Jeffrey Lang – Communicating Islam to Non Muslims Why and How 210

Jeffrey Lang
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The speakers stress the importance of expressing one's religion and balancing faith in order to communicate with others. They stress the importance of trusting one's beliefs and being an authentic Christian. The speakers also emphasize the importance of being an authentic Christian, such as giving, and the importance of being an authentic Christian, including da Christie. It is important to convey the message clearly and truthfully, and to be an authentic Christian, even if people may be hesitant.
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At the University of San Francisco.

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I had a few I've been reading about

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Islam. I've read about a number of religions

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in the past and I've been recently reading

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about Islam

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for a few months and I decided to

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go down and talk to them and answer

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a few questions or have a few questions

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answered.

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Some curiosity.

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I went down and spoke to the 3

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students there for about

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15 maybe 20 minutes

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and then began preparing to leave.

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And to return to my normal everyday

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San Franciscan,

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that that might sound like a contradiction,

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but normal everyday San Franciscan life.

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And,

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as I was about to leave,

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the young student, the imam of the masjid,

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asked me, and

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and, doctor, do you have any last questions?

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I told him no. Thank you very much

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for your time. I really appreciate it. And

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then I did think of something. So I

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said to him, oh,

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I do have one

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question. Could you tell me what it feels

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like to be a Muslim?

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I mean, could you describe your

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relationship to God? How do you see God?

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How does he see you? How do you

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see your relationship to God?

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Just tell me what it feels like.

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So he didn't answer me immediately.

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He just kind of lowered his head,

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lowered his eyes,

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looked like he was muttering something. I assumed

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it was

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some sort of supplication.

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And then with his eyes still closed he

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started to just sort of wag his head

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from left to right. I don't know why.

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But then he suddenly just sort

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of blurted out something to me that seemed

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more like a call or a prayer than

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a part of an answer and he just

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suddenly said

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a lot

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And he exhaled a deep breath and said,

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it's so great.

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And there is nothing that compares to him,

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he said.

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In comparison to him, we human beings are

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less than a single grain of sand.

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And as he spoke, he took

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a non existent speck of sand, pressed it

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between his two fingers and lowered it to

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the floor we were sitting on, parting his

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fingers and revealed nothing.

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And he said and yet

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Allah loves us more than a mother loves

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her baby child.

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He says and nothing happens

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but by the will of Allah.

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He said that when we take a breath

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it is by the will of Allah. And

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when we breathe out,

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it is by the will of Allah.

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He said, don't we each go to take

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a step

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and lift that foot off the ground.

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That would never take place

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except

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that Allah allows it. And we would never

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bring the foot back to the ground

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unless he was overseeing every instant.

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And he said, when the tiniest leaf falls

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from a tree and twists and turns on

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its journey to the ground,

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no segment of that journey would take place

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except by Allah's command.

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And with his eyes still

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merely closed, he said, when we pray

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and put our nose to the ground,

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we feel the peace

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and rest

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that's outside this world

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and he shook his head and he said

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you just have to experience it to know.

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Well,

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he got through with his ex explanation and

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when I looked at him he looked clearly

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disappointed in himself.

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The other 2 brothers there were looking at

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him with a curious look on his face.

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Clearly they felt that the answer was not

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what I needed. They knew that from the

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preliminary conversation that I was a math professor

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at the university.

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People have this myth about math professors that

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they're very logical, they think very coherently, they

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have every single order.

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And that such a spontaneous

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sort of emotional response

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certainly wouldn't have appealed

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to anyone.

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And I'm all the more sure that that

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must have been their feeling because

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a few seconds later when I asked them

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how do you become a Muslim

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and then became 1 and the next breath

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they were completely shot.

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But the the point I'm trying to make

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is is that it's very difficult to talk

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about strategies

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of presenting Islam to others.

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I think

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sometimes we strategize too much.

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Sometimes

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it's a single word or or a sentence

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that you never thought

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would be a someone would be able to

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relate to that grabs another person's heart.

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Sometimes I think ultimately we just have to

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trust that if we say what we believe

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and feel and present it sincerely, honestly, and

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openly,

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that somehow

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if Allah wants to use us to reach

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the other person, to communicate,

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we have to somehow leave that sometimes in

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his hands. I'm not saying we should do

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it irresponsibly or unthinkingly,

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but we have to be sincere and open

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and honest.

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Because for the first 15 minutes that day

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I thought I was a victim of strategies.

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But when I asked him to just tell

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me how it felt to him to be

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a Muslim,

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I felt that I was being presented something

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real.

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And that was always my complaint when I

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sat in the audiences listening to Muslim speakers

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or any religious speakers.

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They weren't really telling what the religion is.

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You know, they'll tell you about the dogmas

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and the fundamental beliefs and the pillars and

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Islamic law and science and the Quran.

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But I would always sit there and think,

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what does that have to do with me?

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You know, I wanna know what Islam is.

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How does it live in your life? How

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does it shape your existence? Why does it

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give you peace if it does give you

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peace at all? How does it give you

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peace as opposed to other religions? What kind

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of peace are you talking about?

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You're saying Islam is the religion of peace.

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What peace? You mean you're just not gonna

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fight wars?

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What kind of peace are you talking about?

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Now it says in the Quran

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that Allah never sends a messenger to a

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community

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except in that community's language

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and one from among themselves.

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It's a natural enough statement.

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Many people would say it's not deeply profound.

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But if you think about it,

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it underlines a very important point.

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We think about what a language is. A

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language is much more than a system of

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verbal symbols by which we relate information back

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and forth.

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A language

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is very much a,

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cultural

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vehicle. It carries people's

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past. It carries their experiences, their fears, their

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hopes, their dreams. If you study the English

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vocabulary, you can read into it many of

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their experiences, many of their hopes, many of

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their aspirations by the words that appear most

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frequently.

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2 native speakers

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discussing something with each other could convey more

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information oftentimes in a couple of sentence sentences

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than a native speaker with an expert

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who understands his language in an expert fashion,

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grammatically and etcetera, vocabulary,

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but who hasn't lived the language as he

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has. It might take 2 pages or an

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entire book before they can relate to each

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other on the same level.

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And the same goes with that's reinforced by

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the fact that Allah sends sends the messenger

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from the people themselves.

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Well, we're all living right now in the

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United States of America, most of us for

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some good time. We've mastered the language. We've

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lived to some extent in the culture. But

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we Muslims have a tendency to be quite

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isolationist at least to some degree, especially when

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it comes to our religion.

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And I feel that we really don't understand

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the audience we're trying to reach.

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But how do you come to know your

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audience?

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Well,

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the Quran suggests communication.

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Now communication is more than lecturing at somebody.

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It's more than complete having this agenda

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information you're going to send,

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explain to someone.

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Communication is a give and take. There's 2

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ways to it. 1 is

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conveying your information. The other one is listening

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and really listening.

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Because the more you know your audience the

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more you can avoid

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falling into certain barriers and pitfalls.

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I find most of the time when people

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of different religions

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discuss with one another, they oftentimes end up

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fighting about things they really agree on

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and agreeing about things they really don't agree

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on.

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And we most of them seem to do

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that quite a bit when we discuss our

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religion with Christians.

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We'll end up fighting for a half hour,

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45 minutes on a point and then we

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suddenly realize we're very close on those two

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points.

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Sometimes we'll agree on a matter and we'll

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actually be very far apart and we'll use

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the words as if they mean the same

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to both of us.

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How do you come to know a community?

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Well, through communication and I mean, one of

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the best ways, and this is one of

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the ways I learned about other religions when

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I was an atheist because I was always

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fascinated by the subject.

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A lot of people working in theology departments

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in the United States are atheists.

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But one of the ways I learned was

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I would sit with a person

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trying to ask them about their religion, discuss

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it with them. They'd sometimes be very defensive.

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I'd tell them, relax. I'm not here to

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judge you. I'm not here to convert. I

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just wanna know.

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And then as they began to explain things

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to me I wouldn't attack them.

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I would try to make sure I understood

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what they were saying correctly.

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When you said this, did you mean this?

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Would you word it this way? If I

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explained it like this, would you agree with

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it?

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Then they would say no. No. That's not

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what I mean. I would word it more

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like this. And through this give and take,

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I would get myself to the stage where

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I felt if I wrote a short article

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about that person's religion and he edited

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it, he would say, Okay. Okay. That's fine.

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I agree with it. That was the level

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of knowledge I wanted to achieve

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so that when I communicated with people of

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the Hindu faith or the Muslim faith or

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the Buddhist faith that I wouldn't waste my

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time

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stumbling over false notions

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so I can get right to the heart

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of the math.

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Another

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method, equally essential, I believe,

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is to read. To read what the scholars

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of that religion have to say.

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Or read what the atheists have to say.

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Or read what the secularists have to say.

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But read what their point of view is.

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Because if you talk to the man on

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the street, oftentimes he's not an expert. He

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has contradictory notions. He disagrees with the fellow

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next to him. It's very hard. I found

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this especially difficult when talking to Muslims to

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find out what the heart of the matter

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is. But oftentimes if you read what the

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scholars write,

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it gives you some foundation to work on.

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And then you could try to see

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how their ideas are communicated in the lives

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of the individual believers that you're dealing with

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daily.

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If you do

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come to understand

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what Western scholars and many Western people think

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about faith and religion, you'll very quickly come

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to realize that some of their questions,

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some of their essential questions that really are

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the

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dominant undercurrent in many ways for this culture

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are some of the simplest

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and most difficult to answer.

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And we Muslims very seldom address

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questions like,

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what's the purpose of life?

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If God is love, if God is so

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merciful,

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then why are we here?

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If he could create

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heaven, why didn't he just pop us in

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there to begin with?

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You know, I remember there was a great

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western writer named CG Jung,

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German

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writer. He wrote a beautiful book, Answer to

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Job.

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And he has his his book is has

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these questions repeated again and again and again.

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He's a psychiatrist

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and he deals with patients. And he finds

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that his German patients have many inner conflicts

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because of these exact type of questions

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that we're dealing with. He brings up one

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question at one point. The Bible, for example,

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and I'm not here to put down the

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Bible. I'm just giving you the example. He

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said the Bible has Adam punished

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for his sin and so he's sent to

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this earthly life, the life of suffering.

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And he said, that has got to be

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the most unfair thing in the world.

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He said, here, God creates satan. Satan

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dupes Adam.

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God empowers satan

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and punishes Adam.

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If he doesn't want man to submit to

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temptation,

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if he wants man to live a good

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life, if he doesn't want man to sin,

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then why not just chain up the source

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of temptation?

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Destroy Satan altogether.

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You want men to be good? Take away

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the temptation.

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And these sort of questions really are deeply

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embedded in the culture. I'm only gonna talk

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for about a few more minutes about

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it, but they're very deeply embedded in the

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culture. My own 7 year old and 6

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year old daughters are already bringing them to

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me

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and maybe that your children are bringing them

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to you

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asking you, you know, this is a plural

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society, many different religions.

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Danny, how do we know we're right? Do

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other people think they're wrong?

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Or they'll ask the question, the same question

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I asked, Daddy, why would God create us

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just to die and make us live again?

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Why don't He just make us live permanently

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right now?

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Why do people die?

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Doesn't make sense.

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And many questions of similar nature. And believe

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me, if you watch the cartoons they watch,

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if you watch Nickelodeon, if you watch

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what they're learning in school, I'm not saying

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it's evil,

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but it very much reflects the culture and

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the questions that dominate this culture. So the

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famous question between faith and reason, the age

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old dilemma.

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That many a western writer says that no

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religion has ever resolved.

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But yet, it was the same questions and

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the same issues

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that blocked me from belief in God. That

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when I studied the Quran,

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I not only found the answers that satisfied

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me but I found so much more that

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led me to become a Muslim.

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The reason why I think these questions, these

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issues, these topics are so important

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is because

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from my reading of the Quran from the

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very first, I found this to be the

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dominant message of the Quran.

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The majority of verses of the Quran were

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revealed in Mecca.

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How many of those verses

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deal with rules and regulation?

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It's very difficult. Can you conceive of any?

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The predominant message

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was

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concept of God, man's relationship to God, ultimate

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goals, purpose of life, etcetera. It even challenges

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you to think about, do you think we

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created you purposely?

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Do you think you could have lived and

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attained the paradise without having suffered?

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Oh, man. You are laboring towards your Lord

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in painful toil,

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but you shall meet him.

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It's challenging you to think about these, to

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confront these issues. It challenged me.

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But I think we Muslims are not conveying

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the the information.

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Let's see. I have 5 more minutes. I'll

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just give a few examples of something I

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talked about and then I'll stop.

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Oftentimes, we end up talking past each other

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because we don't understand each other. So we

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didn't make the effort to understand each other.

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For example, one

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example,

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I often hear Dudley Woodbury say it to

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Muslims,

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Why don't we share our faith experiences

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before a public body?

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And,

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May,

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Dudley Woodbury works for the Zalemar Institute,

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a missionary,

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organization that targets Muslim population, the worldwide Muslim

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population.

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He often mentions that when we ask Muslims

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to share

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their faith experiences,

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they're at a loss.

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The Muslim, he says, always demands a debate

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but when he comes back with this reply,

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they back off.

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Well, it isn't because Muslims don't have faith

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experiences

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But when you ask a Muslim what's his

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faith experience,

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it's not a question that he's used to

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hearing. It's not something he's used to thinking

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about.

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Because for a Muslim he doesn't

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compartmentalize

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his life. Over here is my faith experiences.

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These are my political experiences. Over here is

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my work experiences. I'm not trying to make

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fun of Dudley Woodbury. I understand he's coming

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from one point of view where this is

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a central idea in his background

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to another

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domain where

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for a Muslim,

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life is a faith experience.

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A faith experience. His whole life he tries

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to make into a faith experience. That's his

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ultimate goal. As it says, you know, the

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Quran tells us, his living, his striving, his

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dying, all

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is for God.

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The Muslim

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tries to consecrate

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every good act he does as an act

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of worship.

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When a mother picks up her baby, she

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says, Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim, in the name of

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God, the merciful, the compassionate.

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When it's when a when a father drives

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his kids to the school and starts up

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his car, he says, in the name of

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God, the merciful, the compassionate. Because for the

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Muslim, the doing of any good deed is

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an act of worship

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through which he learns goodness, through which he

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learns mercy, through which he learns compassion.

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So that he could experience and receive the

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infinite mercy, love, and compassion

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that comes from God.

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So he sees life as very different

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but these points are often missed when Muslims

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and non Muslims talk to each other because

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they just aren't really communicating. They're talking right

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past each other.

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A Muslim might ask the Christian,

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does your religion make sense?

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Many a Christian would say, is it supposed

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to?

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I mean, really?

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Isn't faith doesn't it transcend reason? Does it

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go beyond reason? Don't you have to take

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the leap of faith?

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Are all do all miracles make sense?

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He would say.

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Do miracles make sense?

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You know, do all the acts of God

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make sense?

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So here are the 2 communities are have

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a fundamental difference of perception.

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One says

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at some stage faith has to go beyond

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making sense. The other one says, no. But,

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yes. Faith is the things we don't completely

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understand but it shouldn't contradict the reason.

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They're coming from 2 different points of view.

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The Muslim says, does your religion offer you

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a complete set of guidance that deals with

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every aspect of life from the smoke from

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going to sleeping?

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The Christian says that sounds like some sort

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of obsession.

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You know?

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I mean, do you really wanna do that?

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Can you blend, say for example, religion and

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politics

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without detrimenting both?

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Aren't both corrupted in that process?

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Fundamental differences of point of view.

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The Christian might think that one of the

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great things he has on his side is

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a statement in the bible that says, God

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through Jesus has reconciled the world to himself.

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They write it very frequently in their,

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missionary literature.

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When a Muslim reads that, as you well

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know, he reads that and

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says, well why would he have to do

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that?

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I mean, didn't he get it right the

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first time?

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Yeah. When the Muslim believes that when God

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created this world, as the Quran tells us,

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he knew full well

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that Adam would make errors, that his descendants

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would make errors, that there would be pain

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and suffering, etcetera.

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But this is part of his overall divine

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plan.

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This is a growing stage

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in his creative plan for man to take

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him to a higher level,

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which risks, of course, descending to a lower

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level. But he sees life as entirely different.

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He doesn't see this life as a punishment

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for a sin once committed. He sees it

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as an opportunity,

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as a gift

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that could take him to higher and higher

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states. Higher than any other, creature about

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it.

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Even sometimes we use the same words, this

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is my last example and I'll close with

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this, We use the same words and they

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have different meanings in the 2 communities and

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it's the one I began with just a

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few seconds ago.

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The idea of worship.

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A professor in my department said, how do

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you Muslims worship?

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I told them exactly what I just told

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you a second ago. And I said, well,

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I take my kids to school in the

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morning.

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We make love to our spouses.

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He said, no. No. I mean, how do

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you worship? What do you do? What is

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your worship?

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I said, well,

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I earn a living,

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work hard, bring home the paycheck. No. How

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do you worship?

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The

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point I was trying to make to him

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in a striking way is that let's agree

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to on one thing first of all that

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we have a different concept of worship. I

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was trying to bring that point home in

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a very sort of stark way.

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So

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the long and the short of what I'm

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trying to say is is that I think

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we must make a bigger effort and try

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to understand,

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to know

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the audiences that we're trying to communicate.

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And the second thing is that,

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once we do, I think our communication will

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be infinitely more fruitful. I had many other

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things I wanted to say, but time is

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up.

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So thank you very much.

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May, God reward you all And Assalamu alaikum.

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God's peace and mercy. At least at least

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one stopwatch is working.

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Thank you, Doctor. Jeffrey.

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And InshaAllah, we'll share the experience of, Imam

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Siraj Wahaj, who is the Imam of Masjid

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At Taqwa, who is very famous, alhamdulillah, and

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very experienced in making dawah,

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especially in the New York area, in the

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media.

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And,

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I'm sure his experience will enhance our understanding

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of doing DAO. And by the way, trying

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to load the 3,

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I'm trying to

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get the 3 together

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to make

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a zonal conference for Islam, on Dawah, InshaAllah.

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So, I'm putting you on the spot so

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that you agree, the 3 of you.

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By the way, could the assistance help us

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the way, could the sisters help us come

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this side? We have plenty of space here,

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the, in front over here. I will kindly

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appreciate it if the sisters can help us

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come this way. There are some sisters outside

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who are

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complaining.

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All my sisters are helpful and more helpful

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than men, so please do it.

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Let's see. So I think it's quarter to

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5, I think. Okay. Now this is for

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3.49 now. Right.

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3.49.

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My brothers and sisters, I'm very thankful to

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God to share this

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platform, Sheikh Jamal Baldwin

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and doctor,

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Jeffrey.

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This is

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a very good experience for me right now.

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Sheikh Jamang Babu and myself have shared

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platforms

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many, many, many times.

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And I'm so happy to have him back.

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And I saw him, today and I kinda

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complained

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because as a result of him being sick,

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that increased my work.

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So I was so happy that, he's back

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here today.

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Now brothers and sisters, those of you who

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know me,

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I think you would say that I'm never

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at a loss for words. Right?

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I always have something to say.

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But absolutely, today,

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brother

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and doctor Jeffrey Lang have actually said what

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I want to say. And

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I actually know what they have.

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And why should I

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talk

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when they've already

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said it? So we don't want to repeat

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what they've said.

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So alhamdulillah,

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but

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since you expect me to say something,

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I'll just make 1 or 2 points.

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So

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1st, brothers and sisters, I want to make

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this point. I think that it's critical. I

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I make I begin with a prayer

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that every one of us who's sitting here,

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standing here,

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would ask Allah, subhanahu wa ta'ala, that when

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we leave this conference, that we be better

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die and

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dying. Yes.

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I want you,

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those of you who are very shy

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and sometimes even intimidated to talk to non

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Muslims,

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to lose that.

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And in your way,

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as

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a professor, as a professional,

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as a student,

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as a

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so called housewife,

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whatever your field is,

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you

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have to do your part.

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And and I and I like the word

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that the prophet used.

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And and words are important

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to invite the people

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to alarm.

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An invitation.

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So, number 1,

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let us make commitment

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that we will go back to our homes

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and invite people to Islam more than we've

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ever done before.

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Number 2.

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I believe that there are 2 extremes that

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we should avoid.

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One extreme

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is Muslims

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don't ever want to offend non Muslims, so

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therefore,

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they never say anything about our deen.

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Everything Oh, we just like you.

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We

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just like you.

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We we

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no. That's an extreme.

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Brothers and sisters, our book of guidance is

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not Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends.

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You have to understand that.

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Our book of guidance is Al Qur'an.

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Okay?

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So, don't be afraid to tell the truth,

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because you can't help them if you don't

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tell them the truth. Because what we keep

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from them will cause them to die

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and then be displeased by Allah. So we

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have the responsibility

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of trying to bring the truth to them.

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Don't deny what we have. Don't deny that

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we're different. We are different, but do it

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in the right manner.

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So that's the first extreme. And the other

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extreme is that brother doctor Jamal Badri and

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brother Jeffrey is is suggesting,

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it's too hard.

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Too much.

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I was with some brothers,

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going around a particular country in Europe,

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and the brother who was with us,

00:29:23 --> 00:29:23

them cactus.

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Cactus.

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You know, he'd be driving a car and,

00:29:29 --> 00:29:30

you know, look at them, cactus.

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Too much.

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It's too much.

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Can't invite them when you have that kind

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of attitude.

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So, brothers, that's the first point I want

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to make, is that we have to be

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balanced in our approach of giving da'wah.

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And the advice that Allah

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has given to us,

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to

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wisdom. And wisdom is not left to our

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discretion.

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Wisdom is not how we define wisdom. I'm

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going to invite them with wisdom. Wisdom is

00:30:01 --> 00:30:03

how the Prophet did it. And so if

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you want to invite the people with wisdom,

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do exactly

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how the prophet did it and that's wisdom.

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Now, what I'm going to do now is

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just perhaps reiterate some of the great points

00:30:13 --> 00:30:15

that both of them have made, really, honestly

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they have made them. One of the things

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about myself and I want to be honest

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with you. I love giving Daula.

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I do. I love I love

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talking about Islam

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to non Muslims to express our way I

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love it if I ask Allah, Subhanahu Wa

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Ta'ala, I ask them to give me the

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the love to give Dawah.

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Therefore, because I want to give Dawah,

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I'm always

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searching

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for an opportunity to give dollars.

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Many of us, we miss golden opportunities to

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give dollars.

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You know why? Because we're not looking for

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them.

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Many times, brothers and sisters, if truth be

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told,

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we said we don't care about the people.

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And that's sad.

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That there are people around us who are

00:31:02 --> 00:31:05

dying. Not only are they dying in this

00:31:05 --> 00:31:07

world, but they're concerned about the hereafter.

00:31:08 --> 00:31:10

That here's a person that's dying

00:31:10 --> 00:31:12

that might wind up probably

00:31:13 --> 00:31:14

going to the hellfire.

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And yet, there's perhaps something that I can

00:31:17 --> 00:31:18

do

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that maybe if I would say something to

00:31:21 --> 00:31:23

them, invite them, drop the seed

00:31:24 --> 00:31:25

about Islam,

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maybe this person might one day find a

00:31:28 --> 00:31:30

way to a masjid or pick up a

00:31:30 --> 00:31:32

book and learn something about Islam.

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So I'm always looking for an opportunity.

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I'll give you an example.

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I was on a plane coming, from Washington

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DC on my way back to New York

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City.

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And I was sitting on the passenger,

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not passenger. The aisle of the seat. And

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I had,

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my laptop computer.

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And I was working

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on some notes.

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And there was a young man sitting to

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my right. And I noticed that he was,

00:32:02 --> 00:32:04

like, like, like, looking at me, looking on

00:32:04 --> 00:32:05

my shoulder, trying to see what I was

00:32:05 --> 00:32:07

waiting. Now I could have gone like this.

00:32:15 --> 00:32:17

But rather than do that,

00:32:17 --> 00:32:18

I kind of pushed it over a little

00:32:18 --> 00:32:19

bit

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and I started riding Dawah.

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Yeah.

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I knew he was looking, so I was

00:32:30 --> 00:32:32

inviting him to Islam in the computer.

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There are literally, every day,

00:32:39 --> 00:32:41

golden opportunities, if you want to,

00:32:42 --> 00:32:44

to invite people to Islam. I'll give you

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another example.

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We were standing outside of our master's in

00:32:48 --> 00:32:48

Brooklyn,

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recently. In fact, sometime last year.

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And there was, like, some people loitering in

00:32:54 --> 00:32:55

front of the national. They just like standing

00:32:55 --> 00:32:56

around and talking.

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So here come one of the security brothers.

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You you gotta move. Can't you can't stay

00:33:00 --> 00:33:02

here. You got you gotta move on.

00:33:02 --> 00:33:04

I said, no. No, brother. Don't make them

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

move on.

00:33:06 --> 00:33:08

Look at it. I have a captive audience.

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

Now I said, I know what.

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Now I can get rid of them. Maybe

00:33:13 --> 00:33:14

if I talk stop talking about Islam,

00:33:15 --> 00:33:17

either they'll listen or I'll get rid of

00:33:17 --> 00:33:18

them.

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Golden opportunity.

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So as they were standing there, I said,

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did you know that this was a masjid?

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They said, no. No. We didn't know that.

00:33:28 --> 00:33:29

I said, yeah. This is a masjid.

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In fact, if you notice,

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about 15 minutes from now, some some people

00:33:35 --> 00:33:36

will be coming here. You'll see about 30,

00:33:36 --> 00:33:39

40, 50, 60 people coming here. They're coming

00:33:39 --> 00:33:41

here to make prayer. Have you been to

00:33:41 --> 00:33:42

MSG before?

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A golden

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opportunity.

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Most of us, brothers and sisters,

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when someone comes,

00:33:49 --> 00:33:51

like saying to you, Here I am.

00:33:51 --> 00:33:54

Talk to me. Give me Dawah. I'm ready.

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We don't take that opportunity.

00:33:58 --> 00:33:59

A golden opportunity.

00:34:00 --> 00:34:01

You must have in your heart

00:34:02 --> 00:34:04

a desire, an excuse

00:34:05 --> 00:34:06

to talk to this person. Let me make

00:34:06 --> 00:34:08

this one other point and then we then

00:34:08 --> 00:34:09

we move on. Believe me, I'm not gonna

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

talk to your own brothers and sisters. Just

00:34:12 --> 00:34:13

no. No. Really, I'm not.

00:34:14 --> 00:34:15

No. No. I I'll tell you why.

00:34:15 --> 00:34:17

Because, you know, I'm gonna get a note,

00:34:17 --> 00:34:18

and I hate getting notes. This mother

00:34:19 --> 00:34:20

write me a note telling me to stop.

00:34:20 --> 00:34:22

I'm not gonna

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but I was in the airport in LaGuardia

00:34:25 --> 00:34:26

Airport, New York City.

00:34:27 --> 00:34:28

And I decided that I was gonna before

00:34:28 --> 00:34:29

I got on the plane,

00:34:30 --> 00:34:31

my shoe needed shining.

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So I went and and and had the

00:34:34 --> 00:34:35

man to shine my shoes.

00:34:36 --> 00:34:37

Now it just so happened

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

up to my right were 10 phones.

00:34:42 --> 00:34:43

The man had began shining my shoes, and

00:34:43 --> 00:34:45

one of the phones started ringing. So he

00:34:45 --> 00:34:46

said, Excuse me.

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And he picked up a phone

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and it was still ringing. He said, That's

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

not my phone.

00:34:53 --> 00:34:56

He said, Now, these three phones are mine.

00:34:57 --> 00:34:58

This one here is my boss.

00:34:59 --> 00:35:00

This one here is my wife.

00:35:01 --> 00:35:02

And this one here is my girlfriend's.

00:35:04 --> 00:35:04

Now,

00:35:05 --> 00:35:07

No. I'm saying now. Now I gotta I

00:35:07 --> 00:35:08

gotta say something to this man.

00:35:10 --> 00:35:12

No. I have to go Why? A golden

00:35:12 --> 00:35:14

opportunity to get done. Now what am I

00:35:14 --> 00:35:14

gonna say?

00:35:15 --> 00:35:17

Right? So he came back. You know? He's

00:35:17 --> 00:35:18

shadowed my shield.

00:35:19 --> 00:35:20

I said, you know what?

00:35:22 --> 00:35:23

If you're a Muslim,

00:35:24 --> 00:35:25

you wouldn't have a girlfriend.

00:35:27 --> 00:35:29

You could actually marry that woman.

00:35:30 --> 00:35:31

He said, well, I I can't I can't

00:35:31 --> 00:35:33

afford to marry her.

00:35:34 --> 00:35:35

I said, well, consider what you're saying.

00:35:36 --> 00:35:37

She's good enough to be a girlfriend,

00:35:38 --> 00:35:40

But she's not good enough to marry.

00:35:41 --> 00:35:43

He said, yeah. Yeah. You're right. You're right.

00:35:44 --> 00:35:46

That began a long conversation

00:35:47 --> 00:35:47

an exchange

00:35:48 --> 00:35:51

about Islam and invite him to Islam. That

00:35:51 --> 00:35:52

man will know something,

00:35:53 --> 00:35:56

something about Islam. We left that man and

00:35:56 --> 00:35:58

that man will never, ever be the same.

00:35:58 --> 00:36:00

Here's a man, a Muslim, who told him

00:36:00 --> 00:36:02

something, responding

00:36:02 --> 00:36:03

to something that he said.

00:36:04 --> 00:36:06

So brothers and sisters, my first point, I

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

just want a way of reiterating and highlighting

00:36:08 --> 00:36:09

it,

00:36:10 --> 00:36:13

reinforcing it, Looking for opportunities. Number 2.

00:36:13 --> 00:36:15

Both our speakers here today have mentioned

00:36:16 --> 00:36:17

the importance of having

00:36:17 --> 00:36:19

the right attitude.

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You must.

00:36:21 --> 00:36:22

You have to have the right attitude.

00:36:23 --> 00:36:23

Now,

00:36:24 --> 00:36:27

I'm gonna share something personal with me that

00:36:27 --> 00:36:27

happened.

00:36:28 --> 00:36:30

Allah blessed me to give a hookah in

00:36:30 --> 00:36:30

a place called

00:36:31 --> 00:36:32

Gainesville, Florida.

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This week, this Friday, it happened to have

00:36:37 --> 00:36:38

been 1 week before

00:36:39 --> 00:36:41

a major holiday called Thanksgiving.

00:36:42 --> 00:36:44

And after I gave a football, we had

00:36:44 --> 00:36:46

some of our brothers visiting from one of

00:36:46 --> 00:36:46

the middle,

00:36:47 --> 00:36:48

East countries.

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He said, brothers and sisters, I want to

00:36:50 --> 00:36:51

remind you

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that next week is so called Thanksgiving. This

00:36:54 --> 00:36:55

is a camper holiday.

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That's not our holiday.

00:36:57 --> 00:37:00

And don't go visiting your relatives and friends,

00:37:00 --> 00:37:02

because this is their holiday.

00:37:02 --> 00:37:04

Our day is to eat.

00:37:05 --> 00:37:05

I said,

00:37:06 --> 00:37:07

Can I say something?

00:37:08 --> 00:37:09

He said, Yes. I said, You know, a

00:37:09 --> 00:37:10

few years ago,

00:37:12 --> 00:37:14

my mother, a non Muslim,

00:37:15 --> 00:37:16

and her husband,

00:37:16 --> 00:37:17

my,

00:37:17 --> 00:37:18

stepfather,

00:37:19 --> 00:37:21

invited me and my family our Muslim family

00:37:21 --> 00:37:24

to come to their house for Thanksgiving dinner.

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

Rather than saying, Mom, I'm not coming,

00:37:29 --> 00:37:30

I said, Okay.

00:37:32 --> 00:37:33

I lied to my witness.

00:37:33 --> 00:37:35

I went to the halal meat market.

00:37:36 --> 00:37:37

I bought a halal turkey.

00:37:38 --> 00:37:41

I bought chicken. Halal chicken, beef.

00:37:41 --> 00:37:42

I bought rice

00:37:43 --> 00:37:44

and vegetables. And gave it to my mother.

00:37:44 --> 00:37:46

I said, Mom, cook this food.

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

She said, Son, thank you very much.

00:37:50 --> 00:37:52

We went there. I took my family. And

00:37:52 --> 00:37:53

at that time, I think I had 8

00:37:53 --> 00:37:54

children.

00:38:04 --> 00:38:06

And and we were all eating.

00:38:07 --> 00:38:09

And, you know, they saw, you know, my

00:38:09 --> 00:38:10

mother asked me to bless the table.

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

And I asked Allah to bless the table.

00:38:16 --> 00:38:16

And then,

00:38:17 --> 00:38:18

we were eating

00:38:18 --> 00:38:20

And and one of my children don't ask

00:38:20 --> 00:38:21

me which one.

00:38:22 --> 00:38:24

I think it was Mohammed. He was about

00:38:24 --> 00:38:26

5 years old. He said he said, Granny,

00:38:26 --> 00:38:27

when you gonna become

00:38:30 --> 00:38:32

When you when you and pow pow that's

00:38:32 --> 00:38:34

my my my stepfather. When you and pow

00:38:34 --> 00:38:36

pow gonna become Muslim?

00:38:37 --> 00:38:39

My mother looked at him,

00:38:40 --> 00:38:41

and

00:38:41 --> 00:38:43

you're not going to believe this. Her and

00:38:43 --> 00:38:45

my stepfather on that day said,

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

Why? Why? Why?

00:38:56 --> 00:38:57

My mother know we Muslim.

00:38:58 --> 00:39:00

She knows for years a Muslim. But my

00:39:00 --> 00:39:03

mother had an invitation to me, her son.

00:39:03 --> 00:39:06

Son, come over. Yes, mom. Of course, we'll

00:39:06 --> 00:39:09

come over. And the kindness in buying food.

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

And not only that. From that day, my

00:39:11 --> 00:39:13

mother always go to halal meat market and

00:39:13 --> 00:39:15

buy Halal meats.

00:39:15 --> 00:39:17

Because she said, this son, there's something about

00:39:17 --> 00:39:18

this meat.

00:39:19 --> 00:39:21

This Halal which is Halal meat.

00:39:23 --> 00:39:25

So it's the good treatment. The kind treatment.

00:39:26 --> 00:39:28

And brothers and sisters, I'm telling you, we,

00:39:28 --> 00:39:30

in my opinion, do more rather than say,

00:39:30 --> 00:39:32

mama, I can't come. I come you come

00:39:32 --> 00:39:33

to the Eid. I ain't coming to your

00:39:33 --> 00:39:34

holiday.

00:39:34 --> 00:39:36

And, you know, I made a mistake when

00:39:36 --> 00:39:37

I first became Muslim.

00:39:37 --> 00:39:39

Do you know, brothers and sisters, when I

00:39:39 --> 00:39:41

first became Muslim, I was I was 19

00:39:41 --> 00:39:41

years old.

00:39:42 --> 00:39:43

And I had never argued with my father

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

in my life, my stepfather. He never argued.

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

But one day, it was, a Sunday. I'd

00:39:48 --> 00:39:49

just become Muslim,

00:39:49 --> 00:39:51

and my mother's making Sunday dinner.

00:39:52 --> 00:39:53

And she was cooking ham.

00:39:53 --> 00:39:56

I said, you cooking that food, that hot

00:39:56 --> 00:39:57

food, nasty.

00:39:59 --> 00:40:01

Yeah. So but you've been eating this all

00:40:01 --> 00:40:01

your life.

00:40:02 --> 00:40:04

And so my stepfather come. Right? And then

00:40:04 --> 00:40:05

my stepfather used to be a boxer.

00:40:08 --> 00:40:10

And so he came to me. He stepped

00:40:10 --> 00:40:11

to me like

00:40:11 --> 00:40:13

so I said, what's up?

00:40:14 --> 00:40:15

Like, what you want? Like, you know.

00:40:16 --> 00:40:17

But this is the wrong attitude.

00:40:18 --> 00:40:20

The wrong attitude. So my mother eating pork.

00:40:20 --> 00:40:22

She's eating another day in her life.

00:40:23 --> 00:40:24

But when I when I learned,

00:40:25 --> 00:40:26

the attitude of being a Muslim and the

00:40:26 --> 00:40:29

right attitude and the right character that my

00:40:29 --> 00:40:31

mother and father changed. And they loved Islam.

00:40:31 --> 00:40:33

And on the job, they talk about, yeah,

00:40:33 --> 00:40:35

my son is a he's a Muslim. My

00:40:35 --> 00:40:38

son proud of their son because the character

00:40:38 --> 00:40:40

now is improving. And he's a he's a

00:40:40 --> 00:40:42

nice young man and an honorable young man.

00:40:42 --> 00:40:44

And so the best way to me, brothers

00:40:44 --> 00:40:46

sisters, to give Dawah, the most important thing

00:40:46 --> 00:40:48

that we can say here, today,

00:40:49 --> 00:40:50

is the character.

00:40:50 --> 00:40:52

And to be like Muhammad

00:40:52 --> 00:40:55

to be like him in our character, and

00:40:55 --> 00:40:57

believe me, brothers and sisters, it makes

00:40:58 --> 00:40:59

a world of difference.

00:40:59 --> 00:41:00

Now,

00:41:00 --> 00:41:02

one more point, and she'll let me

00:41:02 --> 00:41:03

be finished.

00:41:04 --> 00:41:05

There's nothing like

00:41:07 --> 00:41:09

having a

00:41:11 --> 00:41:13

right attitude about

00:41:13 --> 00:41:15

calling people to Islam.

00:41:15 --> 00:41:16

Now, brothers and sisters,

00:41:17 --> 00:41:18

a lot of people that you call to

00:41:18 --> 00:41:21

Islam are gonna, even as Sheikh Jamal said,

00:41:21 --> 00:41:23

are gonna try to antagonize you.

00:41:24 --> 00:41:26

Something happened recently, and I read about it

00:41:26 --> 00:41:27

in the newspaper, that really,

00:41:28 --> 00:41:29

got their attention.

00:41:30 --> 00:41:32

There's one of the great pitchers now. He

00:41:32 --> 00:41:33

pitches for the

00:41:34 --> 00:41:36

Boston Red Sox. What's his name?

00:41:37 --> 00:41:38

Roger Clemens.

00:41:40 --> 00:41:41

I was testing you to see if you

00:41:41 --> 00:41:42

knew him.

00:41:43 --> 00:41:45

But you know what? This man makes

00:41:46 --> 00:41:47

over $3,000,000

00:41:47 --> 00:41:48

a year in salary,

00:41:49 --> 00:41:49

pitching

00:41:50 --> 00:41:50

baseball.

00:41:51 --> 00:41:53

He was driving his,

00:41:53 --> 00:41:55

I think he had some kind of truck

00:41:55 --> 00:41:57

or van or something, to the ballpark.

00:41:58 --> 00:41:59

Look at this.

00:42:00 --> 00:42:02

He saw on the road a dog

00:42:03 --> 00:42:05

that appeared to be wounded. This happened like

00:42:05 --> 00:42:06

3 or 4 weeks ago.

00:42:06 --> 00:42:09

He got out of the van, his van,

00:42:10 --> 00:42:11

to go assist the dog.

00:42:12 --> 00:42:13

He's the man, not a Muslim.

00:42:14 --> 00:42:17

And when he tried to help the dog,

00:42:17 --> 00:42:18

apparently, maybe the dog got hit by a

00:42:18 --> 00:42:19

car or something,

00:42:20 --> 00:42:21

the dog bit him.

00:42:22 --> 00:42:24

And as a result, he mixed,

00:42:25 --> 00:42:26

mixed, missed,

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

I think, 2 pitching turns.

00:42:30 --> 00:42:31

I said, how wonderful that is. I'm gonna

00:42:31 --> 00:42:32

write him a letter.

00:42:33 --> 00:42:33

No.

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

Commending him for that.

00:42:36 --> 00:42:38

But my point, brothers and sisters, when you're

00:42:38 --> 00:42:40

giving Dawah to people, they don't understand.

00:42:41 --> 00:42:42

Many of them are wounded.

00:42:43 --> 00:42:45

And when you give them Dawah, they will

00:42:45 --> 00:42:46

lash out at you.

00:42:47 --> 00:42:49

But they don't know. They don't understand.

00:42:50 --> 00:42:52

But despite that, you must be like Mohammed

00:42:53 --> 00:42:54

Salallahu alaihi wa Salam and be patient. And

00:42:54 --> 00:42:56

even though they're trying to defeat you in

00:42:56 --> 00:42:58

argument, your idea is not to defeat them

00:42:58 --> 00:43:00

in argument, but to give them, to show

00:43:00 --> 00:43:02

them, to offer them the light of

00:43:04 --> 00:43:06

Islam. So no matter how they treat you

00:43:06 --> 00:43:08

brothers and sisters, I'm telling you, if they

00:43:08 --> 00:43:10

laugh at you, make mockery of you, you

00:43:10 --> 00:43:11

be patient with them

00:43:13 --> 00:43:17

and say, no. You misunderstand it. And be

00:43:17 --> 00:43:19

be your nice beautiful self

00:43:20 --> 00:43:21

with your beautiful smile.

00:43:22 --> 00:43:24

And no matter what they say to you,

00:43:24 --> 00:43:26

understand that they don't understand what they're doing.

00:43:26 --> 00:43:28

But you have the wisdom. You have the

00:43:28 --> 00:43:29

knowledge. You have the

00:43:30 --> 00:43:30

patience.

00:43:30 --> 00:43:31

Then use that.

00:43:32 --> 00:43:33

Then the last thing

00:43:34 --> 00:43:35

no. This is no. This is the last

00:43:35 --> 00:43:36

thing. No.

00:43:36 --> 00:43:37

No.

00:43:38 --> 00:43:39

Listen. Let me tell

00:43:39 --> 00:43:40

you.

00:43:40 --> 00:43:42

No. If you watch me,

00:43:42 --> 00:43:44

you can tell. If I close this

00:43:46 --> 00:43:48

like that, I'm finished.

00:43:51 --> 00:43:53

No, I'm finished. I'll make this last point.

00:43:53 --> 00:43:55

Brothers and sisters, you know,

00:43:55 --> 00:43:56

one of the things that we have to

00:43:56 --> 00:43:58

do as Muslims is always to reflect,

00:43:59 --> 00:44:01

to look, to study, to observe.

00:44:02 --> 00:44:02

Allah

00:44:02 --> 00:44:04

blesses us by observing.

00:44:05 --> 00:44:07

Reflection isn't Ibadah, by the way. It's a

00:44:07 --> 00:44:08

worship

00:44:08 --> 00:44:10

to sit, to think, and to reflect.

00:44:10 --> 00:44:12

You know, I used to be a member

00:44:13 --> 00:44:14

of the Nation of Islam.

00:44:15 --> 00:44:17

This movement still exists today.

00:44:18 --> 00:44:19

They're not Muslims.

00:44:20 --> 00:44:21

They believe themselves to be Muslims.

00:44:22 --> 00:44:24

Some of them are very sincere.

00:44:24 --> 00:44:26

I made a pledge. I have made a

00:44:26 --> 00:44:28

pledge that, insha'Allah, if Allah bless

00:44:29 --> 00:44:31

me, I will never stop giving Dawah to

00:44:31 --> 00:44:33

Minister Farrakhan. Never.

00:44:34 --> 00:44:35

Never until he die.

00:44:36 --> 00:44:38

I don't care what he says.

00:44:38 --> 00:44:40

I will still go to him and invite

00:44:40 --> 00:44:43

him and encourage him to come to Islam.

00:44:44 --> 00:44:45

When I go to Chicago, I call, Minister

00:44:45 --> 00:44:46

Farrakhan.

00:44:46 --> 00:44:48

I'm in Chicago. He said, come on by.

00:44:49 --> 00:44:51

Why? What am I doing? Inviting him to

00:44:51 --> 00:44:51

Islam.

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

As a result of that, he came to

00:44:53 --> 00:44:55

New York. He called me on the phone.

00:44:55 --> 00:44:57

Imam Sadaj, I'm in town.

00:44:57 --> 00:44:59

Come. Let's go for breakfast.

00:45:00 --> 00:45:01

4 hours.

00:45:01 --> 00:45:04

4 hours speaking and inviting the man to

00:45:04 --> 00:45:06

Islam. Why? Because if this man comes to

00:45:06 --> 00:45:08

Islam, the gift that he can gift that

00:45:08 --> 00:45:10

Allah has given to him, we can use

00:45:10 --> 00:45:12

it for Islam. Why did prophet Muhammad sallallahu

00:45:12 --> 00:45:14

alaihi wasallam pray for Umar ibn Khattab to

00:45:14 --> 00:45:16

come to Islam? Why did he pray for

00:45:16 --> 00:45:18

Abu Jahlil to come to Islam? There were

00:45:18 --> 00:45:21

enemies of Islam but he knew that potentially

00:45:21 --> 00:45:23

everybody is a potential Muslim.

00:45:26 --> 00:45:28

Everybody. And that must be your attitude.

00:45:29 --> 00:45:30

President Clinton

00:45:30 --> 00:45:31

IS a potential Muslim.

00:45:33 --> 00:45:34

Yes. He is.

00:45:35 --> 00:45:38

The Pope alone is a potential Muslim. Yes,

00:45:38 --> 00:45:39

he is.

00:45:40 --> 00:45:40

The rabbi.

00:45:41 --> 00:45:42

Yes, the rabbi too.

00:45:46 --> 00:45:47

My point.

00:45:48 --> 00:45:49

My point.

00:45:50 --> 00:45:52

If Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala

00:45:53 --> 00:45:54

can throw Musa

00:45:55 --> 00:45:56

and Harun

00:46:07 --> 00:46:10

You, Moses and your brother Aaron, go to

00:46:10 --> 00:46:11

Firoun.

00:46:12 --> 00:46:15

Go to Pharoah and say to him gentle

00:46:15 --> 00:46:16

words.

00:46:16 --> 00:46:17

Perhaps

00:46:17 --> 00:46:18

he would receive

00:46:18 --> 00:46:19

admonition

00:46:20 --> 00:46:21

or fear Allah.

00:46:22 --> 00:46:24

And if we got a pharaoh, who can

00:46:24 --> 00:46:25

we not go to?

00:46:27 --> 00:46:29

Everybody man is a potential Muslim. You see

00:46:29 --> 00:46:31

the drunk man in the street. You see

00:46:31 --> 00:46:33

the prostitute. You see the way you know.

00:46:33 --> 00:46:35

You see the man in the ghetto. Everybody

00:46:35 --> 00:46:37

is a potential Muslim, and you go to

00:46:37 --> 00:46:39

them. And don't you put your nose up

00:46:39 --> 00:46:40

at anybody.

00:46:40 --> 00:46:43

And because maybe that one, the one that

00:46:43 --> 00:46:44

you walked past

00:46:44 --> 00:46:47

might be another one to come to Islam.

00:46:47 --> 00:46:50

Another Faraj Wahaj to come from the gutter

00:46:51 --> 00:46:52

and to come to the fold of Islam.

00:46:52 --> 00:46:53

You don't know.

00:46:54 --> 00:46:55

And I leave you with this, brothers and

00:46:55 --> 00:46:56

sisters, the spirit

00:46:57 --> 00:46:58

of Adaiyah.

00:46:59 --> 00:47:01

Humble, yes, but firm.

00:47:02 --> 00:47:04

Knowledgeable about your religion,

00:47:05 --> 00:47:06

and strong.

00:47:07 --> 00:47:10

And I close with this. In my reflecting

00:47:10 --> 00:47:12

the nation of Islam and us as Muslims,

00:47:13 --> 00:47:15

I'm so happy and thankful to Allah that

00:47:15 --> 00:47:17

he blessed me. He saved me from shirk

00:47:18 --> 00:47:20

and brought me to Islam. I'm so thankful

00:47:20 --> 00:47:21

to Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.

00:47:22 --> 00:47:24

I look back now and I said, well

00:47:24 --> 00:47:25

what lesson can I learn from the nation

00:47:25 --> 00:47:26

of Islam?

00:47:28 --> 00:47:29

They didn't have the truth.

00:47:30 --> 00:47:32

But there's something there that if we reflect

00:47:32 --> 00:47:35

that, maybe we as Muslims can grab something

00:47:35 --> 00:47:38

from there as a sign from Allah that

00:47:38 --> 00:47:40

we can use to make ourselves better.

00:47:41 --> 00:47:42

And you know what it was that I

00:47:42 --> 00:47:43

saw?

00:47:43 --> 00:47:45

They didn't have the guidance.

00:47:46 --> 00:47:48

But there was a spirit there

00:47:49 --> 00:47:50

that they had.

00:47:51 --> 00:47:52

I wish that we would have

00:47:53 --> 00:47:54

one spirit.

00:47:55 --> 00:47:56

And that was

00:47:56 --> 00:47:57

an attitude.

00:47:58 --> 00:48:00

We must go there and get the people.

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

They used to tell us,

00:48:02 --> 00:48:05

you can't come here unless you bring somebody.

00:48:06 --> 00:48:08

We used to come there sometimes alone and

00:48:08 --> 00:48:10

they would put us out. No. You go

00:48:10 --> 00:48:12

out there, man, and get the people, and

00:48:12 --> 00:48:13

you bring them to the temple.

00:48:14 --> 00:48:16

That was a spirit of of dying. Everybody

00:48:16 --> 00:48:18

had to be a dying. You go out

00:48:18 --> 00:48:20

there and talk to your neighbor. Talk to

00:48:20 --> 00:48:22

the people in school. Talk to your coworkers.

00:48:22 --> 00:48:23

Go out there and give the people the

00:48:23 --> 00:48:25

truth, what we said. We didn't have the

00:48:25 --> 00:48:25

truth,

00:48:26 --> 00:48:28

but we invited to the people to what

00:48:28 --> 00:48:28

we had.

00:48:29 --> 00:48:30

And let me tell you about your little

00:48:30 --> 00:48:31

brother, what I did one day.

00:48:32 --> 00:48:33

I told the officials,

00:48:34 --> 00:48:35

go get me a bus.

00:48:37 --> 00:48:39

They said, what are you talking about?

00:48:40 --> 00:48:41

I said, I want a bus, man. I

00:48:41 --> 00:48:42

wanna go get the people.

00:48:43 --> 00:48:44

You heard you heard what our leader said.

00:48:44 --> 00:48:46

Our leader said, we should go get the

00:48:46 --> 00:48:49

people. Give me a bus. I said, God.

00:48:49 --> 00:48:50

So they gave me a bus.

00:48:51 --> 00:48:53

Them driving around. They said, Where are you

00:48:53 --> 00:48:54

going? Where are you going? I said, Go

00:48:54 --> 00:48:55

up this way.

00:48:55 --> 00:48:58

We driving, brothers and sisters. And I'd see

00:48:58 --> 00:48:58

a park.

00:48:59 --> 00:49:00

I said, Stop the bus.

00:49:01 --> 00:49:02

I got out of the bus. I lost

00:49:02 --> 00:49:03

my witness.

00:49:04 --> 00:49:07

I went into the middle of that crowd,

00:49:07 --> 00:49:09

and I said, look. We in trouble.

00:49:10 --> 00:49:11

We need help.

00:49:11 --> 00:49:14

Islam will help you. Get in the bus.

00:49:18 --> 00:49:19

And they got in the bus.

00:49:21 --> 00:49:23

They got in the bus, and we took

00:49:23 --> 00:49:25

them to our place of worship.

00:49:26 --> 00:49:27

What was it?

00:49:27 --> 00:49:28

Conviction.

00:49:28 --> 00:49:29

Boldness.

00:49:30 --> 00:49:32

You convinced man that Islam is right. You

00:49:32 --> 00:49:35

don't go to intimidate it. Your professor don't

00:49:35 --> 00:49:38

intimidate you. You respect the professor, but mister

00:49:38 --> 00:49:39

professor,

00:49:39 --> 00:49:40

I have something to say.

00:49:41 --> 00:49:41

Confidence,

00:49:42 --> 00:49:42

man.

00:49:43 --> 00:49:45

Boldness before Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala. Not for

00:49:45 --> 00:49:48

yourself, but boldness because Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala

00:49:48 --> 00:49:49

is there.

00:49:50 --> 00:49:51

So brothers and sisters, we would have this

00:49:51 --> 00:49:52

boldness, this brother

00:49:54 --> 00:49:56

would not come and bother me

00:49:57 --> 00:49:58

if you be bold.

00:50:01 --> 00:50:03

May Allah bless us, brothers and sisters,

00:50:04 --> 00:50:05

to get a spirit of power,

00:50:06 --> 00:50:07

and to push our communities,

00:50:08 --> 00:50:10

and learn from our brothers here that have

00:50:10 --> 00:50:12

a wealth of knowledge and experiences to give

00:50:12 --> 00:50:13

us.

00:50:14 --> 00:50:16

Please, let us get it and go from

00:50:16 --> 00:50:18

this conference and give Dawah unlike the other

00:50:18 --> 00:50:19

ones did before.

00:50:27 --> 00:50:28

Thank you,

00:50:29 --> 00:50:29

sir.

00:50:31 --> 00:50:32

By the way,

00:50:32 --> 00:50:33

you

00:50:33 --> 00:50:34

mentioned the bus,

00:50:44 --> 00:50:45

somebody asked him, how much it will take

00:50:45 --> 00:50:47

to how much I should pay? He will

00:50:47 --> 00:50:49

take me nowhere.

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

So he told him, pay whatever you wanna

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

pay, and get down here.

00:50:58 --> 00:50:59

If I have to,

00:50:59 --> 00:51:02

just maybe pick up one word from each

00:51:03 --> 00:51:04

of the speakers,

00:51:04 --> 00:51:05

said

00:51:05 --> 00:51:08

was doctor Jamal, I guess, one of the

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

best things I hear from him was to

00:51:11 --> 00:51:13

say the right thing and the right

00:51:14 --> 00:51:15

put to the right person

00:51:16 --> 00:51:17

and the right circumstances

00:51:18 --> 00:51:20

and the right way, the right manner. This

00:51:20 --> 00:51:22

is according to the teachings of Muhammad

00:51:23 --> 00:51:24

and the Quran.

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

And they had to fix something from doctor

00:51:27 --> 00:51:27

Jeffrey,

00:51:28 --> 00:51:28

because we're

00:51:29 --> 00:51:31

good at telling people what's wrong

00:51:31 --> 00:51:33

with their religion. But we're not good at

00:51:33 --> 00:51:35

telling them what's good about our religion.

00:51:36 --> 00:51:38

And I think, brother Siraj,

00:51:39 --> 00:51:41

everything is fresh in your mind, but merely

00:51:41 --> 00:51:43

the Muslim character is the main thing that

00:51:43 --> 00:51:45

we have to stick to, and to show

00:51:45 --> 00:51:47

the right example.

00:51:48 --> 00:51:51

I wish we have enough time to communicate

00:51:51 --> 00:51:53

with the speakers, but unfortunately, we don't.

00:51:54 --> 00:51:55

So in the next

00:51:55 --> 00:51:58

15 minutes or 20 minutes, we'll have discussions.

00:51:58 --> 00:51:59

So I'll start with

00:52:00 --> 00:52:02

with the audience over here, take a sister

00:52:02 --> 00:52:04

and a brother. But before I do that,

00:52:04 --> 00:52:07

before you ask a question, and before you

00:52:07 --> 00:52:08

say your comment,

00:52:08 --> 00:52:09

think

00:52:09 --> 00:52:11

how are you going to contribute to the

00:52:11 --> 00:52:12

success of this decision.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:15

If you think your comment or question is

00:52:15 --> 00:52:16

not going to contribute,

00:52:16 --> 00:52:17

please don't say it.

00:52:18 --> 00:52:19

Thank you.

00:52:37 --> 00:52:39

The same thing. I'm not going to be

00:52:39 --> 00:52:41

able to do that. I'm not going to

00:52:41 --> 00:52:43

do that. I'm not going to do that.

00:52:43 --> 00:52:43

I'm not going to do that. I'm not

00:52:43 --> 00:52:44

going to do that. I'm not going to

00:52:44 --> 00:52:45

do that. I'm not going to do that.

00:52:45 --> 00:52:47

With all these things that I'm doing,

00:52:48 --> 00:52:50

is there's no way for me to go

00:52:50 --> 00:52:52

to heaven because I do not believe in

00:52:52 --> 00:52:54

Christ. I've made it. Son of God. He

00:52:54 --> 00:52:55

tells me

00:52:56 --> 00:52:57

specifically that

00:52:57 --> 00:52:59

Christ said that if you do not believe

00:52:59 --> 00:53:00

in him,

00:53:00 --> 00:53:03

that you cannot go to heaven. What type

00:53:03 --> 00:53:03

of anti

00:53:03 --> 00:53:04

gun is a

00:53:05 --> 00:53:06

gift

00:53:06 --> 00:53:07

to

00:53:08 --> 00:53:08

him?

00:53:09 --> 00:53:10

I don't I don't

00:53:11 --> 00:53:11

know.

00:53:12 --> 00:53:14

Honestly, I I don't know.

00:53:15 --> 00:53:15

I think

00:53:16 --> 00:53:17

as Muslims,

00:53:18 --> 00:53:19

I think we always feel we have to

00:53:19 --> 00:53:20

have an answer

00:53:22 --> 00:53:23

when when somebody

00:53:23 --> 00:53:26

presents their particular religious view to us. We

00:53:26 --> 00:53:27

have to be able to refute it.

00:53:28 --> 00:53:30

And so in that circumstance I think the

00:53:30 --> 00:53:32

typical Muslim would say, that doesn't make sense

00:53:32 --> 00:53:33

to me.

00:53:33 --> 00:53:36

How can Christ take on my sins and

00:53:36 --> 00:53:38

get into long debates and arguments over the

00:53:38 --> 00:53:40

nature of Jesus, the role of Jesus and

00:53:40 --> 00:53:41

why would God do this and why would

00:53:41 --> 00:53:42

God do that?

00:53:43 --> 00:53:45

Frankly, I mean, just as from my personality

00:53:46 --> 00:53:48

perspective, my own personality, And

00:53:55 --> 00:53:57

I usually tell him, well, I don't believe

00:53:57 --> 00:53:57

this.

00:53:58 --> 00:54:00

And I usually tell him, well, I don't

00:54:00 --> 00:54:03

believe this that and this is what I

00:54:03 --> 00:54:03

believe.

00:54:05 --> 00:54:07

You know, to get into a debate going

00:54:07 --> 00:54:07

back and forth

00:54:08 --> 00:54:09

could just go on and on and on.

00:54:09 --> 00:54:11

You start attacking his point of view, he

00:54:11 --> 00:54:12

feels defensive.

00:54:12 --> 00:54:14

I really don't feel that goes

00:54:15 --> 00:54:17

very far. And as Doctor. Bedawi said earlier,

00:54:17 --> 00:54:19

debates are probably the least productive way.

00:54:20 --> 00:54:22

The point I'm trying to make is simply

00:54:22 --> 00:54:23

this,

00:54:24 --> 00:54:26

As brother Hamid said, one of my major

00:54:26 --> 00:54:27

themes is we Muslims are very good at

00:54:27 --> 00:54:29

telling other people what they do wrong. We're

00:54:29 --> 00:54:32

not very good at presenting what we do

00:54:32 --> 00:54:32

right.

00:54:33 --> 00:54:35

I would say that we should,

00:54:35 --> 00:54:39

in general, in circumstances like that and in

00:54:39 --> 00:54:41

general circumstances, when we speak to an audience,

00:54:41 --> 00:54:43

tell the people about Islam.

00:54:44 --> 00:54:46

The gentleman just shared his point of view

00:54:46 --> 00:54:46

with

00:54:47 --> 00:54:49

you. Take the opportunity to share yours. No,

00:54:49 --> 00:54:50

I don't believe this.

00:54:50 --> 00:54:51

I believe

00:54:52 --> 00:54:54

that the purpose of life is this.

00:54:54 --> 00:54:56

I believe that God works like this. I

00:54:56 --> 00:54:57

believe

00:54:58 --> 00:54:59

our relationship to God is this.

00:55:00 --> 00:55:01

Present your

00:55:01 --> 00:55:03

point of view on that issue rather than

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

it have to defend or attack

00:55:05 --> 00:55:07

his. You see what I mean? That way

00:55:07 --> 00:55:09

at least he comes to appreciate a different

00:55:09 --> 00:55:11

point of view. I, brother Hamid says, say

00:55:11 --> 00:55:13

this to you because I always say this.

00:55:14 --> 00:55:15

I said that it's like,

00:55:16 --> 00:55:18

the famous analogy is of the diamond and

00:55:18 --> 00:55:19

the rock analogy.

00:55:20 --> 00:55:23

I see Muslims like this. A fellow over

00:55:23 --> 00:55:24

here is holding a rock

00:55:25 --> 00:55:27

and we're dead set on getting him to

00:55:27 --> 00:55:29

let go of that rock and to take

00:55:29 --> 00:55:31

this diamond that we believe we have. And

00:55:31 --> 00:55:34

how do we proceed? We begin by telling

00:55:34 --> 00:55:36

him that for generations his family has held

00:55:36 --> 00:55:39

this rock and it's worthless and it's ugly

00:55:39 --> 00:55:42

and it's dirty and it makes no sense.

00:55:43 --> 00:55:45

And meanwhile, we're holding the diamond behind our

00:55:45 --> 00:55:45

back.

00:55:46 --> 00:55:48

And if anything, that human being is likely

00:55:48 --> 00:55:50

to hold on to it all the more

00:55:50 --> 00:55:51

and tell you, well, you know, what do

00:55:51 --> 00:55:53

you got? What do you right do you

00:55:53 --> 00:55:54

have to tell me to criticize me, to

00:55:54 --> 00:55:55

attack me?

00:55:56 --> 00:55:58

A much more profitable method is to take

00:55:58 --> 00:56:01

the message of Islam directly. You don't have

00:56:01 --> 00:56:03

to answer every charge and every objection.

00:56:03 --> 00:56:06

Just tell them about Islam. Hold the diamond

00:56:06 --> 00:56:06

in the sky.

00:56:07 --> 00:56:09

Hold it up like this. I think many

00:56:09 --> 00:56:12

people when they see the diamond and you

00:56:12 --> 00:56:13

start talking about the diamond

00:56:14 --> 00:56:15

many people would just

00:56:15 --> 00:56:17

forget about this rock they had and say

00:56:17 --> 00:56:19

to you, where could I get that diamond?

00:56:20 --> 00:56:21

But I think that's not the strategy we've

00:56:21 --> 00:56:22

been taking.

00:56:22 --> 00:56:23

But,

00:56:23 --> 00:56:26

I hope that sort of answers your question.

00:56:33 --> 00:56:36

Actually, I just have a question for mister

00:56:36 --> 00:56:36

Badawi.

00:56:39 --> 00:56:41

This one. Okay. Come here.

00:56:45 --> 00:56:46

And what I wanted to ask is,

00:56:47 --> 00:56:47

right now,

00:56:48 --> 00:56:49

I am part of a class that we

00:56:49 --> 00:56:50

have developed

00:56:51 --> 00:56:51

teaching

00:56:51 --> 00:56:54

basically American non Muslim women

00:56:55 --> 00:56:57

about Islam, who are interested in Islam. One

00:56:57 --> 00:56:59

of the problems that we've had is many

00:56:59 --> 00:57:00

of them are married to men who are

00:57:00 --> 00:57:01

Muslims. However,

00:57:02 --> 00:57:04

they don't happen to be very good examples

00:57:04 --> 00:57:05

of Islam.

00:57:05 --> 00:57:06

We find that,

00:57:07 --> 00:57:09

we'll teach them something

00:57:09 --> 00:57:13

and, we have chronic lessons also, hadith and

00:57:13 --> 00:57:14

Islamic teaching and they'll go home and

00:57:15 --> 00:57:17

share with their husband what they've learned. And

00:57:17 --> 00:57:18

then many times, the husband will,

00:57:19 --> 00:57:20

tell them, oh, that's that's not how it

00:57:20 --> 00:57:23

is because the husband actually himself is doing

00:57:23 --> 00:57:23

things that

00:57:24 --> 00:57:26

are not allowed or prohibited in Islam.

00:57:26 --> 00:57:28

And, I wonder what you think the best

00:57:28 --> 00:57:29

way of going about

00:57:31 --> 00:57:33

presenting this to the people without offending their

00:57:33 --> 00:57:35

husbands or making them take them away from

00:57:35 --> 00:57:37

Islam. Because we've had one,

00:57:37 --> 00:57:40

sister who was, very interested in becoming Muslim

00:57:40 --> 00:57:42

and her husband prevented her from coming back

00:57:42 --> 00:57:45

and said we were fanatics and just because

00:57:45 --> 00:57:46

we were presenting the true Islam and not

00:57:46 --> 00:57:47

the

00:57:48 --> 00:57:50

distorted version of Islam. I wondered if you

00:57:50 --> 00:57:52

had any, comments or

00:57:54 --> 00:57:56

It it looks like there are three basic

00:57:56 --> 00:57:59

reasons why the, those husbands take this attitude.

00:58:00 --> 00:58:00

1, of course,

00:58:02 --> 00:58:04

is the common feeling that you find among

00:58:04 --> 00:58:06

some that I am a born Muslim, but

00:58:06 --> 00:58:08

you just accepted Islam, so I should know

00:58:08 --> 00:58:10

better than you do, which could be the

00:58:10 --> 00:58:10

opposite.

00:58:11 --> 00:58:12

Number 2, because he's a man, she's a

00:58:12 --> 00:58:13

woman,

00:58:14 --> 00:58:15

and men are supposed to know better than

00:58:15 --> 00:58:16

women.

00:58:18 --> 00:58:20

I'm describing, not approving.

00:58:22 --> 00:58:24

The third thing I mean, it didn't reflect

00:58:24 --> 00:58:27

this chauvinistic type of thinking sometimes, that how

00:58:27 --> 00:58:29

could I get an advice from a woman,

00:58:29 --> 00:58:29

you know?

00:58:30 --> 00:58:33

The third aspect, it appears, is that, we

00:58:33 --> 00:58:34

try to make our,

00:58:34 --> 00:58:36

make religion in our own image. You know,

00:58:37 --> 00:58:39

religion is what I'm doing. So a sort

00:58:39 --> 00:58:42

of common attitude of avoidance of the truth,

00:58:42 --> 00:58:42

because

00:58:43 --> 00:58:45

I cannot stand and say I am wrong

00:58:45 --> 00:58:46

and dead.

00:58:46 --> 00:58:48

As to what to do based on that

00:58:48 --> 00:58:50

possible diagnosis,

00:58:51 --> 00:58:51

1, we

00:58:52 --> 00:58:53

have to understand that,

00:58:53 --> 00:58:54

it requires

00:58:55 --> 00:58:57

some degree of patience, things wouldn't happen overnight,

00:58:58 --> 00:59:00

And that's why Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala chose

00:59:00 --> 00:59:00

for Dawah

00:59:01 --> 00:59:02

the most resolved

00:59:03 --> 00:59:03

resolute

00:59:04 --> 00:59:05

of his creatures, the prophets.

00:59:06 --> 00:59:08

So, the sister can act also in the

00:59:08 --> 00:59:10

manner of the prophets by being patient,

00:59:11 --> 00:59:12

not to lose her temper,

00:59:13 --> 00:59:15

still show affection, because maybe show affection and

00:59:15 --> 00:59:16

good relationship,

00:59:17 --> 00:59:18

the husband might reconsider.

00:59:19 --> 00:59:22

Sometimes the indirect approach might be better that,

00:59:22 --> 00:59:24

hey, you're wrong in this. But, you know,

00:59:24 --> 00:59:26

even appearing in the form of asking a

00:59:26 --> 00:59:28

question, even though you know the answer, you

00:59:28 --> 00:59:29

know, honey,

00:59:29 --> 00:59:31

I encountered this problem. What do you think

00:59:31 --> 00:59:32

of that? I read that, Hadis. Could you

00:59:32 --> 00:59:35

explain it to me? Maybe he might have

00:59:35 --> 00:59:36

some second thought about how to say it.

00:59:36 --> 00:59:38

But it requires some patience and tact.

00:59:42 --> 00:59:43

Brother was,

00:59:44 --> 00:59:46

unfortunately, we can't cover all of these.

00:59:47 --> 00:59:48

Go ahead.

00:59:51 --> 00:59:52

I'd like to,

00:59:53 --> 00:59:56

assume appreciation from one of our speakers, Abundail.

00:59:56 --> 00:59:58

They have given us an excellent

00:59:58 --> 01:00:01

idea about what we should do to help

01:00:01 --> 01:00:02

the Christians understand Islam.

01:00:03 --> 01:00:05

No doubt. However, I'd like to ask them

01:00:05 --> 01:00:06

one question

01:00:06 --> 01:00:09

that, we have to also understand the similar,

01:00:10 --> 01:00:11

well arranged

01:00:11 --> 01:00:12

scheme

01:00:12 --> 01:00:15

is being done by the Christians for more

01:00:15 --> 01:00:16

than 100 years,

01:00:16 --> 01:00:20

and are we familiar with that? Like example,

01:00:20 --> 01:00:22

have you been in touch with the sim

01:00:22 --> 01:00:23

international activities,

01:00:23 --> 01:00:24

sim now magazine?

01:00:25 --> 01:00:27

How many of you do understand or you

01:00:27 --> 01:00:29

are aware of this article

01:00:30 --> 01:00:31

which they have shown for Pakistan

01:00:32 --> 01:00:33

where they are claiming

01:00:34 --> 01:00:35

that

01:00:35 --> 01:00:37

when they went there, there was not a

01:00:37 --> 01:00:38

single Muslim convert

01:00:39 --> 01:00:40

in the Christianity.

01:00:40 --> 01:00:42

And you can see this.

01:00:43 --> 01:00:45

Okay. And, if you don't mind, I'll read

01:00:45 --> 01:00:45

that.

01:00:46 --> 01:00:48

I went overseas with the idea of training

01:00:48 --> 01:00:49

and discipling Christians.

01:00:50 --> 01:00:50

He remembers.

01:00:51 --> 01:00:53

When I got there, I found some converts,

01:00:54 --> 01:00:56

but none of from a Muslim background.

01:00:56 --> 01:00:58

So my first thumb was to spend evangelizing

01:00:59 --> 01:01:02

and discovering how to communicate with Muslims. Today,

01:01:02 --> 01:01:03

there are about

01:01:03 --> 01:01:06

500 believers in almost 20 groups that have

01:01:06 --> 01:01:08

grown out of the work. Larry and his

01:01:08 --> 01:01:10

wife, Jill, are a part of it.

01:01:10 --> 01:01:12

What is happening, sir, that they are on

01:01:12 --> 01:01:14

the front, but on the back of it,

01:01:14 --> 01:01:17

what is happening is that our innocent children

01:01:17 --> 01:01:18

are being victimized

01:01:18 --> 01:01:20

and going away from the home and becoming

01:01:20 --> 01:01:22

Christians. I've got one good example. I won't

01:01:22 --> 01:01:24

say the name victimites are left up. So

01:01:24 --> 01:01:24

recently,

01:01:25 --> 01:01:27

I got a letter explaining that I am

01:01:27 --> 01:01:29

now a child of Christ, I'm no woman,

01:01:29 --> 01:01:32

with, the with the Muslim.

01:01:32 --> 01:01:34

So I want to speak to our people.

01:01:34 --> 01:01:35

And here last point I'll tell you, we're

01:01:35 --> 01:01:37

not gonna read any more. Just tell me

01:01:37 --> 01:01:39

what's the point. Okay. I'll help you. I'll

01:01:39 --> 01:01:40

help you. I just want to help you.

01:01:40 --> 01:01:41

Okay.

01:01:42 --> 01:01:44

With all the formidable strength of the Islamic

01:01:44 --> 01:01:46

world, are Muslims coming to Christ?

01:01:47 --> 01:01:49

Their answer is, yes, they cracked wall of

01:01:49 --> 01:01:49

slum.

01:01:50 --> 01:01:52

Oh, by all means, they are. Significant

01:01:52 --> 01:01:55

exciting things are happening in some countries. There

01:01:55 --> 01:01:56

are churches that are made up of entire

01:01:57 --> 01:01:59

Okay. Let's let me ask you. What's the

01:01:59 --> 01:02:01

point? So the point now is that we

01:02:01 --> 01:02:04

should are they too far? What Christians are

01:02:04 --> 01:02:06

doing? I can't turn back out.

01:02:06 --> 01:02:08

Right? And we and the front to take

01:02:08 --> 01:02:10

our to when we are done.

01:02:29 --> 01:02:31

Everybody knows him. Insha'Allah, let them talk to

01:02:31 --> 01:02:32

you. Thank you because we're running out of

01:02:32 --> 01:02:34

time. The telephone number. Thank you. We'll we'll

01:02:34 --> 01:02:35

we'll take it.

01:02:36 --> 01:02:37

Okay. Thank you, brother.

01:02:38 --> 01:02:38

Thank

01:02:39 --> 01:02:40

you. Please.

01:02:43 --> 01:02:44

Assalamu alaikum.

01:02:45 --> 01:02:47

I wanted to ask the brothers,

01:02:48 --> 01:02:49

we live in a small town. We have

01:02:49 --> 01:02:52

a lot of Christian a Christian community and

01:02:52 --> 01:02:52

non Muslims,

01:02:53 --> 01:02:55

Jews and others. And a lot of them

01:02:55 --> 01:02:57

are very fascinated with Islam. But how do

01:02:57 --> 01:03:00

we pass the question? Like, Pradad Surat, Imam

01:03:00 --> 01:03:03

Surat Fahad said that, his son asked his

01:03:03 --> 01:03:05

mother after me and

01:03:05 --> 01:03:06

became

01:03:07 --> 01:03:09

But how do we, when do we know

01:03:09 --> 01:03:12

it's the right time to ask them without

01:03:12 --> 01:03:14

offending them and turning them away? And one

01:03:14 --> 01:03:16

more thing is, if they ask for a

01:03:16 --> 01:03:17

copy of Quran,

01:03:18 --> 01:03:20

should we give it to them? And if

01:03:20 --> 01:03:22

they want to come to Masjid, is it

01:03:22 --> 01:03:24

allowed to have them come to Masjid? Because

01:03:24 --> 01:03:25

we have sometimes

01:03:25 --> 01:03:27

some Muslim brothers and sisters who turn them

01:03:27 --> 01:03:28

away, unfortunately,

01:03:29 --> 01:03:31

by being saying something to them. And all

01:03:31 --> 01:03:34

this that you have built up, everything goes

01:03:34 --> 01:03:34

wasted.

01:03:34 --> 01:03:36

If you could elaborate that, I'll really appreciate.

01:03:38 --> 01:03:38

Thank you,

01:03:43 --> 01:03:45

Okay. Well, very briefly. As far as giving

01:03:45 --> 01:03:47

a copy of the Quran, I have absolutely

01:03:47 --> 01:03:49

no problem with that. Again, in my little

01:03:49 --> 01:03:51

booklet on tahara, I explained some aspect about

01:03:51 --> 01:03:53

the translations of the Quran. I have no

01:03:53 --> 01:03:55

problem for the purpose of dawah. But of

01:03:55 --> 01:03:56

course, it would be nice to bring to

01:03:56 --> 01:03:58

their attention that they should treat it with

01:03:58 --> 01:03:58

respect.

01:03:59 --> 01:04:02

Secondly, should they be allowed in the masjid?

01:04:02 --> 01:04:04

We cannot be more Muslim than Muhammad who

01:04:05 --> 01:04:07

received the deputation of christians of najuran in

01:04:07 --> 01:04:10

his masjid and welcome them and try to

01:04:10 --> 01:04:11

serve them with himself.

01:04:11 --> 01:04:13

I don't know where some people in some

01:04:13 --> 01:04:15

places get so uptight. I'm not saying your

01:04:15 --> 01:04:16

area get so uptight about the mushriks and

01:04:16 --> 01:04:18

the kafirs come to the mush. How could

01:04:18 --> 01:04:20

they know? Unless they come and sometimes sit

01:04:20 --> 01:04:22

down and watch. We don't have to tell

01:04:22 --> 01:04:23

them you have to pray with us. Say,

01:04:23 --> 01:04:25

you don't have to. You can sit and

01:04:25 --> 01:04:28

watch. There's no problem with that. About the,

01:04:28 --> 01:04:31

the time to invite, that's a difficult question

01:04:31 --> 01:04:33

because if you make the wrong timing,

01:04:34 --> 01:04:35

a person would be turned off because it

01:04:35 --> 01:04:37

becomes a very sort of direct, pushy type

01:04:37 --> 01:04:40

of thing. But sometimes, you might feel that

01:04:40 --> 01:04:42

the person has learned enough that somehow you

01:04:42 --> 01:04:43

feel there is some hesitation.

01:04:44 --> 01:04:45

And if you feel at that time that

01:04:45 --> 01:04:46

a direct

01:04:46 --> 01:04:47

invitation

01:04:47 --> 01:04:49

might be appropriate, by all means, one has

01:04:49 --> 01:04:50

to judge the situation.

01:04:51 --> 01:04:51

I

01:04:52 --> 01:04:53

was just going to say you don't have

01:04:53 --> 01:04:54

to give a direct

01:04:55 --> 01:04:58

invitation. It sometimes helps just to say, you

01:04:58 --> 01:04:59

you know, I noticed you're quite curious.

01:05:00 --> 01:05:02

I'm I'm just curious.

01:05:02 --> 01:05:04

Are are is this just are you just

01:05:04 --> 01:05:06

wanting this information for information or are you

01:05:06 --> 01:05:07

actually thinking of becoming a Muslim?

01:05:08 --> 01:05:09

You know, in a way that doesn't really

01:05:09 --> 01:05:11

put them on the spot where they like

01:05:11 --> 01:05:12

you're saying, make a decision.

01:05:13 --> 01:05:15

You know? But just I'm curious, you know.

01:05:16 --> 01:05:17

Sometimes that helps.

01:05:17 --> 01:05:20

Honestly, 2 two quick, quick points.

01:05:33 --> 01:05:34

Basically, the sis is asking the question. Should

01:05:34 --> 01:05:36

we give the Quran right away? And so

01:05:37 --> 01:05:38

or should we just give them Islamic focus

01:05:38 --> 01:05:40

or some kind of other material? I'm gonna

01:05:40 --> 01:05:41

give the,

01:05:41 --> 01:05:43

mic back to Sheikh Jamal in a moment.

01:05:43 --> 01:05:44

I wanna combine

01:05:45 --> 01:05:46

the point that you made, the question that

01:05:46 --> 01:05:47

you made, and sister,

01:05:48 --> 01:05:48

your your point.

01:05:49 --> 01:05:50

1 of the one of the great ways

01:05:51 --> 01:05:52

when when Christians

01:05:53 --> 01:05:54

attack us,

01:05:55 --> 01:05:56

especially with Jesus,

01:05:57 --> 01:05:58

is to disarm them.

01:05:59 --> 01:06:03

You cannot disarm a Christian better than say,

01:06:03 --> 01:06:04

We love Jesus.

01:06:06 --> 01:06:07

We cannot be Muslim

01:06:08 --> 01:06:09

unless we believe in Jesus.

01:06:10 --> 01:06:12

Prophet Jesus will come back.

01:06:13 --> 01:06:15

When you say that, my experience is

01:06:17 --> 01:06:20

they're disarmed because they expected you to find

01:06:20 --> 01:06:21

it. When they said, with Jesus, you gotta

01:06:21 --> 01:06:23

believe in Jesus. You gotta accept Jesus. He

01:06:23 --> 01:06:25

said, yes. You gotta accept Jesus. Let me

01:06:25 --> 01:06:26

tell you what Muslims believe about Jesus. Jesus

01:06:26 --> 01:06:28

is one of the greatest prophets ever. Jesus

01:06:28 --> 01:06:31

is what? We love Jesus. Jesus was born

01:06:31 --> 01:06:32

from a virgin mother.

01:06:33 --> 01:06:34

You disarm them totally.

01:06:35 --> 01:06:37

In terms of when to ask the question,

01:06:37 --> 01:06:39

you gotta be sensitive. See, my son,

01:06:40 --> 01:06:41

5 years old. He can say, when you

01:06:41 --> 01:06:42

gonna become Muslim?

01:06:42 --> 01:06:43

But I was with some brothers and we

01:06:43 --> 01:06:44

were with some some,

01:06:45 --> 01:06:46

some politicians.

01:06:47 --> 01:06:48

Governmental people.

01:06:50 --> 01:06:52

I couldn't believe what the brother was saying.

01:06:52 --> 01:06:53

Well, you gotta be Muslim.

01:06:53 --> 01:06:56

You gotta be Muslim. He don't be Muslim,

01:06:56 --> 01:06:57

he won't go to *.

01:06:59 --> 01:07:00

Well, it's not the right time.

01:07:01 --> 01:07:03

You see, you gotta be very sensitive to

01:07:03 --> 01:07:05

who you're talking to. As you're talking to

01:07:05 --> 01:07:07

people, believe me, you get a sense

01:07:08 --> 01:07:10

of them. You get a sense to even

01:07:10 --> 01:07:12

when to invite them to the Masjid.

01:07:12 --> 01:07:13

You know? And I got I got a

01:07:14 --> 01:07:15

me and you had a conversation last week

01:07:15 --> 01:07:17

and we were talking about something. I got

01:07:17 --> 01:07:19

a book for you I wanna give to

01:07:19 --> 01:07:19

you.

01:07:20 --> 01:07:21

Right? So it's always in the flow of

01:07:21 --> 01:07:23

the conversation. It's just not out of left

01:07:23 --> 01:07:26

field. It's in the flow of the conversation.

01:07:26 --> 01:07:28

We're talking about abortion. As you know, that,

01:07:28 --> 01:07:30

Muslims have a view about abortion, and when

01:07:30 --> 01:07:31

you get to a point when a person

01:07:31 --> 01:07:34

has discussed so much about Islam, you might

01:07:34 --> 01:07:35

wanna just say, you know,

01:07:36 --> 01:07:39

I'm going to the masjid on Friday 1

01:07:39 --> 01:07:40

o'clock what you doing you think you'd like

01:07:40 --> 01:07:41

to come

01:07:42 --> 01:07:42

like that

01:07:43 --> 01:07:45

Also, by the way, in in in Shubhana

01:07:45 --> 01:07:47

Allah and I thank Allah for this. I

01:07:47 --> 01:07:49

was in, recently in Birmingham,

01:07:50 --> 01:07:51

England.

01:07:52 --> 01:07:53

A sister came to me. She was very

01:07:53 --> 01:07:55

shy. You can see, after after the

01:07:55 --> 01:07:56

the,

01:07:56 --> 01:07:57

speaking

01:07:57 --> 01:07:59

in the lecture, she was standing to the

01:07:59 --> 01:08:00

side like she was very shy, like she

01:08:00 --> 01:08:01

wanted to ask me a question.

01:08:02 --> 01:08:04

And she got a brother to say, Could

01:08:04 --> 01:08:05

I say something?

01:08:05 --> 01:08:07

We went to the sister. She said, Imam,

01:08:08 --> 01:08:10

we have gotten some, some tapes that you've

01:08:10 --> 01:08:11

done,

01:08:11 --> 01:08:14

and, and played it for non Muslims.

01:08:15 --> 01:08:16

15

01:08:16 --> 01:08:19

non Muslims became Muslims as a result of

01:08:19 --> 01:08:20

listening to the tapes.

01:08:21 --> 01:08:22

Why do I say that?

01:08:23 --> 01:08:25

Sometimes, brothers and sisters, when a person just

01:08:25 --> 01:08:27

listens and there's no chance for debate,

01:08:28 --> 01:08:30

they're not going to argue with the tape.

01:08:30 --> 01:08:32

They're going to listen or watch the tape

01:08:32 --> 01:08:34

and learn something from it. Sheikh Jamaal, by

01:08:34 --> 01:08:36

the way, has, some some tapes.

01:08:37 --> 01:08:39

Brothers and sisters, Islam was Islam in

01:08:39 --> 01:08:40

in Fowkes.

01:08:41 --> 01:08:41

There are

01:08:42 --> 01:08:43

you'd be shocked

01:08:44 --> 01:08:46

how many people get the seed of Islam

01:08:46 --> 01:08:48

listening to all those kinds of tapes. So

01:08:48 --> 01:08:50

you might want to to do that, inshaAllah.

01:08:50 --> 01:08:50

But the but the but the but the

01:08:50 --> 01:08:50

but the but the but the but the

01:08:50 --> 01:08:51

but the but the the

01:08:52 --> 01:08:54

last point point that the system made. [SPEAKER

01:08:54 --> 01:08:56

UNIDENTIFIED COMPANY REPRESENTATIVE:] I would like to

01:08:56 --> 01:08:57

just to remind the speakers that we also

01:08:57 --> 01:08:58

would

01:08:58 --> 01:08:59

like

01:09:04 --> 01:09:06

to make quick comments so that we ask,

01:09:06 --> 01:09:07

2 more questions.

01:09:08 --> 01:09:11

About giving, what you give first, it depends

01:09:11 --> 01:09:12

on the circumstances.

01:09:12 --> 01:09:13

For example,

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there might be a Muslim Christian dialogue, and

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somebody come explicitly asking for the Quran because

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he's so impressed with some of the ayaat

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in the Quran. Good. That way he would

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read on his own, and a lot of

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people come become Muslim just by reading the

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translation even in the Quran.

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If you're making dawah to the public, and

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a lot of people just coming superficially to

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a table, and they want to pick something,

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maybe a small booklet, islammatic lands, bridge building

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between Muslim and Christian. Small things like that

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might be a good beginning to say, if

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he's interested, he or she comes back. Because

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we don't have infinite numbers of copies of

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the Quran to distribute. So, one has to

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assess the situation

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again. Make sure,

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brother brother Amir Ali, with Amir,

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Yeah. Make sure you go and pick up

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these little

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Islam on a glance, but Amir Ali will

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lie to me one of the best in

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the world.

01:10:01 --> 01:10:04

Very, very in New York City, everybody knows

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about that. So you have enough to give

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to the people. Please go into the bazaar

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area, and brother, Amey Ali has a table

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of dawah. And pick up that literature free

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of charge, inshaAllah.

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Sorry, for everybody. I just have to pick

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up somebody randomly, so

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I have one question

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for the,

01:10:25 --> 01:10:25

for the professor,

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and that is that I happen to be

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dealing

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with

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some very highly educated

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professionals who are atheist at this time.

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And as you mentioned, I'm unable to connect

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and I miss out a time with an

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opportunity I get.

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And one thing I want to ask is

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maybe you can help me.

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An atheist, when he is thinking he doesn't

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believe in God, does he still have some

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concept of a power beyond his control, power

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of nature, or whatever? Does he have some

01:10:56 --> 01:10:59

kind of a thinking about it? Or doesn't

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he have no concept of a power or

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a superpower? I still have one more comment

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for Jamal Badri

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the question was

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how do you connect with an atheist,

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especially if they're highly educated?

01:11:19 --> 01:11:20

Most be most of my colleagues at the

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University of Kansas and most of my colleagues

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in America are are atheists or agnostics.

01:11:26 --> 01:11:27

So I deal, I think, with a very

01:11:27 --> 01:11:30

different crowd than doctor Bedouei or Suraj Vahej

01:11:30 --> 01:11:32

deals with. And the approaches have to be

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different, as they said, according to the people

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you're dealing with. An atheist really doesn't respond

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to a very aggressive approach.

01:11:39 --> 01:11:40

If he gets even a hint

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that you're trying

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to lead him or sneak him through the

01:11:45 --> 01:11:47

backdoor into his religion, He'll resent that even

01:11:47 --> 01:11:49

more than if you take a direct approach

01:11:49 --> 01:11:50

and say, look, I'm trying to convert you.

01:11:50 --> 01:11:51

I wanna convert you here so

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he'll fight you on that regard, but if

01:11:54 --> 01:11:55

you try to trick him,

01:11:56 --> 01:11:57

he'll resent you all the more and you'll

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he'll do he'll just shut the door on.

01:12:00 --> 01:12:02

Some the other question and it relates to

01:12:02 --> 01:12:05

this is do atheists sometimes feel that there

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may be a god, essentially?

01:12:07 --> 01:12:09

And there was a saying that they used

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to say a lot in, World War 2

01:12:10 --> 01:12:12

that there's no atheist in fox

01:12:13 --> 01:12:13

holes.

01:12:14 --> 01:12:17

To some degree, that's true. I believe that

01:12:17 --> 01:12:19

atheists every now and then, just as most

01:12:19 --> 01:12:21

religious people now and then entertain a doubt

01:12:21 --> 01:12:22

about

01:12:23 --> 01:12:24

their beliefs,

01:12:25 --> 01:12:28

atheists will, at one time or another, entertain

01:12:28 --> 01:12:30

a doubt about their positions. I remember when

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I was an atheist and I get through

01:12:32 --> 01:12:35

arguing with somebody, Christian or a Jewish person

01:12:35 --> 01:12:36

or a Muslim

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for 20 or 30 minutes. I mean, the

01:12:38 --> 01:12:40

discussion. I'd walk away and think,

01:12:40 --> 01:12:42

well, what if they were right?

01:12:42 --> 01:12:44

I mean, really, what if they are right?

01:12:44 --> 01:12:46

What am I risking?

01:12:46 --> 01:12:50

And sometimes that would make me study religions

01:12:50 --> 01:12:51

all the more.

01:12:51 --> 01:12:54

Psychologically, I felt I wanted to convince myself,

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make sure I was right.

01:12:56 --> 01:12:58

And generally, when I spoke to people and

01:12:58 --> 01:13:00

read about the religion, it confirmed my position.

01:13:01 --> 01:13:03

It was only the Quran that suddenly shocked

01:13:03 --> 01:13:06

me. But, you know, how did I what

01:13:06 --> 01:13:08

kind of atheist I was? I was a

01:13:08 --> 01:13:12

searching atheist. The type that asks people question.

01:13:12 --> 01:13:14

And he's comfortable as long as he's doing

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the asking.

01:13:16 --> 01:13:18

But, I'll be frank with you. Many times,

01:13:18 --> 01:13:19

I would ask somebody a question and then

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somebody would say, this is my opportunity.

01:13:22 --> 01:13:24

And next thing I know, I was his

01:13:24 --> 01:13:25

Dawah or missionary project.

01:13:27 --> 01:13:30

No. Thank you. Thank you, but no. Thank

01:13:30 --> 01:13:31

you. You know, then that was the end

01:13:31 --> 01:13:31

of

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it. Sorry. I'll have to take the sister

01:13:34 --> 01:13:35

over here and,

01:13:36 --> 01:13:38

she's been standing for a long time.

01:13:40 --> 01:13:41

Assalamu Alaikum.

01:13:43 --> 01:13:45

I have some comments to make. I think

01:13:45 --> 01:13:47

the best way to make dawah is through

01:13:47 --> 01:13:48

our behavior

01:13:48 --> 01:13:50

whether it's in the workforce or in public

01:13:51 --> 01:13:52

because sometimes you see,

01:13:53 --> 01:13:55

like, the Muslim children, they're running around crazy.

01:13:55 --> 01:13:58

And as a convert, before I convert I

01:13:58 --> 01:14:00

look at, oh, look at those Arab children.

01:14:00 --> 01:14:02

You know, they're wild. They're not behaved.

01:14:03 --> 01:14:05

So I think the best way is through

01:14:05 --> 01:14:07

our behavior whether we're in the workforce or

01:14:07 --> 01:14:09

in the mall or anywhere is through our

01:14:09 --> 01:14:10

behavior to behave and,

01:14:11 --> 01:14:14

whether it's ourselves or our children. I think

01:14:14 --> 01:14:16

that's the best way also because if they

01:14:16 --> 01:14:17

see us

01:14:17 --> 01:14:19

as behaved and well mannered,

01:14:20 --> 01:14:21

they could become

01:14:21 --> 01:14:24

interested in Islam just for that reason. I

01:14:27 --> 01:14:29

sorry, we have to conclude the session, so

01:14:29 --> 01:14:31

I apologize for everybody.

01:14:31 --> 01:14:34

I'll just give the chance for the speakers

01:14:34 --> 01:14:35

to conclude,

01:14:36 --> 01:14:38

and then we'll end the session. I understand

01:14:38 --> 01:14:39

there is a need for these things,

01:14:39 --> 01:14:42

and that makes us, in the planning process

01:14:42 --> 01:14:44

of making something insha'Allah

01:14:44 --> 01:14:45

that would go in this direction.

01:14:47 --> 01:14:49

No, that's okay. I have nothing to say.

01:14:50 --> 01:14:52

Oh, I thought If you want to extend

01:14:52 --> 01:14:53

the 5 minutes because

01:14:53 --> 01:14:55

there's a great deal of interest.

01:14:56 --> 01:14:58

Let me just let me just make one

01:14:58 --> 01:14:59

brief concluding comment

01:15:00 --> 01:15:01

because

01:15:02 --> 01:15:03

I I I think it relates to the

01:15:03 --> 01:15:05

last question and I just wanna make a

01:15:05 --> 01:15:06

concluding comment.

01:15:07 --> 01:15:09

I think it's very helpful for Muslims

01:15:10 --> 01:15:11

when they are communicating

01:15:12 --> 01:15:14

their religious perceptions to others.

01:15:15 --> 01:15:17

To try to put a certain idea out

01:15:17 --> 01:15:19

of your head. And I know this is

01:15:19 --> 01:15:20

gonna sound bizarre.

01:15:21 --> 01:15:23

People often criticize me for it. But maybe

01:15:23 --> 01:15:25

it's just a community of people I deal

01:15:25 --> 01:15:28

with. Put out of your head that this

01:15:28 --> 01:15:30

person you're gonna convert this person to Islam.

01:15:32 --> 01:15:34

See, the minute you start thinking that this

01:15:34 --> 01:15:36

is a potential convert, I have to win

01:15:36 --> 01:15:39

him over, I'm going to grab him with

01:15:39 --> 01:15:41

this or that line, You're giving yourself too

01:15:41 --> 01:15:42

much credit.

01:15:43 --> 01:15:46

As the Quran told prophet Muhammad, peace be

01:15:46 --> 01:15:48

upon him, time and time again, he's not

01:15:48 --> 01:15:50

responsible for what happened to these people.

01:15:51 --> 01:15:54

He's only responsible to deliver the message sincerely

01:15:54 --> 01:15:55

and truthfully to the very best of his

01:15:55 --> 01:15:56

ability.

01:15:56 --> 01:15:58

Leave the conversion up to

01:15:59 --> 01:16:00

God. Because

01:16:00 --> 01:16:02

the minute you start giving yourself more credit,

01:16:02 --> 01:16:04

I think it really does damage to the

01:16:04 --> 01:16:05

message you're trying to relate.

01:16:05 --> 01:16:08

Don't be out to convert this person. Just

01:16:08 --> 01:16:09

be out to do your duty

01:16:10 --> 01:16:12

to convey that message as clearly and truthfully

01:16:12 --> 01:16:14

and appropriately as possible.

01:16:15 --> 01:16:18

Brothers and sisters, I'm sorry. I really thank

01:16:18 --> 01:16:20

you all if

01:16:21 --> 01:16:23

okay the problem is there is another session

01:16:23 --> 01:16:25

in 5 minutes here so

01:16:25 --> 01:16:28

so that's the problem So I really apologize

01:16:28 --> 01:16:30

for everybody, and, thank you all, and hopefully,

01:16:30 --> 01:16:33

Insha'Allah, we'll have another session similar to that.

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