Saad Tasleem – I Called Boonaa! Being a Public Figure, Single During Quarantine, Going Back Home

			Hey, so I want to LA while they come
		

			to live on my couch. Oh, good man. How are you? I'm still living the quarantine like, I don't know,
just me or No, I don't want to. I don't want to go outside now I'm comfortable. I'm going on
quarantine seems to be
		

			treating you well, you look good man. Like he was like an introverts like fantasy was it seemed like
that's what they wanted all along 100% you're an introvert, you're not introvert, I think I have
become an introvert. Because I've been inside for so long.
		

			So happened. So you're saying you appreciate the introvert life now? It's not that I appreciate it.
It's almost like my default. Like, I don't know how people mixed in large gatherings before, it
seems like so much better. And like more stress free to just be by yourself. Like, I don't know.
It's weird because I genuinely felt like I, I, I was always a person that thrived in large
environments around people, like, you know, that's a general kind of characteristics of extroverts,
like you're a person who likes the company of others, but I don't know, man, this world has just
become so weird and crazy, so fast that I just, I've been stuck inside for like, so many weeks now.
		

			And months, and I've just gotten used to it now. Like there are opportunities to go outside, but I'm
still like, No, I'm good. I'm gonna wait it out. Yeah, you notice how we've done a lot of events
together like Film Fest, and, you know, large events.
		

			And people have this perception that they're very, like public events, because there's a lot of
people there, right? But in actuality, unless you like make an effort to go out and like mingle and
like hang out with people or whatever. It's actually a lot of alone time like even though you might
be standing in front of like a huge crowd. You know, you're spending time with yourself a lot.
Right? You have like, you have like your conference, buddy. They'll give you like, like a driver,
like speaker, buddy speaker. But yeah, like an 18 year old guy who saw your name on the list. He's
like, yeah, I want to go with that guy. And then, you know, Baba Lee, and I used to have this funny
		

			phrase, because we spent a lot of time touring together, we used to say that organizers treat us
like fruit baskets, you know, they always bring you a fruit basket. In many ways, we are the fruit
basket, like they drop us off. And then when they're ready, they'll like when everything is
logistically convenient for them, they'll come back and pick us up or take us someplace, or, oh, by
the way, you have the spinner you need to go to or you know, just throw things at you. So you're
essentially just this object that they just move around, you know, accordingly. So do not like that,
like ideal in an ideal buno world. How would that how would the experience be like, you're invited
		

			to somewhere or, you know, speakers are invited? Like, how should that how should that go down? It's
weird. You know, when I when I first started really traveling and performing and touring, I remember
like, going to New York and like sleeping on brothers couches, and you know, it was a much I felt
much more organic, it didn't feel like it was an industry or there were guidelines and protocols
now, like, you know, volunteers and these speaker buddies, they get like a pack, they things you can
say things you can say, delete his number right away afterwards, you know, like this certain
protocol that it feels a bit forced. I think, organically it should be ideally that people you know,
		

			all gathered for the same purpose and goal, which is to please Allah subhanaw taala I'm there to do
my bit, you're there to do your bit. No one's better than anyone. It's like, you know, I feel like
when people treat you as an equal, and makes the kind of, you know, experience a lot more enjoyable
when there is this perceived hierarchy. Or when you're told that this is what you're what's expected
of you and you need to go here and then it feels more like a job and it feels like, you know,
sometimes you don't want to do it. Yeah. I don't know, man. I'm I have mixed feelings on that. I
don't obviously I completely agree with you. There shouldn't be that hierarchy. And you know, like,
		

			shit, come on monkey. He wants. He's to have this. I don't know if you remember this, like Punch
Punch in the face list or something like that. Yeah. Yeah. Very, very humbling.
		

			So he like and he's he's real, like, low maintenance, like super low maintenance. Most of them.
Yeah, I know. Definitely. Yeah. He's Yeah, he's like, super chill. And I remember one time he said
to me, he said, he said, you know, it's, it's such a travesty. Like it's, it's, it's so ridiculous.
When you see like a volunteer pickup pick, pick the shop or pick up the speaker in the airport, and
he's carrying all their bags or whatever. And since then, like I've had in my head like I never let
anybody touch my bag. You know, pick with everybody leave my bag alone. Get away from me. Cuz you
know, I'm just very mindful of that now. So that I agree with you on that. But that being said, I
		

			think the the, like the fruit basket aspect of it is
		

			logistic from a logistical point of view. I appreciate that that things run a certain way. Certain
people
		

			to certain things, the expectations are clear. And yeah, it is like a job right. But, you know, the
good thing is you get the professionalism that is involved in a job by Garrett. You're saying no,
no, I've seen it when it doesn't work out. And then you wish you had the professionalism. Like I've
been in circumstances where I've like, I've weighed at an airport for like, four hours. No one's
coming. I don't have the, the guy I'm calling is not answering, like, you know, that I don't, I
don't know where I'm staying. Like that. To me. Those are a lot of red flakes. One chef, actually
who I remember. I was traveling with him. I think we were in Kenya. He He told me that something
		

			very profound that just stuck with me. He's like, you know, if something happened to me, who would
you guys call? Like, if I got sick? Or if something happened? God forbid, you know, like, Do you
know my emergency contact? Do you know my wife's number? Do you have access to my medical records?
Like, you know, and sometimes you're dealing with some elderly people who have like, real medical
concerns. And and that part of it I definitely agree. And like, I've been very fortunate that I
haven't been in bad situations like that. But I can see how it could go from like zero to 100 really
quick like if somebody you know, gets sick or you know, even getting like denied entry to a country
		

			you know, that happens sometimes. Right? Like, yeah, in situation like, I don't have his number. I'm
just literally sometimes you just walking out of a terminal just hoping there's like a bearded guy.
		

			You look like you're here to pick me up one time I kid you not the last time we were in Detroit, in
Michigan Film Fest. I cannot I got out of the airport. And I walked to like the you know, the
terminal or like the outside the curbside pickup thing. And a Muslim brother was there picking up
someone else, incidentally. And he looked at me, I looked at him and I'm like, Alright, cool. I just
jumped in his car. I just got in the back seat. And he's like, oh, sorry, brother. I'm like, like,
say yes. Okay, you know, how are you? We had a full conversation and I'm like, okay, where are we
going? And he's like, what he's like,
		

			he's like, I just know, he knew who I was. That was the funny thing. Okay, he saw my facial he
recognized me he was just being super nice. Like, he had no idea why I was there. What was happy he
didn't even know there was a conference or anything. He's like, Oh, I just recognize you from
YouTube. And I saw you just came in my car and I was like, wow, and that could have went really bad
really quickly. I could have just been abducted and taken somewhere who knows right? But I man I
appreciated the fact that yeah, if things were you know, if there was enough to say there was
anything bad on the organizational side, I just jumped the gun just assumed that this was gonna
		

			happen and when that really wasn't the case, that reminds me of this one time in Medina. So there
was a period of time like close to the end of my studies. I was living off campus I had my own
apartment is like a studio apartment like not a big deal.
		

			But one evening I got out of the shower and like the floor was was wet you know that you know like I
don't know we didn't have like my my apartment didn't have I didn't have a bathtub or anything like
that. It's just the floor and the shower on the floor and you got to like all connect us yeah
squeezy that Johnny squeezy the water in, so sometimes it gets wet and had a lot I got out, and I
slipped. And I hit my head on the floor. And I passed out like a concussion like legit so so I don't
I don't really know, like, till this day, I don't I you know, I never got a check to actually but
all I know is like, I remember slipping. And then I remember like getting up and being like, Whoa,
		

			what just happened? Wow. And then some panelized thought about like, What if something had happened
to me? Or like, I was like, What if I, you know, what if I died? Like, how long would it have taken
for people to realize, you know, like, I'm sure my friends would have eventually been like, yo,
Where's he at? Ya know, I haven't seen him so long. Like Ohio hasn't been to his classes, but like,
how long would that be? And then my parents and like my family and it's just like, this crazy
thought, Man, when you're in like a foreign country, like, you know, you're you don't have the
benefit of the system on your side. Like you're theoretically a foreigner. Yeah, yeah, that's scary.
		

			You know, and I think the bright side of this, like, for me, at least my situation, you know, being
at home, like with my wife and kids, I'm very grateful for that. I can only imagine what it would be
like to be by myself. Yeah, for like, you know, four month period five month period, you know,
people who don't have someone to check on them people who don't have that, you know, it's hard
enough not having the interaction of like the community like you the massage and we're close for so
long. Now, being in a situation where you you're cut off from everyone like that, you know, that to
me is is very sad. Like, I'm happy like my wife and kids are here. I spent a little bit too much
		

			time with my wife and kids. You know, you get a little bit of cabin fever. But first I would never
choose the opposite. Yeah, I've heard people say like, you know, especially married people with
kids. Like I've heard people complain a lot, right? Like all you just stuck in the house and your
kids like, you know, kids are not going to school and this is getting on my nerves or whatever. And
then they look at people were single, and they're like, Oh, you have so easy and so much time.
You're
		

			So, um, the grass is always greener on the other side, right? Because single people are like, mad,
depressed these days. Oh, I can imagine, you know, being by yourself. And I mean, I'm the type of
person like, I enjoy being by myself, like even the day and I was by myself and I was totally cool
with that. But I think for most people, like it's really hard to be by yourself for such a long
period of time. Oh, yeah. So yeah, it might be difficult to like, you know, deal with your kids all
the time. And you just have that complete, you know, spending 24 seven with your wife and your kids,
you know, it's not always easy. But how do they know? Like, we have family you know, that's, that's
		

			there. You know, it made me think about how would it be like to be like a river for example. Like a
lot of you know, river brothers and sisters like, that's their life, like, you know, they might have
to cut off ties with their family, they might, you know, even spending eat theoretically, like, you
know, by myself, but I was with my family, my wife and kids. Yeah, that feeling of you know, missing
out on that. I imagine the amount of people that feel like that all the time, like on a day, you
have no one to enjoy it with you, you know, with my family, like my wife makes a big deal out of
aid. My kids, they put up decorations, I'm not an E person per se. Like I never I never really got
		

			into like the the celebratory part of it. I just kind of do my bad then whatever. But like my kids,
like look forward to it. It's it's something that's big on the calendar. And I can imagine like
someone being taught like this is this huge occasion is this festive activity that almost and then
your eat is literally like nothing like you just go pray and then that's it. You know, the one of
the most depressing days of the year when I was in Medina, was eight. Oh, yeah. For the students. I
remember man, like you go early in the morning, like especially a prayer. They're like super early,
go pray for a job. Mission number one, and then you wait for the eighth prayer. And then you know
		

			what, it's so crazy, because nothing is open. Everyone is with their family. There aren't even cab
you can find a cab. Yeah, so you're just like by yours. And everyone's celebrating with their
families. And you're just like, it's so depressing. Like, you know, what a students do for fun over
there while you go out. You got to eat, you know, things like that. Even that's close. Our members
have had a low like, I remember hanging out with a gentleman. And we're just like, super depressed.
		

			on a dime. Remember, somebody has had a lot I remember one day, somebody called chef innovate and
you know, navaid he was one person that people would call with their, with their problems and issues
or whatever. And he like counseled them or whatever. I remember one day he and I don't know who he
was talking to. But he's like, he's like, no, he like, Don't cry. Like, it'll be okay. Like, he will
be over soon. You know, classes are gonna start everything will be fine. And I'm going to try and
come see you today. And I was like, oh, man, I've had a lot like that experience of you speaking to
another student. Yeah. A student, a student who's like super depressed on the aid because you know,
		

			you're 1000s of miles away from your family. And you just see everybody celebrating. And it's it's
sad, man. So yeah, like, with reverts mean. Yes. How to LA. I can't even imagine like, how difficult
that must be. Yeah, yeah. I mean, this, this quarantine thing has really taught me a lot about like
myself about the things that I value, but the things that are important to me. And what I'm more
scared about really, like, I think where some of my anxiety comes from is like, I don't know what
the world is gonna look like, like moving forward. Like, I don't think it'll ever go back to how it
was like those days of the fight like that will those will be like, the golden years for us. You
		

			know? Like, I don't know, like, I don't know how people realistically can, you know, will we ever
get back to this days of large gatherings? Will you know, people's be in the habit of wanting to go
outside again, like, even now here in Toronto, like, there's a big debate, I'm sure it's the same
where you are like about going back to school for kids.
		

			Online, like, imagine even that basic thing like school is not going to be the same forget, you
know, everything else that we knew to be normal. Yeah, I feel like it's like, in my mind is gonna go
one of two ways, either. Well, definitely, it's going to be a new reality. Right? That's just I
think that's something we've got to come to terms with, like, yeah, it's never gonna be the same. I
mean, that's just and but that's life anyway, right? We're used to things being very constant and
consistent. Not everyone is that fortunate, right? people's lives change overnight, you know, for so
many different reasons. And you have to deal with it. But in my mind, like, I've been thinking about
		

			this, and I'm like, Yeah, I think it's gonna be a while for things to get like back to quote
unquote, normal. But I had this feeling that like, once like the we get the vaccine and things like
people are gonna, they're gonna go insane
		

			be out and about and learn or want to be at gatherings and I'm like, so. So it might be that it's
like we're going the other extreme. Right. So I don't know it's I think we'll never forget this
feeling of what like helplessness we had like, being forced to be locked inside your home. That's
like, like, if, like I felt like I
		

			lives in the Hudson, you can imagine what people might feel like. Yeah, under military control, a
lack of access to freedom of movement. And that's their life. That's not life. That's their life. So
we now experiencing that I don't think our memory banks will ever allow us just like we never forget
911 like, even though 911 happened, and it was a while ago, I remember, as a teenager, the feelings
post I mean, you're, you're in DC, you're in my area, like, yeah, post 911 is it's a different
world, there's pre pre 911 and after 911, like, the world kind of shifts back to how, you know,
you'd hope it would but like, you never forget those moments. Yes, changed forever, you know, and
		

			you're absolutely right. Like, in my mind, there's a memory there's a clear distinction between pre
911 post 911 because just the world which is so different, I used to go to the US as a Canadian
citizen as a as a teenager like a 13 and 14 with no ID
		

			I kid you not we would drive to the border and my dad would present like his ID and then I would
have like a library card like it didn't matter. The borders were so flexible, remember, like how
that that time is? It was like there was no suspicion there was no like, those were the golden
years, you know, but for us now it's like, I don't think people growing up today even realize, like,
you know, how weird of a world it is now. Like with the, you know, even just security and borders
and all that kind of stuff. I mean, in my I think I've been so traumatized by like, the way the
world is now like intense security and screen with it. I don't even remember what it was like Korean
		

			I like traveling pre 911. Like, I don't remember people say, right, that you used to walk through,
like mad, easy screening or whatever. And I'm like, I can't Why do I not have memories of that, like
I just in my mind is just as this is like, this is the way it is, you know, this is the new normal.
I think like masks are going to become the new normal. Absolutely. I don't think that's going and
you know, fair enough, like in Asia and stuff like you even before this whole crony thing. Like that
was a common thing. Like people were just conscious of that, right? They've been wearing masks. Oh,
you're like, what's the big deal? And Americans are losing their minds and
		

			protesting for lack of masscue. So people walk into Costco and they you know, have a temper tantrum.
But yeah, I think that's going to become a part of our like, lexicon. Like, it's just Oh, yeah.
Like, where's your mask, like, you have to have a mask you have to have, and I don't think that's a
bad thing. Because even if we do get a vaccine for like this COVID thing, there's obviously chances
that something else might pop up in the future, right? I think Yeah, idea of us taking preventative
measures and understanding the transmission of diseases and stuff. Like I don't think that's a bad
thing. I think that's more overall moving forward. We'll be better equipped for something like this
		

			in the future. I think it's just like, I just thought full thing of the days like walking into a
theater or an auditorium. And you have like, 20,000 people. I don't think that I don't know how that
can happen again. How can we have a conference with 10,000 people without shall be six feet, each
person being six feet apart? Man, yeah, that's gonna be weird, man. Everybody wearing masks? You
know. I mean, I think you know, I was constantly like, there's knowledge and wisdom and everything I
don't like I said, I don't think it'll be a bad thing. I think it's like you said, it's just a new
reality. Like, yeah, my kids are now growing up doing kindergarten online. Yeah. I think that their
		

			reality when they get older, we'll just be like, yeah, that's how we did things like Yeah, what do
you mean, you didn't have internet schooling? Like, we didn't even have dial up when I was a kid?
Would you mean internet school? Like it was even something you can imagine? Right? But so I think
just the world moving forward, it's just gonna look a lot different. But you know, I'm hopeful that
we'll still thrive. That's so crazy, man. Cuz you know, life is starting kindergarten.
		

			And it's online. Right?
		

			And it's like, That's his reality now like that is you feel bad for him? I do feel bad for him, man.
Because, you know, it's just like, That's his experience of school. And I was actually very excited
for him to go to school. Yeah, experience, you know that. But now it's just, and he's totally, like,
unfazed by it. Cuz he doesn't know. Right? He's like, oh, online. Awesome. And yeah, online and
great. Like, he doesn't complain about wearing mess. He's like, yeah, cool. Can I get like a ninja
turtle mask? and this and that. Yeah. And he's because he's like, you know, he's like, Okay, so this
is what it is, is what is that kids? That's how they are? Yes. Looks Oh, yeah. But mass man. This is
		

			the time to invest in math. I've been investing in math people have been people have been sleeping
on math. They're like, Oh, you know when you get those? You gotta you gotta get some nice I ordered
like I ordered like bulk. But yeah, it's it's it's just the world now. Like, my my kids are
completely like schools like an app now. It's like an iPad. Oh, yeah, I go to school here. There's
classes. And like, for all intents purposes, like my kids do, like they have a court and tutor and
stuff that they do is online. So it's not a foreign concept to them. Like they understand the
premise of being taught online. But I definitely feel bad for them, even if they don't realize it.
		

			Like I'm like, dude, your childhood sucks. Like you don't know what it's like to go to school and
like have friends and run around and
		

			Get like injured and that's it's sad for me inside. I can imagine like the kids that graduated this
last year, people are calling them like, they're like the the war babies, you know, like the baby
boomers like Yeah, yeah and I in a minute in many ways I'm like this is gonna be a strong bunch of
people because their life they didn't have like the ease that we had and imagine our ease was still
like post 911 ease, which was like, you know, you can still travel you might get sent to Guantanamo
on the way there but like a museum get on a plane, right? Like that world is done now. Can you
imagine going to college working hard for five years, whatever your big day and it's like, dude,
		

			you're on zoom for a little
		

			longer. That's Yeah, that makes me thankful for like, even the struggles that I had. And you know,
being in a family that was immigrants and being relatively poor, and but like, even those exams like
to me, that was still fun. Like, yeah, I don't know. Of course, like, like you said, it's all about
context, like our kids don't know any better at this point. Yeah, yeah. for them. It's just that's
what it is. But I don't know it doesn't feel right. It doesn't feel right at all. But like you said,
maybe things maybe things will go back to normal, right after high school vaccine things seems like
in the US To be honest, things have been normal all along. It doesn't seem so so let me tell you
		

			something Americans, Americans are just like, and obviously I'm generalizing here, but a lot of
Americans are like, you know what, we don't want to deal with it. So we're just gonna pretend like
this is not happening. Like, I can't be inconvenient. So I'm just gonna go and live my life. And
it's like us crazy man that, you know, that mentality of, you know, hey, I'm just gonna live like, a
basketball is back on. So
		

			I'm cool. You know, it's, that part is scary to me, because I obviously travel to the us a lot. And
I almost feel bad for the Americans. I'm like, Damn, you guys are taking this thing serious man.
Like, it's scary as a person outside the US to see how badly like leaders and stuff are dealing with
obviously a state to state you know, region to region. I mean, the leader is obviously not doing a
fantastic job with that. I feel sorry for like, the the people who are going to be affected by it,
like the how many, you know, 1000s of people are going to really lose their lives.
		

			Other people being inconsiderate, like, not what you know, wearing masks and stuff, like you're
saving lives by doing that, you know, it's very selfish to to really do otherwise. And the thing is,
you know, when it comes to America, like it's like the land of extremes. It's not like, oh, some
people are okay with it. Some people are not in the favor of asthma. It's like you're either
completely against it, right? Like you hate it. Like you're attacking people who wear masks, or
you're like, against that, right? It's just so polarized. It's like half of the countries in in one
camp, other half of countries and that, and that's what, like almost every issue. So it's like, it's
		

			black and white, red and blue. Yeah. It's, it's really sad. I mean, in all fairness, like, I think,
in Canada, there are definitely segments of the population that are like that, but it's for the most
part. Like if I walk into like, I went to a cottage, like, you know, maybe a few weeks ago, and I
walked we were like driving into a small town and I walked in some people wearing masks and people
weren't. Yeah, and in Toronto, it's like mandatory like they don't let you into shops if you don't
have a mask, but in this small town, it was like some people were to be I didn't care. I'm like, I'm
wearing one I'm good. Like whatever cooties you I'm gonna catch it right. People just like to make
		

			issues polarizing. I don't know why it's like that. Like, I think aside, yeah, man. It's really
disheartening sometimes, because it's like, man, as like, we can't agree on anything. Like,
everything becomes politicized, like the smallest things become politicized. And people draw lines,
you know, and like battle lines drawn over, like a match against us. Yeah, that's what it is. So, so
how to LA. I mean, I think this is a good time for us as Muslims as well to show, you know, I know,
we've dealt with this, like within the Muslim community, right? groups and things like that, or
whatever. But Muslims coming together for the common good. I think like, this is our time to shine.
		

			And that's why like, I like so far, I think, listen to at least my experience, Muslims have been
doing a great job, you know, like, coming together for the common good, helping people.
		

			Like we got to, we got to show people waste them in a lot of ways. We got to think Corona took a lot
of blame off us for a minute, you know,
		

			I feel less under the spotlight. Well, I would say I felt less under the spotlight as a Muslim. But
then as a black person, I was like, Oh, yeah, this is definitely not the time to be alive. Like, I
mean, just with everything happening in terms of issues around race and stuff like that. Yeah. So in
many ways, it's like a breath of fresh air that I feel like this. This like, pressured situation
that everyone's under has forced them to, like, reflect on everything, like yeah, everything you can
imagine. But at the same time, it's like will things get better? I think so. I think you can't go
anywhere except up from here. Like, this is pretty cool, man. I don't know how low the low goes.
		

			That's just the thing, right? Like we don't know. Like things turn and I hate to be like, you
		

			No Debbie Downer or whatever, I usually try to be the positive one. But we also have to be
realistic, right? I mean, to be honest, like I, you know, I tell people around me all this all the
time, like how many, like, real hardships and tragedies have we actually faced? Right? Like people
and their people in the world right now who are dealing with serious pain, serious suffering,
serious tragedy? Why do we think that we, we don't deserve that right? Or we are not going to face
that? You know, my love protectors? Obviously, we never asked for that we have a lot to protect us.
Yeah. But you know, that's the reality of this life. And it's a big wake up call. I think for a lot
		

			of people. I think we're living more and more in a globalized world. So a lot of problems are not
just restricted to one area anymore. Right? Like Quran is a worldwide problem, right? So there are
countries that are better, there are countries that are worse, but there's no country that is like,
completely untouched, other than New Zealand, New Zealand, new but even Yeah, so it's only because
they close themselves off, right. But realistically, a country cannot close themselves off from the
world. But you can only do that for so long. We're not you know, now in 2020. You know, you can't,
you can't just there's no place in the world where you're completely isolated. Unless like you're
		

			living on some Island somewhere and you make it you know, you have your own food and your farm and
but that's a completely different life mission. I mean, that's a lot of people now are really
looking at that as like a viable option. It's crazy to just because of like, the whole online thing
now even working, like you could literally work you can be anywhere working from quote unquote,
home. Yeah, you could still work for an American company living in, in whatever part of the world
you know, like, I don't know, I think it's, uh, you know, like, when, I don't know how it is how it
was for you, but like, probably for a lot of people, you know, when you just start practicing and
		

			you get really, you know, enthusiastic about being this is the thing that always comes up, like, I
want to live in a Muslim country, I want to, you know, and I actually got my, what they call that
CELTA, you know, like the teaching English certificate thing. Okay. Okay. So I'm qualified to teach
English as a second language.
		

			And I got it like, right out of university. Before I got married. I was like, Oh, this is a backup
plan. Because everything here fails. At least I have an out that thought now for me is become so
foreign. I'm like, why would I want to live here? Why would I want to leave here? I've been here.
I've built my life here. My family's here. You know, a lot of I respect them a lot. A lot of Somalis
who have been educated in the West have, you know, done their schooling when they're going back to
Somalia? And actually, they're helping rebuild the country and they're doing a really good job.
That's the chief of police, I think in Mogadishu is a Somali sister who grew up in the UK. Wow.
		

			Yeah. So there's a lot of people who now see the value of giving back to those places where
historically they haven't had the same infrastructure, they haven't had the same people that you
know, because of colonization and so many other issues that haven't given them the opportunities to
thrive. So who are we to then deprive those places of those experiences? I think for that for the
children of immigrants, it's, it's a little bit different, right? Because their identity is forever
tied into, you know, where they're living. Like, I, I lived, I lived in Saudi Arabia, where I
studied there. And I went through the same thing you went through a lot of people do when they first
		

			you know, either accept Islam, they start taxing as rosy picture of the Muslim world. Until you go
there. Or until you until you live there. Yeah. And I remember, you know, first time went to Egypt
for I want to spend a couple months there. And before I went to Egypt, I had this I'm like, I'm
going to a Muslim country. I've never like properly lived and
		

			died, I'm gonna just fit in and, and Subhanallah I remember this, this feeling of like, feeling.
Like, I felt like such a foreigner over there. You know, and even though like a Muslim, I by a
Muslim, were praying this and that, but I just felt so foreign there. And I remember coming home,
landing in DC, and it's like, I'm like, home, like I felt I felt, you know, because that's part of
who I am. That's part of my identity. So it's your family from your family's from India or Pakistan.
Pakistan. I don't want to generalize. I didn't want to generalize, but I think it was one of them.
Yeah. But now like, Yeah, I do, I can connect with Pakistani culture, but not in the way that I
		

			connect with, you know, the culture here. And that's why people like, Hey, you should, you know,
like give Dawa, to Pakistanis and this and that, whatever. I'm like, I don't know if that's the best
idea. Because I don't know if I fully relate to that culture. Yeah, when you're giving dry to
people, like you have to understand who you're giving away to. Now, of course, there are things that
I can relate to because of my parents. But then there's a lot of stuff like I may say something
like, Oh, you know, you should do this or whatever. But I'm completely missing a perspective. Yeah,
right. It's like when,
		

			you know, when this when, you know, last few months, Black Lives Matter or whatever. You have people
talking about, you know, black issues and they had no insight into
		

			What black people have been going through? Right? And a lot of people are like, yo, let's let the
people who are experiencing this life talk because that's the person that like, they that's the real
perspective. Right? So, you know, weird my experiences, it's like, like, so I went I visited so I
had this, like this awakening in like maybe 2008 2007, something like that I decided in one summer,
to go to Egypt to study Arabic And then to visit Ethiopia in the same summer. And mind you I had, I
had never traveled like outside like North America. And I I, in my, my language skills are very bad.
Like, I don't speak like my parents language that well, I don't speak like we speak the language
		

			like my my ability to communicate is like a two year old, like, probably worse. So I remember first
I went to Egypt. And I was like, Alright, I'm going to the Muslim land. I'm going to enjoy my
brothers and sisters. And I could not I could not leave the apartment I had, I was so scared. Like,
people are just shouting and
		

			horns honking. And I'm like, what is going on your car? Oh, I was in Cairo. Yeah. Man. Cairo for
you. Yeah. And I had a complete culture shock. Like, I was like, What is this place? I, I at that
point, I realized, okay, they're Muslim, but I'm not then like, I cannot function here. I'm, I've
been civilized in a different way. And then, and then I went back home. So then I went to Ethiopia.
And when I went back home, everyone would call me, the foreigner.
		

			And then Egypt, they'll call me the African. Wow. And I'm like, Damn, I thought we were in Africa.
What's going on with Africa? Where are you guys? It's funny enough, like having those experience of
being an outsider in places where I thought I was supposed to blend in. And then finally coming back
to Canada and being like, same thing like I'm home. Yeah, but then it's almost like, is it home?
Like, I I love being here, and I love being Canadian. But then at the same time, you experience
things like racism and discrimination growing up, and you're reminded constantly that like, you're
not like, well, who like you think you are this thing? You think you are part of this population,
		

			man?
		

			Yeah, but that's the dunya. Man. I mean, you know, we don't actually truly belong to that. So I'm
not you know, I'm not belittling anyone's struggle. Absolutely not. Right. Of course. Some people
have been really bad.
		

			But yeah, you know, that's, that's the reality of, look. Our identities are so complex, even within
America, it's so interesting. You can go from one state to another state, and you can feel
completely comfortable. What and at home in one state, and another state, you feel so different.
You're treated as an outsider. I remember one time I was driving through driving through the south,
the Bible Belt, and, you know, we pulled over at a rest stop. And it was me and my brother, and we
got out to pray. And we're like, ah, should we pray outside? We had to pray this and that. And like,
we we pray finish, I saw this pickup truck came by this guy rolled down his window. He goes, Hey,
		

			I'm like, Okay, all right. Because I just, I just want to let y'all know, y'all welcome here. And I
was like,
		

			Well, I'm glad that you know, you said that. And I guess that had to be stated. It wasn't a given.
Right. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. Right. Like the fact that he has to point out that hey, don't feel alarm
buddy. Exactly. Like why would I didn't feel alarmed until you told me not to feel? Yeah, yeah,
exactly. Exactly. Yeah, but you know, that's, that's the humbler man. It just I was wondering if
maybe this whole Corona thing and you know, especially with the whole renewed discussion on racism,
if any of this will point people to another solution, which is, hey, let's just leave a lot of
people's many African Americans in the US are like, yo, we got let's go back to Africa. You know,
		

			people have been telling us to go back to Africa for years. Let's go. You have people now setting up
in like, in the West Africa, a lot of people like there's like literally, like communities that are
being formed of like expats who live ethiopia where I'm from, there's a region called shusha.
Monday, I think it's called. And Funny enough, it's the it's the area where like Rastafarians
because you know, like Rastafarians have a connection with Ethiopia and Haile Selassie Yeah, place
where they like claim. So there are a bunch of Jamaicans like living in Ethiopia as locals, there's
like a this is our place now where, you know, when they're settled, they have their own culture,
		

			society, everything. So I was wondering if like that something like that will emerge out of this.
People just be like, yeah, this this place too crazy. Like, I don't want to be here anymore. It
could happen. But I don't think we're anywhere close to that point right now. Like things have to
get really, really bad. But from, from an Islamic perspective, like it has to get to the point where
you're not able to practice your faith. Right, right. And when it gets to that point, yeah, then you
gotta go. You gotta go somewhere where you can practice your faith. And in many ways, I think the
people that are overseas, they look at us, especially like people who are in the field of dow or
		

			like, in the West, and I think some of them are not jealous, but they're like, wow, like, you're
really doing something like I hear that from people because they're like, like, try giving Tao in a
Muslim country. It's like, it's like it's like a gas station on every corner. It's like you're not
doing
		

			anything unique, there's no excessive need. Like, it's like, I don't have to listen to you, I can go
to the machine, I have seven, massage it around my home. So I think Either that, or it's you're not
allowed to get home. Yeah, the other thing
		

			is if it's government dollar, like if you're giving off again, I think, I think like we're in a
unique position where like, we are actually teaching people and have an opportunity to expose people
to Islam for like, the first time. Yeah, and leave a lasting imprint and actually, you know, affect
generations of people like you have free for like, second or third generation revert families now,
or the great grandfather converted. And now, you know, that historic and I know, people look at what
we're doing, and they're like, you know, they wish they had that opportunity of actually effecting
change. And that's why English I think, is so universal. Because a lot of people now even you'll
		

			hear that ease and stuff in India and in like, Nigeria, and then they're number one, like mode of
communication is English. Yeah. Have you ever have you ever checked your your stats or whatever of
your social media, like where people follow you? Um, big. Top, Top three countries are big in Legos,
man, I don't know why I don't know how these guys figured me out. I don't even know if they if they
don't know, I'm not Nigerian. But I like to do not might like one of my like, my top five is like
Nairobi, in Kenya, and then Legos. And then it's like, the rest is the rest of it is like American
city like London. And I think like Toronto, and like New York or something. And it's funny to me,
		

			because I'm like, a lot, I get a lot of curiosity from them. Because a lot of times, they hear what
I'm saying like in the in the language, they understand the language, but they don't understand the
context. Yeah. And they don't understand some of the nuances that maybe we would pick up. And
sometimes I feel like telling them like, Dude, this is actually not for you. Yeah. Will you speak
English? This is actually not Greek, you know? Yeah. But that's the problem, right? with social
media and the internet, you know, there's no filter, like, you post something, and somebody sitting
in their corner of the world is listening to it, and they're reacting to it based off of their life
		

			experience, I guess is all the time, man, you must super upset at my posts. I know. Because, and you
like to provoke them. That's your problem. You enjoy it, I think I think you enjoy a little bit.
		

			I like it to actually I'm
		

			gonna wake people up. Right? Like, and get them out of their comfort zone. I think especially for
people that live in a traditional Muslim society, they've never heard outs, they never heard
conflicting opinions, you've never heard it or even heard there is a difference of opinion, you
know, for those things are given. Exactly. So for me, I like that I'm like, I want people to
understand that Islam is not just Pakistani Islam. Right. Islam is practiced in other parts of the
world. And it looks different. And the cultures are different. And I know you're used to something
being the norm. And you're used to some being defined by what's what happens in your culture. But
		

			I'm sorry, you know, Islam is not restricted to one culture. So that's part of the reason why I do
it, you know, because for some people, certain things are shocking to them, not because it goes
against Islam is because it goes against their image of Islam and their culture. I think their
culture. Yeah, I think I kind of think like Western Islam is pretty dope in that sense that like,
because there are so many people from from coming from so many different backgrounds, like everyone
was explaining, like hardcore Hanafi, Cher, was explaining that, you know, he has to pray behind any
man who he just saw wipe his socks. Yeah, maybe we'll do over his socks. Yeah. And, and his instinct
		

			of like, nature would be like, Alright, there's no way like, if he was with his people, he was back
home, we'd be like, Nah, that's not really yeah. But he recognizes that I'm in America, I mean, you
know, with the gym with the people, these are my people. I may not agree with everything they do.
But we have a commonality and a value that, you know, he's not going to dismiss. And he's like,
that's, he was my he's mentioned that in the context of the fact that many scholars who come from
overseas, they find that adjustment really hard. Yeah, you know, especially when you've been taught
and taught to think a certain way and certain principles, and then when you discover, like, Hey, you
		

			have people from North Africa, from this place in Asia from this place, and you know, places that
have varying opinions on many different cultures is different. You have to learn to accommodate, I
think that is a beautiful perspective. And we have, we really get, you know, privy to like many
places don't really see that. Absolutely. That's the beauty of living in a place like this. you're
forced to deal with your differences. Yeah. Right. Because you go to the masjid with people from all
over the world, all different backgrounds, all different without him and it's like, you have to live
together. You have to pray together. You got you know, one mission hopefully, right? You have one
		

			mission it was there, you got it. Either you deal with your differences, or it's not going to work.
So that's, that's a blessing that we come out of it. I like those small cities like you said, like
sometimes you go to small towns and they have that one question. Those are like the best towns where
like, literally everyone has no choice but to work together. problem is when more people start
moving in, then you can start making your little his black. Okay, this is our mustard. Yeah. That's
the biggest
		

			Cities, man. Yeah, you've got just somebody's machine. You've got your Bengali machine. You got your
Pakistani machine, you got your out of machines and this and that. Whatever. Yeah. Smart. Yeah,
you're absolutely right. smaller cities, and everybody gets along, man, because you have no choice.
You've got to make it worse. And it's beautiful. And they may not like it, because they're like, Oh,
you know, we'd have lack of lack of access to knowledge, but your email, you have your email on
speed dial, like, you know, at any given point of the day or time like, you know, who to call for
whatever reason, like living in a big city where you know, and as a cosmetology, cosmopolitan, and
		

			there's so many sides, and you actually sometimes you feel like you're kind of left, like you can
get stuck in the cracks, like you can get Yeah, I go to a machine I could you not. And I've been
praying, I've been praying in my machine for like, five, six years, I don't even know probably more
than three people's names. Wow. Wow. I went to this one city, I think I think it was Maine or
somewhere. But in the whole city, there's one mission, obviously, but the whole Muslim population is
made up of like, a handful of families. That's it. That's beautiful. So they had an interfaith
event. And they invited like, you know, Christians and Jews and people that people of different
		

			faiths. And like 200 people showed up, and only 40 of them were Muslim. And that's unlike all
Muslims. They didn't come out to that. They're like, no, this is a total mix of puppies. This was
this was like, this is it. And I was like, wow. And it's beautiful. cuz everybody gets along, you
know, they make it work. It was like founding fathers and mothers and families. Like I always envied
them a little bit, because I'm like, Man, you guys, you guys got the ball rolling. I can imagine
like, in Canada, the first machine was in Edmonton. You've been to Edmonton a few times? Yes. Yeah.
The first machine in Canada was built in Edmonton by Lebanese settlers who came. And I sometimes
		

			think to myself, man, that that guy probably had no idea. Like, cuz that community now is thriving.
And from there, you've built you know, the entire country's had a hump to Islam. Like, imagine
leaving that as like a southern contatti. You know, imagine you live your life down dedication to
the community. And then like, you know, 1520 years later, maybe, you know, obviously, he dies from
the last panel data, like there's no guarantee, right? But imagine you leave that legacy with other
people. And then with your own kids, your own family, it's just like,
		

			they got under the deal. That's your thing, man. You know, that's why I you know, I never judge
people and because you just never know, right? A lot of there's a lot of mounds and scholars and
speakers or whatever, and their kids are very far away from the dean. Yeah. And that truly shows us
that he died from a law. You just you just never know. So, yeah, that's true.
		

			It's weird when their wives look like they're far away from a slap. Somebody just sticks out like,
		

			I always worry about, like, especially makes sense. It makes sense to me to be honest, why is that?
So I'll tell you what.