Nadim Bashir – Kaleemullah #05 – The Etiquettes of Gender Interactions in Islam

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			salam Wa alaykum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh Mr. Aloha no 100 elektrobit alameen wa Salatu was Salam
ala Rasulillah Muhammad wa ala alihi wa sahbihi. Germaine and my brother, welcome to another segment
of Cunnamulla, where we go through the lessons and reflections taken from the story of Musa alayhis
salam. Now without going into a lot of details about where we are, we are at the point where Allah
subhanho wa Taala says about Musa alayhis salam that he has traveled now for several weeks. And he
is now in Medina and, and he goes there. And there's of course, he sees two women, he helps them
out. In short, they come back, they say to Mousavi, Islam that our father is calling you. He wants
		

			to reward you for your hard efforts and for your work and your assistance. And he comes to this man,
and this man provides an opportunity of employment to Musa alayhis salam, he accepts the terms. And
he not only not only does he accept, accept the terms, and he accepts the job, but he also marries
one of the daughters of this man. And then he lives in Medina and for 10 years. So this is what the
Quran has mentioned. In short, I just mentioned, the question is, let's get straight into what are
some of the lessons and reflections learn from the story? First of all, I must say that this part of
the story really teaches us about how do we interact with the opposite gender, and inshallah we'll
		

			mention several things. The very first thing that first lesson and reflection that we can take from
the story
		

			is that Musala gets stomped, he has traveled for some weeks, and he has now ended up in this place
by the end, he has no money, he has no place to live. He needs all the help in the world. He's a
stranger, he doesn't have any food to eat either. But what Musa ism does is that when he sees
someone else who is in need of help, he goes and he provides him and he provides help, and he lends
a hand. What we learned from this is that a Muslim, no matter what situation we are in, even though
we may need help in our life, and we may need other people to help us out. But we should always be a
person that when we see someone who is in need of help, we should go out of our way to help someone
		

			else out as much as we can. We learn this even from Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, without
going into the story so much. The man A man came to the Prophet salallahu it he was setting up the
Prophet it is Psalm is sitting inside the masjid, he's making dua to Allah subhanho wa taala. He's
engaged in his own worship and everybody that a man comes to him and this is a time when there is so
much opposition against the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, and against his mission. And a man
comes to me and says, that such and such Qureshi leader took my money, and he has done injustice
with me. Now the Prophet SAW Allah why Islam could have said that, you know, man, my friend, I need
		

			help myself. You need to go to someone else to get your help for yourself. That's not who the
Prophet alayhi salam was, that's not what he did. He knowing the situation even though he needs
help, but he understands that this man is also in need of help. Let me go out of my way and let me
help him too. And the Prophet SAW Allah some he helped him and the value son was so sick was so
selfless, and he was on selfish at all, when even helping him out after helping this person. The
Prophet sallallahu is some did not even enforce Dawa upon him he never said to him, now that I've
helped you now that you have to convert to Islam know, that prophesized Saddam was this helping
		

			nature. So this is why part of being a believer is that no matter how much help I need in my life,
and I need the assistance for other people, but when I see someone else who is in need, I should
always step forward and help someone else out and inshallah when we do, Allah subhanho wa Taala will
help us that's the very first thing that we learn from this story. Now, coming to the gender
interaction part, this is extremely important to understand, because today we have our own
interpretation of gender interaction, we have our own explanation of gender interaction. So let's
try to get into this first. The very first thing that we learned is that the Quran says, Well, what
		

			did that mean? Dooney Iman Murata you need to do then he moves on to use some saw that there were
two women there were standing apart there were standing apart now they're all Amma dimension, that
the reason there were standing apart is because when they are closer to the men, they are harassed.
And that could be that could be an explanation, at the same time from a spirit from a purely
		

			modesty perspective, what we learn is that when it comes to men and women, even when it comes to men
and women interacting with each other, there has to be an acceptable amount of space between the man
and the woman. Now, of course, in our day and age, you know, things at that time were very
different, even today there are different, but still, that does not mean that even if we are
interacting, then we have to be very, very close to each other. There has to be an acceptable amount
of distance, when we are even talking to the opposite gender. And we see this from those women. The
next thing that we learn is from the story is that Musa alayhis salam approached them, he said, All
		

			of mahato bukhoma, what is your situation here? And the reason he's asking that question is because
here he sees so many men, and logically speaking, and naturally speaking, is supposed to be the men
from their household who should be here taking care of their animals. That's not the case here. What
he sees is that there are two women. So he says, What is going on? What do we learn from this? First
of all, what we learn from this is brothers and sisters, is that it is absolutely there's nothing
wrong with a man and a woman talking to each other and interacting with each other. You know, see,
one of the biggest problems that today we have is that we have either a very unrealistic approach to
		

			gender interaction, as I said earlier, or we have not even taught our children about what is gender
interaction. So because of this, our kids fall into a predicament, they fall into a dilemma, they
have no idea. If the parents have not taught their children how to apply higher in modesty, when
you're interacting with the opposite gender, then they're not going to have any higher in their
life, they're always going to go, and they're going to be very, you know, they're going to be very
open in the sense that they're not going to apply any rules and laws of HIA and modesty in their
approach that's wrong to begin with. At the same time, when parents put unrealistic expectations,
		

			they make up their own rules when it comes to higher and modesty. And they placed those expectations
on their children. And those children, they understand that these rules and these laws cannot be
applicable in our times in our society, the way our society has been constructed, then what happens
is that either there or not, is there either there's going to be no HIA. Or they're going to be so
socially awkward, that they cannot even have a natural or a normal conversation with the opposite
gender, and SubhanAllah. I'm not I'm not sugarcoating this, I'm telling you, honestly, that today's
Subhanallah, we have so many boys of our Muslim community, that do not even have the confidence of
		

			talking to someone of the opposite gender, when they go to work down the road, and they have
employment and they're working, you know, normal jobs, they might become a doctor and so forth. You
need to know how to interact with the opposite gender. But in the most modest way, today, we're not
teaching that to our children, or we're giving them a you know, a very skewed version of what HYAH
and modesty are, what gender interaction means. So this is very important to teach our kids the
right meaning the right understanding of what higher and modesty is, and what and how do you
interact with the opposite gender, closing them off completely is not the right way. Not educating
		

			them is also not the right way. Our Deen has taught us a balance. So that is the next thing that
there is nothing wrong and interacting with the opposite gender, as long as we do it, applying the
laws and the standards of higher and modesty that is taught to us in the Quran and the Sunnah of
Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa sallam. The next thing that we learn from the story is that these
women are coming, and they're working in sort of a what you want to call it a hostile environment.
And, you know, in some of the books, they mentioned, that the men they could you know, long time
ago, even at that time, even till today, we find in many cases, that men can harass and sometimes
		

			sexually harass women and so forth. And so these women are standing away. So what we see is that
women coming and working in a hostile environment, because when they were asked why they said, What
a buena shakin, Kabir, our father is extremely old, and he does not have the physical capacity to
come and help us or, you know, to do this job. What we learn from this is brothers and sisters is
that if women because there's a dire situation in their family, and they need to go and work, or
even if there is not a dire situation in their family, and they want to go into work, there's
absolutely nothing wrong for a woman to go and work and to have a job. Once again. The rules are
		

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			She has to apply the laws of hire and modesty, she has to apply the rules and the standards of
gender interaction set by our dean. If she does that there's absolutely nothing wrong. In fact, even
if she has to work in a hostile environment, and a hostile environment, you know, once again, that
comes to every single individual person, some people, they do not want to work in a hostile
environment, and that's absolutely fine. And some people, they have no choice but to work in a
hostile environment. And if they can cope with it, and they can deal with it, then fine, no problem.
And there's nothing wrong in working in that kind of situation. In fact, in America, we see that,
		

			you know, you know, when there is a certain type of harassment against a woman, then she can file a
complaint and in, you know, in HR, and so forth. And to be truly honest, our Muslim countries are
much worse than this. I mean, I'm not saying every single person, every single Muslim country, but
across the board, or Muslim countries are not really great at this. There's so much harassment
against women, that takes place there. So once again, if a woman needs to work in a hostile
environment, and she's absolutely fine with it, and she needs to work, there's absolutely nothing
wrong with it. Today, we have this, you know, this misconception that people are spreading, that it
		

			is haram for women to go and work was the Delete for that there is nothing wrong for a woman to go
and work if she wants to work. There's nothing wrong with that. Then now the next thing that we
learned also is that when Musa Islam went and he was conversing with them, they he asked a simple
question, what is going on here? He asked a very direct question. And they gave a very respectful,
polite answer to Musala Islam. What do we learn from this? When two people are talking of the
opposite gender, one of the key rules of gender interaction is that you talk about the business or
you talk about the specific matter and move on. See, the Quran tells us that when it comes to men
		

			and women, Allah subhanaw taala actually instructs the women he says Falletta Hello, I'm Bill Cole,
for Yakama I love if he called the model don't work with Nicola Maru for the Quran tells us that
when it comes to men and women that they should, especially the women, that they should not be
flirtatious in their talk, you know, a lot of times you ask a question, and they start giggling, or
they start, you know, they start acting in a very awkward way. Sometimes this happens to men also,
you know, they become, you know, they freeze all of a sudden. So what's important to understand is
that, you know, when two people of the opposite gender are talking to each other, first of all, you
		

			should be respectful. You know, unfortunately, for some reason, we find that, you know, when this is
taught to many girls that you should give you should be very direct, they become very rude, they
become very disrespectful, they're talking in a very, you know, in a very rude way. That's not what
our Dean has taught us, you can be firm and you can be polite at the same time. Today, many of us
are taught that if you are firm, then you have to be disrespectful and rude, firm and disrespectful
are two different things, you can be firm and you can give a direct answer and you can also be
respectful and you can also be polite, there is you know, they can go hand in hand. So what we need
		

			to understand is that when it comes to gender interaction, then we talk to each other about the
business and about that and we move on there is no need to have any kind of flirtatious talk amongst
amongst the two. Then we also find Musa alayhis salam he makes a very beautiful dua that you know, I
want everyone to memorize this do if they can. When Musa lays some he helps these two women out he
goes and he sits underneath the tree. The DUA that he makes is Yeah, rugby in Neelima and Zelda Ilya
min how you didn't forget that Oh Allah, whatever. I you know, truly I'm in need. So whatever good
you sent me bestow that upon me. So this is a dua the Musala is some is making. Now this has two
		

			meanings. The One meaning is, as many of us we understand this dua is that Oh Allah, whatever, hey,
that you sent upon me, even it may be small, oh Allah give that to me. That's a good that's there's
I mean, that's the right understanding. But there's also another understanding of this dua, and that
is, the Musa lism understands that he has, you know, he is considered as a criminal in Egypt. He
accidentally killed a man and he has fled, you know, he has fled from from, you know, from that
country, and now he's here. He understands that he has done wrong. He understands that he has made
Toba to Allah subhanho wa taala. But he wants to always find ways to overcome and make up for the
		

			wrong that he has done. So he's making dua to Allah, Oh Allah, if there's any opportunity that I can
do good to make up for the wrong that I have done. Oh Allah grant me those opportunities. Here. He's
saying to Allah subhanaw taala that you gave me the opportunity to help these two women out
		

			out, Oh Allah grant me more opportunities to. So there are two meanings to this dua. But you know,
one thing that we learned also is that in Ibaka Thea a malleability. Rahmatullah lay in his stuff
see it? He has quoted a five minute save Rahmatullah. I lay by saying that this is a very beautiful
DUA of Musa alayhis salam. And this is a very comprehensive DUA of Musa alayhis salam. And not only
that, but Musa is some he makes his dua and what Allah gave him in return, Allah subhanho wa Taala
gave him a job, Allah Subhana Allah gave him a house, Allah Subhan Allah gave him a wife, Allah
Subhan Allah gave him a family. So this one dua the Musa lay some he met Allah subhanho wa Taala he
		

			gave him all these things today Subhanallah you know how many people call me and they say, you know,
imams share, you know, we can you give us a dua that we need, you know, we want a house or we want
you know, my son is looking for a wife, or my my daughter is looking for a husband. And so we you
know, these, these was, I mean, these requests, they come so much, and we should memorize this dua
because musasa made this dua to Allah subhanho wa taala. And he put his Tawakkol in Allah subhanho
wa taala. And Allah subhanho wa Taala gave him all these things, urine, all these things. Now, the
next thing that we learned so what we learned from that is memorize this do if you can once again
		

			this is Surah, CASAS surah number 28 ayah number 4024 is number 24. And he's making this dua to
Allah subhanho wa taala, Robbie in Neelima, and Zelda, Ilya min height and *. If we find
ourselves in a situation where we need the help of Allah subhanho wa taala. This is a very beautiful
dua that you can memorize. And you can read in sha Allah. Now the next thing that we learn also is
that when these girls came back home, and they began to talk about Musala, Islam now a father is
smart, the father is smart here. And he understands that when, you know, when they come and they're
talking, you know, they're talking about this, then, you know, here, you know, the father
		

			understands that his daughter might be inclined, and she may have feelings for Musa alayhis salam,
they are inspired and they they appreciate when wizarding Islam has done. So what did the father do?
The Father has sent his daughter alone, to go and call Musa alayhis salam. Now why do you send one
only one daughter, he could have sent both daughters pika sending out one daughter, you might be
putting her in danger. But by sending our two daughters, you know, their team, their strong, why
send only one daughter, because this is the father's way of examining and determining and
understanding the level of religiosity and higher and modesty of the young man Masada has set up. So
		

			here this is what he's trying to understand. And what we learned from this is that when proposals
come for our daughters, it is not. I mean, it is absolutely fine. There's nothing wrong in finding
out what is his job, there's absolutely nothing wrong to find out, is he responsible or not. But if
there's one thing that usually we tend to overlook, is the fact that how much religion does exist in
his life, how much how good is his character, and when it comes to our dean, when it comes to the
aspects of the and you just don't look at only a one or two things, you have to have a really good
picture. Here. He's sending his daughter to go and call Mussolini's stuff and Musa Islam. He is so
		

			much so modest in his approach, that he's telling this girl he's telling this young lady, that you
stand behind me and you guide me Where exactly is your house, because Musa Assam does not want to
walk behind her. And he may have thoughts when he sees her walking so forth, he may have thoughts
and so forth. You don't shaytaan is always there, or he may not have thought, but he's telling this
young lady us you walk behind me and you guide me to your home. And this shows modesty of Musa
alayhis salam. And this is why this was the father's way to find out how much religion does exist in
his life. Because a lot of times we apply religion when everyone is around us, but when we are
		

			alone, and how much religiosity a person applies in their life, that gives you a really good idea
how much religiosity does exist in this person's life. So this is exactly what he did. And so the so
this is the very first this is another lesson for fathers is that when proposals come to you, there
is you know, you look at you have to look at the religiosity also of the of the young man who's
proposing to your daughter. The next thing that we learn is that when this lady she came and she
told Musa alayhis salaam, that my fun I mean my father wants to you know give you compensation. You
know, Lee edges, agile Massa Atlanta, Laodicea, agile Amasa Atlanta, you provide a service My father
		

			wants to reward you for that. Now Musa is not sit there and say, You know what I don't need
		

			To help over the mahalo I'm gonna rely only on Allah subhana wa Tada you know Subhanallah you know
you find people today that they are in desperate need of help and someone comes to them and says,
you know my friend my brother you don't have a job let me help you get a job. And I've seen people
saying that no, no, no, no no, I'm gonna wait for Allah subhanaw Without to help me. I don't want
the help of the mahalo well we don't realize is that you make dua to Allah subhanho wa Taala This is
Allah's help coming to you. This is Allah's help, I'm coming to you, you cannot expect that you want
a job and you pray to Allah subhanaw taala and Jubilee that is I'm gonna come to you with a, you
		

			know, a proposal or a you know, it's gonna bring you some news about a job opportunity that has been
open, that's not the way it works. We make dua to Allah subhanho wa taala. And sometimes Allah will
send other people to us and to help us and that is how from Allah subhanho wa Taala today's
Subhanallah we have a very skewed version of what Peloquin means. If you are begging that's a
different matter, you should not be begging to begin with. But if you're asking Allah and Allah is
sending you an opportunity, this is from Allah subhanho wa Taala at that time to say that, Oh, I'm
going to be you know, I'm going to rely only on Allah subhanho wa Taala and I'm gonna, I'm not going
		

			to take the help of anyone else. That's absolutely wrong in a very, you know, that's a wrong way of
thinking about the record. So this is why when you make dua to Allah subhana wa to Allah and Allah
sends his hope, when Allah sends his hope you take his help. And when someone I mean when ALLAH
SubhanA when another person comes to you says, Let me help you out, you take their help, because
that is how that is coming from Allah subhanho wa taala. So that's the next thing that we learn is
that never turn away. When someone wants to help you out. It is coming from ALLAH SubhanA wa Tada.
The last thing that we learned is that when this when this person when Musa Hassan came here you
		

			have the father, okay, here you have the father, presenting employment,
		

			you know, a job opportunity, Musa alayhis, salam, and he accepts, and he's also offering his
daughter's hand in marriage. See, what do we what we understand is that this girl, she's telling her
father, that why don't we hire him. Now the father, understand the father is smart, that if we hire
this person, then we have two non unmarried girls at home, and you have a random person working
around the house, it's not going to work out. The father is smart, the girl is so modest. She's not
saying that she wants to, you know, she probably wants to get married to him, but the Father
understands. So the father is presenting that. So what we learned from this is that number one, a
		

			father needs to understand parents need to truly understand when their child are trying to drop
hints to them. The next thing that we learn is, there is nothing wrong, or there is nothing wrong.
If a girl wants to get married to a certain man, she sees that there's a man of o'clock and really
religiosity and so forth. And she wants to marry him there is nothing wrong. If the girl and the
family they propose to the boy today we see that as a taboo in our society. And we see this as Oh,
the you know, the girl's family has no shame. And so far there is nothing wrong. There is absolutely
nothing wrong. If the girl is proposing to the boy, yes, it is very different from the culture that
		

			we live in. But there's nothing wrong in doing so. We also learned something very interesting to the
girl is Arab. The girls Arab Musa is some is Yara, he's an Arab. He's not from that country. He's,
you know, he grew up in Egypt. He's an he, you know, he comes from bunny story. And he's an
Israelite. And her father sees no problem and then getting married. You know, subhanAllah just, you
know, we see we hear stories, you know, how many youth they they have, you know, they tell other
Imams, and so many of our youth are going through this parents are telling them, you have to marry a
girl who comes from our country, from our city from our neighborhood. And when the child says no, I
		

			don't want to, you know what the parents say? I mean, I've heard stories where parents are saying, I
disown you, I want nothing to do with you. I wish I never had you. I've heard stories like this, I'm
not making this up. I've heard stories where parents are saying such, you know, derogatory things,
and the child feels like he feels degraded and he feels bad about this. So it's important to
understand that if you want to have those expectations, you can put them on your child, but do not
put these you cannot enforce them on your child that you have to have to find a spouse only from our
culture in our neighborhood in our you know, village and so forth. It is not part of the it is not
		

			part of the if they want to go find someone else to marry and they have good luck and then there's
nothing wrong in doing that. And once again, the last thing is that there are two things that this
girl
		

			Holy man, he was looking at musalla Islam. And there's in these are two things that we should always
look for when it comes to employment in the hiring Minister Jonathan are we he has the ability and
he is competent. Whenever we hire someone, do they have the ability? Are they competent doing what
you want them to do? And number two is are they trustworthy? hydel Amin, they have to be
trustworthy. So inshallah there are many things that we have learned today. Please, please share
them with others there is so much that we have learned regarding gender and gender interactions and
so forth. This is extremely important for all of us to understand. I ask Allah subhanho wa Taala to
		

			give us ability to learn from this May Allah subhanaw taala give us the ability to apply this in our
life and may Allah Subhan give us the ability to spread this far and wide inshallah These are
beautiful stories of the Quran, you know lessons and gems from the stories let's take them apply
them in our life I mean herbal Allah mean, does that como la jolla salaam Wa alaykum Warahmatullahi
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