Mustafa Umar – Organ Donation & Transplantation in Islamic Law

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Speaker 1 discusses the importance of understanding the process of death and the faith in the medical industry, particularly in researching the definition of brain death and the faith in the industry. They emphasize the importance of faith in the medical industry for personal reasons, but also for research purposes.

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			Alright. So,
		
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			welcome to our program tonight on organ
		
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			donation and transplantation
		
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			in Islam.
		
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			This is a topic
		
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			which
		
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			is very relevant to us today because,
		
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			there are many
		
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			important issues,
		
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			about organ donation and about organ transplantation.
		
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			Let me just start with the definition.
		
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			So the definition,
		
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			when we're talking about an organ, sometimes we
		
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			think about, like,
		
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			we think, like, only a heart or a
		
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			hand or or a kidney or something like
		
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			that. But,
		
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			when we say organ, it's used in a
		
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			very loose way.
		
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			So this is actually talking about giving an
		
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			organ
		
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			or some part of the body to a
		
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			recipient who who needs something, like a kidney,
		
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			a heart, a liver, a lung. It can
		
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			even be a cornea of the eye. It
		
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			can be skin. It can be blood. It
		
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			can be bone marrow. It could be so
		
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			many different parts of the body. So what
		
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			it means in organ,
		
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			we're not only talking about, like, you know,
		
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			a larger part of the body, but we're
		
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			talking about any part of the body that
		
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			could actually be transplanted to another person.
		
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			Now the statistics
		
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			say
		
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			that every 27 minutes,
		
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			there is an organ transplant that's taking place
		
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			in the world today. So by the time
		
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			we finish this lecture,
		
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			2 or 3 organ transplants would have already
		
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			been done.
		
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			So there's a lot of organ transplantation
		
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			taking place in the world.
		
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			But every 2 hours and 24 minutes,
		
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			somebody dies
		
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			waiting in line for an organ that they
		
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			needed but they did not receive.
		
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			So this is where the issue becomes very,
		
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			important,
		
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			and there are certain considerations that we need
		
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			to look at.
		
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			So in 2015,
		
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			there was a a study done
		
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			with data from 104
		
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			countries, which represents
		
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			90%
		
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			of the global population.
		
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			And they said that
		
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			127,000
		
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			solid organs,
		
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			solid, not blood and liquid and all that
		
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			stuff, but solid organs
		
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			were transplanted
		
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			just in that year,
		
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			2015.
		
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			And out of all of those 127,000
		
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			transplants,
		
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			41.8%
		
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			of them were living kidney transplants,
		
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			and 21%
		
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			were living liver transplants.
		
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			This is very important
		
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			when we talk about
		
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			Islam status and what the different fatwas are
		
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			on this topic because I want you to
		
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			keep this statistic in mind. So 41%
		
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			living kidney transplants were all the transplants that
		
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			happened in the entire world.
		
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			21%
		
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			were living
		
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			liver transplants. Living meaning that the donor was
		
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			living. They were not deceased. K? And then
		
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			out of that same number of 127,000,
		
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			there's 32,800
		
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			deceased donors giving other stuff.
		
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			K?
		
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			So in the United States alone,
		
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			2017, there were 34,770
		
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			transplants,
		
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			and 7,000 people died waiting for a transplant.
		
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			And 80% of the ones that died, guess
		
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			which organ they were waiting for?
		
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			Kidney. K. Kidney.
		
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			So with that said,
		
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			the question is why do people donate,
		
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			and why do they not donate? Why are
		
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			organ transplants taking place, and why are they
		
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			not taking place? Why are some people,
		
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			you know, either not giving the organs, or
		
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			why are they unable to give for some
		
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			reason?
		
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			Well,
		
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			when it comes to the attitude that people
		
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			have towards organ donation,
		
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			there are 7 main factors that influence their
		
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			decision
		
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			whether they're gonna donate or not donate. It
		
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			doesn't matter whether they're donating while they're alive
		
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			or they're donating while they're dead and they're
		
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			signing up for a donor card. There's 7
		
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			main reasons. The first reason is whether or
		
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			not they're giving it to family. So there
		
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			are people I'm I'm talking about Muslims here.
		
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			I'm talking about just people in general. There
		
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			are many people who say, I would give
		
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			it to my close family member,
		
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			but I'm not gonna give it to a
		
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			non family member.
		
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			Second reason
		
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			is religion,
		
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			and we'll talk more about that. Different religions
		
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			have different restrictions when it comes to organ
		
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			donation. The third is culture.
		
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			If if if if donating is part of
		
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			your culture,
		
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			then you're more, you know, likely gonna be
		
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			donating. Number 4 is family pressure or family
		
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			influence. Right? So if your family is really
		
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			convincing you to, you know, either sign up
		
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			to be an organ donor or donate to
		
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			a specific person, it's gonna play a role.
		
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			Number 5
		
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			is body integrity
		
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			depending on what, you know, what kind of
		
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			body you have.
		
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			Number 6
		
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			is
		
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			and also body integrity,
		
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			the same category comes in in terms of
		
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			what's gonna happen to your body later on,
		
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			right, if you if you donate.
		
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			Number 6
		
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			is people's attitude towards the health care system.
		
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			So if you are mistrusting of the health
		
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			care system and you don't trust pharmaceutical companies
		
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			and you're very either a little bit skeptical
		
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			of doctors because of your previous experience and
		
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			all that, it's gonna affect whether or not
		
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			you wanna donate. And number 7
		
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			is fear of early organ retrieval.
		
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			K. What fear of early early organ retrieval
		
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			basically means is they say, I'm concerned that
		
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			if I get into a car accident and
		
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			end up in the hospital,
		
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			they're just gonna take my organs out before
		
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			I'm even dead, and I'm it's gonna kill
		
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			me. So there's a concern that people have.
		
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			So these are seven main reasons why people,
		
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			seven reasons that affect
		
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			people's attitude
		
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			towards donating in the first place.
		
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			Now
		
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			in terms of religion, this is the main
		
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			thing we're focusing on about Islam stance. But
		
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			let's look at other religions. Who are the
		
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			people,
		
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			from their religious perspective, they're a little bit
		
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			skeptical of donating?
		
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			So among the groups, we have some Native
		
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			Americans.
		
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			In their religion, there's an issue with donating
		
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			organs.
		
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			There are gypsies, Roma gypsies. If you ever
		
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			heard of the gypsy people, there's also a
		
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			concern that they have. Confucians
		
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			Confucianists
		
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			also have a concern with organ donation.
		
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			Shintoists,
		
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			people who practice the Shinto religion, have a
		
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			concern.
		
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			Some Orthodox Jews and Orthodox rabbis have a
		
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			concern.
		
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			Buddhism
		
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			mostly is against the practice of organ donation
		
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			because it's disrespecting the bodies of ancestors and
		
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			is considered to be something against nature.
		
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			Jehovah's Witnesses have a requirement that organs must
		
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			be drained of any blood,
		
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			and this is due to their interpretation of,
		
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			the Hebrew Bible or the Old Testament as
		
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			prohibiting
		
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			blood transfusion.
		
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			And there are, you know, some other religions
		
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			that also have,
		
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			certain restrictions
		
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			when it comes to organ donation. So we're
		
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			gonna look at what Islam says regarding these
		
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			things. So first of all, Islam is not
		
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			the only religion that actually discusses organ donation,
		
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			and it's not the only religion that actually
		
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			has some concerns
		
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			about the procedure and the process of organ
		
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			donation and putting conditions on there. So it's
		
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			very important to keep that in mind,
		
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			when we approach that. So let's look at
		
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			what are the Islamic source texts. Right? Whenever
		
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			we're looking at something from an Islamic perspective,
		
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			we wanna understand what Islam says about something,
		
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			we go back to the Quran,
		
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			and we go back to the sunnah, the
		
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			teachings of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
		
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			him.
		
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			So some of the verses
		
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			and statements of the prophet, peace be upon
		
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			him, that have been used
		
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			against organ donation
		
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			are one of them is a verse which
		
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			says, and verily we have honored the children
		
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			of Adam.
		
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			Surah
		
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			verse 70.
		
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			And you say, well, wait a minute. What
		
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			does that mean? You've you know, God says
		
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			that we have honored the the children of
		
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			Adam, meaning we've honored human beings. So they
		
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			say, well, cutting open a human being just
		
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			to transfer something is considered to be a
		
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			dishonor
		
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			to the human body.
		
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			Right? Whether it's alive or whether it's dead,
		
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			different interpretations whether it's gonna be alive or
		
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			dead.
		
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			The second thing that they've used is a
		
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			hadith of the prophet, peace be upon him,
		
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			where
		
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			he used where it says that he used
		
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			to encourage
		
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			giving charity
		
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			and preventing and stopping.
		
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			Now this word means,
		
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			what's it called?
		
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			Like
		
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			desecration,
		
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			right, or mutilation.
		
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			K?
		
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			Mutilation,
		
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			of of a body is considered to be
		
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			something which was prohibited by the prophet, peace
		
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			be upon him. And, in another hadith, he
		
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			said, avoid.
		
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			Avoid mutilation. So regardless of what's happening, you
		
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			should always try to make sure you show
		
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			respect to a dead body and never mutilate
		
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			that body no matter what, whether you're alive
		
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			or whether it's dead. So there's a sanctity
		
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			that exists in the human body that's based
		
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			on that verse and is based on these
		
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			hadith. 1 of them is in Bukhari, one
		
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			of them is in Muslim. These are very
		
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			strong sources. But again, it's not 100% clear
		
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			cut saying that organ donation is necessarily desecrating
		
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			or mutilating the body. So we're gonna look
		
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			at that.
		
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			The next hadith
		
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			is where the prophet, peace be upon him,
		
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			he said, breaking the bone of a dead
		
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			person
		
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			is similar to breaking the bone of a
		
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			living person.
		
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			So based upon that, scholars have, you know,
		
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			looked at that and said, well, wait a
		
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			minute. That means that after the body has
		
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			died,
		
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			even if you break the bone of a
		
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			dead body, it's like breaking the bone of
		
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			a of a living body, which is a
		
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			huge sin. That's a very bad thing to
		
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			do. Right? Break someone's bone. Right? So the
		
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			same thing applies to a dead body. This
		
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			is a hadith in Abu Dawud, ibn Majah,
		
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			and the Muslim al Imam Ahmad. Its authenticity
		
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			has been disputed amongst scholars.
		
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			But if it's strong and if it's authentic,
		
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			then it means that
		
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			there is a part of desecration of the
		
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			body that exists even after death. And some
		
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			people have said maybe because, you know, the
		
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			the dead body can, you know, feel that
		
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			as well even after it's dead. So there's
		
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			a scholar
		
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			by the name of Imam Tawawi. He lived
		
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			about
		
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			1100 years ago. K. He lived about around
		
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			300 or so after hijra.
		
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			He says in his book, Sharf Muskil al
		
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			Athar, he says this hadith shows that the
		
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			bone of a dead person has the same
		
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			sanctity and honor as the bone of a
		
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			living person. So this was his commentary on
		
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			that. And then you have another hadith related
		
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			to this in the Muslimaf of ibn Abi
		
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			Shaiba. He says that the prophet said harming
		
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			a believer after his death
		
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			is similar to harming him in this life.
		
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			So the way you cannot harm a living
		
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			body, you should not be harm harming a
		
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			dead body as well. So this was,
		
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			one
		
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			of the main hadith on the on the
		
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			subject. The second one is it says that
		
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			Allah's curse,
		
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			the prophet, peace be upon him, said, Allah's
		
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			curse is on a woman who wears false
		
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			hair
		
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			or
		
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			arranges false hair for other people.
		
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			Right? Now these hair extensions and all that
		
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			we're talking about, this is specifically talking about
		
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			human hair.
		
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			So Imam Nawawi is a very famous scholar.
		
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			He wrote a book called Rialu Salahi. He
		
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			wrote the 40 hadith of Imam Nawawi. Many
		
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			few people have heard of Imam Nawawi before.
		
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			So he writes in his commentary on Sahih
		
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			Muslim, and this hadith is in Muslim. It's
		
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			very authentic.
		
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			He said if human hair is being used
		
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			for these hair
		
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			it wasn't just hair extensions, but it was
		
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			like hair beautification, you add other parts of
		
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			hair. If hair is if human hair is
		
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			being used, it's unlawful by consensus according to
		
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			all scholars,
		
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			Whether it's the hair of a man or
		
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			it's the hair of a woman because the
		
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			all the narrations of the prophet
		
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			prohibit this. And he says it's also unlawful
		
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			to take benefit from the hair
		
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			and all other organs of a human body.
		
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			Right?
		
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			So all of these things, you're not allowed
		
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			to take any benefit from them. K? So
		
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			looking at that, organ donation was not, like,
		
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			a very widely discussed thing at that time,
		
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			but scholars have looked back and said, well,
		
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			wait a minute. You have a hadith about
		
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			the prophet, peace be upon him, saying not
		
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			to use human hair from one person
		
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			to another person, and this is something that
		
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			is prohibited. So scholars have looked at that
		
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			and said, well, this can be a reason
		
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			for the prohibition of organ donation. K. And
		
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			then, they used another verse of the Quran,
		
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			which we'll we'll skip that one. So then
		
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			the verses that have been used for permissibility
		
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			of organ donation I'm just presenting both sides
		
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			here. K. The verses that have been used
		
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			for, it says that whoever saves the life
		
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			of 1 person,
		
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			it is as if they've saved the life
		
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			of all humankind.
		
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			This is chapter 5 verse 32. So it's
		
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			saying that basically, look, it's not in the
		
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			same category. If you're saving the life of
		
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			a person by doing this, look, you've saved
		
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			the life of the entire person. Even if
		
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			you had to disrespect,
		
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			let's say, human hair or body or something
		
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			like that, that's not such a big deal.
		
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			You're saving an entire life. So breaking a
		
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			bone
		
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			of someone according to
		
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			the hadith versus saving entire mankind,
		
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			there should be some reason for that. There
		
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			should be some, leeway for that. And then
		
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			another verse, it says
		
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			that he, meaning Allah, has only forbidden you
		
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			dead meat
		
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			and blood and the flesh of swine,
		
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			and that on which any other name has
		
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			been invoked besides that of Allah. So, basically,
		
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			this verse says, these are the things which
		
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			have been prohibited for you to consume as
		
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			Muslims.
		
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			You can't eat dead meat, meat that has
		
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			already died. You can't have blood. Right? And
		
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			you can't eat pork.
		
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			Right? And you and whatever you, you know,
		
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			you eat should be slaughtered in the name
		
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			of Allah. But then it says, but if
		
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			one is forced by necessity
		
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			without intentionally
		
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			disobeying,
		
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			meaning disobeying Allah,
		
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			nor transgressing the due limits,
		
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			not eating, like, to their heart's extent, just,
		
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			you know, going off and eating a bunch,
		
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			then this person will not have any blame
		
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			because Allah is forgiving and merciful.
		
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			So the principle in Islam from this verse
		
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			is that you are allowed to even eat
		
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			pork
		
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			when you are driven to necessity.
		
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			So even though the original rule is you're
		
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			not supposed to eat pork, if there's a
		
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			need or a necessity,
		
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			then you're allowed to do that in order
		
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			to preserve your life. Therefore, even though we
		
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			have other hadiths which are saying that, you
		
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			know, breaking the bone of a dead person
		
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			is considered to be a sin or human,
		
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			you know, hair transplantation is considered to be
		
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			a sin, when there is a need for
		
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			it that's gonna actually be a necessity in
		
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			order to someone's life is in danger,
		
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			then there's gonna be an exception to even
		
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			eat pork. Why wouldn't there be an exception
		
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			for, you know, even dealing with a dead
		
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			body or something like that? So that
		
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			those are the main,
		
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			verses and hadiths that are used in this
		
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			discussion. K? So now
		
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			there have been a lot there's been a
		
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			lot of discussion
		
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			on
		
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			this among Muslim scholars, And I wanna give
		
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			you a history of transplant surgery to make
		
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			you understand
		
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			why there's a history of fatwas and why
		
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			it matters to trace those fatwas. So let's
		
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			take a look at the history
		
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			of transplant surgery and how it how it's
		
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			evolved over time, k,
		
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			so that we can see the fatwas and
		
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			how they've evolved over time and how they
		
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			continue to evolve over time. So,
		
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			for my research, the first skin transplant that
		
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			we know of in modern times was done
		
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			in 18/69.
		
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			K? And then in 1906,
		
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			the first transplant of a cornea was performed.
		
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			Alright? So I want you to think about
		
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			that. Between 18
		
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			69 and 1906,
		
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			guess how many Muslim scholars are gonna be
		
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			talking about cornea transplants?
		
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			None. Because it didn't happen. Right? So if
		
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			it doesn't exist, they're not gonna be discussing
		
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			it. It's not a really important issue unless
		
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			they're just discussing it in theory. What if
		
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			one person's eye was moved into another person's
		
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			eye, but they're not able to do it
		
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			until
		
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			1906?
		
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			And then 1954
		
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			was the first successful kidney transplant
		
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			to an identical twin.
		
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			So what you're gonna see is you're gonna
		
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			say, well, wait a minute. What what about
		
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			those Muslim scholars from Al Azhar and, you
		
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			know, other universities and school? Why why didn't
		
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			the scholars in the 19 thirties 19 forties?
		
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			Why weren't they giving us fatwas and discussions?
		
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			Fatwas is a religious verdict. Right? Why weren't
		
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			they doing research papers on kidney transplants?
		
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			Because they weren't actually successfully done at that
		
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			time. Right? So if the literature
		
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			is lacking,
		
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			it's because the research the the the ability
		
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			to do that was actually lacking until this
		
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			time.
		
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			1962
		
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			was the first kidney, lung, and liver transplants,
		
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			recovered from deceased donors.
		
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			So the the first ones were done by
		
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			living donors.
		
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			Now we have 1962, 1963.
		
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			We have
		
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			from deceased donors coming. So now all of
		
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			a sudden, look, the fatwas
		
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			that are being given in the 19 fifties
		
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			are not focusing on deceased donors, people who
		
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			have already died and were extracting their organs.
		
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			Why?
		
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			Because that was not something that was even
		
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			being done. So it starts to become an
		
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			issue after the 19 sixties. So now it
		
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			gets presented. 1963
		
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			was the first organ recovery from a brain
		
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			dead donor. And I'm gonna explain what brain
		
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			death is. It's a very, very important topic,
		
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			which I'm gonna address today in detail.
		
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			1967
		
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			was the first successful liver transplant.
		
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			67 was the first heart transplant as well.
		
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			68, bone marrow transplant.
		
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			68.
		
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			1968 was the first definition
		
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			of brain death
		
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			that was based on neurological
		
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			criteria
		
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			by,
		
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			Harvard Medical School ad hoc committee that was
		
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			there to decide what the issue of brain
		
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			death is. So I'm gonna explain what brain
		
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			death is in detail, but just understand that
		
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			the concept of brain death
		
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			really became prevalent in 1968,
		
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			and it took a lot of time to
		
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			even catch up. So it's a fairly new
		
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			issue. K?
		
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			1976,
		
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			they discovered
		
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			cyclosporin.
		
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			It had the ability to suppress the immune
		
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			system
		
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			that will actually prevent the rejection of transplanted
		
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			organs. So now a lot of these have
		
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			been rejected. It's not a very successful surgery.
		
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			Now things start to change. Now it becomes
		
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			more successful.
		
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			So the discussion is gonna be different now
		
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			that it's becoming more of a successful surgery.
		
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			1990,
		
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			1st living donor lung transplant was performed.
		
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			1998,
		
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			1st successful hand transplant was performed in France.
		
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			And in 2,010,
		
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			the first successful
		
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			full face transplant
		
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			was conducted in Spain. Entire face was
		
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			transplanted. And now, actually, I I think a
		
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			head has been transplanted already. I forgot which
		
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			country it was. So it just continues to
		
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			evolve. And now the question becomes, well, wait
		
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			a minute. What if you have somebody else's
		
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			head?
		
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			Right? Like, what is what does Islam say
		
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			about that? Right? It's not even your own
		
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			head.
		
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			It's gonna get to a point where,
		
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			not in the near future,
		
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			we may actually have
		
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			so many different body parts of other people,
		
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			and we may actually have different body parts
		
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			which are not even they're robotic.
		
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			So the question becomes, well, what at which
		
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			point
		
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			are you not really you anymore?
		
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			Right? What constitutes you?
		
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			Right? Where you know, where is the definition
		
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			of you as a person
		
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			versus you being part of another person versus
		
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			you being part of a machine?
		
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			Right? So that's actually,
		
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			something that we should probably start discussing now
		
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			as Muslim scholars,
		
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			because it's coming and it's very it's it's
		
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			it's around the corner.
		
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			But let's focus on, organ donation for today.
		
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			So if we look at that, you see
		
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			how things have been progressing over time. So
		
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			if you go and you look and say,
		
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			okay. Well, wait a minute.
		
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			When did Muslim scholars start discussing these things?
		
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			When did they start talking about these things?
		
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			Well, they started talking about them as soon
		
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			as
		
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			these,
		
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			procedures
		
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			became common.
		
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			So what happens is people in the medical
		
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			community,
		
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			especially Muslims in the medical community, in the
		
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			medical field, they're gonna go to Muslim scholars
		
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			and say, well, wait a minute. You know,
		
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			what does Islam say about this? Right? Because
		
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			it's not default everything is allowed. These these
		
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			are serious moral considerations
		
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			that we have. When when we say moral
		
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			considerations Islamic considerations
		
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			in Sharia in Islamic law,
		
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			The people who are doing this, mostly from
		
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			Western countries,
		
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			they also are concerned about the morality
		
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			and the the ethics involved in transplanting some
		
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			of these things. So they go to their
		
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			philosophers,
		
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			and they say, we need
		
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			some guidance on what are the ethical implications
		
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			of
		
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			transplanting these things
		
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			because they don't necessarily have a religion. So
		
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			people who are secular, they don't have a
		
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			religion. They don't go to religious authority. So
		
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			they go to their philosophers
		
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			who are their ethical, moral philosophers to say,
		
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			hey.
		
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			What do you say about this? Right? So
		
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			they're discussing it, and Muslim scholars are discussing
		
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			it, while Western ethicists are discussing it at
		
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			the same time. K? This is important to
		
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			understand.
		
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			So what do you find? So Muslim scholars,
		
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			they go back.
		
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			When Muslim scholars get this issue, they go
		
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			back and they say, well, what did Muslim
		
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			scholars of the past
		
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			talk about? Did they ever discuss anything
		
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			that somewhat resembles
		
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			these issues?
		
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			That we can kind of find some type
		
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			of analogy so that we can understand how
		
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			to think about these issues. Rather than just
		
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			saying we just go to Quran and hadith
		
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			directly and we figure it out on our
		
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			own, we go back to our intellectual history
		
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			to see what have other people done. And
		
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			you know what? Western ethicists who are secular,
		
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			they have no religion, they do the same
		
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			thing. They go back and say, let's read
		
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			what Aristotle and Plato and, you know, all
		
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			of these other philosophers
		
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			had said about these type of issues so
		
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			that we're not starting from scratch.
		
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			So Muslim scholars do the same thing. They
		
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			go back, and some of the things they
		
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			found was they found, for example,
		
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			Imam Samarkandi. He wrote a book called.
		
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			In volume 4, page 261,
		
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			he mentions an issue.
		
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			He's a Hanafi scholar. He mentions an issue.
		
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			He lived about,
		
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			300, 400, maybe 900 years ago, something like
		
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			that.
		
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			He says, if a pregnant woman died
		
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			and the child in her stomach is still
		
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			alive,
		
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			then her stomach should be cut open
		
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			in order to take the child out because
		
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			in that is saving the life of a
		
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			human, thus the sanctity of a human body
		
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			will be overlooked.
		
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			So you see what he's saying? He's saying,
		
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			look, we know in Islam, we have these
		
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			hadiths. We know we have to honor the
		
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			sanctity of the human body. We should not
		
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			desecrate it. But if a woman dies and
		
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			there's a child in there, we have to
		
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			choose between 2. And what we're gonna do
		
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			is we're gonna cut open that body. It
		
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			doesn't matter if we're desecrating the body because
		
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			there's a greater benefit there. Therefore, we have
		
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			permission to go ahead and do that. Then
		
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			we look at Imam Nawawi again. Lived about
		
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			700,
		
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			years ago or something like that.
		
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			Imam Nawawi, the same one I was mentioning,
		
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			he wrote this in his book called Al
		
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			Mujhmuh. He talks about teeth transplantation.
		
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			He talks about bone transplantation,
		
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			which was happening probably during the time of
		
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			Muslims, you know, when they were in their
		
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			golden age. Muslims were very advanced in science
		
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			and in medical practice. So he talks about
		
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			teeth transplantation,
		
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			bone transplantation.
		
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			Can you change this from one person to
		
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			another, and then what categories and circumstances,
		
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			and all of that stuff? So you have
		
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			a discussion on that. Then you have another,
		
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			book called al Fataw al Hindiya,
		
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			or Fataw al al Mihiriyya, which is a
		
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			group of Muslim scholars came together in India.
		
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			This is about,
		
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			again, like, 600, 700 years ago, something like
		
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			that, and they discussed this issue.
		
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			And they said,
		
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			if a person feared death
		
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			due to hunger
		
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			and another person said to him so let's
		
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			say you're you're afraid of death, you think
		
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			you're dying, another person comes along and says,
		
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			cut off my hand and you can eat
		
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			it.
		
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			The Muslim scholars are thinking about this, say,
		
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			what should we say? Or the person says,
		
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			you can cut off part of me and
		
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			you could eat you could eat part of
		
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			me because you're dying,
		
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			Says it will be unlawful for him to
		
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			do so. So the Hanafi scholars at that
		
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			time, they said he's not gonna be allowed
		
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			to do that. And he says similarly,
		
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			it is impermissible for a desperate person who's
		
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			starving to cut part of his own self
		
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			off and eat it.
		
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			He says, you can eat pork,
		
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			you can drink alcohol,
		
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			but you can't cut off part of your
		
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			own body and eat it. But then they
		
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			said, but this is one opinion
		
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			at the time.
		
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			According to Imam al Shafi'i, another very famous
		
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			scholar, he said it is permissible for a
		
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			person who is dying out of hunger
		
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			to consume the meat of another person. You
		
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			can actually eat the human flesh of another
		
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			person. Right? So the scholars look at this
		
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			and they say, okay. Well, wait a minute.
		
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			Okay.
		
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			We're seeing a bunch
		
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			of religious rulings or fatwas
		
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			like this where we can kind of get
		
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			an understanding of the issue where there has
		
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			been some discussion,
		
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			where there has been some difference of opinion,
		
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			and all of that stuff. So they go
		
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			and they look at that. They look at
		
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			the hadith that we talked about. They look
		
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			at the verses that we talk about, and
		
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			they said, now let's try to understand what
		
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			kind of, you know, things are being done,
		
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			and let's come up with a conclusion of
		
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			what we wanna say. So to summarize,
		
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			in a nutshell, here is a list of
		
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			most of the main fatwas
		
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			coming out from the Muslim world
		
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			on organ transplantation.
		
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			So 1959
		
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			we have earlier ones documented, but I just
		
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			have from 19 59. So from 1959,
		
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			you have the Grand Mufti of Egypt.
		
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			He says that,
		
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			cornea transplants because that's the first one that
		
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			was happening. He said cornea transplants are permissible.
		
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			We don't have many you don't have kidney
		
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			transplants. You don't have lung transplants at this
		
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			time. So they're not really talking about that.
		
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			They're talking about cornea transplants. It's permissible.
		
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			Alright. Then you have the next grand Mufti
		
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			of Egypt in 1966.
		
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			He says that, yes, the other organ donations
		
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			are permissible, but we need conditions.
		
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			You cannot trade in organs. You cannot be
		
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			selling organs. There need to be other restrictions
		
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			and all of that. K? So that happens
		
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			in Egypt. Then you have 1967, the following
		
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			year, Mufti Mohammed,
		
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			Shafi'a.
		
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			Right? He is the grand Mufti of Pakistan.
		
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			He issues,
		
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			he writes a pamphlet,
		
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			and he says organ donation is prohibited. Keep
		
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			in mind, 1967.
		
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			K? So what you do is you realize
		
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			that he's,
		
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			he's someone who
		
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			greatly influences
		
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			the Indo Pak subcontinent,
		
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			scholars at the time. And his son is
		
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			the famous scholar Mufti Takki Usmani, who's very
		
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			well known in the world today,
		
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			who, you know, until recently, he was abstaining
		
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			from issuing a verdict on this issue. Then
		
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			you have 1969.
		
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			You have an international conference in Malaysia
		
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			who says that organ donation is permissible in
		
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			general.
		
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			And then the Algiers Supreme Islamic Council says
		
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			it's permissible.
		
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			And then you have a bunch of other
		
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			people. Supreme council for fatwas in Jordan says
		
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			it's permissible. Senior olema council in Saudi Arabia
		
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			says it's permissible.
		
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			You know, the next fatwa you you so
		
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			you have all these fatwas coming down all
		
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			the way from different groups, sometimes from an
		
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			individual scholar,
		
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			sometimes from a group and collective scholar from
		
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			a country.
		
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			And what happens is
		
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			that
		
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			while the technology is changing,
		
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			sometimes the fatwa is changing. K? So we're
		
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			gonna see that in a moment.
		
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			Now out of this list, the most influential
		
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			bodies that exist over here are a few.
		
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			One of them is the IIFA
		
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			of the OIC.
		
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			IIFA IIFA is the Islamic Fit Academy
		
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			of the OIC. OIC is the Organisation For
		
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			Islamic Cooperation or something like that. It's like
		
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			the group of all these Muslim countries.
		
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			It was established in 1981 in Jeddah, which
		
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			is in Saudi Arabia,
		
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			and they ruled that live
		
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			donation
		
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			and cadaveric donation, meaning deceased donation, is allowed
		
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			in principle.
		
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			But then they're they put a bunch of,
		
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			you know, conditions there, but they said, generally,
		
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			it's allowed.
		
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			This fatwa is one of the most prominent
		
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			fatwas
		
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			that exists in terms of the one that
		
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			people quote so much. It's from 19,
		
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			it's from 1988,
		
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			Islamic fic Academy, book of decrees. It's even
		
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			quoted on the government's website, organ donor.gov.
		
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			If you look at the religions,
		
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			they quote this fatwa and say, see, it's
		
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			permissible for Muslims to go ahead and donate
		
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			organs according to this fatwa where you have
		
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			representation
		
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			of many different scholars coming from many different
		
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			parts of the world. So they say in
		
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			principle.
		
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			But then if you read the fatwa very
		
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			clearly,
		
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			they have this wording here, and they say,
		
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			all cases having to do with this topic
		
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			are subject to further research and discussion,
		
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			and they should be studied and discussed in
		
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			a future session in the light of medical
		
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			data and Islamic rulings. So they're saying this
		
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			is kind of like a preliminary
		
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			statement that we're giving you, but we need
		
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			a lot more, you know, detail. We need
		
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			more research. We need this. We need that.
		
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			So don't assume that this is like some
		
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			kind of
		
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			be all, end all binding type of thing.
		
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			K? The second most influential,
		
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			body is the IFC, the Islamic Fiqh Council,
		
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			from the Muslim World League, which was established
		
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			in 1977
		
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			in Mecca.
		
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			Also
		
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			has scholars coming from around the entire world
		
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			all meeting in Mecca discussing issues like this.
		
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			So in 1987, they had a fatwa that
		
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			was released, which says basically the same thing,
		
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			that live donation
		
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			and, cadaveric donation, deceased donation is allowed
		
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			in principle.
		
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			K? So you have these 2 very prominent
		
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			bodies
		
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			saying that it is permissible
		
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			to,
		
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			you know, have organ donation, kidney transplants, whether
		
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			the body has died or whether the person
		
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			is alive, they're it's all allowed, k, with
		
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			some conditions, which we'll talk about.
		
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			But then you have
		
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			some very prominent
		
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			scholars
		
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			who said no, and they disagreed.
		
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			One of them was, I said, Mufti Shafir.
		
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			Right? The grand Mufti of Pakistan in 1964.
		
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			He says it doesn't matter whether it's medically
		
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			necessary or it's not necessary.
		
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			It is not Allah. He's used the hadith
		
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			of breaking the bone of a dead person.
		
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			He says that Allah owns your body, and
		
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			you cannot give another part of your body
		
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			to anyone else.
		
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			And then he gives, you know, some other
		
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			explanation.
		
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			So he was a person who was very
		
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			prominent in Pakistan
		
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			and and in India, right, and in Bangladesh,
		
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			I assume, that
		
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			who's really set the tone for many people
		
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			saying, no. This should not be allowed.
		
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			We should not be doing this organ donation.
		
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			The second one
		
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			is Sheikh Shahrawi in Egypt. So those of
		
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			you who have ever heard of Sheikh Shahrawi,
		
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			he's a very probably the most famous scholar,
		
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			popular scholar that ever came out of Egypt.
		
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			He used to be on a TV show.
		
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			He used to have a tafsir program, the
		
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			most widely watched, you know, TV show in
		
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			Egypt at the time. They say that this
		
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			the the the streets would just, like, shut
		
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			down during his TV program. He's very, very
		
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			popular. He just died recently in 1998.
		
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			So Sheikh Shahrawi,
		
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			he also believed that organ transplantation
		
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			was impermissible in all forms.
		
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			And the reason why he said that was
		
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			he said that human beings do not own
		
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			their bodies. They are trust from God, and
		
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			you cannot give it to someone else. And
		
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			his opinion became very widespread on TV because
		
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			one time, he just spontaneously during one of
		
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			his TV shows, he just addressed it in
		
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			an interview, and he said he said, how
		
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			can you give a kidney
		
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			that you yourself do not even own in
		
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			the first place?
		
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			Right? So and then he talked about suicide
		
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			and all of these things. And what happened
		
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			was is that when they interviewed
		
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			Egyptians
		
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			who were refusing,
		
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			organ donation or against the idea, they asked
		
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			and said, well, why are you against it?
		
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			So Sheikh Shar always said so. Right? He's
		
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			a very, very popular,
		
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			scholar.
		
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			Well, I mean, he's a graduate
		
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			of of Al Azhar. Right? So to say
		
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			he's mufassir and not faqih,
		
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			again,
		
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			he he he's he's a he's a graduate
		
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			from Al Azhar. He may not be a
		
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			specialist,
		
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			in these issues. But this is a, you
		
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			know, this is a hamdah. This is his
		
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			opinion.
		
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			Then you have the Islamic FICC Academy of
		
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			India in 1989. They
		
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			said that deceased donation
		
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			is prohibited,
		
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			but live donation is allowed. So you see
		
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			the, you know, very prominent Fiq Council in
		
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			India.
		
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			And then you have
		
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			the Grand Ayatollah Sistani,
		
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			who is the leader of the Shias of
		
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			Iraq. Not Iran.
		
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			The leader of the Shias in Iraq. He
		
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			said it is not permissible to remove any
		
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			organ from the dead body of a Muslim,
		
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			right, for transplant or or anything like that.
		
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			And he has a whole fatwa against that.
		
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			So he says this is not allowed, and
		
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			he's very staunch,
		
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			against that. Now you notice that in Iran,
		
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			it's different, and in Iraq,
		
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			it's different. And these are the Shia Shia
		
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			school or the Shia sect in that sense.
		
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			So these are the most popular fatwas that
		
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			are pro
		
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			and the most popular fatwas that are against.
		
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			Or you could say the most influential
		
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			that influenced the Muslim community
		
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			around the world.
		
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			Then you find I'll I'll take questions at
		
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			the end, unless it's directly related. It's like
		
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			a clarification.
		
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			Oh, go ahead.
		
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			Oh oh, so, yeah, the son Mufti
		
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			Ismani is the son of the grand Mufti,
		
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			he
		
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			he said
		
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			that I don't have an opinion. Recently, he
		
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			said I don't have an opinion on this
		
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			issue.
		
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			Although I think there's there might be some
		
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			leeway for it. I'm undecided.
		
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			But that's what he said. So he's not
		
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			following his father's opinion. He's not against it,
		
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			but he's not coming out and saying he's
		
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			for it yet either. So that's the one.
		
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			And then you have the Islamic Religious Council
		
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			of Singapore.
		
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			Alright? In
		
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			1973,
		
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			they issued a fatwa which says that
		
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			if you make a pledge in the form
		
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			of a will
		
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			and you say that you wanna give some
		
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			of your organs,
		
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			it is not allowed
		
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			because
		
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			you have to honor the human body, and
		
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			this is dishonoring the human body. 1973.
		
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			And then what happened is in 1985,
		
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			they reconsidered. And they said, now that we
		
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			under now that there's medical advancements and you
		
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			saw the chart before. You saw, you know,
		
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			the different things being done. Now that there's
		
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			medical advancements, we have reconsidered our position,
		
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			and it is allowed.
		
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			And we were just saying the previous fatwa
		
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			because we were concerned
		
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			about we wanted to be a little bit
		
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			on the safe side because we we still
		
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			were not sure what's gonna happen in terms
		
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			of technology and all of that. But they
		
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			said now it's allowed because protecting human life
		
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			is more important than protecting the dignity of
		
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			the body, just like what,
		
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			Imam Samarkandhi had said, you know,
		
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			centuries ago. Right?
		
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			Then there's another fatwa that came out of
		
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			England, out of the UK, and there's fatwas
		
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			that coming out of the Netherlands and many
		
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			European countries.
		
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			And what you find is that these fatwas
		
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			issued by Muslim scholars
		
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			tend to be influenced
		
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			by
		
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			political circumstances.
		
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			So it's it's unfortunate. So what you find
		
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			is, for example, in England,
		
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			there's a bunch of people who hate Muslims.
		
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			We call them Islamophobes or Islam haters. Right?
		
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			They started saying that, hey. You know what?
		
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			In in England, there's a very large population
		
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			of Indo Pakistani,
		
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			you know, Muslims.
		
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			So if they're following
		
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			either the India Fiqh Council or they're following
		
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			Mufti Mohammed Shafir,
		
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			and they're saying that we don't we don't
		
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			do donation, then you see that that's one
		
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			of the reasons why,
		
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			donations may be low. And that's not the
		
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			only reason. Again, we said there's culture, there's
		
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			family pressure, there's this, there's that. So many
		
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			different reasons. So the peep so these Islam
		
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			haters in England and in the Netherlands, they
		
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			said, well, you know what? We need to
		
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			pass a new law. And the new law
		
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			is gonna be specifically
		
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			for Muslims.
		
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			That since Muslims
		
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			supposedly
		
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			are very low they're the lowest in the,
		
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			organ donor category of people who are signing
		
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			up to be organ donors, which is not
		
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			true, by the way, but they claim that.
		
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			Said, therefore,
		
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			we should not allow them to have organs
		
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			if they're not gonna sign up for the
		
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			organ,
		
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			you know, donor list as well.
		
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			So the Muslim scholars looked at that, and
		
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			they said, woah. Now we have a problem.
		
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			This becomes part of Islamophobia.
		
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			This becomes part of discriminating against Muslims in
		
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			particular, and this rule is designed to actually
		
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			cause Muslims a problem. So what ended up
		
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			happening was is that,
		
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			you know, some of the Muslim scholars, they
		
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			said, now we have a problem. We're trying
		
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			to survive
		
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			as Muslims as a minority in Europe, and
		
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			we're being discriminated against. And we're a small
		
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			minority, and we need to do something which
		
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			is going to, you know,
		
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			establish ourselves
		
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			in Europe. So what happens now is you
		
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			find that there's more leniency
		
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			in kind
		
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			of adopting and acknowledging
		
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			any type of
		
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			general medical practice that comes out
		
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			in order to kind of appease the society,
		
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			of, you know, making sure that, you know,
		
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			we can exist and remain in Europe and
		
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			all of that. But what you found is
		
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			when you find researchers who actually investigated this,
		
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			they said that,
		
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			one of the most common
		
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			reasons
		
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			for not wanting to be an organ donor
		
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			is not just religion. It's actually,
		
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			one of the most common reasons of wanting
		
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			to donate an organ in your community
		
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			is feeling a sense of solidarity
		
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			with the broader community
		
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			and believing that donated organs are put to
		
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			good use.
		
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			Right? It's a precondition.
		
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			Now the problem is if you study Muslims
		
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			in Europe
		
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			and you ask them
		
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			whether they feel a sense of solidarity with
		
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			the general Muslim community outside of England maybe,
		
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			you look at France, you look at Spain,
		
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			you look at Italy, you look at the
		
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			Netherlands,
		
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			you'll find that Muslims in Europe are very
		
00:38:04 --> 00:38:06
			different from Muslims in America.
		
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			They tend to be
		
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			you know, there was immigration and more blue
		
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			collar workers and all, but they tend to
		
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			be more marginalized,
		
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			especially in places like France, even in Germany,
		
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			even in especially Netherlands, especially Spain, especially Italy.
		
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			They're very marginalized, so you can see that
		
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			it's not only a religious factor that is
		
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			causing them to not be so interested
		
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			in donating organs per se, but it's actually
		
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			part of their sense of solidarity
		
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			they feel with that community
		
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			that exists.
		
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			So you have this,
		
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			few fatwas that were passed in Europe
		
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			that are very,
		
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			much
		
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			not in line or they're more accommodating,
		
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			than you find all the other fatwas coming
		
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			out of the Muslim world. And this is
		
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			one of the reasons for it because politics
		
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			plays a role
		
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			in giving a fatwa
		
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			when Muslims are living as a minority and
		
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			they feel they're a persecuted minority and they
		
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			feel that, you know, when they're trying to
		
00:39:04 --> 00:39:06
			decide between this and that, it's a little
		
00:39:06 --> 00:39:08
			bit of a gray area. They wanna kind
		
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			of
		
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			choose the gray area on the side where
		
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			it's gonna be in their own best interest
		
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			from a political perspective. So we have to
		
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			keep all of those things in mind when
		
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			we're analyzing these fatwas and understanding them. So
		
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			with that,
		
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			there are certain subissues.
		
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			Right? So so, again, going back to this
		
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			list. If you look at the list across
		
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			the board,
		
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			the vast majority I know it's kinda small.
		
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			The vast majority of all of these bodies
		
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			have said that it is permissible in principle.
		
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			Organ donation is permissible in principle. The vast
		
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			majority.
		
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			Now the minority
		
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			is a small minority, but it's a significant
		
00:39:44 --> 00:39:45
			minority.
		
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			K? So it's not just like some dismissed
		
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			minority. It's a significant minority.
		
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			But at the same time,
		
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			people should not
		
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			confuse this and think that because you have
		
00:39:55 --> 00:39:57
			all the x boxes checked in the permissible
		
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			category,
		
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			that this is some kind of blanket approval
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:02
			that all of these people are saying that,
		
00:40:02 --> 00:40:03
			you know, it's okay.
		
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			So there's a paper that came out by,
		
00:40:06 --> 00:40:07
			van Vandenbranden
		
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			and,
		
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			Brocaheart,
		
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			Brokart.
		
00:40:13 --> 00:40:16
			Alright? Vanden, Brandon and Brokart in 2011,
		
00:40:16 --> 00:40:18
			they said we analyzed
		
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			70
		
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			English
		
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			in addition to the old ones. Right? And
		
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			we subjected them to an in-depth text analysis
		
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			in order to reveal the key concepts
		
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			in the Islamic ethical framework regarding organ donation
		
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			and blood transfusion.
		
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			And what they said was, our analysis shows
		
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			that all 70 fatwas
		
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			allowed for organ donation and blood transfusion.
		
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			What they didn't mention
		
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			is the detailed conditions that were attached to
		
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			the permissibility of that. So that's what we're
		
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			gonna go through now. K? So, hopefully, the
		
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			first topic is, is it allowed or is
		
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			it not allowed? But then what are the
		
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			conditions under which it's allowed? It's very important
		
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			to go through that. So the first condition
		
00:41:01 --> 00:41:03
			is pretty simple, is that there must be
		
00:41:03 --> 00:41:05
			a genuine medical need,
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:08
			right, and there should be no harm done.
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:10
			It's a general principle in Islam, that there's
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:12
			a need or a necessity, and there's no
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:14
			harm. So what does that mean? So for
		
00:41:14 --> 00:41:16
			example, in some of the fatas you find,
		
00:41:16 --> 00:41:18
			it says it's haram to tran haram means
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:19
			prohibited.
		
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			It is haram to transplant an organ
		
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			on which life depends,
		
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			such as transplanting the heart from a living
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:28
			person to another person. Now you say, well,
		
00:41:28 --> 00:41:30
			that's pretty obvious. Right? Why would you even
		
00:41:30 --> 00:41:32
			need that fatwa? Well, you need that fatwa
		
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			because
		
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			there's gonna be people
		
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			who are living in societies where powerful people,
		
00:41:39 --> 00:41:40
			wealthy people
		
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			are potentially gonna
		
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			influence or coerce or convince someone
		
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			to give their heart out
		
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			for the sake of donating,
		
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			you say, we're gonna take care of your
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:53
			entire extended family, and there are people who
		
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			would sign up for that.
		
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			So what happens is this photo, which seems
		
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			like it's not even needed, you know, when
		
00:41:59 --> 00:42:01
			you first read it, it's actually very important.
		
00:42:01 --> 00:42:03
			It's very important to clarify that you cannot
		
00:42:03 --> 00:42:06
			do that under the principle of no harm.
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:08
			Let me give it to you. First one,
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:09
			under the principle of no harm. So no
		
00:42:09 --> 00:42:10
			harm to the donor.
		
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			The second is
		
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			that
		
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			if you're giving an organ from a living
		
00:42:16 --> 00:42:17
			person
		
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			and its removal is gonna cause an essential
		
00:42:20 --> 00:42:22
			function to seize,
		
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			even though his life doesn't depend on it,
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:26
			you are not allowed to do that. So
		
00:42:26 --> 00:42:28
			for example, can you take the core both
		
00:42:28 --> 00:42:30
			corneas of the eyes?
		
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			If you take one cornea of the eye,
		
00:42:31 --> 00:42:33
			at least you have one eye you can
		
00:42:33 --> 00:42:33
			still function.
		
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			You can donate that potentially. Right? But you
		
00:42:37 --> 00:42:40
			cannot take both. If you take both, it's
		
00:42:40 --> 00:42:42
			essential function of life to be able to
		
00:42:42 --> 00:42:42
			see.
		
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			You're gonna lose both corneas,
		
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			you're gonna be a problem. So they said
		
00:42:46 --> 00:42:48
			that is prohibited because you're giving up an
		
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			essential function of life. You should not be
		
00:42:51 --> 00:42:53
			allowed to do that. Now that's important because,
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:55
			again, you're gonna have the same issue. You're
		
00:42:55 --> 00:42:57
			gonna have people in societies who are pressuring,
		
00:42:57 --> 00:42:59
			you know, powerful people or wealthy people are
		
00:42:59 --> 00:43:01
			pressuring other people to give that up, and
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:03
			they say, look. I'm willing to give up
		
00:43:03 --> 00:43:03
			my eyesight
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:05
			in order to get my family out of
		
00:43:05 --> 00:43:07
			poverty. People would be willing to do that,
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:09
			and they say, no. This is not allowed
		
00:43:09 --> 00:43:11
			under this principle. So the idea of genuine
		
00:43:11 --> 00:43:13
			medical need, the idea of no harm either
		
00:43:13 --> 00:43:15
			to the recipient or to the donor,
		
00:43:16 --> 00:43:18
			it's a pretty basic one, pretty much agreed
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:19
			upon by everyone.
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:22
			The next one is absolute respect to the
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:23
			human body.
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:25
			So what does that mean?
		
00:43:25 --> 00:43:28
			It means that the process of organ donation
		
00:43:28 --> 00:43:31
			needs to uphold the dignity and the honor
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:34
			of the dead human being. Right? So we're
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36
			talking about the human body. When you're alive,
		
00:43:36 --> 00:43:37
			you know, they're gonna cut you up and
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:38
			then show you back together. But what about
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:41
			the dead body? The dead body, when it's
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:42
			cut up, it needs to be
		
00:43:43 --> 00:43:46
			done in a way that's apps actually necessary.
		
00:43:46 --> 00:43:48
			Right? There's a genuine medical need of cutting
		
00:43:48 --> 00:43:49
			up that body.
		
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			And you're gonna make sure that you're honoring
		
00:43:51 --> 00:43:53
			that body by making sure you put it
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:55
			back together properly, and
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:57
			a correct burial is gonna take place. There's
		
00:43:57 --> 00:43:58
			no x,
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:01
			unnecessary delay in the burial and and so
		
00:44:01 --> 00:44:02
			many you know, so on and so forth.
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:04
			Like, in Islam, we don't we're not allowed
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:06
			to cremate bodies. We're not allowed to desecrate
		
00:44:06 --> 00:44:07
			bodies and stuff like that.
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11
			So this becomes a problem, actually. The reason
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:12
			why it becomes a problem is you have
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:15
			1 Muslim family. You know, we were sitting
		
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			in a group of, scholars at the FICC
		
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			Council of North America discussing an issue, and
		
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			one of the peep one of the imams
		
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			was there and said, I have some member
		
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			of my community
		
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			whose son,
		
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			signed the donor card
		
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			and died in a car accident.
		
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			They took his body.
		
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			It was a teenager. They took his body,
		
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			and when the body came back,
		
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			everything was gone. All the organs,
		
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			all the bones were gone.
		
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			Even the muscles were taken out. It was
		
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			like a bundle of skin given back to
		
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			the to the family.
		
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			The family was very disappointed. So what what
		
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			is this? You know? What did you do?
		
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			And they said, well, you know, he signed
		
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			the donor card, and, that's what happened. So
		
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			I said, well, this would be an example
		
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			of not absolute respect to the human body.
		
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			To what extent was that necessary? To what
		
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			extent was that something that was,
		
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			you know
		
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			you know, something important? So that becomes,
		
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			an issue.
		
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			Another issue,
		
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			is
		
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			and this is not only for Muslims. So
		
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			there was another guy by the name of
		
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			George
		
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			Eisenweiss.
		
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			He died in 2011.
		
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			So you have this in court courthouse news.
		
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			So there was a lawsuit that was filed
		
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			against the California transplant donor network.
		
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			And the reason why there was a lawsuit
		
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			is because
		
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			the family said, yes, we're gonna give his
		
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			body to take some of the organs out,
		
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			but
		
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			we insist
		
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			that we want to make sure that the
		
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			body is still intact
		
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			so that we can have an open casket
		
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			funeral.
		
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			So now in Islam, we don't do this
		
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			open casket thing. Right? Okay. But, you know,
		
00:45:53 --> 00:45:55
			in many Christians and other religions, they do
		
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			the open casket and they do wanna decorate
		
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			and they want everyone to see. So they
		
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			say we want the body back in a
		
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			way that we can do an open casket
		
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			so that everyone can see and it's still
		
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			body looks good? And they say, yeah. Yeah.
		
00:46:07 --> 00:46:09
			No. Don't worry about it. You know? And
		
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			then it comes back and the body is,
		
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			like, you know, while the open casket is
		
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			going on, like, he's bleeding, your hand is
		
00:46:15 --> 00:46:17
			missing, your leg is missing, All sorts of
		
00:46:17 --> 00:46:19
			things. And they're like, wait. What happened here?
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21
			Like so they filed a lawsuit against them
		
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			and say, you promised us that you were
		
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			gonna do such and such thing, but you
		
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			didn't. So what's happening is you find that
		
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			the Islamic
		
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			definition
		
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			of respect, absolute respect to the human body,
		
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			is different
		
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			than the American definition of respect to the
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:38
			human body. So they're gonna say, yeah. Yeah.
		
00:46:38 --> 00:46:40
			We're gonna respect the body. But there's a
		
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			different type of respect that they have in
		
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			terms of our standards and in terms of
		
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			their standards. So that's another problem.
		
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			K? So that's something to keep in mind.
		
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			So when people sign up for the donor
		
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			card, they always ask you, you sign up?
		
00:46:52 --> 00:46:54
			Do you not sign up? It's state by
		
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			state whether you can opt out, whether you
		
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			can restrict things, whether they're gonna even, you
		
00:46:59 --> 00:47:01
			know, follow through on what you want
		
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			versus whether they're gonna do what they think
		
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			is best and then tell you, hey. We
		
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			respected the body. It suffices.
		
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			K? The third one is no reproductive organs.
		
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			So this is pretty much agreed upon that
		
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			you cannot
		
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			transplant
		
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			reproductive organs because they're carrying genetic inheritance
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:20
			from the donor.
		
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			So, you know, all of the internal *
		
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			organs and stuff like that, you cannot transplant
		
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			because what's gonna happen now is if you
		
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			have children,
		
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			what's happening with, you know, whose whose children
		
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			are these?
		
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			Anything that contains the,
		
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			the genetic material per se.
		
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			The the next one is explicit consent,
		
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			and this becomes a really big issue even
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:47
			in in in Islamic law.
		
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			So explicit consent consent means that the donor
		
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			himself, the person themself,
		
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			must be willingly giving per giving permission to
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:58
			donate that organ. But you should not be
		
00:47:58 --> 00:47:59
			coerced and forced
		
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			to decide, you know, that someone else is
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:04
			gonna make a decision on your behalf. But
		
00:48:04 --> 00:48:06
			then you have some concerns here. So
		
00:48:07 --> 00:48:08
			the question first question is,
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:11
			what if the person died
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:13
			and they did not
		
00:48:13 --> 00:48:14
			indicate their permission?
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18
			Can relatives decide on their behalf
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:20
			that this is what they want to do
		
00:48:20 --> 00:48:22
			or not? So the vast majority of scholars
		
00:48:22 --> 00:48:23
			have said no.
		
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			There are some scholars like Sheikh Tan Tawi
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:27
			from Egypt, they said yes.
		
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			They can.
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:30
			They're allowed to go ahead and say this.
		
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			Even if they didn't want it, your relatives,
		
00:48:33 --> 00:48:35
			they can go ahead and make that decision.
		
00:48:35 --> 00:48:37
			Now again, this comes with ethical problems. Right?
		
00:48:37 --> 00:48:39
			Assuming that, you know, you have some families.
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:40
			So you know what? This is really what
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:42
			they would have wanted, and maybe that's what
		
00:48:42 --> 00:48:43
			they would have wanted.
		
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			And you have some other some other families.
		
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			Always was a disobedient child.
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:50
			Let's see. Kewa, that is I I doubt
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:51
			anyone would do that. But, you know, there
		
00:48:51 --> 00:48:53
			there's gonna be a reason for that. Right?
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:56
			So the problem is who's going to decide?
		
00:48:57 --> 00:48:58
			Who has to decide?
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:01
			Are relatives allowed to decide or not? Then
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:03
			you have another issue. The Kuwait Fatwa Council
		
00:49:03 --> 00:49:04
			in 1979,
		
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			they ruled that
		
00:49:06 --> 00:49:09
			you're allowed to transport organs from the deceased
		
00:49:09 --> 00:49:12
			with or without the deceased consent, meaning the
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:12
			state
		
00:49:13 --> 00:49:14
			can decide for you
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:16
			when you die whether or not we're gonna
		
00:49:16 --> 00:49:19
			take your body. So the state has ownership
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:21
			of your body to decide even if you
		
00:49:21 --> 00:49:22
			don't want to, even if your relatives don't
		
00:49:22 --> 00:49:24
			want to. The state comes in and says,
		
00:49:24 --> 00:49:26
			we have made the decision to do that.
		
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			So it becomes a very big ethical issue.
		
00:49:27 --> 00:49:30
			So it's a it's an Islamic issue, and
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32
			it's an ethical issue among western ethicists, and
		
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			it's not been resolved. So you find that
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:36
			in some Eastern European countries, some former former
		
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			Soviet Union countries, there's a different standard than
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:41
			you find in other countries. So it becomes,
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:42
			another concern.
		
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			Then
		
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			the issue of compensation.
		
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			No compensation
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:50
			should be allowed for selling an organ. Now,
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:52
			again, if you remember the statistics that I
		
00:49:52 --> 00:49:53
			mentioned, right,
		
00:49:53 --> 00:49:56
			a person is dying every 2 hours and
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:58
			30 minutes or so, right, I mentioned,
		
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			because they can't get an organ. So I
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:02
			say, well, you know what? People are waiting.
		
00:50:02 --> 00:50:04
			So just imagine all those people who are
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:06
			on waiting lists and they're dying
		
00:50:06 --> 00:50:07
			because of organs,
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09
			they would be like, hey. Wait a minute.
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:11
			You know? I'm willing to pay whatever it
		
00:50:11 --> 00:50:13
			takes. I'll give a $1,000,000.
		
00:50:13 --> 00:50:14
			So in 1999,
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:17
			if you remember the tech boom,
		
00:50:17 --> 00:50:18
			eBay was popular.
		
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			So someone
		
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			put a listing up there, 1 functional human
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:25
			kidney on eBay,
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:27
			and the bid started going up.
		
00:50:28 --> 00:50:29
			It reached $5,700,000,
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33
			and it was not a joke. Right? Someone
		
00:50:33 --> 00:50:35
			was ready to pay on eBay $5,700,000,
		
00:50:36 --> 00:50:37
			and then eBay had to block the auction
		
00:50:37 --> 00:50:39
			and shut it down because it's not allowed
		
00:50:39 --> 00:50:42
			because it's against the law. It's against the
		
00:50:42 --> 00:50:44
			law in America. It's against the law in
		
00:50:44 --> 00:50:46
			pretty much every single country in the world
		
00:50:46 --> 00:50:47
			except what?
		
00:50:48 --> 00:50:50
			Does anyone know what country that is? It's
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:51
			not Pakistan.
		
00:50:52 --> 00:50:53
			It's not India.
		
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			It's Iran.
		
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			It's Iran. And I'm gonna come to that
		
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			right now. So
		
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			here's the issue now. K?
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:03
			The issue, first of all,
		
00:51:03 --> 00:51:04
			is that when we say
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:08
			when we say that it's you cannot receive
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:11
			or compensation for organ donation. Right? And and
		
00:51:11 --> 00:51:13
			I I just said that there's an international
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:14
			law.
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:17
			Everyone says you're not allowed to sell organs.
		
00:51:18 --> 00:51:20
			Right? The reasoning behind it is they don't
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:23
			want the rich being privileged over the poor
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:24
			when it comes to selling organs.
		
00:51:25 --> 00:51:25
			But
		
00:51:26 --> 00:51:28
			when there's, you know, there's legal loopholes.
		
00:51:29 --> 00:51:30
			And what a lot of people don't know,
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:33
			even people who are, like, hardcore, you know,
		
00:51:33 --> 00:51:35
			we're gonna sign up everyone on the organ
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:36
			donor list and, you know, they're very active
		
00:51:36 --> 00:51:38
			in politics and all that stuff, what they
		
00:51:38 --> 00:51:41
			don't know is that there's a legal loophole
		
00:51:41 --> 00:51:41
			in America,
		
00:51:43 --> 00:51:44
			in American law,
		
00:51:45 --> 00:51:47
			about selling organs. So you can't sell an
		
00:51:47 --> 00:51:47
			organ,
		
00:51:47 --> 00:51:49
			but you can sell tissue.
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:52
			So there was an article in 2012 in
		
00:51:52 --> 00:51:54
			the Huntington Post, Huffington Post
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:55
			that says
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:58
			the title of the article is abusing the
		
00:51:58 --> 00:52:00
			gift of tissue donation.
		
00:52:00 --> 00:52:02
			So basically, what they wrote was
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:05
			is that families often don't know that when
		
00:52:05 --> 00:52:06
			they okay donations
		
00:52:07 --> 00:52:08
			to nonprofit
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:08
			organizations,
		
00:52:09 --> 00:52:10
			such as the California
		
00:52:10 --> 00:52:12
			transplant donor network,
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:13
			the tissue
		
00:52:14 --> 00:52:14
			routinely,
		
00:52:15 --> 00:52:15
			regularly
		
00:52:16 --> 00:52:18
			goes to for profit companies
		
00:52:18 --> 00:52:20
			in order to feed a $1,000,000,000
		
00:52:20 --> 00:52:20
			industry
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:22
			that uses those tissues
		
00:52:23 --> 00:52:25
			from everything to repairing a knee
		
00:52:25 --> 00:52:27
			to plumping up a penis.
		
00:52:27 --> 00:52:29
			K? And then he says few states in
		
00:52:29 --> 00:52:30
			America
		
00:52:30 --> 00:52:32
			require companies,
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:35
			require that companies tell their families
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:36
			that their loved one's tissue
		
00:52:37 --> 00:52:38
			can be sold overseas.
		
00:52:39 --> 00:52:41
			They can be sent to a for profit
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:43
			company, or they can be used in cosmetic
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:46
			procedures such as wrinkle, fillers, and nose jobs.
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:49
			So what's happening is that boy I gave
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:51
			you an example, they took everything out. Right?
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:55
			There is no law in America that prevents
		
00:52:56 --> 00:52:58
			that those tissues from being sold to a
		
00:52:58 --> 00:53:00
			for profit company. In fact,
		
00:53:00 --> 00:53:02
			it is very routinely sold
		
00:53:03 --> 00:53:05
			to a for profit company, and people who
		
00:53:05 --> 00:53:05
			are,
		
00:53:06 --> 00:53:09
			you know, signing up for that don't realize
		
00:53:09 --> 00:53:11
			that their cons they don't realize that because
		
00:53:12 --> 00:53:14
			the California Transplant Donor Network is a nonprofit
		
00:53:15 --> 00:53:16
			organization. So I'm giving it to a nonprofit
		
00:53:16 --> 00:53:17
			organization,
		
00:53:17 --> 00:53:20
			but the nonprofit organization is selling it to
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:21
			a for profit corporation
		
00:53:21 --> 00:53:24
			and is exporting it to another country or
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26
			it's going into people's noses or whatever it
		
00:53:26 --> 00:53:27
			may be. And that is
		
00:53:28 --> 00:53:31
			desecration of the body, because not absolute respect
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:33
			to the human body, not for a genuine
		
00:53:33 --> 00:53:36
			medical need. So I understand people don't like
		
00:53:36 --> 00:53:36
			wrinkles,
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:40
			but cutting up someone's body in order to
		
00:53:40 --> 00:53:41
			fill your wrinkles
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:44
			is not considered to be a valid excuse
		
00:53:44 --> 00:53:46
			according to Islamic law. So that becomes a
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:49
			problem. Right? And then they said in 2,010,
		
00:53:50 --> 00:53:51
			there was a study by researchers,
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:55
			Laura Simonoff and Heather Traino, where they said
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:56
			70%
		
00:53:56 --> 00:53:58
			of donor families
		
00:53:58 --> 00:54:01
			said that they would object to a loved
		
00:54:01 --> 00:54:04
			one's tissue going to a for profit business.
		
00:54:04 --> 00:54:05
			Yet
		
00:54:05 --> 00:54:07
			fewer than 1 in 5 said that they
		
00:54:07 --> 00:54:11
			were told that the harvested tissues is actually
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:12
			going to a for profit company.
		
00:54:13 --> 00:54:14
			So there's a lack of transparency
		
00:54:15 --> 00:54:16
			in knowledge about this,
		
00:54:17 --> 00:54:17
			and
		
00:54:18 --> 00:54:21
			Muslims should not be naive with regards to
		
00:54:21 --> 00:54:21
			this as well.
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:23
			So that's when it comes to tissues. But
		
00:54:23 --> 00:54:25
			organs, you cannot sell.
		
00:54:25 --> 00:54:27
			It's not legal to sell that, except in
		
00:54:27 --> 00:54:30
			Iran. So Iran is the only
		
00:54:30 --> 00:54:32
			country or actually sorry. It may not be
		
00:54:32 --> 00:54:34
			the only country in the world. It's the
		
00:54:34 --> 00:54:36
			only quote, unquote Islamic country or country with
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:37
			majority Muslim population
		
00:54:38 --> 00:54:40
			that not only allows monetary
		
00:54:40 --> 00:54:41
			compensation
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:43
			of living unrelated donors,
		
00:54:44 --> 00:54:46
			but actually partially funds payments to the donor.
		
00:54:46 --> 00:54:49
			So the government themself will actually partially fund
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:51
			payments. Now the reason why they do that
		
00:54:51 --> 00:54:53
			again, they're from the Shia school of thought.
		
00:54:53 --> 00:54:55
			They've issued this fatwa. But Ayatollah Sistani from
		
00:54:55 --> 00:54:57
			Iraq is completely against this as well.
		
00:54:58 --> 00:55:00
			But Iran does this, and their argument is
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:02
			this. Their argument is
		
00:55:03 --> 00:55:04
			people need the organs,
		
00:55:05 --> 00:55:06
			and other people need wealth. And we're trying
		
00:55:06 --> 00:55:08
			to save life. And even though, yeah, you
		
00:55:08 --> 00:55:11
			could talk about potential exploitation of the poor
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:13
			and this and that, we are intervening,
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:16
			we are helping, and we put certain conditions
		
00:55:16 --> 00:55:19
			in there. So one condition is no one
		
00:55:19 --> 00:55:21
			under the age of 18 can do that.
		
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			No one over the age of 45 is
		
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			gonna be accepted for donation.
		
00:55:24 --> 00:55:26
			Right? And then some people will say, you
		
00:55:26 --> 00:55:28
			know, I'm sure a lot of people from
		
00:55:28 --> 00:55:30
			America, as much as they hate Iran,
		
00:55:30 --> 00:55:33
			they would love to fly over there and
		
00:55:33 --> 00:55:34
			get themselves a kidney
		
00:55:34 --> 00:55:36
			or a liver or whatever it may be.
		
00:55:36 --> 00:55:38
			But there's one more problem.
		
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40
			Iran has a rule, and they said that
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:42
			the donor and the recipient
		
00:55:42 --> 00:55:44
			needs to be from the same nationality,
		
00:55:44 --> 00:55:45
			so
		
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			tourist transplantation
		
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			is forbidden.
		
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			We will not accept anyone from outside. If
		
00:55:51 --> 00:55:52
			you're an Iranian,
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55
			you can donate to another Iranian. We don't
		
00:55:55 --> 00:55:57
			want people coming from all over the place
		
00:55:57 --> 00:55:59
			and stuff like that. K? So that is
		
00:55:59 --> 00:56:01
			so so so this becomes an issue now.
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:04
			Again, we have the Islamic rule. All Muslim
		
00:56:04 --> 00:56:06
			scholars, right, from the mainstream Muslim scholar, they
		
00:56:06 --> 00:56:08
			say you're not allowed to sell that. It
		
00:56:08 --> 00:56:10
			should be for goodwill purposes and all of
		
00:56:10 --> 00:56:10
			that stuff.
		
00:56:11 --> 00:56:12
			But then you have
		
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15
			Western countries. They say the exact same thing.
		
00:56:15 --> 00:56:16
			You're not allowed to sell that. It's very,
		
00:56:16 --> 00:56:17
			very bad.
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:19
			But then here we here we have an
		
00:56:19 --> 00:56:20
			issue. Is that
		
00:56:21 --> 00:56:23
			can an argument be made
		
00:56:23 --> 00:56:24
			that
		
00:56:24 --> 00:56:25
			the dictatorship
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:26
			Iran
		
00:56:27 --> 00:56:29
			actually cares more about the life of people
		
00:56:29 --> 00:56:32
			than the secular liberal democracies who are saying
		
00:56:32 --> 00:56:34
			that we care about life? It's an interesting
		
00:56:34 --> 00:56:37
			question. But, again, all the scholars have said
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:39
			it's not allowed, so I'll just leave that
		
00:56:39 --> 00:56:40
			for another case.
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:44
			The idea of religion mattering. Does religion matter
		
00:56:44 --> 00:56:46
			in terms of the transplantation
		
00:56:46 --> 00:56:48
			and all of that? There are this is
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:50
			an an issue in the Muslim world. I
		
00:56:50 --> 00:56:52
			know Americans, people who are Muslim minorities, you
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:55
			know, they're probably like, oh, religion shouldn't matter.
		
00:56:55 --> 00:56:57
			That's discrimination, this and that. Okay.
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59
			Get out of your western mentality for a
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:01
			moment. Right? When you're in a Muslim majority
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:04
			country, right, it matters. So you have Sheikh
		
00:57:04 --> 00:57:05
			Qaradawi.
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:07
			You have many other scholars. They say that
		
00:57:07 --> 00:57:09
			if an organ is being donated, it needs
		
00:57:09 --> 00:57:11
			to go from a Muslim to a Muslim.
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:12
			It should not be going to a non
		
00:57:12 --> 00:57:14
			Muslim. And they have all of their explanation.
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:16
			And they say if there's an apostate, someone
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:19
			who's left Islam, a Muslim's organ should not
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:20
			be going to that apostate
		
00:57:20 --> 00:57:22
			or or or to a non Muslim who
		
00:57:22 --> 00:57:24
			is at war with Muslims. Sorry. To clarify
		
00:57:24 --> 00:57:26
			that. Right? So the all of these things
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28
			play a role. I'm not gonna get into
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:30
			the issue because it's not so relevant to
		
00:57:30 --> 00:57:32
			the Muslims here, in America or in the
		
00:57:32 --> 00:57:33
			West.
		
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			The last one is very important, is brain
		
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			death. So the question is, is brain death
		
00:57:38 --> 00:57:41
			absolute death? So what is brain death? Right?
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:43
			So the ad hoc committee of the Harvard
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:44
			Medical School
		
00:57:44 --> 00:57:47
			to examine the definition of brain death, they
		
00:57:47 --> 00:57:49
			issued this report in 1960
		
00:57:49 --> 00:57:50
			whatever,
		
00:57:50 --> 00:57:51
			I mentioned before.
		
00:57:52 --> 00:57:55
			They said that brain death is the state
		
00:57:55 --> 00:57:57
			of what we call irreversible coma.
		
00:57:57 --> 00:57:59
			So here's the issue, the way it came
		
00:57:59 --> 00:58:01
			about. People who are in a coma,
		
00:58:01 --> 00:58:03
			can we harvest their organs?
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:05
			Right? So some people were looking at that
		
00:58:05 --> 00:58:07
			and say, yes. We should. There's other people
		
00:58:07 --> 00:58:09
			lying. We don't know when this person's gonna
		
00:58:09 --> 00:58:11
			wake up from their coma. And some people,
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:12
			they unplug people when they're in a coma
		
00:58:12 --> 00:58:14
			and they die. Right? We don't want them
		
00:58:14 --> 00:58:16
			sitting on life support. Wait a minute. These
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:18
			organs are perfect. They can save the life
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:19
			of somebody else.
		
00:58:20 --> 00:58:22
			There's oxygen circulating. They're still alive. They're still
		
00:58:22 --> 00:58:23
			breathing.
		
00:58:23 --> 00:58:25
			These are the best organs we can get.
		
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27
			Let's get it from a person in a
		
00:58:27 --> 00:58:28
			coma. And you have other people say, wait
		
00:58:28 --> 00:58:30
			a minute. That's unethical because
		
00:58:31 --> 00:58:33
			what if they wake up from their coma
		
00:58:33 --> 00:58:34
			2 years later? What if what if they
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:36
			have the potential to wake up?
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:39
			So they defined a new term called irreversible
		
00:58:39 --> 00:58:41
			coma. And they say, if we can figure
		
00:58:41 --> 00:58:42
			out that there is some line and, of
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:45
			course, it's never 100% clear cut. But if
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:46
			we can figure out there's some line between
		
00:58:46 --> 00:58:49
			coma and irreversible coma, we're gonna call this
		
00:58:49 --> 00:58:51
			irreversible coma, we're gonna call it brain death.
		
00:58:52 --> 00:58:54
			And brain death is basically brain stem is
		
00:58:54 --> 00:58:55
			not functioning,
		
00:58:55 --> 00:58:56
			and we think
		
00:58:57 --> 00:58:59
			or we have a good reason to believe
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:01
			that there's no possibility of functioning. So they
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:02
			said specifically
		
00:59:02 --> 00:59:03
			that
		
00:59:03 --> 00:59:05
			it no longer functions
		
00:59:05 --> 00:59:08
			and has no possibility of functioning again
		
00:59:09 --> 00:59:09
			for all
		
00:59:10 --> 00:59:13
			so it's it's for all practical purposes dead.
		
00:59:14 --> 00:59:15
			So the idea is if the brainstem or
		
00:59:15 --> 00:59:19
			the brain is for all practical purposes dead,
		
00:59:19 --> 00:59:21
			and we're gonna call that brain death.
		
00:59:21 --> 00:59:23
			Now the the problem with the idea of
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:24
			brain death is,
		
00:59:26 --> 00:59:28
			what does death mean? What is the concept
		
00:59:28 --> 00:59:30
			of death? Right? So medical practitioners,
		
00:59:32 --> 00:59:34
			they're they don't have a clear you know,
		
00:59:34 --> 00:59:35
			we people are like, well, why is so
		
00:59:35 --> 00:59:36
			many you know, some people always come, and
		
00:59:36 --> 00:59:37
			they'd be like, why are so many different
		
00:59:37 --> 00:59:39
			front of us? Why can't the scholars be
		
00:59:39 --> 00:59:41
			clear? All the doctors are not clear on
		
00:59:41 --> 00:59:42
			death. If you ask them when is the
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:44
			moment of death, they're like,
		
00:59:44 --> 00:59:46
			how do we define that? Right? How do
		
00:59:46 --> 00:59:48
			you define what death is? So the reality
		
00:59:48 --> 00:59:49
			is death is a process,
		
00:59:50 --> 00:59:52
			like birth is a process. Right? Same thing.
		
00:59:52 --> 00:59:55
			When you define when life begins, right, something
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:58
			is people are not clear on. Medical practitioners
		
00:59:58 --> 01:00:00
			are not clear on it. Medical practitioners and
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03
			researchers and scientists and all, they're not clear
		
01:00:03 --> 01:00:05
			on when you define exactly when death happens,
		
01:00:05 --> 01:00:08
			especially now with technology. Right? You keep everything
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:10
			moving. All your heart is beating. All all
		
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12
			your your systems are functioning.
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:15
			When are you considered to be dead?
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17
			Just like I asked you in the beginning.
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19
			Right? When you have robotic parts and you
		
01:00:19 --> 01:00:21
			have a head transplant from another person, when
		
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23
			are you considered to not be you anymore?
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:26
			Right? When are you considered to be a
		
01:00:26 --> 01:00:28
			a different person? These are very difficult
		
01:00:28 --> 01:00:29
			issues,
		
01:00:29 --> 01:00:31
			and they're not medical issues.
		
01:00:31 --> 01:00:35
			They're actually philosophical issues. So that's why
		
01:00:35 --> 01:00:37
			scholars, Muslim scholars, and Western,
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:39
			moral philosophers
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:41
			are actually the people who make this decision.
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:43
			And one of the problems that happened was,
		
01:00:43 --> 01:00:45
			in many of these councils, the Muslim scholars,
		
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48
			they just said, well, let the doctors figure
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:49
			out what death is. If they'd said the
		
01:00:49 --> 01:00:51
			person is dead, then he's dead.
		
01:00:52 --> 01:00:53
			Doctors are going and saying, wait a minute.
		
01:00:54 --> 01:00:55
			We don't know what death is. We're not
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:57
			we're not sure. We're asking you. And the
		
01:00:57 --> 01:00:59
			scholars go back and say, we're asking you
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:00
			figure it out. So
		
01:01:00 --> 01:01:02
			there's a problem. So in Egypt, this happened.
		
01:01:02 --> 01:01:03
			There's a very interesting quote.
		
01:01:04 --> 01:01:06
			Let me tell you the quote here.
		
01:01:09 --> 01:01:11
			Yeah. So there was a quote,
		
01:01:11 --> 01:01:12
			from one of the papers,
		
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17
			on transplants in Egypt, an analysis of doctors'
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:18
			discourse,
		
01:01:18 --> 01:01:20
			a journal called Body and Society.
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:23
			So the the doctors are writing. They said,
		
01:01:23 --> 01:01:25
			when we and our professors, we speak to
		
01:01:25 --> 01:01:27
			the Muftis at the Darul Ifta, which is
		
01:01:27 --> 01:01:28
			in Egypt. It's a place where fatwas are
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:29
			issued.
		
01:01:29 --> 01:01:31
			They say it's halal.
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:34
			Organ donation is halal. But it leaves so
		
01:01:34 --> 01:01:36
			much up to the doctors
		
01:01:36 --> 01:01:38
			that we're not certain about it.
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:40
			So they're saying it's halal, and you figure
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42
			out the moment of death and all of
		
01:01:42 --> 01:01:44
			the other stuff. They're like, but we don't
		
01:01:44 --> 01:01:45
			know the moment of death. We have a
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:47
			problem ourselves. We're trying to figure that out.
		
01:01:47 --> 01:01:49
			It says that the doctors themselves saying we're
		
01:01:49 --> 01:01:50
			not comfortable
		
01:01:50 --> 01:01:51
			with some of the fatwas that are coming
		
01:01:51 --> 01:01:53
			up because they're not clarifying things for us.
		
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			Right?
		
01:01:54 --> 01:01:55
			So,
		
01:01:55 --> 01:01:57
			again, here's a diagram of the beginning of
		
01:01:57 --> 01:01:59
			life, end of life. You notice there's a
		
01:01:59 --> 01:02:01
			curve. So there's a death is a process.
		
01:02:01 --> 01:02:02
			So at what moment do you declare a
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:04
			person dead? It is not,
		
01:02:05 --> 01:02:06
			very clear cut.
		
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07
			So what you have is
		
01:02:09 --> 01:02:11
			a bunch of questions. Right? The first questions
		
01:02:11 --> 01:02:13
			are, what are the vital functions of the
		
01:02:13 --> 01:02:14
			brain?
		
01:02:14 --> 01:02:17
			Who's gonna determine what the vital functions of
		
01:02:17 --> 01:02:18
			the brain are?
		
01:02:18 --> 01:02:19
			Is there a conceptual
		
01:02:20 --> 01:02:22
			basis within Islamic law for brain death? Is
		
01:02:22 --> 01:02:24
			there some basis for that? Right? The idea
		
01:02:24 --> 01:02:27
			that was brain death was basically determined
		
01:02:28 --> 01:02:31
			for the purpose of procuring organs.
		
01:02:31 --> 01:02:33
			It doesn't have any other
		
01:02:33 --> 01:02:34
			medical
		
01:02:34 --> 01:02:35
			function.
		
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37
			It was defined for that specific reason. Basically,
		
01:02:37 --> 01:02:39
			we need organs from people.
		
01:02:40 --> 01:02:43
			We want them to technically be
		
01:02:43 --> 01:02:45
			living in a sense because that's when the
		
01:02:45 --> 01:02:46
			organs are the best.
		
01:02:47 --> 01:02:48
			If they die,
		
01:02:49 --> 01:02:50
			oxygen is not coming to the organs that
		
01:02:50 --> 01:02:52
			begin to deteriorate immediately.
		
01:02:53 --> 01:02:55
			How can we figure out an exact perfect
		
01:02:55 --> 01:02:57
			line where we can get the organs right
		
01:02:57 --> 01:02:58
			at this moment
		
01:02:59 --> 01:03:01
			while maintaining the integrity of the organs so
		
01:03:01 --> 01:03:03
			that they can be used in a proper
		
01:03:03 --> 01:03:05
			manner. Right? So that's what so a bunch
		
01:03:05 --> 01:03:08
			of questions come up. Then the question is,
		
01:03:08 --> 01:03:11
			do physicians or scientists have to determine the
		
01:03:11 --> 01:03:12
			irreversibility
		
01:03:13 --> 01:03:14
			of these brain
		
01:03:15 --> 01:03:17
			functions as a matter of fact
		
01:03:17 --> 01:03:19
			or as a matter of procedure?
		
01:03:19 --> 01:03:21
			And then what level of certainty do you
		
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24
			need to figure out whether this person has
		
01:03:24 --> 01:03:26
			been declared brain dead or not? So there's
		
01:03:26 --> 01:03:28
			a study that was done, and they said,
		
01:03:28 --> 01:03:28
			basically,
		
01:03:29 --> 01:03:30
			in medically,
		
01:03:31 --> 01:03:31
			the prognosis
		
01:03:32 --> 01:03:35
			of death is mistaken for the diagnosis of
		
01:03:35 --> 01:03:36
			death. And if you're in the medical field,
		
01:03:36 --> 01:03:39
			there's a difference between diagnosis and prognosis.
		
01:03:39 --> 01:03:41
			I'm not gonna get into it due to
		
01:03:41 --> 01:03:43
			time. So here is a list of fatwas
		
01:03:43 --> 01:03:45
			which actually talk about
		
01:03:45 --> 01:03:48
			whether or not brain death is accepted.
		
01:03:48 --> 01:03:50
			And what you find is some of the
		
01:03:50 --> 01:03:54
			very prominent Muslim scholar councils accepted brain death
		
01:03:54 --> 01:03:56
			as a definition of real death.
		
01:03:56 --> 01:03:58
			And they said it's okay because that's how
		
01:03:58 --> 01:03:59
			the medical industry
		
01:04:00 --> 01:04:02
			told us. The the scientists and the doctors
		
01:04:02 --> 01:04:04
			told us that brain death is death. They
		
01:04:04 --> 01:04:06
			say, yeah. Sounds good.
		
01:04:06 --> 01:04:08
			So we'll go ahead and accept it. Otherwise,
		
01:04:08 --> 01:04:09
			cardiac
		
01:04:09 --> 01:04:12
			death, cardiac pulmonary, you know, death is the
		
01:04:12 --> 01:04:15
			original definition of death. This new definition of
		
01:04:15 --> 01:04:17
			death called brain death, which was something that
		
01:04:17 --> 01:04:19
			came out, you have a bunch of fatwas
		
01:04:19 --> 01:04:21
			where people are allowing that and saying, yes,
		
01:04:21 --> 01:04:22
			it's gonna be fine.
		
01:04:22 --> 01:04:25
			But remember I said about the Singapore fatwas,
		
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			how it changed? In the beginning, they said
		
01:04:27 --> 01:04:29
			organ donation is not allowed.
		
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31
			With the advancement of an when they understood
		
01:04:31 --> 01:04:32
			the issue better
		
01:04:32 --> 01:04:34
			and with the advancement of technology,
		
01:04:34 --> 01:04:36
			they said, oh, no. No. Organ donation is
		
01:04:36 --> 01:04:38
			allowed. Now we understand it better, and now
		
01:04:38 --> 01:04:39
			there's more advancement in technology.
		
01:04:40 --> 01:04:41
			The irony
		
01:04:42 --> 01:04:44
			is that now that technology is developing,
		
01:04:45 --> 01:04:48
			now that Muslim scholars and medical practitioners and
		
01:04:48 --> 01:04:48
			philosophers
		
01:04:49 --> 01:04:50
			are better understanding
		
01:04:51 --> 01:04:54
			what brain death, quote unquote, actually is,
		
01:04:54 --> 01:04:55
			they're reversing
		
01:04:55 --> 01:04:57
			and changing their opinion
		
01:04:57 --> 01:04:59
			and saying brain death is a very problematic
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:02
			concept. We gave the fatwa in the eighties
		
01:05:02 --> 01:05:04
			nineties that, hey. Well, Harvard said brain death
		
01:05:04 --> 01:05:06
			is brain death and this and that. Now
		
01:05:06 --> 01:05:08
			they're changing their mind, and they're not the
		
01:05:08 --> 01:05:12
			only ones changing their mind. Even Western philosophical
		
01:05:12 --> 01:05:14
			ethicists are changing their mind and saying this
		
01:05:14 --> 01:05:16
			is a very problematic concept. It's something that
		
01:05:16 --> 01:05:18
			we need to go ahead and look at
		
01:05:18 --> 01:05:20
			in more detail. So
		
01:05:20 --> 01:05:22
			with that, I gotta conclude because we're about
		
01:05:22 --> 01:05:23
			to pray. There's this,
		
01:05:24 --> 01:05:26
			body called the Faith Council of North America,
		
01:05:26 --> 01:05:28
			which I'm part of. They issued a in
		
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			December 2018,
		
01:05:30 --> 01:05:33
			which basically outlined a summary of these principles.
		
01:05:33 --> 01:05:35
			And I'm gonna summarize them real quick. Organ
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:36
			donation and transplantation
		
01:05:37 --> 01:05:37
			is permissible
		
01:05:38 --> 01:05:39
			in principle
		
01:05:39 --> 01:05:40
			with conditions.
		
01:05:40 --> 01:05:41
			It's an act of charity
		
01:05:42 --> 01:05:43
			when you have a good intention.
		
01:05:44 --> 01:05:46
			Condition number 1, you cannot sell the organ.
		
01:05:46 --> 01:05:48
			Condition number 2, there should be no harm
		
01:05:48 --> 01:05:50
			to the donor or the patient and needs
		
01:05:50 --> 01:05:52
			to be minimized as much as possible.
		
01:05:52 --> 01:05:54
			Condition number what was that? 4?
		
01:05:55 --> 01:05:58
			3. Condition number 3, you need to have
		
01:05:58 --> 01:06:00
			informed consent of the donor,
		
01:06:01 --> 01:06:03
			not of their family, not of the state.
		
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			It has to be of the donor.
		
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			Number 4, they cannot take out vital organs
		
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			while living, like the heart and stuff like
		
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			that. Condition number 5, the deceased donation
		
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			after cardiac death
		
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			the the deceased donation acumenal acumenal
		
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			acumenal. Cardiac death, not after brain death. Right?
		
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			This becomes a problem with heart transplantation and
		
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			all of that stuff. Number 6,
		
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			no reproductive organs, the ova, the sperm, the
		
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			uterus, all of that cannot be donated. And
		
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			on the last thing, they said, on face
		
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			and partial brain transplants,
		
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			we have no opinion, and we're calling for
		
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			people to do more research.
		
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			And on the brain death, we're calling on
		
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			people to do more research. So after discussing
		
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			for 3 years, I was in all three
		
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			of the meetings. This is the final thing
		
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			that has been released, and we're waiting for
		
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			that. So that's the kind of the conclusion,
		
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			and we'll conclude here.
		
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			If you want questions, there's questions, stick around.
		
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			I'll stick around after the prayer,
		
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			and you can, come to the back of
		
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			the Musa Allah and ask me questions.