Naima B. Robert – Advice for Muslim Women Writers Becoming your publishers favourite author Najiyah Maxfield

Naima B. Robert
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The importance of self publishing is discussed, with emphasis on clear ideas and polishing one's manuscript before submitting it for review. The speaker advises finding a personable and comprehensive method, being open-minded, and building a brand. The importance of social media and the success of books in the industry is emphasized, along with the need for flexibility in communication and sharing ideas. The importance of building relationships with publishers and readers is emphasized, as well as the need for personalizing and collaborating with readers. The speaker offers an author coaching program for marketing and emphasizes the importance of building relationships with publishers and readers.
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Now today is day 3, and on day

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3, we have talked a lot about publishing

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and the publishing side.

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We've heard about self publishing. We've looked at

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independent publishers,

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but we also know that the relationship between

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a publisher and an author

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is really important. And so today, in this

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session, we have a very special guest. The

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editor of Daybreak Press,

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editorial director should I say, of Daybreak Press

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from the US

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teaching us how to become

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your publisher's

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favorite author, sister Najia.

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Thanks for inviting me. I'm so excited to

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be here and make great relationships between all

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of us writers and publishers.

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Yes. Insha'Allah. So I know that,

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I know your colleague, my sister Tamara Gray,

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she's

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indicated to me that sometimes

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authors can be

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a bit of a pain. Is that true?

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It's true. I'm sure that authors believe the,

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the opposite of that as well. And I

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think that those tensions

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can definitely

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be improved upon.

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Like, there are several ways that authors both

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authors and publishers because I'll I'm gonna hit

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both sides of this coin. Oh, nice.

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There are there are ways that we can

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kind of eliminate those tensions and,

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and alleviate the pain. Fantastic. Sis,

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take it away.

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Alright. So,

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I am going to begin I'm gonna go

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kind of chronologically through the process of submitting

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your manuscript,

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and,

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we'll hit I'll hit about

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10 or so major,

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milestones along that way where tensions can crop

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up and give you some ways to kind

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of,

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head those off at the path. We'll do

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author's perspective first, or I mean, publisher's perspective,

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how to be a great author for your

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publisher,

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and then we'll do a little bit about

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being a great publisher for your authors.

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Because I know that we do have some

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people who have registered who are publishers, so

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and who people have lots also who are

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self publishing. And even if you're self publishing,

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some of this information might be helpful to

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you because it deals with the things that,

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you know, even internally you'll have to address.

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Okay. So the first thing that you need

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to know before you submit to a publisher

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is what you really want.

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You need to have

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clear ideas of what you envision for your

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book. Because, for example, if you envision a

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book that's gonna be available next month,

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traditional publishing is not probably the way that

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you want to go.

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We say that traditional publishing is

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not slow, it's a glacial.

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A lot of times

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authors become really frustrated, especially now it feels

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more glacial. Like, when I first published my

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my book, it was pretty much, like, expected.

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It was par for the course that it

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would take 18 months or longer.

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Whereas now,

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with so many options and the democratization

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of being able to publish and that great

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opportunity for people to get their work out

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there,

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traditional publishing feels very much slower.

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So remember those kind of I know that

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you've talked about the different methods and the

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different ways hybrid publishing and

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self publishing and traditional.

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So remember that while you're considering

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which way is best for you, that time

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frame is something to consider.

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And, also, don't let the time frame intimidate

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you.

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If you really feel like you want the,

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that relationship, that help, that whatever it is

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that makes you feel like you have more

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check marks in the pro column for

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for traditional publishing, don't let the time frame

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intimidate you because,

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those advantages might outweigh the fact that it'll

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be a little bit slow. I say a

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little bit slow.

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So that's that's the first one point is

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know exactly what you want.

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And we'll get to a little bit of

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flexibility in what you want later. So foreshadowing.

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So when you're actually sitting down to do

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your submissions

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and you open your computer, you the first

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place you wanna go is not submission guidelines.

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The first place you wanna go is what

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else have they published?

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You want to know what kind of publisher

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you're submitting to.

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You want to look at maybe even, like,

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you know, read the synopsis, maybe look at,

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their mission statement,

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Look at their whole entire website.

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Like, tell yourself you don't get to go

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to the submission guidelines until you have completely

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done your homework on this entire,

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publishing house, then you can reward yourself with

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going to the submission guidelines if they match

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your

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book. Daybreak Press is a press that is

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very women centric

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and very,

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and Muslim.

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And I've gotten manuscripts from male non Muslims,

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about books,

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you know, for, like, how to change the

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oil in your car or random, you know,

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like,

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just hello?

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Are you just spamming the whole publishing community?

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That wastes your time and the publisher's time.

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So make sure that the peep the person

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that you're talking to wants to hear from

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you

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before you submit that that query or that

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manuscript.

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Then, also, what you want to do is

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make sure that when you submit, you submit

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whatever exactly what they say.

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Submission guidelines

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often like, usually,

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as a general rule of thumb,

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nonfiction

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requires a query letter

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and maybe a a couple of chapters, and

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fiction doesn't necessarily require a query letter, but

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we do at Daybreak Press.

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So and your your cover letter, even if

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you just submit a manuscript, you consider your

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cut you can consider your cover letter for

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that as

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as a query as a query letter.

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So

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that query letter is not

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a drudgery. It's not something that you just

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have to get through. It's not something that,

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you can take lightly.

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It's a golden opportunity.

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Your query letter is a golden opportunity to

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build that relationship with your publisher from that

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moment.

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If you write a query letter that is

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personable

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and comprehensive

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and tells the publisher

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why the world needs this book

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and how it fulfills their mission

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and does it in a in a very

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open and friendly way

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that will get your manuscript not your menus

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well, your manuscript or your chapters

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read. That will get you to the next

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step, whatever the next step is.

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If you write a query letter that just

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says, attach, please find my manuscript,

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I mean, they might look at the manuscript,

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but they're not turned on and they're not,

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you know, they're not

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feeling you at all.

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And if you write a query letter, which

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I received some of these kind of query

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letters as well that says, you know, I

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wrote this,

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I got the idea for this when I

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was blah blah blah, and it took me

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5 years to write this, and it's my

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dream to be an author, blah blah blah.

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That is telling the publisher what they can

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do for you

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and what, the world can do for you

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by reading your book. Yeah. It's not telling

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them what your book can do for the

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world.

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So what you have to think of your

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book as a service. Your book is going

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out into the world to fulfill a need,

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and you have to, like, draw the the

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publisher's attention to what that need is and

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how your book is an awesome way to

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fit it.

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The third step,

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polish your manuscript.

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Polish, polish, polish. By which I do not

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mean

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you polish your manuscript.

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I mean, you polish your manuscript until you

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think it's shiny,

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and then you give it to someone else

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to edit.

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There's a cardinal rule in writing, which is

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that

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you really can't edit your own work. And

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that goes for me, a professional editor.

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Wow. Wow. You can't edit your own work.

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Why? Because when you read your own work,

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you see what you meant.

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You just gloss you you it's so easy

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to gloss over mistakes because or or, you

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know, like, typos or

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misplaced words or whatever the situation may be,

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you miss them because you see in your

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but with your eye what your mind meant

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to write. Yeah.

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So, make sure that you get someone else

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to give it a good go over. Doesn't

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have to be a professional.

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It'd be nice if you could get a

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professional, But if you're not in a position

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to be able to do that, like, if

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my first book I wasn't,

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get somebody that you know is

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good with the old keyboard

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and the English language to to go over

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it

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for you and give it a good once

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over,

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at least for proofreading. You know, like, they

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don't you don't have to have somebody, you

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know, like, do content editing or anything like

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that, of course. But for proofreading, you need

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to have a good proofreader.

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Make sure that you have enough beta readers.

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So you send it to enough people that

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they can catch

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congruency mistakes and things like that. For example,

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when I wrote Sofia's journal,

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I sent it to several

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people, and a couple of them gave me

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very good, like, oh, for example,

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there's a dog in the first scene, and

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then he never comes back.

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You know, like, the pea the family has

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a dog, but then the dog never shows

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up again, or the the timing is x

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y z. 1 of them

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was 12 years old.

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Wow.

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And she told me, listen. You have a

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timing mistake

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in in, you know, in this part blah

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blah blah. And I was like, yeah, Latif.

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No. None of the grown ups picked it

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up. Wow. So have a diverse group of

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beta readers

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and, and take their take their advice to

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heart. You can take all of it, but

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respect their opinions. Yes. Yes.

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If a publisher receives

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okay. If a publisher

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reads your first chapter and it's full of

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all kinds of mechanical errors,

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they may not read any further

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because

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they can see

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not only the level of writing, but also

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they can see the amount of time it's

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gonna take for that. They can see where

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this is going.

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Yeah.

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They can see where this is going.

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And if a publisher likes your story,

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but but it does need a lot of

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mechanics work, they may go ahead and, you

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know, and take you on, but it is

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gonna take a lot of extra time. So

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just kind of keep that in mind and

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get it's like it's like labor. Like, you

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wanna do as much of your labor at

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home as you can if you're having a

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hospital birth before you go to the hospital.

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So you don't have to,

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you know, suffer through all of that

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stuff that you could have done at home

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there where you're tied to a bed and

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you're on a monitor and you're telling having

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2 people tell you what you can do

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and you can't eat and you blah blah

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blah, whatever.

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Right? So it's much easier to labor at

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home. It's much easier to polish your manuscript

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before you send it.

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That doesn't mean there won't be polishes later,

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but, you know, do your best. Just as

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a caveat, you know, just in case you

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thought that it was perfect, this remains important.

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Because people get they take it personally, don't

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they? When the editor comes back with something,

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so I've done everything. Like, it's polished. Why

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are you telling me there's more stuff? But

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Yeah.

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Yeah. Indeed.

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At Daybreak Press, we have been so blessed

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to work with so many wonderful authors who

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are

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open, completely

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open to,

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you know, to those kind of, you know,

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flush this out,

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change this a little, you know, like, those

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kind of content things. And then we've had

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a a client or 2 who like like,

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you may have. Like,

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a client or 2 who who who really

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came

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to a traditional publisher

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when they really should have self published Right.

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Because they were emotionally attached to that. It's

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not bad to be emotionally attached to what

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you've written, but if you're really strongly emotionally

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attached to every comma,

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you should self publish because that way you

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get your way,

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and you don't drive your publisher up a

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tree.

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So you have to look at your book.

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You know, like, people say a lot of

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times my book's my baby.

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But you have to look at your book

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as

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if you wanna look at it as your

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baby, fine, but babies aren't ready to go

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out into the world when they're born. That's

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a really good point. Yes. Yeah. Right? True.

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Yeah. I see my students. It's not a

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baby. It's a book. Okay? Yeah. Yeah. It's

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not a baby. It's a book. Right. Realize

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that it's a book. It can be improved.

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There will be aspects that need working on,

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you know,

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to try to have that detachment. The sooner

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you get that, the the easier it will

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be for you to actually bring it to

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the the best that it can be because

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that's what editors are there for, isn't it?

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To punish Exactly. Or to bring out this

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your story.

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The the sooner you see it as a

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book, the sooner you become a professional author.

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I like that. That's going on Twitter, by

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the way. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. Also,

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the sooner you see it

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as a as a as a book, the

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sooner you can also realize that it's a

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business.

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There are aspects to, for example, cover design

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that your publisher knows

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because

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they understand what's selling right now. They understand

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color scheme. The they, you know, the professional

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designer,

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a designer which we have a superb one

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named Rehana Ismael.

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I do happen to know who that is,

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by the way. Thank you, Michelle. That's what

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I go for.

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Dear

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dear Rey.

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Oh,

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she

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served us all well. Bless her heart. She's

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just so awesome.

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Yes. So

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true. But,

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she she knows what she's doing and to

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to you know, if you have a specific

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cover design that just then then publisher tells

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you, for example, it just doesn't work for

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x, y, or z

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reason, you have to be open to that

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because you have to remember that it's a

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business and they have more experience in knowing

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what will sell. The goal is to sell

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the book. If the goal is for you

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to love the book, then make it a

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diary.

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If the goal is to sell the book,

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you know, be flexible in these, in these

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kind of things.

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And remember that most contracts will say,

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that the publisher has final

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artistic

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control over those things as well. So,

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so remember, if you're using a traditional publisher,

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you're entering you're entering into a realm where

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just like you go to the doctor, you

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wouldn't tell the doctor how to do his

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exam.

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You don't tell you don't, fight to the

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teeth. And I have personal experience in this

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because my first book,

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Sophia's journal, the publisher wanted to wanted to

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change the title,

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And she eventually got her way even though

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I fought, and you can fight. I'm not

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saying don't fight. I'm not saying don't, like,

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really hash it out. That's part of a

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good relationship is the ability to be able

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to hash these things out

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without hurt feelings.

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But

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but I did eventually give in and, I

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I eventually have the title that she wanted.

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And the reason she wanted the title that

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she wanted was so that young readers would

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know immediately that it was a time travel

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adventure.

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So the book that the title that she

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wanted was Sofia's journal

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colon

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time warp 18 57.

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Mhmm. And so in the first edition, it

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had that title. And later when,

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when

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I got the rights back and we and

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I and it was republished,

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I took that part off. I I went

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ahead and took that part off. So there

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can be

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there can be give and take in these

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things,

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but remember that

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what the publisher is giving

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is more than is more experience than you

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have. So just saying like that.

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The next one is okay. Are you ready

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for this?

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Everybody sit down.

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Because this one is

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come with an audience.

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Yes.

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Okay. Don't hear me say it right. Y'all

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hear me say it okay.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Bring it.

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I've been telling my people this. It's like

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they don't believe me. Carry on. Come on.

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Bring it. Yeah. Yeah. Here it comes. Here

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it comes. Come with your own

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audience.

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And this is something that I did not

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do when I was, you know, when I

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when I had my first book. None of

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us did. None of us did. None of

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us did. Anything about that. Wow. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And some of us have done a much

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better job of cultivating an audience in the

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interim. Like, you've done a much better job

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than I have. I will say right now,

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I'm weak.

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I'm weak in this department, and I'm and

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I'm I'm trying to up my game because

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I know that it's important. I know that

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it's important. Yeah. If you are familiar with

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the Salafi feminist, Zainab Bintiunis

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Yes.

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We're publishing a book for her this coming

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year.

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And one of the big selling books

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at selling points, and it's an awesome book.

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You guys are gonna love it. It's about

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the history of Muslim women. I know.

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And learning from them. Right?

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Yes. We worked with her on it. Yep.

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I cannot tell you

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what big what a big selling point it

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was that she already like, we knew her.

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Yeah. We knew her. She didn't come to

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us as JoBlow off the street. Yeah. She

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came to us as somebody that we knew

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on social from social media

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and who already had an audience on social

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media.

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And it really, really helps,

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it really helps you and it helps the

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it helps the publisher. This is a win

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win game changer

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if you already have an audience. So when

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you're thinking I wanna become a writer, I'm

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writing a book.

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Don't think I'm writing a book, tunnel vision

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book.

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Yes. Think I'm writing a book. I'm creating

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myself. I'm creating a brand. Yes. I'm creating

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Yes. My own

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I'm creating my own

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brand. I'm creating a brand. Yeah. So people

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are not gonna say, oh, necessarily, I want

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to read blah blah whatever book. They're gonna

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say, oh,

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so and so has a book out? Yeah.

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I have to read her book. She's cool

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on social media. I love her Insta.

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Yeah. You know,

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like

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Yeah. That's how you sell your book. Yeah.

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That's how you sell your book. Everything is

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social media. You know, like, in the old

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days, when it was the big five,

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publishers,

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they would put they would pour money into

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marketing campaigns

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for,

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for their authors, especially their big authors.

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And they would, you know, send you on

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book tours, and they would do billboards, and

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they would blah blah, magazines, and yadayadayada yada.

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Even they don't do that anymore. Yep. Unless

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you're Stephen King. On the a list. Yeah.

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Except for the authors. Yeah. Exactly.

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They do not do that. So don't sit

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there and think, oh, I went with this

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little indie publisher, and they're not, you know,

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like, no. No. No. They they don't do

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as much mark.

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Even the big houses don't do that anymore.

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Yeah.

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And the reason, because everything is democratized. There's

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social media. There's you know, like, you have

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so many avenues,

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opportunities,

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not responsibilities and the grudges. I mean, things

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the burdens that you have to bear. Opportunities.

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You have so many opportunities

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to market your book. Yeah. And the way

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you do that is set yourself up before

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you

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even send your book to the publisher.

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Hey. That's fine. Before you write word 1.

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Thank you. I think that's it's I I

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think I'm really excited about this this whole

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this this whole,

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group of sessions actually all to do with,

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you know, working with publishers and marketing, etcetera,

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because I think that this is information that

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we didn't have. You know? Nobody told us

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Yeah. About the whole the whole author journey

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or the writer's journey because I like to

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see it as sort of phase 1 and

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phase 2. So phase 1 Yeah. The creative

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process, and phase 2 is about finding that

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audience.

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It's about marketing. It's about selling. It's about

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building your brand. It's about earning the love

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and trust and loyalty of the people who

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will eventually read your book. So I'm so

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excited. I'm so excited. I think people are

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hearing stuff. All of you who are out

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there, this information is literally stuff that even

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some of us who've been in the industry

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for years

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are only clocking on to now. So if

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you

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get this information and you implement the things

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that we're telling you and take the time

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out to build what we're telling you to

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build, Insha'Allah, it's gonna you're going to see

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the effects of it, in the rest of

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the afternoon inshallah. I believe that. Jazakam Absolutely.

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Thank you so much. You'll be entering at

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you know, you'll you'll be entering at the

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halfway point. You know, like, you you you

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just can't imagine how much it saves you

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and how much

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yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, when we

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were coming up, there just wasn't anywhere to

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get this information.

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So this is like a treasure.

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You know, not not like I'm bragging on

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my own self, but, like, when I was

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coming up, what I wouldn't have given

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for

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somebody to tell us these ins and outs

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and these little

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these little business side things, you know, and

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to tell us that once the book is

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written, the work begins.

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Yes. It's like, oh, I'm done. Yay.

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Yes.

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Preach.

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Preach. That's what I'm trying to tell you.

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Okay. Carry on.

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Okay. So

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Okay. So once you've, like, signed on and

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you have a, and you have chosen a

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publisher or a publisher has,

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found you chosen you and found you like

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a great match, which by the way, I

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wanna throw something in here.

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And that is that if 850,000

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publishers

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reject you,

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don't even take it personally.

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Don't take it don't even say my book

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is not worth it.

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It's it's because my book isn't good enough.

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It's because whatever blah blah blah.

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I'm gonna tell you as a publisher,

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I have rejected books

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that

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I loved,

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that I was dedicated to seeing them publish.

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Like, I these this the world needs this

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book. It's important.

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It's well written. It's whatever, but it did

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not fit in my publishing calendar.

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My calendar for that space of time was

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already filled, or it didn't fit with our

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mission,

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or it didn't fit with whatever was going

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on at the time. There are so many

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other business y variables that are sitting on

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your head as a publisher

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that cause you to have to reject books

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for your company.

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That doesn't mean that you're rejecting the book

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as a piece of art or as a

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piece of work.

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Don't. Like, even,

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JK Rowling's

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Harry Potter was rejected 27 times.

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So

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it has nothing to do with the quality

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of your book if if you

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get rejected. I mean, it can, but not

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necessarily. If you've got a good polished work

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and you, you know, you've done your crossed

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your t's and dotted your i's,

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keep going. Keep going. Because as a publisher,

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it's broken my heart to reject some of

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the books I've had to reject because of

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business,

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you

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know, considerations.

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Remember that it costs

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an exorbitant amount of money to to publish

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a book, and so only so many can

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be published in a given publishing year.

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So if they are if, like, from my

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situation, like, I've had I just the other

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day, I had a good one, really good

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one come in, but we already had a

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book in that genre for this publishing year.

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Mhmm. So

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just be aware that those are the kind

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of things that publishers are considering. Publishers are

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not sitting on high going, I'll judge this

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book to spark.

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And then rejected. You know?

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They they they're not saying, you know, they're

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not sitting on high judging. They're really, really

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they really aren't.

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They're just,

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you know and if if you get, like,

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several rejections,

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ask for feedback.

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Ask for feedback. If they don't provide it

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in the rejection letter, which I always do,

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but if they don't,

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ask for ask for feedback. You know?

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Was it something in internal or do you

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have any idea how I can improve? Don't

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expect that they may have read the entire

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manuscript.

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But let's say you sent the first three

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chapters

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and they read or they'll tell you how

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much they read and just, you know, the

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what's the worst they can do? You know?

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Just not reply.

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Big deal. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Then you just

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keep going, plug on to the next.

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Okay. So the next,

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wonderful piece of advice I have is

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please, please, please

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communicate

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in the method that your publisher prefers.

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Don't say I can't get WhatsApp or I

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don't do email or I whatever.

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You know?

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If your publisher prefers like, we operate

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almost entirely on WhatsApp,

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and it's extremely difficult for me to deal

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with

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We have one we have one author. I

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have,

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had an experience with an author a while

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back, like, you know, a couple years ago

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who

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wouldn't communicate on WhatsApp

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and then also complained because I didn't answer

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her emails right away.

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Oh, right. So I'm like,

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I I don't operate best by email. I

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only check my email once a day. So

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if you want if you want an immediate

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response, you have to communicate the way I

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prefer to communicate.

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So,

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whatever your your publisher prefers,

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that's the way that you're going to get

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their attention. That's the way that you're going

00:26:44 --> 00:26:46

to engage them and get their responses.

00:26:47 --> 00:26:49

You know, so it's really important to be

00:26:49 --> 00:26:50

flexible about that.

00:26:52 --> 00:26:54

The next so now we're entering phase 2,

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which is okay. Now the work on the

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actual

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manuscript begins with the with the publisher.

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My first

00:27:04 --> 00:27:04

plea

00:27:05 --> 00:27:05

is

00:27:06 --> 00:27:07

enjoy the marketing.

00:27:08 --> 00:27:10

Enjoy it. Make it creative.

00:27:11 --> 00:27:12

Make it your make it a part of

00:27:12 --> 00:27:15

your baby. You know? Like, this is your

00:27:15 --> 00:27:16

baby in high school.

00:27:18 --> 00:27:21

Aw. You know? It's like, you have to

00:27:21 --> 00:27:23

you you don't, have those little sweet oh,

00:27:23 --> 00:27:25

you don't have those little sweet hugs anymore,

00:27:25 --> 00:27:27

and you have to drive them to, gymnastics

00:27:28 --> 00:27:29

and drive them to this and that, and

00:27:29 --> 00:27:31

I don't know what. And the role changes,

00:27:31 --> 00:27:34

but you still have that relationship, that core

00:27:34 --> 00:27:34

relationship.

00:27:35 --> 00:27:37

So enjoy the marketing. It's just another phase.

00:27:37 --> 00:27:39

Don't think of it as like, I wrote

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my book. My creative,

00:27:41 --> 00:27:42

process is over, and now I have to

00:27:42 --> 00:27:43

do this drudgery

00:27:44 --> 00:27:46

and stupid business side that I hate and

00:27:46 --> 00:27:47

blah blah blah.

00:27:47 --> 00:27:48

Change your perspective.

00:27:49 --> 00:27:52

Change your perspective into seeing marketing as something

00:27:52 --> 00:27:52

that's

00:27:53 --> 00:27:54

relationship building

00:27:54 --> 00:27:55

and,

00:27:56 --> 00:27:56

creative.

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And that way, you and your,

00:28:00 --> 00:28:03

you and your publisher both will have will

00:28:03 --> 00:28:05

be embarking on a successful,

00:28:06 --> 00:28:06

fun,

00:28:07 --> 00:28:08

phase of work

00:28:08 --> 00:28:10

rather than, you know, like, trying to pull

00:28:10 --> 00:28:11

teeth.

00:28:11 --> 00:28:12

Yeah. Yeah.

00:28:15 --> 00:28:18

We already talked about, thinking of yourself as

00:28:18 --> 00:28:21

a brand and billing, building your name.

00:28:22 --> 00:28:24

So building your name, guys,

00:28:24 --> 00:28:26

is not just your social media presence, which

00:28:26 --> 00:28:28

is kind of what I meant before when

00:28:28 --> 00:28:29

I was talking about it. You know, build

00:28:29 --> 00:28:31

your name, have a good social media presence.

00:28:31 --> 00:28:32

It also means

00:28:33 --> 00:28:34

write articles,

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join other,

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join other people in their endeavors,

00:28:40 --> 00:28:41

join the writing community,

00:28:42 --> 00:28:44

Be be a literary a citizen of the

00:28:44 --> 00:28:48

literary world. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So that

00:28:48 --> 00:28:49

people you can help others,

00:28:50 --> 00:28:52

public, you know, promote their work and they

00:28:52 --> 00:28:53

can help you promote your work and you

00:28:53 --> 00:28:55

have a place to go when you need

00:28:55 --> 00:28:57

help with something. And, you know, being a

00:28:57 --> 00:29:00

part of that world is the camaraderie that

00:29:00 --> 00:29:01

you miss as a as an author when

00:29:01 --> 00:29:03

you're sitting just behind the keyboard by yourself.

00:29:04 --> 00:29:04

And

00:29:05 --> 00:29:06

and it also,

00:29:07 --> 00:29:09

it also helps you to have, like, for

00:29:09 --> 00:29:10

example, a blog

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or,

00:29:12 --> 00:29:13

you know, any kind of way that you

00:29:13 --> 00:29:14

can participate

00:29:14 --> 00:29:17

in writing. It may be doing book reviews.

00:29:17 --> 00:29:19

It may be, you know, writing articles for

00:29:19 --> 00:29:22

Muslim matters or another outlet. It may be

00:29:24 --> 00:29:25

blogging, whatever.

00:29:25 --> 00:29:28

But especially the blogging community, they also have

00:29:28 --> 00:29:29

a really good community,

00:29:30 --> 00:29:32

sense of community. They do blog tours where

00:29:32 --> 00:29:34

they link to each other's blogs, they interview

00:29:34 --> 00:29:36

each other, they promote each other really, really

00:29:36 --> 00:29:37

well.

00:29:37 --> 00:29:39

So and your blog doesn't even have to

00:29:39 --> 00:29:41

be about your book or about writing. It

00:29:41 --> 00:29:44

can be about something totally different. Like, you

00:29:44 --> 00:29:45

could be, for example,

00:29:45 --> 00:29:47

somebody who likes to do crochet and knitting,

00:29:47 --> 00:29:48

and you have a blog about that.

00:29:49 --> 00:29:50

A, you're getting writing experience,

00:29:51 --> 00:29:53

and, b, you have plugged yourself into a

00:29:53 --> 00:29:55

brand new audience for your book

00:29:55 --> 00:29:58

that wouldn't necessarily normally hear about it. So

00:29:59 --> 00:30:01

even if you have another interest, blog about

00:30:01 --> 00:30:02

that interest, and then when your book comes

00:30:02 --> 00:30:04

out, you'll be like, yo, crocheters.

00:30:05 --> 00:30:07

I wrote a book. Check it out. And

00:30:07 --> 00:30:09

you have like a whole new universe open

00:30:09 --> 00:30:11

to you. Yeah.

00:30:11 --> 00:30:12

Lovely. So,

00:30:13 --> 00:30:16

yeah. So keep yourself out there and join

00:30:16 --> 00:30:17

hands with your sisters.

00:30:20 --> 00:30:21

Okay. So,

00:30:21 --> 00:30:23

when when it also comes to marketing,

00:30:24 --> 00:30:24

these the

00:30:25 --> 00:30:27

these kind of blog tours and things like

00:30:27 --> 00:30:28

that,

00:30:29 --> 00:30:30

also presentations,

00:30:31 --> 00:30:34

school visits, those kind of things, those are

00:30:34 --> 00:30:35

going to be

00:30:35 --> 00:30:37

not just not just okay.

00:30:38 --> 00:30:40

Let me correct my verbiage.

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They will be necessary

00:30:43 --> 00:30:46

and expected of you from your publisher,

00:30:47 --> 00:30:49

and they will be

00:30:50 --> 00:30:51

golden opportunities

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to

00:30:52 --> 00:30:54

connect your book to people.

00:30:56 --> 00:30:58

But nobody wants to hear you come in

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and read 2 pages and then sign your

00:31:00 --> 00:31:02

book and sell your book.

00:31:03 --> 00:31:05

That's, like, so 19 forties.

00:31:10 --> 00:31:12

It's you have to offer

00:31:13 --> 00:31:17

something to them. Of value. Yes. Yeah. Something

00:31:17 --> 00:31:19

of value, like, value added. Yeah. You have

00:31:19 --> 00:31:20

to you have to interact with them in

00:31:20 --> 00:31:24

a genuine way. Yeah. So, like, for example,

00:31:24 --> 00:31:26

Tayba, she has her book blessed bananas,

00:31:26 --> 00:31:28

and it's a children's story book. And when

00:31:28 --> 00:31:30

she goes to school, she doesn't just go,

00:31:30 --> 00:31:32

look, I'm gonna read my book.

00:31:32 --> 00:31:33

She has a puppet show.

00:31:34 --> 00:31:37

And she does her puppet show and she

00:31:37 --> 00:31:39

interacts with the teachers and the students in

00:31:39 --> 00:31:40

a way that

00:31:40 --> 00:31:43

really enamors them to the book and gets

00:31:43 --> 00:31:45

lets them get to know her, right, as

00:31:45 --> 00:31:48

a person. Yeah. Right? And that's invaluable for

00:31:48 --> 00:31:50

kids coming up too, that they know an

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

author. Yes. Especially with,

00:31:53 --> 00:31:55

I'm gonna say it, especially with all the

00:31:55 --> 00:31:56

stem emphasis,

00:31:56 --> 00:31:58

the humanities are getting left behind. We got

00:31:58 --> 00:32:00

we got steam. We gotta get steam, not

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

stem.

00:32:02 --> 00:32:05

Because we're we're raising a generation that doesn't

00:32:05 --> 00:32:07

know history, doesn't know,

00:32:08 --> 00:32:09

you know, doesn't have a creative

00:32:10 --> 00:32:11

event, doesn't have that

00:32:12 --> 00:32:13

ability to connect on a human level.

00:32:14 --> 00:32:15

Okay. Yeah.

00:32:15 --> 00:32:17

Enough soapbox. Okay. So,

00:32:19 --> 00:32:19

anyway,

00:32:19 --> 00:32:21

it's important for kids for the audience, and

00:32:21 --> 00:32:23

it's important for you that you give them

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

something that they need. Yeah. So,

00:32:26 --> 00:32:28

say that you have a book that's for

00:32:29 --> 00:32:31

that's for students, you could offer along with

00:32:31 --> 00:32:33

it a writing workshop, which is what I

00:32:33 --> 00:32:35

do. Yeah. Or you could write offer and

00:32:35 --> 00:32:38

does those as well. You can offer along

00:32:38 --> 00:32:39

with it training for teachers.

00:32:39 --> 00:32:40

Yes.

00:32:41 --> 00:32:43

What I like to do with Sofia's journal,

00:32:43 --> 00:32:45

this has been my dream, and I'm just

00:32:45 --> 00:32:45

now

00:32:46 --> 00:32:48

in a position where I can start to

00:32:48 --> 00:32:49

make that dream happen next year

00:32:50 --> 00:32:51

is to offer,

00:32:52 --> 00:32:53

you know, like, Sophia's journal

00:32:54 --> 00:32:56

as, you know, like, an author visit, but

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

also do a teacher training

00:32:58 --> 00:33:01

about teaching Islam in the public schools.

00:33:01 --> 00:33:01

Nice.

00:33:02 --> 00:33:03

So,

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

so there are all kind of different ways.

00:33:05 --> 00:33:08

Just think about what your what is the

00:33:08 --> 00:33:10

subject of your book and what interests you.

00:33:10 --> 00:33:11

And it's not just for schools. You need

00:33:11 --> 00:33:13

to do that even if you go

00:33:13 --> 00:33:15

to a university or even if you go

00:33:15 --> 00:33:17

to another venue. Sometimes a bookstore,

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

they'll be okay with a reading. Although, even

00:33:20 --> 00:33:23

they would appreciate something else. Yeah. That's fine.

00:33:23 --> 00:33:24

Yeah. Do what you can. And make sure

00:33:24 --> 00:33:26

that you kind of tailor each one to

00:33:26 --> 00:33:29

whatever the to whatever the audience is, you

00:33:29 --> 00:33:29

know.

00:33:30 --> 00:33:32

Make sure that you ask ahead of time,

00:33:33 --> 00:33:35

You know, will there be youth in the

00:33:35 --> 00:33:36

audience? Will there be kids in the audience?

00:33:36 --> 00:33:38

What's your usual number of audience? You know,

00:33:38 --> 00:33:39

so that you kind of

00:33:40 --> 00:33:42

pardon me, so that you can you can

00:33:42 --> 00:33:43

really fulfill

00:33:44 --> 00:33:45

your role as

00:33:46 --> 00:33:48

not just somebody who has a book, but

00:33:48 --> 00:33:50

somebody who's a role model and somebody who

00:33:50 --> 00:33:52

has somebody who can help them with something

00:33:52 --> 00:33:54

they need help with. Yeah.

00:33:59 --> 00:34:00

Also remember

00:34:01 --> 00:34:02

that your publisher

00:34:03 --> 00:34:06

has spent lots of time and tons of

00:34:06 --> 00:34:06

money

00:34:06 --> 00:34:08

on publishing your book.

00:34:08 --> 00:34:09

And so

00:34:10 --> 00:34:12

marketing is a part of that bargain.

00:34:13 --> 00:34:15

If you self publish, of course, you know

00:34:15 --> 00:34:17

you have to market yourself. But but if

00:34:17 --> 00:34:20

you publish with the traditional pub press, especially

00:34:20 --> 00:34:22

a small indie press, especially even a big

00:34:22 --> 00:34:23

house if you're

00:34:24 --> 00:34:25

a small, you know, like a a an

00:34:25 --> 00:34:26

emerging writer,

00:34:27 --> 00:34:30

You need to understand that that is that's

00:34:30 --> 00:34:31

an amenity.

00:34:32 --> 00:34:34

That's a commitment. And that's another thing that

00:34:34 --> 00:34:36

I didn't understand when I first published when

00:34:36 --> 00:34:38

I first published, I lived in Syria and

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

there was hardly any Internet and there was,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:42

you know, in especially in Syria, there was,

00:34:42 --> 00:34:45

like, legit hardly any any Internet.

00:34:46 --> 00:34:48

And so I missed that train,

00:34:48 --> 00:34:51

and my publisher was frustrated with me and

00:34:51 --> 00:34:53

expressed that frustration because, like, then I went

00:34:53 --> 00:34:54

back to the states, and I still was

00:34:54 --> 00:34:56

like, I don't know what to do. You

00:34:56 --> 00:34:59

know? Because there was no information.

00:35:00 --> 00:35:00

So,

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

now I'm seeing that from the other side

00:35:03 --> 00:35:05

as the publisher, and I'm doing my best

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

as a publisher to help with that and

00:35:07 --> 00:35:09

to provide ideas and to provide, you know,

00:35:10 --> 00:35:12

but just remember that if you sign on

00:35:12 --> 00:35:14

with the publisher, that doesn't mean, yay, I've

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

signed somebody to do a service for me.

00:35:17 --> 00:35:19

That's not what that means. It means, yay,

00:35:19 --> 00:35:22

I've signed up and created a partnership in

00:35:22 --> 00:35:22

work.

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

So yeah. So just remember,

00:35:26 --> 00:35:28

just remember that. And,

00:35:28 --> 00:35:31

my my sincerest sincerest apologies

00:35:32 --> 00:35:34

to my dad, Linda Delgado

00:35:34 --> 00:35:36

of Muslim Writers Publishing before,

00:35:37 --> 00:35:39

for not being able to carry my end

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

of the bargain marketing wise in the beginning.

00:35:44 --> 00:35:47

Okay. So now let's flip it and see

00:35:47 --> 00:35:48

a couple of things that publishers can do

00:35:48 --> 00:35:51

and things that you can request or expect

00:35:51 --> 00:35:53

expect. And if you don't get request from

00:35:53 --> 00:35:54

your publisher,

00:35:54 --> 00:35:56

if you're an author that's just signed on

00:35:56 --> 00:35:59

with someone. The first one is good communication

00:35:59 --> 00:36:00

and updates.

00:36:01 --> 00:36:01

And,

00:36:02 --> 00:36:03

I will be the first to admit that

00:36:03 --> 00:36:05

in the early years of of Daybreak,

00:36:07 --> 00:36:10

we we were so we were so frantically

00:36:10 --> 00:36:11

learning

00:36:11 --> 00:36:12

the ropes.

00:36:12 --> 00:36:13

And so,

00:36:14 --> 00:36:16

on such tight deadlines

00:36:16 --> 00:36:18

that updates did were not forthcoming in the

00:36:18 --> 00:36:20

way that they should have been. But we

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

are absolutely

00:36:22 --> 00:36:24

dedicated now to, you know, to that. It's

00:36:24 --> 00:36:27

so so so so important. You know, like,

00:36:27 --> 00:36:28

if you think of your book as your

00:36:28 --> 00:36:30

baby or even your book, you just you

00:36:30 --> 00:36:32

don't want it to just be out there

00:36:32 --> 00:36:34

in the ether somewhere and you don't know

00:36:34 --> 00:36:35

what's going on.

00:36:35 --> 00:36:37

So updates and good communication.

00:36:39 --> 00:36:41

Number 2 is collaboration on things that are

00:36:41 --> 00:36:42

important to

00:36:43 --> 00:36:44

you. So if there is a specific,

00:36:45 --> 00:36:48

concept for cover or title or

00:36:49 --> 00:36:50

passage in the book or whatever,

00:36:51 --> 00:36:53

expect collaboration. It's not

00:36:53 --> 00:36:54

a publisher dictatorship,

00:36:56 --> 00:36:58

but, if you have to have that. You

00:36:58 --> 00:36:59

have to have that back and forth.

00:37:00 --> 00:37:03

Your publisher may ultimately insist, but at least

00:37:03 --> 00:37:05

you should feel a 100% comfortable to bring

00:37:05 --> 00:37:07

any topic to your publisher whatsoever.

00:37:08 --> 00:37:11

Any any question, any request, any anything,

00:37:12 --> 00:37:14

you know, it should be it should be

00:37:14 --> 00:37:15

a a mutual.

00:37:16 --> 00:37:18

You have a mutual goal. You should be

00:37:18 --> 00:37:20

working together side by side to reach that

00:37:20 --> 00:37:21

goal.

00:37:23 --> 00:37:26

And the third one is what we are

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

first, what we are getting nowadays. And actually,

00:37:28 --> 00:37:30

I wanna put in here that that part

00:37:30 --> 00:37:31

about my title,

00:37:33 --> 00:37:35

because there really wasn't any back and forth

00:37:35 --> 00:37:36

about that. It was, you know, it was

00:37:36 --> 00:37:38

like this is we have to have this

00:37:38 --> 00:37:38

period.

00:37:39 --> 00:37:39

And

00:37:41 --> 00:37:43

and I, you know, like to this day,

00:37:43 --> 00:37:45

I think that that did a disservice. Does

00:37:45 --> 00:37:47

that mean I'm ungrateful to the publisher? Oh,

00:37:47 --> 00:37:48

my goodness. No.

00:37:48 --> 00:37:50

You know, she took that on. She took

00:37:50 --> 00:37:52

the project. She saw the value in the

00:37:52 --> 00:37:54

book. She auditioned all of that work. Of

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

course, we had this one disagreement,

00:37:57 --> 00:37:57

and

00:37:58 --> 00:37:59

that that's okay.

00:38:00 --> 00:38:02

That doesn't have to ruin the relationship.

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

You know, like, I don't hate her. I

00:38:04 --> 00:38:05

just hate that title.

00:38:06 --> 00:38:07

Right? So,

00:38:10 --> 00:38:11

yeah. So the third thing that we're provide

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

that we're beginning to provide now and that

00:38:14 --> 00:38:15

I'm so

00:38:15 --> 00:38:18

I I feel so blessed to be able

00:38:18 --> 00:38:19

to provide this. And Tayba is working closely

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

with us on this. She's heading up this

00:38:21 --> 00:38:23

project or this part of the project

00:38:26 --> 00:38:27

is author coaching.

00:38:28 --> 00:38:31

I'm so I feel so blessed to be

00:38:31 --> 00:38:33

a publisher that will offer author coaching for

00:38:33 --> 00:38:34

marketing.

00:38:34 --> 00:38:35

Because

00:38:36 --> 00:38:38

as far as I know,

00:38:39 --> 00:38:40

no one else does.

00:38:41 --> 00:38:42

And if there are, there there are very

00:38:42 --> 00:38:44

few. Because, like, I know authors who have

00:38:44 --> 00:38:46

had personal experiences with other publishers

00:38:47 --> 00:38:49

and they get like the book is published

00:38:50 --> 00:38:51

the end.

00:38:51 --> 00:38:53

Wow. Yeah. Like, yeah, there are some people

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

that are in the business just to publish

00:38:55 --> 00:38:56

that book and then,

00:38:57 --> 00:38:58

you know, all the rest of it is

00:38:58 --> 00:38:59

on you. So,

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

make sure that you talk to your publisher

00:39:03 --> 00:39:05

about that going in as well. That's a

00:39:05 --> 00:39:07

good one. Really important. I know it kinda

00:39:07 --> 00:39:09

slid in here as like an after thought,

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

but it's really important, so don't let it

00:39:11 --> 00:39:13

slide by your brains y'all. Write it down.

00:39:14 --> 00:39:16

Make sure that your pub what your publisher

00:39:16 --> 00:39:18

look at your contract. Read your contract. Read

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

your contract. Read your contract. Read your

00:39:21 --> 00:39:21

contract.

00:39:22 --> 00:39:24

Read your contract. Find out what is your

00:39:24 --> 00:39:27

publisher willing to commit to the marketing, and

00:39:27 --> 00:39:28

what do they expect from you

00:39:29 --> 00:39:31

from the you know, in the marketing department.

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We're we're going to have a WhatsApp thread

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with all of our all of our authors,

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and we will have 1 on 1 contact

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with our authors to,

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you know, to give ideas and to work

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on getting things published

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or sorry. Getting things marketed in a way

00:39:48 --> 00:39:50

that's the easiest for the author and the

00:39:50 --> 00:39:52

way that gets the most

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promotion going. And,

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I'm really excited about offering this as part

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of our service.

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So,

00:40:03 --> 00:40:04

yeah. So

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I I really feel

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that the core of publishing

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in all of its facets is relationships.

00:40:15 --> 00:40:16

Yeah.

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Yeah. You don't see that when you have

00:40:18 --> 00:40:20

the book in your hand. Mhmm.

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You don't think about that when you're thinking

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I'm gonna write a book.

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But that's what it is. It's all about

00:40:26 --> 00:40:28

your relationship with your publisher, your relationship with

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your readers, your relationship with your, your sister

00:40:32 --> 00:40:34

writers, and the whole community of the whole

00:40:34 --> 00:40:37

literary community. Men men, girl, men, women. Oh

00:40:37 --> 00:40:38

my god. Did you see what I just

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did?

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Not men.

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Girls. Men and girls.

00:40:46 --> 00:40:48

Not your community. Remember, you only publish

00:40:49 --> 00:40:51

books by women. Yes. Our community, we only

00:40:51 --> 00:40:53

publish books by women. Yeah. But I mean,

00:40:53 --> 00:40:54

you but that doesn't mean you don't have

00:40:54 --> 00:40:56

to be a member of that larger literary

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community.

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That includes men and includes secular publishers.

00:41:00 --> 00:41:03

You know, go to, go to conferences. Yeah.

00:41:03 --> 00:41:05

Go to, you know, meet, mingle with the

00:41:05 --> 00:41:05

people.

00:41:06 --> 00:41:07

Don't sit on a, you know, on a

00:41:07 --> 00:41:10

throne and say, well, those are non Muslims

00:41:10 --> 00:41:11

or those are men or those are whatever.

00:41:11 --> 00:41:13

Yeah. Yeah. No. No. Be a part of

00:41:13 --> 00:41:16

that community because that's where that's where a

00:41:16 --> 00:41:17

lot of the Dawah comes in.

00:41:17 --> 00:41:19

Your your Dawah as a writer is not

00:41:19 --> 00:41:21

just the book that you put out. It's

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

also all of the interactions that you have

00:41:23 --> 00:41:24

with,

00:41:24 --> 00:41:27

non Muslim and Muslim writers out there.

00:41:27 --> 00:41:30

You're you're carrying that message of Muslim Muslims

00:41:30 --> 00:41:31

as creative, normal,

00:41:34 --> 00:41:37

contributing members of society who are fun and

00:41:37 --> 00:41:40

love their work and are supportive of others.

00:41:41 --> 00:41:42

So

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so there you go. So keep up your

00:41:44 --> 00:41:46

relationships on all fronts

00:41:47 --> 00:41:50

starting with before you write word 1. And

00:41:50 --> 00:41:52

if you're already written, no. It's not too

00:41:52 --> 00:41:55

late. Ladies and gentlemen and ladies, ladies,

00:41:55 --> 00:41:56

ladies,

00:41:56 --> 00:41:56

I

00:41:57 --> 00:41:59

my fur my book was first published in

00:41:59 --> 00:42:00

2008,

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and I'm I've been spending my interim time

00:42:02 --> 00:42:05

publishing others' books. And this year, I'm dedicated

00:42:05 --> 00:42:08

to getting another book out and getting my

00:42:08 --> 00:42:11

my my my social media and my,

00:42:11 --> 00:42:13

articles and my enter contest. Oh, yeah. Don't

00:42:13 --> 00:42:16

forget enter contest too. Enter contest. Ask your

00:42:16 --> 00:42:18

publisher to enter your book into contests

00:42:18 --> 00:42:21

and ask you and and yourself enter into,

00:42:21 --> 00:42:23

like, essay contest or whatever. I'm doing one

00:42:23 --> 00:42:25

for talking writing right now. You guys talking

00:42:25 --> 00:42:26

writing is having a

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

they're a a literary journal, and they're having

00:42:29 --> 00:42:31

an essay contest about home. The theme is

00:42:31 --> 00:42:34

home. And the deadline isn't till October, so

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

jump on it. We'll put the link in

00:42:35 --> 00:42:39

the description Insha'Allah. Definitely. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah. Well,

00:42:39 --> 00:42:41

I just think that it's been so, so

00:42:41 --> 00:42:44

beneficial for us to get the the other

00:42:44 --> 00:42:45

side of the story if you like, you

00:42:45 --> 00:42:48

know, especially from a more traditional publisher.

00:42:49 --> 00:42:50

And a lot of what you mentioned, you

00:42:50 --> 00:42:51

know,

00:42:51 --> 00:42:53

you know, some things have been mentioned, some

00:42:53 --> 00:42:55

things are gonna be new to people,

00:42:56 --> 00:42:58

but I totally, like, I'm I'm with you

00:42:58 --> 00:43:00

and I'm just, like, cosigning on every point

00:43:00 --> 00:43:01

of time,

00:43:02 --> 00:43:05

especially about the collaborating, especially about the platform

00:43:05 --> 00:43:05

building,

00:43:06 --> 00:43:08

especially about the not seeing your book as

00:43:08 --> 00:43:10

a baby. Like, I'm just with your girl.

00:43:10 --> 00:43:10

Okay?

00:43:11 --> 00:43:12

So

00:43:12 --> 00:43:15

we're gonna have links for Daybreak Press, in

00:43:15 --> 00:43:16

the description of this talk,

00:43:17 --> 00:43:18

and any other goodies. I'm sure you've got

00:43:18 --> 00:43:20

more goodies for our listeners, so those links

00:43:20 --> 00:43:22

will be there. Your bio will be there.

00:43:23 --> 00:43:24

And I and I think I have to

00:43:24 --> 00:43:27

remind all the listeners that when you do

00:43:27 --> 00:43:29

go and follow that link to the Daybreak

00:43:29 --> 00:43:31

Press website, remember,

00:43:31 --> 00:43:33

you are not allowed to go to the

00:43:33 --> 00:43:34

submission guidelines.

00:43:34 --> 00:43:36

You have to go through the whole website

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

to see what kind of books they're publishing,

00:43:39 --> 00:43:41

who are they publishing, what kind of topics

00:43:41 --> 00:43:43

do they seem to be interested in, what

00:43:43 --> 00:43:44

do they say about themselves

00:43:45 --> 00:43:47

before you go to check out the submission

00:43:47 --> 00:43:48

guidelines, Insha'Allah.

00:43:49 --> 00:43:50

Amen.

00:43:51 --> 00:43:53

Sister Nadia, it's been an absolute pleasure

00:43:54 --> 00:43:56

for joining us and teaching us and preaching

00:43:56 --> 00:43:58

to us. I'm so glad we're able to

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

to do this. And here's to many, many

00:44:01 --> 00:44:02

more collaborations

00:44:03 --> 00:44:04

across all fronts

00:44:05 --> 00:44:06

for the sake of

00:44:07 --> 00:44:09

Amin Amin to that.

00:44:11 --> 00:44:12

And both, I really, really appreciate

00:44:13 --> 00:44:15

everything that you do, Naima. I follow you

00:44:15 --> 00:44:18

closely on your wonderful platform that you created.

00:44:19 --> 00:44:20

And,

00:44:20 --> 00:44:23

I really I really appreciate the services and

00:44:23 --> 00:44:25

support that you're providing for writers, and I'm

00:44:25 --> 00:44:27

so happy to be a part of this.

00:44:27 --> 00:44:29

May Allah accept all our efforts.

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