Munir Ahmed – Allah the Creator differing niyyah in Salah of Imam and followers

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The speaker discusses the differences between the prophet's teachings and those of Jesus. The prophet is explaining the Hadith himself, while the main difference is that the prophet is himself. The main difference is that the prophet is explaining the Hadith himself. The main difference is that the prophet is explaining the Hadith himself. The main difference is that the prophet is explaining the Hadith himself. The main difference is that the prophet is explaining the Hadith himself.

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			Praise indeed is all for Allah
		
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			and all gratitude to Him. We praise Him.
		
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			We seek His forgiveness, guidance and His mercy.
		
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			We seek refuge and protection of Allah
		
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			from our bad deeds as we seek his
		
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			refuge and protection from the bad that is
		
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			inside us.
		
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			Know then one who is guided by Allah,
		
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			they are truly guided.
		
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			One who is left to go astray will
		
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			not find a guide or a protector or
		
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			a helper after that and I bear witness
		
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			that there is no God but Allah
		
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			1 and only glory be to him
		
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			to
		
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			him belongs all glorification
		
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			and praise he has no partners
		
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			and I bear witness that Muhammad peace and
		
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			blessings of Allah be upon him is his
		
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			slave and messenger.
		
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			Allah Subhanallah
		
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			so glorification
		
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			is for Allah
		
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			when you reach the evening
		
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			or when you reach the morning,
		
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			the Ayah starts with
		
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			so
		
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			so it's relevant to see what's before it
		
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			as well
		
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			because
		
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			so is not the beginning of the conversation.
		
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			So the Ayah before Allah
		
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			because it's not beginning of Surahatul Rum Allah
		
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			is mentioning about
		
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			his creation.
		
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			Allah
		
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			Allah Subhana Wa Ta'la creates all things and
		
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			Allah Subhana Wa Ta'la, He mentions specifically
		
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			and He brings back
		
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			things to life again.
		
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			Then to him
		
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			is the return of all.
		
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			Oh, Allah mentions the issue in the previous
		
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			ayat is with disbelievers
		
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			in their arrogance denying that they are going
		
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			to be brought back before Allah
		
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			and forgetting that Allah
		
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			is the creator. Allahu Yabda, actually it's Allahu
		
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			Yabda.
		
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			Allah
		
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			says,
		
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			And when the hour is established, in other
		
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			words, it's going to happen,
		
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			then
		
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			the criminals,
		
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			those who rejected
		
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			disbelieved
		
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			they are described as criminals
		
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			will be in total despair
		
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			as some people said the word
		
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			comes from that.
		
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			When the hour
		
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			is established,
		
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			on that day,
		
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			the people on the day of judgement will
		
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			be divided by Allah,
		
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			the group for paradise and the group for
		
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			punishment and *.
		
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			As for those who do believe and do
		
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			good works, righteous works,
		
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			they will be the ones in gardens
		
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			in delight and happiness.
		
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			As for those who disbelieved
		
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			and rejected
		
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			our signs
		
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			and rejected
		
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			rejected
		
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			the meeting of the hereafter
		
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			They will be put in the punishment. They
		
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			will be brought and put in the punishment.
		
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			Then Allah after mentioning
		
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			how he's in control of everything,
		
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			how there is going to be a day
		
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			of judgment,
		
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			how he created and brings back to life.
		
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			He says,
		
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			so glorification
		
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			is due to Allah alone.
		
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			When you reach the evening
		
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			and when you reach the morning
		
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			at dawn time
		
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			when Allah puts it in a way of
		
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			glorification
		
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			is due but he says when you all
		
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			reach the evening and when you reach the
		
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			morning it means you glorify Allah Subhanahu Wa
		
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			Ta'ala in the morning and in the evening.
		
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			That's what it's saying.
		
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			And Tasbih Subhan, when it's used in Quran
		
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			and Sunnah on its own,
		
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			it covers all of
		
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			the remembrance of Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala.
		
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			It means salah. It means your zikr.
		
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			It means subhanAllah.
		
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			Not only that, but it means
		
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			all of them are covered under.
		
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			Some
		
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			said that these
		
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			place in this
		
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			4 times are mentioned for salah.
		
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			And some tried to make it into 5
		
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			that this is an evidence from the Quran
		
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			of 5 daily salah. Actually, there is no
		
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			direct evidence from the Quran,
		
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			Quran of 5 daily salah. It comes from.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			And the way to pray and what time
		
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			to pray. So these so called Quran,
		
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			they are not Quran.
		
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			This is a lie.
		
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			Those who reject the prophet
		
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			hadith
		
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			because they came across weak ones and fabricated
		
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			ones and then decided to throw the baby
		
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			out with the bathwater
		
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			they have rejected there's no way they can
		
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			pray 5 times a day they don't even
		
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			know how to pray because the Quran doesn't
		
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			explain it you cannot take out rasulullah
		
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			the shahada is of Allah and his messenger
		
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			there's no point having a shahada of the
		
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			messenger if you're not going to follow him
		
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			these people are deluded
		
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			do not follow them they are ignorant
		
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			they are ignorant the problems they have with
		
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			authentic hadith
		
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			they will have problems with the ayat of
		
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			the Quran in the end
		
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			anyway that's a side note talking of side
		
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			notes in this ayah
		
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			there is also a side note.
		
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			It's called in Arabic. In English, they say
		
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			an incidental
		
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			sentence, which is like when we say the
		
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			Prophet Muhammad
		
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			sallallahu alaihi wasalam said the sallallahu alaihi wasalam
		
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			is to praise him. It's not part of
		
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			the sentence.
		
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			It's we are saying the prophet
		
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			said
		
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			and their sentence carries on.
		
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			So salallahu alayhi is an interjection
		
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			so same in this ayah
		
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			Allah says so glorification is due to Allah
		
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			when you reach the evening and when you
		
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			reach the morning
		
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			that's the interjection.
		
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			To him belongs all the praise and gratitude
		
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			in the heavens and the earth. Now is
		
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			mentioned but the sentence carries on.
		
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			In other words, glorification
		
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			is due to Allah
		
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			when you reach the evening and when you
		
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			reach the morning
		
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			and at nighttime.
		
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			And when you reach the afternoon.
		
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			Yeah?
		
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			That's the sentence,
		
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			the 4 times that I mentioned. Yeah.
		
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			He brings
		
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			life from
		
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			dead and He brings death from life
		
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			and He gives life to the earth after
		
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			it is dead
		
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			And in a similar manner, you will be
		
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			brought back again. That's the issue, isn't it,
		
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			that's going on in these ayat?
		
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			In a similar fashion
		
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			that he brought you out.
		
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			Subhanallah, how arrogant is the human being?
		
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			We come on the earth
		
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			and we live
		
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			even with the earth in its millions
		
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			of years
		
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			and we come for how long?
		
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			60 years, 90 years,
		
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			even 100 years, if you want. A little
		
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			blip in the history of creation and existence,
		
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			isn't it?
		
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			A little blip. And before that blip, where
		
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			were we?
		
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			Nonexistent.
		
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			Did we have a choice to be created?
		
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			No. Did we demand Allah to create us?
		
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			No.
		
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			Did we exist and have a conscience anywhere?
		
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			No. Did we know anything before? No. And
		
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			then we die.
		
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			That little blip and that arrogant person comes
		
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			with everything that the creator has given them,
		
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			the very tongue, and says, oh, why are
		
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			you doing this, God?
		
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			Why are you doing this, God? Is there
		
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			a God?
		
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			Yeah. Why are you doing this? Where Allah
		
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			says,
		
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			For surely God, Allah, He does what He
		
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			wills.
		
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			And Allah
		
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			says, Allah
		
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			says,
		
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			He is not questioned. Allah is not questioned
		
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			about what he does,
		
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			but it is there who will be questioned
		
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			we got the equation the wrong way around
		
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			it is not God who's on trial
		
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			it is you and me who's on trial
		
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			you deluded people
		
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			I'm not talking to you, brothers and sisters.
		
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			I'm talking to the ungrateful human being.
		
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			Don't be deluded by their
		
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			so called clever ideas of rationality,
		
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			the rationality that Allah gave them.
		
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			It is not Allah. We have no power.
		
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			Okay. So you say, God, why did you
		
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			do that?
		
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			Okay. He does what he will. What are
		
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			you going to do about it?
		
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			What are you going to do about it?
		
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			Say, all right, I'm not going to worship
		
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			you, which is what the arrogant do, isn't
		
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			it? And what will that lead to? Does
		
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			that harm Allah in any way, brothers and
		
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			sisters?
		
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			Who is it harming?
		
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			Double harming
		
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			the person saying I'm not gonna worship you
		
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			where you gonna go in the end? It
		
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			is not Allah on trial the creator cannot
		
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			be on trial from the creature.
		
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			We are the ones under trial
		
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			as Allah
		
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			says.
		
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			Allah says
		
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			the human being, he
		
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			puts forward arguments
		
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			before God. Why this? Why that? Why that?
		
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			Let's go back to the original.
		
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			And
		
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			he or she forgets his own creation
		
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			where's he come from?
		
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			You're nothing
		
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			before the creator,
		
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			he forgets his creation
		
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			So when they talk about
		
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			evil going on, how can they be God?
		
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			How can God do this? They're trying to
		
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			understand the creator and they never can.
		
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			Go back to where did you come from?
		
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			That's why Allah says,
		
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			don't forget where you came from.
		
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			And He says,
		
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			Who is going to bring these rotten bones
		
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			back to life again?
		
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			Subhanallah.
		
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			Say subhanallah
		
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			not because of my brothers and sisters but
		
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			because of Allah glory be to Him
		
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			Allah says
		
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			He will bring
		
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			these bones back together, back to life again,
		
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			the one who made them in the first
		
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			place.
		
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			Have you forgotten that?
		
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			Where did you come from? Did you make
		
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			yourself?
		
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			Did you make yourself?
		
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			You came from nothing. You accidentally came. It's
		
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			all nonsense.
		
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			Don't be fooled by those who make all
		
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			this an accident.
		
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			Nothing is an accident.
		
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			He will bring them at who established and
		
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			made them in the first place.
		
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			And he
		
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			has absolute knowledge of all creation.
		
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			That is Allah.
		
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			Or is it that they were created from
		
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			nothing
		
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			as some claim to be nowadays
		
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			Try and use rationality to say, nothing actually
		
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			comes from nothing.
		
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			We cannot exist, whereas Allah
		
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			and the ones who say, who made Allah?
		
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			Well, he's not Allah if he's made
		
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			it is a futile question
		
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			that's why the prophet said
		
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			when somebody asked that question
		
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			that is shaitan
		
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			Say, I believe in Allah
		
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			and leave it at that.
		
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			We have a black Lexus,
		
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			mn23
		
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			WSE
		
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			parked outside the masthead where the cones are.
		
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			Can you please move it now? It's causing
		
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			a problem with passing traffic.
		
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			Right outside where the cones are. 23wse.
		
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			Even the cones.
		
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			Anyway, so Allah
		
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			and his majesty. Look, brothers and sisters,
		
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			Allah says,
		
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			and that's why the
		
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			mention of the human being being created
		
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			in these ayat. I haven't got time to
		
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			go into all of it,
		
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			but and the idea of the dead Earth
		
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			coming back to life. Allah says in the
		
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			Quran.
		
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			Allah says, We will soon show them signs
		
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			in the horizon all around them, in other
		
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			words,
		
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			and in themselves,
		
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			We will show them signs. These are not
		
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			the Ayat of the Quran.
		
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			These are signs
		
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			of His magnificence
		
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			of creation,
		
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			of the miracle of life indeed,
		
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			and so many other miracles all around us.
		
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			But the arrogant, they are deluded and deceitful
		
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			to themselves
		
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			and deceitful to others.
		
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			Until it becomes becomes
		
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			absolutely
		
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			clear to them. Who is he talking about,
		
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			Allah? To you and me. In other words,
		
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			it's absolutely clear.
		
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			That the Quran is the truth.
		
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			That the Quran is the truth. And the
		
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			signs are all around.
		
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			The more nature programmes I watch, the more
		
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			I marvel. And the more I marvel and
		
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			feel sorry for the ones producing the nature
		
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			programmes
		
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			because
		
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			it's like
		
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			the plant decided to evolve and do this
		
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			and do that. Hang on.
		
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			When did the plant have a brain to
		
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			decide to do this and to do that?
		
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			Then they say, nature decided to do this.
		
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			I'd love to meet nature. Where is he
		
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			or she?
		
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			Yeah. This was a clever ploy.
		
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			They removed God and put nature in just
		
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			to get around it.
		
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			And then when they make discoveries,
		
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			the people discovering things are not God.
		
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			The discovery,
		
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			Subhanallah,
		
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			you know, in the 1990s, if I give
		
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			some examples, they discovered a rotting whale skeleton
		
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			at the bottom of the ocean where no
		
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			human had been had been before in the
		
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			depths of darkness.
		
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			They discovered on one rib of the whale
		
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			170
		
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			organisms
		
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			which had never been seen or discovered.
		
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			And they don't exist anywhere else in the
		
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			world or the ocean before in the 19
		
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			nineties.
		
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			170 organ of 1 rib that we don't
		
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			know anything about except till the 19 nineties.
		
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			Do you marvel?
		
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			You say, oh, clever scientists, but who made
		
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			who gave intellect and cleverness to the scientists?
		
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			The one who created them.
		
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			But marvel at the fact that these and
		
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			they found under the ocean species after species
		
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			only 23 30 years ago,
		
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			yeah, in the thousands
		
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			that no human being had ever set eyes
		
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			on, who was looking after them,
		
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			who was the creator,
		
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			who was nourishing them, who was providing for
		
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			them.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			SubhanAllah,
		
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			they find
		
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			that
		
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			there's a frog called the wood frog
		
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			that freezes
		
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			in the winter for 8 months how
		
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			the whole body and insides freeze and the
		
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			heart stops and the brain stops functioning
		
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			Yet it's not dead.
		
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			And in spring, when the thaw happens, it
		
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			comes back.
		
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			They say, the scientists,
		
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			we don't know
		
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			why and what makes the heart restart
		
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			again.
		
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			Yeah, but I know
		
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			because he can't be the frog,
		
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			because the frog's brain's frozen and dead, it's
		
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			not active, so the frog hasn't decided for
		
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			the heart to start again,
		
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			was it the heart that decided for it
		
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			to start again, it can't be,
		
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			So they say this is miraculous.
		
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			Or they say the miraculous,
		
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			the biological
		
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			miracle, anything to get away from mentioning God.
		
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			What's biological miracle mean? We don't understand it.
		
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			It means
		
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			how is it that
		
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			some flamingos
		
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			travel thousands of miles in Africa
		
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			after there's been a drought of 5 years,
		
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			10 years? You can't approximate it. And they
		
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			travel that year when the rain falls in
		
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			that area
		
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			for 1,000 of miles? How did they know
		
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			it was that year that the rain was
		
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			going to fall, the pink flamingo with its
		
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			little brain,
		
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			in their thousands from 1,000 miles away?
		
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			How? They say, oh, it's a miraculous thing
		
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			about you. We don't understand.
		
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			I'll tell you. We do understand. So I
		
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			say, oh, the water cycle is all automatic.
		
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			Water evaporates, clouds form, it falls. Yeah. Because
		
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			they think it's automatic. It's happening itself.
		
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			Is it?
		
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			So why is the rain not falling in
		
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			certain areas and other areas are getting
		
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			do you have control over it?
		
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			It's Allah
		
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			who's sending the rain.
		
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			Allah decides where it's going to fall and
		
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			after how long and whether you're going to
		
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			get a drought or whether you're not going
		
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			to get a drought glory
		
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			be to him anything
		
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			don't be deluded
		
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			nothing is automatic
		
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			Nothing is random because what is random to
		
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			you and me, it is not random before
		
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			Allah.
		
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			He is the creator. He is the master.
		
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			He is the owner.
		
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			He decides
		
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			glory be to him therefore
		
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			and all praise be to him in the
		
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			evening and in the morning
		
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			and at night time and in the afternoon.
		
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			Every time you stand up and every time
		
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			you sit down, brothers and sisters say
		
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			2nd part of Khutma, I wanna spend 5
		
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			or 10 minutes because
		
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			some people raise the issue that we in
		
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			our mosque have the imam
		
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			leading
		
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			to salas,
		
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			Jumah twice.
		
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			How is that possible?
		
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			And
		
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			raising the objection that it may not be
		
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			allowed.
		
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			This is an issue where there's been Iqtalaf
		
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			from the time of Sahaba and Tabi'in. And
		
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			the Iqtalaf
		
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			Iqtalaf
		
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			means difference of opinion. And this will continue
		
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			through the day of judgement.
		
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			But I'll tell you the basis
		
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			a little bit of why the Iqtalaf is.
		
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			It's all to do with intention.
		
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			And the issue before the scholars from the
		
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			and others was,
		
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			is the intention for the salah of the
		
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			imam
		
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			and the followers, does it have to be
		
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			the same intention or not?
		
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			For some scholars, it has to be the
		
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			same intention.
		
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			For others, it doesn't have to be. For
		
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			those who said they must have the same
		
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			intention,
		
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			they used hadith in Buhari Muslim
		
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			in which the prophet
		
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			said,
		
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			The that the imam has been made
		
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			as the one who should be followed.
		
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			So we all understand that the followers are
		
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			supposed to follow the imam.
		
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			So
		
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			prophet mentioned nothing about intention. In fact, the
		
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			rest of the hadith and other hadith
		
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			with similar words
		
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			carry on mentioning
		
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			prophet
		
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			showing
		
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			how the amount is to be followed. So
		
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			he says
		
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			So when he says Allahu Akbar, then you
		
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			all say Allahu Akbar.
		
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			And don't say Allahu Akbar until he says
		
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			Allahu Akbar.
		
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			And when he goes out in raku then
		
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			you go down in raku
		
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			and don't go down in raku until he
		
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			goes down in raku and it carries on
		
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			the hadith in a similar fashion now on
		
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			this basis because it's said in this hadith
		
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			don't
		
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			do the opposite
		
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			to what the imam is doing. In other
		
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			words, follow.
		
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			Some scholars came to the conclusion that means
		
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			that
		
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			if the imam is leading Fad prayer,
		
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			then the
		
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			followers should be in Fad prayer if the
		
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			imam is
		
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			in Nawafil prayer
		
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			or then the followers should be in as
		
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			well
		
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			and we know from hadith that the same
		
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			prayer is not repeated by any Mu'min
		
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			twice in a day. If I don't start
		
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			as I don't do it again just for
		
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			good luck.
		
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			You don't repeat prayer twice.
		
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			So that's the argument they used. However,
		
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			the argument doesn't finish there.
		
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			So when we come first
		
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			to people praying behind the imam who's doing
		
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			a Fad prayer and they've already prayed,
		
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			Can they join in the prayer?
		
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			All of the former zahib are agreed that
		
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			they can
		
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			and they do it as Nawafu
		
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			in the Masjid,
		
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			they get extra reward just for joining in.
		
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			They're all agreed with that.
		
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			So, that in itself,
		
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			the fact that the Hanafi and Malikiya also
		
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			agreed with this shows
		
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			that the ikhtila from the other hadith,
		
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			well, they would have to break the hadith
		
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			because it's saying there shouldn't be any difference.
		
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			It's showing you the intention
		
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			here. It can be changed because the intention
		
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			of the one doing nafal is not the
		
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			same as the imam's intention,
		
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			and we have plenty of evidence for that.
		
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			The prophet
		
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			where the imam is doing
		
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			Fard and the others, the prophet prayed
		
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			with the Sahaba.
		
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			After he finished, he found 2 people
		
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			at the back who didn't join in the
		
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			prayer.
		
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			So he said, bring them to me.
		
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			The 2 people came to him, and they
		
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			were trembling.
		
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			They
		
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			were trembling because the prophet ordered to be
		
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			brought to him.
		
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			Prophet said, so merciful and gentle. But just
		
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			because they were called, they're coming trembling.
		
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			So the prophet said, why did you 2
		
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			not pray?
		
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			They said, you, we already had prayed this
		
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			prayer in our tents.
		
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			He said well don't do that again if
		
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			you come to the Masjid even if you've
		
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			prayed we're praying then join in the prayer
		
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			and make it as Nawaful tatawa
		
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			so the majority of scholars said it's recommended
		
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			that you do that so you feel part
		
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			of the Muslim Ummah. So they're praying Nawafal
		
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			and the imam, the prophet would be leading
		
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			Azafar.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			And another evidence when the prophet
		
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			finished prayer, there was one man who arrived
		
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			late and he started praying. And the prophet
		
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			said because he was praying on his own.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Is there anyone
		
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			who will give for you
		
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			who will give charity to this person and
		
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			pray with him
		
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			as so one of the Sahabi who had
		
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			already prayed the joins him with the prayer
		
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			of the other one, the one leading is
		
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			the one who has missed the prayer, he's
		
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			doing as The Sahabi who's joining him, giving
		
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			charity, is doing it
		
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			as.
		
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			Okay? So
		
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			there was some
		
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			with that. Now, before I run out of
		
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			time, finally, the main thing the other way,
		
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			which is that the imam,
		
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			I do my second, and I do it
		
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			as a prayer as.
		
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			And
		
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			don't agree with this.
		
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			You should know that.
		
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			Not part of any,
		
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			and
		
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			others,
		
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			they say this is fine, because we have
		
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			evidence.
		
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			We have evidence
		
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			that when the prophet
		
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			said that the imams made to follow and
		
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			don't differ with him, he gives the explanation
		
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			and you can only
		
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			differ on what's apparent.
		
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			Because if you're doing a quiet prayer, for
		
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			example,
		
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			and and the problem is I never mentioned,
		
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			the argument of the Shafi'i and Hanabi'la is
		
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			this, never mentioned as being different.
		
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			And the fact that if you're doing, the
		
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			imam, for example, might be reading Suratul Asr
		
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			in Duhr prayer because he's doing it quietly,
		
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			and you're reciting as a person behind the
		
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			Imam a different surah. Are you doing different
		
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			things? Yes, you are.
		
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			So the difference is only what is apparent,
		
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			not what is hidden.
		
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			So if the the and prophet is showing
		
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			you what's apparent,
		
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			Imam
		
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			saying
		
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			You don't then go down in sujood and
		
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			say
		
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			Of course not. Yeah. So the prophet is
		
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			explaining
		
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			the Hadith itself.
		
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			Secondly, there's plenty of evidence and the most
		
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			famous Hadith in Buhari Muslim is that of
		
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			Muwali ibn Jabal,
		
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			he used to not once, he was well
		
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			known Jabir says that he used to pray
		
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			specifically mentioned with the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa
		
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			sallam in the mosque, then he would go
		
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			to his area and he would lead his
		
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			people in
		
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			so what is he doing? Why is he
		
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			praying twice?
		
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			His second prayer cannot be found,
		
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			he's leading them as no Afl,
		
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			and in this story there is also famous
		
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			incident that he went once late and he
		
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			recited Surat Al Baqarah
		
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			in
		
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			in with his people.
		
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			Suratul Baqarah.
		
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			One of the people, he broke his prayer
		
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			from the imam Muad ibn Jabal and went
		
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			and prayed quickly on his own and went.
		
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			They told Muad that this person did this,
		
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			Muad said he has become a Monafiq,
		
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			he
		
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			is a Sahaba,
		
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			oh this man has become a Monafiq, hypocrite,
		
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			so the man went to the Prophet and
		
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			told the Prophet what happened
		
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			So the prophet
		
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			called
		
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			Mu'az ibn Jabal. He said,
		
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			Are you trying to test them and try
		
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			them? Yeah. As though you're an examiner to
		
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			them or something?
		
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			Why do you recite Surah Al Baqarah for?
		
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			He said recite like
		
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			Yeah. Short surahs.
		
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			Because the man said, you Rasool Allah, we
		
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			are people who do
		
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			labor, manual work, we have to go and
		
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			look after our crops and irrigate our fields,
		
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			and he's making.
		
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			Yeah. Anyway, that's a different story. The point
		
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			is the Muad ibn Jabal goes and he
		
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			leads
		
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			them in salah at that time. Prophet
		
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			sallam
		
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			prophet sallam himself
		
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			led slatul khawf,
		
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			which is turakas
		
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			with the companions.
		
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			That's when you're out in battle, in warfare.
		
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			So one group of Sahaba joined in for
		
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			Turakas because it's Turakat when you're out.
		
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			Yes?
		
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			Right? The prophet did salaam, that group the
		
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			the other group of Sahaba were facing the
		
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			enemy, didn't join in the salah.
		
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			Right? So first group finishes, and second group
		
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			comes now behind the prophet and prophet prays
		
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			2 more rakats now. What's he praying? Why
		
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			is the prophet praying for?
		
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			Yeah. The traveler's prayer. Because the second two
		
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			he's doing, he's doing as nawaful.
		
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			You can't have 2 prayers, the same person
		
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			doing it unless they but he's leading them
		
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			as the imam.
		
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			He's doing it as tatawwah, like Muad ibn
		
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			Jabal for Isha. The others are doing it
		
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			as Fard.
		
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			Hanafiya Malikiya said some things like, oh, yes,
		
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			it wasn't Isha. He did Maghrib
		
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			Mu'ad with the prophet and then he went
		
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			to do Isha. It was wrong because the
		
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			hadith clearly states he was lata Isha,
		
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			weak argument.
		
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			Others said
		
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			yeah but yeah prophet didn't know that Mu'ad
		
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			was doing this. SubhanAllah they brought it to
		
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			the attention and complained about Muwad doing Suratul
		
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			Batara and the prophet didn't know because he
		
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			used to do it regularly,
		
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			weak argument again
		
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			and so there are some arguments. I believe
		
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			the strongest argument is what we follow, but
		
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			you wish to follow
		
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			great respect for the Hanafi and the Malikiya
		
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			who don't want to join in such a
		
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			salah. It is your choice to do that.
		
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			And and a similar way, of course, if
		
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			difference of can take place, if the imam
		
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			is doing prayer,
		
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			yeah, or if he's doing and you are
		
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			in prayer,
		
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			you can have different
		
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			for different salahs as well in a similar
		
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			fashion. Imams doing
		
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			and you haven't prayed.
		
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			Can you go and join the imam behind
		
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			the imam and do your?
		
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			Yes. You can, but not according to the
		
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			Hanafi and Malikiya with the greatest respect
		
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			to
		
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			him.