Mohammed Hijab – Joe Rogan’s Take on the Palestine-Israel Conflict with Hazem El Seddiq

			Salam Alaikum, Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh How are you guys doing? I'm doing with a very special
guest, who's very famous in the Arab world. And he's also getting involved in things in the English
world. As brother hasn't how're you doing? I'm good. I think Shala brother hasn't is a Muslim
filmmaker and YouTuber podcaster. Very, very well respected in the Arab world. What we're gonna be
doing today is I want you to meet a new.
		

			We're both from Egypt from the Arab world. And we're both Muslim people reacting to this situation
in Palestine. And we're both very affected by it. But I saw something of Joe Rogan, you know who Joe
Rogan? Definitely,
		

			I suppose something which made me respect him a little bit, a little bit more. Okay, and I want us
to show it to you and that we can react to it together. Let's do it. So if you're a Palestinian and
you live in Gaza, you're just you're just stuck. You're stuck forever. And that's why these people
are like people from America. They're like, why that, you know, that's why you have this mantra
like, oh, they want to die, they raised their kids to be suicide bombers know, when you're in Gaza,
you are born dead.
		

			You don't have a life. So that's why these people are giving up their lives to send a message to us.
That's why they're doing this, that's the only reason they're doing this is to send a message to us,
help us. That's all they can do is use their bodies.
		

			It's just terrifying to me forget about whether it's Israel or Palestine, forget about what it is
the idea that people could be stuck, born stuck in this spot and really have no recourse and not
know where to go. And just be thought of by people that live just a few miles away from you. You're
a sub human. And that the fact that someone can make that T shirt with one bullet two kills and show
a pregnant woman with crosshairs on her belly. That scares the shit out of me.
		

			So what do you what do you think of that?
		

			I don't know, man, I'm used to asking questions. So like, what happened to you, for example, on
Piers Morgan and stuff, and you talking about Ben Shapiro, and you're like you, you've talked to
Jordan Peterson and stuff. So I think the issue is, we we get caught up on what these people say.
And we're almost kind of looking for them to give us kind of approval, or yes, you know, yeah. So I
know what he says, is kind of like it. Yeah, I mean, it does make sense. Yeah. But it's, it's kind
of sugar coated a little bit. Yes. You know, like Ben Shapiro is like, Okay, we listened to him. It
makes sense. When he talks about LGBT and all that stuff. It's like, okay, this guy says what I want
		

			to say, Yeah, but at the same time, he's like, killed these, you know, we have to kill as much and
stuff. So I'm trying to figure out what the balance should be of listening to these people. Like,
for example, Jordan Peterson, I was with a good friend of mine. And he started listening to him. And
the series that he makes about the Bible, the Biblical stuff. And he's now a Christian, because of
him, right? So
		

			I don't know, it's,
		

			I'm not waiting for this kind of approval. Although I am happy that I'm happy for him. But it
doesn't affect me. Like it doesn't, it shouldn't even make me happy. Do you know one thing is,
there's a famous saying, I don't know who said it. But it's a very famous thing. It says that if you
want to know who rules over you, look at who you can't criticize. And we've seen a lot of people in
the right wing we've seen, obviously, Ben Shapiro has invested. Jordan Peterson you mentioned who
has recently just been coming out and attacking the cause and cooling effectively, personally, I had
to give them * or whatever it is, which entails the killing of civilians effectively. And we've
		

			seen other people from Piers Morgan, who had been on the show have a very strong bias towards
Palestine, against Palestine and for Israel. We've seen these kinds of things. And in this in the
context of all that this sounds much, much, much better. Like for example, you mentioned subhuman.
So he's he's, he is alluding to the fact that there's dehumanization going on in Israel. He is
alluding to the fact that what's going there is not favorable conditions. He isn't taking a strong
pro Israeli style us stance, which in my view, is so much better than his compatriots. However, as
you mentioned, is sugar coated a bit and I agree fully with your sentiment. It's a really it's an
		

			excellent point. But it shows us who's controlled and who's not. And this is not just for the Muslim
community. But as people I've seen, even with Piers Morgan and Jordan Peterson, well, I've been
analyzing the comment section I've been analyzing everything. What I found is that it seems to me
that it's not just within the Muslim community, people outside of the Muslim community are now
consider them to be hypocrites, and people that are effectively being paid to say what they're
saying. And that is so dishonorable for them. It's so it's the worst thing that could potentially be
marred with I think, because
		

			If you think about what they preach, truth, journalism, honesty, transparency, 12 rules, whatever it
may be speak the truth, even if it's not expedient or whatever, maybe this flies in the face of all
of that, doesn't it? And so I like the idea that it's a sugarcoating that we're not waiting for the
approval.
		

			But do you think that sometimes giving these people a little bit of incentive for being brave
effectively for saying something which they know that it's gonna get them? Backlash with certain
members of the community? is something we Muslims could do? strategically?
		

			I think so. I think,
		

			like, I told you, I could be like, Good for him. Yeah. But at the same time, when he was speaking,
he's like, like, regardless of it being like, like, he tried to distance it from being yes, that
kind of issue yesterday. And so it again, it's, it's not what I'm trying, it's not the same thing.
Yep. Right. For us. It's not even about land, right? For us, it's a religious cause. It's not just
about like, these are, you know, invaders or anything, right. And like so. So I know what you're
trying to say is, and the part about him being being able to say what he wants, like, that's what I
wanted to ask you, maybe about.
		

			You come from Egypt. So you kind of think that, well, I'm going to Canada, or UK or whatever. So I
can say what I want. Right? But then you come here and then during big events, like, you know, the
the parades of the against the LGBT and stuff that happened here in Canada, like the very big
organizations here in Canada weren't, you know, we're in pushing for it weren't promoting it? Right.
So the question of, is freedom of speech actually a thing? That's a beautiful question. And that's
something someone like Joe Rogan, has been speaking about it for very many years. And people in the
right wing, they should be answering this question, because a lot of them have been jumping on the
		

			bandwagon. And saying that the waving of Palestinian flags and protests should be illegal. We're
seeing people now have been communicating people here in Canada, and people in UK, and all over the
West, saying that they're finding problems at work. They're finding problems at work in different
places. Because they've, they've been noticed by their employers to be pro Palestinian. And they're
connecting that with terrorism, all kinds of things. It's the first time in history, my life I've
ever seen such difficulties and complications that people are facing, because of activism of a pro
Palestinian kind. So much so that we're considering starting some kind of name and shame
		

			organization to see which organizations are actually attacking Muslim people or pro Palestinian
people in this way. And for us to name and shame them. And this might be an action that we take. But
the point is, there's a huge hypocrisy here. The right wing, which is whole mantra is freedom of
speech and expression is effectively but large swathes of it telling us no you can't do this kind of
protest can't wait that kind of lag. You should stop this and it's unbelievable who it's coming
from.
		

			But because time is of the essence, I really have enjoyed your your contribution, and otherwise,
your YouTube channel for someone who wants to join, you could just type in hasm HS at em, Sadiq,
beautiful. English and Arabic, you got stuff in both languages. Yeah. I'm sure people will want to
hear you insights. And you've got some fantastic and also a podcast called Why? Why? Yeah, it's an
Arabic, myself and two other brothers, we talk about religion in a very casual manner. 100 That's
one of the best. Not best, but what it's, you know, it's kind of
		

			it's kind of big in the Middle East Shore. Sure. Perfect. Well, thank you so much for the
opportunity. And it's I'm sure guys that you subscribe to this channel, and you keep at it with the
PR war, because we have a public opinion perspective right now are in an unprecedented place where
we're pushing and the people are seeing the fake news. People are saying this is nonsense. We also
people are being paid to support Zionism and the voice of the Muslims. Now everyone's watching us we
collectively have a massive responsibility. Please, let's take this opportunity to spread our
message and to strengthen our ranks and to be united as Muslims, what our Albery will tackle and
		

			come together on goodness and righteousness. Well, Salaam Alaikum wa rahmatullah wa