Ingrid Mattson – Interview Women in Islam

Ingrid Mattson
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In a series on the story of the Bible, the host discusses the cultural and political changes in Islamic Arabia, including the shift in the definition of human value and the importance of women in the church's values. The host also discusses the history of the church's treatment of women and the importance of understanding the value of women in relation to their own spiritual relationships with God.
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Hi. Welcome to Perspectives on Faith. I'm your

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host, Matt Ntteka.

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This week, we're coming from Hartford Seminary

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in Connecticut.

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We have with us today doctor Ingrid Madsen.

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She's a professor

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of Islamic Studies

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at Hartford University,

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and she's also the president of the Islamic

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Society of North America. Doctor Madsen, thank you

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for coming on our show.

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You're welcome. Would you describe the gender certification

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of the society in which prophet Mohammed grew

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up in?

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What you have to understand about pre Islamic

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Arabian society, first of all, is that

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it was a society

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in which there was no rule of law.

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There was no political structure that was governing

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the Arabian Peninsula.

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The,

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only

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ruling powers

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were tribes

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that were in mutual,

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rivalry.

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These tribes became

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or operated in in a way similar to

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a gang structure.

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What that means is that the only way

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to have

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power, the only way to promote your interest

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is by using brute force.

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The tribes are are highly territorial

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and are in constant conflict with each other.

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A society like this

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values

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strength,

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force,

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and is highly militarized.

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What that means is that,

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for women,

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their position,

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is

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is secondary

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to that of men,

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who who, through their strength

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and through their,

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violence,

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exercise their will.

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So the basic structure of this society is

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one in which women,

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as

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mostly noncombatants,

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are in a secondary position to men.

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So why would women respond positively

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to the message of Muhammad?

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The prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him,

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both through his attitude and as the messenger

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of God

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with the Quran that that he received from

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from God,

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brought a message that women,

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are equal to men,

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in their value.

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And not only that, that that in fact,

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how you value a human being

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is not through

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their

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brute strength,

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not through their

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ability to

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dominate,

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but in fact, their ability

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to submit themselves to God. So there's a

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whole different

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paradigm shift,

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of what makes a human being valuable.

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In pre Islamic Arabia, what made a human

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being valuable

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was to be

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a,

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a dominant

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warrior, someone who,

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who by whatever means necessary,

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subjected other people to his will.

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What the Quran says is that the person

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who is valuable

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in is

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the one who is most noble in the

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eyes of God

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is the one who has most awareness of

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God.

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That awareness is something that can be gained

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by either a man or a woman.

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That, that your gender has nothing to do

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with whether you have the ability,

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to submit yourself to god. So there's a

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completely different,

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assessment

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of the value of a human being,

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according to the Quran,

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the Quranic paradigm.

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Could you provide examples

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of these women's

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responses

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initial responses to Muhammad's message?

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Well, as is well known, the first person

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who responded

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to

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the prophet Muhammad's message was his wife Khadija.

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Khadija who was really in all ways a

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full partner to the prophet Muhammad, peace be

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upon him. She was,

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a mature woman

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who was,

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financially independent,

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who was per who had her professional career.

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And she and and her husband

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really weren't always

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full partners, raising their family, having their business.

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She knew him, as a woman knows her

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husband, better than anyone. And when he received

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the call

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by by God,

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to come and bring this message, she was

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the first to respond to him and supported

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him and believed in him.

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But,

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you know, it didn't stop there. In fact,

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women

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were among the early supporters of the prophet

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Mohammed.

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You had not only women like Khadija, who

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was a free woman of high status,

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but a woman like Sumayya,

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who was a slave woman, who was in

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a highly degraded position, and for whom this

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message of Islam

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was one of her dignity.

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Even in a if it appeared by

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by all objective

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measures that she was the most degraded

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person in Meccan society.

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How were these women participating in the public

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realm

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of Mecca?

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Muslim women in Mecca,

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experienced

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hardship to the same degree that men did.

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We find that, for example,

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the first martyr in Islam was Sumayyah,

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who was murdered

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in a brutal fashion

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by her

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by Abu Jahal

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for being a Muslim.

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Because there was no

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recognition in Mecca, in the political order of

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Mecca of individual human rights, it was possible

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for someone,

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a so called free man, to kill a

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slave with impunity.

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Among the other women were Khadija

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and the other women of,

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the

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Banu Hashim, the clan of the prophet Mohammed,

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peace be upon him,

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who,

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were boycotted by the rest of Quraysh for

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3 years,

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who had to live on the outskirts of

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Mecca and were deprived of

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meaningful sustenance. In fact, we know that Khadija,

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died because she was weakened by the boycott.

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She and other women suffered along with

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the male, believers,

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in that situation.

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Women also,

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were among the delegation

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that left Mecca

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at the command of the prophet Muhammad to

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seek refuge with the,

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the ruler of Abyssinia.

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A good Christian king

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who gave refuge and comfort

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to the Muslims who were persecuted in Mecca.

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Women were there with the men. So Muslim

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women were beside,

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the men at in at all stages,

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in the Meccan period.

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Was there anything in the initial revelations of

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God that improved

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the status

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or role of the woman in Arabia?

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What we have to understand is that the

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first thing that,

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improved the status of women was simply

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a redefinition

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of the value of human beings. I mean,

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women as human beings

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were reassessed

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according to their value. Now their value was

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not primarily

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as, as chattel or as property of men,

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but as

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individual human beings who who had who had

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their

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own spiritual relationship with God. That's vitally important.

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It means that if a woman

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is married or if she's not married, whether

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she's a mother or she cannot have

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children,

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whether she lives a life that is,

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in

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in the public eye and is famous or

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is is someone who is,

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who gets,

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great acclaim because of

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her, career or her accomplishments.

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That all of these things in the end

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are irrelevant because her primary

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value in relationship is the dignity that she

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can attain through a relationship with god. It's

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very important to understand that.

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Of course, there were specific

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rulings about females in that society

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that did help their situation

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within the limits of what was possible within

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7th century Arabia.

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One of the first things that was done,

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of course, in the early revelations was to

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link the mistreatment of women

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with,

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morality.

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So that the burial of of,

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of female children, female infanticide,

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that was practiced among the pre Islamic Arabs

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was condemned. And not only was it condemned,

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as something that was,

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that was wrong, but it was linked to

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a

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ultimate

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value,

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which was that

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God

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would judge this action.

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