Jamal Badawi – The Quran – Ultimate Miracle 43 – Discussion Of Objections

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			today's program is the third in the series.
		

			And to be more specific, the last segment on the authenticity
		

			and rehearsal shopping nation.
		

			For the benefit of our viewers, could you give us a summary of last week's program? Certainly, last
week was the third segment that deals with the specific issue of the arrangement of the Quran. And
we began by discussing some of the theories that tried to explain the pattern of the arrangement of
the various suitors. In the Quran, especially the opinions given by orientalist. We began first with
the suggestion that the Quran is always more or less by the length of the sutras and indicated by
numbers and figures, that this is an erroneous explanation. It was indicated that the Quran is not
organized, like chapters, either, that is by topics.
		

			We discussed the suggestion that the Quran was collected in a haphazard way, and indicated this is a
very erroneous statement. Again, because it does sound the critics of Islam even like the new
Catholic Encyclopedia, rejected this notion.
		

			We then turn to the question as to who then determines the authors of the front
		

			end indicated that all historical and logical evidence
		

			seemed to show that the authors of the verses in the Quran of the
		

			passages was definitely in accordance with the instruction of the Prophet, Prophet Muhammad peace be
upon him. And that he in turn, has done that on the basis of the revelation or instruction of Angel
Gabriel. And this is a method that they have been absolutely no difference on what's been anonymous.
		

			As far as the author of Sutras, quote, unquote, chapters, that's not a very good word, but the
author of sewers in the Quran, we discuss the three different opinions on that. And he indicated
that the consensus really is that the there seem to be more evidence, stronger evidence, but even
also in the case of sewer as the order in which they acted, and it was also in accordance with the
instructions
		

			that will be strongest. But as far as diversity, is there, unanimity on that,
		

			let's come to more attention that some writers
		

			was not sure that you have two chapters.
		

			This doesn't sound like you're like your opinion on it. And even you can comment on what the basis
of Decree is, in fact, there's a part to that effect, but it is not a an authentic, very authentic
report. It is not in some collection, about the sake of Prophet Muhammad might not and maybe others
like a Buddha would
		

			say, there have been a report attributed to a companion of the Prophet
		

			that he once said to the clerk killing us man, he said What did you do the final compilation of
putting together of the various manuscripts, why did you put
		

			surah number eight
		

			in that particular order, and put now after that, and why,
		

			you know, you have accepted for this particular order.
		

			It was sort of according to that less authentic report, I should say, that was man but clearly
answered and he said that whenever
		

			verses or passages of the Quran were revealed to Muhammad lungs, whereas lung chapters,
		

			that whenever a person was revealed, he used to invite or get someone who used to write or to
		

			dictate revelation. And he said to him, place this passage or these few passages in such and such
sort of where it says such and such In other words, determining where exactly this particular part
fits in any question.
		

			ticker Sora. And it should be reported from beginning to the end. And then it says that fast man
continued to expand. And he said that surah number eight, called and file was among the first
suitors that were revealed in Medina, the rich, the prophet migrated the matter.
		

			And he said that number nine, on the other hand, was among the latest or the last that was revealed
to the prophet in Medina. And he says, I noted that the tactic in both of these sutras number eight
and nine, is very similar. So I thought it is part of it. But since the Prophet died without
explicitly indicating to us that this is a separate surah, or whether they are the same since the
topic is similar, I put them or I placed them in the Quran, in that particular order. And I did not
write between these two swords number eight and nine, the common line that usually appears in the
beginning of every surah, that is,
		

			the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful, that as far as the report itself, goes, that if you
examine that report in terms of authenticity, we find that many scholars of Hadith that is the
saying of Prophet Muhammad and things that were narrated about him or about Sahaba, his companions
		

			found that this report is not very strong, according to Buhari, perhaps the greatest collectors of
the saying of the Prophet.
		

			And he said that one of the directors in bad habits is a man by the name of VLC and Pharisees. And
he said that this person cannot be taken really, as a very trustworthy
		

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			at all other contemporary scholars have prophetic saying like machaca, for example, they even go to
the point of saying that this is baseless habeas, it doesn't have really a very strong origin. In
other words, without getting into the technicalities, what I'm saying that discussion is examining
that, of course, found that less than authentic in terms of the narration.
		

			But on the other hand, even if we assume for the sake of discussion that the report is correct, as
generally disunity, one scholar for an example,
		

			all the change really is that the orders of the various students in the entire Quran
		

			has been done in accordance with the command of the Prophet with the exception of number eight, and
number nine. And like I say, again, that less than percentage report is correct, but don't really
deal with the entire authorship of the various students.
		

			But again, just want to make an overgeneralization with respect to the other students, even if there
is such a weak report, I can agree that he was entitled to
		

			a third lesson question of authenticity.
		

			This report, does this theological implication
		

			dictation?
		

			No, none whatsoever? All I could say or imply it was true. is simply that the orders in terms of the
source database to quote unquote, chapters
		

			whether they are they used to be one, or what was originally one chapter, or are they two separate
chapters, but with similar stuff is that in terms of subject matters in terms of the contents? It
doesn't, it doesn't affect manga, the content of the Quran, not even the orders of other students in
the Quran, the question is only related to that particular tutorial.
		

			In addition to this, there is more than one reason to believe that the order of the surah in the
Quran includes also these two swords, if you really need to try to analyze it. Number one,
		

			in the life of the Prophet, they have been so many memorizes of the Quran
		

			and it is well known that they used to memorize the Quran also in the order that they started with
this
		

			support supposed to be the author of the story.
		

			And as such, those memories are must have been realized in that particular order. And they have been
no dispute about the memorization of the Quran or the consensus on that particular order. Number
two,
		

			even though surah number nine which can after a while the question was was
		

			in Medina
		

			We all know that in the last two years of the life of Muhammad peace be upon him, the engine of
Revelation, Gabrielle came to him and reviewed the entire Quran twice every year, it used to be once
but that year, it was reviewed twice. And there were some contaminants present when Gabrielle was
checking on the profit in terms of the proper memorization of the
		

			Quran was nearly completed that time. And obviously, the review was done in the order
		

			of this year as in the presence of those components.
		

			A third reason is what explains the agreement of early investments, who are our witnesses to this
whole process of Revelation, and who are living
		

			on agreement to this particular quarter of the surah. In the Quran, definitely, it must have
something to do with what the * the Prophet himself reciting every day in the prayer On another
occasion, so there must have memorized the same way, the prophet recited. In addition to this, as we
indicated in some earlier programs, that the compilation of the Quran or putting the various
manuscript together in one volume, because everything was written in the lifetime of the project,
was not done, arbitrary, or was not done even by one person. aasmaan The third case, but by a
committee, we might say, a committee of very well known, knowledgeable and trusted companions of the
		

			Prophet Muhammad, were actually the eyewitnesses to the revelation of the Quran, and many others
other than the committee even were present. Were contemporaries of the practice of the Quran. Before
I even add one remark, at some scholars pointed out to me that the fact that chapter nine or student
number nine does not begin with the normal or the common language
		

			that shows an absolute accuracy and honesty of us man, the word careless and quarterback committed,
because even though it appears to be too serious, but since he didn't specifically hear the traffic,
decide and start and repeat that line to show that there is a new surah to be revealed, a new unit
altogether, shows that, honestly, we're not trying to apply their own judgment. Actually, this is an
indication of how smart
		

			and how meticulous with detail exactly even the slightest detail because they know this is the word
of God. They don't want to take any steps to tamper with it, even with good intention that's
		

			not familiar with any similar accuracy in any other book in the history of humanity.
		

			Discussing questions related to
		

			the crime.
		

			What that is, are a couple of points perhaps that might be relevant here.
		

			In a previous program, we discussed the attempt on the part of one of those who translated the Quran
is a non Muslim by the name of
		

			his translations, quite common.
		

			who painted a translation of the Quran and differ from the first 200 years old tradition that had
been furthered by getting a different order of the sutras becoming what you would what you consider
to be poetic, sewer as, you know, shorter ones.
		

			And,
		

			in fact, who was acting in a similar way to many others orientalist to try to formulate
		

			their own theories about the authors of the surah in the Quran.
		

			And in fact, there's a good summary to many of these theories in the book that while it was printed
by a man in 1983, it came to my attention only a few days ago. And I was very glad to find that the
methodology used by the writer seem to be quite similar to what we have been following throughout
this particular program related to the authenticity of the Quran. It's written by Dr. Muhammad
Khalifa. And the title is the sublime Koran, and Orientalism, which is an interesting, very useful
book from which we can benefit a great deal with this type of programs. And as
		

			indicated, the objections raised by some orientalist about the authors of the Quran, seem to go back
to the Dark Ages or middle ages. Because, for example, Ricardo, our Ico and Dr. Ricardo
		

			who described the Quran as caught fabricated
		

			And disorderly
		

			one can perhaps understand if you've been back into circumstances which might have led recorder to
make a statement like that the spirit of the Crusades and antagonism between the you know the Muslim
world and the Christian world at that time. But the thing that is rather difficult really to
understand is why should we be writers and artists in our day and age in the 20th century, continue
to perpetuate this kind of prejudices without even checking their validity, they just copy what has
been said before it never bothered me to do any scholarly original research to find out what was the
basis of any given or that type of statement and then try to present theories which are erroneous
		

			and lacking in evidence and many times even
		

			the object objections
		

			that you may have
		

			couple of examples from the book I mentioned, Dr. Philip has the sublime Quran
		

			for example, he refers to
		

			one's bro and his Quranic studies, as tell you that the Quran is a rough coordination, and which
probably developed over a long period of time, perhaps 200 years that a collection of copper iron
ore compiling took about 200 years. This is a clear example of why
		

			winnsboro here is not only considered
		

			overwhelming, historical and logical proofs that has been discussed, just replace it with his own
guess word. But it appears like Dr. Harris suggests that you didn't even understand the difference
between Quran and Hadees.
		

			Exactly, because the Quran is the word of Allah. Happiness is the same, attributed to Prophet
Muhammad peace be upon him. And in fact, historians say that while there have been some early
writings of the saying of the Prophet, it was not collected systematically until approximately 200
years after the Prophet. But the Quran we have seen has been totally and completely written, and the
lifespan of hunted and collected on the
		

			second in the second year, even after his death, everything was compiled in the first collection by
a robot. So apparently, they seem to be that mix of confusion between Quran and Hadith and different
parts of the Quran says the error is so obvious and manifests at a similar
		

			allegation was made by our GM
		

			who claimed again that by his study of the structure of the Quran,
		

			he found evidence that there had been some revisions and objections to some passages, and even says
that some passages do not fit in The Rime of the Quran, and ended up saying, quote, that the crime
is
		

			a multitude of disconnected pieces, sudden changes of subject, even grammatical break,
		

			is
		

			what Bill is saying were true, then why is it that there's absolutely no trace and history which is
very detailed by all you have seen in the past programs, how detailed history was given, even about
one verse one word, even everything was mentioned in phase one in all of that detailed history, we
fail to find the single a single evidence of revision
		

			or any means of the original that was revised and in what sense, it differs from from the, from
those revised, nor does he provide any substantive evidence as to who
		

			tampers with the word of Allah
		

			or can try to revise the word of Allah or introduce anything different into an act which is regarded
as a great blasphemy which is condemned very strictly in the Quran itself. Let us look at an example
of what he claimed to be disconnected. He says For example, to Surah number 84,
		

			particularly in passages seven through 12.
		

			And it says that, when you come to when
		

			the meaning is connected, however, if you take the following verses the following passages from 13
to 15
		

			This is that this three
		

			are not really connected with the meaning and probably they were later additions.
		

			But if you really review what Ben is saying, of course, it's difficult now without going into
details, but I just give the reference and anyone can check it, even in a translation of the Quran,
let alone the original. If you check this passages, that is 84, from seven to 15,
		

			you will find that if there is any disconnection, it's probably his conviction in his own
understanding, rather than in the Quran itself. Because to summarize the contents from verse seven,
or passage 71.
		

			Basically, it deals with the description of the status of human beings and the Day of Judgment, that
those who are good will receive their book, the book of their deeds in the right hand, which is a
good, a good sign, that their accountability will be easy, that they will come back rejoicing.
		

			On the other hand, it says that those who received their book of deeds from behind their back, which
is a bad sign, it means that they will enter into the blazing fire. And then describe those people
who would be thrown into the blazing fire, that in the in the earth realize these people used to be
rejoicing among their people, they thought that they will not be questioned, they will not be held
accountable before Allah, who was ever watching over them.
		

			What is that in disconnection, they describe the state of affair in detail judgments, talking about
the goods, talking about the bed, describing why these people ended up in bed or landed in that
particular situation, it says because of their behavior, and the and despite that, according to
Bill, you cannot see that connection. And he says that since part of the passage deals with the
hereafter Part D with this life, there must be a disconnection. So this is not not true at all and
responsible. I would say it's not a very responsible thing to say, you know, without you know,
giving any substantive
		

			evidence or proof
		

			some of them even went as far as claiming that by analyzing the style or running of the Quran, they
discovered even variations not nearly but even in the style, and they try to apply that doctrine
that we have today is not
		

			appreciate after
		

			explaining these aspects in English may be a bit difficult to meet in order to get difficult.
		

			Very hard to do. But for the benefit of our viewers can give us a few references or examples, which
actually will be checked or verified.
		

			Take for example, the statements made by jm ridewill ROGW DLL.
		

			That will make very fantastic claim, you know that
		

			the sutras or the chapters in the Quran should be on the journey from the core has been or should
be, or that from shortest to longest. And it seems that the earlier suitors were short suitors
		

			and try to show and prove how the present arrangement of the Quran in his mind is not correct. But
in the process of doing so he seemed to have, as Dr. Philippa say, forgot to check his own
athletics. For example. He says that in Surah, number 67. He says the passages eight through 11 seem
to have been a later insertion. Why? Because he says that these
		

			passages are relatively longer. And that's not the case with me sort of elsewhere as well, normally
short type of verses.
		

			What gerardsville seem to have forgotten is that the number of words in these four verses are
exactly 13 1912 and five, and that gives an average of over 12 words per passage of the verse.
Whereas in the rest of the surah that's surah number 67 the average of words rooms between eight to
18. So, what is the substantial difference in the average length
		

			that indicates that there is absolutely no basis whatsoever to single out these particular
		

			passages and say that they are different from the others just on the basis of mathematics, religious
B is metrics reading would do it. The same in accuracy is in his claim that the word soccer which
appeared in Surah 74
		

			Or in passages 26 or 27. disturbs Brian Well, as you mentioned earlier, perhaps it might be
difficult to explain it you know, convey the meaning from one language to the other. But I would
invite the viewers to just use an example nervous and judging whether there is any disturbance in
		

			cinema ads but I was struck by a car in had in a new sort of, in had in common Russia. Celski
soccer,
		

			soccer
		

			that's the word that you object soccer. What is the difference? Or disconnection in the in the Ryan?
The unfortunate thing is that radwin is addressing an audience or viewers who do not know Arabic,
and can make statements as you like. There's not much of a chance for many readers about stem from
the wrong sources, discovering and discerning the correct from the erroneous.
		

			Now how about maybe commenting on some other objections that you will see earlier? particular
dealing with the flow of meaning and I'm going to give an example with it. Okay, let's take the same
writer for example. Okay. Similarly, a famous writer who wrote about erroneously also Arthur Jaffe
		

			began with gradual For example, He says that in Surah, number 51. And he says, Are claims that the
passage is 24, towards the to the end, that is to 60 were not part of that sutra. But his judgment,
again, was never based on any historical evidence, because according to his own understanding, or
his own interpretation, he feels that there is no magical flow of meaning.
		

			Now, again, that judgment reflects not only his lack of understanding of the style of the Quran, and
the continuity, in its meaning, which is rather unique.
		

			But more specifically, if we refer to the sutra itself, you will notice that the part that you
consider to be, you know, the original part of the Surah
		

			61, passages, one through 23 did basically, with the basic idea that the promise of Allah is true.
The Day of Judgment is true. It describes the state of people who reject the test and the Day of
Judgment, it compares that with the delivers and the conscious people, and simply ends by saying
that there are many signs in the earth, and in oneself.
		

			And in the universe at large, which shows that this Quran is true, and that there are lessons for us
to learn. That's the part that you consider. The other part that you consider disconnected. Indeed,
that's from 24 to 60. Simply continues to describe those lessons. In other words, the first part
says there are lessons for us to learn. There are many parts of the surah describe those lessons,
that is lessons about the punishment of those who rejected faith and choice in the past the history
of different prophets,
		

			lessons from the creation of the earth and other living things, lessons,
		

			you know, pertaining to the various science, alas, power in the universe, and mbappe simply by
inviting people to have faith in Allah, it concerns of conference, the prophet when he was rejected
that this is natural for profits to receive this kind of treatment. This is not the only
		

			example for this kind of lack of understanding. But I hope that it might give some idea that one
should be careful.
		

			You know, I wonder what this is he actually made that claim. But I think you've explained quite well
thank you very much. And thank you all for joining us. You understand the focus will appreciate.
		

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