Munir Ahmed – Allah the Creator differing niyyah in Salah of Imam and followers
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Praise indeed is all for Allah
and all gratitude to Him. We praise Him.
We seek His forgiveness, guidance and His mercy.
We seek refuge and protection of Allah
from our bad deeds as we seek his
refuge and protection from the bad that is
inside us.
Know then one who is guided by Allah,
they are truly guided.
One who is left to go astray will
not find a guide or a protector or
a helper after that and I bear witness
that there is no God but Allah
1 and only glory be to him
to
him belongs all glorification
and praise he has no partners
and I bear witness that Muhammad peace and
blessings of Allah be upon him is his
slave and messenger.
Allah Subhanallah
so glorification
is for Allah
when you reach the evening
or when you reach the morning,
the Ayah starts with
so
so it's relevant to see what's before it
as well
because
so is not the beginning of the conversation.
So the Ayah before Allah
because it's not beginning of Surahatul Rum Allah
is mentioning about
his creation.
Allah
Allah Subhana Wa Ta'la creates all things and
Allah Subhana Wa Ta'la, He mentions specifically
and He brings back
things to life again.
Then to him
is the return of all.
Oh, Allah mentions the issue in the previous
ayat is with disbelievers
in their arrogance denying that they are going
to be brought back before Allah
and forgetting that Allah
is the creator. Allahu Yabda, actually it's Allahu
Yabda.
Allah
says,
And when the hour is established, in other
words, it's going to happen,
then
the criminals,
those who rejected
disbelieved
they are described as criminals
will be in total despair
as some people said the word
comes from that.
When the hour
is established,
on that day,
the people on the day of judgement will
be divided by Allah,
the group for paradise and the group for
punishment and *.
As for those who do believe and do
good works, righteous works,
they will be the ones in gardens
in delight and happiness.
As for those who disbelieved
and rejected
our signs
and rejected
rejected
the meeting of the hereafter
They will be put in the punishment. They
will be brought and put in the punishment.
Then Allah after mentioning
how he's in control of everything,
how there is going to be a day
of judgment,
how he created and brings back to life.
He says,
so glorification
is due to Allah alone.
When you reach the evening
and when you reach the morning
at dawn time
when Allah puts it in a way of
glorification
is due but he says when you all
reach the evening and when you reach the
morning it means you glorify Allah Subhanahu Wa
Ta'ala in the morning and in the evening.
That's what it's saying.
And Tasbih Subhan, when it's used in Quran
and Sunnah on its own,
it covers all of
the remembrance of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
It means salah. It means your zikr.
It means subhanAllah.
Not only that, but it means
all of them are covered under.
Some
said that these
place in this
4 times are mentioned for salah.
And some tried to make it into 5
that this is an evidence from the Quran
of 5 daily salah. Actually, there is no
direct evidence from the Quran,
Quran of 5 daily salah. It comes from.
Yeah.
And the way to pray and what time
to pray. So these so called Quran,
they are not Quran.
This is a lie.
Those who reject the prophet
hadith
because they came across weak ones and fabricated
ones and then decided to throw the baby
out with the bathwater
they have rejected there's no way they can
pray 5 times a day they don't even
know how to pray because the Quran doesn't
explain it you cannot take out rasulullah
the shahada is of Allah and his messenger
there's no point having a shahada of the
messenger if you're not going to follow him
these people are deluded
do not follow them they are ignorant
they are ignorant the problems they have with
authentic hadith
they will have problems with the ayat of
the Quran in the end
anyway that's a side note talking of side
notes in this ayah
there is also a side note.
It's called in Arabic. In English, they say
an incidental
sentence, which is like when we say the
Prophet Muhammad
sallallahu alaihi wasalam said the sallallahu alaihi wasalam
is to praise him. It's not part of
the sentence.
It's we are saying the prophet
said
and their sentence carries on.
So salallahu alayhi is an interjection
so same in this ayah
Allah says so glorification is due to Allah
when you reach the evening and when you
reach the morning
that's the interjection.
To him belongs all the praise and gratitude
in the heavens and the earth. Now is
mentioned but the sentence carries on.
In other words, glorification
is due to Allah
when you reach the evening and when you
reach the morning
and at nighttime.
And when you reach the afternoon.
Yeah?
That's the sentence,
the 4 times that I mentioned. Yeah.
He brings
life from
dead and He brings death from life
and He gives life to the earth after
it is dead
And in a similar manner, you will be
brought back again. That's the issue, isn't it,
that's going on in these ayat?
In a similar fashion
that he brought you out.
Subhanallah, how arrogant is the human being?
We come on the earth
and we live
even with the earth in its millions
of years
and we come for how long?
60 years, 90 years,
even 100 years, if you want. A little
blip in the history of creation and existence,
isn't it?
A little blip. And before that blip, where
were we?
Nonexistent.
Did we have a choice to be created?
No. Did we demand Allah to create us?
No.
Did we exist and have a conscience anywhere?
No. Did we know anything before? No. And
then we die.
That little blip and that arrogant person comes
with everything that the creator has given them,
the very tongue, and says, oh, why are
you doing this, God?
Why are you doing this, God? Is there
a God?
Yeah. Why are you doing this? Where Allah
says,
For surely God, Allah, He does what He
wills.
And Allah
says, Allah
says,
He is not questioned. Allah is not questioned
about what he does,
but it is there who will be questioned
we got the equation the wrong way around
it is not God who's on trial
it is you and me who's on trial
you deluded people
I'm not talking to you, brothers and sisters.
I'm talking to the ungrateful human being.
Don't be deluded by their
so called clever ideas of rationality,
the rationality that Allah gave them.
It is not Allah. We have no power.
Okay. So you say, God, why did you
do that?
Okay. He does what he will. What are
you going to do about it?
What are you going to do about it?
Say, all right, I'm not going to worship
you, which is what the arrogant do, isn't
it? And what will that lead to? Does
that harm Allah in any way, brothers and
sisters?
Who is it harming?
Double harming
the person saying I'm not gonna worship you
where you gonna go in the end? It
is not Allah on trial the creator cannot
be on trial from the creature.
We are the ones under trial
as Allah
says.
Allah says
the human being, he
puts forward arguments
before God. Why this? Why that? Why that?
Let's go back to the original.
And
he or she forgets his own creation
where's he come from?
You're nothing
before the creator,
he forgets his creation
So when they talk about
evil going on, how can they be God?
How can God do this? They're trying to
understand the creator and they never can.
Go back to where did you come from?
That's why Allah says,
don't forget where you came from.
And He says,
Who is going to bring these rotten bones
back to life again?
Subhanallah.
Say subhanallah
not because of my brothers and sisters but
because of Allah glory be to Him
Allah says
He will bring
these bones back together, back to life again,
the one who made them in the first
place.
Have you forgotten that?
Where did you come from? Did you make
yourself?
Did you make yourself?
You came from nothing. You accidentally came. It's
all nonsense.
Don't be fooled by those who make all
this an accident.
Nothing is an accident.
He will bring them at who established and
made them in the first place.
And he
has absolute knowledge of all creation.
That is Allah.
Or is it that they were created from
nothing
as some claim to be nowadays
Try and use rationality to say, nothing actually
comes from nothing.
We cannot exist, whereas Allah
and the ones who say, who made Allah?
Well, he's not Allah if he's made
it is a futile question
that's why the prophet said
when somebody asked that question
that is shaitan
Say, I believe in Allah
and leave it at that.
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parked outside the masthead where the cones are.
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Even the cones.
Anyway, so Allah
and his majesty. Look, brothers and sisters,
Allah says,
and that's why the
mention of the human being being created
in these ayat. I haven't got time to
go into all of it,
but and the idea of the dead Earth
coming back to life. Allah says in the
Quran.
Allah says, We will soon show them signs
in the horizon all around them, in other
words,
and in themselves,
We will show them signs. These are not
the Ayat of the Quran.
These are signs
of His magnificence
of creation,
of the miracle of life indeed,
and so many other miracles all around us.
But the arrogant, they are deluded and deceitful
to themselves
and deceitful to others.
Until it becomes becomes
absolutely
clear to them. Who is he talking about,
Allah? To you and me. In other words,
it's absolutely clear.
That the Quran is the truth.
That the Quran is the truth. And the
signs are all around.
The more nature programmes I watch, the more
I marvel. And the more I marvel and
feel sorry for the ones producing the nature
programmes
because
it's like
the plant decided to evolve and do this
and do that. Hang on.
When did the plant have a brain to
decide to do this and to do that?
Then they say, nature decided to do this.
I'd love to meet nature. Where is he
or she?
Yeah. This was a clever ploy.
They removed God and put nature in just
to get around it.
And then when they make discoveries,
the people discovering things are not God.
The discovery,
Subhanallah,
you know, in the 1990s, if I give
some examples, they discovered a rotting whale skeleton
at the bottom of the ocean where no
human had been had been before in the
depths of darkness.
They discovered on one rib of the whale
170
organisms
which had never been seen or discovered.
And they don't exist anywhere else in the
world or the ocean before in the 19
nineties.
170 organ of 1 rib that we don't
know anything about except till the 19 nineties.
Do you marvel?
You say, oh, clever scientists, but who made
who gave intellect and cleverness to the scientists?
The one who created them.
But marvel at the fact that these and
they found under the ocean species after species
only 23 30 years ago,
yeah, in the thousands
that no human being had ever set eyes
on, who was looking after them,
who was the creator,
who was nourishing them, who was providing for
them.
Yeah.
SubhanAllah,
they find
that
there's a frog called the wood frog
that freezes
in the winter for 8 months how
the whole body and insides freeze and the
heart stops and the brain stops functioning
Yet it's not dead.
And in spring, when the thaw happens, it
comes back.
They say, the scientists,
we don't know
why and what makes the heart restart
again.
Yeah, but I know
because he can't be the frog,
because the frog's brain's frozen and dead, it's
not active, so the frog hasn't decided for
the heart to start again,
was it the heart that decided for it
to start again, it can't be,
So they say this is miraculous.
Or they say the miraculous,
the biological
miracle, anything to get away from mentioning God.
What's biological miracle mean? We don't understand it.
It means
how is it that
some flamingos
travel thousands of miles in Africa
after there's been a drought of 5 years,
10 years? You can't approximate it. And they
travel that year when the rain falls in
that area
for 1,000 of miles? How did they know
it was that year that the rain was
going to fall, the pink flamingo with its
little brain,
in their thousands from 1,000 miles away?
How? They say, oh, it's a miraculous thing
about you. We don't understand.
I'll tell you. We do understand. So I
say, oh, the water cycle is all automatic.
Water evaporates, clouds form, it falls. Yeah. Because
they think it's automatic. It's happening itself.
Is it?
So why is the rain not falling in
certain areas and other areas are getting
do you have control over it?
It's Allah
who's sending the rain.
Allah decides where it's going to fall and
after how long and whether you're going to
get a drought or whether you're not going
to get a drought glory
be to him anything
don't be deluded
nothing is automatic
Nothing is random because what is random to
you and me, it is not random before
Allah.
He is the creator. He is the master.
He is the owner.
He decides
glory be to him therefore
and all praise be to him in the
evening and in the morning
and at night time and in the afternoon.
Every time you stand up and every time
you sit down, brothers and sisters say
2nd part of Khutma, I wanna spend 5
or 10 minutes because
some people raise the issue that we in
our mosque have the imam
leading
to salas,
Jumah twice.
How is that possible?
And
raising the objection that it may not be
allowed.
This is an issue where there's been Iqtalaf
from the time of Sahaba and Tabi'in. And
the Iqtalaf
Iqtalaf
means difference of opinion. And this will continue
through the day of judgement.
But I'll tell you the basis
a little bit of why the Iqtalaf is.
It's all to do with intention.
And the issue before the scholars from the
and others was,
is the intention for the salah of the
imam
and the followers, does it have to be
the same intention or not?
For some scholars, it has to be the
same intention.
For others, it doesn't have to be. For
those who said they must have the same
intention,
they used hadith in Buhari Muslim
in which the prophet
said,
The that the imam has been made
as the one who should be followed.
So we all understand that the followers are
supposed to follow the imam.
So
prophet mentioned nothing about intention. In fact, the
rest of the hadith and other hadith
with similar words
carry on mentioning
prophet
showing
how the amount is to be followed. So
he says
So when he says Allahu Akbar, then you
all say Allahu Akbar.
And don't say Allahu Akbar until he says
Allahu Akbar.
And when he goes out in raku then
you go down in raku
and don't go down in raku until he
goes down in raku and it carries on
the hadith in a similar fashion now on
this basis because it's said in this hadith
don't
do the opposite
to what the imam is doing. In other
words, follow.
Some scholars came to the conclusion that means
that
if the imam is leading Fad prayer,
then the
followers should be in Fad prayer if the
imam is
in Nawafil prayer
or then the followers should be in as
well
and we know from hadith that the same
prayer is not repeated by any Mu'min
twice in a day. If I don't start
as I don't do it again just for
good luck.
You don't repeat prayer twice.
So that's the argument they used. However,
the argument doesn't finish there.
So when we come first
to people praying behind the imam who's doing
a Fad prayer and they've already prayed,
Can they join in the prayer?
All of the former zahib are agreed that
they can
and they do it as Nawafu
in the Masjid,
they get extra reward just for joining in.
They're all agreed with that.
So, that in itself,
the fact that the Hanafi and Malikiya also
agreed with this shows
that the ikhtila from the other hadith,
well, they would have to break the hadith
because it's saying there shouldn't be any difference.
It's showing you the intention
here. It can be changed because the intention
of the one doing nafal is not the
same as the imam's intention,
and we have plenty of evidence for that.
The prophet
where the imam is doing
Fard and the others, the prophet prayed
with the Sahaba.
After he finished, he found 2 people
at the back who didn't join in the
prayer.
So he said, bring them to me.
The 2 people came to him, and they
were trembling.
They
were trembling because the prophet ordered to be
brought to him.
Prophet said, so merciful and gentle. But just
because they were called, they're coming trembling.
So the prophet said, why did you 2
not pray?
They said, you, we already had prayed this
prayer in our tents.
He said well don't do that again if
you come to the Masjid even if you've
prayed we're praying then join in the prayer
and make it as Nawaful tatawa
so the majority of scholars said it's recommended
that you do that so you feel part
of the Muslim Ummah. So they're praying Nawafal
and the imam, the prophet would be leading
Azafar.
Yeah.
And another evidence when the prophet
finished prayer, there was one man who arrived
late and he started praying. And the prophet
said because he was praying on his own.
Yeah.
Is there anyone
who will give for you
who will give charity to this person and
pray with him
as so one of the Sahabi who had
already prayed the joins him with the prayer
of the other one, the one leading is
the one who has missed the prayer, he's
doing as The Sahabi who's joining him, giving
charity, is doing it
as.
Okay? So
there was some
with that. Now, before I run out of
time, finally, the main thing the other way,
which is that the imam,
I do my second, and I do it
as a prayer as.
And
don't agree with this.
You should know that.
Not part of any,
and
others,
they say this is fine, because we have
evidence.
We have evidence
that when the prophet
said that the imams made to follow and
don't differ with him, he gives the explanation
and you can only
differ on what's apparent.
Because if you're doing a quiet prayer, for
example,
and and the problem is I never mentioned,
the argument of the Shafi'i and Hanabi'la is
this, never mentioned as being different.
And the fact that if you're doing, the
imam, for example, might be reading Suratul Asr
in Duhr prayer because he's doing it quietly,
and you're reciting as a person behind the
Imam a different surah. Are you doing different
things? Yes, you are.
So the difference is only what is apparent,
not what is hidden.
So if the the and prophet is showing
you what's apparent,
Imam
saying
You don't then go down in sujood and
say
Of course not. Yeah. So the prophet is
explaining
the Hadith itself.
Secondly, there's plenty of evidence and the most
famous Hadith in Buhari Muslim is that of
Muwali ibn Jabal,
he used to not once, he was well
known Jabir says that he used to pray
specifically mentioned with the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa
sallam in the mosque, then he would go
to his area and he would lead his
people in
so what is he doing? Why is he
praying twice?
His second prayer cannot be found,
he's leading them as no Afl,
and in this story there is also famous
incident that he went once late and he
recited Surat Al Baqarah
in
in with his people.
Suratul Baqarah.
One of the people, he broke his prayer
from the imam Muad ibn Jabal and went
and prayed quickly on his own and went.
They told Muad that this person did this,
Muad said he has become a Monafiq,
he
is a Sahaba,
oh this man has become a Monafiq, hypocrite,
so the man went to the Prophet and
told the Prophet what happened
So the prophet
called
Mu'az ibn Jabal. He said,
Are you trying to test them and try
them? Yeah. As though you're an examiner to
them or something?
Why do you recite Surah Al Baqarah for?
He said recite like
Yeah. Short surahs.
Because the man said, you Rasool Allah, we
are people who do
labor, manual work, we have to go and
look after our crops and irrigate our fields,
and he's making.
Yeah. Anyway, that's a different story. The point
is the Muad ibn Jabal goes and he
leads
them in salah at that time. Prophet
sallam
prophet sallam himself
led slatul khawf,
which is turakas
with the companions.
That's when you're out in battle, in warfare.
So one group of Sahaba joined in for
Turakas because it's Turakat when you're out.
Yes?
Right? The prophet did salaam, that group the
the other group of Sahaba were facing the
enemy, didn't join in the salah.
Right? So first group finishes, and second group
comes now behind the prophet and prophet prays
2 more rakats now. What's he praying? Why
is the prophet praying for?
Yeah. The traveler's prayer. Because the second two
he's doing, he's doing as nawaful.
You can't have 2 prayers, the same person
doing it unless they but he's leading them
as the imam.
He's doing it as tatawwah, like Muad ibn
Jabal for Isha. The others are doing it
as Fard.
Hanafiya Malikiya said some things like, oh, yes,
it wasn't Isha. He did Maghrib
Mu'ad with the prophet and then he went
to do Isha. It was wrong because the
hadith clearly states he was lata Isha,
weak argument.
Others said
yeah but yeah prophet didn't know that Mu'ad
was doing this. SubhanAllah they brought it to
the attention and complained about Muwad doing Suratul
Batara and the prophet didn't know because he
used to do it regularly,
weak argument again
and so there are some arguments. I believe
the strongest argument is what we follow, but
you wish to follow
great respect for the Hanafi and the Malikiya
who don't want to join in such a
salah. It is your choice to do that.
And and a similar way, of course, if
difference of can take place, if the imam
is doing prayer,
yeah, or if he's doing and you are
in prayer,
you can have different
for different salahs as well in a similar
fashion. Imams doing
and you haven't prayed.
Can you go and join the imam behind
the imam and do your?
Yes. You can, but not according to the
Hanafi and Malikiya with the greatest respect
to
him.