letter, basically saying to Joe Biden, we're going to tell our
congregations withdraw, like don't abstain from voting for the
Democratic candidate. If the Biden doesn't support a ceasefire, and
in 2024, if we can get 100 Imams do that Biden's done for if he
doesn't have that Muslim vote, he's not going to win. Wow, you
really think that? Yeah, I mean, Michigan, Minneapolis, what else?
Those are the two things really that, That? That? I think the
Muslims, though, they're going to
know already, as is. The bulk of Muslims will not support Democrats
for two reasons, not just this. Right. More importantly, more
morals and social issues. Right. Yeah. domestic social issues is
what killed them more than this, because someone could make the
argument that both sides are supporting Israel either way. So
why don't I look at the next secondary issue as my judgment.
Right. And they may look at say Democrats are more inclusive,
right. But they're the inclusivity of Democrats has has gotten so
insane, that they've included things that Muslims want to vomit
out. So they don't no longer.
I think most common regular everyday Muslims out there in
these states, Michigan, Minnesota, they're already done with the
Democratic Party just because of drag queens, and all of what they
support in schools and all that stuff. So but this is the we'll
probably add to it. Right? Yeah.
And I think even this issue is an issue that even has more kind of
like consensus than even like, issues, like the Navigating
differences letter, you had kind of like more liberal Muslims kind
of upset over this. I don't, you're not, it's gonna be very
hard to find a Muslim was going to be upset over like Palestine. It's
an issue where we even have more consensus. There's way more
consensus over Palestine. But what about the argument that, you know,
the Republicans are probably more hawkish for Israel to be worse?
But I think Steven Smith said, this one's at a talk that he gave,
he said that African Americans should not vote Democrat for one
election to show that our votes aren't like these like reflexive
votes that are just instinctive they used to. That's what's
important. You're right. That's a great point. So like, I would, I
would say to Wilson's, I never vote Democrat or Republican. But
what I would say to most of you vote Democrat, is you can afford
to lose an election. What you cannot afford to lose is your
bargaining power. And if you pull out like this, if you say that,
you know, we're not going to campaign, we're not going to
donate. We're not going to do these things. Maybe Democrats in
2028 will say we need Muslims to win, and maybe we should start
actually caring about them. Yeah. And a lot of companies there. It's
in terms of politics in terms of boycotting or losing customers,
companies are constantly pivoting. Likewise, politicians will also
constantly pivot. Right and I think that this coming election,
we already have it right in front of us. Just take a look at
Michigan and Minnesota and Minneapolis. Right
What am I saying? Which one's the state? Which one's the city?
Minnesota? Minnesota is a state. It knows the City
of Minneapolis.
Oh, Minnesota. Why am I keep saying Minnesota? I see St.
Minneapolis, Minnesota. Alright, so wait a sec, why are they called
the Minnesota Northstar? They named it after the state. Anyway.
Yeah, they named the team after the state. They usually named
Alright, whatever, forget that.
That's how we're not all good with geography
of the middle, you know, these poor countries, these poor states,
they get just called over flyover country in America for the Bozo
don't know, most Americans do not know the names of the middle
states, they just call them flyover nation, which is basically
you only fly over them. And so I mixed up my Minnesota and my
Minneapolis. So Minnesota and Michigan, right. That's what we
got that I'm already very interested to see. If Muslims pull
out, will they really impact the general election? Firstly, 100%.
Firstly, can are they moving as a big block? Number two?
Is what is their position of that? What is the general overarching
position of that block? And number three, will it put a dent in
Biden's numbers, this coming?
They cannot win Michigan, they can't win Minnesota without
Muslims. Even if you look at the percentage of Pennsylvania that
Muslim, the percentage of Georgia that's Muslim, if they just say
we're not going to vote for the presidential candidate for the
Democratic presidential candidate. What's gonna they're done. I mean,
Democrats are done. And Biden one thing Georgia by less than 1%. And
and it's already the case that Muslims are
we know that there's been they've been turned off by the Democrat by
liberals and Democratic Party since last June. But has that
carried over and solidified as the question? So I agree with you they
can't the Democrats can't win without the Muslim vote in
Minnesota, let's say Minnesota, Michigan, but have the Muslims
sort of, in large numbers made up their minds never to vote for
Democrats again.
I think in the UK, if you look at the numbers in the UK, they have
70% of all senators voted labour last election. Now only 7% of them
would say that they would vote Labour and what's their
motivation? Is it morals?
I think maybe it's because of that, but also because of recent
events in Palestine, where it's like the Labour Party has not done
anything for Palestinians in the same way the Democratic Party
has not.
You know?
Yeah. I was just saying, you know, what's up and coming is Maine for
Somalis. So I see someone in the chat saying, Are there a lot of
Muslims in Minnesota? Yeah, there are there are a lot of Somalis.
And they make up a decent, you know, percentage that has been
assumed to be for Democrats. Right. Maine is also coming up as
a place that has a lot of Somali migration there too. And so we'll
see what happens. Right, we'll see if those votes swing the other
way. And I again, I think more so than Israel.
More so than that. It's going to be because of drag queen. Because
yeah, they're not they're not going to support a drag the party
that's that's all about drag queens.
The other thing is Biden has not only he's flat out spread
misinformation, like he said that he thought, you know, pictures of
beheaded children. It turns out these pictures don't exist. The
claim is debunked. I think yesterday, he said that when the
Palestinian health ministry says this amount of people are killed.
We don't trust them because they're associated with Hamas.
Yeah. It's like the UN has filed these numbers. Yeah. When you
you're constantly like doing stuff like this. You're basically
spreading the word propaganda when the hospital was killed. The next
day, he flies to Israel. He says, oh, you know, this is it was the
other team that did it wasn't you guys.
Investigation finds out the Israelis did it? From, you know,
mainstream corporate media outlets. This from like, I think
it was the New York Times or one of these kind of outlets. So Biden
just straight up spreading misinformation. So it's like, very
hard to vote for someone like that. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think
he's winning either way, even if he did have the Muslim vote. I
think that the amount of wars that have taken place under his
administration, whether it's you can't directly link it back to
anything that he did. But you are judged by, you know, the these
things. If there's an economic downturn or a war that breaks out
the President is going to be judged by whether it's fair or
not. And I don't think that a lot of these countries out there would
have done the same thing if Trump was president, because they know
this guy's crazy, right?
Just Just don't move because
is he's so erratic, you don't know what he's gonna do. But that
Aratus ism did actually paralyze a lot of groups. ISIS pretty much
went out of business. They are now down to like, what? 15,000
Soldiers less than maybe less than 10,000 soldiers now, recently,
what I heard, right, and what have they done lately? The guy goes in
there kills Soleimani, the Iranian general, I think most people in
the world said, Just don't do anything right now because we got
a crazy man. Okay. But then again, whether that was an act or
otherwise, fast forward now, now that Biden is and everyone feels
that they could do whatever they want. Right? Putin goes into the
Ukraine. Alright.
I'm asked us this, right. Israel's doing stuff back, everyone feels
that they could do what they want. Because, you know, it's like, the
teacher is now too old. You know, like, substitute. You have a
substitute teacher. Okay. And you feel like, oh, we can do what we
want. But if the if the substitute teacher strict, you can't do
anything. If it's some like, frail, old person, it's a party.
Right? That's what you feel like in the world right now.
Whether or not that's fair to judge him as that as being the
cause of that he will be judged by so I don't think he's winning
either way.
Let's now go to another segment of our program, and that is q&a.
So Hamza join me for this section here. We'll take some questions.
Questions unanswered. Unless you have to go to class. Once your
class No.
I have a chef of mine coming in, like 15 minutes because my house
so we're chillin. Mashallah. Good. So, here's a question from Hupo
that I want to answer. That's very important. Didn't the Sahaba say?
We don't know if the people of the book say Bismillah. So the Prophet
said, say Bismillah and eat it. Okay. So we don't know everything.
And we don't know they do in their slot? No, there's, there's
something very important to discuss here. Number one, there is
a big difference between saying Bismillah and slaughtering. Okay,
saying Bismillah is not at the level of slaughtering.
Slaughtering means cutting the jugular vein, one to the throat,
and the windpipe. There's four veins, at the very least, you got
to cut one jugular, at the very least, if not all four. And
beheading the animal is discouraged. Cut is discouraged.
Because you want the brain to be connected. So you want the
communication to be connected, not discouraged, because it looks
gross. Not what we're going to cut it up anyway. Right? That's not
the reason it's discouraged because you want the brain you
want the animal to be in one piece. So that it communicates to
the that it continues to the heart to keep pumping and get the all
the blood up. Okay, so that aside,
saying Bismillah is not agreed upon as an obligation.
In the four schools. The chef a school says it's sunnah. The
Hanafi school says it's flooded. The Maliki School is in the
middle, and says that it's an obligation if you are capable, and
remember to do it. That means if a Muslim he slaughtering all day,
he's got something on his mind. And he forgot to say Bismillah is
accepted. Right? If a Muslim cannot say Bismillah, for some
reason, like these big machines, he says one Bismillah for the
whole thing. Okay. Likewise, in hunting, for example,
you're hunting in a tree and you see a bunch of birds you say
Bismillah you don't know which bird is hitting. I'm not gonna say
this enough for that word Bismillah for that bird Bismillah
for that, but no one Bismillah and wherever. If you have a hunting
dog, one Bismillah whatever he brings back he brings back. So the
best Mullah is not on the same scale as the slaughtering. This
slaughtering is unanimously agreed upon
any animal
on land that is not
killed by that method of slaughter is Mehta made, we cannot eat it.
Good.
So the correct the sound under a narration you're talking about is
that a pagan tribe had entered Islam.
Okay, this actually proves what we're saying. Pagan tribe, it
entered Islam.
They were very new in Islam. They sent me over to the Muslims. Hey,
we're Muslim to now have a gift.
The Muslim said they don't know a lot about Islam yet. Maybe they
didn't say Bismillah when they slaughtered
the prophets I sent him said you say Bismillah needed, thereby
affirming the Shafi and medically positions that is not an in non
negotiable obligation. Because they didn't know. Okay, they were
ignorant of or we they assumed that maybe they're ignorant of it.
So that affirms that the best Mullah was not the same level of
tests at a level legal level as the Slaughtery Alright, that is
The context the context is not we didn't that they were Christian.
Number one, they weren't their pagans. The context number two
is that it regarded the best Mela, which is negotiable. And it's it's
in its legislation, not the slaughter, they knew that they
slaughtered because everyone in that world slaughtered nobody was
hitting that a cow on the head or the sheep on the head. At that
time everyone was slaughtering the way that everyone ate.
So that's the answer to that question.
Saracen has a question. How can you bring on? Yes, it'll kadhi
when he supports LGBT. And he, what does it say here that he
has heretical views on the Quran? Okay, shook so called the did
did not support the LGBT and what I know of he maybe said it is a
statement that some people made that we support
them in some cases politically, but not religiously, that in my
opinion, if that's confirmed that he said that which I think
probably hockey gets you has it on his his thing.
He did make a video and he did cite those. But that wasn't
something that I would say that's a mistake. It would be sinful for
a Muslim to support the group like that politically, but I don't
think he actually upheld that I could be wrong. But he said some
said this, some hold that view. Right? And so either way, he
didn't she Yes, because he did not say anything explicitly and repeat
it and becomes part of his preaching that would remove
somebody from Edison
in the broadest sense of the word, or remove somebody, you know, from
the broad, Big Tent
of Sunni Islam to a degree that we would say, No, we're never going
to put him on a platform again, know what he all of his opinions
or opinions were, then you can agree with them or disagree with
them. But I can't say I wouldn't have brought him on. I wouldn't be
friends with him. I know him we talk, right.
No, so I didn't I don't see. I don't agree that that's the case
with him.
As for the roof, I am talking to him, you know about it. But he has
told me he is not saying any of this in public, right in the sense
that he's not bringing about some new version of the Quran. He has
no intention to do this. Right. And I personally didn't follow I
probably, now that he's asking the question should look at it, but I
didn't follow the public.
Back and forth. regarding that issue. I did follow the LGB issue,
but not the public one in any event. So my personal opinion is
that Schiff Yeah, so Cody is far from somebody that should be, you
know, boycotted by Sunni Muslims. I actually still think that his
his public little clips and snippets are are great, right? My
kids listen to them all the time. My family listens to them all the
time. So that's my brother. Yeah, I don't. This is this is the book
of Lumo Quran that we studied. All right. Yeah. They're 21 unions for
what the roof like consider, and she also called the he hasn't
library chat. He says that I take a view that's not like the
normative opinion, but it's one of these kind of like, different
opinions. And he's like, that's all I meant. Yes, thank you, that
he That's what he told me. So listen, watch that library chat.
And he said the opinion that he uttered in an email that was
private. So to me, that email is not up for discussion, because it
was private, someone publicize it. He said, That opinion is found in
the early books. It's
short to be it's a view of Imam Shafi of these guys.
Someone hasn't started a lumen Quran they're not going to
understand it. So he like it. You know,
I remember now that in my private discussions, you know, he also
said to go to that library chat. And in that library chat, he cites
big names of scholars. And as somebody, I'm not any anyone's
referee, but when somebody tells me, hey, my opinion is I'm going
to I'm going with shots will be on this or Saffy year within the
circle whether anyone agrees or disagrees, but you are definitely
within Edison, if you're attributing your opinions back to
scholars such as those and so for that reason.
No, he's not somebody that anybody I believe should be you study with
him or not, but is he somebody that should not be platformed by a
Muslim by Muslims? No. I don't think that he should be de
platformed by Muslims for any reason, like that.
All right.
Let's see what else we got here
liberal Muslims will not go along with this because they're still
more afraid of Trump, liberal Muslims
are not, they're louder than they are impactful.
Your local Muslim leader Imam would have you probably has more
sway your shoe,
have more sway with the people, the Muslim people than a lot of
these liberal writers, these liberal crowd, that liberal crowd
is a very small crowd. They're louder than they are actually
impactful. They cannot say what any what any of you know what they
believe,
at a mosque filled with 1000 people,
their videos online, in comparison with regular normal Muslims.
They don't match at all, like their numbers are so thin. So
they're more of a nuisance when they put something out there. All
right, then they are impactful.
So I wouldn't even you know, think twice about them. Because, and I
actually think their numbers are decreasing.
They imagine that the I don't know what they imagined, but looking
around, you know, their message doesn't resonate to regular
Muslims anymore. Their message doesn't trickle down to a family.
Right? As soon as you have two, three kids, you start looking at,
like, how do I raise these kids properly? Right. And I can't raise
them in a bubble of their own weird ideas. I need to raise them
with a community. Right.
So even when they when they become like, when they come to that
realization, they then you know, even keep their ideas to
themselves, or they fix their ideas. Take it to face for a lot
of people, especially college students, it's like an inferiority
complex. Yeah. Then you mix that with like not being able to stand
for your own. Exactly, yeah. And then you have these little guys.
And on top of that people like want to go against their dad or
against their, their elders, you know, they want to be unique or
something like that. But most people who go into that level
are gonna go that direction. They pull back as soon as real life
happens. That's what they say. If you're young, you know, when
you're young, you're liberal. You get older, right, start using your
brain, you become conservative. Alright, let's look at this
question here.
Question here says
unfortunately, I scrolled I missed it.
Oh, were reactionary. This question is from sediment as we're
reactionary. Why are we so reactionary? We can't keep
swinging between Democrats and Republicans? I actually think that
one reactionary, you're correct. We're not driving the agenda. But
we're too insignificant yet to drive the agenda.
Once your numbers become big enough, okay.
Then yes, you can start to drive an agenda.
And people have to pay attention to, but when Muslims become big
enough, will they drive the agenda and become a swing vote that both
parties have to cater to? Or is it more likely that Muslims will end
up not being organized? Under not being unified, I should say, and
end up actually having a presence in both parties. And an every
party that exists? I believe, it's going to be the latter. I don't, I
don't believe there's going to ever be a single alar, a massive
Muslim polity that goes in one direction. I believe that could
have been the case. That could have been the case. If Muslims in
America were one ethnicity,
and one memory like they're in Australia, and Australia, in
Sydney, there's a there's a region there called Macumba. Or it's just
a town within Sydney. They can they have their swing vote that
every party every politician has to cater to. Now what are they?
Why are they unified? They're all not just they're all Muslim, but
they're all from the same.
roots from Lebanon. So they share family, they share a memory they
share an origin story, right? Muslims in America do not share
any of this. We only share a slum, African most African American
Muslim, this view, political view historical view is very different
from let's say, a Bosnian
All right, who, who came to America and America helped his
country. Right. And America was a force in his favor. Okay, and
brought him over here or
A, you know, an Arab is going to have a different view than
Pakistan. Okay, so
I don't believe that there will be a single one single Muslim block
permanently, maybe in this one election. Muslims are so disgusted
by the moral side of the Democrats that they're not going there for a
while they're going to disavow them. But I believe that in the
future, the more likely scenario is for Muslims to be in every
party
and have every persuasion. Right. That's in the long term. That's
what I believe.
In one more thing, lawyer hammer when he was asked this question,
he said when use of holidays, thems others sent his brothers to
Egypt. He told them all to enter through different gates. And he
said, there's that for us. And he said, what he said, there's a
wisdom in that for us in terms of how we
enter from different gates of the city. Right.
Different gates of the city, every city has got different, the whole
city has got entrances. So there was a wisdom in that.
And I believe that that's what Muslims will end up being. And I
believe that that's more powerful in the long run, right, than being
one swing vote. If you're one unified swing vote, but right,
then you're always going to be at risk, you're going to be at risk.
Okay, there is a risk to that. And the risks to that is that when
you're if you're too unified on things, then once you're broken,
you're finished, right? But if you're decentralized, and everyone
does what they think is right, and your numbers increase, you will be
everywhere. Right. And in the long term, I think that's better for
us. So
I don't think that it's good to be part of any political party, but
there are benefits to be gained. I don't think it's right. But there,
it's right is very different from there are benefits to be gained.
There are benefits to be gained for the OMA from people who do
wrong things. And the prophesy said them told us that Allah will
help his Deen by a profligate men, meaning people will do wrong
things the OMA will benefit from it. They will be sinful for it.
Okay. So Muslims will get into political parties get close to
candidates do many wrong things in the process. But also there will
be a benefit for Muslims eventually. So that's what I think
is going to happen. Okay.
There is an Israeli here says you read in the Quran, you will find
that it says a promised land given to Benny Slade, that is correct.
Yes, at that time. Okay. At that time.
It was promised about at that time, if they go and fight the
pagans that are there, that was the law at that time. It's yours.
Fight those pagans. Okay.
You're still following that law and consider the Palestinians to
be pagans. So according to your law, okay, by your Jewish law,
you're making logical sense, because that is the Jewish belief.
Right? I don't care who's there. I don't care who owns the house. I
don't care if your man woman and child Deuteronomy, we kill you
all. And we take Israel. Just go tell that to your American
politician. Right. Who's thinking that you're some nice democratic
nation in the Middle East. That's your problem. But you who have
whatever this the I don't read Hebrew, but whatever his name is
in purple there. If you read the Quran, you will find that the
promise in Israel, yes, the Quran was citing the previous law. And
that is still your law. So go do it. Right.
But announce it to the world. We're not a democratic state.
We're a genocidal state, because that law that God had gave and
given to Moses, okay. That is the God's law changes over time based
upon, okay. Aaron Cohen, his name is based upon, you know, God's
Will it changes over time. And that is not the law of how we
treat people and do things now. God
I also think that it's like a very kind of like, not intelligent
reading of the Quran, as if you know, or Obama has been reading
the Quran, like somehow it's just in there that oh, you know, God is
like a real estate agent that promises one way into like a
group, but also even like Old Testament like New Testament.
The founders of Zionism, were not religious people. They were
agnostic, secular Jews. And a big opposition to Zionism came from
Orthodox Jews who said that
one that we don't have the right to be here until the Messiah
comes, but also people who wrote about the fact that if you are
going to like conquer this land, you cannot do it in a way that
breaks kind of Jewish law you
kill innocent. Whoa, you can't do all this sort of stuff.
Abraham Joshua Hertzfeld. He writes about that when he read
about the Nakba, he said that I spent the whole night in tears.
Because I said how could who you know, you could use Judaism,
Abraham, Joshua Herschel, the Martin Luther King
No, no, no, no really no relation. Okay. Oh, not hurtful. I'm sorry,
I misspoke. But Abraham Joshua Heschel, he said that when I read
about how Israel was established, he said, I cried, how can a state
be established that calls itself Jewish like that? Yeah. I agree.
There are conditions on how you if we're going to follow the Bible,
there are conditions that you have to observe as a Jew.
Okay, aren't you not even supposed to do anything yourself? To
establish it? You're supposed to wait for the Messiah to do it?
And what if you were to do it, you have to follow certain rules.
Listen,
we have nothing against Jews.
Other than our theological debates, this is about apartheid
settlers. Okay.
That's what it's about oppressors of Gaza, Palestinians in the Gaza,
and the West Bank, and I said earlier to listen, Muslims,
Ottoman Empire Lost World War One. Britain took it as a spoil of war.
Britain now is the is the legal possessor of this land. You don't
like it don't lose wars. So I've said for many times, you don't
like it, don't lose wars. Okay? She lost the war. Now. They're the
occupiers of that they're the keepers of that land. Okay,
British Mandate mandate is just a nice word for temporary
colonialism until we figure out what we're going to do with this
thing we don't want. Okay. You you buy a house and there's like a
pool table in the basement. Oh, man, what am I gonna do with this
thing? Right? I don't want it. They didn't want it.
They then really fumbled it badly. Okay, they really fumbled it
badly. And they say, alright, this is gonna go to the Zionists.
Right. And these pockets here, we'll go to the Palestinians, you
just set it up for a disaster. And do you think they did that? You
know, just by mistake? Or did they do it because they always love to
leave a place within a civil war. They did it everywhere. Mostly
leave the place in a civil war. Okay. But in any event, they did
that. All right. That part of the land is now Israel.
Okay.
But what they did afterwards? Okay. what Israel did right
immediately upon 1948 Okay. And the homes they stole and the
people they killed and the knock but they committed the catastrophe
knocked by means catastrophe. And then what they continued to do the
people of Gaza and West Bank
okay.
That's the oppression that's the grievance. All right. Let's go to
sericin says Listen, your friend yesterday, he wrote that Muslims
have an outdated Newtonian view of Islam. While he you know, he has a
yell and Einstein view of Islam.
Listen,
let me just give you the collide. Saracen, I think he's a well
intending brother. I've seen him here if he's the same guy, but
there are co I had to when we disavow somebody, and it's when
they take a doctrinal position.
A hotkey to position a position of Azula Dean the roots of the
religion, okay. That contradicts what is cut the and no discussion
has no discussion about it. Okay, in contrast with a word here and a
word there, a statement here and a statement there. Okay, everyone's
gonna say a statement that is that you think is of bad taste or think
is wrong, but that differs from a Octi EDA position on the live
stream. He stated very clearly his Updata is essentially 40 No
Hadith, the Thalia Ellis, what else do you want from a person as
a baseline? As a baseline, okay. Just to give an example.
Okay, as an example here, outdated Newtonian view of Islam. Well,
that could be up forever. What does that even mean? Right? So we
don't go on statements like that we go for the clear doctrine. Now,
that doesn't mean you have to love like the person or study the
person, okay, or trust the person. But it does mean that that is the
these are the principles by which we consider someone, a Muslim upon
the Sunnah, that we're going to give him the basic rights of a
Muslim abundance on and otherwise, okay, that's it.
If you're saying about platforming, why would you give
them a platform? Well, I gave two people a platform
and
My Akita obviously he knows this and shake Estrada sheets is one of
the same. Okay, we're on the same track. So I didn't It's not like I
brought somebody and that was it. I'm discussing with him Shukla. So
I was discussing with him differences. I don't remember
these are differences within it's too heady matters not differences
in the principles of Islam. I don't think we have any
differences in the principles of Islam. well suited do we have
differences on secondary matters of its she had? Good, so that's
acceptable.
We were saying here that
I was talking again about this this this Jewish gentleman, that
Jews that there are Israelis to pour against this oppression. So
Ilan Papazian Israeli right? The guy has probably done more than
anyone else to expose the oppression. So we're not here
against Israelis or even Israelis by itself does not cut it to me
Zionist by itself a guy who wants himself to live in peace. That by
itself, right, no, it's someone supporting apartheid, someone
supporting oppression of the Palestinian people. That is really
the the grievance, you're honing in on the grievance right there.
Okay. And really anyone at this point who supports the State of
Israel, the state is committing these crimes. Anyone who supports
it being born in it doesn't mean Yes, sir. The support. Okay.
Otherwise, we'd all be guilty for the Iraq War, too. Right. And all
those atrocities which were not and every Muslim will be guilty of
Hiroshima, Nagasaki, every American I mean, would be guilty
for what the Americans did in Japan. That's not That's not fair.
Right? So it's not just where you're born.
It's a positions you willfully take.
Hamza final words?
This isn't actually related to this is loosely related to
Palestine. But yeah, when the asking the questions about like
shaky also called the, I was actually thinking of a story that
Sheikh Muhammad Sharif told us, Sugarman Sharif is like one of the
leading Hanafi scholars in Egypt. And he's teaching us Kaduri. And
we're discussing how, in Hanafi school, there's a certain time for
the karma, we get up, whereas the chef is they do it at the
beginning of the karma. And he told us that there is a city in
India, the city is majority Hindu, and the Muslims are a minority.
And all the Muslims in the city are from the same tribe. So he's
like, you know, there's a minority, same tribe, there was a
group of Muslims who said that, you know, we don't want to be like
on fees, we're gonna we're gonna be shirtless. He said, Okay,
that's fine. And they say that, you know, when the a coma is
called, we want you guys to get up right away. So we're 100 Thieves,
we don't get up right away, we get up, you know, when the boss says,
hey, the soda and or Halal filler. And then they said, Okay, so we're
gonna establish a Shafi machine because we don't want people do
things that like, you know, we don't want to do the hunt of the
mustard in the city is very large. The chopping mustard is, you know,
tiny, the RSS, you know, movies like kind of group, they say that,
Oh, if this is the case, you know, we can go and we can attack the
people in the Shafi Masjid because they're so small. So because of,
you know, these divisions, like the Muslims are weakened. And it's
like, think about it right on right now in Palestine, you know,
Muslims are, you know, in a, in a kind of very bad place, you know,
over 7000 people have died. And here we are cherry picking
statements from you also gonna be where if you if you look in the
tradition, it's not like he's like some like heretic, I mean, even
even myself, like, you know, I'm not happy. I'm not like, you know,
my my school lucky, though, is different from his knob that, but
we still accept him as someone who's like a part of our system.
In addition to that, someone who's done a lot of good in terms of
Dawa, and all that. And also someone who's had the class,
someone who's had the sincerity to say, the kind of, you know,
Muhammad, Abdul Wahab stuff that I was preaching for, like, you know,
a decade, I was wrong, and I shouldn't have done that.
So I think it's very important for Muslims to kind of, you know,
understand the big picture and not get like caught up in the weeds
and the way you do this, without becoming just a lovey dovey for no
reason and love everybody, or be so open minded that your brain
falls out is that you have to have tears. There is also the Dean
things no two Muslims can differ upon.
And then there's sort of a had a sunnah. It is known by necessity
to the scholars, meaning it doesn't take much effort to know
that this is part of our religion. It may not be well known to
everybody. That's the next tear up. And anyone who contradicts
that knowingly, then you're no longer on the Sunnah. That's how
we have sects, the heretical sects, they go against that, right
if you go against what is known by everybody in the religion, right
is so widespread and clear cut and cannot be misunderstood. You're
not even a Muslim. That's the next level. The third level is itchy,
heady matters. It's jihadi matters are things that in the text of the
religion really could go both ways. You could have three, four
different interpretations. It's not exactly crystal clear. Well,
we said about the best meta in slaughter, there's, there are
different opinions. The fourth level is
worldly interactions, such as, I'm gonna avoid this person, I'm gonna
make this political stance. Okay, we can consider that guided or
misguided. Okay, I could consider that wrong or right.
But it's not even of the dean, it's how you act with the dean.
It's an action. Right? wouldn't even say you would say that you
are, you know, it's a political decision that's, that's guided or
misguided or that I agree with or disagree with. So it's a worldly
matter. Because religion is not just theory, its actions to like a
shape then go supports a revolution. That's his action in
the world. I can disagree with it or, or agree with it, it has
nothing to do with his theology. Right? It has to do with how he
acts upon his beliefs. That's the fourth level what is the fifth one
random statements here and there that a person makes once in their
life? Right and doesn't build a legacy upon it doesn't build a
movement upon it. And those I think that everyone you're gonna
find someone made some statement here and there that offended
somebody that was wrong, that was in bad taste. But they didn't like
make their you know, religion based upon that they just, it's a
statement that and that's I think would be the least and people
maybe they apologize for it. Maybe they get too arrogant to apologize
for it. Maybe they politically can't apologize for it, because
it's now become like a feud. And if I apologize, I look weak. So So
I would say take that as the least. Right again to repeat them
again, things that are explicitly known
explicitly known to everybody who is a Muslim things that are
explicitly known to anyone who studies a little bit the scholars
and the students of knowledge then that's what forms of Sunnah
the third level matters that are different upon with many valid
opinions. The fourth level is how we act upon our knowledge. We may
agree disagree, right? Hey, I don't like the way they're doing
things in this Moscow no mile Moscow to the medulla. Okay.
We say that's good. No, that's divisive. Okay. It's a matter of
opinion really. in how we act upon the religion not opinion in the
religion a okay it's an opinion on how we act on the religion and
then the fifth one
is that random statements here and there
so
that's why I believe that the it's ignorant to take those last two
categories and split the OMA based upon them you can't we're not
allowed to do that. Even the third one we're not allowed to to have
division in our OMA and hatred
division hatred disavow. I never talked to him again. All that he
treating them like a Harris heretic for these three.
These three, you know, tranches of things. Okay. The comments on the
Quran are all SULI
Of course, the comments the bad, distasteful comment has conditions
it should not be a comment that contradicts the religion. Right?
It's just a distasteful comment. Like about a political group or
about you know,
something that's not of the religion
so Saracen is not he still is saying though these comments on
the Quran are solely alright, but is
at least studied lumens Quran ha.
I don't know. I don't know. But he's saying here for let's take an
example. And I'm not here to like to make a show about one person
that's not right. But just because he's saying it in the chat that
many people that chat is saying someone's that the verses of Quran
are bizarre. Oh, look, we have to have a charitable approach to
things and a reasonable one US person who spends their whole life
preaching the deen. Okay. Do you believe that he thinks Allah's
words are bizarre, or did he mean bizarre in your eyes? Right. He's
speaking to non Muslims and said some of the punishments in Islam
and he used the word bizarre Yes. Do we believe that a person who
spent that much time in the religion that invested
is going to believe that the rules are the Sharia are bizarre, or did
he we should we say no he slipped is a slip of the tongue what he
actually meant which makes more sense is
that you are non Muslims who I'm talking to liberals think they're
bizarre. In your eyes, they're bizarre. Okay, as if quoting them.
Hamza Does that make sense?
Yeah. Right. Because you have to judge the person, a person spent
their whole life preaching the Sharia.
And that makes a statement like this. It can't be that that's what
he believes it cannot be. What he must have meant is that he's sort
of quoting them, like you think it's bizarre?
And then these people who undermine the field who spent like
decades studying the deen, then who do they go to? For their dean,
they go to some guy who study like two years with like some
colleagues in Yemen and stuff. Yeah. And it's like, you're
undermining the people who actually have to go to the like
jokesters who say much crazier things. And let me tell you this,
it's very important for all of us to understand the importance of
arguing for and interpreting something in favor of a Muslim
with a good track record, with a good track record with a track
record of loyalty to the deen and Islam. So when I sit when somebody
says here, oh, so he's quoting again, and I'm just using this,
I'm just using this as an example of how to have hosting oven
hosting oven is not just a fuzzy wuzzy thing hosting oven is to
interpret something favorably for somebody else, okay, to interpret
something favorably for somebody else, because they deserve it
because their track record. Okay. So it's almost like I go to a
restaurant 100 times on the on the 131. First time,
okay.
The chicken was terrible, was dry, and old.
Okay, do I now say this owner? He's trying to serve me bad
chicken? Or do I say it's a fluke, it's a mistake. So likewise, he's
saying here, that what about his statement that
so and so's book and Harvard shattered my faith shattered in
faith, we have to now ask faith in what faith in the hole in Allah
and His Messenger faith in the Quran is from Allah or faith in
certain an interpretation of something, right? We have to have
that is the meaning of host of and it has to interpret something in
accord with the person's positive track record. Right. It's to make
a tweet in a court of persons track record. So is it is it
fathomable that he doesn't believe in a lot revealed the Quran
anymore, is the fact that all that is believed the Quran is the
preserved word of Allah. No. Maybe shattered his faith in an afro
mentioned interpretation of the out of
right. It was. Yeah, it was more specifically if you watch this
whole video that people don't watch the whole video. He's
talking about his faith and like the like Wahhabi, like my hunch.
Okay, that's another thing. Could it possibly be shattered his faith
in the interpretation of the Wahhabi update? Or the Wahhabi
also? Right, or the Wahhabi, this or that or the other? It's
possible? Okay, I can open the book.
Right? At rissalah? No, not at all. Which one is the chef at his
book that in which he argues against I'm an Ellen Medina in the
medical school, right?
And I could say, a come and we can be chit chatting and all that
destroyed me, right? What does it destroy my belief in Allah, it may
destroy, it may weaken my faith in interpretation. So this is, this
is what we mean by hosting that Thun is taking a statement like
this. And I'll tell you where we cannot do this. There's a line we
have to know that there's a line.
I mean, it would do it saying Prophet Abraham is a deadbeat dad,
I can't interpret that there's no wheel for that. Right? That's
covered on the spot.
So we have to learn the principles of wheat, if I can possibly make
that wheat, and the person has a track record. All right.
At that point, we have to make that sweet.
Alright. And we're in the contrast, if I can interpret we'd
means an interpretation. If I can't interpret something, the
words are too clear.
And you have a bad track record, right? of loving heresy, then
telling me to silly interpretation is silly. Right? At that point,
and it's not accepted. It's it's not acceptable. All right. So
Lavon Brown is saying yes, don't jump to the net most negative
conclusion when a person has a great track record. And when there
is a context that would allow for us to meet, you know, he must have
met that it's impossible that he meant
what's on its face. So
we should all learn this because it's important to avoid, you know,
division.
Since it's very important to devoid division, and it's
important to establish division, where it's necessary, right? We
are our people. We're not Fuzzy Wuzzy is we believe in
establishing division where necessary.
Right? Someone like Amina would do says those types of things. No, we
are establishing division. She will not ever hold a microphone,
you know, in a in a Sunni mosque. She shouldn't, right. You should
never be an NBA fee, which is not Yeah. And if she comes in, I'm
going to say, Listen, this is the don't go around slamming and being
nice to someone who said that about Prophet Ibrahim. It says if
they said it about your own debt, the prophets are to be treated
more with more sanctity than your own mom and dad
and the Mothers of the Believers more than your mom. So listen,
most people Saracen would say this and they ignore him. I'm not
ignoring you. I'm talking right? A brother says something. So I'm
talking to him. Okay.
He's okay, so what hijab and why Q? I don't I didn't see that to be
honest with you. I Jevon white Q.
All right. So, yes, I actually have to go because you gotta go.
We're going to All right, we're gonna head off folks. Oh, I have a
very important announcement. We have new live stream hours.
I am going to start devoting my time to Safina press.
We have many books to put out.
Okay. As much as I love sitting here and I could sit here until
seven at night chit chatting with people online. And reading from
books. Okay.
The light new new livestream hours will be
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Monday, I have to devote to
writing.
Alright.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, these are not our new live stream
hours. Okay. We will probably put up
a post for that to make sure that
okay,
to make sure that everyone knows this, but again to repeat the new
live stream hours, same time, one o'clock.
One o'clock,
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday.
And we will try to be at one o'clock, right? I always leave at
12 from my house, or make the intention to do so.
It doesn't take an hour to get here. So 10 minutes to get here.
But one o'clock Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday, Monday. Yes, it
seems like we're losing that Monday. But what we're gonna gain
out of it is books. That's what we're gonna gain out of it. We're
gonna Safina press is now something and we're putting out
our first publication very, very soon. All right, does that come
along with it and everybody Saracen may agree with me may not
agree, but I have laid down my principles, right.
And I also from my principles, is that I'm not the only one with
knowledge. I'm not the only one with a brain. In fact, many of my
colleagues have bigger brains and more knowledge. I look at them as
well. They're also seeing all the other events. So when I also see
that shift yesterday, me and Imam Zaid Shakir and many other Imams
young adults
are still interacting with someone, then they must have
reached the same conclusion I have that the point of contention is
not of also the deen
it may be a point of contention related to also the Dean but it is
not an O solely that would put a person outside of medicine, it
would be a matter of SLF or a matter of the expression was not
right.
Right and therefore that person would not be someone that we have
to ignore now and we have to isolate that person. Okay. So
again, we will discuss this more in the future but the the
parameters of how we treat people how we interact, when we cut
someone off when we don't cut someone off when we limit
ourselves with somebody when we don't limit ourselves. We talked
about a lot of things in this live stream. Don't forget to donate
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We are
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37.7 $37,700 raised through the UK authorized G RT global relief.
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there are the bank accounts are in Jordan, the businesses that does,
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smashed that 30,000 We're now at 37,700. Does that come with al
Qaeda and everyone?
Aaron Cohen make sure it goes to the people and not to Hamas. I can
guarantee you the organization has guaranteed us. Okay. And that is
not to affirm. You know, I'm not any affirming any Western
categorizations of Hamas, but I will affirm that it is going to
orphans, it is going to the injured. It is going to buy
ambulances. This organization has a number of ambulances. Okay,
they're buying more ambulances and going there. So Aaron Cohen,
listen,
he I said it very early care if someone's Jewish or not, right.
Even Israeli are not the issue. Our issue is with what's happening
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