Ingrid Mattson – How to Tell a Beautiful Story The Tale of Joseph in the Quran

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The importance of storytelling in helping people understand and interpret the reality of the universe and the cosmos is emphasized. It is important for individuals to interpret and interpret the material world and the meaning and message of the story. It is also emphasized that storytelling can be healing by recounting a story and recounting it. Ultimately, it is crucial for individuals to become healing by recounting a story and recounting it.

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			Good evening, everyone. A warm welcome to you.
		
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			Thank you so much for joining us. My
		
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			name is Melissa Paige Nichols, and I am
		
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			pastoral counselor on staff with Campus Ministry here
		
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			at King's University College.
		
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			Tonight, we begin the second half of the
		
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			Veritas Series for Faith and Culture for this
		
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			14,
		
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			2015 academic year,
		
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			and we are most honored
		
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			to have Doctor Ingrid Mattson with us this
		
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			evening
		
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			to offer the 1st lecture
		
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			of this new year.
		
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			And now I am very pleased to invite
		
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			Hassan Mostafa,
		
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			president of the board of directors
		
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			of the Islamic Centre of Southwest Ontario
		
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			to introduce our speaker.
		
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			I greet you with the words of peace.
		
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			I'm very honored to be here
		
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			and,
		
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			before I introduce our esteemed guest, doctor Mattson,
		
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			I wanna speak just a little bit about
		
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			friendship.
		
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			It's
		
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			a difficult world that we live in today,
		
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			but in the Muslim community here in London
		
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			we're very proud and we're very honored of
		
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			the bonds and the friendships that we've created
		
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			with interfaith communities both with King's College, Huron
		
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			College.
		
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			Excuse me with many of the churches and
		
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			with many of the synagogues
		
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			and
		
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			at a time where people want to commit
		
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			violence and use the mask of religion to
		
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			do so, it's always great to fall by
		
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			to fall back on friendship
		
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			and,
		
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			and and then move forward. And so we
		
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			honor your friendship. We thank you for your
		
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			friendship.
		
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			And, having said that, I'd like to introduce
		
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			our esteemed guest, doctor Matson.
		
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			Doctor Matson is a religious scholar. She's an
		
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			expert in interfaith relations.
		
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			Since 2012, she's been the chair of Islamic
		
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			Studies
		
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			at Huron at the Windsor London and Windsor
		
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			Community Chair
		
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			of Islamic Studies at Huron.
		
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			Doctor Matson was educated in Canada just from
		
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			down the road on on the 401 from
		
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			the Kitchener Waterloo area.
		
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			She earned a PhD in Near Eastern Language
		
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			Languages and Civil Age Civilizations from the University
		
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			of Chicago.
		
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			From 1998 to 2012,
		
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			she was the professor of Islamic Studies at
		
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			Hartford Seminary in Connecticut,
		
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			where she developed and directed the 1st accredited
		
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			graduate program for Muslim chaplains in America
		
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			and served as director of the McDonald Center
		
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			for the Study of Islam and Christian Muslim
		
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			Relations.
		
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			Doctor Matson has long been active in the
		
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			Muslim religious communities. From 2,001 to 2,010,
		
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			she served as vice president and then as
		
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			president of the Islamic Society of North America,
		
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			the first woman to serve so in either
		
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			position. Her writings both academic and public focus
		
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			primarily on Quranic interpretation,
		
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			Islamic theology, ethics, and interfaith relations.
		
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			Her book, the story of the Quran,
		
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			is an academic bestseller and was chosen by
		
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			the US National Endowment for the Humanities for
		
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			Inclusion in its bridging cultures program.
		
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			Doctor Matson is also a senior fellow at
		
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			the Royal Ahlulbayt Institute For Islamic Thought in
		
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			Amman, Jordan.
		
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			From 2,009 to 2010, Doctor. Matson was a
		
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			member of the Interfaith Task Force of the
		
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			White House Office
		
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			of Faith Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.
		
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			In 2008, she was on the council for
		
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			global leaders of the c 100 of the
		
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			World Economic Forum.
		
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			Doctor Batson is also the recipient of numerous
		
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			awards
		
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			Thank you, doctor Hassan Mustafa, for that introduction.
		
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			I'm very grateful to to doctor Mustafa and
		
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			to so many others,
		
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			from this community, from the community of London
		
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			and the community of Windsor, the the people,
		
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			the communities that gave,
		
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			the name of the chair that I hold,
		
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			the London and Windsor community chair
		
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			in, Islamic Studies. I'm so grateful
		
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			and really honored and feel blessed to occupy
		
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			a chair that is has been funded and
		
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			named after communities
		
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			because so many of my colleagues hold chairs
		
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			that are named after
		
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			millionaires
		
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			or monarchs
		
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			or billionaires,
		
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			so I feel really, you know, more rooted
		
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			in the people,
		
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			with this, so I'm grateful to that. I'm
		
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			also, of course, very grateful to,
		
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			King's University College,
		
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			and
		
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			especially for, the Center For Jewish
		
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			Catholic Muslim Learning here that, has sponsored this
		
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			lecture.
		
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			I'm,
		
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			so happy to have good, and
		
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			good colleagues and also friends, as as Hasson
		
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			said,
		
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			here. It's wonderful,
		
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			being in colleges that
		
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			bring a a,
		
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			a life of faithfulness and also a critical
		
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			eye to, religious studies,
		
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			to the Western campus. I think we
		
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			fulfill,
		
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			a very important role
		
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			in,
		
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			in the world today.
		
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			Religion is a part of people's
		
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			experiences, whether
		
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			we like it or not, and at a
		
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			minimum, we should understand the world in which
		
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			we live. So, teaching about religion,
		
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			should be part of every,
		
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			you know, every educated person's
		
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			education at some point,
		
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			and to be able to also have a
		
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			place,
		
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			to live faithfully is also important in a
		
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			nation where freedom of religion and expression is,
		
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			is so critical
		
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			to the values and identity,
		
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			so I'm grateful to be to be here
		
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			and also to be back in Canada.
		
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			Today, I'm talking
		
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			about the story of Joseph,
		
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			and I chose this because it is one
		
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			of my favorite stories
		
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			ever,
		
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			not just one of my favorite stories in
		
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			the Quran, but I thought it was particularly
		
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			appropriate also for this lecture series because it's
		
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			a story that is well known by all
		
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			the so called Abrahamic traditions,
		
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			by, Christians, Jews, and Muslims.
		
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			It is a story that we share. It's
		
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			a story that is told both within our
		
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			scripture
		
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			and also outside of scripture.
		
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			There are all sorts of retellings of the
		
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			story of,
		
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			Joseph,
		
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			in the Islamic tradition. We have
		
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			a there's a very developed miniature tradition of
		
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			illustrations
		
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			of this story
		
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			in Persian and Ottoman manuscripts.
		
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			There are plays
		
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			about it
		
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			in India.
		
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			Of course there is a
		
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			contemporary modern play about it, Joseph and his
		
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			Technicolor Dreamcoat.
		
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			So the store this is a story that
		
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			has engaged our imagination from very, very ancient
		
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			times
		
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			told even before it was written down,
		
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			in the Bible or the Quran, and it
		
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			goes on in a retelling
		
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			afterwards.
		
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			So,
		
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			so we all have, I think, I don't
		
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			have to tell the basic story to people,
		
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			it's also helpful to to have pretty much
		
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			all of your audience know generally the backstory.
		
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			The story of Joseph is told in the
		
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			Quran in one of the Suras. Sura means
		
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			that is often translated
		
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			as chapter, although that doesn't quite
		
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			translate exactly.
		
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			The Quran has a 114
		
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			Suras, some that are very short, just a
		
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			few verses, and some that are very long,
		
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			hundreds of verses.
		
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			The story of Joseph is a is a
		
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			medium, shortish to medium,
		
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			long chapter,
		
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			and it is
		
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			special and unique within the Quran for a
		
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			number of reasons.
		
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			To understand why it is special,
		
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			we first have to
		
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			know that the Quran contains many different forms
		
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			of communication,
		
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			all of which Muslims believe are the word
		
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			of God.
		
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			So,
		
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			everything that is within the Quran is a
		
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			revelation
		
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			that came from God through the prophet to
		
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			the prophet Muhammad as the messenger of God.
		
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			So the Quran
		
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			is is God's message
		
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			that was conveyed through his his prophet and
		
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			then given to the people.
		
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			But, in this in this revelation,
		
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			which was revealed over 23 years bit by
		
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			bit, there are many different forms of communication
		
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			and by that I mean,
		
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			that there are some stories, although
		
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			those are a small part, but there are
		
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			also legal rulings, there are supplications,
		
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			there is the praise of God, there
		
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			eschatological
		
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			descriptions, descriptions of the afterlife and the day
		
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			of judgment.
		
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			So there's many different
		
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			messages,
		
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			stories,
		
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			prayers, and passages in the Quran.
		
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			A word that could be translated as
		
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			as story,
		
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			if you go to an English translation of
		
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			the Quran, you might find,
		
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			very often in a number of verses, they'll
		
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			they'll use the word story,
		
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			but the Arabic word kisla
		
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			is not used very often. Usually,
		
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			what is conveyed is is news,
		
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			naba,
		
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			or a parable, methel,
		
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			or a hadith.
		
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			The word hadith is used, report.
		
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			So what is the difference between all of
		
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			these
		
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			narratives,
		
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			and
		
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			a story?
		
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			This story
		
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			has a specific meaning.
		
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			It is a narrative that's told
		
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			about something that has happened in a particular
		
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			format, and you'll see this if you if
		
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			you look at the Quran and you look
		
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			at these different words that are translated as
		
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			narrative,
		
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			that story has a particular meaning.
		
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			And
		
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			the Surah Joseph, the chapter of Joseph,
		
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			begins,
		
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			very early on in this chapter
		
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			are the words, we will narrate to you
		
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			the most beautiful story.
		
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			And
		
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			to this,
		
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			extent,
		
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			when we look at the story of Joseph
		
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			as story,
		
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			we are not engaging in
		
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			a metaphorical,
		
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			interpretation of the Quran.
		
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			So, we have to think a little bit
		
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			at the beginning here about hermeneutics,
		
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			meaning
		
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			what is the proper way to read the
		
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			Quran?
		
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			When we read the Quran, how do we
		
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			look at it? Now, of course, people can
		
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			look at it from whatever perspective they like.
		
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			From an but for a Muslim, for a
		
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			believing Muslim, I'm an observant Muslim, there are
		
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			certain things that we begin with. 1, that
		
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			this is the word of God, So that
		
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			is
		
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			is a belief that Muslims will have that,
		
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			non Muslims generally will not have.
		
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			The question then is, if a Muslim believes
		
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			this is the word of God, how do
		
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			we understand it? How do we interpret it?
		
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			And very often, we hear
		
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			phrases
		
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			like,
		
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			you know, because Muslims believe that the Quran
		
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			is the literal word of God, they are,
		
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			and the the assumption or the conclusion is
		
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			they are literalists, scriptural literalists,
		
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			and that's not quite true
		
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			because,
		
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			well,
		
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			the all Muslims believe that the Quran is
		
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			the verbatim word of God. That doesn't mean
		
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			that all forms that the Quran is read
		
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			in a completely decontextualized
		
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			manner, or in a manner in which,
		
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			the
		
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			words can't have some ambiguity
		
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			or
		
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			be polysemic,
		
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			meaning that that there could be many meanings
		
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			to the same word, or that we don't
		
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			have to contextualize scripture.
		
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			So, there are many tools,
		
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			exegetical tools or tools of interpreting the Quran
		
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			that are applied to the text. So for
		
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			example, the first level is linguistic. What does
		
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			a word mean?
		
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			What did the word mean in that time?
		
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			Is it different than how we understand
		
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			what that word means? Could there be many
		
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			different meanings?
		
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			Then there's the question of grammar. While something
		
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			can be phrased in a general
		
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			verbal form,
		
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			it might actually
		
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			imply or signify
		
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			a specific
		
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			ruling,
		
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			or it may signify
		
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			one person, even though the wording is very
		
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			general.
		
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			There's also the issue of the historical
		
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			context
		
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			of abrogation.
		
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			Were some verses abrogated by others?
		
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			So, there is a whole toolbox
		
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			that is brought
		
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			to understanding
		
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			what the Quran means. So we all know
		
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			what the Quran says.
		
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			The question is, what does it mean? And
		
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			here is where we'll find a wide range
		
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			of interpretations.
		
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			Now,
		
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			there are some
		
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			schools of Islamic thought that,
		
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			will interpret the Quran through a metaphorical
		
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			lens.
		
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			In particular, if you look at some of
		
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			the, the, Shiite schools of thought, there is
		
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			more application of metaphorical interpretation,
		
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			and by metaphorical interpretation, I mean
		
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			where some passages that seem fairly straightforward
		
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			will be interpreted
		
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			metaphorically.
		
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			So, for example,
		
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			the sun will be interpreted as a metaphor
		
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			for God, and the moon as a metaphor
		
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			for Adi,
		
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			and the,
		
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			clouds as a metaphor for an oppressive ruler,
		
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			etc.
		
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			So these are this is metaphorical or a
		
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			symbolic reading of what's in the
		
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			Qur'an. The majority of Muslims, the majority of
		
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			mainstream Muslims, do not engage in that kind
		
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			of metaphorical interpretation.
		
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			They try to stay
		
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			to as strict of
		
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			a a what you could maybe say a
		
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			plain reading of the text,
		
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			to try to understand linguistically
		
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			what it meant,
		
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			culturally what it signified,
		
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			historically,
		
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			in that context
		
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			when it was revealed and who it was
		
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			speaking to. So, there is context,
		
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			there is linguistic analysis,
		
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			but not a metaphorical or symbolic
		
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			reading of the Quran.
		
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			But, here, we see
		
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			a vast range of ways of interpreting the
		
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			pour n.
		
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			But what I want to say is that
		
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			if you
		
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			engage
		
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			strictly in a
		
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			straightforward,
		
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			you know,
		
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			plain reading of the Quran,
		
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			not a metaphorical reading,
		
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			you must
		
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			read the story of Joseph as a story.
		
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			Not to not meaning that it's fabricated,
		
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			but that it is in the genre of
		
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			the story because
		
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			the Quran itself says, this is a story.
		
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			Right? It uses the word story with respect
		
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			to this.
		
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			So by
		
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			by calling it a story, we're not applying
		
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			a metaphorical meaning, we're actually giving a very
		
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			literal
		
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			reading
		
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			of the text. Now, what does it mean
		
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			if something
		
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			is a
		
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			is a story?
		
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			Well, what are some of the elements of
		
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			a good story? If this was a classroom,
		
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			this is where I would ask you to
		
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			call out some of the elements of a
		
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			good story, but I'm not sure of the
		
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			acoustics here
		
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			and how how comfortable you'll be, so I'll
		
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			just I'll just call out some of the
		
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			things and,
		
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			you'll probably recognize them. A good story has
		
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			a plot,
		
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			has a plot that,
		
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			hopefully has some twists and turns, and ups
		
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			and downs, and ultimately
		
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			comes to some form of resolution,
		
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			or
		
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			might leave you hanging. It could be a
		
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			story,
		
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			that at the end is unresolved, but in
		
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			a way that that leaves you with something
		
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			to think about. A good story should have
		
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			strong characters.
		
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			Strong characters who are vivid,
		
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			who are, if they're human, they show some
		
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			of their humanity.
		
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			They
		
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			eat, they have family relationships,
		
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			they have intimate relationships.
		
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			A good story has
		
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			vivid settings,
		
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			and,
		
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			very often,
		
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			the a setting that is that is tight
		
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			is better.
		
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			And what I mean by tight is you
		
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			can think of,
		
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			you know, when you watch TV,
		
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			how often
		
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			does a sitcom take place? This is a
		
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			standard sitcom setting. Right? It's someone walks in
		
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			the the front door opens right into the
		
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			living room,
		
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			and there's the couch, and everyone sits on
		
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			the couch and behind them is the stairs.
		
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			So there's some movement, but all of the
		
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			action
		
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			occurs or most of the action occurs in
		
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			this tight little living room setting, usually
		
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			this one couch or a couch and maybe
		
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			another chair.
		
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			Or you think of some of the movies
		
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			you watch and how often it's it's this
		
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			closeness.
		
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			So, a setting that frames
		
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			the action
		
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			and that supports the message.
		
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			A theme. A story should have should have
		
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			a theme. You know, what is this story
		
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			about?
		
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			And the story doesn't have to be about
		
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			just one thing,
		
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			It might have layers of meaning. It might
		
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			have multiple themes. It might have something that's
		
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			on the surface and something that's a little
		
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			deeper.
		
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			A story has to do something with dialogue.
		
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			Some stories have a lot of dialogue, some
		
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			have very little, but whatever dialogue there is
		
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			in there
		
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			should move the action forward or
		
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			should somehow
		
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			not be just,
		
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			just thrown in there to fill pages, but
		
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			but really relates to the structure and theme
		
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			of the story.
		
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			A good story has conflict,
		
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			and that conflict
		
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			brings action, and it brings excitement.
		
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			It brings
		
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			visual interest,
		
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			and it also offers the opportunity
		
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			for,
		
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			for further action
		
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			and resolution,
		
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			and then, finally,
		
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			if it is a story that is told
		
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			orally,
		
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			it should have some elements that make it
		
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			interested
		
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			interesting
		
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			orally.
		
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			Oral stories, a good story
		
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			that is told
		
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			out loud,
		
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			will have repetition
		
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			because there's only so much you can remember,
		
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			so you need to kind of come back
		
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			to a theme, or have certain words
		
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			or phrases repeated, or come back to a
		
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			character. And, it should have in the words
		
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			itself a kind of rhythm or pattern. It
		
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			should be interesting
		
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			to listen to. It should be should be
		
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			enjoyable. There should be something in the cadence
		
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			of the storytelling
		
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			that makes it,
		
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			delightful.
		
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			In my view, the story of Joseph has
		
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			all of these things.
		
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			It has all of these things, and it
		
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			is why it is a beautiful
		
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			story,
		
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			Why it's a great story
		
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			because it's not just because it has a
		
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			good message,
		
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			but because it conveys
		
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			the message. It conveys
		
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			meaning through
		
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			these elements of storytelling that
		
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			are extremely
		
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			engaging,
		
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			And to this extent, I would say that
		
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			this is a way for the Quran to
		
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			teach us, for God to teach us something
		
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			about storytelling,
		
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			that
		
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			there is a way to tell a good
		
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			story.
		
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			This is how you do it,
		
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			and
		
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			good storytelling is important enough that I've included
		
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			it in my book.
		
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			This is something that,
		
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			scholars,
		
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			pre modern or classical Islamic scholars discussed.
		
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			They discussed storytelling
		
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			and,
		
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			the importance of it,
		
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			and they told it in the context of
		
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			a society where there was a lot of
		
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			storytelling that was going on,
		
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			for not very positive reasons, or not very
		
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			healthy reasons.
		
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			Of course, the,
		
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			you know, the ancient Near East,
		
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			like any society, had a lot of people
		
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			telling stories for money,
		
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			or
		
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			to seduce women,
		
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			or to scare people.
		
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			Whatever kind of stories we think there are
		
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			today, there are those stories that we think
		
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			are forms of art, that are forms of,
		
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			that are educational stories, that are moralistic
		
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			positive stories. We also think about stories that
		
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			are really seem to appeal to the most
		
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			degraded aspects
		
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			of human nature,
		
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			And this is this is,
		
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			the reality in any society, as I say,
		
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			and early Islamic society also faced this.
		
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			So sometimes there was a negative,
		
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			assessment of storytellers,
		
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			particularly because if if if there were competing
		
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			on one block
		
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			a very good storyteller
		
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			and a rather boring preacher,
		
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			most
		
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			people went to the exciting storyteller.
		
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			So there's a number of really interesting narratives
		
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			in the first centuries of Islam about
		
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			about scholars, very good, serious, rigorous scholars,
		
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			who would be sitting in the mosque, and
		
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			they would be
		
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			preaching and teaching.
		
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			And
		
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			as they're sitting there with their half dozen
		
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			students or mentors around them,
		
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			they would hear a lot of noise coming
		
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			in from the streets,
		
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			and send someone out to see what was
		
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			going on, and lo and behold,
		
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			there was one of these,
		
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			storytellers who made his living by putting a
		
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			hat in front of him,
		
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			telling some crazy,
		
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			wild story
		
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			with a lot of people, a lot of
		
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			the commoners standing around and just being in
		
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			amazement
		
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			at these stories he was telling. And very
		
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			sometimes they were stories
		
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			of
		
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			ancient people,
		
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			of ancient prophets,
		
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			and this, of
		
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			course, the religious scholars objected to because
		
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			they were telling things that were untrue
		
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			about
		
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			great figures like the prophets
		
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			or about righteous people,
		
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			or their theology when they talked about things
		
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			like the creation of the world, their theology
		
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			was off, and they had all sorts of
		
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			anthropomorphistic,
		
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			aspects into their storytelling, so when they spoke
		
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			about God,
		
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			they were saying things that, from a theological
		
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			point,
		
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			were
		
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			objectionable,
		
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			but made a good story,
		
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			but the thing that storytellers
		
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			loved to talk about more than anything
		
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			was,
		
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			heaven and *,
		
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			and the Day of Judgment.
		
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			The most common theme was the apocalypse,
		
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			and what would happen after death.
		
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			If you think that
		
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			only people that that
		
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			that The Walking Dead and the obsession with
		
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			The Walking Dead
		
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			is is a completely modern phenomenon, you don't
		
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			know anything about
		
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			the, ancient Near East. I mean people have
		
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			always loved these stories,
		
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			and so
		
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			the sober religious scholars were were always a
		
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			little bit worried about this, but the solution
		
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			the solution was to become a better storyteller
		
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			yourself, or make sure that you had,
		
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			storytellers
		
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			who knew their craft but all also had
		
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			sound
		
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			theological training so that when they told a
		
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			story, they wouldn't,
		
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			deviate
		
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			from what was the what was orthodoxy.
		
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			So we have someone like,
		
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			ibn al Jawzia or ibn al Jawzih,
		
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			who wrote the book Kitab al Khoslaas wu'adekareen,
		
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			the book of the story tellers and the
		
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			the,
		
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			preachers or those who would remind others, and
		
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			he says look,
		
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			you we need to have those people who
		
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			know how to tell a good story. That
		
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			is part of what,
		
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			how people learn their religion.
		
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			It's
		
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			many ordinary people in those terms they use
		
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			the term the masses, al amma, or the
		
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			general people,
		
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			the illiterate people. It's the only way they
		
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			learn the religion, and they're not they neither
		
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			have the time
		
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			nor the interest to sit,
		
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			in the mosque for these long
		
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			religious lessons and
		
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			lectures about all sorts of aspects of right
		
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			belief and and, law. So you need people
		
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			who are who can popularize,
		
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			the moral teachings.
		
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			And so
		
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			given that that's the case, then,
		
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			you know, do it right. If you if
		
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			we need storytellers, we need storytellers who can
		
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			do it right.
		
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			Now, the other thing I wanna say about,
		
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			the existence
		
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			of
		
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			the story of Joseph in the Quran is
		
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			that
		
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			it is not only here that the Quran
		
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			is self aware of the importance
		
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			of the of its own form.
		
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			And what I mean by that is that
		
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			the Quran
		
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			is
		
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			is
		
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			both a mess is a message, but it's
		
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			a message that is delivered in a particular
		
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			form,
		
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			and the form of it is very beautiful.
		
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			The Quran is filled
		
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			with rhyme,
		
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			it has patterns of rhythm,
		
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			It has all sorts of elements that are,
		
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			that we can recognize from
		
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			poetry
		
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			and
		
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			other forms of it's
		
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			not recognizable poetry, but as poetic elements.
		
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			And then when it is recited, and the
		
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			Quran originally is a recitation, Quran means
		
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			the recitation,
		
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			so it is originally oral.
		
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			It should be recited in a beautiful sing
		
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			song voice, which is what Tajweed is.
		
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			It is
		
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			a beautification
		
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			of the recitation.
		
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			So attention is paid to to pitch, to
		
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			rhythm, and pacing
		
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			of the recitation of the Quran.
		
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			So this idea that that the that, of
		
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			course, God would give his message in a
		
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			beautiful form.
		
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			And so
		
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			let's look then at this beautiful story of
		
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			Joseph in the
		
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			Quran and see why it is a good
		
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			story,
		
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			why it is a beautiful story.
		
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			So first of all, we have a plot,
		
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			and as I,
		
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			said earlier, probably most of you know
		
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			that generally the plot of this story.
		
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			There are some differences with the Joseph story
		
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			in the Quran in the Bible, so let's
		
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			just go over the plot quickly.
		
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			In the Qur'anic story, it begins with Joseph
		
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			having a dream,
		
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			and he,
		
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			tells his father about his dream,
		
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			and in his dream,
		
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			he,
		
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			his brothers
		
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			were
		
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			while he saw 11 planets and the Sun
		
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			and the Moon prostrating before him.
		
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			His father says, don't tell
		
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			your brothers about this dream because they will
		
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			plot against you.
		
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			Here we have some foreshadowing.
		
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			What happens
		
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			is,
		
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			of course, Joseph's brothers plot against him.
		
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			They,
		
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			decide that,
		
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			they're going to take him out. One of
		
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			the brothers who's not named
		
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			pleads with them not to kill him, but
		
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			just get rid of him.
		
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			And so,
		
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			Jacob does not
		
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			trust his sons, he knows something's going to
		
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			happen, he has
		
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			insight, and this is an an important aspect
		
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			of the story,
		
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			that the prophets have insight into
		
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			people's motives and intentions, and what's going to
		
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			happen.
		
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			So he doesn't trust them, but he lets
		
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			them go ahead.
		
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			They take Joseph, they throw him in a
		
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			well, and they bring back Joseph's shirt
		
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			with blood of a of an animal that
		
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			they have killed,
		
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			saying, see, a wolf has eaten has eaten
		
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			Joseph, attacked him, killed him, and this is
		
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			all that is left,
		
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			this * shirt.
		
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			Joseph's
		
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			father
		
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			doesn't really believe him believe them, and they
		
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			say, oh, you'll never believe us
		
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			when we tell you this story. And he
		
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			says, No, I don't believe you. You
		
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			have
		
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			somehow
		
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			made this up, but I'm going to be
		
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			patient.
		
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			Patience
		
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			is a big theme of this story.
		
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			Joseph's in the well, he's pulled out of
		
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			the well by a passing caravan. They take
		
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			him, they say, oh, we can do something
		
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			with this boy.
		
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			They bring him all the way,
		
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			to Egypt.
		
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			He is sold as a kind of house
		
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			boy or adopted boy,
		
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			and
		
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			now he is in a foreign land.
		
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			He grows up there,
		
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			and he reaches,
		
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			puberty. He becomes a young man, and the
		
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			woman of the house tries to seduce him.
		
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			As she is, he's attracted to her, but
		
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			he is God fearing, and so his fear
		
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			of God keeps him
		
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			from,
		
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			engaging in,
		
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			unlawful
		
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			intimacy with this woman.
		
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			So we have this
		
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			this aspect of the story, which is this,
		
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			this scene, the seduction seductive
		
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			scene, which is,
		
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			probably part of 90% of good stories,
		
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			that there is. So there is this this
		
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			scene.
		
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			He is he runs away from her, and
		
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			there's this very vivid moment whereas he's running
		
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			away from her. She grabs his shirt
		
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			to pull him back and the shirt rips.
		
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			Now,
		
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			* hath no fury like a woman scorned,
		
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			so now she accuses him of trying to
		
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			seduce her.
		
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			Someone says,
		
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			well, you know, we've got a he's he
		
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			said, she said situation here.
		
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			How will we know what the truth is?
		
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			How do you know the truth?
		
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			And this person says, well,
		
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			look at his shirt. If it's torn from
		
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			the front,
		
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			he is lying, and if it's torn from
		
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			the back, she is lying.
		
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			So she is obviously proven untruthful here, but
		
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			she insists on,
		
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			pursuing him and it becomes very difficult.
		
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			A lot of gossip in the city, everyone's
		
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			talking about her,
		
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			about how she she is this woman, this
		
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			respectable woman, and she's trying to seduce
		
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			this young man in the house,
		
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			so she becomes,
		
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			humiliated by all of the gossip,
		
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			and decides that she's going to show
		
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			her friends.
		
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			So she invites them to come over to
		
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			her place to to have a banquet, to
		
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			eat,
		
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			and they eat and then she brings out
		
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			any of you who
		
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			who have, eaten in a Middle Eastern culture
		
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			know what happens when you bring out the
		
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			fruit. The fruit is eaten with knives,
		
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			so they're given bowls of fruit and they're
		
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			given knives. So all the women have knives
		
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			in their hands, they just start peeling the
		
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			fruit,
		
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			and she orders Joseph to come out.
		
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			Beautiful,
		
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			dazzling
		
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			Joseph. A story needs a
		
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			a a beautiful a hero.
		
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			He is the star. He is handsome, charismatic.
		
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			He comes out and the women
		
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			are so
		
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			distracted
		
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			by his beauty that the knife slip and
		
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			they all cut their hands.
		
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			So here and there there's there's this
		
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			very concrete aspect to this, this the knife,
		
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			the cutting of the hand, the fact that
		
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			these women are in fact bleeding
		
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			from
		
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			their,
		
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			how dazzled they are by the beauty of
		
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			Joseph.
		
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			Joseph finds this just really getting to be
		
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			too much, and he says, Just
		
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			just,
		
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			you know, I would rather go to prison
		
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			than to be facing this,
		
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			temptation, and difficulty, and harassment all the time.
		
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			So he is thrown
		
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			into prison.
		
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			Remember, Joseph was first thrown into a well,
		
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			and now he's thrown into prison.
		
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			In prison,
		
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			he's there for a long time,
		
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			and he meets 2 criminals,
		
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			and,
		
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			both of them
		
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			getting to know him,
		
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			ask him to interpret their dreams. Each of
		
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			them has a dream,
		
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			and Joseph interprets their dreams,
		
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			and, his
		
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			it turns out that his interpretation
		
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			is true, and this will be important for
		
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			our themes.
		
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			He asks,
		
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			the one who he knows will be exonerated
		
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			from his crimes, he said, Remember me when
		
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			you go out.
		
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			When you get out of here, don't forget
		
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			about me.
		
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			He gets out, that guy gets out,
		
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			and,
		
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			he forgets all about Joseph
		
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			for quite a time, and Joseph remains in
		
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			prison,
		
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			but then
		
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			the king of the land has a dream,
		
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			and he dreams
		
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			that,
		
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			he sees
		
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			7
		
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			fat animals being eaten by 7 very skinny
		
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			animals,
		
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			and he sees 7 green ears of corn
		
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			and other dry ones. And he says, what
		
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			does this dream mean? What does this dream
		
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			mean? So the the man who was in
		
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			prison with Joseph says,
		
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			I know someone who's a good dream interpreter.
		
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			Why don't you,
		
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			why don't we get him? The king says,
		
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			where is he? He says, well, he's in
		
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			the prison.
		
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			So they bring him out,
		
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			and Joseph
		
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			interprets
		
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			this dream, and he says,
		
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			You need to,
		
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			sow grain for 7 years in a row,
		
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			but
		
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			store most of it. Only take a very
		
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			little bit out, store most of it, because
		
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			after that there will come 7 very difficult
		
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			years, years of drought,
		
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			and you will eat
		
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			pretty much all that's left,
		
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			except
		
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			for, so you will need to have stored
		
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			all of that, and then after that, there
		
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			will be a relief from all of this.
		
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			And the king asked him then what happened
		
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			with the women, and he he explains this
		
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			and that finally, after all of this time,
		
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			the woman comes forward and says, Look,
		
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			honestly, he's telling the true story.
		
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			I
		
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			I repent.
		
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			I confess that I did something, and,
		
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			I ask for God's mercy.
		
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			And so now the king,
		
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			Joseph is exonerated.
		
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			Joseph is now appointed by the king to
		
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			be in charge of
		
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			the the,
		
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			grain in the land, and storing the food,
		
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			and the policy for making sure that,
		
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			there is enough for the people of the
		
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			land.
		
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			So this is one kind of settling. We've
		
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			come to a point of ups and downs
		
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			and hardship,
		
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			and now things are settled to some extent
		
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			for Joseph.
		
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			But now who comes back?
		
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			His brothers.
		
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			His brothers return to Egypt,
		
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			and importantly,
		
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			when they come, they don't recognize Joseph.
		
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			They don't recognize him even though he's speaking
		
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			to them.
		
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			And
		
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			so Joseph,
		
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			decides that now is the opportunity
		
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			to teach his brothers a lesson.
		
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			And
		
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			he tells them,
		
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			he tells them to bring
		
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			their whole family, all the brothers. He wants
		
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			his younger brother to come,
		
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			and,
		
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			says, Look, you know, you're not gonna be
		
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			able to have have things settled here until
		
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			you bring
		
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			your brother.
		
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			So they go back, they talk to the
		
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			father, and say,
		
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			look, they're saying that the the court is
		
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			saying that we need to to bring him.
		
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			We have to go back.
		
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			Of course, the father is very reluctant to
		
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			send another son with them.
		
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			He says, I just don't trust you. You
		
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			have to. Do you promise that he'll come
		
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			back safe? And they say, we promise, we
		
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			promise he'll come back safely.
		
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			When he comes to the court,
		
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			Joseph takes the younger brother,
		
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			and they and he recognizes him, and he
		
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			says, Look, you know, it is me. It
		
00:38:23 --> 00:38:25
			is me. I'm gonna do something. Just keep
		
00:38:25 --> 00:38:25
			cool.
		
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			We're gonna do something to keep those guys
		
00:38:27 --> 00:38:28
			a lesson.
		
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			Secretly
		
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			hides
		
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			within
		
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			their
		
00:38:32 --> 00:38:33
			belongings
		
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			a goblet,
		
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			and lets them go. Then
		
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			he tells the guards, There's something missing here.
		
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			Go search those people.
		
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			They search
		
00:38:46 --> 00:38:47
			him, and they find the goblet in the
		
00:38:47 --> 00:38:49
			bags. They say, we don't know what this
		
00:38:49 --> 00:38:50
			is.
		
00:38:52 --> 00:38:54
			If, you know, we didn't take it, and
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:57
			he says, well, it's in it's in this,
		
00:38:57 --> 00:38:59
			this boy's sack, so he must have been
		
00:38:59 --> 00:39:00
			the thief.
		
00:39:00 --> 00:39:02
			And they say, well, if he's a thief,
		
00:39:02 --> 00:39:04
			his brother before him was like that.
		
00:39:04 --> 00:39:06
			So they they sell out their younger brother,
		
00:39:06 --> 00:39:07
			and they also
		
00:39:09 --> 00:39:12
			disrespect Joseph, who is long gone by now.
		
00:39:12 --> 00:39:15
			So he says he says, you have to,
		
00:39:15 --> 00:39:17
			you have to leave him with me.
		
00:39:19 --> 00:39:22
			They say, what's our father gonna do? Well,
		
00:39:22 --> 00:39:24
			they say, well, what can you do? So
		
00:39:24 --> 00:39:25
			they go back to the father and they
		
00:39:25 --> 00:39:28
			said, we're so sorry. Your son has stolen.
		
00:39:29 --> 00:39:30
			We we could
		
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			not
		
00:39:32 --> 00:39:34
			have stopped what we didn't
		
00:39:34 --> 00:39:35
			see.
		
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			We couldn't have guarded against the unseen,
		
00:39:42 --> 00:39:43
			something that they didn't
		
00:39:43 --> 00:39:45
			see, not know about.
		
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			Now, of course, Joseph is so,
		
00:39:50 --> 00:39:51
			so grieved,
		
00:39:51 --> 00:39:52
			but he says,
		
00:39:54 --> 00:39:56
			There's something untrue about this. You are not
		
00:39:56 --> 00:39:58
			telling me the whole truth.
		
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			He becomes
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:01
			so sad
		
00:40:02 --> 00:40:03
			and crying
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:04
			that his
		
00:40:06 --> 00:40:08
			that he that he his eyes end up
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:10
			turning white, and he goes blind.
		
00:40:11 --> 00:40:13
			And they say, why are you crying? Now
		
00:40:13 --> 00:40:14
			you're crying for the son, but you're also
		
00:40:14 --> 00:40:16
			still crying for Joseph.
		
00:40:17 --> 00:40:18
			He says,
		
00:40:19 --> 00:40:20
			verily, I complain
		
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			of my anguish and grief only to God.
		
00:40:27 --> 00:40:29
			So he says, Go back. Go back, sons,
		
00:40:29 --> 00:40:31
			and find out. Try to see
		
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			ask them. Ask them about your brother. Ask
		
00:40:33 --> 00:40:36
			them about Joseph. Don't despair of God's mercy.
		
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			Maybe there's a way.
		
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			And so
		
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			the brothers go back
		
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			to the court and they say, please, you
		
00:40:44 --> 00:40:45
			know, please, is there something you can do?
		
00:40:45 --> 00:40:49
			Please be just. Please be charitable. Our father's
		
00:40:49 --> 00:40:49
			old.
		
00:40:51 --> 00:40:52
			And the man says
		
00:40:53 --> 00:40:54
			to them,
		
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			you don't realize
		
00:40:57 --> 00:40:58
			what you did,
		
00:40:58 --> 00:41:00
			what you did to Joseph and his brother
		
00:41:01 --> 00:41:02
			that you weren't even aware,
		
00:41:03 --> 00:41:04
			and suddenly
		
00:41:04 --> 00:41:07
			the brothers recognize him. Suddenly, the brothers say,
		
00:41:08 --> 00:41:09
			are you Joseph?
		
00:41:10 --> 00:41:12
			And they see him for who he is.
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:14
			He said he says, yes,
		
00:41:14 --> 00:41:15
			I am Joseph.
		
00:41:17 --> 00:41:19
			And at this point,
		
00:41:19 --> 00:41:22
			Joseph says, but I'm not going to blame
		
00:41:22 --> 00:41:22
			you.
		
00:41:23 --> 00:41:25
			I want you to take my shirt,
		
00:41:25 --> 00:41:27
			take it back to my father,
		
00:41:27 --> 00:41:29
			and throw it over my father's eyes.
		
00:41:30 --> 00:41:32
			They do that and even before,
		
00:41:33 --> 00:41:35
			even before they get there,
		
00:41:36 --> 00:41:37
			Joseph's father says,
		
00:41:38 --> 00:41:40
			oh, I can I can
		
00:41:41 --> 00:41:44
			I sense Joseph? I I smell him.
		
00:41:45 --> 00:41:47
			I smell Joseph, and then they bring the
		
00:41:47 --> 00:41:48
			shirt
		
00:41:48 --> 00:41:50
			and his eyes are healed.
		
00:41:51 --> 00:41:53
			And he says he knew that this would
		
00:41:53 --> 00:41:54
			be this would happen.
		
00:41:55 --> 00:41:57
			So they all go back to Egypt,
		
00:41:58 --> 00:41:59
			and now,
		
00:41:59 --> 00:42:02
			Joseph says, bring my parents, bring them in
		
00:42:02 --> 00:42:04
			honor, and of course, the,
		
00:42:04 --> 00:42:05
			prophecy
		
00:42:06 --> 00:42:08
			or the dream that began at the beginning
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10
			or that Joseph had at the beginning is
		
00:42:10 --> 00:42:12
			fulfilled because his brothers all
		
00:42:13 --> 00:42:13
			now
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:15
			must humble themselves
		
00:42:15 --> 00:42:17
			before Joseph who's in this great period,
		
00:42:18 --> 00:42:20
			or this great position in the Egyptian court.
		
00:42:20 --> 00:42:22
			They prostrate down in front of him.
		
00:42:23 --> 00:42:25
			Joseph says, this is the fulfillment of my
		
00:42:25 --> 00:42:25
			dream,
		
00:42:27 --> 00:42:27
			and
		
00:42:28 --> 00:42:29
			the verse,
		
00:42:30 --> 00:42:32
			the Quran and or this
		
00:42:32 --> 00:42:35
			chapter, the story of Joseph enters saying,
		
00:42:36 --> 00:42:38
			these are the tidings of the unseen, which
		
00:42:38 --> 00:42:41
			we, meaning God, have revealed to you
		
00:42:42 --> 00:42:43
			for you are not with them.
		
00:42:47 --> 00:42:50
			And at the very end says, verily in
		
00:42:50 --> 00:42:52
			these stories is a lesson.
		
00:42:53 --> 00:42:55
			So this is generally
		
00:42:57 --> 00:42:57
			the plot
		
00:42:58 --> 00:43:00
			with all of its ups and downs and
		
00:43:00 --> 00:43:01
			twists and turns.
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:03
			So let's think about themes
		
00:43:04 --> 00:43:06
			and how the themes come out in
		
00:43:07 --> 00:43:10
			in the objects and characters and dialogue.
		
00:43:12 --> 00:43:15
			First of all, of course, there is the
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:18
			repentance theme, and the repentance theme is in
		
00:43:18 --> 00:43:21
			the the woman who tries to seduce Joseph,
		
00:43:22 --> 00:43:22
			the prisoner,
		
00:43:23 --> 00:43:26
			and the prisoners who who do or don't
		
00:43:26 --> 00:43:27
			repent of their misdeeds,
		
00:43:28 --> 00:43:30
			the repentance of Joseph's brother,
		
00:43:30 --> 00:43:33
			so part one of the minor themes is
		
00:43:33 --> 00:43:33
			that
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36
			people can do wrong, they can do evil,
		
00:43:36 --> 00:43:37
			they can betray,
		
00:43:38 --> 00:43:39
			but they
		
00:43:39 --> 00:43:42
			may be forgiven again. So this is something
		
00:43:42 --> 00:43:43
			that we see with
		
00:43:43 --> 00:43:45
			a number of the characters throughout the story.
		
00:43:47 --> 00:43:49
			There is the theme of patience,
		
00:43:49 --> 00:43:50
			and
		
00:43:51 --> 00:43:54
			the the dialogue is interesting in this story.
		
00:43:54 --> 00:43:55
			The theme of patience
		
00:43:56 --> 00:43:59
			is brought through the dialogue, especially
		
00:44:00 --> 00:44:01
			through these
		
00:44:01 --> 00:44:03
			small, little, pithy
		
00:44:04 --> 00:44:04
			statements
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:07
			that people make throughout. So one of the
		
00:44:07 --> 00:44:08
			most famous,
		
00:44:10 --> 00:44:11
			kind of prayers,
		
00:44:12 --> 00:44:13
			or pieces
		
00:44:13 --> 00:44:16
			pieces of dialogue in the story that becomes
		
00:44:16 --> 00:44:17
			a kind of prayer or supplication
		
00:44:17 --> 00:44:20
			that probably all Muslims know
		
00:44:20 --> 00:44:22
			is when Joseph's father says,
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:25
			patience is beautiful.
		
00:44:25 --> 00:44:28
			You know, it's almost a bumper sticker. It's
		
00:44:28 --> 00:44:30
			just very, very short,
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:31
			Sabru
		
00:44:31 --> 00:44:32
			Jamil.
		
00:44:32 --> 00:44:35
			Patience is beautiful. It's 2 words in Arabic.
		
00:44:36 --> 00:44:40
			You can't get shorter, more impactful dialogue, so
		
00:44:40 --> 00:44:41
			that this theme of patience
		
00:44:42 --> 00:44:45
			through hardship and adversity is really summed up
		
00:44:45 --> 00:44:47
			in this in this in this short
		
00:44:48 --> 00:44:48
			statement
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:50
			of Joseph's father.
		
00:44:53 --> 00:44:54
			But patience
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:56
			what does patience really mean? You know, sometimes
		
00:44:56 --> 00:44:58
			I because I teach chaplains,
		
00:44:59 --> 00:45:00
			this can become
		
00:45:01 --> 00:45:02
			an almost
		
00:45:05 --> 00:45:07
			almost kind of throwaway comment.
		
00:45:08 --> 00:45:09
			When people are suffering and they're in a
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:11
			difficult situation,
		
00:45:11 --> 00:45:13
			it's something that I would fail my chaplaincy
		
00:45:14 --> 00:45:16
			students for saying to someone who comes to
		
00:45:16 --> 00:45:16
			them
		
00:45:17 --> 00:45:19
			with a lot of difficulty if the sum
		
00:45:19 --> 00:45:21
			of their counseling is,
		
00:45:21 --> 00:45:24
			Well, be patient. That's that's not helpful.
		
00:45:24 --> 00:45:25
			Really,
		
00:45:25 --> 00:45:28
			that's not the end of helping someone who
		
00:45:28 --> 00:45:30
			is in a very difficult situation.
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:32
			It might be
		
00:45:33 --> 00:45:35
			the meaning of all of what you're going
		
00:45:35 --> 00:45:37
			to say, but it not, in and of
		
00:45:37 --> 00:45:39
			itself, is not the thing that is necessarily
		
00:45:40 --> 00:45:40
			therapeutic.
		
00:45:42 --> 00:45:43
			And we're gonna talk about therapy.
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:45
			But where does the therapeutic
		
00:45:46 --> 00:45:47
			aspect come?
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:50
			It really comes through the deepest, most important
		
00:45:51 --> 00:45:51
			message
		
00:45:52 --> 00:45:54
			in this story, which is that
		
00:45:57 --> 00:46:00
			whatever we know of the world,
		
00:46:00 --> 00:46:02
			whatever we see of the world,
		
00:46:03 --> 00:46:03
			whatever
		
00:46:04 --> 00:46:07
			evidence there is or we have access to,
		
00:46:08 --> 00:46:10
			is not necessarily
		
00:46:10 --> 00:46:12
			the same as truth,
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:16
			that there is an external reality
		
00:46:16 --> 00:46:18
			and there is an internal reality.
		
00:46:19 --> 00:46:21
			In Arabic, it's called the and the,
		
00:46:22 --> 00:46:24
			the exterior and the interior.
		
00:46:24 --> 00:46:27
			And it is this world that we live
		
00:46:27 --> 00:46:29
			in with all of its evidence and proof
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:31
			will very often
		
00:46:32 --> 00:46:33
			lie to us.
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:35
			It will be untrue,
		
00:46:35 --> 00:46:38
			and that what is true will be hidden.
		
00:46:40 --> 00:46:42
			So if we start with
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:48
			the places where this happens,
		
00:46:49 --> 00:46:52
			Think about let's think about the shirts.
		
00:46:53 --> 00:46:53
			A shirt
		
00:46:54 --> 00:46:54
			is
		
00:46:55 --> 00:46:56
			a kind of,
		
00:46:57 --> 00:46:58
			stand in for the self.
		
00:47:00 --> 00:47:01
			The shirt is
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:04
			like is a stand in, to some extent,
		
00:47:04 --> 00:47:04
			for the person.
		
00:47:06 --> 00:47:09
			The shirt is also what covers your outside.
		
00:47:09 --> 00:47:11
			A shirt, necessarily, is an exterior is something
		
00:47:11 --> 00:47:12
			exterior,
		
00:47:12 --> 00:47:15
			and part of the beauty of this story
		
00:47:15 --> 00:47:17
			is, 1, in the repetition
		
00:47:17 --> 00:47:18
			of this object.
		
00:47:18 --> 00:47:20
			There are 3 shirts that are
		
00:47:21 --> 00:47:25
			that are mentioned or feature as important parts
		
00:47:25 --> 00:47:26
			of this story.
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:29
			The first is the short shirt that the
		
00:47:29 --> 00:47:30
			brothers bring back
		
00:47:30 --> 00:47:33
			with the so called lying blood, the fake
		
00:47:33 --> 00:47:35
			blood that they use as proof
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:39
			that Joseph has been attacked by an animal
		
00:47:39 --> 00:47:39
			and killed.
		
00:47:40 --> 00:47:42
			So here they have the shirt
		
00:47:43 --> 00:47:45
			with the blood on it. Evidence,
		
00:47:45 --> 00:47:46
			right?
		
00:47:46 --> 00:47:49
			But it is false evidence. It is fabricated
		
00:47:49 --> 00:47:52
			evidence. It is evidence that is not true,
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:55
			and the one person in all of the
		
00:47:55 --> 00:47:58
			story who knows that is the one person
		
00:47:58 --> 00:48:00
			who is a prophet, whose knowledge of the
		
00:48:00 --> 00:48:00
			world
		
00:48:01 --> 00:48:03
			does not come from looking at the outside,
		
00:48:03 --> 00:48:04
			but who has
		
00:48:05 --> 00:48:06
			knowledge
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:10
			of the inner reality or inner truth of
		
00:48:10 --> 00:48:12
			things, which is Joseph's father, because he is
		
00:48:12 --> 00:48:14
			a prophet, so he knows
		
00:48:15 --> 00:48:17
			he is given access to some of the
		
00:48:17 --> 00:48:17
			unseen,
		
00:48:18 --> 00:48:19
			and also has insight.
		
00:48:20 --> 00:48:21
			So, here we have
		
00:48:21 --> 00:48:22
			the the epitome
		
00:48:23 --> 00:48:24
			of evidence,
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:26
			of material evidence,
		
00:48:27 --> 00:48:29
			which is the shirt, and it is a
		
00:48:29 --> 00:48:32
			lying shirt. It's not true. It's, in fact,
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:34
			the exact opposite of the truth.
		
00:48:35 --> 00:48:38
			The second shirt is the shirt that Joseph
		
00:48:38 --> 00:48:38
			is wearing
		
00:48:39 --> 00:48:41
			when the woman tries to seduce him, and,
		
00:48:44 --> 00:48:46
			of course, the shirt being ripped is an
		
00:48:46 --> 00:48:48
			attempt for for her
		
00:48:48 --> 00:48:49
			to,
		
00:48:50 --> 00:48:51
			to corrupt
		
00:48:51 --> 00:48:52
			Joseph's
		
00:48:52 --> 00:48:53
			morality.
		
00:48:54 --> 00:48:56
			Again, the shirt is part
		
00:48:57 --> 00:48:59
			of what he is. It is a kind
		
00:48:59 --> 00:49:01
			of synodosh. It's a substitute for who he
		
00:49:01 --> 00:49:02
			is.
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:04
			Here, we have
		
00:49:04 --> 00:49:07
			a shirt that actually is exonerating.
		
00:49:08 --> 00:49:10
			So now we've moved through the story from
		
00:49:10 --> 00:49:12
			a lying shirt to a shirt that tells
		
00:49:12 --> 00:49:13
			the truth.
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:17
			So this shirt gives evidence, but in this
		
00:49:17 --> 00:49:19
			case, the evidence is truthful.
		
00:49:20 --> 00:49:23
			And so we know that Joseph has started
		
00:49:23 --> 00:49:25
			to move through his story
		
00:49:25 --> 00:49:26
			because
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:28
			he has gone from a point where his
		
00:49:28 --> 00:49:29
			shirt is used
		
00:49:30 --> 00:49:32
			to deny the inner reality, where his shirt
		
00:49:32 --> 00:49:34
			is used to prove
		
00:49:34 --> 00:49:36
			the inner reality or the truth.
		
00:49:36 --> 00:49:38
			And this third shirt
		
00:49:38 --> 00:49:39
			is
		
00:49:39 --> 00:49:42
			Joseph shirt that he takes off himself
		
00:49:43 --> 00:49:44
			in order to heal
		
00:49:44 --> 00:49:45
			his father.
		
00:49:46 --> 00:49:48
			And in this case, the shirt is not
		
00:49:48 --> 00:49:49
			only about truth,
		
00:49:50 --> 00:49:51
			but it
		
00:49:52 --> 00:49:55
			it is a it is brings a reconciliation
		
00:49:56 --> 00:49:58
			of the inner and outer. What do I
		
00:49:58 --> 00:49:59
			mean by that?
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:03
			Well, why did his father lose his eyesight?
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:06
			Losing the eyesight means that
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:09
			he no longer can see this world,
		
00:50:09 --> 00:50:11
			yet he is
		
00:50:12 --> 00:50:15
			holds on to what is actually true. The
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:18
			world around him has betrayed the truth.
		
00:50:18 --> 00:50:20
			It has all been lies.
		
00:50:21 --> 00:50:21
			And so
		
00:50:22 --> 00:50:24
			he no longer it no longer serves the
		
00:50:24 --> 00:50:25
			truth.
		
00:50:25 --> 00:50:28
			He has so he loses his sight,
		
00:50:28 --> 00:50:29
			but he maintains
		
00:50:30 --> 00:50:31
			his
		
00:50:31 --> 00:50:33
			absolute faith that there is
		
00:50:34 --> 00:50:36
			that his sons are still alive
		
00:50:36 --> 00:50:37
			and that God will get,
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:39
			him out of this.
		
00:50:40 --> 00:50:40
			So
		
00:50:40 --> 00:50:43
			Joseph, by bringing his shirt, which is exterior,
		
00:50:43 --> 00:50:45
			but bringing it bringing this,
		
00:50:46 --> 00:50:48
			over his father's eyes now,
		
00:50:49 --> 00:50:49
			he heals
		
00:50:50 --> 00:50:52
			the rift between the outer and the inner.
		
00:50:57 --> 00:50:57
			It is also
		
00:50:58 --> 00:51:00
			the case with his brothers.
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:01
			His brothers,
		
00:51:02 --> 00:51:04
			their eyesight is
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:05
			absolutely
		
00:51:06 --> 00:51:06
			fine.
		
00:51:07 --> 00:51:09
			They can see perfectly well,
		
00:51:10 --> 00:51:13
			yet they stand before Joseph and don't recognize
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:13
			him.
		
00:51:14 --> 00:51:16
			He's standing right before them,
		
00:51:17 --> 00:51:19
			but they don't recognize him.
		
00:51:19 --> 00:51:23
			He recognizes them because he is someone who
		
00:51:23 --> 00:51:25
			sees the truth, who knows the
		
00:51:25 --> 00:51:27
			truth. But his brothers are living
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:29
			in a world of lies,
		
00:51:30 --> 00:51:31
			and that's why they cannot
		
00:51:32 --> 00:51:33
			see him until
		
00:51:34 --> 00:51:36
			they go back to Egypt with humility
		
00:51:37 --> 00:51:40
			and start their process of repentance.
		
00:51:40 --> 00:51:42
			And now once they've undergone,
		
00:51:43 --> 00:51:46
			they've started this process of repentance, suddenly
		
00:51:46 --> 00:51:47
			they
		
00:51:47 --> 00:51:48
			become
		
00:51:49 --> 00:51:49
			aware
		
00:51:50 --> 00:51:52
			that this is Joseph. They see him. So
		
00:51:52 --> 00:51:53
			this is this
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:55
			this healing between
		
00:51:56 --> 00:51:58
			their outer sight and the inner truth.
		
00:52:02 --> 00:52:02
			The
		
00:52:03 --> 00:52:06
			hidden theme again and again and again comes
		
00:52:06 --> 00:52:06
			through.
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:09
			There is,
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:11
			the
		
00:52:12 --> 00:52:13
			stored grain.
		
00:52:14 --> 00:52:17
			Think about that that that that in order
		
00:52:17 --> 00:52:19
			for the land of Egypt, for the people
		
00:52:19 --> 00:52:20
			of Egypt
		
00:52:21 --> 00:52:22
			to survive,
		
00:52:23 --> 00:52:26
			they have to hide the grain away for
		
00:52:26 --> 00:52:27
			7 years.
		
00:52:28 --> 00:52:29
			They have to keep it away and out
		
00:52:29 --> 00:52:30
			of sight,
		
00:52:30 --> 00:52:31
			and then
		
00:52:32 --> 00:52:33
			when they need it, they can pull it
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:34
			out.
		
00:52:35 --> 00:52:35
			So there's
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:37
			there's a treasure
		
00:52:38 --> 00:52:40
			that is hidden and kept away for a
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:41
			time.
		
00:52:41 --> 00:52:42
			And unless
		
00:52:43 --> 00:52:46
			unless you are a prophet or unless you
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:48
			have understanding of the unseen,
		
00:52:48 --> 00:52:50
			you will not be prepared to do that.
		
00:52:50 --> 00:52:52
			You will not have patience. You'll go and
		
00:52:52 --> 00:52:54
			you'll you'll dig into those stores, and you'll
		
00:52:54 --> 00:52:56
			eat all of that up, and you won't
		
00:52:56 --> 00:52:59
			realize that whatever sacrifice it took
		
00:52:59 --> 00:53:01
			to store that away, whatever difficulty
		
00:53:02 --> 00:53:03
			you underwent
		
00:53:04 --> 00:53:06
			during those 7 years was for a reason.
		
00:53:07 --> 00:53:10
			The reason was so that after, you wouldn't
		
00:53:10 --> 00:53:10
			starve.
		
00:53:11 --> 00:53:15
			So that is part of we have to
		
00:53:16 --> 00:53:19
			we have to accept that some things will
		
00:53:19 --> 00:53:19
			remain
		
00:53:20 --> 00:53:21
			unseen and hidden,
		
00:53:22 --> 00:53:24
			and will be will ripen and come out
		
00:53:24 --> 00:53:26
			at the time when they're really necessary
		
00:53:27 --> 00:53:29
			and when it's good and right for us.
		
00:53:29 --> 00:53:30
			Similarly,
		
00:53:31 --> 00:53:32
			when Joseph
		
00:53:32 --> 00:53:33
			hides the goblet,
		
00:53:35 --> 00:53:36
			the goblet inside
		
00:53:36 --> 00:53:37
			the pack,
		
00:53:38 --> 00:53:41
			so he now he now is creating
		
00:53:42 --> 00:53:43
			the situation where,
		
00:53:44 --> 00:53:44
			where
		
00:53:45 --> 00:53:46
			the unseen,
		
00:53:46 --> 00:53:47
			again,
		
00:53:48 --> 00:53:50
			is what is hidden and unseen
		
00:53:52 --> 00:53:53
			is in contradiction
		
00:53:53 --> 00:53:55
			to the truth, but he does that in
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:56
			order,
		
00:53:57 --> 00:53:59
			in a way, to to let his brothers
		
00:54:00 --> 00:54:02
			start that process of awareness of what they
		
00:54:02 --> 00:54:04
			have done by
		
00:54:04 --> 00:54:07
			doing the same thing that they had done.
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:14
			Now, the goblet, we could say is is,
		
00:54:14 --> 00:54:16
			it reminds us of a crucible.
		
00:54:18 --> 00:54:21
			A crucible is something in which which can,
		
00:54:22 --> 00:54:23
			which can hold,
		
00:54:23 --> 00:54:26
			you know, hold a substance and be heated
		
00:54:26 --> 00:54:27
			at a very high
		
00:54:28 --> 00:54:31
			temperature. It's that when we talk about about
		
00:54:31 --> 00:54:33
			someone in the crucible, we talk about someone
		
00:54:33 --> 00:54:34
			who's going through such difficulty.
		
00:54:36 --> 00:54:39
			They're going through the fires. Abraham going through
		
00:54:39 --> 00:54:41
			the fire, so his faith can come out
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:41
			pure.
		
00:54:42 --> 00:54:44
			So we have this this is
		
00:54:44 --> 00:54:46
			this is a kind of archetypal
		
00:54:48 --> 00:54:49
			symbol
		
00:54:49 --> 00:54:50
			throughout storytelling.
		
00:54:52 --> 00:54:54
			And let's think about what the crucibles are,
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:57
			and really the settings are the crucible.
		
00:54:58 --> 00:54:59
			So if we think about the well and
		
00:54:59 --> 00:55:00
			the prison,
		
00:55:01 --> 00:55:03
			here we are. We have we have Joseph
		
00:55:04 --> 00:55:07
			like that grain being stored in a grain
		
00:55:07 --> 00:55:10
			silo, or like this goblet being pushed down.
		
00:55:10 --> 00:55:11
			He is
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:14
			he is in this crucible. He is in
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:17
			this difficult situation in this very tight, narrow,
		
00:55:17 --> 00:55:18
			confined space
		
00:55:19 --> 00:55:22
			where he can't interact very much with the
		
00:55:22 --> 00:55:22
			world?
		
00:55:23 --> 00:55:26
			What is the thing that purifies him,
		
00:55:26 --> 00:55:27
			that makes him
		
00:55:28 --> 00:55:29
			red prophecy,
		
00:55:30 --> 00:55:32
			that makes him go from someone who,
		
00:55:33 --> 00:55:35
			at the beginning, doesn't know the meaning of
		
00:55:35 --> 00:55:36
			his own dream,
		
00:55:37 --> 00:55:38
			has to ask his father
		
00:55:38 --> 00:55:40
			to being the person
		
00:55:40 --> 00:55:41
			who can
		
00:55:41 --> 00:55:42
			interpret dreams.
		
00:55:45 --> 00:55:48
			It is by going through that crucible, by
		
00:55:48 --> 00:55:50
			being pulled away from the world, by being
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:53
			hidden from the world for a time, so
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55
			he can go through this process of maturation,
		
00:55:55 --> 00:55:56
			and of understanding,
		
00:55:57 --> 00:55:59
			of going inside deep, and understanding
		
00:56:00 --> 00:56:01
			the reality
		
00:56:02 --> 00:56:02
			and the truth
		
00:56:03 --> 00:56:03
			of
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:06
			of the universe, of the cosmos.
		
00:56:09 --> 00:56:12
			So the dreams are also we have this
		
00:56:12 --> 00:56:14
			going deep into something dark. Joseph in the
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:17
			well. Joseph in the prison. The grain hidden
		
00:56:17 --> 00:56:19
			in the stores. The goblet
		
00:56:19 --> 00:56:21
			stuck down in the merch in the in
		
00:56:21 --> 00:56:22
			the bag,
		
00:56:23 --> 00:56:26
			and then the dreams, of course, 3 dreams
		
00:56:26 --> 00:56:29
			throughout, and 3 is a is also an
		
00:56:29 --> 00:56:31
			archetypal kind of number for storytelling, right? We
		
00:56:31 --> 00:56:32
			had 3 shirts,
		
00:56:33 --> 00:56:33
			we have,
		
00:56:34 --> 00:56:37
			we have a series of 3 dreams as
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:37
			well.
		
00:56:37 --> 00:56:40
			His initial dream where he sees the sun,
		
00:56:40 --> 00:56:42
			and the moon, and the stars prostrating in
		
00:56:42 --> 00:56:45
			front of him, and then the prisoners
		
00:56:45 --> 00:56:48
			who narrate the dream in the prison,
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:51
			and then the king who narrates his dream.
		
00:56:51 --> 00:56:54
			So, but these are not only
		
00:56:55 --> 00:56:55
			just themes
		
00:56:56 --> 00:56:57
			that go throughout.
		
00:56:57 --> 00:56:59
			A dream itself is
		
00:57:00 --> 00:57:00
			unreal.
		
00:57:01 --> 00:57:02
			It's knowledge
		
00:57:02 --> 00:57:03
			that does not reflect
		
00:57:04 --> 00:57:05
			the
		
00:57:05 --> 00:57:08
			material world around us. It is,
		
00:57:08 --> 00:57:10
			it is meaning
		
00:57:10 --> 00:57:13
			and a message cloaked in metaphor and symbolism,
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:16
			and so he needs to be able to
		
00:57:17 --> 00:57:17
			interpret
		
00:57:18 --> 00:57:19
			and understand
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:22
			what it is. So who is the the
		
00:57:22 --> 00:57:23
			person who can interpret?
		
00:57:23 --> 00:57:26
			It is the one who really is is
		
00:57:26 --> 00:57:28
			guided by God, in particular,
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:29
			the prophets.
		
00:57:29 --> 00:57:32
			So this is why at the very beginning,
		
00:57:33 --> 00:57:35
			Joseph's father says to him
		
00:57:36 --> 00:57:37
			says to
		
00:57:37 --> 00:57:39
			him, your Lord will teach you the interpretation
		
00:57:40 --> 00:57:40
			of events.
		
00:57:41 --> 00:57:44
			So this is a whole process that that,
		
00:57:45 --> 00:57:47
			Joseph goes through so he understands
		
00:57:48 --> 00:57:50
			it's not just to be a soothsayer or,
		
00:57:50 --> 00:57:52
			you know, some kind of dream interpreter, but
		
00:57:52 --> 00:57:53
			to actually understand and realize that, there is,
		
00:58:02 --> 00:58:03
			We may not understand
		
00:58:03 --> 00:58:06
			it at that time except for those prophets
		
00:58:06 --> 00:58:08
			and those who are given insight by God
		
00:58:08 --> 00:58:10
			into the meaning at that moment,
		
00:58:11 --> 00:58:13
			but an absolute conviction
		
00:58:13 --> 00:58:14
			that
		
00:58:15 --> 00:58:16
			there is a reality
		
00:58:17 --> 00:58:18
			and that this world,
		
00:58:18 --> 00:58:20
			very often will be deceptive.
		
00:58:22 --> 00:58:24
			I'd like to say, finally, and then open
		
00:58:24 --> 00:58:24
			up
		
00:58:25 --> 00:58:27
			some time for discussion,
		
00:58:28 --> 00:58:28
			that
		
00:58:29 --> 00:58:32
			I believe in a, you know, not only
		
00:58:32 --> 00:58:32
			is
		
00:58:33 --> 00:58:36
			this story teaches us many, many things.
		
00:58:37 --> 00:58:39
			As I said before, I believe it is,
		
00:58:42 --> 00:58:44
			in itself, the fact that it is a
		
00:58:44 --> 00:58:44
			beautiful
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:47
			story, that the Quran calls it a beautiful
		
00:58:47 --> 00:58:50
			story, it tells us that that this is
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:51
			a discourse that's important.
		
00:58:52 --> 00:58:55
			It is valid. It is beautiful. It is
		
00:58:55 --> 00:58:55
			beneficial.
		
00:58:56 --> 00:58:58
			It is an important way of
		
00:58:59 --> 00:59:00
			conveying messages
		
00:59:00 --> 00:59:01
			and information
		
00:59:02 --> 00:59:04
			in a pastoral context, in a congregational
		
00:59:05 --> 00:59:05
			context.
		
00:59:06 --> 00:59:09
			So we need we need to understand the
		
00:59:09 --> 00:59:11
			importance of storytelling and become good storytellers.
		
00:59:14 --> 00:59:16
			But I also think that,
		
00:59:17 --> 00:59:20
			again, as someone who works sometimes in a
		
00:59:20 --> 00:59:23
			chaplaincy context or a pastoral context, I believe
		
00:59:23 --> 00:59:26
			that that the Joseph story is a beautiful
		
00:59:27 --> 00:59:28
			healing story,
		
00:59:28 --> 00:59:29
			that the process
		
00:59:30 --> 00:59:30
			of
		
00:59:31 --> 00:59:32
			reading the story
		
00:59:32 --> 00:59:35
			again and again can in itself
		
00:59:37 --> 00:59:38
			help heal
		
00:59:39 --> 00:59:39
			people
		
00:59:40 --> 00:59:42
			because it's very difficult for people who have
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:43
			been traumatized
		
00:59:43 --> 00:59:45
			to always directly address
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:49
			the point of their trauma, and sometimes it
		
00:59:49 --> 00:59:50
			can make it worse.
		
00:59:51 --> 00:59:53
			But, a story that is filled with metaphor
		
00:59:54 --> 00:59:54
			and symbolism,
		
00:59:55 --> 00:59:57
			and that takes you through
		
00:59:58 --> 00:59:59
			these crucibles
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:01
			and brings you out,
		
01:00:02 --> 01:00:03
			is
		
01:00:03 --> 01:00:06
			a way of bringing you through a process,
		
01:00:06 --> 01:00:07
			a healing process,
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:09
			that is not
		
01:00:10 --> 01:00:12
			that might not directly,
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:13
			exacerbate
		
01:00:14 --> 01:00:16
			the personal trauma you have,
		
01:00:16 --> 01:00:17
			but
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19
			give that recognition to the traumatic
		
01:00:20 --> 01:00:20
			experience,
		
01:00:21 --> 01:00:24
			that you have and that you know about.
		
01:00:24 --> 01:00:27
			As I said before, when someone throws off
		
01:00:27 --> 01:00:29
			in a kind of thinking they're being helpful,
		
01:00:30 --> 01:00:32
			saying something like, Well, be patient. Be patient
		
01:00:32 --> 01:00:33
			with your suffering,
		
01:00:34 --> 01:00:36
			as if the person isn't just trying to
		
01:00:36 --> 01:00:38
			hold on. You know, very often it's a
		
01:00:38 --> 01:00:41
			kind of throwaway line, whereas what is shown
		
01:00:41 --> 01:00:43
			here is anyone who's,
		
01:00:43 --> 01:00:44
			who's been,
		
01:00:44 --> 01:00:46
			seriously depressed,
		
01:00:46 --> 01:00:48
			or in deep mourning,
		
01:00:48 --> 01:00:50
			or in a situation that was just intractable,
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:51
			Anyone,
		
01:01:00 --> 01:01:01
			get out of that.
		
01:01:03 --> 01:01:04
			Anyone,
		
01:01:04 --> 01:01:07
			you know, I think everyone knows a little
		
01:01:07 --> 01:01:09
			bit of it, and many of us
		
01:01:10 --> 01:01:10
			know
		
01:01:11 --> 01:01:14
			at a at a very deep level what
		
01:01:14 --> 01:01:15
			that feels like.
		
01:01:15 --> 01:01:16
			So
		
01:01:16 --> 01:01:18
			to have that experience
		
01:01:19 --> 01:01:20
			being retold
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22
			through a story
		
01:01:22 --> 01:01:23
			that is manageable,
		
01:01:23 --> 01:01:24
			that can be told,
		
01:01:25 --> 01:01:27
			and repeated again, and has
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:31
			these multiple levels of symbolism.
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:35
			I believe, it's my theory, that this can
		
01:01:35 --> 01:01:37
			be an extremely healing
		
01:01:37 --> 01:01:38
			story.
		
01:01:38 --> 01:01:39
			So, I recommend
		
01:01:40 --> 01:01:42
			that also in that context.
		
01:01:43 --> 01:01:45
			It's not just moralistic. It's not just listen
		
01:01:45 --> 01:01:46
			to the lessons and this is what we
		
01:01:46 --> 01:01:49
			do, but the actual story itself
		
01:01:50 --> 01:01:52
			with all of its beauty, with its plot
		
01:01:52 --> 01:01:53
			and symbols,
		
01:01:53 --> 01:01:54
			and repetition
		
01:01:55 --> 01:01:56
			of different themes,
		
01:01:57 --> 01:01:58
			and the crucible, and the hiddenness,
		
01:02:01 --> 01:02:03
			is something that appeals at a very deep
		
01:02:03 --> 01:02:04
			level
		
01:02:04 --> 01:02:05
			to the human imagination,
		
01:02:06 --> 01:02:07
			perhaps even to our unconscious,
		
01:02:08 --> 01:02:10
			and can help
		
01:02:10 --> 01:02:11
			with
		
01:02:12 --> 01:02:13
			the healing process, and there are so many
		
01:02:13 --> 01:02:15
			people who need healing.
		
01:02:16 --> 01:02:18
			So with that, I'd like to close and,
		
01:02:19 --> 01:02:22
			offer an opportunity for some comments or questions.
		
01:02:22 --> 01:02:23
			Thank you.