Khalid Latif – First Steps Essentials of Islam #6

Khalid Latif
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The importance of learning about Islam's actions and culture is discussed, along with the use of "offensive" in relation to personal and professional life. The speaker emphasizes the need to distinguish between professors and teachers, identifying oneself as a person and their followers, and finding one's own values and values in order to navigate religion and religious learning. They also discuss the importance of understanding one's values and values in relation to one's personal and professional life, as it is a reflection of individualism rather than a fundamental belief. The importance of finding a way to navigate the digital age and finding a way to engage in practices is emphasized.
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So, one of the things that,

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I thought would be nice for us to

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do also,

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we've been focusing a lot on just, like,

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the how tos of certain actions.

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We're gonna do that a little bit more

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today.

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There's an article that I thought would be

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good for us to take a look at

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that's very short. That thing is also important

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for people who are new to Islam, exploring

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Islam,

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people who are recent converts or converted a

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while ago,

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that's called Islam and the Cultural Imperative.

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It's written by a scholar whose name is

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doctor Omar Farooq Abdullah.

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He's from Chicago.

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He's a convert himself,

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and I think it's a really helpful article

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to read as you start to look at

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practice and ritual,

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but also

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understanding that to be Muslim doesn't mean you

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commit a cultural apostasy of some kind. Right?

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It's not to become Arab or South Asian

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or any kind of prevailing cultural identity

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that the religion intertwines with, as I thought

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in the latter part of today's session, we

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could just read through that article, it's about

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a page long.

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Because I think it does a very good

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job at answering questions that preemptively

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many of you might run into,

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given that Muslim communities tend to be fairly

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homogeneous,

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very ethnocentric,

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and sociologically

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connect in ways that

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many religious communities tend to connect in,

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shared external, shared race, shared ethnicity,

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shared class.

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So if we start reading through it, we're

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not gonna read the whole thing. It is

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short, in the sense that it's not a

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book,

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but it's also not, like,

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you know,

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but I think it's helpful as you start

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to now familiarize yourself

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with concepts of theology and fiqh on a

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practical level, you can also just engage Muslims

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from so many different backgrounds.

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They're going to

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tell you,

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like, quite often definitively,

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this is what Islam is,

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where it doesn't necessarily have to be absolute

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in that sense.

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Do you know? When it comes to modes

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of

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kind of culture

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and how that

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intertwines,

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one of the things that doctor Omer says

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in this article that's really great is that

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he likens the relationship

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of Islam and culture

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to

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a stream that flows over

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bedrock.

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And he says the water in a stream

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inherently takes on

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the color of the bedrock upon which it

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flows.

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He says this is a relationship of sharia

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to culture,

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and that it's meant to now

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be indicative

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of the culture

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and a reflection of it. So if you

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go to China, Islam looks Chinese. If you

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go to Malaysia, Islam looks Malaysian.

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Right? If you go

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to Indonesia, it looks Indonesian.

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Nigeria, it looks Nigerian. Right? You get the

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idea. The challenge that we run into

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in the United States

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is that you have Muslims from all of

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these cultures

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within the United States context.

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Right? Many of us are going for Umrah

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tomorrow. Right? Melak accepted from us, make it

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easy.

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You all should join us on a future

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trip. It's a smaller pilgrimage to Mecca and

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Medina.

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When you go there, there's, like, people literally

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from all over the world. If you go

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for Hajj, which is a larger pilgrimage in

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our tradition, we'll probably talk about that, you

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know, some weeks from now, what that means.

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It's really amazing to just see how everything

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functions

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because the way

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the Hajus is set up is you live

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in tents in a city called Minnaq,

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and it's a tent city. Oh, wow. Looks

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very like Lord of the Rings esque, if

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you've watched Lord of the Rings,

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where built into the mountains and across these

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plains are just all of these tents.

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And the ways the tents are divided is

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by the country that you get your visa

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from. When you walk through this tent city,

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after a few days of the Hajj,

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people are able to wear just their regular

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clothing

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and they remove kind of the white sheets

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that you've probably

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through this, and how deep Islam is and

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how beautiful it is. You go to the

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tents where people are from, like Malaysia, Indonesia,

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and there's a lot of different colors

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and different kinda language spoken,

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you know, the foods are reflective of the

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culture. You go then to the Indian subcontinent

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tents, you know, men are wearing shirts and

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women that go below their knees.

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There's some vibrancy

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to the language.

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There's more spice in the food, you go

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to tents from West Africa,

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there's a lot of beautiful gold and purple,

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like, clothing and, you know, language, again, is

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distinct and you kinda get the idea, right?

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The Gulf States,

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men are all wearing white, women are dressed

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in black.

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And when you come to the American tents

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or, like, the UK tents, there's people from

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all of those tents in our tents.

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When they go home and they are all

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pretty much the same outwardly,

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we come back to this place where all

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of us are different from each other. Right?

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And you look in this room,

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everybody's a little bit different from the people

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sitting next to them, you know? And what

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the point is of this class is to

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not just say, here's the how tos, the

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do's and don'ts, like how we went through,

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we'll

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do for a good 3 weeks to talk

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about the mechanics of it, the spiritual aspects

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of it, these kinds of things. You also

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wanna just ready yourself to think about

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where and how

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the depth of this religion

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is rooted

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in a shared theology

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that transcends cultural differences.

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But on a practical level, it's not necessarily

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always that easy,

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to fit into some place

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when people normatively believe that the way that

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they do it is the only way to

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do it

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from a culturally hegemonic standpoint. And the the

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base of this dough in a, like, foundation

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class

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is that you want to understand that

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to convert to Islam doesn't mean you commit

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a cultural apostasy.

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And as you're navigating this and you are

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experiencing this, or

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you engage your own sense of religious journey,

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there are things that are absolutes,

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prohibitions,

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obligations.

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We talked about what is foundational theology in

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Islam, what makes somebody Muslim.

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And so this is a very important thing

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to understand

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because you could walk into many

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Muslim spaces,

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and

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the hope is that it's gonna feel familiar,

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but the idea is that it can feel

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unfamiliar.

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But on the flip end of it,

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the same thing that brings those people together

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sociologically,

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shared language, shared food, shared culture,

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is not like a bad thing

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and there's a familiarity that becomes

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necessary

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at times when you're exploring the religion

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and certain things make sense in terms of

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the theology and practice,

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but on a lived level, it's I don't

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know how to be Muslim

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because

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an underlying element is I don't know how

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to be Arab, I'm not Arab. I don't

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know how to be South Asian, I'm not

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South Asian. Right? I'm Latino, I'm white, I'm

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black,

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African American. I'm not in this place. And

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what this article does, I think very nicely,

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is outlines the base of how

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Sharia relates to culture. And you want to

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be aware of this just as you navigate

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these things. You know, but where it goes

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in both directions, I'll give you an example.

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We had a young brother in our community

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who is half Puerto Rican and half Dominican,

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and he

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was celebrating,

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like, Eid with us for years. He prayed.

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He observed Ramadan.

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And then, one night in Ramadan a few

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years ago, he sat with me and he

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said, you know, everything in this religion makes

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sense,

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but

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I don't know any Muslims

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who are Puerto Rican or Dominican like I

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am. And he says it just makes it

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feel very much like it's not something

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for me. And I said, oh, my brother-in-law

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is Puerto Rican and Dominican. He said, what

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do you mean? And I said, yeah. My

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sister is married to a guy who's Puerto

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Rican and Dominican. His name is Ulysses, really

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great. Uli converted to Islam many years ago.

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After him, his younger brother, Brian, converted to

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Islam.

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And then, in our center at Jum'ah,

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their sister, who's between them in age, took

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her shot, they hear, one day.

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And I introduced this guy to Yulee, like,

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a couple of days later. And they sat

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down

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and

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everything

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just, like, you could see felt so different

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to him. Do you know? It was very,

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very unique.

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We had another lady who came here for

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the first time for Jummah,

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and she was a convert and had come

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out of a place where she was the

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only person,

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for backgrounds.

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White lady,

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blonde hair, blue eyes,

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and

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she came in and the room was filled

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with, like, white people that day And she

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sat down with me. She's like, I've never

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been to a masjid that has this many

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white Muslims. And I sat with her and

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I was like, there's a group visiting from

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Denmark today that is not Muslim and they

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were just here to participate in Jummah. But,

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like, but there's still people who are here

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who are converts and and they kinda get

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what you're talking about,

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but it was a need that she didn't

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even know that she had. Right? That's how

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we connect sociologically.

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We crave similarity and familiarity.

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In your own journey with Islam,

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you're gonna run into people who cannot see

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Islam

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bigger than what they've been brought up with.

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They're gonna only see kind of the culture

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that is infused with religion. That doesn't negate

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who they are, but they see permissibility,

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in this framework

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as normativity.

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That this is the only way to do

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something

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as opposed to one of the ways that

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someone can do something. Do you get what

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I'm saying? Does that make sense? Yeah. So

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let's take a quick look at this article.

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We won't read the whole thing,

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but doctor Omer Farooq Abdullah,

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he's from Chicago,

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and he wrote this, like, years ago.

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He's like a true scholar in the scholarly

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sense of things, like very intellectual,

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writes a lot about spirituality,

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theology,

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he's a professor in Saudi Arabia for some

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time, he's lived all over the world,

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traces a lot of his shiuk, his teachers

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to West Africa,

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and, you know, he's just a very, like,

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nice, kind man. Right? And I think as

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you navigate

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religion and religious learning, you want to also

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think and distinguish between who your professors are

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and who your teachers are. Right? Who you

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just take information from and who it is

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that you take a sense of just character

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and ethic from,

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and the distinction there becomes really important,

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and he's like a nice guy. Right?

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So if we can just start with this

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first paragraph

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that says, for centuries, Islamic civilization

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harmonized indigenous forms of cultural expression. Does anybody

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want

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to

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read?

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Do

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people

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have it? We're looking at articles called Islam

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and the Cultural Imperative

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by a man named Omer Farooq Abdullah.

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If you just Google it,

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and the first

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site that pops up is like an OASIS

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site, It'll say download English,

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so we can just download the English. Does

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anybody wanna start reading? We're not gonna read

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the whole thing.

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This stuff is sacred, Paul.

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For centuries, Islamic civilization harmonized indigenous forms.

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It looks like this when you download it.

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Yeah.

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It struck a balance between temporal beauty and

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ageless truth, and fanned a brilliant peacock's tale

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of unity and diversity from the heart of

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China to the shores of the Atlantic.

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That's beautiful. That's a bar. Islamic jurisprudence

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helped facilitate this creative genius

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in history.

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Islam showed itself to be culturally friendly,

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and in that regard,

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it has been likened to a crystal clear

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river.

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Its rivers, Islam,

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are pure, sweet, and life giving, but have

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no color of their own reflect

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of their own reflect the bedrock indigenous culture

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over which they flow. In China, Islam looks

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Chinese. In Mali, it looks African.

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Sustained cultural relevance to this to the distinct

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people's diverse places in different times underlay Islam's

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long success as a global civilization.

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The religion became not only functional and familiar

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at the local level, but dynamically engaging, fostering

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stable indigenous Muslim identities, and allowing Muslims to

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put down deep roots and make long lasting

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contributions wherever they went.

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So the idea was that when Islam

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came to a people, or people embraced Islam,

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it wasn't that they lost a sense of

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who they were.

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Right? The Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

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the generation that is immediately around the Prophet

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Muhammad,

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his companions, they're called Sahaba.

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And the 2 qualities

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that one needs in order to be deemed

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to be a Sahaba,

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a companion, and I'll write the word on

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the board, but you're gonna hear this word

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a lot.

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The word sahaba,

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it denotes 2 things.

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One, that this was a person who met

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the prophet

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in the course of their life

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and 2, they died

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in a state of faith in Islam.

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Right? That it wasn't enough that they had

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one or the other,

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but they were both that categorically

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identified them to be a companion of the

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prophet. He had companions that were young, companions

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that were old,

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people who were as young as his own

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grandsons,

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right, people who were as old as his

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uncles.

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But he's in a place where

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the connection

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as a generation identified

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was to the prophet

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and how

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they

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experienced

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a relationship with him during the course of

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their life. The generation that comes after this,

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they're called the Tabayeen

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and we don't have to get into them

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just yet, but to give you an idea,

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they have the same category

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of dying in a state of faith,

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but

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they then interacted with someone who is a

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Sahaba, as opposed to interacting with the Prophet.

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Does that make sense?

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The prophet's companions, his Sahaba,

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they were definitely people who were Arab, people

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who were Quraysh,

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people who were of his clan and his

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tribe, but he also had people who came

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from all different walks of life. Right? The

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major communities

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at this time

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were people,

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you know, Persians, Byzantines, Romans,

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so the prophet has companions like Suheb Arumi,

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Suheb the Roman, you know who white skin,

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blonde hair, blue eyed, Bilal ibn Raba who

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is an Abyssinian

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slave, he's a black man from Africa,

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Salman al Farsi,

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who is Salman the Persian.

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Right? He came from a different community.

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And we're talking about specifics, but to understand

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for each one of these names, there's so

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many more. They're not like a rarity,

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but this was a community that was meant

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to be rooted in an idea that it

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reflected a theology that there's one God.

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And you have to understand this as we

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go through it because the next paragraph is

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gonna juxtapose this to,

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you know, challenging realities that stem up quite

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often.

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But let's read the the next paragraph. By

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contrast,

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much contemporary

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Islamist rhetoric Who wants to read that?

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Anybody?

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You can keep going.

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By contrast, much contemporary Islamist rhetoric falls

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far short of Islam's

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ancient cultural wisdom. Assuming at times, an unmitigated

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culturally

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predatory attitude.

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Such rhetoric and the movement

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ideologies that stand behind it have been deeply

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influenced by Western revolutionary

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dialectic

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and a dangerously selective retrieval

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and

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reinterpretation

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of Islamic scripture

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in that light.

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At the same time, however,

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the Islamist phenomenon is to no small degree,

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a byproduct of the grave cultural dislocation

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and dysfunction of the contemporary Muslim world.

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Culture Islamic or otherwise

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or otherwise provides

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the basis of social stability, but paradoxically

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can itself only flourish in stable societies and

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will inevitably break down in the confusion of

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social disruption and turmoil.

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Today, the Muslim world retains priceless relics

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of its former cultural splendor.

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But in the confusion of our times, times,

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the wisdom of the past is not always

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understood, and many of its established norms and

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older cultural patterns no longer appear relevant to

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Muslims

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or seem to offer solutions.

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Where the peacocks tail has not long since

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folded,

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it retains

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little of its former dazzling fullness.

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Where the cultural river has not dried up

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altogether,

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it seldom

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its water seldom run clear.

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Human beings generate culturally natural culture culture naturally

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like spiders spin silk.

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But unlike spiders webs, the cultures people

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construct are not always Unsurprisingly,

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Muslim

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Unsurprisingly,

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Muslim immigrants to America remain attached to the

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lands they left behind, but hardly if ever

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bring with them the full pattern

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once healthy cultures of their past,

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which if they had remained intact, would have

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reduced their incentive to immigrate to in the

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first place.

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Converts overwhelmingly

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converts overwhelmingly African American

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are often alienated from their own deep indigenous

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roots and native cultural sensibility through the destructive

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impact of cultural culturally predatory Islamist ideologies from

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abroad. Okay. So let's take a pause here.

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Right? The article is gonna introduce an objective

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reality.

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I wish it was not an objective reality,

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but it's an objective reality nonetheless, that we

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live in societies that are heavily stratified,

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deeply entrenched in ideas

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around supremacy,

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this country in particular rooted in anti blackness.

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And when you have generationally,

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within Muslim experience, individuals whose heritage

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incorporates slavery, colonization,

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the consequences of imperialism,

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There's a lot

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of generational trauma that gets passed on.

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The people stick to certain things.

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And

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to be Muslim

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doesn't denote a high level of literacy of

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Islam.

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You don't need a high level of literacy

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to have a high level of devotion. Right?

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Like, some of us are leaving for Umrah

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tomorrow, they'll accept it from us. We're gonna

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go to Mecca and Medina that every day

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has millions of people praying in the Masjids

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there from all over the world.

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You can go to other religious

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sites,

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and it's not to, like, knock anybody,

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but their main spaces of worship

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do not have that same level

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of devotion

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on a regular daily basis.

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And all these people who are praying in

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Mecca and Medina every day, all of them

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don't know all of the Quran.

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All of them don't know, like, the basics

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of Islam. Right? It's not like an entry

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point to having a close relationship with God,

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fundamentally.

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When you're coming into it from the onset,

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and why we wanna talk about it here

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and introduce it at this juncture,

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is because most

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convert classes, Islam 101 classes,

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foundation classes, they're just gonna teach you the

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how to's and the do's and don'ts of

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things. And there's not a, that's, there's a

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value to that, but we want you to

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also understand experientially,

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when you're born into it, you come to

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it later in life, you're a convert.

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An understanding that this becomes a challenge

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for many people

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living in as a diverse Muslim population as

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we have. There's some people

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who cannot separate the fact that in order

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for them to be right,

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that you have to be wrong just because

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you come from different places and you're born

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to different people. Do you get what I

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mean?

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And it can become very heavy, very challenging

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when you have to adopt an outward skin

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that now fits into somebody else's standard

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that is more culturally hegemonic

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than,

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anything that is more kind of inviting. Do

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you get what I mean? Right?

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And so, that's where this article is really

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important. If we can break it down to

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page number 4,

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There's a section that is headed, Respecting Other

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Cultures, A Supreme Prophetic Sunnah.

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So this Sunnah refers, in a technical sense

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to the authoritative example of the Prophet Muhammad

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Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, peace and blessings be upon

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him.

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In a literal sense, it just refers to

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the authoritative example of any individual. But when

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it's talked about here, it's talking about the

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Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. Can somebody

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start to read from here the prophet Muhammad

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and his companions

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were not at war with the world's cultures?

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Oh, really? Yeah, go for it.

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The prophet Mohammed and his companions were now

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were not at war with the world's cultures

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and ethnicities,

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but entertain an honest, accommodating, and

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prophetess companions did not look upon humanist culture

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in terms of black and

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white, nor did they drastically divide human societies

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into spheres of absolute good and abs

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absolute good and absolute

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evil. Islam

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did not impose itself neither among Arabs

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or non Arabs as an alien,

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partially predatory worldview.

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Rather, the prophetic message was from the outset

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based on the distinction between what was good,

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beneficial,

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or and authentically

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human in other cultures

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while seeking to older only was clearly detrimental.

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Prophetic law did not burn and obliterate

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what was distinctive about our peoples, but so

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instead to prune, nurture, nourish, and create a

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positive

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Islamic synthesis.

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Much of what became a prophet sunnah prophetic

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model

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was made up of acceptable pre Islamic Arab

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cultural norms and the principle of tolerating and

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accommodating such practices among Arabs and non Arabs

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alike in all their diversity

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may be termed as supreme overriding prophetic.

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In this being, the noted early jurors Abu

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Yusuf

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understood the recognition of good local cultural norms

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as a falling under the rubric of the

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sunnah.

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The 15th century

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grenade

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Vernon.

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Jurors put it in

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articulated

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a similar outlook and stress. For example, that

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it is not the purpose of a child

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just

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to impinge upon the cultural integrity integrity

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of non Arab Muslims who are at liberty

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to to to develop or maintain their own

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distinctive dress

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within the broad parameters of the sacred law.

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So people understand what this means.

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Yeah? So I'd like you to do just

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for a minute, we can take a pause

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and turn to the person next to you.

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What are you taking away from this so

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far? Like, what are the things we can

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extrapolate from this? Things that you might seem

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to be, like, very obvious

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or things that you're kinda like, oh, I

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didn't know that. But,

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also, how does it kinda relate to your

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own experience thus far? As you're exploring Islam,

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you're a convert, you're, like, born into it,

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This is, like, telling us what the basis

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is

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of a prophetic model of engagement.

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But I'd love to just have you all

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talk for a couple minutes to each other.

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What are some of the things it's bringing

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up for you or you're taking away? And

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then we'll come back and discuss as a

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group. Go ahead.

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So you just stare at the person next

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to you, introduce yourself if you don't know

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them, and then you just talk for a

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couple of minutes.

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Okay. So what are some of the things

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that's bringing up for you or you're taking

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away from it so far?

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What are we talking about

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in our groups?

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Who wants to start?

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Anybody?

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Yeah.

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Mine was in reference to, like, the last

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couple of sentences that that there's a thread,

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about

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not having specific with

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certain type of threats. Okay.

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Is there a broad spectrum of what can

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you consider?

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It is, like,

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modest is, like, my favorite comment.

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And I don't want to

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I don't like

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culturally appropriate by wearing something a certain way

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or if I should do my own thing.

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Like, sometimes I wear just like a beanie.

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Sometimes I won't wear anything.

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It's my first time wearing a scarf

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ever. So and I feel very I feel

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very comfortable in it, but I that's another

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thing that I took from it is, like,

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where do I fit on the spectrum

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when no one in my culture or family

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practices this type of honesty.

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Yeah. And

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fleshing that out in a practice that's, like,

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very real,

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especially if you're converting into something and you've

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lived now for multiple years already

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prior to that moment, and you have friends

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and you have family.

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That's why, like, the very first thing we've

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talked about

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is, like, who is God in all of

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this, right? Because if there's not a God

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centric worldview and it's just you have to

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do this because this is what's done,

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then it just becomes more about the mechanics

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without a base that says, but why am

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I doing certain things in certain ways? Right?

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And we're gonna go through this whole section

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just because I think it's important and then

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the rest you can read on your own,

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but there's gonna come to a part where

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he says, it's also important to, like, let

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go of parts of culture

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that don't coincide with Islam as a religion.

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Right?

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That there's this kind of sense of

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it not being absolute in one direction or

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the other,

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but there's a combination of saying we take

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what's good and we leave behind what's bad.

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But

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a big part of it is recognizing

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that you don't leave it altogether and the

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majority of it is gonna actually be stuff

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that kind of fits in. Is that, you

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know what I mean? What else did we

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talk about? What else came up in your

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in your, like, smaller group discussions?

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Yeah, go for it. Something that you just

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mentioned,

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I think

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we just kind of talked about weddings, specifically,

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in our culture.

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Weddings? Weddings

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and how,

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like,

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sometimes it's not correct Islamically,

00:28:01 --> 00:28:04

but culturally, it's, like, so accepted that

00:28:05 --> 00:28:07

sometimes even parents, they're like, you do it

00:28:07 --> 00:28:08

this way, but

00:28:13 --> 00:28:15

buying between, like, what's correct and what's not

00:28:15 --> 00:28:16

correct and,

00:28:16 --> 00:28:18

like or even, like,

00:28:18 --> 00:28:21

marrying someone outside of, like, your culture is

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seen

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as really bad.

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And, like, I have seen that in my

00:28:26 --> 00:28:27

family where if somebody,

00:28:28 --> 00:28:31

married someone outside of white, Foxconnian did. Like,

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everybody was just like, oh my god. Like,

00:28:33 --> 00:28:35

how could you even though they committed just

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mom?

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So I feel like

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that's their, like, culture and, like, like, that's

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their outside of, like, culture. It's,

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Yeah. And the broader we

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has to be kind of broken down into

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I statements

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because, fundamentally, as an individual, you have to

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determine for yourself what goes into your decisions,

00:29:00 --> 00:29:01

what goes into your choices,

00:29:02 --> 00:29:04

and where and how we can navigate it.

00:29:04 --> 00:29:06

But even in the prism of weddings, right,

00:29:06 --> 00:29:08

I do a lot of weddings. Right? When

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when I'm just like, you know, whoops.

00:29:11 --> 00:29:14

A lot of weddings. But what's amazing is

00:29:14 --> 00:29:17

when people are getting married from distinct cultures

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and, also,

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people are getting married from the same culture.

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And you get to experience just, like, how

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deep again and beautiful Islam is

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and the way that it just manifests in

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so many different traditions

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and all of these weddings look so different

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than what is just sometimes deemed to be

00:29:38 --> 00:29:39

normative

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rather than simply permissible.

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Do you do you get what I mean?

00:29:43 --> 00:29:43

Right?

00:29:44 --> 00:29:45

I've done weddings for, like,

00:29:45 --> 00:29:47

Egyptians that are marrying Afghans,

00:29:48 --> 00:29:50

weddings for people who are Sudanese that are

00:29:50 --> 00:29:52

marrying Italian people,

00:29:52 --> 00:29:54

weddings for Pakistanis

00:29:54 --> 00:29:56

getting married to Egyptians,

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and people just blend all of their cultures

00:29:58 --> 00:29:59

together.

00:30:00 --> 00:30:02

Right? And it's it's really amazing to

00:30:03 --> 00:30:04

see that it's a reflection

00:30:04 --> 00:30:05

of individuals

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that that diversity can be embraced and appreciated

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as opposed to you gotta leave certain things

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at the table,

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or at the door rather,

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and they can't kinda be brought to the

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table. Do you you see what I'm saying?

00:30:20 --> 00:30:22

There's moments like this that we all experience

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that just because it's unfamiliar doesn't mean that

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it doesn't fit

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in, and where and how

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you can understand at a base level when

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it's a God centric religion

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that Islam claims to be for all of

00:30:36 --> 00:30:37

humanity.

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It's not making a claim that it's for

00:30:40 --> 00:30:40

all of humanity,

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and then all of humanity suddenly

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becomes

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as if they lived 1400 years ago in

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this generation,

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but you draw and extrapolate lessons and meanings

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and teachings from it. And it's one of

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the healthy ways that our religion embraces individualism

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because even all these people in this generation,

00:31:00 --> 00:31:02

they weren't all alike. They weren't all the

00:31:02 --> 00:31:05

same. They had different temperaments, different personalities, different

00:31:05 --> 00:31:06

demeanors.

00:31:06 --> 00:31:08

They struggled with different things.

00:31:08 --> 00:31:09

It's really easy

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when you

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start to explore this religion and you walk

00:31:13 --> 00:31:14

into a space

00:31:15 --> 00:31:17

that they'll give you an aspect of Islam

00:31:17 --> 00:31:19

but it's not Islam in its entirety.

00:31:20 --> 00:31:21

Do you do you get what I mean?

00:31:21 --> 00:31:22

Does that make sense?

00:31:23 --> 00:31:24

Okay. Why don't we keep reading?

00:31:25 --> 00:31:27

The Quran enjoined the Prophet Muhammad on page

00:31:27 --> 00:31:30

4, the second column. The Quran enjoined the

00:31:30 --> 00:31:33

Prophet Muhammad to adhere to people's sound customs

00:31:33 --> 00:31:34

and usages

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and take them as a fundamental reference in

00:31:36 --> 00:31:37

legislation.

00:31:38 --> 00:31:40

Accept from people what comes naturally for them,

00:31:40 --> 00:31:42

command what is customarily

00:31:42 --> 00:31:45

good, and turn away from the ignorant without

00:31:45 --> 00:31:46

responding in kind.

00:31:46 --> 00:31:49

Ibn Atiyeh, a renowned early Andalusian jurist and

00:31:49 --> 00:31:50

Quranic commentator,

00:31:51 --> 00:31:53

asserted that the verse not only upheld the

00:31:53 --> 00:31:54

sanctity

00:31:54 --> 00:31:58

of indigenous culture, but granted sweeping validity

00:31:58 --> 00:31:59

to everything

00:31:59 --> 00:32:02

the human heart regards as sound and beneficial

00:32:02 --> 00:32:05

as long as it is not clearly repudiated

00:32:05 --> 00:32:09

in the revealed law. For classical Islamic jurists

00:32:09 --> 00:32:09

in general,

00:32:10 --> 00:32:12

the verse was often cited as a major

00:32:12 --> 00:32:13

proof text for the affirmation

00:32:14 --> 00:32:15

of sound cultural usage,

00:32:16 --> 00:32:18

and it was noted that what people generally

00:32:18 --> 00:32:19

deem as proper

00:32:20 --> 00:32:22

tends to be compatible with their nature and

00:32:22 --> 00:32:22

environment,

00:32:23 --> 00:32:25

serving essential needs and valid aspirations.

00:32:26 --> 00:32:28

The story of the sons of Arfida,

00:32:29 --> 00:32:30

a familial

00:32:30 --> 00:32:32

Arabian linguistic reference

00:32:33 --> 00:32:33

to Ethiopians,

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provides a telling illustration of the place of

00:32:37 --> 00:32:37

culture,

00:32:38 --> 00:32:40

here of course, black African culture,

00:32:40 --> 00:32:42

within the prophetic dispensation.

00:32:43 --> 00:32:46

In celebration of an annual Islamic religious festival,

00:32:47 --> 00:32:49

a group of a group of black African

00:32:49 --> 00:32:49

converts

00:32:50 --> 00:32:52

began to beat leather drums and dance with

00:32:52 --> 00:32:54

spears in the Prophet's mosque.

00:32:54 --> 00:32:56

Umar ibn al Khattab, one of the chief

00:32:56 --> 00:32:57

companions,

00:32:57 --> 00:33:00

felt compelled to interfere and stop them, but

00:33:00 --> 00:33:04

the prophet intervened on their behalf directing Umar

00:33:04 --> 00:33:07

to leave them alone and noting to him

00:33:07 --> 00:33:08

that they were the sons of Arfida,

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

that is not his people.

00:33:11 --> 00:33:14

The prophet invited his wife, Aisha, to watch

00:33:14 --> 00:33:15

the dance,

00:33:15 --> 00:33:17

took her into the crowd, and lifted her

00:33:17 --> 00:33:19

over his back so that she could watch

00:33:19 --> 00:33:22

them clearly as she eagerly leaned forward, her

00:33:22 --> 00:33:24

cheek pressing against his.

00:33:24 --> 00:33:26

The prophet made a point to dispel the

00:33:26 --> 00:33:29

Ethiopians' misgivings about Omer's intrusion

00:33:30 --> 00:33:32

and encouraged them to dance well. And in

00:33:32 --> 00:33:34

one account of this authentic story,

00:33:34 --> 00:33:36

reassured them to keep up their drumming and

00:33:36 --> 00:33:38

dancing saying,

00:33:38 --> 00:33:40

play your game, son of of Arfida,

00:33:41 --> 00:33:43

so the Jews and Christians know there is

00:33:43 --> 00:33:45

latitude in our religion.

00:33:46 --> 00:33:47

It's not that these specifically

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

saying this in reaction to other people of

00:33:49 --> 00:33:51

the book, but you contextualize

00:33:51 --> 00:33:53

this in terms of the broader people who

00:33:53 --> 00:33:54

are now situated

00:33:55 --> 00:33:56

at this time with him,

00:33:56 --> 00:33:59

that to join this religion doesn't mean that

00:33:59 --> 00:34:01

you let go of who you are.

00:34:01 --> 00:34:03

Right? The explanation also of the story of

00:34:03 --> 00:34:04

the Banu Afidah

00:34:05 --> 00:34:07

is also not something that is tokenizing.

00:34:07 --> 00:34:09

But when you look at subsequent Hadith

00:34:10 --> 00:34:12

traditions in the prophetic Sunnah

00:34:12 --> 00:34:14

that refer to this instance, the dance that

00:34:14 --> 00:34:17

they're doing is more like a military step

00:34:17 --> 00:34:20

kinda dance. Right? If you ever seen people

00:34:20 --> 00:34:20

perform

00:34:21 --> 00:34:22

that kind of kinda,

00:34:24 --> 00:34:25

routine,

00:34:25 --> 00:34:27

you know, it's got, like, a little bit

00:34:27 --> 00:34:28

more than just there was a crowd of

00:34:28 --> 00:34:31

people around them watching these guys dance if

00:34:31 --> 00:34:32

it was a spectacle. It's like a sense

00:34:32 --> 00:34:33

of dignity

00:34:33 --> 00:34:35

and a sense of honor. You know, if

00:34:35 --> 00:34:38

you ever seen people do, like, haka dances,

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

right, if they come from a Samoan background,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:40

and it's

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

They're doing this in this way

00:34:51 --> 00:34:54

that, you know, my friend, Sheikh Obeidallah Evans,

00:34:55 --> 00:34:57

who is from Chicago also

00:34:57 --> 00:35:00

and he was the 1st African American to

00:35:00 --> 00:35:02

graduate from the College of Islamic Law in

00:35:02 --> 00:35:04

Egypt at Al Azhar University.

00:35:04 --> 00:35:07

He explains this hadith in that way And

00:35:07 --> 00:35:08

he says the Banwa for that, they weren't

00:35:08 --> 00:35:10

just like dancing around. They were doing this

00:35:10 --> 00:35:12

kinda like dignified

00:35:12 --> 00:35:13

culturally,

00:35:14 --> 00:35:17

adapted, like, kind of military step dance. Does

00:35:17 --> 00:35:18

that make sense?

00:35:18 --> 00:35:20

But what the prophet is telling his people,

00:35:20 --> 00:35:22

like his close companions,

00:35:22 --> 00:35:24

these people are not Arab.

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

Just because it's not familiar

00:35:27 --> 00:35:28

to you,

00:35:29 --> 00:35:31

doesn't mean that it's outside of the fold

00:35:31 --> 00:35:31

of Islam.

00:35:32 --> 00:35:35

Just because you're uncomfortable by it because it's

00:35:35 --> 00:35:36

different,

00:35:36 --> 00:35:39

doesn't mean it doesn't belong within this.

00:35:40 --> 00:35:42

Let the people see there's latitude in this

00:35:42 --> 00:35:45

religion of ours. This does not negate the

00:35:45 --> 00:35:46

idea that there are prohibitions

00:35:47 --> 00:35:48

and obligations.

00:35:49 --> 00:35:51

But you fit what is essential,

00:35:51 --> 00:35:53

you take what is good from the culture,

00:35:54 --> 00:35:55

and what is in

00:35:56 --> 00:35:57

conflict with

00:35:57 --> 00:35:59

those parameters that we outlined,

00:36:00 --> 00:36:00

the permissible

00:36:01 --> 00:36:02

and the impermissible.

00:36:02 --> 00:36:04

There was so much more that was permissible

00:36:04 --> 00:36:05

than impermissible.

00:36:05 --> 00:36:08

Remember we talked about the Akam Sharia,

00:36:08 --> 00:36:09

you know, what is obligatory,

00:36:10 --> 00:36:10

recommended,

00:36:11 --> 00:36:13

confirmed, prophetic practice,

00:36:13 --> 00:36:14

like neutral,

00:36:14 --> 00:36:17

what is disliked, and what is strictly prohibited.

00:36:18 --> 00:36:20

Everything other than strictly prohibited

00:36:20 --> 00:36:23

falls into the category of what is potentially

00:36:23 --> 00:36:23

permissible.

00:36:24 --> 00:36:25

Right?

00:36:25 --> 00:36:27

Even the category of disliked at times can

00:36:27 --> 00:36:28

be something

00:36:28 --> 00:36:31

that is still permissible. It's not to be

00:36:31 --> 00:36:31

done

00:36:31 --> 00:36:34

consistently, but it can still fall into permissibility.

00:36:35 --> 00:36:37

Do you see what I mean? And this

00:36:37 --> 00:36:38

is an important thing to understand,

00:36:39 --> 00:36:41

especially as you navigate Muslim communities in the

00:36:41 --> 00:36:44

United States. You're gonna go through New York

00:36:44 --> 00:36:46

City. The Indonesian mosque,

00:36:46 --> 00:36:48

Turkish mosque, Albanian mosque,

00:36:49 --> 00:36:50

the Bengali mosque,

00:36:51 --> 00:36:51

the Sudanese

00:36:52 --> 00:36:52

mosque,

00:36:52 --> 00:36:55

the Gambian mosque. You know, and it's not

00:36:55 --> 00:36:57

that these things are problematic.

00:36:57 --> 00:36:58

My grandfather

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

did speak like English as a primary language.

00:37:02 --> 00:37:04

He would need a space that reflected

00:37:04 --> 00:37:05

his socialization,

00:37:06 --> 00:37:07

his upbringing,

00:37:07 --> 00:37:10

like the realities he found himself in. Sometimes

00:37:10 --> 00:37:13

spaces will have to be either or. They

00:37:13 --> 00:37:16

can't be all it's very hard to create

00:37:16 --> 00:37:19

a space that, like, everybody feels like they

00:37:19 --> 00:37:21

can still be connected in that way. Do

00:37:21 --> 00:37:22

you get what I mean? And I just

00:37:22 --> 00:37:25

want you to be aware of that as

00:37:25 --> 00:37:27

you navigate some of these things and you

00:37:27 --> 00:37:29

navigate other people who are also very kind,

00:37:29 --> 00:37:31

but they might say to you, like, oh,

00:37:31 --> 00:37:33

you can't do that. Right? And you're, like,

00:37:33 --> 00:37:36

I can't, like, eat french fries. Like, no,

00:37:36 --> 00:37:39

you know. Muslims don't Muslims don't do that.

00:37:39 --> 00:37:41

Right? A good friend of mine

00:37:42 --> 00:37:43

was is a Hafiz.

00:37:43 --> 00:37:46

Comes from African American background,

00:37:46 --> 00:37:48

and he was leading prayer.

00:37:48 --> 00:37:51

And he had on a baseball hat, and

00:37:51 --> 00:37:53

he's, like, took off his hat every time

00:37:53 --> 00:37:54

he was praying. And I said, why do

00:37:54 --> 00:37:56

you take off your baseball hat? He said,

00:37:56 --> 00:37:58

somebody told me it's haram to wear baseball

00:37:58 --> 00:38:01

hats. Right? Like, they're not kufies like this.

00:38:01 --> 00:38:02

And I was like, you can wear a

00:38:02 --> 00:38:05

baseball hat, man. It's a hat, you know?

00:38:05 --> 00:38:07

Like, it that's, you know but it's the

00:38:07 --> 00:38:10

conveyance of something is problematic twofold.

00:38:10 --> 00:38:13

One, you can't make something haram that's not

00:38:13 --> 00:38:15

haram. Like, that's a big problem to do

00:38:15 --> 00:38:16

that. But 2,

00:38:17 --> 00:38:19

just because it's different, it doesn't mean by

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

default it's impermissible. Do you get do you

00:38:21 --> 00:38:22

get what I mean? Does that make sense?

00:38:22 --> 00:38:22

Yeah? Do people understand why we're talking about

00:38:22 --> 00:38:23

this here in this space?

00:38:28 --> 00:38:30

Right? And it's not just about only here's,

00:38:30 --> 00:38:33

like, the legal rulings and the thick and

00:38:33 --> 00:38:35

the how to's of will do. This is

00:38:35 --> 00:38:38

gonna be something that's really important. Right? Like,

00:38:38 --> 00:38:39

you could walk into

00:38:40 --> 00:38:42

a mosque that all they have is what

00:38:42 --> 00:38:44

we talked about last week when we're washing

00:38:44 --> 00:38:47

up from the bathroom. Remember? We're talking about,

00:38:47 --> 00:38:48

like, cleanliness,

00:38:48 --> 00:38:50

and we don't simply use, like, toilet paper.

00:38:50 --> 00:38:53

In Islam, you gotta rinse off, like, anything

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

that's considered to be filthy,

00:38:55 --> 00:38:57

and you could walk into a place that

00:38:57 --> 00:38:58

doesn't have a hand bidet. You could walk

00:38:58 --> 00:39:00

into places culturally

00:39:00 --> 00:39:02

like South Asian, and they use, like, those

00:39:02 --> 00:39:05

large, like, watering pots that are called lortas.

00:39:05 --> 00:39:07

If you've never seen one before, you'd be

00:39:07 --> 00:39:09

like, what is this thing? It doesn't mean

00:39:09 --> 00:39:12

that they're wrong in what they're doing, but

00:39:12 --> 00:39:14

they're catering to the norm and majority

00:39:15 --> 00:39:15

of that space.

00:39:16 --> 00:39:18

But you don't have to just say this

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

is the only way to get it done.

00:39:20 --> 00:39:22

Do you get what I mean? Does that

00:39:22 --> 00:39:23

make sense?

00:39:23 --> 00:39:25

Yeah. Okay. Let's continue.

00:39:25 --> 00:39:29

The prophet cultivated openness and objectivity towards others.

00:39:30 --> 00:39:31

This was also

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

part of his lesson to Umar

00:39:33 --> 00:39:36

and such openness enabled his companions to acknowledge

00:39:36 --> 00:39:39

the good in other cultures even when, as

00:39:39 --> 00:39:42

was the case with the Byzantine Christians, Arun,

00:39:44 --> 00:39:46

they were not only hostile to the rise

00:39:46 --> 00:39:49

of Islamic power on their southern flank, but

00:39:49 --> 00:39:53

constituted Islam's most formidable enemy. When it was

00:39:53 --> 00:39:55

related to Amr ibn al-'As, a companion of

00:39:55 --> 00:39:56

the Prophet

00:39:56 --> 00:39:59

and victorious commander in the Byzantine wars,

00:39:59 --> 00:40:01

that the Prophet had prophesized

00:40:01 --> 00:40:05

that Arun, specifically the Byzantines, but understood in

00:40:05 --> 00:40:05

this context

00:40:06 --> 00:40:08

as a general reference to Europeans

00:40:08 --> 00:40:11

would predominate at the end of time,

00:40:11 --> 00:40:13

Amr responded to his informer,

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

if then you have related this honestly,

00:40:16 --> 00:40:19

know that they have 4 excellent qualities.

00:40:19 --> 00:40:22

They are the most forbearing of people in

00:40:22 --> 00:40:23

times of discord.

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

They're the quickest of people to recover from

00:40:25 --> 00:40:26

calamity.

00:40:26 --> 00:40:28

They're the most likely of people to renew

00:40:28 --> 00:40:30

an attack after retreat,

00:40:31 --> 00:40:33

and they're the best of people toward the

00:40:33 --> 00:40:36

poor, the orphan, and the weak. Amr then

00:40:36 --> 00:40:38

added, and they have a 5th attribute

00:40:38 --> 00:40:40

which is both beautiful and excellent.

00:40:40 --> 00:40:42

They're the best of people in checking the

00:40:42 --> 00:40:44

oppression of kings.

00:40:44 --> 00:40:47

Our due attention to those European cultural traits

00:40:48 --> 00:40:49

which he knew and regarded

00:40:50 --> 00:40:53

as both compatible with Islam's ethos and universally

00:40:53 --> 00:40:55

desirable as human qualities.

00:40:56 --> 00:40:58

His response demonstrates his understanding

00:40:58 --> 00:41:01

that the future prominence of Westerners would be

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an outgrowth of their exceptional cultural traits, which

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his mind immediately began to search out after

00:41:07 --> 00:41:08

hearing the prophet's prophecy.

00:41:09 --> 00:41:11

4 came at once to his mind, and

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the 5th, they're the best of people in

00:41:13 --> 00:41:15

checking the oppression of kings, occurred as an

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afterthought but was clearly regarded amongst the most

00:41:19 --> 00:41:19

important.

00:41:20 --> 00:41:22

It was viewed as beautiful and excellent.

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They're finding a recognition that there is beauty

00:41:27 --> 00:41:28

in every culture.

00:41:29 --> 00:41:29

Right?

00:41:30 --> 00:41:33

That there's not a reductive approach to Islam

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that says everybody is going to just suddenly

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be exactly the same way.

00:41:38 --> 00:41:40

And you have to be able to navigate

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this

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as you explore Islam as a faith

00:41:44 --> 00:41:45

to understand

00:41:45 --> 00:41:48

that the exploration of Islam as a religion

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doesn't mean that you have to let go

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

of things that are inherently a part of

00:41:53 --> 00:41:56

who you are. Right? I grew up

00:41:56 --> 00:41:58

the child of immigrants

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who are from Pakistan,

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experienced partition

00:42:01 --> 00:42:04

and I run the Islamic Center. Right? Story's

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true so far.

00:42:06 --> 00:42:09

And every day in Ramadan,

00:42:09 --> 00:42:11

we only serve

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the spiciest

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Pakistani,

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like biryani,

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and like

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food with all kinds of like oil and

00:42:21 --> 00:42:21

grease.

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Why would he not be able to assume

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that this is just what Muslims eat? Do

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you get what I mean?

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And you think then about familiarity.

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And it's like, man, I converted.

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They have me not eating during daylight.

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And then after the sun sets, I'm eating

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stuff that makes me gassy and creates ulcers

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in my stomach. Right?

00:42:46 --> 00:42:49

But there's no sense of somebody might be

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different

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and this isn't what's familiar to them. When

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I went to Myanmar

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the second time to work with Rohingya refugees

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there, they're facing ethnic cleansing, genocide, may Allah

00:43:00 --> 00:43:02

make things easy for them. One of the

00:43:02 --> 00:43:05

things that happens when you work in disaster

00:43:05 --> 00:43:07

relief is that you buy food in large

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quantities,

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

and they ship whatever they can. Sometimes

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not thinking about what is, like, the actual

00:43:14 --> 00:43:16

makeup of these people. So if you're old

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enough to remember when Haiti went through a

00:43:18 --> 00:43:20

lot of natural disasters

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and people were sending all kinds of food

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to Haiti, they were sending food in large

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quantities

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inclusive of like rice and other things that

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were not native to Haitian diets.

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And then the people of Haiti started to

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develop all kinds of

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illnesses related to eating that they never had

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before because they could have no choice but

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to eat the food that they had. And

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when I went to Islamic with Islamic relief

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to Myanmar,

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and there was refugees now that came from

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there and were living in Bangladesh,

00:43:52 --> 00:43:55

One of the things that the Islamic relief

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staff did, subhanallah,

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it's really remarkable,

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was

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to, in specific,

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bring strands of rice that were native from

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Myanmar

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to these people who had fled ethnic cleansing

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and genocide.

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Not like the rice that was native to

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Bangladesh.

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And I sat with people as they ate

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it. These people, for 10 months, all they

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ate was rice every meal.

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And And then we started to bring them

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different things,

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but when they ate this different rice, I

00:44:24 --> 00:44:27

kid you not, there was people who just

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had tears pouring out of their eyes

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Because they tasted something that was familiar to

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them.

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That was of like their culture and their

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background. Do you get what I mean? Right?

00:44:37 --> 00:44:40

It's not an either or. It's a both

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and.

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It's something that's important to understand.

00:44:43 --> 00:44:46

The word for Islamic law is not like

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law the way, like, you drive through a

00:44:48 --> 00:44:50

red light and you get a ticket. You

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don't wanna think about Sharia in that way.

00:44:53 --> 00:44:56

But the most literal translation of this is

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that it's a path to water

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or the path to the watering well.

00:45:03 --> 00:45:05

So the path to the watering well, you

00:45:05 --> 00:45:06

conceptualize

00:45:06 --> 00:45:08

this now. If you know the story of

00:45:08 --> 00:45:08

Abraham

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and,

00:45:11 --> 00:45:13

Hagar, Hajar, peace be upon her, Ishmael,

00:45:14 --> 00:45:16

they get left in the deserts of Arabia

00:45:17 --> 00:45:19

with nothing but some dates and water. Right?

00:45:21 --> 00:45:25

When that runs out, baby Ishmael kicks at

00:45:25 --> 00:45:26

the desert

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floor. Hajar runs between 2 mountains called Safa

00:45:30 --> 00:45:33

and Marwa looking for some nourishment for the

00:45:33 --> 00:45:35

child where his feet are kicking, the angel

00:45:35 --> 00:45:37

comes and strikes the ground, and a well

00:45:37 --> 00:45:39

known as the well of tsum tsum steps

00:45:39 --> 00:45:40

forward.

00:45:41 --> 00:45:42

This water starts to collect,

00:45:43 --> 00:45:44

animals start to flock in the middle of

00:45:44 --> 00:45:47

the desert, a tribe called the Jurham tribe

00:45:47 --> 00:45:50

sees the animals, sends some emissaries to see

00:45:50 --> 00:45:52

what's taking place. Their astonishment, what they thought

00:45:52 --> 00:45:53

would be nothing,

00:45:54 --> 00:45:56

was now a large body of water and

00:45:56 --> 00:45:58

this elderly woman and her

00:45:58 --> 00:45:59

child. And they asked, can we,

00:46:00 --> 00:46:02

like, live here? And she said, yes, but

00:46:02 --> 00:46:04

the water is under my ownership. And this

00:46:04 --> 00:46:06

is where the city of Mecca establishes itself.

00:46:07 --> 00:46:09

Right? But the idea is that the water

00:46:09 --> 00:46:12

attracts life to it. Right? Sharia is a

00:46:12 --> 00:46:14

path to water. Is that the implementation of

00:46:14 --> 00:46:17

Sharia is meant to give you vibrancy

00:46:17 --> 00:46:18

and vitality.

00:46:19 --> 00:46:21

It's meant to be expansive, not restrictive.

00:46:22 --> 00:46:24

There's gonna be prohibitions and obligations,

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

but it's implementation

00:46:26 --> 00:46:28

rooted in a God centric worldview

00:46:28 --> 00:46:30

allows for there to be that sense of

00:46:30 --> 00:46:30

liberation,

00:46:31 --> 00:46:33

but sometimes what becomes suffocating

00:46:34 --> 00:46:37

is this culturally hegemonic attitude towards religion. And

00:46:37 --> 00:46:38

you conceptualize

00:46:38 --> 00:46:40

any body of water

00:46:40 --> 00:46:43

from the largest of oceans to the smallest

00:46:43 --> 00:46:43

of raindrops.

00:46:44 --> 00:46:46

They can be approached in a multitude of

00:46:46 --> 00:46:49

ways. You don't approach most body of water

00:46:50 --> 00:46:51

just from one pathway.

00:46:52 --> 00:46:53

It can be approached in a lot of

00:46:53 --> 00:46:56

pathways. That's how Shadia functions.

00:46:56 --> 00:46:58

You can approach it in a lot of

00:46:58 --> 00:47:01

pathways. There's verses that say, don't eat pork.

00:47:01 --> 00:47:04

They mean don't eat pork. There's like no

00:47:04 --> 00:47:05

other way to work around it. That's just

00:47:05 --> 00:47:07

what it means. But there's a lot of

00:47:07 --> 00:47:10

other things that will manifest in different ways,

00:47:10 --> 00:47:12

and this is what doctor Omer is saying

00:47:12 --> 00:47:13

in this article

00:47:13 --> 00:47:15

that culture,

00:47:15 --> 00:47:16

custom

00:47:16 --> 00:47:17

is taken into consideration

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

as practice comes about.

00:47:20 --> 00:47:22

My wife's name is Priya.

00:47:22 --> 00:47:25

She converted to Islam, like, 23 years ago.

00:47:26 --> 00:47:27

And when we got married,

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

this is gonna

00:47:29 --> 00:47:31

be our 12th year of marriage this September,

00:47:31 --> 00:47:32

Inshallah.

00:47:33 --> 00:47:35

And my wife, when she got married to

00:47:35 --> 00:47:37

me, you know, I would just write about

00:47:37 --> 00:47:40

her in various places, op eds, social media,

00:47:40 --> 00:47:40

etcetera.

00:47:41 --> 00:47:43

And my social media platforms, I have people

00:47:43 --> 00:47:45

that engage me from different parts of the

00:47:45 --> 00:47:47

world and there was people that would write

00:47:47 --> 00:47:49

on my postings things like, did you marry

00:47:49 --> 00:47:51

somebody who's Hindu?

00:47:52 --> 00:47:54

And my wife has practiced Islam longer than

00:47:54 --> 00:47:56

I have. And initially,

00:47:56 --> 00:47:57

I would get very agitated.

00:47:58 --> 00:48:00

You know, I was writing daily op eds

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

for the Huffington Post in Ramadan,

00:48:02 --> 00:48:04

like some years ago, and so I wrote

00:48:04 --> 00:48:07

one that said, people ask me why my

00:48:07 --> 00:48:08

wife's name is Priya,

00:48:09 --> 00:48:09

and I said,

00:48:10 --> 00:48:12

because that's the name her parents gave her.

00:48:12 --> 00:48:14

It was like a very angry, like, kind

00:48:14 --> 00:48:17

of thing. And then some years passed and

00:48:17 --> 00:48:18

something similar happened.

00:48:19 --> 00:48:19

And

00:48:20 --> 00:48:22

in my head, I was now a little

00:48:22 --> 00:48:24

bit older, not like speaking on my wife's

00:48:24 --> 00:48:25

behalf in any way,

00:48:26 --> 00:48:28

but I wrote something different. And some people

00:48:28 --> 00:48:29

said the same thing.

00:48:29 --> 00:48:30

And I said,

00:48:31 --> 00:48:32

well, why would they know it to be

00:48:32 --> 00:48:34

different? If you go to India and Pakistan,

00:48:35 --> 00:48:36

to be Indian is to be Hindu. To

00:48:36 --> 00:48:38

be Pakistani is to be Muslim. If you've

00:48:38 --> 00:48:40

ever watched a Bollywood movie,

00:48:40 --> 00:48:41

the quintessential

00:48:41 --> 00:48:45

name for every Bollywood heroine is Priya. Right?

00:48:46 --> 00:48:49

And these people have never experienced this ever

00:48:49 --> 00:48:49

before.

00:48:50 --> 00:48:52

They fundamentally can't grasp the idea

00:48:52 --> 00:48:53

that somebody

00:48:54 --> 00:48:55

who is Indian and Hindu

00:48:56 --> 00:48:57

converted to Islam.

00:48:59 --> 00:49:02

And they then couldn't understand also, how her

00:49:02 --> 00:49:05

name being what it was, was a completely

00:49:06 --> 00:49:09

fine Muslim name. Right? It didn't have to

00:49:09 --> 00:49:10

be an Arabic name. Do you get what

00:49:10 --> 00:49:13

I mean? Right? Like my daughter's name is

00:49:13 --> 00:49:13

Medina

00:49:14 --> 00:49:15

Noor Latif.

00:49:15 --> 00:49:18

All three Arabic names.

00:49:18 --> 00:49:19

My son's name

00:49:20 --> 00:49:20

is Kareem

00:49:21 --> 00:49:21

Gabriel

00:49:22 --> 00:49:22

Latif.

00:49:23 --> 00:49:24

We didn't name him Jibrael

00:49:25 --> 00:49:27

to Arabize it. We named him Gabriel because

00:49:27 --> 00:49:28

we like the name Gabriel. It's a really

00:49:28 --> 00:49:29

beautiful name.

00:49:30 --> 00:49:32

One of my friends who's like,

00:49:32 --> 00:49:35

Sheikh studied Islam for years in Syria, he

00:49:35 --> 00:49:36

named his daughter Hope.

00:49:36 --> 00:49:39

Right? It's a beautiful name. That's what names

00:49:39 --> 00:49:41

have to have. They have good meanings. Right?

00:49:41 --> 00:49:42

But this is what Sharia is. It's a

00:49:42 --> 00:49:44

path to water. It's not singular.

00:49:45 --> 00:49:46

It only looks one way.

00:49:47 --> 00:49:48

Right? But there's sometimes

00:49:49 --> 00:49:51

multitudes of ways to get to certain places.

00:49:51 --> 00:49:52

Does that make sense?

00:49:53 --> 00:49:54

So what I want you to do is

00:49:54 --> 00:49:57

just to, like, sit with this, read the

00:49:57 --> 00:49:58

rest of the article,

00:49:58 --> 00:50:01

and allow for it to kind of soak

00:50:01 --> 00:50:03

in. So that you can understand

00:50:03 --> 00:50:06

that engaging this religion doesn't mean you have

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

to let go of parts of who you

00:50:08 --> 00:50:09

are.

00:50:10 --> 00:50:11

There will be things

00:50:11 --> 00:50:14

that every culture has that is not Islamic.

00:50:15 --> 00:50:16

This culture

00:50:16 --> 00:50:19

has a lot of real noble traits. It

00:50:19 --> 00:50:20

also has a lot of traits that are

00:50:20 --> 00:50:21

deeply racist.

00:50:22 --> 00:50:25

They do not coincide with what Islam teaches.

00:50:26 --> 00:50:28

And to be in a place where one

00:50:28 --> 00:50:30

says, I have to leave behind some of

00:50:30 --> 00:50:32

these things, then you have to leave behind

00:50:32 --> 00:50:35

it. The other things that come into here

00:50:35 --> 00:50:37

are important to understand because everybody's family's not

00:50:37 --> 00:50:38

Muslim.

00:50:38 --> 00:50:40

Everybody's family, even if they're Muslim, they might

00:50:40 --> 00:50:42

not practice Islam like you.

00:50:42 --> 00:50:46

There's not gonna necessarily be always, like, uniformity

00:50:46 --> 00:50:46

across.

00:50:47 --> 00:50:49

People are going to engage in practices in

00:50:49 --> 00:50:50

different levels,

00:50:51 --> 00:50:53

and as you navigate some of these things

00:50:53 --> 00:50:56

and you Google stuff, because all kind of

00:50:56 --> 00:50:58

information out there, but nobody's teaching you what

00:50:58 --> 00:51:00

it means, It's just gonna be more and

00:51:00 --> 00:51:01

more suffocating.

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

They're like, well, there's this many opinions on

00:51:03 --> 00:51:05

this, and this many opinions on that. It

00:51:05 --> 00:51:07

all falls under this idea,

00:51:07 --> 00:51:09

but none of it says you have to

00:51:09 --> 00:51:09

forego

00:51:10 --> 00:51:12

and commit a cultural apostasy

00:51:12 --> 00:51:14

to become Muslim. Does that make sense?

00:51:15 --> 00:51:16

Okay.

00:51:16 --> 00:51:18

So we're gonna take a pause in a

00:51:18 --> 00:51:19

minute to pray.

00:51:21 --> 00:51:23

We are not meeting next Wednesday,

00:51:24 --> 00:51:26

but from the Wednesday after, we will meet,

00:51:26 --> 00:51:28

and we'll meet at 7 on that Wednesday

00:51:28 --> 00:51:29

after.

00:51:31 --> 00:51:31

It's

00:51:32 --> 00:51:35

the last day before Ramadan starts.

00:51:35 --> 00:51:38

So not the coming Wednesday, but the Wednesday

00:51:38 --> 00:51:40

after. I don't know what the date is.

00:51:40 --> 00:51:41

2 weeks from now.

00:51:42 --> 00:51:44

After that, in Ramadan, we will meet

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

at 6 o'clock in this room

00:51:47 --> 00:51:49

on Wednesdays instead of at 7. Does that

00:51:49 --> 00:51:52

work for people, especially those who've been coming

00:51:52 --> 00:51:54

consistently? Can you get here by 6?

00:51:55 --> 00:51:55

Yeah.

00:51:56 --> 00:51:57

Anybody have an issue with it? You can

00:51:57 --> 00:52:00

tell me. Yeah. And through Ramadan, we'll meet

00:52:00 --> 00:52:03

at 6 and we'll go through other stuff.

00:52:03 --> 00:52:06

I think next week or the next time

00:52:06 --> 00:52:07

we meet, which will be 2 weeks from

00:52:07 --> 00:52:10

now, we might pivot a bit. And instead

00:52:10 --> 00:52:13

of continuing with some of the, like, you

00:52:13 --> 00:52:13

know,

00:52:14 --> 00:52:16

washing up and will do and this kinda

00:52:16 --> 00:52:18

of stuff. We'll talk about Ramadan in specific,

00:52:18 --> 00:52:20

like the do's and don'ts of Ramadan,

00:52:21 --> 00:52:22

how that kind of functions, what you can,

00:52:22 --> 00:52:25

like, kind of expect and anticipate within Ramadan.

00:52:26 --> 00:52:26

But,

00:52:28 --> 00:52:30

throughout the course of the month, we'll then

00:52:30 --> 00:52:31

go back to, like, some of what we're

00:52:31 --> 00:52:32

talking about, so there's continuity

00:52:33 --> 00:52:35

throughout what it is that we're we're discussing,

00:52:36 --> 00:52:37

and,

00:52:37 --> 00:52:39

we'll kinda take it from there. Does that

00:52:39 --> 00:52:41

make sense? Does that sound good?

00:52:41 --> 00:52:43

Okay. Great. So we're gonna take a pause.

00:52:44 --> 00:52:46

Khalid and I and Solo

00:52:47 --> 00:52:47

are tomorrow

00:52:48 --> 00:52:49

going to,

00:52:51 --> 00:52:54

Mecca and Medina. We'll be in Saudi Arabia,

00:52:54 --> 00:52:56

for the next week, that's why we won't

00:52:56 --> 00:52:59

be here next Wednesday. If anybody needs anything

00:52:59 --> 00:53:01

or wants anything from there, please let us

00:53:01 --> 00:53:03

know. We'll do our best to get that

00:53:03 --> 00:53:04

for you.

00:53:04 --> 00:53:06

All of you are definitely in our prayers.

00:53:06 --> 00:53:08

We're taking a smaller pilgrimage that's called the

00:53:08 --> 00:53:09

Umrah.

00:53:10 --> 00:53:11

It's different from the Hajj pilgrimage,

00:53:12 --> 00:53:13

that the Umrah can be done in a

00:53:13 --> 00:53:15

few hours, it doesn't have to be done

00:53:15 --> 00:53:17

at a specified time of the year, it

00:53:17 --> 00:53:19

can be done at any time in the

00:53:19 --> 00:53:19

calendar year,

00:53:21 --> 00:53:22

and, you know, we're looking forward

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

to, perhaps, one day doing, you know,

00:53:26 --> 00:53:27

a specific

00:53:28 --> 00:53:31

umrah for our conversations group or things that

00:53:32 --> 00:53:32

kinda

00:53:33 --> 00:53:35

are more, you know, segmented to helping to

00:53:35 --> 00:53:37

meet some of the the needs of some

00:53:37 --> 00:53:39

of the people that, you know, come to

00:53:39 --> 00:53:41

us through our conversations group. But if anybody

00:53:41 --> 00:53:43

needs anything, please do let us know.

00:53:44 --> 00:53:45

We'll do our best to to get that

00:53:45 --> 00:53:47

for you. Does anybody have any questions or

00:53:47 --> 00:53:49

anything they wanna add in before we wrap

00:53:49 --> 00:53:49

up?

00:53:51 --> 00:53:53

Yeah. So please lead the article in its

00:53:53 --> 00:53:54

entirety.

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

It's a really important thing to understand as

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

a base so that when you enter into

00:53:58 --> 00:53:59

certain spaces,

00:54:00 --> 00:54:01

you can get to a place where you

00:54:01 --> 00:54:04

recognize, this is why this person is potentially

00:54:04 --> 00:54:07

telling me that I need to, like, do

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some of these things that I'm doing.

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But if it doesn't feel familiar because you're

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not of that background,

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that's okay. Right? And you can still have

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gentleness and compassion,

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unless they're, like, inhibiting you from your growth,

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do you know what I mean? And being

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in a place then where you have to

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then deal with, like, certain realities,

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and I wanna be very transparent with you,

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it becomes hard for sometimes people who convert

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to Islam quite often

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because people speak in languages that they don't

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understand around them, don't invite them to things

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because they don't share, like, culture. You know,

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connections are just rooted in externals and not

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internals,

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and that's not like what Islam is about,

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fundamentally.

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But we wanna kinda be in a place

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where we're on the same page,

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in terms of what your experiences will be

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and how we can pivot and shift that

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as Khaled was saying. So we're building the

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spaces and offering insights

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so that

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it's getting better. And then in another generation,

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it'll be that much better. Do you you

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get what I mean? Okay.

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Alright. Assalamu

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Alaikum.

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