Mustafa Umar – Organ Donation & Transplantation in Islamic Law

Mustafa Umar
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Speaker 1 discusses the importance of understanding the process of death and the faith in the medical industry, particularly in researching the definition of brain death and the faith in the industry. They emphasize the importance of faith in the medical industry for personal reasons, but also for research purposes.
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Alright. So,

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welcome to our program tonight on organ

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donation and transplantation

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in Islam.

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This is a topic

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which

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is very relevant to us today because,

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there are many

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important issues,

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about organ donation and about organ transplantation.

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Let me just start with the definition.

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So the definition,

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when we're talking about an organ, sometimes we

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think about, like,

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we think, like, only a heart or a

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hand or or a kidney or something like

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that. But,

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when we say organ, it's used in a

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very loose way.

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So this is actually talking about giving an

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organ

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or some part of the body to a

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recipient who who needs something, like a kidney,

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a heart, a liver, a lung. It can

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even be a cornea of the eye. It

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can be skin. It can be blood. It

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can be bone marrow. It could be so

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many different parts of the body. So what

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it means in organ,

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we're not only talking about, like, you know,

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a larger part of the body, but we're

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talking about any part of the body that

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could actually be transplanted to another person.

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Now the statistics

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say

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that every 27 minutes,

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there is an organ transplant that's taking place

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in the world today. So by the time

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we finish this lecture,

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2 or 3 organ transplants would have already

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been done.

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So there's a lot of organ transplantation

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taking place in the world.

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But every 2 hours and 24 minutes,

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somebody dies

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waiting in line for an organ that they

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needed but they did not receive.

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So this is where the issue becomes very,

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important,

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and there are certain considerations that we need

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to look at.

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So in 2015,

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there was a a study done

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with data from 104

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countries, which represents

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90%

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of the global population.

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And they said that

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127,000

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solid organs,

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solid, not blood and liquid and all that

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stuff, but solid organs

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were transplanted

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just in that year,

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2015.

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And out of all of those 127,000

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transplants,

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41.8%

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of them were living kidney transplants,

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and 21%

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were living liver transplants.

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This is very important

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when we talk about

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Islam status and what the different fatwas are

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on this topic because I want you to

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keep this statistic in mind. So 41%

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living kidney transplants were all the transplants that

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happened in the entire world.

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21%

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were living

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liver transplants. Living meaning that the donor was

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living. They were not deceased. K? And then

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out of that same number of 127,000,

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there's 32,800

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deceased donors giving other stuff.

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K?

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So in the United States alone,

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2017, there were 34,770

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transplants,

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and 7,000 people died waiting for a transplant.

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And 80% of the ones that died, guess

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which organ they were waiting for?

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Kidney. K. Kidney.

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So with that said,

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the question is why do people donate,

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and why do they not donate? Why are

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organ transplants taking place, and why are they

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not taking place? Why are some people,

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you know, either not giving the organs, or

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why are they unable to give for some

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reason?

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Well,

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when it comes to the attitude that people

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have towards organ donation,

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there are 7 main factors that influence their

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decision

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whether they're gonna donate or not donate. It

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doesn't matter whether they're donating while they're alive

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or they're donating while they're dead and they're

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signing up for a donor card. There's 7

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main reasons. The first reason is whether or

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not they're giving it to family. So there

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are people I'm I'm talking about Muslims here.

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I'm talking about just people in general. There

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are many people who say, I would give

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it to my close family member,

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but I'm not gonna give it to a

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non family member.

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Second reason

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is religion,

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and we'll talk more about that. Different religions

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have different restrictions when it comes to organ

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donation. The third is culture.

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If if if if donating is part of

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your culture,

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then you're more, you know, likely gonna be

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donating. Number 4 is family pressure or family

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influence. Right? So if your family is really

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convincing you to, you know, either sign up

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to be an organ donor or donate to

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a specific person, it's gonna play a role.

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Number 5

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is body integrity

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depending on what, you know, what kind of

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body you have.

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Number 6

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is

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and also body integrity,

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the same category comes in in terms of

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what's gonna happen to your body later on,

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right, if you if you donate.

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Number 6

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is people's attitude towards the health care system.

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So if you are mistrusting of the health

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care system and you don't trust pharmaceutical companies

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and you're very either a little bit skeptical

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of doctors because of your previous experience and

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all that, it's gonna affect whether or not

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you wanna donate. And number 7

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is fear of early organ retrieval.

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K. What fear of early early organ retrieval

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basically means is they say, I'm concerned that

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if I get into a car accident and

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end up in the hospital,

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they're just gonna take my organs out before

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I'm even dead, and I'm it's gonna kill

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me. So there's a concern that people have.

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So these are seven main reasons why people,

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seven reasons that affect

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people's attitude

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towards donating in the first place.

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Now

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in terms of religion, this is the main

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thing we're focusing on about Islam stance. But

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let's look at other religions. Who are the

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people,

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from their religious perspective, they're a little bit

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skeptical of donating?

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So among the groups, we have some Native

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Americans.

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In their religion, there's an issue with donating

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organs.

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There are gypsies, Roma gypsies. If you ever

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heard of the gypsy people, there's also a

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concern that they have. Confucians

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Confucianists

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also have a concern with organ donation.

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Shintoists,

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people who practice the Shinto religion, have a

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concern.

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Some Orthodox Jews and Orthodox rabbis have a

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concern.

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Buddhism

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mostly is against the practice of organ donation

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because it's disrespecting the bodies of ancestors and

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is considered to be something against nature.

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Jehovah's Witnesses have a requirement that organs must

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be drained of any blood,

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and this is due to their interpretation of,

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the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament as

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prohibiting

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blood transfusion.

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And there are, you know, some other religions

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that also have,

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certain restrictions

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when it comes to organ donation. So we're

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gonna look at what Islam says regarding these

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things. So first of all, Islam is not

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the only religion that actually discusses organ donation,

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and it's not the only religion that actually

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has some concerns

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about the procedure and the process of organ

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donation and putting conditions on there. So it's

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very important to keep that in mind,

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when we approach that. So let's look at

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what are the Islamic source texts. Right? Whenever

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we're looking at something from an Islamic perspective,

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we wanna understand what Islam says about something,

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we go back to the Quran,

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and we go back to the sunnah, the

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teachings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon

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him.

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So some of the verses

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and statements of the prophet, peace be upon

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him, that have been used

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against organ donation

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are one of them is a verse which

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says, and verily we have honored the children

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of Adam.

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Surah

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verse 70.

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And you say, well, wait a minute. What

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does that mean? You've you know, God says

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that we have honored the the children of

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Adam, meaning we've honored human beings. So they

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say, well, cutting open a human being just

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to transfer something is considered to be a

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dishonor

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to the human body.

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Right? Whether it's alive or whether it's dead,

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different interpretations whether it's gonna be alive or

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dead.

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The second thing that they've used is a

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hadith of the prophet, peace be upon him,

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where

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he used where it says that he used

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to encourage

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giving charity

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and preventing and stopping.

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Now this word means,

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what's it called?

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Like

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desecration,

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right, or mutilation.

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K?

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Mutilation,

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of of a body is considered to be

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something which was prohibited by the prophet, peace

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be upon him. And, in another hadith, he

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said, avoid.

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Avoid mutilation. So regardless of what's happening, you

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should always try to make sure you show

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respect to a dead body and never mutilate

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that body no matter what, whether you're alive

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or whether it's dead. So there's a sanctity

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that exists in the human body that's based

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on that verse and is based on these

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hadith. 1 of them is in Bukhari, one

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of them is in Muslim. These are very

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strong sources. But again, it's not 100% clear

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cut saying that organ donation is necessarily desecrating

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or mutilating the body. So we're gonna look

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at that.

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The next hadith

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is where the prophet, peace be upon him,

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he said, breaking the bone of a dead

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person

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is similar to breaking the bone of a

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living person.

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So based upon that, scholars have, you know,

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looked at that and said, well, wait a

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minute. That means that after the body has

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died,

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even if you break the bone of a

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dead body, it's like breaking the bone of

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a of a living body, which is a

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huge sin. That's a very bad thing to

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do. Right? Break someone's bone. Right? So the

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same thing applies to a dead body. This

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is a hadith in Abu Dawud, ibn Majah,

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and the Muslim al Imam Ahmad. Its authenticity

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has been disputed amongst scholars.

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But if it's strong and if it's authentic,

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then it means that

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there is a part of desecration of the

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body that exists even after death. And some

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people have said maybe because, you know, the

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the dead body can, you know, feel that

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as well even after it's dead. So there's

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a scholar

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by the name of Imam Tawawi. He lived

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about

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1100 years ago. K. He lived about around

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300 or so after hijra.

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He says in his book, Sharf Muskil al

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Athar, he says this hadith shows that the

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bone of a dead person has the same

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sanctity and honor as the bone of a

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living person. So this was his commentary on

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that. And then you have another hadith related

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to this in the Muslimaf of ibn Abi

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Shaiba. He says that the prophet said harming

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a believer after his death

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is similar to harming him in this life.

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So the way you cannot harm a living

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body, you should not be harm harming a

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dead body as well. So this was,

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one

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of the main hadith on the on the

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subject. The second one is it says that

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Allah's curse,

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the prophet, peace be upon him, said, Allah's

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curse is on a woman who wears false

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hair

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or

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arranges false hair for other people.

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Right? Now these hair extensions and all that

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we're talking about, this is specifically talking about

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human hair.

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So Imam Nawawi is a very famous scholar.

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He wrote a book called Rialu Salahi. He

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wrote the 40 hadith of Imam Nawawi. Many

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few people have heard of Imam Nawawi before.

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So he writes in his commentary on Sahih

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Muslim, and this hadith is in Muslim. It's

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very authentic.

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He said if human hair is being used

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for these hair

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it wasn't just hair extensions, but it was

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like hair beautification, you add other parts of

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hair. If hair is if human hair is

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being used, it's unlawful by consensus according to

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all scholars,

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Whether it's the hair of a man or

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it's the hair of a woman because the

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all the narrations of the prophet

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prohibit this. And he says it's also unlawful

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to take benefit from the hair

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and all other organs of a human body.

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Right?

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So all of these things, you're not allowed

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to take any benefit from them. K? So

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looking at that, organ donation was not, like,

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a very widely discussed thing at that time,

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but scholars have looked back and said, well,

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wait a minute. You have a hadith about

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the prophet, peace be upon him, saying not

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to use human hair from one person

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to another person, and this is something that

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is prohibited. So scholars have looked at that

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and said, well, this can be a reason

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for the prohibition of organ donation. K. And

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then, they used another verse of the Quran,

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which we'll we'll skip that one. So then

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the verses that have been used for permissibility

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of organ donation I'm just presenting both sides

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here. K. The verses that have been used

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for, it says that whoever saves the life

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of 1 person,

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it is as if they've saved the life

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of all humankind.

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This is chapter 5 verse 32. So it's

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saying that basically, look, it's not in the

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same category. If you're saving the life of

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a person by doing this, look, you've saved

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the life of the entire person. Even if

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you had to disrespect,

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let's say, human hair or body or something

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like that, that's not such a big deal.

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You're saving an entire life. So breaking a

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bone

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of someone according to

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the hadith versus saving entire mankind,

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there should be some reason for that. There

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should be some, leeway for that. And then

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another verse, it says

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that he, meaning Allah, has only forbidden you

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dead meat

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and blood and the flesh of swine,

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and that on which any other name has

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been invoked besides that of Allah. So, basically,

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this verse says, these are the things which

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have been prohibited for you to consume as

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Muslims.

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You can't eat dead meat, meat that has

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already died. You can't have blood. Right? And

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you can't eat pork.

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Right? And you and whatever you, you know,

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you eat should be slaughtered in the name

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of Allah. But then it says, but if

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one is forced by necessity

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without intentionally

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disobeying,

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meaning disobeying Allah,

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nor transgressing the due limits,

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not eating, like, to their heart's extent, just,

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you know, going off and eating a bunch,

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then this person will not have any blame

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because Allah is forgiving and merciful.

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So the principle in Islam from this verse

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is that you are allowed to even eat

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pork

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when you are driven to necessity.

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So even though the original rule is you're

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not supposed to eat pork, if there's a

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need or a necessity,

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then you're allowed to do that in order

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to preserve your life. Therefore, even though we

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have other hadiths which are saying that, you

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know, breaking the bone of a dead person

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is considered to be a sin or human,

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you know, hair transplantation is considered to be

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a sin, when there is a need for

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it that's gonna actually be a necessity in

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order to someone's life is in danger,

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then there's gonna be an exception to even

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eat pork. Why wouldn't there be an exception

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for, you know, even dealing with a dead

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body or something like that? So that

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those are the main,

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verses and hadiths that are used in this

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discussion. K? So now

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there have been a lot there's been a

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lot of discussion

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on

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this among Muslim scholars, And I wanna give

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you a history of transplant surgery to make

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you understand

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why there's a history of fatwas and why

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it matters to trace those fatwas. So let's

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take a look at the history

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of transplant surgery and how it how it's

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evolved over time, k,

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so that we can see the fatwas and

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how they've evolved over time and how they

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continue to evolve over time. So,

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for my research, the first skin transplant that

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we know of in modern times was done

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in 18/69.

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K? And then in 1906,

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the first transplant of a cornea was performed.

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Alright? So I want you to think about

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that. Between 18

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69 and 1906,

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guess how many Muslim scholars are gonna be

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talking about cornea transplants?

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None. Because it didn't happen. Right? So if

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it doesn't exist, they're not gonna be discussing

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it. It's not a really important issue unless

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they're just discussing it in theory. What if

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one person's eye was moved into another person's

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eye, but they're not able to do it

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until

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1906?

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And then 1954

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was the first successful kidney transplant

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to an identical twin.

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So what you're gonna see is you're gonna

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say, well, wait a minute. What what about

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those Muslim scholars from Al Azhar and, you

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know, other universities and school? Why why didn't

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the scholars in the 19 thirties 19 forties?

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Why weren't they giving us fatwas and discussions?

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Fatwas is a religious verdict. Right? Why weren't

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they doing research papers on kidney transplants?

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Because they weren't actually successfully done at that

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time. Right? So if the literature

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is lacking,

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it's because the research the the the ability

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to do that was actually lacking until this

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time.

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1962

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was the first kidney, lung, and liver transplants,

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recovered from deceased donors.

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So the the first ones were done by

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living donors.

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Now we have 1962, 1963.

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We have

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from deceased donors coming. So now all of

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a sudden, look, the fatwas

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that are being given in the 19 fifties

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are not focusing on deceased donors, people who

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have already died and were extracting their organs.

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Why?

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Because that was not something that was even

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being done. So it starts to become an

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issue after the 19 sixties. So now it

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gets presented. 1963

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was the first organ recovery from a brain

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dead donor. And I'm gonna explain what brain

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death is. It's a very, very important topic,

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which I'm gonna address today in detail.

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1967

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was the first successful liver transplant.

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67 was the first heart transplant as well.

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68, bone marrow transplant.

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68.

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1968 was the first definition

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of brain death

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that was based on neurological

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criteria

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by,

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Harvard Medical School ad hoc committee that was

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there to decide what the issue of brain

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death is. So I'm gonna explain what brain

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death is in detail, but just understand that

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the concept of brain death

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really became prevalent in 1968,

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and it took a lot of time to

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even catch up. So it's a fairly new

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issue. K?

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1976,

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they discovered

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cyclosporin.

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It had the ability to suppress the immune

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system

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that will actually prevent the rejection of transplanted

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organs. So now a lot of these have

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been rejected. It's not a very successful surgery.

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Now things start to change. Now it becomes

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more successful.

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So the discussion is gonna be different now

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that it's becoming more of a successful surgery.

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1990,

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1st living donor lung transplant was performed.

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1998,

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1st successful hand transplant was performed in France.

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And in 2,010,

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the first successful

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full face transplant

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was conducted in Spain. Entire face was

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transplanted. And now, actually, I I think a

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head has been transplanted already. I forgot which

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country it was. So it just continues to

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evolve. And now the question becomes, well, wait

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a minute. What if you have somebody else's

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head?

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Right? Like, what is what does Islam say

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about that? Right? It's not even your own

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head.

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It's gonna get to a point where,

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not in the near future,

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we may actually have

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so many different body parts of other people,

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and we may actually have different body parts

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which are not even they're robotic.

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So the question becomes, well, what at which

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point

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are you not really you anymore?

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Right? What constitutes you?

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Right? Where you know, where is the definition

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of you as a person

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versus you being part of another person versus

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you being part of a machine?

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Right? So that's actually,

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something that we should probably start discussing now

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as Muslim scholars,

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because it's coming and it's very it's it's

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it's around the corner.

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But let's focus on, organ donation for today.

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So if we look at that, you see

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how things have been progressing over time. So

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if you go and you look and say,

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okay. Well, wait a minute.

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When did Muslim scholars start discussing these things?

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When did they start talking about these things?

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Well, they started talking about them as soon

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as

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these,

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procedures

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became common.

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So what happens is people in the medical

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community,

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especially Muslims in the medical community, in the

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medical field, they're gonna go to Muslim scholars

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and say, well, wait a minute. You know,

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what does Islam say about this? Right? Because

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it's not default everything is allowed. These these

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are serious moral considerations

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that we have. When when we say moral

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considerations Islamic considerations

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in Sharia in Islamic law,

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The people who are doing this, mostly from

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Western countries,

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they also are concerned about the morality

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and the the ethics involved in transplanting some

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of these things. So they go to their

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philosophers,

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and they say, we need

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some guidance on what are the ethical implications

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of

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transplanting these things

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because they don't necessarily have a religion. So

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people who are secular, they don't have a

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religion. They don't go to religious authority. So

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they go to their philosophers

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who are their ethical, moral philosophers to say,

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hey.

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What do you say about this? Right? So

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they're discussing it, and Muslim scholars are discussing

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it, while Western ethicists are discussing it at

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the same time. K? This is important to

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understand.

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So what do you find? So Muslim scholars,

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they go back.

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When Muslim scholars get this issue, they go

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back and they say, well, what did Muslim

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scholars of the past

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talk about? Did they ever discuss anything

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that somewhat resembles

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these issues?

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That we can kind of find some type

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of analogy so that we can understand how

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to think about these issues. Rather than just

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saying we just go to Quran and hadith

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directly and we figure it out on our

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own, we go back to our intellectual history

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to see what have other people done. And

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you know what? Western ethicists who are secular,

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they have no religion, they do the same

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thing. They go back and say, let's read

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what Aristotle and Plato and, you know, all

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of these other philosophers

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had said about these type of issues so

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that we're not starting from scratch.

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So Muslim scholars do the same thing. They

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go back, and some of the things they

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found was they found, for example,

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Imam Samarkandi. He wrote a book called.

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In volume 4, page 261,

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he mentions an issue.

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He's a Hanafi scholar. He mentions an issue.

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He lived about,

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300, 400, maybe 900 years ago, something like

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that.

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He says, if a pregnant woman died

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and the child in her stomach is still

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alive,

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then her stomach should be cut open

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in order to take the child out because

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in that is saving the life of a

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human, thus the sanctity of a human body

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will be overlooked.

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So you see what he's saying? He's saying,

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look, we know in Islam, we have these

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hadiths. We know we have to honor the

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sanctity of the human body. We should not

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desecrate it. But if a woman dies and

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there's a child in there, we have to

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choose between 2. And what we're gonna do

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is we're gonna cut open that body. It

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doesn't matter if we're desecrating the body because

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there's a greater benefit there. Therefore, we have

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permission to go ahead and do that. Then

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we look at Imam Nawawi again. Lived about

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700,

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years ago or something like that.

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Imam Nawawi, the same one I was mentioning,

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he wrote this in his book called Al

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Mujhmuh. He talks about teeth transplantation.

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He talks about bone transplantation,

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which was happening probably during the time of

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Muslims, you know, when they were in their

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golden age. Muslims were very advanced in science

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and in medical practice. So he talks about

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teeth transplantation,

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bone transplantation.

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Can you change this from one person to

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another, and then what categories and circumstances,

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and all of that stuff? So you have

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a discussion on that. Then you have another,

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book called al Fataw al Hindiya,

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or Fataw al al Mihiriyya, which is a

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group of Muslim scholars came together in India.

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This is about,

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again, like, 600, 700 years ago, something like

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that, and they discussed this issue.

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And they said,

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if a person feared death

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due to hunger

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and another person said to him so let's

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say you're you're afraid of death, you think

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you're dying, another person comes along and says,

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cut off my hand and you can eat

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it.

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The Muslim scholars are thinking about this, say,

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what should we say? Or the person says,

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you can cut off part of me and

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you could eat you could eat part of

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me because you're dying,

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Says it will be unlawful for him to

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do so. So the Hanafi scholars at that

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time, they said he's not gonna be allowed

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to do that. And he says similarly,

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it is impermissible for a desperate person who's

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starving to cut part of his own self

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off and eat it.

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He says, you can eat pork,

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you can drink alcohol,

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but you can't cut off part of your

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own body and eat it. But then they

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said, but this is one opinion

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at the time.

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According to Imam al Shafi'i, another very famous

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scholar, he said it is permissible for a

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person who is dying out of hunger

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to consume the meat of another person. You

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can actually eat the human flesh of another

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person. Right? So the scholars look at this

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and they say, okay. Well, wait a minute.

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Okay.

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We're seeing a bunch

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of religious rulings or fatwas

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like this where we can kind of get

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an understanding of the issue where there has

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been some discussion,

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where there has been some difference of opinion,

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and all of that stuff. So they go

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and they look at that. They look at

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the hadith that we talked about. They look

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at the verses that we talk about, and

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they said, now let's try to understand what

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kind of, you know, things are being done,

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and let's come up with a conclusion of

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what we wanna say. So to summarize,

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in a nutshell, here is a list of

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most of the main fatwas

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coming out from the Muslim world

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on organ transplantation.

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So 1959

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we have earlier ones documented, but I just

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have from 19 59. So from 1959,

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you have the Grand Mufti of Egypt.

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He says that,

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cornea transplants because that's the first one that

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was happening. He said cornea transplants are permissible.

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We don't have many you don't have kidney

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transplants. You don't have lung transplants at this

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time. So they're not really talking about that.

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They're talking about cornea transplants. It's permissible.

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Alright. Then you have the next grand Mufti

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of Egypt in 1966.

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He says that, yes, the other organ donations

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are permissible, but we need conditions.

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You cannot trade in organs. You cannot be

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selling organs. There need to be other restrictions

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and all of that. K? So that happens

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in Egypt. Then you have 1967, the following

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year, Mufti Mohammed,

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Shafi'a.

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Right? He is the grand Mufti of Pakistan.

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He issues,

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he writes a pamphlet,

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and he says organ donation is prohibited. Keep

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in mind, 1967.

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K? So what you do is you realize

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that he's,

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he's someone who

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greatly influences

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the Indo Pak subcontinent,

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scholars at the time. And his son is

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the famous scholar Mufti Takki Usmani, who's very

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well known in the world today,

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who, you know, until recently, he was abstaining

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from issuing a verdict on this issue. Then

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you have 1969.

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You have an international conference in Malaysia

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who says that organ donation is permissible in

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general.

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And then the Algiers Supreme Islamic Council says

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it's permissible.

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And then you have a bunch of other

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people. Supreme council for fatwas in Jordan says

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it's permissible. Senior olema council in Saudi Arabia

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says it's permissible.

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You know, the next fatwa you you so

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you have all these fatwas coming down all

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the way from different groups, sometimes from an

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individual scholar,

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sometimes from a group and collective scholar from

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a country.

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And what happens is

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that

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while the technology is changing,

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sometimes the fatwa is changing. K? So we're

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gonna see that in a moment.

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Now out of this list, the most influential

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bodies that exist over here are a few.

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One of them is the IIFA

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of the OIC.

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IIFA IIFA is the Islamic Fit Academy

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of the OIC. OIC is the Organisation For

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Islamic Cooperation or something like that. It's like

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the group of all these Muslim countries.

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It was established in 1981 in Jeddah, which

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is in Saudi Arabia,

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and they ruled that live

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donation

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and cadaveric donation, meaning deceased donation, is allowed

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in principle.

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But then they're they put a bunch of,

00:28:01 --> 00:28:03

you know, conditions there, but they said, generally,

00:28:03 --> 00:28:04

it's allowed.

00:28:04 --> 00:28:06

This fatwa is one of the most prominent

00:28:07 --> 00:28:07

fatwas

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that exists in terms of the one that

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people quote so much. It's from 19,

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it's from 1988,

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Islamic fic Academy, book of decrees. It's even

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quoted on the government's website, organ donor.gov.

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If you look at the religions,

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they quote this fatwa and say, see, it's

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permissible for Muslims to go ahead and donate

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organs according to this fatwa where you have

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representation

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of many different scholars coming from many different

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parts of the world. So they say in

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principle.

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But then if you read the fatwa very

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clearly,

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they have this wording here, and they say,

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all cases having to do with this topic

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are subject to further research and discussion,

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and they should be studied and discussed in

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a future session in the light of medical

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data and Islamic rulings. So they're saying this

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is kind of like a preliminary

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statement that we're giving you, but we need

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a lot more, you know, detail. We need

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more research. We need this. We need that.

00:29:01 --> 00:29:03

So don't assume that this is like some

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kind of

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be all, end all binding type of thing.

00:29:06 --> 00:29:08

K? The second most influential,

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body is the IFC, the Islamic Fiqh Council,

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from the Muslim World League, which was established

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in 1977

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in Mecca.

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Also

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has scholars coming from around the entire world

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all meeting in Mecca discussing issues like this.

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So in 1987, they had a fatwa that

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was released, which says basically the same thing,

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that live donation

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and, cadaveric donation, deceased donation is allowed

00:29:34 --> 00:29:35

in principle.

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K? So you have these 2 very prominent

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bodies

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saying that it is permissible

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to,

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you know, have organ donation, kidney transplants, whether

00:29:47 --> 00:29:50

the body has died or whether the person

00:29:50 --> 00:29:52

is alive, they're it's all allowed, k, with

00:29:52 --> 00:29:54

some conditions, which we'll talk about.

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But then you have

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some very prominent

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scholars

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who said no, and they disagreed.

00:30:02 --> 00:30:04

One of them was, I said, Mufti Shafir.

00:30:04 --> 00:30:07

Right? The grand Mufti of Pakistan in 1964.

00:30:07 --> 00:30:09

He says it doesn't matter whether it's medically

00:30:10 --> 00:30:11

necessary or it's not necessary.

00:30:12 --> 00:30:14

It is not Allah. He's used the hadith

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of breaking the bone of a dead person.

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He says that Allah owns your body, and

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you cannot give another part of your body

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to anyone else.

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And then he gives, you know, some other

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explanation.

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So he was a person who was very

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prominent in Pakistan

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and and in India, right, and in Bangladesh,

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I assume, that

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who's really set the tone for many people

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saying, no. This should not be allowed.

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We should not be doing this organ donation.

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The second one

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is Sheikh Shahrawi in Egypt. So those of

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you who have ever heard of Sheikh Shahrawi,

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he's a very probably the most famous scholar,

00:30:52 --> 00:30:54

popular scholar that ever came out of Egypt.

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He used to be on a TV show.

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He used to have a tafsir program, the

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most widely watched, you know, TV show in

00:31:00 --> 00:31:01

Egypt at the time. They say that this

00:31:01 --> 00:31:03

the the the streets would just, like, shut

00:31:03 --> 00:31:06

down during his TV program. He's very, very

00:31:06 --> 00:31:08

popular. He just died recently in 1998.

00:31:09 --> 00:31:10

So Sheikh Shahrawi,

00:31:10 --> 00:31:13

he also believed that organ transplantation

00:31:13 --> 00:31:15

was impermissible in all forms.

00:31:16 --> 00:31:18

And the reason why he said that was

00:31:18 --> 00:31:19

he said that human beings do not own

00:31:19 --> 00:31:22

their bodies. They are trust from God, and

00:31:22 --> 00:31:24

you cannot give it to someone else. And

00:31:24 --> 00:31:26

his opinion became very widespread on TV because

00:31:26 --> 00:31:29

one time, he just spontaneously during one of

00:31:29 --> 00:31:31

his TV shows, he just addressed it in

00:31:31 --> 00:31:33

an interview, and he said he said, how

00:31:33 --> 00:31:34

can you give a kidney

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that you yourself do not even own in

00:31:36 --> 00:31:37

the first place?

00:31:37 --> 00:31:40

Right? So and then he talked about suicide

00:31:40 --> 00:31:42

and all of these things. And what happened

00:31:42 --> 00:31:43

was is that when they interviewed

00:31:44 --> 00:31:44

Egyptians

00:31:45 --> 00:31:46

who were refusing,

00:31:47 --> 00:31:49

organ donation or against the idea, they asked

00:31:49 --> 00:31:51

and said, well, why are you against it?

00:31:51 --> 00:31:54

So Sheikh Shar always said so. Right? He's

00:31:54 --> 00:31:55

a very, very popular,

00:31:56 --> 00:31:56

scholar.

00:32:01 --> 00:32:02

Well, I mean, he's a graduate

00:32:03 --> 00:32:04

of of Al Azhar. Right? So to say

00:32:04 --> 00:32:06

he's mufassir and not faqih,

00:32:06 --> 00:32:07

again,

00:32:07 --> 00:32:09

he he he's he's a he's a graduate

00:32:09 --> 00:32:10

from Al Azhar. He may not be a

00:32:10 --> 00:32:11

specialist,

00:32:12 --> 00:32:14

in these issues. But this is a, you

00:32:14 --> 00:32:15

know, this is a hamdah. This is his

00:32:15 --> 00:32:16

opinion.

00:32:16 --> 00:32:19

Then you have the Islamic FICC Academy of

00:32:19 --> 00:32:21

India in 1989. They

00:32:22 --> 00:32:24

said that deceased donation

00:32:24 --> 00:32:25

is prohibited,

00:32:25 --> 00:32:27

but live donation is allowed. So you see

00:32:27 --> 00:32:30

the, you know, very prominent Fiq Council in

00:32:30 --> 00:32:30

India.

00:32:31 --> 00:32:32

And then you have

00:32:32 --> 00:32:34

the Grand Ayatollah Sistani,

00:32:35 --> 00:32:37

who is the leader of the Shias of

00:32:37 --> 00:32:39

Iraq. Not Iran.

00:32:39 --> 00:32:41

The leader of the Shias in Iraq. He

00:32:41 --> 00:32:44

said it is not permissible to remove any

00:32:44 --> 00:32:46

organ from the dead body of a Muslim,

00:32:46 --> 00:32:49

right, for transplant or or anything like that.

00:32:50 --> 00:32:51

And he has a whole fatwa against that.

00:32:51 --> 00:32:53

So he says this is not allowed, and

00:32:53 --> 00:32:54

he's very staunch,

00:32:55 --> 00:32:57

against that. Now you notice that in Iran,

00:32:57 --> 00:32:59

it's different, and in Iraq,

00:32:59 --> 00:33:02

it's different. And these are the Shia Shia

00:33:02 --> 00:33:04

school or the Shia sect in that sense.

00:33:04 --> 00:33:06

So these are the most popular fatwas that

00:33:06 --> 00:33:07

are pro

00:33:07 --> 00:33:09

and the most popular fatwas that are against.

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

Or you could say the most influential

00:33:12 --> 00:33:14

that influenced the Muslim community

00:33:15 --> 00:33:16

around the world.

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

Then you find I'll I'll take questions at

00:33:18 --> 00:33:20

the end, unless it's directly related. It's like

00:33:20 --> 00:33:21

a clarification.

00:33:21 --> 00:33:22

Oh, go ahead.

00:33:27 --> 00:33:29

Oh oh, so, yeah, the son Mufti

00:33:30 --> 00:33:32

Ismani is the son of the grand Mufti,

00:33:32 --> 00:33:32

he

00:33:33 --> 00:33:34

he said

00:33:34 --> 00:33:37

that I don't have an opinion. Recently, he

00:33:37 --> 00:33:38

said I don't have an opinion on this

00:33:38 --> 00:33:39

issue.

00:33:39 --> 00:33:42

Although I think there's there might be some

00:33:42 --> 00:33:43

leeway for it. I'm undecided.

00:33:44 --> 00:33:45

But that's what he said. So he's not

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

following his father's opinion. He's not against it,

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

but he's not coming out and saying he's

00:33:49 --> 00:33:51

for it yet either. So that's the one.

00:33:51 --> 00:33:54

And then you have the Islamic Religious Council

00:33:54 --> 00:33:55

of Singapore.

00:33:56 --> 00:33:57

Alright? In

00:33:57 --> 00:33:58

1973,

00:33:58 --> 00:34:01

they issued a fatwa which says that

00:34:01 --> 00:34:03

if you make a pledge in the form

00:34:03 --> 00:34:04

of a will

00:34:04 --> 00:34:06

and you say that you wanna give some

00:34:06 --> 00:34:07

of your organs,

00:34:07 --> 00:34:08

it is not allowed

00:34:08 --> 00:34:09

because

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

you have to honor the human body, and

00:34:11 --> 00:34:13

this is dishonoring the human body. 1973.

00:34:15 --> 00:34:17

And then what happened is in 1985,

00:34:18 --> 00:34:20

they reconsidered. And they said, now that we

00:34:20 --> 00:34:22

under now that there's medical advancements and you

00:34:22 --> 00:34:24

saw the chart before. You saw, you know,

00:34:24 --> 00:34:27

the different things being done. Now that there's

00:34:27 --> 00:34:29

medical advancements, we have reconsidered our position,

00:34:30 --> 00:34:31

and it is allowed.

00:34:31 --> 00:34:33

And we were just saying the previous fatwa

00:34:33 --> 00:34:35

because we were concerned

00:34:35 --> 00:34:37

about we wanted to be a little bit

00:34:37 --> 00:34:39

on the safe side because we we still

00:34:39 --> 00:34:41

were not sure what's gonna happen in terms

00:34:41 --> 00:34:43

of technology and all of that. But they

00:34:43 --> 00:34:46

said now it's allowed because protecting human life

00:34:46 --> 00:34:49

is more important than protecting the dignity of

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

the body, just like what,

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

Imam Samarkandhi had said, you know,

00:34:55 --> 00:34:56

centuries ago. Right?

00:34:57 --> 00:34:59

Then there's another fatwa that came out of

00:34:59 --> 00:35:01

England, out of the UK, and there's fatwas

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

that coming out of the Netherlands and many

00:35:03 --> 00:35:04

European countries.

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

And what you find is that these fatwas

00:35:07 --> 00:35:09

issued by Muslim scholars

00:35:09 --> 00:35:10

tend to be influenced

00:35:11 --> 00:35:12

by

00:35:12 --> 00:35:13

political circumstances.

00:35:14 --> 00:35:16

So it's it's unfortunate. So what you find

00:35:16 --> 00:35:18

is, for example, in England,

00:35:18 --> 00:35:20

there's a bunch of people who hate Muslims.

00:35:20 --> 00:35:23

We call them Islamophobes or Islam haters. Right?

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

They started saying that, hey. You know what?

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

In in England, there's a very large population

00:35:27 --> 00:35:29

of Indo Pakistani,

00:35:29 --> 00:35:30

you know, Muslims.

00:35:30 --> 00:35:32

So if they're following

00:35:32 --> 00:35:34

either the India Fiqh Council or they're following

00:35:34 --> 00:35:36

Mufti Mohammed Shafir,

00:35:36 --> 00:35:38

and they're saying that we don't we don't

00:35:38 --> 00:35:40

do donation, then you see that that's one

00:35:40 --> 00:35:42

of the reasons why,

00:35:42 --> 00:35:44

donations may be low. And that's not the

00:35:44 --> 00:35:47

only reason. Again, we said there's culture, there's

00:35:47 --> 00:35:49

family pressure, there's this, there's that. So many

00:35:49 --> 00:35:51

different reasons. So the peep so these Islam

00:35:51 --> 00:35:54

haters in England and in the Netherlands, they

00:35:54 --> 00:35:55

said, well, you know what? We need to

00:35:55 --> 00:35:57

pass a new law. And the new law

00:35:57 --> 00:35:58

is gonna be specifically

00:35:59 --> 00:35:59

for Muslims.

00:36:00 --> 00:36:01

That since Muslims

00:36:02 --> 00:36:02

supposedly

00:36:03 --> 00:36:05

are very low they're the lowest in the,

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

organ donor category of people who are signing

00:36:08 --> 00:36:10

up to be organ donors, which is not

00:36:10 --> 00:36:12

true, by the way, but they claim that.

00:36:12 --> 00:36:13

Said, therefore,

00:36:13 --> 00:36:16

we should not allow them to have organs

00:36:16 --> 00:36:18

if they're not gonna sign up for the

00:36:18 --> 00:36:18

organ,

00:36:19 --> 00:36:20

you know, donor list as well.

00:36:21 --> 00:36:23

So the Muslim scholars looked at that, and

00:36:23 --> 00:36:24

they said, woah. Now we have a problem.

00:36:24 --> 00:36:26

This becomes part of Islamophobia.

00:36:26 --> 00:36:29

This becomes part of discriminating against Muslims in

00:36:29 --> 00:36:31

particular, and this rule is designed to actually

00:36:31 --> 00:36:34

cause Muslims a problem. So what ended up

00:36:34 --> 00:36:36

happening was is that,

00:36:36 --> 00:36:38

you know, some of the Muslim scholars, they

00:36:38 --> 00:36:40

said, now we have a problem. We're trying

00:36:40 --> 00:36:41

to survive

00:36:41 --> 00:36:44

as Muslims as a minority in Europe, and

00:36:44 --> 00:36:47

we're being discriminated against. And we're a small

00:36:47 --> 00:36:49

minority, and we need to do something which

00:36:49 --> 00:36:51

is going to, you know,

00:36:52 --> 00:36:53

establish ourselves

00:36:53 --> 00:36:55

in Europe. So what happens now is you

00:36:55 --> 00:36:57

find that there's more leniency

00:36:58 --> 00:36:59

in kind

00:37:00 --> 00:37:01

of adopting and acknowledging

00:37:02 --> 00:37:03

any type of

00:37:04 --> 00:37:07

general medical practice that comes out

00:37:07 --> 00:37:09

in order to kind of appease the society,

00:37:10 --> 00:37:12

of, you know, making sure that, you know,

00:37:12 --> 00:37:14

we can exist and remain in Europe and

00:37:14 --> 00:37:17

all of that. But what you found is

00:37:17 --> 00:37:20

when you find researchers who actually investigated this,

00:37:20 --> 00:37:21

they said that,

00:37:23 --> 00:37:24

one of the most common

00:37:25 --> 00:37:25

reasons

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

for not wanting to be an organ donor

00:37:28 --> 00:37:31

is not just religion. It's actually,

00:37:32 --> 00:37:34

one of the most common reasons of wanting

00:37:34 --> 00:37:36

to donate an organ in your community

00:37:37 --> 00:37:39

is feeling a sense of solidarity

00:37:40 --> 00:37:41

with the broader community

00:37:42 --> 00:37:44

and believing that donated organs are put to

00:37:44 --> 00:37:45

good use.

00:37:45 --> 00:37:46

Right? It's a precondition.

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

Now the problem is if you study Muslims

00:37:49 --> 00:37:49

in Europe

00:37:50 --> 00:37:51

and you ask them

00:37:52 --> 00:37:54

whether they feel a sense of solidarity with

00:37:54 --> 00:37:57

the general Muslim community outside of England maybe,

00:37:57 --> 00:37:59

you look at France, you look at Spain,

00:37:59 --> 00:38:01

you look at Italy, you look at the

00:38:01 --> 00:38:01

Netherlands,

00:38:02 --> 00:38:04

you'll find that Muslims in Europe are very

00:38:04 --> 00:38:06

different from Muslims in America.

00:38:07 --> 00:38:08

They tend to be

00:38:09 --> 00:38:10

you know, there was immigration and more blue

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

collar workers and all, but they tend to

00:38:12 --> 00:38:13

be more marginalized,

00:38:14 --> 00:38:17

especially in places like France, even in Germany,

00:38:17 --> 00:38:20

even in especially Netherlands, especially Spain, especially Italy.

00:38:20 --> 00:38:23

They're very marginalized, so you can see that

00:38:23 --> 00:38:26

it's not only a religious factor that is

00:38:26 --> 00:38:29

causing them to not be so interested

00:38:29 --> 00:38:33

in donating organs per se, but it's actually

00:38:33 --> 00:38:34

part of their sense of solidarity

00:38:35 --> 00:38:36

they feel with that community

00:38:36 --> 00:38:37

that exists.

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

So you have this,

00:38:39 --> 00:38:41

few fatwas that were passed in Europe

00:38:42 --> 00:38:43

that are very,

00:38:44 --> 00:38:44

much

00:38:46 --> 00:38:48

not in line or they're more accommodating,

00:38:49 --> 00:38:51

than you find all the other fatwas coming

00:38:51 --> 00:38:52

out of the Muslim world. And this is

00:38:52 --> 00:38:54

one of the reasons for it because politics

00:38:55 --> 00:38:56

plays a role

00:38:56 --> 00:38:57

in giving a fatwa

00:38:58 --> 00:39:00

when Muslims are living as a minority and

00:39:00 --> 00:39:02

they feel they're a persecuted minority and they

00:39:02 --> 00:39:04

feel that, you know, when they're trying to

00:39:04 --> 00:39:06

decide between this and that, it's a little

00:39:06 --> 00:39:08

bit of a gray area. They wanna kind

00:39:08 --> 00:39:08

of

00:39:08 --> 00:39:11

choose the gray area on the side where

00:39:11 --> 00:39:13

it's gonna be in their own best interest

00:39:13 --> 00:39:15

from a political perspective. So we have to

00:39:15 --> 00:39:17

keep all of those things in mind when

00:39:17 --> 00:39:20

we're analyzing these fatwas and understanding them. So

00:39:20 --> 00:39:20

with that,

00:39:21 --> 00:39:23

there are certain subissues.

00:39:24 --> 00:39:25

Right? So so, again, going back to this

00:39:25 --> 00:39:27

list. If you look at the list across

00:39:27 --> 00:39:28

the board,

00:39:28 --> 00:39:30

the vast majority I know it's kinda small.

00:39:30 --> 00:39:33

The vast majority of all of these bodies

00:39:33 --> 00:39:36

have said that it is permissible in principle.

00:39:36 --> 00:39:39

Organ donation is permissible in principle. The vast

00:39:39 --> 00:39:39

majority.

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

Now the minority

00:39:41 --> 00:39:44

is a small minority, but it's a significant

00:39:44 --> 00:39:45

minority.

00:39:45 --> 00:39:47

K? So it's not just like some dismissed

00:39:47 --> 00:39:49

minority. It's a significant minority.

00:39:49 --> 00:39:51

But at the same time,

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

people should not

00:39:53 --> 00:39:55

confuse this and think that because you have

00:39:55 --> 00:39:57

all the x boxes checked in the permissible

00:39:57 --> 00:39:58

category,

00:39:58 --> 00:40:00

that this is some kind of blanket approval

00:40:00 --> 00:40:02

that all of these people are saying that,

00:40:02 --> 00:40:03

you know, it's okay.

00:40:04 --> 00:40:06

So there's a paper that came out by,

00:40:06 --> 00:40:07

van Vandenbranden

00:40:08 --> 00:40:09

and,

00:40:10 --> 00:40:10

Brocaheart,

00:40:12 --> 00:40:13

Brokart.

00:40:13 --> 00:40:16

Alright? Vanden, Brandon and Brokart in 2011,

00:40:16 --> 00:40:18

they said we analyzed

00:40:18 --> 00:40:19

70

00:40:19 --> 00:40:20

English

00:40:21 --> 00:40:24

in addition to the old ones. Right? And

00:40:24 --> 00:40:27

we subjected them to an in-depth text analysis

00:40:28 --> 00:40:30

in order to reveal the key concepts

00:40:30 --> 00:40:34

in the Islamic ethical framework regarding organ donation

00:40:34 --> 00:40:35

and blood transfusion.

00:40:35 --> 00:40:38

And what they said was, our analysis shows

00:40:38 --> 00:40:39

that all 70 fatwas

00:40:40 --> 00:40:42

allowed for organ donation and blood transfusion.

00:40:43 --> 00:40:44

What they didn't mention

00:40:45 --> 00:40:48

is the detailed conditions that were attached to

00:40:48 --> 00:40:50

the permissibility of that. So that's what we're

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

gonna go through now. K? So, hopefully, the

00:40:52 --> 00:40:54

first topic is, is it allowed or is

00:40:54 --> 00:40:56

it not allowed? But then what are the

00:40:56 --> 00:40:58

conditions under which it's allowed? It's very important

00:40:58 --> 00:41:00

to go through that. So the first condition

00:41:01 --> 00:41:03

is pretty simple, is that there must be

00:41:03 --> 00:41:05

a genuine medical need,

00:41:05 --> 00:41:08

right, and there should be no harm done.

00:41:08 --> 00:41:10

It's a general principle in Islam, that there's

00:41:10 --> 00:41:12

a need or a necessity, and there's no

00:41:12 --> 00:41:14

harm. So what does that mean? So for

00:41:14 --> 00:41:16

example, in some of the fatas you find,

00:41:16 --> 00:41:18

it says it's haram to tran haram means

00:41:18 --> 00:41:19

prohibited.

00:41:19 --> 00:41:22

It is haram to transplant an organ

00:41:22 --> 00:41:23

on which life depends,

00:41:24 --> 00:41:26

such as transplanting the heart from a living

00:41:26 --> 00:41:28

person to another person. Now you say, well,

00:41:28 --> 00:41:30

that's pretty obvious. Right? Why would you even

00:41:30 --> 00:41:32

need that fatwa? Well, you need that fatwa

00:41:33 --> 00:41:34

because

00:41:34 --> 00:41:35

there's gonna be people

00:41:36 --> 00:41:39

who are living in societies where powerful people,

00:41:39 --> 00:41:40

wealthy people

00:41:40 --> 00:41:42

are potentially gonna

00:41:42 --> 00:41:45

influence or coerce or convince someone

00:41:46 --> 00:41:47

to give their heart out

00:41:48 --> 00:41:49

for the sake of donating,

00:41:49 --> 00:41:51

you say, we're gonna take care of your

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

entire extended family, and there are people who

00:41:53 --> 00:41:54

would sign up for that.

00:41:55 --> 00:41:57

So what happens is this photo, which seems

00:41:57 --> 00:41:59

like it's not even needed, you know, when

00:41:59 --> 00:42:01

you first read it, it's actually very important.

00:42:01 --> 00:42:03

It's very important to clarify that you cannot

00:42:03 --> 00:42:06

do that under the principle of no harm.

00:42:06 --> 00:42:08

Let me give it to you. First one,

00:42:08 --> 00:42:09

under the principle of no harm. So no

00:42:09 --> 00:42:10

harm to the donor.

00:42:11 --> 00:42:12

The second is

00:42:13 --> 00:42:13

that

00:42:14 --> 00:42:16

if you're giving an organ from a living

00:42:16 --> 00:42:17

person

00:42:17 --> 00:42:20

and its removal is gonna cause an essential

00:42:20 --> 00:42:22

function to seize,

00:42:22 --> 00:42:24

even though his life doesn't depend on it,

00:42:24 --> 00:42:26

you are not allowed to do that. So

00:42:26 --> 00:42:28

for example, can you take the core both

00:42:28 --> 00:42:30

corneas of the eyes?

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

If you take one cornea of the eye,

00:42:31 --> 00:42:33

at least you have one eye you can

00:42:33 --> 00:42:33

still function.

00:42:34 --> 00:42:37

You can donate that potentially. Right? But you

00:42:37 --> 00:42:40

cannot take both. If you take both, it's

00:42:40 --> 00:42:42

essential function of life to be able to

00:42:42 --> 00:42:42

see.

00:42:43 --> 00:42:44

You're gonna lose both corneas,

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

you're gonna be a problem. So they said

00:42:46 --> 00:42:48

that is prohibited because you're giving up an

00:42:48 --> 00:42:51

essential function of life. You should not be

00:42:51 --> 00:42:53

allowed to do that. Now that's important because,

00:42:53 --> 00:42:55

again, you're gonna have the same issue. You're

00:42:55 --> 00:42:57

gonna have people in societies who are pressuring,

00:42:57 --> 00:42:59

you know, powerful people or wealthy people are

00:42:59 --> 00:43:01

pressuring other people to give that up, and

00:43:01 --> 00:43:03

they say, look. I'm willing to give up

00:43:03 --> 00:43:03

my eyesight

00:43:04 --> 00:43:05

in order to get my family out of

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

poverty. People would be willing to do that,

00:43:07 --> 00:43:09

and they say, no. This is not allowed

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

under this principle. So the idea of genuine

00:43:11 --> 00:43:13

medical need, the idea of no harm either

00:43:13 --> 00:43:15

to the recipient or to the donor,

00:43:16 --> 00:43:18

it's a pretty basic one, pretty much agreed

00:43:18 --> 00:43:19

upon by everyone.

00:43:19 --> 00:43:22

The next one is absolute respect to the

00:43:22 --> 00:43:23

human body.

00:43:23 --> 00:43:25

So what does that mean?

00:43:25 --> 00:43:28

It means that the process of organ donation

00:43:28 --> 00:43:31

needs to uphold the dignity and the honor

00:43:31 --> 00:43:34

of the dead human being. Right? So we're

00:43:34 --> 00:43:36

talking about the human body. When you're alive,

00:43:36 --> 00:43:37

you know, they're gonna cut you up and

00:43:37 --> 00:43:38

then show you back together. But what about

00:43:38 --> 00:43:41

the dead body? The dead body, when it's

00:43:41 --> 00:43:42

cut up, it needs to be

00:43:43 --> 00:43:46

done in a way that's apps actually necessary.

00:43:46 --> 00:43:48

Right? There's a genuine medical need of cutting

00:43:48 --> 00:43:49

up that body.

00:43:49 --> 00:43:51

And you're gonna make sure that you're honoring

00:43:51 --> 00:43:53

that body by making sure you put it

00:43:53 --> 00:43:55

back together properly, and

00:43:55 --> 00:43:57

a correct burial is gonna take place. There's

00:43:57 --> 00:43:58

no x,

00:43:58 --> 00:44:01

unnecessary delay in the burial and and so

00:44:01 --> 00:44:02

many you know, so on and so forth.

00:44:02 --> 00:44:04

Like, in Islam, we don't we're not allowed

00:44:04 --> 00:44:06

to cremate bodies. We're not allowed to desecrate

00:44:06 --> 00:44:07

bodies and stuff like that.

00:44:08 --> 00:44:11

So this becomes a problem, actually. The reason

00:44:11 --> 00:44:12

why it becomes a problem is you have

00:44:12 --> 00:44:15

1 Muslim family. You know, we were sitting

00:44:15 --> 00:44:16

in a group of, scholars at the FICC

00:44:16 --> 00:44:19

Council of North America discussing an issue, and

00:44:19 --> 00:44:20

one of the peep one of the imams

00:44:20 --> 00:44:23

was there and said, I have some member

00:44:23 --> 00:44:23

of my community

00:44:24 --> 00:44:25

whose son,

00:44:25 --> 00:44:27

signed the donor card

00:44:28 --> 00:44:29

and died in a car accident.

00:44:30 --> 00:44:31

They took his body.

00:44:31 --> 00:44:33

It was a teenager. They took his body,

00:44:34 --> 00:44:36

and when the body came back,

00:44:37 --> 00:44:39

everything was gone. All the organs,

00:44:40 --> 00:44:41

all the bones were gone.

00:44:41 --> 00:44:43

Even the muscles were taken out. It was

00:44:43 --> 00:44:46

like a bundle of skin given back to

00:44:46 --> 00:44:48

the to the family.

00:44:48 --> 00:44:50

The family was very disappointed. So what what

00:44:50 --> 00:44:52

is this? You know? What did you do?

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

And they said, well, you know, he signed

00:44:53 --> 00:44:56

the donor card, and, that's what happened. So

00:44:56 --> 00:44:58

I said, well, this would be an example

00:44:58 --> 00:45:01

of not absolute respect to the human body.

00:45:01 --> 00:45:04

To what extent was that necessary? To what

00:45:04 --> 00:45:06

extent was that something that was,

00:45:06 --> 00:45:07

you know

00:45:07 --> 00:45:10

you know, something important? So that becomes,

00:45:10 --> 00:45:11

an issue.

00:45:13 --> 00:45:14

Another issue,

00:45:15 --> 00:45:16

is

00:45:17 --> 00:45:18

and this is not only for Muslims. So

00:45:18 --> 00:45:20

there was another guy by the name of

00:45:20 --> 00:45:21

George

00:45:21 --> 00:45:21

Eisenweiss.

00:45:23 --> 00:45:24

He died in 2011.

00:45:25 --> 00:45:27

So you have this in court courthouse news.

00:45:27 --> 00:45:29

So there was a lawsuit that was filed

00:45:29 --> 00:45:32

against the California transplant donor network.

00:45:32 --> 00:45:34

And the reason why there was a lawsuit

00:45:34 --> 00:45:35

is because

00:45:36 --> 00:45:39

the family said, yes, we're gonna give his

00:45:39 --> 00:45:41

body to take some of the organs out,

00:45:41 --> 00:45:41

but

00:45:42 --> 00:45:43

we insist

00:45:43 --> 00:45:44

that we want to make sure that the

00:45:44 --> 00:45:46

body is still intact

00:45:46 --> 00:45:48

so that we can have an open casket

00:45:48 --> 00:45:49

funeral.

00:45:49 --> 00:45:50

So now in Islam, we don't do this

00:45:50 --> 00:45:53

open casket thing. Right? Okay. But, you know,

00:45:53 --> 00:45:55

in many Christians and other religions, they do

00:45:55 --> 00:45:56

the open casket and they do wanna decorate

00:45:56 --> 00:45:58

and they want everyone to see. So they

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

say we want the body back in a

00:46:00 --> 00:46:02

way that we can do an open casket

00:46:03 --> 00:46:05

so that everyone can see and it's still

00:46:05 --> 00:46:07

body looks good? And they say, yeah. Yeah.

00:46:07 --> 00:46:09

No. Don't worry about it. You know? And

00:46:09 --> 00:46:10

then it comes back and the body is,

00:46:10 --> 00:46:13

like, you know, while the open casket is

00:46:13 --> 00:46:15

going on, like, he's bleeding, your hand is

00:46:15 --> 00:46:17

missing, your leg is missing, All sorts of

00:46:17 --> 00:46:19

things. And they're like, wait. What happened here?

00:46:19 --> 00:46:21

Like so they filed a lawsuit against them

00:46:21 --> 00:46:22

and say, you promised us that you were

00:46:22 --> 00:46:23

gonna do such and such thing, but you

00:46:23 --> 00:46:26

didn't. So what's happening is you find that

00:46:27 --> 00:46:28

the Islamic

00:46:29 --> 00:46:29

definition

00:46:30 --> 00:46:33

of respect, absolute respect to the human body,

00:46:33 --> 00:46:34

is different

00:46:34 --> 00:46:37

than the American definition of respect to the

00:46:37 --> 00:46:38

human body. So they're gonna say, yeah. Yeah.

00:46:38 --> 00:46:40

We're gonna respect the body. But there's a

00:46:40 --> 00:46:42

different type of respect that they have in

00:46:42 --> 00:46:44

terms of our standards and in terms of

00:46:44 --> 00:46:46

their standards. So that's another problem.

00:46:46 --> 00:46:48

K? So that's something to keep in mind.

00:46:49 --> 00:46:51

So when people sign up for the donor

00:46:51 --> 00:46:52

card, they always ask you, you sign up?

00:46:52 --> 00:46:54

Do you not sign up? It's state by

00:46:54 --> 00:46:56

state whether you can opt out, whether you

00:46:56 --> 00:46:59

can restrict things, whether they're gonna even, you

00:46:59 --> 00:47:01

know, follow through on what you want

00:47:02 --> 00:47:04

versus whether they're gonna do what they think

00:47:04 --> 00:47:06

is best and then tell you, hey. We

00:47:06 --> 00:47:08

respected the body. It suffices.

00:47:08 --> 00:47:11

K? The third one is no reproductive organs.

00:47:11 --> 00:47:14

So this is pretty much agreed upon that

00:47:14 --> 00:47:14

you cannot

00:47:15 --> 00:47:15

transplant

00:47:16 --> 00:47:19

reproductive organs because they're carrying genetic inheritance

00:47:19 --> 00:47:20

from the donor.

00:47:20 --> 00:47:23

So, you know, all of the internal *

00:47:23 --> 00:47:25

organs and stuff like that, you cannot transplant

00:47:26 --> 00:47:27

because what's gonna happen now is if you

00:47:27 --> 00:47:28

have children,

00:47:28 --> 00:47:31

what's happening with, you know, whose whose children

00:47:31 --> 00:47:32

are these?

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

Anything that contains the,

00:47:36 --> 00:47:38

the genetic material per se.

00:47:39 --> 00:47:42

The the next one is explicit consent,

00:47:43 --> 00:47:45

and this becomes a really big issue even

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

in in in Islamic law.

00:47:47 --> 00:47:51

So explicit consent consent means that the donor

00:47:51 --> 00:47:52

himself, the person themself,

00:47:53 --> 00:47:56

must be willingly giving per giving permission to

00:47:56 --> 00:47:58

donate that organ. But you should not be

00:47:58 --> 00:47:59

coerced and forced

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

to decide, you know, that someone else is

00:48:02 --> 00:48:04

gonna make a decision on your behalf. But

00:48:04 --> 00:48:06

then you have some concerns here. So

00:48:07 --> 00:48:08

the question first question is,

00:48:09 --> 00:48:11

what if the person died

00:48:11 --> 00:48:13

and they did not

00:48:13 --> 00:48:14

indicate their permission?

00:48:15 --> 00:48:18

Can relatives decide on their behalf

00:48:18 --> 00:48:20

that this is what they want to do

00:48:20 --> 00:48:22

or not? So the vast majority of scholars

00:48:22 --> 00:48:23

have said no.

00:48:24 --> 00:48:26

There are some scholars like Sheikh Tan Tawi

00:48:26 --> 00:48:27

from Egypt, they said yes.

00:48:28 --> 00:48:29

They can.

00:48:29 --> 00:48:30

They're allowed to go ahead and say this.

00:48:30 --> 00:48:33

Even if they didn't want it, your relatives,

00:48:33 --> 00:48:35

they can go ahead and make that decision.

00:48:35 --> 00:48:37

Now again, this comes with ethical problems. Right?

00:48:37 --> 00:48:39

Assuming that, you know, you have some families.

00:48:39 --> 00:48:40

So you know what? This is really what

00:48:40 --> 00:48:42

they would have wanted, and maybe that's what

00:48:42 --> 00:48:43

they would have wanted.

00:48:43 --> 00:48:45

And you have some other some other families.

00:48:45 --> 00:48:47

Always was a disobedient child.

00:48:48 --> 00:48:50

Let's see. Kewa, that is I I doubt

00:48:50 --> 00:48:51

anyone would do that. But, you know, there

00:48:51 --> 00:48:53

there's gonna be a reason for that. Right?

00:48:53 --> 00:48:56

So the problem is who's going to decide?

00:48:57 --> 00:48:58

Who has to decide?

00:48:58 --> 00:49:01

Are relatives allowed to decide or not? Then

00:49:01 --> 00:49:03

you have another issue. The Kuwait Fatwa Council

00:49:03 --> 00:49:04

in 1979,

00:49:05 --> 00:49:06

they ruled that

00:49:06 --> 00:49:09

you're allowed to transport organs from the deceased

00:49:09 --> 00:49:12

with or without the deceased consent, meaning the

00:49:12 --> 00:49:12

state

00:49:13 --> 00:49:14

can decide for you

00:49:15 --> 00:49:16

when you die whether or not we're gonna

00:49:16 --> 00:49:19

take your body. So the state has ownership

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

of your body to decide even if you

00:49:21 --> 00:49:22

don't want to, even if your relatives don't

00:49:22 --> 00:49:24

want to. The state comes in and says,

00:49:24 --> 00:49:26

we have made the decision to do that.

00:49:26 --> 00:49:27

So it becomes a very big ethical issue.

00:49:27 --> 00:49:30

So it's a it's an Islamic issue, and

00:49:30 --> 00:49:32

it's an ethical issue among western ethicists, and

00:49:32 --> 00:49:34

it's not been resolved. So you find that

00:49:34 --> 00:49:36

in some Eastern European countries, some former former

00:49:36 --> 00:49:39

Soviet Union countries, there's a different standard than

00:49:39 --> 00:49:41

you find in other countries. So it becomes,

00:49:41 --> 00:49:42

another concern.

00:49:43 --> 00:49:43

Then

00:49:44 --> 00:49:46

the issue of compensation.

00:49:46 --> 00:49:47

No compensation

00:49:48 --> 00:49:50

should be allowed for selling an organ. Now,

00:49:50 --> 00:49:52

again, if you remember the statistics that I

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

mentioned, right,

00:49:53 --> 00:49:56

a person is dying every 2 hours and

00:49:56 --> 00:49:58

30 minutes or so, right, I mentioned,

00:49:58 --> 00:50:00

because they can't get an organ. So I

00:50:00 --> 00:50:02

say, well, you know what? People are waiting.

00:50:02 --> 00:50:04

So just imagine all those people who are

00:50:04 --> 00:50:06

on waiting lists and they're dying

00:50:06 --> 00:50:07

because of organs,

00:50:07 --> 00:50:09

they would be like, hey. Wait a minute.

00:50:09 --> 00:50:11

You know? I'm willing to pay whatever it

00:50:11 --> 00:50:13

takes. I'll give a $1,000,000.

00:50:13 --> 00:50:14

So in 1999,

00:50:15 --> 00:50:17

if you remember the tech boom,

00:50:17 --> 00:50:18

eBay was popular.

00:50:19 --> 00:50:19

So someone

00:50:20 --> 00:50:23

put a listing up there, 1 functional human

00:50:23 --> 00:50:25

kidney on eBay,

00:50:25 --> 00:50:27

and the bid started going up.

00:50:28 --> 00:50:29

It reached $5,700,000,

00:50:31 --> 00:50:33

and it was not a joke. Right? Someone

00:50:33 --> 00:50:35

was ready to pay on eBay $5,700,000,

00:50:36 --> 00:50:37

and then eBay had to block the auction

00:50:37 --> 00:50:39

and shut it down because it's not allowed

00:50:39 --> 00:50:42

because it's against the law. It's against the

00:50:42 --> 00:50:44

law in America. It's against the law in

00:50:44 --> 00:50:46

pretty much every single country in the world

00:50:46 --> 00:50:47

except what?

00:50:48 --> 00:50:50

Does anyone know what country that is? It's

00:50:50 --> 00:50:51

not Pakistan.

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

It's not India.

00:50:53 --> 00:50:54

It's Iran.

00:50:56 --> 00:50:57

It's Iran. And I'm gonna come to that

00:50:57 --> 00:50:59

right now. So

00:50:59 --> 00:51:01

here's the issue now. K?

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

The issue, first of all,

00:51:03 --> 00:51:04

is that when we say

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

when we say that it's you cannot receive

00:51:08 --> 00:51:11

or compensation for organ donation. Right? And and

00:51:11 --> 00:51:13

I I just said that there's an international

00:51:13 --> 00:51:14

law.

00:51:14 --> 00:51:17

Everyone says you're not allowed to sell organs.

00:51:18 --> 00:51:20

Right? The reasoning behind it is they don't

00:51:20 --> 00:51:23

want the rich being privileged over the poor

00:51:23 --> 00:51:24

when it comes to selling organs.

00:51:25 --> 00:51:25

But

00:51:26 --> 00:51:28

when there's, you know, there's legal loopholes.

00:51:29 --> 00:51:30

And what a lot of people don't know,

00:51:30 --> 00:51:33

even people who are, like, hardcore, you know,

00:51:33 --> 00:51:35

we're gonna sign up everyone on the organ

00:51:35 --> 00:51:36

donor list and, you know, they're very active

00:51:36 --> 00:51:38

in politics and all that stuff, what they

00:51:38 --> 00:51:41

don't know is that there's a legal loophole

00:51:41 --> 00:51:41

in America,

00:51:43 --> 00:51:44

in American law,

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

about selling organs. So you can't sell an

00:51:47 --> 00:51:47

organ,

00:51:47 --> 00:51:49

but you can sell tissue.

00:51:49 --> 00:51:52

So there was an article in 2012 in

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

the Huntington Post, Huffington Post

00:51:54 --> 00:51:55

that says

00:51:56 --> 00:51:58

the title of the article is abusing the

00:51:58 --> 00:52:00

gift of tissue donation.

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

So basically, what they wrote was

00:52:02 --> 00:52:05

is that families often don't know that when

00:52:05 --> 00:52:06

they okay donations

00:52:07 --> 00:52:08

to nonprofit

00:52:08 --> 00:52:08

organizations,

00:52:09 --> 00:52:10

such as the California

00:52:10 --> 00:52:12

transplant donor network,

00:52:12 --> 00:52:13

the tissue

00:52:14 --> 00:52:14

routinely,

00:52:15 --> 00:52:15

regularly

00:52:16 --> 00:52:18

goes to for profit companies

00:52:18 --> 00:52:20

in order to feed a $1,000,000,000

00:52:20 --> 00:52:20

industry

00:52:21 --> 00:52:22

that uses those tissues

00:52:23 --> 00:52:25

from everything to repairing a knee

00:52:25 --> 00:52:27

to plumping up a penis.

00:52:27 --> 00:52:29

K? And then he says few states in

00:52:29 --> 00:52:30

America

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

require companies,

00:52:32 --> 00:52:35

require that companies tell their families

00:52:35 --> 00:52:36

that their loved one's tissue

00:52:37 --> 00:52:38

can be sold overseas.

00:52:39 --> 00:52:41

They can be sent to a for profit

00:52:41 --> 00:52:43

company, or they can be used in cosmetic

00:52:43 --> 00:52:46

procedures such as wrinkle, fillers, and nose jobs.

00:52:46 --> 00:52:49

So what's happening is that boy I gave

00:52:49 --> 00:52:51

you an example, they took everything out. Right?

00:52:52 --> 00:52:55

There is no law in America that prevents

00:52:56 --> 00:52:58

that those tissues from being sold to a

00:52:58 --> 00:53:00

for profit company. In fact,

00:53:00 --> 00:53:02

it is very routinely sold

00:53:03 --> 00:53:05

to a for profit company, and people who

00:53:05 --> 00:53:05

are,

00:53:06 --> 00:53:09

you know, signing up for that don't realize

00:53:09 --> 00:53:11

that their cons they don't realize that because

00:53:12 --> 00:53:14

the California Transplant Donor Network is a nonprofit

00:53:15 --> 00:53:16

organization. So I'm giving it to a nonprofit

00:53:16 --> 00:53:17

organization,

00:53:17 --> 00:53:20

but the nonprofit organization is selling it to

00:53:20 --> 00:53:21

a for profit corporation

00:53:21 --> 00:53:24

and is exporting it to another country or

00:53:24 --> 00:53:26

it's going into people's noses or whatever it

00:53:26 --> 00:53:27

may be. And that is

00:53:28 --> 00:53:31

desecration of the body, because not absolute respect

00:53:31 --> 00:53:33

to the human body, not for a genuine

00:53:33 --> 00:53:36

medical need. So I understand people don't like

00:53:36 --> 00:53:36

wrinkles,

00:53:37 --> 00:53:40

but cutting up someone's body in order to

00:53:40 --> 00:53:41

fill your wrinkles

00:53:42 --> 00:53:44

is not considered to be a valid excuse

00:53:44 --> 00:53:46

according to Islamic law. So that becomes a

00:53:46 --> 00:53:49

problem. Right? And then they said in 2,010,

00:53:50 --> 00:53:51

there was a study by researchers,

00:53:52 --> 00:53:55

Laura Simonoff and Heather Traino, where they said

00:53:55 --> 00:53:56

70%

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

of donor families

00:53:58 --> 00:54:01

said that they would object to a loved

00:54:01 --> 00:54:04

one's tissue going to a for profit business.

00:54:04 --> 00:54:05

Yet

00:54:05 --> 00:54:07

fewer than 1 in 5 said that they

00:54:07 --> 00:54:11

were told that the harvested tissues is actually

00:54:11 --> 00:54:12

going to a for profit company.

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

So there's a lack of transparency

00:54:15 --> 00:54:16

in knowledge about this,

00:54:17 --> 00:54:17

and

00:54:18 --> 00:54:21

Muslims should not be naive with regards to

00:54:21 --> 00:54:21

this as well.

00:54:22 --> 00:54:23

So that's when it comes to tissues. But

00:54:23 --> 00:54:25

organs, you cannot sell.

00:54:25 --> 00:54:27

It's not legal to sell that, except in

00:54:27 --> 00:54:30

Iran. So Iran is the only

00:54:30 --> 00:54:32

country or actually sorry. It may not be

00:54:32 --> 00:54:34

the only country in the world. It's the

00:54:34 --> 00:54:36

only quote, unquote Islamic country or country with

00:54:36 --> 00:54:37

majority Muslim population

00:54:38 --> 00:54:40

that not only allows monetary

00:54:40 --> 00:54:41

compensation

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

of living unrelated donors,

00:54:44 --> 00:54:46

but actually partially funds payments to the donor.

00:54:46 --> 00:54:49

So the government themself will actually partially fund

00:54:49 --> 00:54:51

payments. Now the reason why they do that

00:54:51 --> 00:54:53

again, they're from the Shia school of thought.

00:54:53 --> 00:54:55

They've issued this fatwa. But Ayatollah Sistani from

00:54:55 --> 00:54:57

Iraq is completely against this as well.

00:54:58 --> 00:55:00

But Iran does this, and their argument is

00:55:00 --> 00:55:02

this. Their argument is

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

people need the organs,

00:55:05 --> 00:55:06

and other people need wealth. And we're trying

00:55:06 --> 00:55:08

to save life. And even though, yeah, you

00:55:08 --> 00:55:11

could talk about potential exploitation of the poor

00:55:11 --> 00:55:13

and this and that, we are intervening,

00:55:14 --> 00:55:16

we are helping, and we put certain conditions

00:55:16 --> 00:55:19

in there. So one condition is no one

00:55:19 --> 00:55:21

under the age of 18 can do that.

00:55:21 --> 00:55:23

No one over the age of 45 is

00:55:23 --> 00:55:24

gonna be accepted for donation.

00:55:24 --> 00:55:26

Right? And then some people will say, you

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

know, I'm sure a lot of people from

00:55:28 --> 00:55:30

America, as much as they hate Iran,

00:55:30 --> 00:55:33

they would love to fly over there and

00:55:33 --> 00:55:34

get themselves a kidney

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

or a liver or whatever it may be.

00:55:36 --> 00:55:38

But there's one more problem.

00:55:38 --> 00:55:40

Iran has a rule, and they said that

00:55:40 --> 00:55:42

the donor and the recipient

00:55:42 --> 00:55:44

needs to be from the same nationality,

00:55:44 --> 00:55:45

so

00:55:46 --> 00:55:47

tourist transplantation

00:55:48 --> 00:55:48

is forbidden.

00:55:49 --> 00:55:51

We will not accept anyone from outside. If

00:55:51 --> 00:55:52

you're an Iranian,

00:55:53 --> 00:55:55

you can donate to another Iranian. We don't

00:55:55 --> 00:55:57

want people coming from all over the place

00:55:57 --> 00:55:59

and stuff like that. K? So that is

00:55:59 --> 00:56:01

so so so this becomes an issue now.

00:56:01 --> 00:56:04

Again, we have the Islamic rule. All Muslim

00:56:04 --> 00:56:06

scholars, right, from the mainstream Muslim scholar, they

00:56:06 --> 00:56:08

say you're not allowed to sell that. It

00:56:08 --> 00:56:10

should be for goodwill purposes and all of

00:56:10 --> 00:56:10

that stuff.

00:56:11 --> 00:56:12

But then you have

00:56:12 --> 00:56:15

Western countries. They say the exact same thing.

00:56:15 --> 00:56:16

You're not allowed to sell that. It's very,

00:56:16 --> 00:56:17

very bad.

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

But then here we here we have an

00:56:19 --> 00:56:20

issue. Is that

00:56:21 --> 00:56:23

can an argument be made

00:56:23 --> 00:56:24

that

00:56:24 --> 00:56:25

the dictatorship

00:56:26 --> 00:56:26

Iran

00:56:27 --> 00:56:29

actually cares more about the life of people

00:56:29 --> 00:56:32

than the secular liberal democracies who are saying

00:56:32 --> 00:56:34

that we care about life? It's an interesting

00:56:34 --> 00:56:37

question. But, again, all the scholars have said

00:56:37 --> 00:56:39

it's not allowed, so I'll just leave that

00:56:39 --> 00:56:40

for another case.

00:56:41 --> 00:56:44

The idea of religion mattering. Does religion matter

00:56:44 --> 00:56:46

in terms of the transplantation

00:56:46 --> 00:56:48

and all of that? There are this is

00:56:48 --> 00:56:50

an an issue in the Muslim world. I

00:56:50 --> 00:56:52

know Americans, people who are Muslim minorities, you

00:56:52 --> 00:56:55

know, they're probably like, oh, religion shouldn't matter.

00:56:55 --> 00:56:57

That's discrimination, this and that. Okay.

00:56:57 --> 00:56:59

Get out of your western mentality for a

00:56:59 --> 00:57:01

moment. Right? When you're in a Muslim majority

00:57:01 --> 00:57:04

country, right, it matters. So you have Sheikh

00:57:04 --> 00:57:05

Qaradawi.

00:57:05 --> 00:57:07

You have many other scholars. They say that

00:57:07 --> 00:57:09

if an organ is being donated, it needs

00:57:09 --> 00:57:11

to go from a Muslim to a Muslim.

00:57:11 --> 00:57:12

It should not be going to a non

00:57:12 --> 00:57:14

Muslim. And they have all of their explanation.

00:57:14 --> 00:57:16

And they say if there's an apostate, someone

00:57:16 --> 00:57:19

who's left Islam, a Muslim's organ should not

00:57:19 --> 00:57:20

be going to that apostate

00:57:20 --> 00:57:22

or or or to a non Muslim who

00:57:22 --> 00:57:24

is at war with Muslims. Sorry. To clarify

00:57:24 --> 00:57:26

that. Right? So the all of these things

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

play a role. I'm not gonna get into

00:57:28 --> 00:57:30

the issue because it's not so relevant to

00:57:30 --> 00:57:32

the Muslims here, in America or in the

00:57:32 --> 00:57:33

West.

00:57:33 --> 00:57:36

The last one is very important, is brain

00:57:36 --> 00:57:38

death. So the question is, is brain death

00:57:38 --> 00:57:41

absolute death? So what is brain death? Right?

00:57:41 --> 00:57:43

So the ad hoc committee of the Harvard

00:57:43 --> 00:57:44

Medical School

00:57:44 --> 00:57:47

to examine the definition of brain death, they

00:57:47 --> 00:57:49

issued this report in 1960

00:57:49 --> 00:57:50

whatever,

00:57:50 --> 00:57:51

I mentioned before.

00:57:52 --> 00:57:55

They said that brain death is the state

00:57:55 --> 00:57:57

of what we call irreversible coma.

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

So here's the issue, the way it came

00:57:59 --> 00:58:01

about. People who are in a coma,

00:58:01 --> 00:58:03

can we harvest their organs?

00:58:04 --> 00:58:05

Right? So some people were looking at that

00:58:05 --> 00:58:07

and say, yes. We should. There's other people

00:58:07 --> 00:58:09

lying. We don't know when this person's gonna

00:58:09 --> 00:58:11

wake up from their coma. And some people,

00:58:11 --> 00:58:12

they unplug people when they're in a coma

00:58:12 --> 00:58:14

and they die. Right? We don't want them

00:58:14 --> 00:58:16

sitting on life support. Wait a minute. These

00:58:16 --> 00:58:18

organs are perfect. They can save the life

00:58:18 --> 00:58:19

of somebody else.

00:58:20 --> 00:58:22

There's oxygen circulating. They're still alive. They're still

00:58:22 --> 00:58:23

breathing.

00:58:23 --> 00:58:25

These are the best organs we can get.

00:58:25 --> 00:58:27

Let's get it from a person in a

00:58:27 --> 00:58:28

coma. And you have other people say, wait

00:58:28 --> 00:58:30

a minute. That's unethical because

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

what if they wake up from their coma

00:58:33 --> 00:58:34

2 years later? What if what if they

00:58:34 --> 00:58:36

have the potential to wake up?

00:58:36 --> 00:58:39

So they defined a new term called irreversible

00:58:39 --> 00:58:41

coma. And they say, if we can figure

00:58:41 --> 00:58:42

out that there is some line and, of

00:58:42 --> 00:58:45

course, it's never 100% clear cut. But if

00:58:45 --> 00:58:46

we can figure out there's some line between

00:58:46 --> 00:58:49

coma and irreversible coma, we're gonna call this

00:58:49 --> 00:58:51

irreversible coma, we're gonna call it brain death.

00:58:52 --> 00:58:54

And brain death is basically brain stem is

00:58:54 --> 00:58:55

not functioning,

00:58:55 --> 00:58:56

and we think

00:58:57 --> 00:58:59

or we have a good reason to believe

00:58:59 --> 00:59:01

that there's no possibility of functioning. So they

00:59:01 --> 00:59:02

said specifically

00:59:02 --> 00:59:03

that

00:59:03 --> 00:59:05

it no longer functions

00:59:05 --> 00:59:08

and has no possibility of functioning again

00:59:09 --> 00:59:09

for all

00:59:10 --> 00:59:13

so it's it's for all practical purposes dead.

00:59:14 --> 00:59:15

So the idea is if the brainstem or

00:59:15 --> 00:59:19

the brain is for all practical purposes dead,

00:59:19 --> 00:59:21

and we're gonna call that brain death.

00:59:21 --> 00:59:23

Now the the problem with the idea of

00:59:23 --> 00:59:24

brain death is,

00:59:26 --> 00:59:28

what does death mean? What is the concept

00:59:28 --> 00:59:30

of death? Right? So medical practitioners,

00:59:32 --> 00:59:34

they're they don't have a clear you know,

00:59:34 --> 00:59:35

we people are like, well, why is so

00:59:35 --> 00:59:36

many you know, some people always come, and

00:59:36 --> 00:59:37

they'd be like, why are so many different

00:59:37 --> 00:59:39

front of us? Why can't the scholars be

00:59:39 --> 00:59:41

clear? All the doctors are not clear on

00:59:41 --> 00:59:42

death. If you ask them when is the

00:59:42 --> 00:59:44

moment of death, they're like,

00:59:44 --> 00:59:46

how do we define that? Right? How do

00:59:46 --> 00:59:48

you define what death is? So the reality

00:59:48 --> 00:59:49

is death is a process,

00:59:50 --> 00:59:52

like birth is a process. Right? Same thing.

00:59:52 --> 00:59:55

When you define when life begins, right, something

00:59:55 --> 00:59:58

is people are not clear on. Medical practitioners

00:59:58 --> 01:00:00

are not clear on it. Medical practitioners and

01:00:00 --> 01:00:03

researchers and scientists and all, they're not clear

01:00:03 --> 01:00:05

on when you define exactly when death happens,

01:00:05 --> 01:00:08

especially now with technology. Right? You keep everything

01:00:08 --> 01:00:10

moving. All your heart is beating. All all

01:00:10 --> 01:00:12

your your systems are functioning.

01:00:13 --> 01:00:15

When are you considered to be dead?

01:00:16 --> 01:00:17

Just like I asked you in the beginning.

01:00:17 --> 01:00:19

Right? When you have robotic parts and you

01:00:19 --> 01:00:21

have a head transplant from another person, when

01:00:21 --> 01:00:23

are you considered to not be you anymore?

01:00:23 --> 01:00:26

Right? When are you considered to be a

01:00:26 --> 01:00:28

a different person? These are very difficult

01:00:28 --> 01:00:29

issues,

01:00:29 --> 01:00:31

and they're not medical issues.

01:00:31 --> 01:00:35

They're actually philosophical issues. So that's why

01:00:35 --> 01:00:37

scholars, Muslim scholars, and Western,

01:00:38 --> 01:00:39

moral philosophers

01:00:39 --> 01:00:41

are actually the people who make this decision.

01:00:41 --> 01:00:43

And one of the problems that happened was,

01:00:43 --> 01:00:45

in many of these councils, the Muslim scholars,

01:00:46 --> 01:00:48

they just said, well, let the doctors figure

01:00:48 --> 01:00:49

out what death is. If they'd said the

01:00:49 --> 01:00:51

person is dead, then he's dead.

01:00:52 --> 01:00:53

Doctors are going and saying, wait a minute.

01:00:54 --> 01:00:55

We don't know what death is. We're not

01:00:55 --> 01:00:57

we're not sure. We're asking you. And the

01:00:57 --> 01:00:59

scholars go back and say, we're asking you

01:00:59 --> 01:01:00

figure it out. So

01:01:00 --> 01:01:02

there's a problem. So in Egypt, this happened.

01:01:02 --> 01:01:03

There's a very interesting quote.

01:01:04 --> 01:01:06

Let me tell you the quote here.

01:01:09 --> 01:01:11

Yeah. So there was a quote,

01:01:11 --> 01:01:12

from one of the papers,

01:01:14 --> 01:01:17

on transplants in Egypt, an analysis of doctors'

01:01:17 --> 01:01:18

discourse,

01:01:18 --> 01:01:20

a journal called Body and Society.

01:01:20 --> 01:01:23

So the the doctors are writing. They said,

01:01:23 --> 01:01:25

when we and our professors, we speak to

01:01:25 --> 01:01:27

the Muftis at the Darul Ifta, which is

01:01:27 --> 01:01:28

in Egypt. It's a place where fatwas are

01:01:28 --> 01:01:29

issued.

01:01:29 --> 01:01:31

They say it's halal.

01:01:32 --> 01:01:34

Organ donation is halal. But it leaves so

01:01:34 --> 01:01:36

much up to the doctors

01:01:36 --> 01:01:38

that we're not certain about it.

01:01:38 --> 01:01:40

So they're saying it's halal, and you figure

01:01:40 --> 01:01:42

out the moment of death and all of

01:01:42 --> 01:01:44

the other stuff. They're like, but we don't

01:01:44 --> 01:01:45

know the moment of death. We have a

01:01:45 --> 01:01:47

problem ourselves. We're trying to figure that out.

01:01:47 --> 01:01:49

It says that the doctors themselves saying we're

01:01:49 --> 01:01:50

not comfortable

01:01:50 --> 01:01:51

with some of the fatwas that are coming

01:01:51 --> 01:01:53

up because they're not clarifying things for us.

01:01:54 --> 01:01:54

Right?

01:01:54 --> 01:01:55

So,

01:01:55 --> 01:01:57

again, here's a diagram of the beginning of

01:01:57 --> 01:01:59

life, end of life. You notice there's a

01:01:59 --> 01:02:01

curve. So there's a death is a process.

01:02:01 --> 01:02:02

So at what moment do you declare a

01:02:02 --> 01:02:04

person dead? It is not,

01:02:05 --> 01:02:06

very clear cut.

01:02:06 --> 01:02:07

So what you have is

01:02:09 --> 01:02:11

a bunch of questions. Right? The first questions

01:02:11 --> 01:02:13

are, what are the vital functions of the

01:02:13 --> 01:02:14

brain?

01:02:14 --> 01:02:17

Who's gonna determine what the vital functions of

01:02:17 --> 01:02:18

the brain are?

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Is there a conceptual

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basis within Islamic law for brain death? Is

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there some basis for that? Right? The idea

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that was brain death was basically determined

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for the purpose of procuring organs.

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It doesn't have any other

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medical

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function.

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It was defined for that specific reason. Basically,

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we need organs from people.

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We want them to technically be

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living in a sense because that's when the

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organs are the best.

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If they die,

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oxygen is not coming to the organs that

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begin to deteriorate immediately.

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How can we figure out an exact perfect

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line where we can get the organs right

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at this moment

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while maintaining the integrity of the organs so

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that they can be used in a proper

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manner. Right? So that's what so a bunch

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of questions come up. Then the question is,

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do physicians or scientists have to determine the

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irreversibility

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of these brain

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functions as a matter of fact

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or as a matter of procedure?

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And then what level of certainty do you

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need to figure out whether this person has

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been declared brain dead or not? So there's

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a study that was done, and they said,

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basically,

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in medically,

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the prognosis

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of death is mistaken for the diagnosis of

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death. And if you're in the medical field,

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there's a difference between diagnosis and prognosis.

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I'm not gonna get into it due to

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time. So here is a list of fatwas

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which actually talk about

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whether or not brain death is accepted.

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And what you find is some of the

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very prominent Muslim scholar councils accepted brain death

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as a definition of real death.

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And they said it's okay because that's how

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the medical industry

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told us. The the scientists and the doctors

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told us that brain death is death. They

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say, yeah. Sounds good.

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So we'll go ahead and accept it. Otherwise,

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cardiac

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death, cardiac pulmonary, you know, death is the

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original definition of death. This new definition of

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death called brain death, which was something that

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came out, you have a bunch of fatwas

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where people are allowing that and saying, yes,

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it's gonna be fine.

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But remember I said about the Singapore fatwas,

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how it changed? In the beginning, they said

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organ donation is not allowed.

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With the advancement of an when they understood

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the issue better

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and with the advancement of technology,

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they said, oh, no. No. Organ donation is

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allowed. Now we understand it better, and now

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there's more advancement in technology.

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The irony

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is that now that technology is developing,

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now that Muslim scholars and medical practitioners and

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philosophers

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are better understanding

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what brain death, quote unquote, actually is,

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they're reversing

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and changing their opinion

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and saying brain death is a very problematic

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concept. We gave the fatwa in the eighties

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nineties that, hey. Well, Harvard said brain death

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is brain death and this and that. Now

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they're changing their mind, and they're not the

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only ones changing their mind. Even Western philosophical

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ethicists are changing their mind and saying this

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is a very problematic concept. It's something that

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we need to go ahead and look at

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in more detail. So

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with that, I gotta conclude because we're about

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to pray. There's this,

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body called the Faith Council of North America,

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which I'm part of. They issued a in

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December 2018,

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which basically outlined a summary of these principles.

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And I'm gonna summarize them real quick. Organ

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donation and transplantation

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is permissible

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in principle

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with conditions.

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It's an act of charity

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when you have a good intention.

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Condition number 1, you cannot sell the organ.

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Condition number 2, there should be no harm

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to the donor or the patient and needs

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to be minimized as much as possible.

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Condition number what was that? 4?

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3. Condition number 3, you need to have

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informed consent of the donor,

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not of their family, not of the state.

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It has to be of the donor.

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Number 4, they cannot take out vital organs

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while living, like the heart and stuff like

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that. Condition number 5, the deceased donation

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after cardiac death

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the the deceased donation acumenal acumenal

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acumenal. Cardiac death, not after brain death. Right?

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This becomes a problem with heart transplantation and

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all of that stuff. Number 6,

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no reproductive organs, the ova, the sperm, the

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uterus, all of that cannot be donated. And

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on the last thing, they said, on face

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and partial brain transplants,

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we have no opinion, and we're calling for

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people to do more research.

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And on the brain death, we're calling on

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people to do more research. So after discussing

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for 3 years, I was in all three

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of the meetings. This is the final thing

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that has been released, and we're waiting for

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that. So that's the kind of the conclusion,

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and we'll conclude here.

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If you want questions, there's questions, stick around.

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I'll stick around after the prayer,

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and you can, come to the back of

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the Musa Allah and ask me questions.

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