Munir Ahmed – Session 48 Matters of Marriage & Zina
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Praise be to Allah, Lord of the world.
He alone is worthy of all praise. We seek his forgiveness, guidance and his mercy we send peace and blessings on his final messenger Muhammad sallallahu alayhi salam brothers and sisters after saying salaam city, we asked Allah
always to accept from us our deeds
to forgive us and be merciful upon us. For we ask him for useful knowledge and understanding wide sustenance on Him we are utterly dependent and to Him is our return and go
there is no power and mighty except that all Allah Glory be to Him and He has no thought
Welcome back after think we've had a week's break seems longer but anyway
remind you that we are on Hadith
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in which he said that Abdullah Abdullah like them as old Radi Allahu Anhu all followed us all right. Salallahu Alaihe Salam
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that of the land Massoud said that the messenger of allah sallallahu sallam said, it is not legal to morphin to spill the blood of a Muslim except in three situations. The married person committing adultery,
life for a life
and the one who leaves the Dean separating from the Jama from the community.
That's what we've been deliberating on. Over the last few weeks. We dealt with primarily we focused on dealing with the first of the category
of the three
and that is to do with Xena adultery Acebo Zanni out here. Of course, this hadith is indicating that for the married person committing adultery, it is a death penalty, which would be reduced. And we talked about that before a couple of sessions ago. And I've mentioned my provisos in regards to that. And the
issue to do with even the AI which is claimed by various Sahaba including AMR
it knows about the criminal have toppled Farrokh and in the Abbas Radi Allahu Anhu as you might need, that this was an area which was abrogated taken up by Allah subhanaw taala but as Allah mas down as they said, as well that the the ruling states but it is interesting for us certainly in this day and age to see that actually if we don't say it is part of the Quran.
The Quran we have is the Quran that Allah intended for us and it is not part of the Quran. And the only men's punishment mentioned in the Quran Instructor No. Which doesn't clarify the difference between the two is the 100 lashes with the four sins we talked about them before but I'm just mentioning again. Of course interestingly the IRA does mention that was originally set down and then taken up and didn't become part of this Quran doesn't clarify it anyway. Was shake was che huddle
He says Zinnia for Jammu, Houma, Alberta, The Old Man and the old woman, if they commit adultery, then stone them.
Stone them? Well.
The idea here is there's no mention of marriage or not married, it's just old. So it doesn't really clarify the situation. And it is not part of the text of the Quran. We don't take that as an evidence. Therefore, we don't say something's missing from the Quran. As I clarified before.
We talked about the even with the punishment of the lesson of the Quran that there is room for, as it's been said by others review of that as a punishment, present day punishment, etc. Without going into details of that.
But beyond that, we talked about why such is that seen so serious adultery, * outside marriage, basically, whether you're married or unmarried.
And we talked about the issue of extramarital * and the evidence is to not go near it. Why is it so serious we talked about last time and why is it so immoral and it's from the major sins and with that we talked about the issue of the things that lead towards a towards it and we talked about things to do with Internet things to do with communication things to do with
even the smallest sense of looking touching which is mentioned missing from the hadith of Abdullah Abbas and Abu forever from the Prophet Salah about the Zener of the eyes and the ears and the hands etc. I'm not going to go through all that
mentioned all that before, but in relation to our presently world how does that apply and we talked about halwa
which is
a non Muslim or non married person, male or female adults being alone in a room that is closed and no one can walk into all see into and I don't want to go through that again. But we talked about that in regards to looking touching we talked about touch, especially in regards to non sexual touch. And we
clarified from the authentically is about being a desirous culture and desirous look.
So not just any touch and the Hadith which I mentioned
about touching which is the best opinion about it is weak not taken as evidence it is not authentic is the famous one about better for a person to have metal nails.
You can feel that see
you know pierced in his head than to touch a woman that is not halal for him
and vice versa of course, yeah, it was a mean that a woman's alright touching the and this touch we talked about that hadith is not authentic, but even if it was, we said that this is talking about sexual * LG Ma.
I mentioned that in regards to the
relevant players of from the Quran, Maria Malayalam saying about when she was given the news of the birth of the child is a virgin saying Lambeth Yes, let me assess the aphid How can I would tell when no person no man has touched me obviously for the mean this kind of touch. So and we talked about handshaking, etc. Greetings all this was last time.
While we're talking about touch at the end, this sister asked me a question and I didn't have time to go into it last time. But we should while we're on the issue of touch mentioned this
and that is the issue of widow
Why do I mention it because there's a difference of opinion amongst all Emma and fought for her about skin touching between a man and a woman? Yeah, just skin touching, not talking about the sexual * now. Whether it breaks the window or doesn't break the window.
So this issue is linked with a couple of ayat of the Quran. For example, Allah smiled Allah says in Surah An Nisa is number 43 And this I have mentioned before as well in one of the lessons I lost my glasses, yeah, a U haul Lavina M and hula for Abu Salah tawa Thompson care Allah. Tala mu
That Who are you who believe Do not come near Salah while you are in a state of drunkenness inebriated until you know that which you are aware of what you are saying basically. Of course this was the idea that came before
drinking common alcohol was forbidden completely so I don't want to go into that it carries on the same as well and you know, Ben ill RBV Selby lien had to tell the Bessie Lou and the person who is after post sexual impurity after marital relationship Yeah, that person shouldn't come near Salah either. Yeah, not because they drunk but because of being in a state of for sexual impurity exception is obviously severely even though there's a couple of different so being able really best is especially except for the traveler had this Hello? Yeah. Meaning until until you do the hosel we're in come to
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And let's not like carries on, except after postage, except that you do goosal But if you are ill, or on a journey, repeating the idea of the journeying person before the journeying person doesn't mean they can just pray like that is saying Elijah had done Manila if one of you comes after going to the toilet to relieve yourself or it comes from the idea of low ground? Yeah. Where it's using Kenia indirect words. Yeah, because they used to go in a lower ground so people can see where they used to go and do what number one or number two Oh, I've one of you comes from that. Hola Mister Money sir. Oh, you touch oh you touch the women
Yeah, so this is the point here Oh lamb is the only cell that you touch women what does this touch mean? For lamb Turkey Duma and you do not find water for Tyrion Mimosa Eden by yerba and then you do hire mum side on tayyiba with pure aside usually means upper but it means most scholars set from the surface of the Earth anywhere from natural surface of the earth. It's clean. Yeah. And it goes on to do with tiempo so here the idea is the the need for
a similar versus mentioned about glamour stone Lisa? Yeah and water not being found and having to do Toyama in Surah Ellen Maggie that as well. The same idea now this lamb was the militia
majority of the football ha
yeah, they said
they said that this lens this touching
is to do with sexual *. Similar to the idea I mentioned again lens and mess. Same idea. Yeah.
Actually best divided the touching of a woman
whether it breaks the wudu or not, and then divide it into three kinds of women. Yeah. Touching a Muslim woman. Yeah, these are people you cannot marry and they excluded the wife from that because you're not Muslim is your wife
so all of them agree that touching that skin to skin touching.
Not sexual in a native because we're talking about sisters mothers, you know, daughters that kind of skin to skin touching.
does not break the womb. Yeah.
So for them they're all agree.
The wife and the eggs and Obeah which is the non Muslim woman, this
range woman who is neither the wife and neither blood related as it were, they are included in the same category.
So
Imam Malik and Akhmad have the opinion that if you touch the wife even, or a strange woman skin to skin touch, which is a desirous touch with shower with desire sexual desire, doesn't mean doing the actual act, no touching with sexual desire, maybe the arm, maybe the shoulder, maybe anything, then it breaks it will do. Otherwise it does not nuts, the Malik's and AdWords on our cameras opinions.
Chef it ear. Imam Shafi and the Shafia they are famous for this, that any kind of skin test gets to his skin to skin touching without
a cloth or something in between whether it's desires or not. Yeah, that would include shaking hands, with with the wife even.
Yeah, with the wife even or any straight woman as long as they are not Matheran breaks the window and you have to make water and they took this from this and the
the majority of the overhang and my vibe and the scholars said no. Yeah, as I said, Malik anathemas had the opinion only if is desirous with these people. But majority said no, it doesn't break the whoodle lumps here means LG Ma. Yeah. Hannah fear Abu Hanifa haemophilia, I believe have the best opinion in this regard. And their opinion is whether its desires touch of the skin of a strange woman. Yeah. Which is wrong, it's still sinful. Or is the desires touch on the wife which is allowed which is not sinful? Absolutely fine. That does not break the wall. Yeah, whether it's designers or non designers. That's that's the best opinion in this regard.
Why
why do you Mom shopping is epic go down the road of of that. Some of the reasons I can't go into the whole thing. They Imam Shafi said lens and mess are words which which are Maschera. They have more than one meaning? Yeah, there are words which are more than one meaning. So we have to include all of the meanings and the why the sub the meanings. So touch can mean the actual touching, that's the minimum and it can mean of course, LG ma sexual *. But to be safe, unsure, we don't know which one it is. So we'll take the widest meaning which is just the coach. But that approach is weak because Allah subhanaw taala even when he uses a word which has more than one meaning Allah says,
Allah Sakas, revealing the hokum, the legal ruling to his slaves to He won't leave it confused, like that sort of terrain and context will tell you anyway, what this meaning what is the best meaning in this regard? The context tells you because it's linked to already with somebody being job which you have to post sexual impurity.
So that context in the Quran itself is indicating what kind of text is talking about. Then you look at the story of Mariama Alayhis Salam, then you look at those who are doing a lot the Quran talks about those fat interlocked fat in
Tanaka Hoonah. Macabre and tender sunnah.
Yeah, for intellect
to Mohan amicably and permesso. Han. Well, if you divorce them, women before you touch them? Yeah. Before you touch them. Yeah, in one part, it's saying they're
the dower that mattered that you do is you because you haven't had
consummated the marriage is your turn half of the
matter to them? Yeah. And another part of the grant in masonry. If you don't consummate the marriage, and you divorce them, then there's not enough on them. There's no waiting period after divorce on them. So the same word is used and it's very clear what that means. It's talking about and there this even the Sharpie accepted means sexual *, sexual *.
Also, we have wise Abu Hanifa and the Hanafi opinion the best opinion because we have other evidences
from a hadith which are authentic in one Hadith almost been asked about the law and she says the prophesied Salam kiss some of his wives or Bala, but this is
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and then she said some Maharajah in a Salah. Well Amitabha as though she's clarifying even a third time people who had a different opinion on what Williams is saying, He kissed some of his life then he immediately left to go and do his Salah and he did not make wudu
Yeah, you mean after kissing.
Um Shafi does come across this Toby's in one of its version it says it's weak but there are versions of it which are authentic. Also we have
from minion Isla de la the LA Hannah honey Hadith which is authentic and Muslim intermarry. And he or she mentioned that at nighttime she says audit for her to the soul of Allah he Salah so I thought I'd lost the mystery of Allah Islam when he was missing basically, she woke up from asleep and he was with her but she couldn't find him that a lady one night middle for us both to Moscow. So I started searching for him in the dark this is she's looking for him.
But what that do we are they a year the button economy. So she said I thought man and reached out as it were, and I put my hands on his feet. Wha hoo, I fill masjid and he was in the masjid. How's that she's in a bad way. Remember, she lived a very small compartment, which we clarify further In another Hadith. And so she just reaching out and the threshold from her apartment through a curtain straight into the Masjid. So she can reach out and it'd be right next to the threshold of the apartment in domestic affairs. She could feel his feet while man saw button and they were like that meaning when you go in sujood Your feet are like that either when you're sitting over here So dude,
in Salah in the words in one of the rewire in Muslim actually says the rewire says and he was in sujood. Yeah. And she said I heard him so I touched his feet and found and I heard him and he asks you mentioned the DUA the prophesized limb was making in his schedule. So it was in Salah. Yeah. So if touching his wife on a woman breaks his widow heart, the Prophet saw some carry on praying, which is what he did. She's saying clearly on the movement in direct touch these feet.
The third evidence as if we need it anymore, is that and another Hadith and this is the smaller Parliament on the morning. I said there are the law on her.
She says that she
Yes. She says come to Anam Boehner Yoda in the bay. I used to sleep. Yeah. Or I was sleeping in front of the Prophet SAW Salem. Or read July aefi tableta. He and his crib law was towards my legs
when he was lying down
and the prophesy son was in Salah for is their center that was only for Papa to originally
when he used to want to do sense that he used to indicate a hums can mean indicating with a wink or with a sign. Yeah, but here we'll find in one of the Hadith, which is in Bukhari Muslim how he did the indication, she says for is that a rather and yes do that Rama savagely.
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if and when he wants you to do the sense that he used to meaning lungs means he used to tap on her leg or or her legs or her feet. So she would pull them back so he could do sujood Yeah, and this is the box awesome. And Mahalia Muslim mentioned while he's doing salah, so he's touching her
and feet, meaning say and I had covering on my feet.
If somebody wants to say, Oh, she must have had covering on the field they have no, we have no evidence for that. And the other Hadith would corroborate where she's touching the feet of the prophesies. And she didn't say I had gloves on my feet while I was asleep. While I was asleep in my bed at nighttime. Don't be just ridiculous.
So anyway, those are some of the things to do with
does touching
any woman's skin
including the the wife, etc. Break the window you have to make. No it does not.
I believe that's the best opinion in that in that regard now.
Now I want to
move on
from that
or to another aspect of the same issue to do with Xena I want to look at
the is
to do with Xena
and the punishment obviously now which came
in Swat to know
no surah number 24 Which begins right from the beginning and this is a later surah in Medina
let's establish his late as a surah that was revealed later on much later on
in Medina so
not exactly absolute exactly when but we know it's later later on in Medina. So here I lost my brother is Bismil new love Manuel Rafi. So Ratan
was about
to buy Hina
like whoo This is a Surah which we have we have revealed and which we have made obligatory meanings the instructions in it we made obligatory we are revealing it clear instructions so that you may take heed or be reminded that is Vania towards any factory to
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meanie here Allah saying
a Zania to the female committing adultery and the male committing adultery, frankly to last each one of them. Yeah. From from them both with 100 lashes and do not. And let's not pretend and this your refer your tenderness deter you from that which pertains to the deen of Allah. If you truly believe in Allah, and the Last Day, yeah.
Well, yes, not the other woman. Or if I don't mean I'll move meaning I left the punishment. This punishment is calling it punishment. Yeah. And
let that be witnessed by a party meaning make it public, so it deters others and it also shames those who do that. Of course, this is with the condition as it makes an underpass of the ground to do with witnesses. The four witnesses I mentioned before we're here that's to deal with the punishment or the male and female committing extramarital *.
The issue I raised about the stoning I'm not the only one who said what I'm what I say about the stoning and I've said it for some years now privately to myself that I I can't see a stoning, ever being established and being accepted by society ever again. Even if we were being a situation of finding for witnesses, claiming that they're seeing somebody copulating and doing extramarital * very clearly. Yeah.
Others have said similarly, in fact, shekel Dahlia was listening to him said many years back on his famous program
that he was in a seminar with Sheikh Mohammed Abu Zahra, who was Egyptian,
big Egyptian scholar who died I think, in the 70s 1970s
Some time ago now, and in one of these conferences a couple of years before he died. So the conference was to be in think around early 70s. Check, although he said he was their president, and chef.
Alexandra was on the stage and he said, I'm going to share with you and it was a meeting of scholars,
a seminar of scholars, and he said, I'm going to share with you something which I've kept quiet and hidden within me for the last 20 years. He must have felt that he's elderly and is going to die so he wants to express his opinion. He said I believe in regards to the punishment of adultery, stoning.
The stoning is abrogated.
It was abrogated, I believe he said, the prophets is long time. But this Deen of mercy and the messenger of Mercy was not sent with the Sharia of stoning somebody to death. I believe the punishment is there already in the Quran, and it's to do with 100 lashes. That's the punishment. And he said, despite the a hadith, he believed, he said, I believe that the Prophet saw some initially followed
the, the Sharia of, of the Jews, until Allah Allah smartcard revealed on the IATA, I've just mentioned, until Allah reveals Surah to know, and this idea of the 100 lashes, and he said, I believe it was then
it was then abrogated. And, and, and check on that way, when I heard me, he said that, and I support this view of Alexandria. He said, There was a big outcry amongst some of the scholars who were sitting there when he said these words, but the shadow said further eyes, I support the view of Rosa. I also believe similarly.
So I thought, I'll just mention that as something interesting. And now, of course, there are, as I mentioned, once before, as well, even the 100 lessons or the 80 lessons for the purpose of slander,
or the most an act of an innocent woman
even that is up for some scholars and thinkers requiring polymer grounding to sit and see whether there's a way of interpreting that to modern day punishment.
If it comes to I mean, you share Jose me in they'll say mean for example, sent Well, this for witnessing is just never going to happen. Yes, people who are going to come and say we've got four witnesses, they always going to be caught out. Because it means a really absolutely 100% Seeing Yeah, the app taking place and he said how's that possible? Yeah. So is
is almost indicating that it's impossible for this punishment even with the 100 together to ever be actually enacted and given out anyway.
Let us move on. Because I want to look at the other areas that come in this which are linked as well.
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after that, I had number three Zanny la ke who
attend mostly Cape Town who was near Tula
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the Zanni the adult thing, person Yeah, or the phony Gator
lie auntie who does not, does not marry except another adult thing woman or a Muslim I dollar to woman
and the adulterous woman does not marry except
adultery male, or idolatry.
We're hardly Metallica. I mean, and this is haram made haram prohibited for the believers. I used to contemplate on this idea for a long time thinking what does it actually mean? That the somebody who's committed adultery only can marry? That's why I used to initially think can only marry somebody who's committed adultery. Yeah. So if somebody comes to your site, they've made the mistake of, you know, and how common is that? Now, there's been other sisters along the nose. But I can tell you it's very common. If you want to go to universities and beyond what's actually going on in the Muslim community, I'm not talking about anonymous security.
That goes without saying nobody blinks an eyelid. No, nobody blinks an eyelid about it now in the non Muslim community. But it's almost as I mentioned, in my previous sessions have been questioned even now by Muslim youth, and they find almost no problem with it. So what's the meaning of this?
It doesn't mean that somebody is committing adultery is not allowed to marry anybody except somebody who's committed adultery. That's not the meaning of it. Yeah.
Or other idolatry. They have to go marry a Hindu or somebody like that. Yeah, and vice versa. That's not the meaning. The meaning here is that somebody who is
Zanni Azalia is somebody who flips around.
So it's actually telling believers that it is not right for you to marry somebody who's got a tendency they are loose male or female, they will tend to slip around. Don't marry such people. They're not for you. They are fine for Maddie marry others we're okay with sleeping around. That's what growl is saying. And Mushriks idler to because I noticed had no problem with * outside marriage, that's why they'll be fine to marry each other. Yeah. But in other words, Allah saying, for believers, it is not right for you to marry somebody who is sleeping around as Zanny. Somebody who's committed adultery once or slept outside, had extramarital *, and they do Tober mela or
female they are no longer referred to as zaniolo Zania. They become a once again. Yeah, big could. Yeah.
Or
Mauston. Yeah.
chaste in that sense. They become chaste again. Yeah, after doing Tober. So
it's very important to understand when it's talking about
* outside Mary works through Lahug in methodical believe it is haram forbidden for the believers, what is forbidden. Zina is forbidden for the believers. Yeah, that's what the IEA is saying.
While we're on that,
the question comes.
As to
somebody who's committed, extramarital *, are they allowed to marry one another? Or are they allowed to marry somebody else? Yeah.
And that would be a common question. Nowadays, when Muslims, of course, the idea is that they don't have to come and expose themselves in and the first time to come and ask a shape er, so if I've committed
smi to *, why do I don't have to discover it? But are they legally allowed to marry one another after having slept? We went to before marriage? That's the question because actually, there's various opinions from the classical times. And it was some of this Sahaba like woman will be an iceberg. Alana and other Saba had very strict opinion about their opinion was that once two people have slept with one another outside of marriage. Yeah, even if they got married, they are still committing adultery or not, in other words are not allowed to marry each other. But that's just one opinion. That's not the majority opinion, actually.
So here, we can divide the category of somebody having * outside marriage into two categories. From a woman's point of view, it is, for example, a woman who's done Zina,
and she's not pregnant. Okay. And the same applies to the man of course, the pregnancy is not relevant for the man.
And
yeah.
They work to either marry the person they've committed the sin with, or another person is it allowed, Hannah Thea said
the the contract, marriage contract is valid. And
you know, the person is allowed to consummate the marriage with the person who committed adultery whether the adultery was from the same person or from another person. That's what happened here opinion. The
Assam lemma
said that it's allowed to find to do the contract of marriage. But you the consummation of the marriage cannot take place.
conservational I can't take place, especially if
the woman is the one who's had * outside marriage until she's had one period.
Yeah, that's the clarified actually that she's not pregnant. Yeah, that's what they that's what they're saying.
The Maliki has said
that there's
No contract you will allow when the woman has had * outside until she had a Menzies, then she can have the marital ceremony and consummation of the marriage. Okay, so the idea here, the MCSA of getting married, either the same person is marrying her is to try and cover up do subtle of the sin, not to make it public. And even if there's another person marry her, yeah.
The idea that the person marries her as well. Yeah, that she, she informs him.
Yeah. And that he's doing the coloring of it. And therefore, if he's doing that, then it's absolutely fine. Yeah.
And she knows she's not pregnant.
It changes a bit if the woman becomes pregnant
from * outside marriage.
Hanafy and now said that even the marriage contract still allowed, but not to consummate the marriage. Yeah, until the child is born.
Shaffir er, however, said it's fine. To do both, because the idea is that the person who's marrying her either it's the same person, so he knows that the child is is and he's doing Sutter uncovering
during the covering, and if it's not from him, then the person who is married again is doing the covering of the sin sector and will do little for us, the child belongs to the bed. So it will be counted as though the child lungs covered by the partner, the man marrying
amalickiah. Again, like the previous time, and Hannah biller said there is no marriage contract until she was given delivery on the child. My sixth opinion is he believes that our best opinion in this regard is whether pregnant or not,
that they are allowed
to get married and to consummate the marriage.
The
the the the non pregnant one,
the person marrying a can ask her to wake Yeah, he can request to wait till Menzies comes so that
they both clear that she that she's not pregnant.
And if she's pregnant,
against her Habilis opinion, best is that he's covering up so it's fine to actually have
the the marriage contract and the consummation of the marriage. Yeah.
because there'll be aware if the child belongs to them. Or if it's if it doesn't belong to the mandates, the idea is to cover up the sin.
With the person that she's the woman is getting married to
the issue more revolves around the woman because he's doing with the pregnancy side of things. You should know also, that if a woman gets pregnant,
outside of marriage, from illegal sexual *, but even if she marries, then, yeah.
The person that this was done with
majority of scholars said that this child doesn't get the inheritance because the child was born out of wedlock.
Yeah.
Even Tamia and I'm before him, actually.
It's hockey. But Rockaway was around the same time as the great founders of the mother who
very early times the times of Malika Hanifa Imam Shafi and even 10 year much later their opinion is that life of the child or have the consequences of the sins of the adults. It is clear who the father is, yeah.
It is clear who the father is.
So
the, the child
can inherit Yeah, from the solid disagree with the majority of the other mother heads and scholars, whether Hanafi or Shafi
II Molokhia and for now Billa Yeah, we're all on that opinion
that the child can't inherit. So even Tamia and before him saga railway sent and I believe that's the best opinion that's also the opinion of my teacher.
That's that's the gist opinion. Because I last night I says, Well, our testicle was either to wizard Oprah, no person will bear the burden syndrome another person. So why should the child suffer?
In this regard, and it can be also established.
In this kind of situation, where when the woman is not married, if the woman is married, and she's had extramarital * outside the marriage, the idea the prophesized love said, yeah,
it may be hidden, maybe the husband doesn't know even if the husband knows you have the choice to divorce or stay with her. If he stays with it, the idea is to cover it. So I will do little for us. The child belongs to the bed, the marital bed, so the child would just be counted as part of the children. Yeah, that's the idea. Because if bring is brought up or make evident,
or if the woman's not married, yeah, but there's ways of knowing who the father really is. And that is the father who the child will inherit from as the child is tribute to the Father.
Those are some of the things it's maybe a bit complicated, but they are linked with Xena as well. The rulings to do with that
I saw I saw that may be relevant or interesting for you. Let us carry on with the ayat of surah and know which brings up some other issues as well.
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These are important these are the Ayat of a Leon
and Leon Who's heard of a Leon
I can't even see people's hands up I suppose. I don't really
lost everybody.
Who's heard of a Leon you can put your mics on if you've heard of it.
No, nobody heard of a Leon
I don't mean Lian as in the name obviously.
And Leon means cursing. So, this is
when
a man finds his life in bed with another man. Right.
This is the situation desire came in does not give you the translation of the IR in a in a moment, but if I want to link it with what actually happened at the time of the Prophet SAW Islam, the suburban Mazoon
situation revelation of this is what was it? And this is reported in Bihari.
Probably Abbas Nadella will call on the Wii Salalah Hall. No, he said.
And Belinda bus said, Miguel alguma and that Hillel in the Omiya
Plaza, and unassuming la de Sala holism fishery Kimmy Sackman. safma for calling the BT Salallahu Alaihe Salam, Al Bayona Oh, hi, Fi Vivek.
So he had a Knowmia he
accused his wife of adultery. And that
is he's caught her. Oh Subhanallah sorry about that people keep
stupidly sending messages.
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emails and thinks about Yeah, so hi, Darlene Mejia found
he even names this a hobby, yet show you can mess something up in bed with his life.
So he came accused that before the Prophet saw some of of this province Iceland said Bring four witnesses, otherwise you're going to get laughed at lashes for call ya rasool Allah. So Hillel, what did he say? He said O Messenger of Allah era. Allah Emirati here are Julen young Talia who y'all Thomasville by Gina souhan. Allah, it says if one of us finds a man upon our wife in bed, yeah. Should we now leave and go out and look for four witnesses? Is that what you're saying? Yeah, so look at his Look how he's saying it.
For the profits are slim still said. I'll buy you dinner for witnesses or HUD fee. VALIC. Yeah, we're Illa had fever, Rick for call. Yeah. So he didn't give up Hillel. He said
Well, levy bass like a bill hawk. In Nila sodic. Yeah, by him who has sent you with the truth. For surely I am telling the truth. Well, I own zielen Allah Who ma you breathe, every minute a hug. And surely Allah will send down some revelation which will Yeah, which will save my back from the lashes. For another logic really his Salam. So Gibreel kingdom? Well, Angela Lee Cole, Cole Jota Allah and he brought down these ayat of Allah from Allah subhanaw taala of Surah Noor. So you can see these Ayat came separately from the rest of Surah on this occasion. What do they say?
As for those who accuse their wives of an chastity and have no witnesses except themselves, the testimony of such a one is that he testifies swearing by Allah four times. I swear by Allah four times, that I'm telling the truth. Yeah.
In this accusation, in other words, and the fifth time he must say that the curse of Allah be upon him, meaning on me. Yeah, if I am like, that's why it's called Leon because of this. This fifth time. He said, I made the curse or Lattner. Yeah, while Aetna to Allah, Allah Hui, and the Latin at Allah He or li Inc Encanto mill Academy, and the punishment is averted from the wife while yet
we are the Roku, and hello Azova the punishment is a vertical the wife and Thresh had if she declares four times out of buy shahada Tim Billa. Yeah.
Yeah, four times he swears testifies swearing by Allah, that the man her husband
is laying in the hall laminal Caribbean while family soccer and the fifth time she says I'm horrible hola hiya Lee ha in turn, I mean I saw the key and made the anger and wrath of Allah be upon her if he is telling the truth. In other words if she's like, this is what came as a remedy
for this kind of situation. Yeah, this kind of situation that hadith carries on after the revolution came found sort of and maybe later. So after this accusation, the prophesies some obviously they're both called, turned to the wives and sent
Yeah, for Java Hillel for Shahida. Yeah. Anyway, it turned to as she was called for. So he loved him and he did this witnessing
Yeah, you're cool in Allah. Hi, yah, Lou. And I had up Omar Kathy for Halloween Kamata in. So before the woman spoke,
to prophesy Salam said, Surely Allah knows that one of you is a liar. Yeah. Is there anybody from you too? Who is willing to do Toba? Yeah.
Then she did the shahada for Shahida. To the for shahada saying, yeah, that she swears by Allah.
That he her husband is alive. And then the Hadith says
when she came to the fifth one, for a mechanic in the pharmacy water for her when she came to the fifth one day who had gathered the Sahaba stock in the tracks were called in Naha in the hull, goo Jeeva. What you're going to say will definitely happen if you're going to say it. Yeah. Which means the Wrath of Allah. Yeah.
On her, if he is telling the truth, so it will be it will come to pass the warning have Be careful.
Now bustin set for telco. We're not. Then she hesitated and recoiled for a moment. Had one hot dog gonna
kill We thought she was going to go back on her for swearing that you've done testify. Some audit then she said however, law of double pole me Seidel? Yo, I'm not going to expose my family all the all the days to come. Yeah. Put them to shame. Farmer but as you continue
Yeah. In other words, you did the fifth one as well for fall under be utilized to publicize them said, I'm so upset. hoo ha. Watch her for injured behavior. So she was pregnant.
If she comes with a child at ie nine, yeah, he's describing the child now. With
sambil Ilia time Yeah.
Basically.
Big portraits, and particularly looking.
Eyes hear that as though they had a call in them.
And thin legs
huddled or just sad, sad pain. For who? Alicia Regan the safma Then it must be the child of Sheree give the safma the one who she was accused of having the affair with, for Jared vehicles Erlich have you've carried on she did come with a child to look like that for calling the VSOs. And when the prophesised was told, what do you say? Lola Ma Ma? Mean? Kitab Illa? If it not been what has already taken place from the book of Allah? In other words, he's already given the judgment. What has happened? They did according to the book of Allah. Yeah, kinda Lee. Willa has shown if that was not the case, then would have had an issue with that. In other words, I can't do anything now. What has
happened has happened.
So this is in regards to a husband and wife. Now, Allah ma majority, clearly say, as we've said from previously, that if that is the case, first let me clarify. Majority of scholars do not take into consideration what if the wife finds a husband in bed bed with a woman? Yeah. Can she do the Leon
they don't even consider it. In other words, they don't think that that can happen. Well, actually, the other way around can happen as well. And that's also I asked my chair, what do we think because I was thinking about this what about the other way around? Just because the Quran came with a particular way, which was how it happened in the Sunnah this would be necessary. That's all
was going to be the case in these situations. What is opposite can also happen? Of course, Pregnancy is a different situation. Yeah. One way of finding out is finding the woman pregnant. And he's not constantly the husband hasn't consummated the marriage with the woman she's already pregnant.
Or the child is born after four months. Yeah, after marriage. Yeah, definitely. You will be married for nine months, how is she giving
a full term delivery to a full term child? So those are things which are from the woman's side, which raise doubts from the man of course, there's no pregnancy to show, etc. But he she may find him in a situation in a compromised situation.
Having extramarital * with another woman, so Can she do the Leon if she's absolutely certain she can last the other way can apply as well. So she would initiate it then.
Like, he allowed it for his life, and he would be responding to avoid the punishment of adult extramarital *.
Secondly, what's important is in this situation, what's the best thing to do? The best thing is not to take it to this can only be done, by the way by taking it to court, the prophesies. Some is the judge or the you can't do this at home with a few relatives gathered together and do the hand. No. This has to be done officially and legally before a judge Leon is before Judge.
That's second. Thirdly, it is better always to cover. Maybe either the husband or wife want to cover the love each of them want to carry on with the marriage and save memories as possible still, isn't it? Oh,
that's the end of it. Yeah. Which will be perhaps in most cases, but the end is by divorce.
If the husband finds his wife, and it shows that that's what's happened, it doesn't need to take it to any court or anything. He can pronounce divorce. That'd be the end. Leave the thing covered. Yeah. That is the best thing to do. Because he doesn't actually achieve anything further by this. This. Taking it taking the task further to do Leon. Yeah. Is not a requirement is not a requirement. It's not a recommendation, by the way. Yeah. It's not a recommendation.
It's how the the the judge deals with it, if that happens, but the best is actually, for the man to divorce. If the woman finds her husband in that position, she asked for divorce, if she wants to divorce.
She has to divorce. And if he was wise enough to divorce her, and if he's not divorcing, then she has a right to take it to the judge, then she would go down this road of accusing her
husband in front of the judge and saying, Well, he's been unfaithful, he's committed. And that is not on suspicion. By the way, you can't turn up with this kind of for oaths. Yeah. And with curse and Wrath of Allah with the fifth one, just on superstitions and suspicions, all that nonsense. Even when you find the person in that situation, this is not the best thing to do. This is a really a last resort.
Because the idea is again, to to cover the issue, even if you end up divorcing
and finally, when it is brought the issue of De Leon of cursing in this manner before the judge, yeah.
One One of the May recoil the accuser, for example, the husband accused may change his mind after it comes to the curse of Allah via the fifth time he may decide. I wasn't sure. I said, No, I'll take it back. Or he was lying and saying no, I was like, yeah, yeah. Then actually
what happens in that situation? Then? He may be actually last for slander. Yeah.
Thunder, majority of the football has said that their marriages still ended forever. Abu Hanifa fear said no, because he recoiled. The wife may want to stay with him because he said, No.
I've lied. I'm sorry, do Toba, he receives a punishment. The miners may still be allowed to continue or not allowed to continue. They may be able to marry each other again, because once they bring it to court with that kind of accusation, and he's punished, it is fast. The marriage is no unknown. The difference is if he doesn't recall, and he sticks to the story, and she returns back with those things. Yeah, saying that he's a liar. I never did that. Yeah.
As the marriage becomes a node permanently, they can never get married again, it becomes a node permanently from the instance in that court when this took place, immediately with immediate effect, they are no longer husband or wife. That's the consequences of Leon. It is.
The lock, which is permanent the lock, they can never get back together again. But man and woman, so it had to has very serious consequences. That's the issue in these ayat in surah. To deal with Xena. Yeah, this is not to do with for witnesses, this is to deal with husband and wife finding each other. But that's not the, the, the road to go down. Yeah, that happened. That's not the recommended road as a Alama majority said the best way and the best route to go down is to not take it forward to the cause, but to end the marriage or resolve Yeah, this must have happened to many marriages, you know, over the centuries, and and people may have tried to save their marriages and managed to
save their marriages, I know marriages that have happened during they save their marriages. And then
they will still, you know, managed to forgive each other have one person forgive the other and carried on for years after happily. Yeah, it may not happen. So this is a choice that the husband and wife
have to make, being very careful not not pronouncing anything
unless they're absolutely certain. And this again, you can see as well, mistakes can be made. Somebody may be lying in bed with each other, but they may not have done the sexual *. And you're going to take all those offs. Yeah.
And the curse of Allah. Because Allah is gonna fall.
Clearly from the Hadith, it seems that the woman was lying. Is the Toba for her or do we say no, no, that's it. No, of course, clearly, there must be Tober. Yeah, there must be still Tober Allah is off merciful most but we're not encouraging lying. But the point here in the end, even when she said, May the Wrath of Allah be upon her does she have room to do Tober after that? She does. You have room to do Tober after doing the actual sin of Zina,
even if you take oats which are like us afterwards, which we don't encourage all of life. But if it happens, as it happened, in this case, we still say, then the matter is left between the slave and Allah Subhan Allah, Allah who is off forgiving, most merciful, and Toba is always open. They're talking about women Ramadan as a last night classes to his Ebert.
I think that's all I have.
In regards to this issue of
adultery, of fables, Ernie, the married person committing adultery.
Of course, this brings Hadith itself, in behind Muslim and other Hadith bring up the idea, the prophet starts the process of statement that the punishment for the married person committing adultery is their life to be taken.
But nevertheless, what Abu Zahra said in the 70s and we'll check on that we said as well there's still room for that, because that may well be the case at a particular period in time. Yeah, in the life of the prophet side, salam, and later become abrogated. Yeah, with the aid of Surah Tolu. And the abrogated is being taken up. Yeah, that can still be and also the Quran mentions
what I was Shabbos Zara Zara said, the Quran mention the punishment for adultery for a slave,
man or woman is half that of a free person. Now, slave slavery is not relevant now. But one of his arguments is how can you the only way
to practice half
of the punishment for a slave woman or slave man can be if it's less used, because you can't do half a stoning.
Stone stoning leads to death. You can't give half of this. So he's saying that I suppose what he says that if Allah saying that, that is the half of punishment for a slave, that would mean 50 lashes not 100 lashes and that can only be applicable halfing if lashing is the punishment for any kind of extramarital *, whether in law
Ah poor outside marriage, whether it's playing poor bit
by, we will carry on next time I hope in sha Allah to cover more to do with going a little paddling back a little bit to the dignity of all human beings of life. Yeah, because these three came with an exception. So, I want to look at the that versus and I have to deal with the dignity and Kurama of human beings, all human beings, Children of Adam and Eve and then link that with how that is one of the evidences, some people used to say that organ donation is haram. And as some of the other evidences that people mistakenly use, yeah.
So next time to be about organ donation linking with human dignity. Is it allowed blood donation, organ donation, African death organization, live organ donation, or is it not? And what is the evidence for it being allowed or not allowed? That's next time, ciao. Any questions?
On what we've covered today
I can't I can't hear whoever is speaking
Vereen? Is that you?
Something wrong with the mic? It's not from my side? I don't think.
Can you hear no. share his cell? This is definitely brother serines. Mike, I think was something from inside. Yeah. So
if it's something you would like to send on text, and I can read out or you want to give you another try?
Anybody else have a paper written? Any questions?
No, no questions?
Fine.
So this one just come through just one second. Sure. What is
what isn't someone there physically, but a cord cord? So I think
well, if someone isn't there physically, but recorded.
Ah, you need to clarify the question again, recorded. How's it recorded?
You're not allowed to spy and setup cameras anywhere? You'll be in trouble.
Yeah,
you're not even allowed to turn up suddenly, after you've been away to your own home in the family home suddenly the middle of the night. Unexpected.
So the question is worth the actives in a was recorded, but later viewed
by husband or now to something I presume that we?
I mean, the question will be who recorded it?
Maybe the client recorded it. And if it's recorded is not the same as for witnesses being present. So it's encoded by themselves and maybe leaked or something and then viewed by people.
Again, the the situation when they talk about Walmart talk about four witnesses here, the four witnesses, they mean actually physically present.
For the to be it's not saying that there won't be any punishment in a court for it.
But it won't be the HUD punishment.
The HUD punishment has to be for eyewitnesses not through cameras.
Sorry. I saw that he's just want to clarify.
It's another question. A Muslim man is able to marry a nun was Muslim women.
Sorry,
who committed Zina as in a widely practice and not seen as wrong? And does not do Toba. Sorry.
A Muslim man marrying a non Muslim woman during Zina who commits his inner Zina is widely practiced and I think is the meaning.
Who said he's allowed to marry you
Even even the allowance in the Quran given to marry women of Allah GitHub said chaste women not those going Xena
all these punishments only relevant in the country where is all these punished? So just one other question and all these punishment only relevant in countries that apply Islamic Sharia or Islamic court. Even even there who's applying listen last time whoever is asking that question wasn't here last session because I clarified about punishments.
You Yeah. And how late they came and how it wouldn't apply in the kind of society that we're living in here. Naturally.
Yes, yeah.
So for you remember that I don't intend to repeat
that because I mentioned I talked a bit about it. See a previous recording
another question.
My question was relation to number of verses in the Quran that were upgraded. And who has the authority arbitrated verses in the Quran? Now, interpret these verses directly? This brother and sister wasn't there when we did a whole session two sessions ago on abrogation in great detail for an hour and a bit you need to refer back to that I don't intend to read all that again
for those who were you remember that session?
Yeah, so you know, took me an hour to to answer that. I've already done it.
So I'm afraid it's recording but whether the recordings available to you or now you need to listen to it to that'll answer your question or you're asking
in a lot of detail.
And you'll make you realize not just willy nilly
another brothers asked for the copy of the recording, Inshallah, we will we are working on it, and we will have some news inshallah. next couple of weeks, we're just waiting for the next
couple of members of the group to come back. Inshallah we'll work on the recordings to be released to the members of the group.
Yeah, Inshallah, I think people should leave their contacts or if they're already part of chapter 25, then they'll probably more easily be able to access it or not.
Offer that's for you to announce when it's ready to, for them to see, to access these previous I think is useful. I, you know, I think it's important questions people are asking and always be new people joining us. But when they asked the question I've already answered in great detail previously, it won't do it justice, if I now try and answer it in five minutes, because you just won't get the
the right concept and ideas. And that's why I spent time on NES and abrogation, and some of the other issues. Absolutely.
Anything else?
Some TAs who didn't get it all of it again. No, inshallah we will we'll definitely work on something for this session. And I'll I'll I'll get to get to the bottom of it. Next week's
nice discussion in chapter 25. Committee to get on with it.
So
you're welcome on does Kate Shala
alright. I think if there's no the questions is nearly 25 fast. Take a look for your time.
I hope it wasn't too confusing. It was detail but you see, there's so many issues linked with each of these things.
But
I hope that you learned something from it in sha Allah.
Does that. Does that go along with Hi Ron.
If it's okay to have permission to go yesterday.
So Kamala As salam o aleikum wa rahmatullah sorry, serene, we didn't get your question, but maybe next next time. Ciao, bella. Ciao, Bella. Bella Monica.