Maryam Amir – Does God Really Care

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The speakers emphasize the importance of finding ways to be agents of change and finding ways to hold people accountable for their actions. They also emphasize the need for groups to address mental health issues and promote small groups to build communities. The speakers emphasize the importance of women in the Islam community and the negative impact of Greek philosophy on society. The speakers emphasize the need for small groups to discuss issues and offer support, finding a solution to the problem of under acknowledging certain communities and mistaking them for " welcoming" in their generation.

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			Um, it's my honor and pleasure to
welcome you all and introduce you
		
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			to this event and program that
we're doing
		
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			this afternoon. So my name is Imam
Sohei Sultan. I serve here as the
		
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			full time Muslim chaplain, and I
direct the Muslim Life program,
		
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			which has been around for about
seven years now on this campus,
		
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			and we host all sorts of
conversations, programs, events.
		
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			You know that really just engage a
whole host of issues, from
		
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			theology to spirituality, from
politics to society. And I know a
		
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			lot of you are regular. Some of
you are news or Welcome to
		
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			everyone. And if you are new to
the community, I would welcome you
		
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			to please sign up for our email
list so we can keep in touch with
		
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			you and you know the weekly
happenings that we have through
		
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			the Muslim Life program.
		
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			So today, we're very honored and
pleased to have with us. Ustada
		
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			Maryam Amir Ibrahimi, and I'm just
going to read a little bit of her
		
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			biography.
		
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			Maryam Amir Ibrahimi received her
Master's in Social Justice
		
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			Education from UCLA, where her
research focused on the effects of
		
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			mentorship, rooted in critical
race theory for urban high school
		
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			students of color. She holds a
bachelor's in child and adolescent
		
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			development from San Jose State
University, where
		
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			she served as the president of the
Muslim Student Association for two
		
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			consecutive years. Currently, she
is pursuing a second bachelor's
		
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			degree in Islamic studies
throughout Azhar University's
		
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			distance learning program. Maryam
spent a year studying the Arabic
		
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			language and Quran in Cairo,
Egypt, and has memorized the
		
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			entire Quran. She has been
presented the Student of the Year
		
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			Award by former California
Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger,
		
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			and holds a second degree black
belt in Taekwondo.
		
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			She writes about topics related to
social realities, women's studies
		
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			and spiritual connections on the
popular online blog sohaveweb.com
		
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			otherwise known as the virtual
mosque online. Maryam is a dynamic
		
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			and outspoken proponent for social
justice and women's rights on a
		
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			more personal level, you know, we
had, I had the honor of inviting
		
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			Maria mamir Brahimi to this year's
ISNA Convention, which happened in
		
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			Detroit when I was chairing the
program committee, and she spoke
		
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			on a panel called generations
rise, which highlighted some of
		
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			the people from this next
generation who are, you know,
		
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			taking leadership roles in the
community, and mashallah
		
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			afterward. So many people are
coming up to me and being like,
		
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			who was that? Saying? That? Go
introduce yourself and go,
		
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			No, not at all. And she's just an
incredible voice. I encourage you
		
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			to get to know her while she's
here, and also to follow her
		
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			articles on virtual mosque online,
there's some fantastic articles. I
		
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			read them quite regularly to
figure out my relationships.
		
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			So without any further ado, I just
want to give it over to meridian
		
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			of
		
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			God, the Most Gracious and Most
Merciful. May the peace and
		
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			blessings of God be upon all of
you and upon our beloved father
		
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			and Prophet, Adam, our beloved
mother, Eve, all of their progeny
		
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			of Prophets, Muhammad, peace be
upon him. Everyone who we loved
		
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			and everyone that you love. We're
going to talk about something very
		
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			personal today, and that are some
of the struggles that we go
		
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			through, and a lot of times in our
community, because we feel like
		
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			we're not able to express the
difficulties that we go through in
		
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			a public space. Sometimes we have
to keep those things in a very,
		
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			very low key, private way. And
because we do that, we don't
		
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			necessarily find the support that
we sometimes need. Sometimes, when
		
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			we go through hardships, it's
difficult for us to understand
		
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			what this means in relationship,
not just to ourselves and our
		
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			families in the community, but
also what that means with regards
		
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			to our relationship with God
himself. So today, what we're
		
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			going to talk about is whether or
not God actually cares how that
		
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			actually looks, and how by
discussing issues within our
		
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			community, we can ourselves be
agents of change that can help
		
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			create a new discussion of how
much God is indeed involved in our
		
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			own lives, through his knowledge
and his love and also through his
		
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			closeness to us, that God,
willing, will be able to feel what
		
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			we're going to do in the
beginning, though, is I'm going to
		
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			ask for all of you to anonymously
write one struggle that You
		
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			personally go through, or someone
that you know, I'd like you to be
		
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			really honest about it. A lot of
times people say, Oh, I struggle
		
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			with being able to balance family
and school, or they'll say, I
		
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			struggle with time management. And
those are struggles that are
		
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			legitimate struggles, and if that
is the the most difficult struggle
		
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			in your life, I pray that it will
stay that way, and you're welcome
		
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			to write that on the card.
		
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			Right? But what this space is
supposed to be is to kind of
		
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			discuss some of the things that we
don't usually get to talk about in
		
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			public spaces. This is anonymous.
No one's going to know who wrote
		
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			what on the card, and you don't
have to write your struggle. It
		
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			can be something that you know
from someone else, but many people
		
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			have spoken to me about issues
that range from mental health,
		
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			incredible depression that
sometimes is because of family
		
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			situations or school situations.
It could come from abuse. It could
		
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			come from just feeling overwhelmed
and identity crisis. All of us go
		
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			through difficult times. It's not
something that's unique to you,
		
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			but the reality is that if we're
able to heal through discussion,
		
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			we can also understand how God
plays a role in that discussion.
		
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			So please take a moment to just go
ahead and write on the index cards
		
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			that are going to be passed out
one thing that you struggle with,
		
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			or someone that you know. I'm
going to read them all out loud. I
		
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			don't know what any of your
handwriting looks like, so I'm not
		
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			going to know it's you. And
Inshallah, after that, we're going
		
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			to talk about how that relates to
whether or not God cares, and how
		
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			we can understand that in our
lives,
		
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			someone else in this room is going
through
		
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			this room of very, very few
people, imagine that multiplied by
		
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			how many of the people within the
United States of just the Muslim
		
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			American community. So the first
thing is, know that whatever we're
		
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			about to read this is, I think at
least the 17th time that I read
		
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			this. So this may laugh, and the
reason I want to say that is just
		
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			because it's very common, it's
normal and it's okay, money, not
		
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			enough, no immediate source of
income. Yes, thank you for
		
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			sharing.
		
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			How do you reconcile God's love
with the way he deals with those
		
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			who disobey.
		
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			My friend, sexuality
		
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			challenges, no travel,
Hamdulillah. So danger of falling
		
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			into state of khalafla or non God
consciousness, I
		
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			struggle with reconciling my
religion with the realities and
		
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			values of this modern, modern
world,
		
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			Black would be man or faith.
		
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			How do I maintain the fear of God,
a fear of Allah? I trust in His
		
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			plan when it comes to interactions
with the opposite, and trust in
		
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			His plan when it comes to the
interactions with opposite, with
		
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			the opposite gender, particularly
in college,
		
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			performing my prayers on time and
with more humility,
		
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			time management,
		
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			anger. Why me living with in laws?
		
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			I think when, when there are those
murmurs, it's because people
		
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			understand
		
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			difficulty figuring out if it's
better to just forget my past or
		
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			to always be praying for
forgiveness for it, or is it
		
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			easier for me to just forget it,
but not righteous? I just want to
		
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			move on, move forward and
constantly become better.
		
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			Ignorance,
		
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			ignorance amongst Muslims,
		
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			homeless and because of it, not
with kids separated,
		
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			yes,
		
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			with my second marriage, divorce
came suddenly and ended with only
		
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			six months of living in the same
household, I struggle with my
		
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			husband having never paid my
dowry, he refuses to reply. We've
		
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			been divorced for nearly 19 years.
		
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			How is it that modern mentalities
and Quranic injunctions can be so
		
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			out of stock? Many modern Muslims
consider the Purdue inherently
		
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			unethical and feel this with great
conviction. How does one reconcile
		
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			one's feelings with the poor
addict who dude
		
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			who do it, by the way, means like
punishments or consequences.
		
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			On Thanksgiving Day, we lost my
stepmother. He died of a drug
		
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			overdose at age 22 I am so sorry
for your loss. I don't know who
		
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			this is, but May God make it easy
for your family. He has been clean
		
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			for six months the day before I
		
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			Oh, the day before I mourn for
Him, every Thanksgiving, every
		
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			birthday. Of course, anyone of us
who's lost someone understands
		
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			this, and we're going to talk
about loss, especially today. May
		
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			God be with your family and make
it easy for you, how to control
		
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			anxiety and not get overwhelmed
when making decisions, how not to
		
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			fuss about little things.
		
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			Dealing with remorse
		
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			on past events that cause pain,
		
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			I feel alone
		
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			anxiety over judgment,
		
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			anxiety mental health.
		
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			My daughter questions about Islam,
dealing with my co workers.
		
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			Sometimes
		
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			I struggle with going about my day
around prayer rather than going
		
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			about my day around.
		
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			Distractions of this world.
		
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			I'd like to take a second to thank
all of you for actually sharing
		
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			things are very personal. It's
very difficult to do something
		
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			like that even when it's
anonymous, and the fact that you
		
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			did share something about the
space, the fact that you can feel
		
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			that safe to share something
anonymously. The second thing is,
		
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			it takes incredible courage to own
your words even if it's anonymous.
		
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			So in this moment, I'd like to
take a moment and just put your
		
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			hands together, if you're next to
someone you're comfortable with,
		
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			put your hand on them and do do me
a favor, and just like, send a
		
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			vibe of love, really quickly. Love
vibe, feeling it. You can hold
		
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			your own hands.
		
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			Okay? Thank you so much. A lot of
the things that were mentioned are
		
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			very, very personal, and some of
them were general things that many
		
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			of us deal with when we're dealing
with this type of pain, it's going
		
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			to affect the way that we feel
about ourselves, the way we feel
		
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			about people that love us, our
families. It's very easy for us to
		
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			feel alone, especially because
these types of circles don't
		
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			happen very often in our
community. One of the messages
		
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			that that sends to us as believers
or as congregants in a community
		
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			is when you can't openly discuss
things, when you don't know who to
		
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			seek help from or mentorship from,
and in a sense, it's also saying
		
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			that God is not available for you
to have conversations with him
		
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			when we're not providing those
spaces in our own centers. It's
		
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			very easy for us to feel like the
one we're supposed to be
		
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			worshiping in these centers is not
accessible to us. So some of the
		
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			things were reflected like not
being able to forgive myself, not
		
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			knowing how to cope with the way
that I feel and the way that I
		
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			think my religion says I'm
supposed to believe, with how I
		
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			actually see life act going around
you and how I'm supposed to live.
		
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			These are common, common
questions. What we're going to do
		
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			right now, God willing, is we're
going to talk about somebody in
		
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			history who dealt with an identity
crisis, which many of us have
		
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			dealt with before, someone who
dealt with depression, someone who
		
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			dealt with loss. We're going to
talk about somebody who dealt with
		
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			financial issues, somebody who
dealt with not just not just
		
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			abuse, but complete rejection,
complete slander. These are a lot
		
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			of things that if one person dealt
with, it would be very hard for
		
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			many of us, as some of these
actually mentioned, but I want you
		
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			to think about if you have to deal
with every single one of those
		
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			through a lifetime, and many of us
will. How do we feel like God
		
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			cares about us when we have to
keep going through all that pain?
		
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			The person that I'm talking about?
Does anyone have any guess of who
		
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			it could possibly be? Yeah,
		
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			yes, the problem kind of peacey
upon him when he was given the
		
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			revelation and he came to Khadija,
his wife, what he said to her, and
		
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			he was afraid and he was nervous,
and he thought he went crazy. What
		
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			he told her was, what is wrong
with me, what is wrong with me.
		
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			And many of you have had that same
exact response to something, what
		
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			is wrong with me, what's wrong
with my life. Why can't I get
		
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			things together? Why do these
things keep happening to me? Very
		
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			similar sentiment to what the
Prophet peace upon him said, and
		
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			her response is something we're
going to reflect on tonight,
		
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			because it's a response that's
going to be effective for every
		
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			single one of us when we're going
through the same things. She told
		
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			us that God would not abandon you,
God would not abandon you. And
		
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			then what? Because of what? Who
knows what she told him because
		
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			of,
		
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			yes, she can't. She continued to
tell him things that he did for
		
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			other people, and many of you have
heard this story, the way that he
		
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			took care of people, the way he
hosted people, how he stood up for
		
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			injustice. She reminded him that
God would be with him, and
		
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			connected that to the fact that he
was somebody who cared about other
		
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			people. So we're going to look at
what those two things mean tonight
		
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			and in connection to the things
that we just expressed about our
		
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			own lives. The first one is
knowing that God is with you, that
		
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			God would never abandon you. So
someone mentioned the loss of a
		
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			brother, a step brother, which is
a brother. And many of us have
		
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			lost loved ones. How many of you
raise your hand? Have lost
		
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			somebody who you are close to?
Please raise it. May God have
		
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			mercy. May God make it easy. It's
not it's it is so hard, and that
		
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			pain might change over time. It
might get a little less, but it
		
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			never goes away. And when you sit
and you reflect on it, it's still
		
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			there, even after many years, my
grandparents, both of them, God
		
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			have mercy on both of them. They
were both in my grandpa passed
		
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			away two years ago, two months
apart from each other all of a
		
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			sudden, and it was so hard for me,
and these were my grandpas, who I
		
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			was very close to. But imagine if
it was your parent or your spouse
		
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			or a child your stepbrother. God.
Have mercy on them. Now the
		
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			Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon
him. We know that he went through
		
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			a lifetime of rejection, of abuse
and loss. He lost Khadija right
		
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			now. She was the one who supported
him, loved her, financially,
		
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			helped him, the mother of their
children, and she lost him, not
		
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			because she was too old or because
she had some type of, you know,
		
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			some type of physical illness. She
became sick because of what they
		
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			went through.
		
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			Her. So, yes, it was sickness, but
it was something that was caused
		
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			to her, inflicted upon her. He
lost his rock, and then after
		
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			losing his rock, he lost his
supporter, who's his uncle, right?
		
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			So he loses both of them in such a
short time period, and then after
		
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			losing both of them, he's hopeful
that maybe he could go to another
		
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			city away from the people who
persecuted him and protect himself
		
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			from such persecution through the
support of others who might
		
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			believe in his message, or at
least would be able to provide him
		
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			that same type of security he had
he goes to live. What happened on
		
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			time where people like, yes, we
want you. Nah. They were so upset,
		
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			they rejected him. They had kids
throw stones at him until his feet
		
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			were bleeding. So in reflection of
this time period, in reflection of
		
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			that day, the Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him. Upon him calls
		
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			it the worst day of his life. Many
of us have had a worst day of our
		
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			lives, and we're still pretty
young. Everyone in this room is
		
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			still young. We've we've had a
worst day. Imagine going through
		
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			that point, and that's the worst
day of his life at that point,
		
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			considering he's a prophet, you
could say that he could feel like,
		
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			why? What? What's wrong? Like, why
is God upset with me? Did I do
		
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			something wrong? Am I spreading
this message the wrong way? All of
		
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			us have gone to that point where
we're like, Is God punishing me?
		
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			Is he angry with me? Why is this
happening to my kids? Why didn't I
		
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			get into where I wanted to go? Why
isn't the guy or the girl who I
		
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			thought I was going to marry going
to marry me anymore? There's so
		
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			many issues we go through. But
what happened at that point?
		
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			Instead of blaming God, God gave
him a gift, and the reason I
		
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			wanted to begin with this is
because it's a sign of his care
		
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			for us, after going through losing
Khadija and Abu Talib and going to
		
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			Taif and being rejected. What
happened right after that, God
		
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			sent a miraculous animal to take
him up to the seven heavens, and
		
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			he was given a gift. Now we can
have different discussions on what
		
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			that means, but I want you to
focus on the gift part the
		
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			Prophet. Peace be upon him. Was
given the gift of Salah, or of
		
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			prayer right after he's going
through this type of hardship. Now
		
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			we consider prayer to sometimes be
a burden. Sometimes we don't do
		
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			it. Sometimes it's something hard
that we don't feel like we want to
		
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			do. But God timed his giving of
prayer right after immense pain.
		
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			He timed it to be after loss of
his best friend, loss of his best
		
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			supporter, being rejected and
abused by everyone publicly, he
		
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			had nowhere to go, and when you
have nowhere to go, the only safe
		
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			space that's left, the one safe
space that will always be for you,
		
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			the one will never judge you, even
though there are consequences to
		
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			our actions, but he will never
judge you the way that people
		
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			judge you. God Almighty gave us
prayer. He gave it to the Prophet,
		
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			peace be upon him, out of his care
for him after the pain that he
		
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			went through, and the reason he
mandated it for us is so that we
		
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			could constantly be reminded of
the care that he has for us. It's
		
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			very similar to someone who you
might love they feel like. Take a
		
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			second think of the person you
love the most in your whole life.
		
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			Got that person in your head, if
you don't have anyone, imagine who
		
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			you hope that person would be
		
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			alright now you have someone or
some figure in your head. Imagine
		
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			if that person gave you a prepaid
cell phone plan and they were
		
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			like, Call me anytime. I'm always
awake. Just hit me up.
		
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			That's exactly what God did with
prayer. But if you call that
		
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			person and you're like, Oh, my
God, the worst thing just happens
		
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			to me. That's the worst thing of
my life, and you call that person
		
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			up just because you talk to them,
does that situation get better?
		
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			Not necessarily like that
situation is still there. If you
		
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			call them every single day, five
times a day, 20 times a day, 15
		
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			million times a day, if you were
to call that person over and over
		
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			and over, does that necessarily
mean you're less sad, or that
		
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			situation is gone, or everything
is fixed, maybe a little bit, but
		
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			the point is, you still have that
connection regardless. Many of us
		
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			sometimes feel like I've prayed
and I've been praying and nothing
		
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			is working, or why am I being
punished when I'm doing everything
		
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			I think I'm supposed to do? We
have those types of thoughts, but
		
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			that's part of the part of the
process of that is because we look
		
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			at prayer, or we look at this
closeness to God as a means of
		
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			checks and balances. I'm doing
what I'm supposed to do. Why
		
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			aren't you giving me what I want?
Why don't you giving me what I
		
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			think I want? But in reality, it's
really more like that cell phone
		
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			call, that he's there as a guy.
He's there to give you support.
		
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			He's there as someone who will
never judge you for what you're
		
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			going through. But of course, he
also has control over every
		
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			situation. Of course he can also
answer all of your prayers. Of
		
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			course he has wisdom in everything
that he plans. But don't look at
		
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			that relationship as one where, if
I do this, he's going to make
		
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			things happen for me, look at it
as.
		
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			Yes, he understands regardless of
what I'm going through, and he
		
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			will always be there to listen to
me and what he knows out of his
		
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			wisdom that it's appropriate, he
will also hook me up with things
		
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			that I need at the right time. But
that part takes patience, and it's
		
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			very hard. The reason that
sometimes we question whether or
		
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			not God cares is because we
ourselves don't necessarily
		
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			understand who God is, and when we
get to a point where we understand
		
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			who he is and what he means in our
lives, it makes it a little bit
		
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			easier for us to understand that
the mechanisms He's given us to
		
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			connect with him through hardship
are actually those that will help
		
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			us sustain through difficulty,
even when we feel like we can't
		
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			continue. We're gonna look at one
example of that, and someone named
		
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			Malik Ibn dinar. Has anyone heard
of him before Malik Ibn dinar? No
		
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			Malik. He was a scholar from our
past. So you've heard like huge
		
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			scholar names, like Ibn Taymiyyah,
for example. You've heard that
		
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			name before Abu Hanifa, Imam
Malik, huge names that many
		
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			Muslims know. Maliki Medina was
one of these huge scholars of his
		
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			time, but like many scholars of
our past, he wasn't born as a
		
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			scholar who was like, I'm going to
be this extremely pious person my
		
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			entire life. I mean, that doesn't
just happen. That's a process. And
		
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			it was a process for him too, just
like it's a process for every
		
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			single one of us. Maliki men,
dinar, he was known as somebody
		
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			who was kind of like, I'm just he
was a policeman in his time, and
		
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			he used to drink. He had a serious
drinking problem. And of course,
		
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			with drinking, there's a lot of,
like, negative character issues
		
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			that come with that, if it's
something that's chronic. So he
		
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			was someone who went through a lot
of not having the greatest rep,
		
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			necessarily, because of that. And
one day he saw a little girl, and
		
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			he just he was so overtaken by
emotions for seeing this little
		
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			girl that he decided he wanted to
get married, and he wanted to have
		
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			a child too. So he got married. At
some point, he was blessed to have
		
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			a daughter, and she was his best
friend. She was his best friend
		
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			we'd love to be with now, how many
of you know little kids like in
		
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			your family, maybe like under the
age of five? Five, around that
		
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			age, raise your hand. That's quite
a few people. Super cute,
		
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			innocent, sometimes annoying, but
overall, really adorable, right?
		
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			But you would never want to lose
them from your life, especially if
		
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			they are a child. And when she was
about two or three years old, she
		
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			passed away. So medic, he was so
affected, of course, by her death,
		
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			that he began to drink again. And
when she had been born, she had
		
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			stopped drinking as much as he
had, but he just went back to it.
		
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			And this is an example of what
many of us go through. Some of us,
		
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			when we were in high school, or
when we were in certain parts of
		
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			our lives, we might have known who
we were. We were very aware of
		
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			what our identity was. In high
school, for example, if you're a
		
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			Princeton, you were very likely
the overachiever of your class,
		
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			who was a perfectionist, who was
involved with every single club on
		
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			campus, or the president of them.
That's a stereotype of what a
		
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			Princeton student is. But you can
kind of see that there are some
		
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			categories that people would
recognize you as worthy of getting
		
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			into a place like Princeton.
That's very, very common to have
		
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			the type of identity to be known
as somebody who gets the highest
		
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			grades, and that's where you can
derive your identity from. But
		
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			then all of a sudden, you're in a
different environment. You're not
		
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			necessarily in that place that you
were before. You might also be
		
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			dealing with issues with your
family. Your parents could be
		
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			going through divorce. Your
parents could be dealing with
		
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			money issues that affects you. How
are you going to relate to that
		
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			when you're already dealing with
the pressures of trying to find
		
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			out who you are in an environment
where everyone is a high achiever
		
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			and you have to figure out who
you're going to be through this,
		
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			it's an experience that's very
difficult to find your identity in
		
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			dealing with issues of self
esteem, sometimes ones that have
		
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			to do with eating disorders, and
those are all very common that
		
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			people talk to me about, and
sexuality very common. So we're
		
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			dealing with all of these issues,
and those things are ones that
		
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			cause us to feel a little bit
confused about who we are, just
		
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			like the loss of somebody in our
lives who meant the world to us,
		
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			who shaped our identity. Malik was
shaped by the identity of his
		
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			daughter, by having her he changed
once she was gone, just like when
		
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			we're in similar situations when
we're not comfortable, what's
		
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			going to be our reaction? Where do
we turn? What Malik did in that
		
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			moment is he just started drinking
again until he passed out. And
		
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			when he passed out, he had a
dream, and he dreamt that he was
		
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			on the day of judgment. And any of
you who had dreams who are like
		
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			regular dreamers, you know how
intense dreams are, you feel like
		
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			you're in the moment you you do
wake up screaming sometimes. I
		
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			know I can very frequently, not
very frequently, but I will say
		
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			this sometimes, and I wake up my
husband, look, I just had a
		
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			nightmare. And then he's like,
it's okay, it's fine. But that
		
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			that was a very, very real,
painful experience for him to be
		
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			there on the day of judgment. And
as he's there, no one is around
		
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			him,
		
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			all of a sudden, to the right, he
sees this enormous snake. The
		
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			snake is huge, and it begins to
chase him.
		
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			So it's chasing him, and he's
running. And as he's running, he
		
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			suddenly sees a very, very old
man. So he stops in front of the
		
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			old man and he says, Please help
me. Don't you see the snake is
		
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			about to eat me. And then the very
old man says, Look at me. I'm so
		
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			old and I'm so weak, I can't help
you. Go in that direction. So
		
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			Malik runs. He's running in that
direction, and all of a sudden he
		
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			gets to a cliff. And when he gets
to that cliff, what does he see?
		
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			*? The fire of * is intense.
And he hears a voice that says, go
		
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			in the other direction. You are
not as a people of the Hellfire.
		
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			So he begins to run in the other
direction. And he sees the old man
		
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			again as he's passing him, and he
steps and he says, Help me. Can't
		
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			you see the snake is going to eat
me. And the old man says, can't
		
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			you see me? I'm weep. I can't help
you. Run that way. So he begins to
		
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			run again. The snake is still
after him. All of a sudden, he
		
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			sees children,
		
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			and in that moment, he suddenly
sees his daughter.
		
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			He sees his daughter, and as he
sees his daughter, his daughter
		
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			stops the snake and leaves. And
now here's the part in the dream
		
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			that many of you guys have
experienced. It's a nightmare. And
		
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			then all of a sudden, subhanAllah
relief, he's suddenly with the
		
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			same daughter, who he has been
drinking over because he misses
		
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			her so much. They sit down. She
sits on his lap, like they used to
		
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			do when she was alive. And he's
like my daughter, what was that
		
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			snake? And she says, a beloved
Dad. Don't you know that on the
		
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			Day of Judgment, everything is
going to come in a form? Those
		
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			were your bad deeds. That was
everything messed up, that you
		
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			did. They were so much that they
wanted to overtake you. They
		
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			wanted to eat you. That old man,
those were your good deeds. You
		
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			had made them so weak because of
all the messed up stuff that you
		
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			did, but they weren't able to help
you. And if it wasn't for having
		
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			lost me, having dealt with that
type of difficulty, then there
		
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			wouldn't have been a solution for
you.
		
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			Oh, my father, isn't it time? Then
she recited a verse from from the
		
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			Quran
		
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			that says it come time for the
believers, for their hearts to be
		
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			affected by the remembrance of
God. Isn't it time that we
		
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			recognize that God Himself is with
us, that he has not revelation for
		
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			guidance for us? Isn't it time
that our hearts wake up? Malik
		
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			started saying, it's time, it's
time. And he woke up screaming,
		
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			shouting, I make Toba all I come
back to you. He gets up. It's
		
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			better time. When he gets up, he
gets ready, he goes into the
		
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			masjid. And who knows when the
last time he had gone to the
		
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			masjid was he walks into the
salah. They're already praying
		
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			salatul, Fajr.
		
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			As he walks into the masjid, the
Imam is reciting Alam Yani, Lavina
		
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			Amanu and
		
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			the exact same verse that his
daughter had told him in his
		
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			dream.
		
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			From that day on, Malik became
somebody who used to stand in the
		
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			night and used to say, dear Lord,
You know the ones who are going to
		
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			go to Paradise, and you know the
ones that are going to go to *,
		
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			make me of the people of paradise.
He was somebody who had
		
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			experiences that he could relate
to other people with. Not every
		
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			person goes through having a
drinking issue, not every person
		
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			goes through having lost a child
or going through not having the
		
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			best quality of character, right?
Not every person has those
		
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			experiences, but what he did was
then use those experiences to help
		
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			other people reconnect with God,
and that is exactly the point.
		
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			Khadija Allahu Akbar told him, God
will never abandon you because you
		
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			help other people. Now for us, all
of the things that we've
		
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			experienced cause pain in our
lives. It's a rock that weighs us
		
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			down sometimes, but it's also that
exact same rock that can ground us
		
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			and make our roots firmer. That's
exactly the concept that we can
		
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			use to help other people in their
relationship with God. The
		
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			struggles that we've gone through
are unique to us, but sometimes
		
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			we've been chosen, and sometimes
we just have to deal with the
		
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			reality of moving forward through
that so that we can be means of
		
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			helping other people go through it
too. Khadija reminded him of that
		
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			and studies today, if you read
studies that talk about
		
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			generativity, which is giving
back, it's unselfish love. That's
		
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			the love of you helping a sibling
with homework or driving a friend
		
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			to see a movie when they're having
a really bad day, listening to
		
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			someone who just needs to talk
things out. That's unselfish love.
		
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			Every one of you has done
something like that, held the door
		
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			open for someone behind you.
Generativity studies have shown
		
00:29:57 --> 00:29:59
			today that individuals who do.
		
00:30:00 --> 00:30:04
			Acts of generativity regularly
have two things going for them.
		
00:30:04 --> 00:30:08
			Number one, they're successful. So
that's material success. Either
		
00:30:08 --> 00:30:12
			they're making more money or
they're able to get into more
		
00:30:12 --> 00:30:16
			intellectual areas because they're
they like works on certain types
		
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			of the brain. There are physical,
like tangible aspects that benefit
		
00:30:20 --> 00:30:23
			you. When you're somebody who
practices generativity, it's
		
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			called success. It's a successful
part of lifestyle, and it's long.
		
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			It increases your longevity.
That's one part. This is success
		
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			part, but the second part of the
spirituality part, individuals
		
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			who've been involved in regularly
practicing unselfish love or
		
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			generativity, those people have
been found to be more spiritual as
		
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			time goes on, that they are more
inclined to be someone who's
		
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			spiritual and religiously
identifiable. So what that means
		
00:30:52 --> 00:30:55
			is that when we are people who
recognize that God is there for
		
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			us, and we pair that up with
taking the hardships that we're
		
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			going through to use them, not as
only something that we're going
		
00:31:02 --> 00:31:05
			through, it's going to weigh us
down, but something that we can
		
00:31:05 --> 00:31:10
			use to help other people through
that ourselves clear circle that
		
00:31:10 --> 00:31:14
			way will bring us closer to God
Himself, again by helping others,
		
00:31:14 --> 00:31:17
			it's a means of helping ourselves
become close to God. Now, in
		
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			Malik's story, he's somebody who
then used his pain to help others
		
00:31:22 --> 00:31:25
			come back to God, the Prophet
Muhammad. Peace be upon him. One
		
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			of the reasons that I think he had
to go through such a variety of
		
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			pain is so that we can relate to
him. The pain that he went through
		
00:31:33 --> 00:31:36
			wasn't just one or two types of
things. It was basically
		
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			everything that we very
courageously mentioned. Thank you.
		
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			It was basically everything we
really courageously mentioned. And
		
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			even more than that, why did he
have to go through all of that so
		
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			that we ourselves will be able to
connect to him? God bless you.
		
00:31:48 --> 00:31:48
			Thank you.
		
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			So when we look at ourselves and
feel like, why can't I move
		
00:31:54 --> 00:31:58
			forward? I want us to reconsider
the way that we're looking at
		
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			this. Sometimes, when we're going
through hardship, it isn't because
		
00:32:02 --> 00:32:05
			God is upset with us. It's not
because we're being punished. It's
		
00:32:05 --> 00:32:08
			not because he's not there.
Sometimes the reasons that we're
		
00:32:08 --> 00:32:13
			going through it is simply for us
to reconnect and to just get
		
00:32:13 --> 00:32:16
			through it and eventually,
hopefully be able to help others
		
00:32:16 --> 00:32:20
			through it as well. It's not easy.
It's not something that goes away.
		
00:32:20 --> 00:32:22
			And if you've dealt with
something, with some some of the
		
00:32:22 --> 00:32:25
			very, very difficult life
struggles, it will continue to
		
00:32:25 --> 00:32:29
			come back. Muhammad SAW a sudden
Allah sadija 10 years later. He
		
00:32:29 --> 00:32:32
			was so kind over her. I mean, the
pain that some of the companions
		
00:32:32 --> 00:32:36
			physically wore those scars
continued. But the point isn't
		
00:32:36 --> 00:32:40
			that having this relationship with
God is all of a sudden going to
		
00:32:40 --> 00:32:44
			make everything rosy. It's just
the nature of life is that
		
00:32:44 --> 00:32:47
			everything isn't always perfect,
but through those experiences, we
		
00:32:47 --> 00:32:51
			can become more deeply rooted
people. He is there for us, just
		
00:32:51 --> 00:32:55
			like he was there in the belly of
the whale when Jonah went and he
		
00:32:55 --> 00:33:00
			was went away from his people. The
the whale ate him. He was stuck,
		
00:33:00 --> 00:33:03
			and he had the ability to call
upon God. He didn't need cell
		
00:33:03 --> 00:33:06
			phone reception, right? I mean,
come on, there's no reception in
		
00:33:06 --> 00:33:09
			the belly of a whale. But what he
had was that connection that God
		
00:33:09 --> 00:33:14
			gave us, like the likes of prayer,
he was able to call out, there is
		
00:33:14 --> 00:33:18
			no one worthy of worship. No one
worthy of worship but you. There's
		
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			there's no one but you and I've
made a mistake. God help me. Now,
		
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			sometimes we are the ones who make
mistakes. What do we do with that?
		
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			How can we forgive ourselves? A
number of you alluded to that.
		
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			This is how sometimes we feel like
we're being punished for something
		
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			that we did five years ago, and we
can't let it go. There was a man
		
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			who walked into the masjid of the
Prophet Muhammad. Peace be upon
		
00:33:39 --> 00:33:43
			him when he walked into the midst.
He walked in saying, my sins, my
		
00:33:43 --> 00:33:48
			sins have done so much wrong. He
was overwhelmed with grief. The
		
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			Prophet Muhammad didn't ask him,
alright, what did you do? What's
		
00:33:52 --> 00:33:56
			going on? Get out of here. A lot
of times we feel like we can't
		
00:33:56 --> 00:33:58
			walk into our communities because
of a way that we're dressed or
		
00:33:58 --> 00:34:01
			what will be done. We're made to
feel like we're going to be
		
00:34:01 --> 00:34:04
			judged. But what did he say? He
didn't even ask him questions. It
		
00:34:04 --> 00:34:08
			was a complete welcome space for
all, regardless of what you're
		
00:34:08 --> 00:34:11
			going through. The Prophet
Muhammad gives you an ton of words
		
00:34:11 --> 00:34:15
			to say. Words to say that, Oh God,
I'm asking for your forgiveness,
		
00:34:15 --> 00:34:18
			that your forgiveness is much
greater than what I've done, and I
		
00:34:18 --> 00:34:21
			have more mercy in you, more and
more hope in your mercy than I
		
00:34:21 --> 00:34:25
			have in my own self. He told him
to repeat that three times, and
		
00:34:25 --> 00:34:28
			then he told him, stand up, you've
been forgiven. Now, why do we want
		
00:34:28 --> 00:34:31
			to look at this? Because when we
make a mistake, we sometimes feel
		
00:34:31 --> 00:34:35
			like we have to punish ourselves
in order for God to forgive us. We
		
00:34:35 --> 00:34:38
			messed up in a relationship, we
did something, messed up to
		
00:34:38 --> 00:34:41
			someone else, we cheated on an
exam. I mean, we've done so many
		
00:34:41 --> 00:34:44
			things, and in that moment, we
feel like for the next 15 years of
		
00:34:44 --> 00:34:48
			my life, or at least the next five
months, I'm going to feel guilty
		
00:34:48 --> 00:34:50
			over this. I'm going to feel so
bad over this, I'll never be able
		
00:34:50 --> 00:34:53
			to let go of this, because if I'm
able to feel bad and punish
		
00:34:53 --> 00:34:57
			myself, hopefully that means I'm
doing something right. God isn't
		
00:34:57 --> 00:34:59
			asking us to punish ourselves,
just like the Prophet Muhammad.
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03
			And peace upon him. Didn't ask
this man to sit there for the next
		
00:35:03 --> 00:35:07
			six minutes or six hours or six
years and continue to beg for
		
00:35:07 --> 00:35:12
			forgiveness until he feels better.
He told him, stand up, you've been
		
00:35:12 --> 00:35:16
			forgiven. The act of asking for
forgiveness, in and of itself, is
		
00:35:16 --> 00:35:19
			a means of being forgiven. And
then what we need to do is just
		
00:35:19 --> 00:35:23
			move forward with our lives and
try our best to improve. So when
		
00:35:23 --> 00:35:27
			we're looking at where God is in
our lives, reflect on what things
		
00:35:27 --> 00:35:31
			are happening. Is it something
that I feel like I've done wrong?
		
00:35:31 --> 00:35:34
			Just come back to his forgiveness,
and then shall I help forgive you?
		
00:35:34 --> 00:35:38
			And then try to make things up.
Try to just move forward. If I
		
00:35:38 --> 00:35:41
			mess up again, do the process all
over again. If I'm questioning
		
00:35:41 --> 00:35:44
			where he is, when I think about
loss, when I think about the pain
		
00:35:44 --> 00:35:47
			that I'm going through, remember
the pain of the Prophet Muhammad.
		
00:35:47 --> 00:35:51
			Peace be upon him. And remember
how, through his pain, God gave
		
00:35:51 --> 00:35:54
			him the gift of prayer, and that's
the same gift that He's given
		
00:35:54 --> 00:35:57
			every single one of us. And when
we're worried about whether or not
		
00:35:57 --> 00:35:59
			we're ever going to be able to go
through this and why this is
		
00:35:59 --> 00:36:02
			happening to us, remember Maliki
of Indian art that even though he
		
00:36:02 --> 00:36:05
			went through one of the most
difficult straps, most difficult
		
00:36:05 --> 00:36:10
			struggles of life, even through
that because of the difficulty and
		
00:36:10 --> 00:36:13
			the things he'd messed up on in
life, he was then able to connect
		
00:36:13 --> 00:36:16
			with people on a deeper level to
help them then have a closer
		
00:36:16 --> 00:36:20
			relationship with God. There are
so many reasons why things happen.
		
00:36:20 --> 00:36:23
			Bad things happen to good people,
or bad things happen to people who
		
00:36:23 --> 00:36:27
			don't necessarily feel like
they're even good. But God never,
		
00:36:27 --> 00:36:30
			ever, ever will forsake you, just
like he didn't forsake the Prophet
		
00:36:30 --> 00:36:32
			Muhammad. Peace be upon us.
Remember that he's always with
		
00:36:32 --> 00:36:36
			you. He's closer to you than you
are, even to your own self. All it
		
00:36:36 --> 00:36:38
			takes is calling out to him, and
he's already ready to hear you.
		
00:36:38 --> 00:36:41
			Just remember that he's always
there, even when you feel like he
		
00:36:41 --> 00:36:45
			isn't. Prayer is your safe space.
He will always listen to you. And
		
00:36:45 --> 00:36:49
			he says that in the Quran, I am
here to answer the the one who's
		
00:36:49 --> 00:36:53
			calling upon me, he's going to
answer our call as soon as we call
		
00:36:53 --> 00:36:56
			to him. The question is just
whether or not we're going to
		
00:36:56 --> 00:36:59
			call. That's all he's waiting for,
and we can't. Inshallah
		
00:37:00 --> 00:37:02
			now, inshallah. That is the end of
our short
		
00:37:03 --> 00:37:06
			disclaimer discussion, I guess.
But we're going to continue on
		
00:37:06 --> 00:37:09
			inshallah into an actual QandA. Do
you want to say anything before we
		
00:37:09 --> 00:37:10
			start for that? Yeah, absolutely.
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:17
			Just that. You know, this is some
food for thought, and there's so
		
00:37:17 --> 00:37:21
			much more that musta that Miriam
can draw upon, you know, from from
		
00:37:21 --> 00:37:25
			the Quran, from the Sunnah, and
from the tradition. But this is
		
00:37:25 --> 00:37:28
			just a little bit food for
thought. And what we want to do at
		
00:37:28 --> 00:37:33
			this point is open it up for some
discussion. You know, some
		
00:37:33 --> 00:37:38
			questions. And you know, feel free
to open, you know, open yourselves
		
00:37:38 --> 00:37:41
			up and ask, ask whatever's on your
mind. You know, I know that
		
00:37:41 --> 00:37:45
			Princeton students in particular
often have to have to run to other
		
00:37:45 --> 00:37:49
			programs and events, so find that.
But I'm going to start off by
		
00:37:49 --> 00:37:52
			asking if you're a student here,
and if you want to start off the
		
00:37:52 --> 00:37:54
			discussion, if you have a
question, and then, Inshallah,
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:55
			we'll open it up to everyone else,
		
00:37:58 --> 00:37:58
			so I
		
00:38:00 --> 00:38:04
			can, so I don't know if you
address this, but um, so I was
		
00:38:04 --> 00:38:07
			just checking in these earlier.
And so so far, you've been talking
		
00:38:07 --> 00:38:09
			about, like, suffering in our
		
00:38:10 --> 00:38:12
			own life, but I was watching these
		
00:38:15 --> 00:38:18
			earlier, and there's like, so much
happening around Palestinian
		
00:38:18 --> 00:38:21
			children. And so I guess, like,
where do we stand on, like, your
		
00:38:21 --> 00:38:23
			awareness for that? Yeah, so we
see, like, you see a child
		
00:38:23 --> 00:38:26
			suffering, and you're like, why
does that child have to go through
		
00:38:26 --> 00:38:28
			that? They're like, two months
old. What have they done to
		
00:38:28 --> 00:38:31
			deserve it? Right? That's very,
it's, it's a, it's a very
		
00:38:31 --> 00:38:34
			beautiful because it's a sign that
a person's heart is alive, that
		
00:38:34 --> 00:38:37
			they care so much about other
people. And that's a concept of
		
00:38:37 --> 00:38:40
			generativity that we were just
talking about. But for in order to
		
00:38:40 --> 00:38:45
			understand this, I think the most
on a most basic level, is to look
		
00:38:45 --> 00:38:50
			at two things. Number one is that
a lot of times we blame God for
		
00:38:50 --> 00:38:54
			the actions of individuals,
because we feel like you could
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:56
			control things. You have the
ability to just make things
		
00:38:56 --> 00:39:00
			better. So why don't you? Why
don't we just do that? But when we
		
00:39:00 --> 00:39:03
			do that, we absolve human beings
from the responsibility of their
		
00:39:03 --> 00:39:07
			own actions. So for example, when
we look at children in Syria,
		
00:39:07 --> 00:39:10
			they're suffering and that they're
dying and they're losing their
		
00:39:10 --> 00:39:13
			family members, we're looking at
generations of individuals who are
		
00:39:13 --> 00:39:17
			going to have PTSD and who are
going to have abnormalities, who
		
00:39:17 --> 00:39:19
			are not going to have family
members. May God make it easy for
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:23
			them. And everyone in the world
who suffering, we see all of that,
		
00:39:23 --> 00:39:24
			right? But then
		
00:39:25 --> 00:39:28
			we have to look at where that's
coming from. They don't deserve
		
00:39:28 --> 00:39:31
			that. Obviously, we're not saying
that's going to happen. That's
		
00:39:31 --> 00:39:35
			that's in any way. And at the same
time, I can't tell you, there's a
		
00:39:35 --> 00:39:38
			formula to understand why this
particular child has to go through
		
00:39:38 --> 00:39:41
			that. I don't know if any person
is going to be able to give an
		
00:39:41 --> 00:39:44
			answer for why this person has to
go through that when they're they
		
00:39:44 --> 00:39:46
			were just born and they haven't
done anything to deserve it. God
		
00:39:46 --> 00:39:49
			has wisdom and certain things that
we can't explain, but there are
		
00:39:49 --> 00:39:52
			two things we can explain. Number
one is holding people accountable
		
00:39:52 --> 00:39:56
			for their consequences, so the
individuals who are responsible
		
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58
			for what's happening, the leaders
who could stop that from
		
00:39:58 --> 00:39:59
			happening, people who.
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:03
			Could, don't not just be asking,
why is it happening, but what can
		
00:40:03 --> 00:40:07
			I do to stop it, the collective
responsibility that is the concept
		
00:40:07 --> 00:40:12
			of having free will. So God gave
us free will for a reason, and if
		
00:40:12 --> 00:40:15
			we were to be individuals who
decided that, okay, I have free
		
00:40:15 --> 00:40:20
			will and I like that, versus I'd
rather just be an obedient angel.
		
00:40:20 --> 00:40:24
			I mean, like we already have
angels. God already had them. We
		
00:40:24 --> 00:40:27
			were created as humans with free
will, and if we didn't have free
		
00:40:27 --> 00:40:29
			will, we'd complain that. Why
can't I do things I want to do
		
00:40:29 --> 00:40:33
			here? He's already given us that
option, right? So now it's about
		
00:40:33 --> 00:40:36
			how we're going to use it, and if
it's being used to abuse other
		
00:40:36 --> 00:40:40
			people, then we should be looking
at holding the perpetrators into
		
00:40:40 --> 00:40:44
			account, versus holding the One
who created them into account. And
		
00:40:44 --> 00:40:48
			that's the second part of the
answer, which is he created them,
		
00:40:48 --> 00:40:51
			right? And we believe that he's
going to have them come back to
		
00:40:51 --> 00:40:55
			him. So in order for us as Muslims
to understand that concept, or as
		
00:40:55 --> 00:40:58
			anyone who believes in it
hereafter, this is where the
		
00:40:58 --> 00:41:04
			actual justice happens because
especially when somebody who is,
		
00:41:04 --> 00:41:07
			for example, a high level
politician, somebody who has a lot
		
00:41:07 --> 00:41:11
			of wealth, somebody who's doing
things and justifying it and
		
00:41:11 --> 00:41:13
			hurting a lot of people through
it, we're not always going to see
		
00:41:13 --> 00:41:15
			them held to account in this life.
And it angers us sometimes,
		
00:41:15 --> 00:41:18
			because we're like, that's not
right, you know, like, if it was a
		
00:41:18 --> 00:41:21
			rant another person, they would be
held accountable most of the time,
		
00:41:21 --> 00:41:24
			unless it's a racist system. But
the point is that that that is
		
00:41:24 --> 00:41:28
			going that's something that we
would expect on in that same way,
		
00:41:28 --> 00:41:31
			part of our understanding of the
Hereafter is that there is going
		
00:41:31 --> 00:41:34
			to be a day of judgment, and on
that day we're going to be held
		
00:41:34 --> 00:41:37
			accountable. And those who've been
been suffering that those with
		
00:41:37 --> 00:41:41
			that's the day that one dip into
paradise and they feel like
		
00:41:41 --> 00:41:43
			they've never suffered before. One
dip into hellfire, and they've
		
00:41:43 --> 00:41:47
			never had anything good god
protect everyone. So the point is
		
00:41:47 --> 00:41:50
			looking at it in two ways. Number
one, holding the person account
		
00:41:50 --> 00:41:54
			versus holding God account. And
the second way is that recognizing
		
00:41:54 --> 00:41:57
			that there's a reason for a
hereafter, and part of that is
		
00:41:57 --> 00:42:01
			providing that type of justice.
And finally, to just remember that
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:06
			a lot of this has to go back to
our understanding of who God is
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:11
			and getting to that. So what that
means is for me to study who he is
		
00:42:11 --> 00:42:14
			and how I'm going to be able to
feel comfortable believing in him.
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:18
			If I, if I, if I can trust like
myself, I'll tell you like I came
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:21
			to Islam a little bit later, like
most of my family members are
		
00:42:21 --> 00:42:24
			conference. I was blessed to be
born into a Muslim family after my
		
00:42:24 --> 00:42:28
			parents kind of found Islam on
their own. But still, for me, I
		
00:42:28 --> 00:42:31
			didn't go through the process of
wanting to identify as Muslim
		
00:42:31 --> 00:42:35
			until later, and when I went
through that process, I had to
		
00:42:35 --> 00:42:38
			realize whether or not God exists.
Who? How am I going to prove that
		
00:42:38 --> 00:42:41
			when I went through that though,
and once I did the research for
		
00:42:41 --> 00:42:44
			myself, and I was able to feel
strong enough in that belief. When
		
00:42:44 --> 00:42:48
			I got to that point, it was easy
for me in times like this, what
		
00:42:48 --> 00:42:50
			especially nowadays, we go
through, because everything seems
		
00:42:50 --> 00:42:53
			horrible when you go through that
and you're like, look, I don't
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:57
			understand why, but that's why I
entrusted to you, because I've
		
00:42:57 --> 00:43:00
			done the research and believing
that you're real. So I entrust you
		
00:43:00 --> 00:43:05
			to all affairs. I just try to do
my part in whatever I can locally,
		
00:43:05 --> 00:43:07
			try to donate to help people
overseas, but at the end of the
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:10
			day, people are going to be held
responsible for their actions.
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:12
			That's who we should hold
responsible, and God Himself is
		
00:43:12 --> 00:43:15
			going to hold everyone to account
in a day of judgment. I'm sure
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18
			that isn't like a there's no
equation to answer that question.
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21
			So if anyone else has anything
else they want to add, please feel
		
00:43:21 --> 00:43:21
			free. Thank
		
00:43:24 --> 00:43:26
			you for talking. I did come in a
little bit later, see a camera
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:29
			there, so hopefully I'll watch
what I write this later on. So I
		
00:43:29 --> 00:43:30
			think one thing that you
		
00:43:32 --> 00:43:32
			said
		
00:43:33 --> 00:43:34
			right now,
		
00:43:37 --> 00:43:38
			which is, I think, pretty
important, and
		
00:43:41 --> 00:43:42
			this is something that, I
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:46
			guess it's something that is
commonly,
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:49
			something a lot of people do,
		
00:43:50 --> 00:43:54
			is this idea of, like, trusting
the lost contact versus holding
		
00:43:55 --> 00:43:58
			people responsible. I think, I
guess my question is, or I don't
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:02
			know if we expand on this a little
bit, where do you, I guess, strike
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05
			that balance. A lot of people
like, if they're being treated
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:08
			unjustly, and say, You know what a
low take care, but if you keep
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:10
			doing that, I mean, look at our
American
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:15
			streets on that. There was also
this concept of justice. There was
		
00:44:15 --> 00:44:19
			also a concept of actually taking
that material and then trying, you
		
00:44:19 --> 00:44:19
			know,
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:21
			to, I guess, seek
		
00:44:22 --> 00:44:24
			like, or fix the situation.
		
00:44:26 --> 00:44:28
			So I guess I was wondering like,
where do you draw that
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:33
			distinction? So that's exactly
where the circle of influence and
		
00:44:33 --> 00:44:37
			the circle of concern comes in. So
there are certain things that we
		
00:44:37 --> 00:44:41
			here in Princeton can't
necessarily do physically, for
		
00:44:41 --> 00:44:47
			example, help people in Syria. Now
that's a general thing. Some of us
		
00:44:47 --> 00:44:50
			can go and help refugees. Some of
us can provide hate. There are
		
00:44:50 --> 00:44:55
			different ways that some people
can help, right and understanding,
		
00:44:55 --> 00:44:59
			leaving things to God, that's an
answer for that type of thing, or
		
00:44:59 --> 00:44:59
			you don't.
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:03
			Necessarily have the ability to
just fix it on your own. That's
		
00:45:03 --> 00:45:07
			one thing, something that's
removed from you, but there's
		
00:45:07 --> 00:45:10
			another aspect of that, and that's
when something happens to you,
		
00:45:10 --> 00:45:13
			personally or someone you love,
that's when you can actually have
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:17
			influence over a situation, and
that's when we must act I'll give
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:20
			you a particular example. A number
of individuals in our community
		
00:45:20 --> 00:45:23
			have dealt with * or have dealt
with sexual violence, and our
		
00:45:23 --> 00:45:27
			community tends to say things
like, forgive and forget, make
		
00:45:27 --> 00:45:31
			amends, move forward. These are
individuals, sometimes within
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:35
			their own families. Now, for
something like this, this is an
		
00:45:35 --> 00:45:39
			extreme injustice. This is
something that needs to be taken
		
00:45:39 --> 00:45:43
			account of. What can a person do
in that situation? It's not just
		
00:45:43 --> 00:45:46
			about I'm going to leave it to
God, and then hopefully everything
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:49
			will get better, of course, as an
aspect of coming back to God
		
00:45:49 --> 00:45:54
			through that. But there needs to
be action that's taken. So when it
		
00:45:54 --> 00:45:58
			has to do with someone that you
can actually impact physically,
		
00:45:59 --> 00:46:02
			there's something like within your
bounds. That's when we actually
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:05
			need to take that step. It could
be forms of oppression like abuse.
		
00:46:05 --> 00:46:08
			It could be forms of oppression
and money. It could be just
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:10
			someone making messed up
statements about someone else. It
		
00:46:10 --> 00:46:13
			could be something as small as
posting an ugly picture of someone
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:16
			else on Instagram that didn't want
it to be on there. But you can
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:18
			have influence over those
situations, and that's when we
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:21
			actually need to act. That's when
we do change it with our hands or
		
00:46:21 --> 00:46:26
			with our tongue, or at least hate
it in our heart in wise ways, but
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:30
			it's important for us to actually
seek action in that time. The
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:33
			times that we leave it to God, are
times that we actually can't do
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:37
			anything about it, and that's then
we still try to do things. But
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:39
			that doesn't mean that we can,
like, make war, just go away. I'm
		
00:46:39 --> 00:46:42
			not sure if I answered your
question specifically, so please
		
00:46:42 --> 00:46:44
			feel free to expand on it so we
can continue. Inshallah,
		
00:46:47 --> 00:46:49
			yeah, Does anyone else want to add
to it?
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:56
			One more student question, and
then we'll open it up to
		
00:47:02 --> 00:47:05
			you. Right, we can open it
		
00:47:09 --> 00:47:12
			up. No. Thank you. Very
interesting conversation.
		
00:47:13 --> 00:47:13
			The
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:17
			problem with how we all look at
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:21
			where we can overcome or not work
on all this conversation we're
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:22
			having
		
00:47:23 --> 00:47:27
			a lot of that has to deal with the
concepts of predestinate,
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:34
			because if somebody has a thought
and faith that this is what was
		
00:47:34 --> 00:47:35
			supposed to happen
		
00:47:37 --> 00:47:40
			or not happen, whatever the case
might be, part of the predestined.
		
00:47:41 --> 00:47:47
			That's where all the depression or
the or whatever you're doing comes
		
00:47:47 --> 00:47:50
			in. This was not supposed to
happen to me. This was supposed to
		
00:47:50 --> 00:47:55
			happen to me. This was, you know,
this is, this is a payment of my
		
00:47:55 --> 00:47:58
			sin. So this is a blessing of what
I did, right? I mean, all the
		
00:47:58 --> 00:48:03
			people make up these, I like you
to address the predestiny. What's
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:06
			your view of predestination, how
it all plays out in what you've
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:09
			been talking about? I think the
best way to look at this is if we
		
00:48:09 --> 00:48:11
			were just give me any historical
figure,
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:18
			Malcolm X, okay, my God, have
mercy on all right. So take
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:21
			Malcolm X, he passed away already,
right? God, have mercy on him.
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:26
			Many of us know his biography now,
the way that his life happened,
		
00:48:26 --> 00:48:29
			all the different things that
happened in his life. God knew
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:34
			those things were going to happen,
right? But similarly, now us, many
		
00:48:34 --> 00:48:39
			years later, we know a lot of what
happened. And if you were to ask
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:43
			one of us to come back in history
and tell him these things are
		
00:48:43 --> 00:48:46
			going to happen, we would be able
to, because we've already been
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:51
			able to see that play out, right?
So in the same way, God already
		
00:48:51 --> 00:48:54
			knows what's going to happen or
what may happen,
		
00:48:55 --> 00:49:00
			what we what is written, isn't
necessarily what's going to
		
00:49:00 --> 00:49:01
			happen. Things can change. It like
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:07
			there are things that that there.
There are things that can change
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:12
			in ways. But that point of the
discussion, let's focus on the
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:15
			point of the discussion, let's
focus on right now, is what that
		
00:49:15 --> 00:49:19
			actually means in our lives. So
just like as people who've already
		
00:49:19 --> 00:49:22
			seen the lives of other people go
through. We've already seen
		
00:49:23 --> 00:49:27
			Malcolm X's history play out. We
already know what happened to him,
		
00:49:27 --> 00:49:31
			just like that. God already knows
all of those things about us. But
		
00:49:31 --> 00:49:35
			that doesn't necessarily mean that
those things are going to control
		
00:49:35 --> 00:49:37
			the actions that we do. There are
certain things that are going to
		
00:49:37 --> 00:49:41
			happen that are tests, that are
things that we can't control, like
		
00:49:41 --> 00:49:41
			somebody,
		
00:49:44 --> 00:49:47
			like a natural disaster, for
example, like there, there are
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:49
			things that are beyond our
control, that that are just
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:54
			destined for us to be in, like in
that moment when that happens. But
		
00:49:54 --> 00:49:57
			that doesn't necessarily mean that
those things are going to have to
		
00:49:57 --> 00:49:59
			influence the rest of our lives.
It's just an.
		
00:55:01 --> 00:55:05
			And so. But he wrote lot of books,
he did lot of lectures, but
		
00:55:09 --> 00:55:11
			that was beautiful. Thank you so
much for sharing that. Just
		
00:55:12 --> 00:55:13
			looking at not,
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:17
			not being someone who's going to
say, I have no control over this
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:20
			like I mean, that whole concept is
what you very eloquently stated.
		
00:55:20 --> 00:55:21
			Thank you so much for that.
		
00:55:24 --> 00:55:29
			I just wanted to elaborate on when
you mentioned father, like, the
		
00:55:29 --> 00:55:32
			pre destination, pre
determination. I've been, like,
		
00:55:32 --> 00:55:35
			starting to study and how I
understand this kind of, like,
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:39
			if you were to take, like a
mentor, like, say, a person, you
		
00:55:39 --> 00:55:42
			know, their lifespan can kind of
be like a tree. Obviously, he's
		
00:55:42 --> 00:55:45
			gonna have his roots in, like,
certain key events you have to be
		
00:55:45 --> 00:55:48
			born to be alive, things like
that. And if you want to take
		
00:55:48 --> 00:55:51
			different paths that you'll take
in life is kind of the branches,
		
00:55:51 --> 00:55:54
			and the branches are gonna have
points where smaller branches will
		
00:55:54 --> 00:55:57
			come out of those will be those,
like, set points out that you
		
00:55:57 --> 00:56:01
			cannot avoid. This moment in time.
Allah has destiny. This moment
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:04
			happened, but then from there,
where you can go, where these are
		
00:56:04 --> 00:56:08
			all these, like potential, action,
potential, reaction potential
		
00:56:08 --> 00:56:12
			events that you can then go off
of. So it's kind of like Allah
		
00:56:12 --> 00:56:15
			gave you within the sphere of,
like the tree itself. You know,
		
00:56:15 --> 00:56:18
			you have a lifespan, you know,
circumstance, yeah, those will all
		
00:56:18 --> 00:56:22
			limit that. But within that there
are so many different paths, and
		
00:56:22 --> 00:56:25
			which path your particular life
will take is just based on your
		
00:56:25 --> 00:56:29
			actions. So Allah gave you this
sphere, this, like, you know,
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:34
			I guess, sphere of options, and
then your actions will then decide
		
00:56:34 --> 00:56:36
			what you take. So it's not like
this, is it one straight line?
		
00:56:36 --> 00:56:39
			That's all you're gonna do. You
have no choice. You have so many
		
00:56:39 --> 00:56:41
			choices. Allah just gave you
points at which you want to start
		
00:56:41 --> 00:56:44
			making those choices. That's how I
understand beautiful. Thank you
		
00:56:44 --> 00:56:46
			for the analogy. Very beautiful.
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:53
			You mentioned in the beginning,
and I think you sort of alluded to
		
00:56:53 --> 00:56:56
			this many times, that our
community is not very open to
		
00:56:56 --> 00:56:59
			talking about these issues, and
like, personal issues, and
		
00:56:59 --> 00:57:02
			especially mental health. How do
you see that changing? And like, I
		
00:57:02 --> 00:57:06
			don't want to confine our like,
the Muslim community in America is
		
00:57:06 --> 00:57:08
			very diverse, but like
predominates in immigrant
		
00:57:08 --> 00:57:12
			community, and it comes with that
diversity of issues like and like,
		
00:57:12 --> 00:57:16
			with cultural like components too.
So like, how do you envision sort
		
00:57:16 --> 00:57:16
			of, like,
		
00:57:18 --> 00:57:21
			like, these discussions about
mental health, or, like, public
		
00:57:22 --> 00:57:25
			inequality which is very present,
like poverty, which is very
		
00:57:25 --> 00:57:25
			present
		
00:57:27 --> 00:57:31
			in our community, envision the
discussions happening. So I think
		
00:57:31 --> 00:57:34
			the first thing is that as a as a
general community, we need to
		
00:57:34 --> 00:57:37
			start taking examples from
especially the African American
		
00:57:37 --> 00:57:40
			community in the United States,
the African American Muslim
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:43
			community is the largest community
of our groups. They're individuals
		
00:57:43 --> 00:57:46
			who have dealt with the most
oppression in the history of the
		
00:57:46 --> 00:57:50
			United States that have continued
until now there. I mean, it's just
		
00:57:50 --> 00:57:52
			beyond, beyond
		
00:57:53 --> 00:57:56
			a person's ability to comprehend
not just the things that their
		
00:57:56 --> 00:58:00
			community has gone through, the
black community has gone through,
		
00:58:00 --> 00:58:03
			but that continues through
systemic oppression today and the
		
00:58:03 --> 00:58:06
			way that, of course, it's going to
affect individuals of that
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:10
			community now. Of course, they are
part of the Muslim community. What
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:14
			I've noticed is that we have a
divide where we don't use modules
		
00:58:14 --> 00:58:18
			that our beloved black brothers
and sisters already have in place
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:21
			in the dominant immigrant
community. There seems to be like,
		
00:58:21 --> 00:58:25
			some type of divide in that, and
not just when we're looking at
		
00:58:25 --> 00:58:29
			individuals who historically known
it's like to go through these
		
00:58:29 --> 00:58:34
			experiences, but also even within
immigrants, there's so many
		
00:58:34 --> 00:58:38
			different so many different
divisions of race and myself, like
		
00:58:38 --> 00:58:42
			in the community I grew up In,
many of the many of the people in
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:45
			who who attend your Arab or many
of the people are South Asian, and
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:47
			myself, I'm not either one of
those, and my family is very
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:51
			diverse, so like, I didn't feel
like I could relate to people in
		
00:58:51 --> 00:58:56
			my community either. And I think
that itself is just kind of like a
		
00:58:56 --> 00:59:01
			lens into how divided we are
because we keep so strongly into
		
00:59:01 --> 00:59:04
			the like cultural ties we have. I
think if we're able to start
		
00:59:04 --> 00:59:09
			looking at the benefits that each
culture or each race brings into
		
00:59:09 --> 00:59:12
			our general Muslim community, take
from the things that those
		
00:59:12 --> 00:59:15
			communities have used, whether in
their home countries or here
		
00:59:15 --> 00:59:19
			natively in the United States, and
look at what has worked for people
		
00:59:19 --> 00:59:22
			in that community, we can start
making modules that would be
		
00:59:22 --> 00:59:26
			effective throughout the United
States for the Muslim community.
		
00:59:26 --> 00:59:29
			Now, that is a very long term
process. That's like, I don't
		
00:59:29 --> 00:59:31
			know. Maybe I don't know if we're
going to be able to see that
		
00:59:31 --> 00:59:34
			anytime in our lifetimes, or maybe
towards the end of them, if God
		
00:59:34 --> 00:59:39
			blesses the long ones. But I think
just at a very basic level, having
		
00:59:39 --> 00:59:42
			conversations like this is the
start of it. And being open Asmaa
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:45
			did a great job. Michelle
Obamacare, I think he mentioned,
		
00:59:45 --> 00:59:48
			hey, he put together an incredible
program that actually addressed a
		
00:59:48 --> 00:59:52
			lot of these issues. And growing
up like, we didn't talk about the
		
00:59:52 --> 00:59:55
			seven conferences, it was always
like, even if you did have
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:58
			conversations, guys and girls were
separate, and it was always very
		
00:59:58 --> 00:59:59
			segregated. And.
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:04
			It was what I deal with now are
the outcome of that generation who
		
01:00:04 --> 01:00:07
			are always segregated and don't
know how to deal in their own
		
01:00:07 --> 01:00:10
			marriages because it was always so
foreign, or it was the exact
		
01:00:10 --> 01:00:14
			extreme so like as a community,
we've unfortunately, I think
		
01:00:15 --> 01:00:16
			failed is a strong word, but
		
01:00:18 --> 01:00:22
			mishandled greatly the
consequences of a lot of the
		
01:00:22 --> 01:00:26
			cultural barriers we've put into
community centers, and if we can
		
01:00:26 --> 01:00:30
			slowly start healing from the pain
that we've caused our own
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:34
			community members as a general
community, I think through
		
01:00:34 --> 01:00:38
			conversations is one, one great
step forward, but then also it's
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:41
			going to retry, require
organization work. And this is
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:44
			what I'm seeing, that people who
have studied Mental Health Social
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:47
			Work, are now putting putting
together third spaces where people
		
01:00:47 --> 01:00:51
			can come in and just be open about
what's going here, provide
		
01:00:51 --> 01:00:54
			support, and have that type of
support. I'm seeing a lot more in
		
01:00:54 --> 01:00:57
			people who are in their like 30s,
who are starting to create
		
01:00:57 --> 01:01:00
			organizations because they're
tired of not being able to have a
		
01:01:00 --> 01:01:04
			space. So I think that Inshallah,
will long term, lead to having
		
01:01:05 --> 01:01:08
			lots of institutes where people
can feel comfortable regardless of
		
01:01:08 --> 01:01:11
			what their racial or ethnic
background is or culture. But in
		
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14
			the short term, I think it just
requires a perspective shift, and
		
01:01:14 --> 01:01:17
			part of it is recognizing who we
need to take benefit from, and
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:21
			then realizing that we need to own
to the mistakes that we've made as
		
01:01:21 --> 01:01:24
			a general community, part of that
being in racial division, and then
		
01:01:24 --> 01:01:27
			see how we can help people feel
included. Someone said that
		
01:01:27 --> 01:01:29
			they're lonely, and I don't know
if that person is still in this
		
01:01:29 --> 01:01:34
			room, but I mean, like a lot of
us, are lonely. It's so lonely in
		
01:01:34 --> 01:01:37
			the Muslim community sometimes,
and I think being able to provide
		
01:01:37 --> 01:01:40
			those spaces where conversations
can happen is one of the one of
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:43
			the most important steps to making
it an actual institution or
		
01:01:43 --> 01:01:44
			organization. Does
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:49
			anyone else want to share on that?
And if I can just add one thing to
		
01:01:49 --> 01:01:54
			that, what I would say is, you
know, we also need more people in
		
01:01:54 --> 01:01:58
			our community going into, you
know, social work, into
		
01:01:58 --> 01:02:01
			counseling, provide something so
that my children, my
		
01:02:01 --> 01:02:05
			grandchildren, won't have to say,
you know, 50 or 100 years from
		
01:02:05 --> 01:02:08
			now, like, why is it that the
Muslim community doesn't address
		
01:02:08 --> 01:02:12
			mental health issues? You know, I
definitely don't want to see that
		
01:02:12 --> 01:02:15
			question being repeated through
the generations. I want to see
		
01:02:15 --> 01:02:18
			that in future generations people
are able to say, yeah, there were
		
01:02:18 --> 01:02:21
			people who made sacrifices and
went into these fields to help the
		
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25
			community, and so that's just one
thing, and I think that's really
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:29
			important. And part of it is just
like allowing, providing, helping
		
01:02:29 --> 01:02:32
			parents understand that's so
important to encourage that I know
		
01:02:32 --> 01:02:35
			a lot of people who do want to
study, going going into the social
		
01:02:35 --> 01:02:37
			sciences or into mental health,
and it's just very hard for them
		
01:02:37 --> 01:02:40
			because their parents are very
specific on what they want, or the
		
01:02:40 --> 01:02:44
			community has defined success in a
certain way. So I think like that
		
01:02:44 --> 01:02:47
			is the right approach, and
Inshallah, people like you
		
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			will help change the course of
what it looks like towards the
		
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			Gen, through the generations. But
I think we're still so stuck on
		
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			what, on what, what the
expectation is. But that is
		
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			definitely a great idea.
Mashallah, I think part of the
		
01:03:01 --> 01:03:04
			problem might be that you still
have,
		
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			because of immigration, obviously,
		
01:03:08 --> 01:03:09
			people
		
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			who are coming from their
homelands with that kind of
		
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			baggage that reinforces or makes
people who are already Here, who
		
01:03:21 --> 01:03:24
			are trying to move away into the
mainstream, but they are kind of
		
01:03:24 --> 01:03:28
			pulled back because of peer
pressure or whatever, and
		
01:03:28 --> 01:03:33
			therefore you stay in that vicious
cycle of behaving or doing things
		
01:03:33 --> 01:03:37
			like, I know the example, like we
live in Westminster, and there was
		
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			a big program, actually, NPR on
Wayne Road, which is the next town
		
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			over that they have 35 police men
in that locality. That's down. The
		
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			population is about 60% Asian, and
they have one policeman who is not
		
01:03:56 --> 01:03:56
			white,
		
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			meaning that people don't want to
get into, into the field of
		
01:04:03 --> 01:04:06
			policing community. I know the
mayor. Residents are. He was
		
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			telling me many years ago that I
wish anything, and he's a
		
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			from Chinese
		
01:04:13 --> 01:04:18
			community. So he was telling me
that, you know, I want people from
		
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			Asia, local people to join it.
Nobody wants to go because, in
		
01:04:23 --> 01:04:26
			their eyes, being a policeman is
just a third grade thing
		
01:04:27 --> 01:04:34
			to be doing. Everybody wants to go
into this preconceived occupation,
		
01:04:34 --> 01:04:35
			which their fathers and
grandfathers.
		
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			I mean, I bet you had read it for
this child. I definitely can see
		
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			that that may be a problem for
some families, whether it's the
		
01:04:43 --> 01:04:46
			Asian community or many other
social communities or racial
		
01:04:46 --> 01:04:50
			communities, but I do think there
is a level that we need to
		
01:04:50 --> 01:04:53
			recognize that has to do with the
way that the system is set up for
		
01:04:53 --> 01:04:56
			certain communities as well. So
it's just important for us to look
		
01:04:56 --> 01:04:59
			at some of the ways that people
are tracked into.
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:03
			In fields that are not necessarily
where their family wants them to
		
01:05:03 --> 01:05:06
			be, or even the community, but
kind of the way that the system is
		
01:05:06 --> 01:05:09
			set up as well. Just important to
recognize that both may exist. But
		
01:05:09 --> 01:05:12
			thank you for mentioning that
point. Yes, having dealt
		
01:05:14 --> 01:05:17
			with these issues for so long,
perhaps alongside other than
		
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			my
		
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			consent, because conversation
first, just to add the
		
01:05:25 --> 01:05:30
			conversation, I don't think being
represented in every profession
		
01:05:31 --> 01:05:35
			makes us any better or worse than
anybody else. There are a lot of
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:38
			communities who have nobody in
police, and they're doing quite
		
01:05:38 --> 01:05:43
			well. So that I don't think is the
issue. I think the issue is, in
		
01:05:43 --> 01:05:47
			our case, my generation, that you
know, the first and the second
		
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			wave of immigrants. We brought
with us, unfortunately, lot of
		
01:05:52 --> 01:05:58
			ignorance. We brought with us a
lot of these mullahs who had
		
01:05:58 --> 01:06:01
			memorized Quran and who were at
basic level from speaking English,
		
01:06:02 --> 01:06:06
			but they're royally messed up with
with with us, with lot of papers,
		
01:06:07 --> 01:06:10
			slowly, I think we're getting fast
at stage, but I think that
		
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			Achilles heel still remains how we
continue to treat our women,
		
01:06:15 --> 01:06:17
			especially in The mosque.
		
01:06:18 --> 01:06:25
			We, regardless of whatever we will
say, our book always is, oh, we
		
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			women are equal. Oh women, it's
just a degree of difference. I
		
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			mean, we'll cite Quran and are
these nine different ways, but
		
01:06:32 --> 01:06:36
			when it will come time for prayer,
we will throw them right next to
		
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			the refrigerator,
		
01:06:38 --> 01:06:45
			and we mistreat our women. We
don't treat our women. You know, I
		
01:06:45 --> 01:06:47
			went to one of the to the
		
01:06:48 --> 01:06:52
			west ones, or East Windsor masjid,
and I said, look around here, this
		
01:06:52 --> 01:06:56
			room. This is such a blessed room,
because when you look at it, the
		
01:06:56 --> 01:07:02
			education level of this room is
bachelors, minimum of the adults.
		
01:07:03 --> 01:07:06
			And when you look at that, and I'm
only talking about the women, you
		
01:07:06 --> 01:07:10
			know, we have bad we have bank
managers, we have chemists, we
		
01:07:10 --> 01:07:13
			have doctors and we mistreat them,
		
01:07:14 --> 01:07:18
			and and I think that's the process
we have to snap out of until we
		
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			accomplish that, and hopefully
your generation will deal with it,
		
01:07:23 --> 01:07:26
			the younger generation will deal
with it and fix this problem. But
		
01:07:26 --> 01:07:30
			I will say this, you know, this
is, if you're going to discuss a
		
01:07:30 --> 01:07:31
			community,
		
01:07:32 --> 01:07:36
			it's the women issue is our
Achilles heel, and we got to
		
01:07:36 --> 01:07:37
			address it, and got to expand
		
01:07:39 --> 01:07:41
			on I'm very glad you mentioned
that. I mean, women's, women's
		
01:07:42 --> 01:07:46
			women's issues are one of the
strongest passions for myself. And
		
01:07:46 --> 01:07:49
			I know, I mean, I could talk about
this for very long time. So I
		
01:07:49 --> 01:07:53
			mean, I think at the end of the
day, part of the problem, and this
		
01:07:53 --> 01:07:55
			is part of our issue when we look
at mental health, and this is part
		
01:07:55 --> 01:07:59
			of our issue when we look at part
of a lot of the reasons that
		
01:07:59 --> 01:08:04
			people are feeling lonely and
confused is because we we the way
		
01:08:04 --> 01:08:07
			we've shaped Islam over time is
not the same way it was practiced
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:09
			during the time of Prophet
Muhammad. Peace be upon him,
		
01:08:09 --> 01:08:12
			especially when it comes to
gender, and when we look at his
		
01:08:12 --> 01:08:15
			time, men and women were in an
open society. They worked
		
01:08:15 --> 01:08:19
			together. There was no separation
in terms of physical barrier. In
		
01:08:19 --> 01:08:22
			the masjid, women asked questions
of the Prophet, peace upon him and
		
01:08:22 --> 01:08:25
			other people. And other people
women that were appointed in
		
01:08:25 --> 01:08:28
			political positions. I mean, we
look at all of this during the
		
01:08:28 --> 01:08:31
			time of the Prophet Muhammad,
peace be upon him, and those who
		
01:08:31 --> 01:08:35
			followed after him very shortly.
But there are a lot of historical
		
01:08:35 --> 01:08:38
			reasons for those shifts. Some of
them have to do with colonialism.
		
01:08:38 --> 01:08:43
			Some of them have to do with Greek
philosophy. And as simple as that
		
01:08:43 --> 01:08:47
			is, Greek philosophy influenced
the Muslim world to an enormous
		
01:08:47 --> 01:08:52
			extent, because with the
translation of Greek work into
		
01:08:52 --> 01:08:57
			Arabic and the influence of Greek
philosophy into the understanding
		
01:08:57 --> 01:09:02
			of religion, also came the
negative aspects of Greek
		
01:09:02 --> 01:09:05
			philosophy, which, at that time at
least, believed that women were
		
01:09:05 --> 01:09:09
			not as superior to men, and also
believed that women should not be
		
01:09:09 --> 01:09:12
			educated the way that men are. So
if you look at for example, and
		
01:09:12 --> 01:09:14
			I'm talking about this time
period, if you look at for
		
01:09:14 --> 01:09:18
			example, women scholars
throughout, throughout the
		
01:09:18 --> 01:09:22
			centuries of Islam, excuse me,
Islamic history, you have Muslim
		
01:09:22 --> 01:09:24
			women who are scholars, as Dr
Akram nadumi mentions. And he
		
01:09:24 --> 01:09:27
			mentioned this in Albu Hadith that
and I spoke to him personally, and
		
01:09:27 --> 01:09:30
			he was telling me that in every
single sect that you look at at
		
01:09:30 --> 01:09:33
			Islam, like in Sunni and Shia and
mujiri, you look at all these
		
01:09:33 --> 01:09:36
			different sects of Islam, or
people who had, or like studied
		
01:09:36 --> 01:09:41
			and influenced in those areas.
Women were scholars, who were
		
01:09:41 --> 01:09:44
			known scholars who people would
travel to. It wasn't the way that
		
01:09:44 --> 01:09:49
			we see like Ibn taymi, a student,
Fatima beldadia. She was a female
		
01:09:49 --> 01:09:53
			who would give sermons on the
pulpit of the Damascus masjid, not
		
01:09:53 --> 01:09:56
			for Jamal, not, not, not the
Friday sermon, but she would teach
		
01:09:56 --> 01:09:59
			on the pulpit of the Damascus
masjid. And men and women.
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:03
			Would go and attend and listen to
our lecture, and that was common
		
01:10:03 --> 01:10:07
			during that time. But if you look
specifically at the people whose
		
01:10:07 --> 01:10:12
			families focus, or who are
scholars from from from the Greek
		
01:10:12 --> 01:10:15
			influence, their own children,
their own daughters, didn't
		
01:10:15 --> 01:10:18
			continue because they weren't
encouraged to get an education the
		
01:10:18 --> 01:10:22
			same way that others were. I'm not
blaming Islamic downfall on on
		
01:10:22 --> 01:10:26
			Greek, Greek philosophy in any
way. I'm just saying that in
		
01:10:26 --> 01:10:30
			certain aspects of our history,
certain political or certain
		
01:10:30 --> 01:10:33
			cultural influences affected the
way that our communities then
		
01:10:33 --> 01:10:36
			treated women. And that wasn't the
way that the Prophet Muhammad,
		
01:10:36 --> 01:10:40
			peace be upon him, gave us the
platform of doing so. And I think
		
01:10:40 --> 01:10:43
			if we can actually get back to
that part of that. Thank you so
		
01:10:43 --> 01:10:45
			much for hosting me as a female
and not freaking out when I
		
01:10:45 --> 01:10:48
			recited for Addison communities.
Do part of that is recognizing
		
01:10:48 --> 01:10:51
			that that's just normal, that's
part of our history, and being
		
01:10:51 --> 01:10:54
			able to revive that. I think,
Inshallah, long term, if we can do
		
01:10:54 --> 01:10:56
			that systemically in our
community, we'll get back to a
		
01:10:56 --> 01:11:00
			good place. But I mean, if women
are still praying in closets, and
		
01:11:00 --> 01:11:03
			when they're professionals,
they're treated with respect. Why
		
01:11:03 --> 01:11:06
			would they continue to come? I, I
have so much trouble going to the
		
01:11:06 --> 01:11:10
			masjid. It is so hard for me. And
I'm somebody who is studying
		
01:11:10 --> 01:11:13
			Islam, somebody hamdules memorized
for and somebody who works a
		
01:11:13 --> 01:11:16
			little Muslim thing all the time.
The Masjid hurts my heart, and it
		
01:11:16 --> 01:11:21
			makes i It's very painful to go to
the masjid and and I'm somebody
		
01:11:21 --> 01:11:23
			who's very committed, and I have
struggled,
		
01:11:25 --> 01:11:29
			so it's very it's a common it's a
common reality in our in our
		
01:11:29 --> 01:11:33
			community. But the question isn't,
okay, am I just going to stop it's
		
01:11:33 --> 01:11:36
			what am I going to do to change
it? And that's that's a process,
		
01:11:36 --> 01:11:40
			that's a process to get to that
point. Yeah, at this point, with
		
01:11:40 --> 01:11:45
			mugger coming in, I want to
conclude our formal event, but I
		
01:11:45 --> 01:11:49
			want us to have a space where we
can do the evening mugwort prayer,
		
01:11:50 --> 01:11:54
			and also we have some food so
people can stick around and engage
		
01:11:54 --> 01:11:57
			in small discussions. And please
do get to know Maryam and ask any
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:00
			questions that you may have. You
know, privately, you can come up
		
01:12:00 --> 01:12:04
			to her when we can form small
circles and, you know, continue
		
01:12:04 --> 01:12:07
			just to keep in touch. Maryam is a
very special one of the things
		
01:12:07 --> 01:12:08
			that I love about
		
01:12:10 --> 01:12:13
			Maryam and a lot of people like
her, is that she's just so open
		
01:12:13 --> 01:12:18
			and accessible. And, you know,
anytime I've emailed her, you
		
01:12:18 --> 01:12:21
			know, within 24 hours, I get a
response that's because you email
		
01:12:21 --> 01:12:23
			me like, what's your bio?
		
01:12:24 --> 01:12:27
			You're not like I have this life
crisis, but I always respond,
		
01:12:27 --> 01:12:29
			please feel free. I mean, I thank
you so much for hosting me. Was an
		
01:12:29 --> 01:12:32
			honor. It was an honor to be with
you guys. Please forgive me if I
		
01:12:32 --> 01:12:34
			said anything they didn't jive
with you. I mean, this is a
		
01:12:34 --> 01:12:38
			process. These conversations are a
process. These are not like linear
		
01:12:38 --> 01:12:41
			discussions that we can have about
certain, certain topics that are
		
01:12:41 --> 01:12:45
			very, very personal. But thank you
for having me. If you do have
		
01:12:45 --> 01:12:48
			further questions, I'm, I'm very
responsive on Facebook or you can
		
01:12:48 --> 01:12:53
			email me. My email is contact
Mariam with a Y, [email protected]
		
01:12:54 --> 01:12:57
			but if you, if you email me,
Inshallah, get back to you always
		
01:12:57 --> 01:12:59
			respond. It was a, really a
pleasure to talk to you guys
		
01:12:59 --> 01:13:02
			formally and it shall help to get
to know you a little more
		
01:13:02 --> 01:13:05
			privately. But let's end with a
job. Inshallah, yeah. Inshallah,
		
01:13:05 --> 01:13:08
			was going to say the same
subhanigulahoma will be having the
		
01:13:08 --> 01:13:12
			conditional and that ILAHA, I just
ask God to be pleased with us, to
		
01:13:12 --> 01:13:16
			forgive us, to be of the ones who
to help us, be of the ones who can
		
01:13:17 --> 01:13:21
			be close to him in this life and
in the next life. Allah, we ask
		
01:13:21 --> 01:13:22
			You, ya Rameen,
		
01:13:23 --> 01:13:28
			oh, Allah, every single one of us,
Ya Allah, has issues in our lives.
		
01:13:28 --> 01:13:31
			So many of our family members are
hurting. Allah, please, Allah,
		
01:13:31 --> 01:13:35
			please be with us and make it easy
for us. Let the difficulties we go
		
01:13:35 --> 01:13:38
			through be a means of helping us.
Come closer to you. Help us.
		
01:13:38 --> 01:13:41
			Allah, humma, regardless of what
we go through, come back to you.
		
01:13:41 --> 01:13:45
			Make us of the people who love you
and who are close to you. Ya,
		
01:13:45 --> 01:13:49
			Rabbana, Allah, please. Ya Allah,
answer our prayers, answer the
		
01:13:49 --> 01:13:55
			needs of our hearts. Ya, Rabbi
Allah, Salam Alaina, Wahabi wala
		
01:13:55 --> 01:13:59
			Ali was happy. Ijnari, Oh Allah,
have mercy on the people suffering
		
01:13:59 --> 01:14:02
			everywhere, and make a sense of
the people who are grateful to you
		
01:14:02 --> 01:14:04
			and who can help others.
		
01:14:05 --> 01:14:05
			Thank
		
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			you so much. I'm gonna add some.