Imtiaz Sooliman – SABC Robinson Somalia Interview Sooliman Gift of the Givers

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The speakers discuss the loss of life and negative publicity in various countries due to the lack of functioning government and the need for people to get food and water. They emphasize the importance of building relationships with people to avoid harm and negotiating attitude to avoid harm. The success of their team in South Africa and the importance of their relationship with the African Union are also highlighted. The speakers emphasize the need for support from the government and the public to address issues related to South Africa, and express their belief that South Africa is a compassionate nation and will respond to the situation.

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			Somalia doctor, welcomes. Nice
speaking to you. Good evening.
		
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			Thank you very much. I've asked
the question in the first part of
		
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			this program, but how did this
particular operation differ from
		
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			others that you've done in other
parts of the world, in Haiti and
		
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			Pakistan and Iran and so forth.
Every operation is different, but
		
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			this has been the biggest one, the
most tragic, the greatest loss of
		
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			life, the greatest support from
South Africa, and our biggest
		
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			project in our 19 year history.
It's very challenging in terms of
		
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			going to a country that has no
proper functioning government that
		
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			is under war that has only five or
six kilometers of the city under
		
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			its control, that has au forces in
sight, that has people who don't
		
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			know who they are, who the enemy
is, in inverted commas, they could
		
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			be very ordinary people who target
foreigners, specifically,
		
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			especially media and people from
different countries. Social
		
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			bombers take you out. You need
your own security, your own
		
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			compound. You need to get food in.
Beside the famine and the volume
		
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			of people, the sheer numbers of
people require attention, the
		
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			areas to get to, the shortage of
water, no functioning streets, no
		
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			proper roads. There's potholes
between roads. I mean, it's so
		
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			badly destroyed. And besides that,
you have a 21 year history of war,
		
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			those people require surgical
intervention. And besides that,
		
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			you have normal people for the
last 21 years with very normal
		
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			diseases who require attention
also. So you have to factor all
		
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			these things in, and the fact that
Mogadishu and Somalia has such
		
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			negative publicity over the last
few years that nobody wants to go
		
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			in. How do you learn? What do you
do? How do you get in? The sea is
		
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			closed because of answer some of
those questions. How do you get
		
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			in? For instance, if there's no
functional government, how do you
		
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			arrange to get in? Well, I went in
on the 20th of July. My luck is I
		
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			met the president, the prime
minister, and those people who
		
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			went control at that time, and
just to explain how things change,
		
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			48 hours later, the entire
government was replaced. You know,
		
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			no cabinet was changed, but it
gave me enough time to see the
		
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			camps on the ground, to meet South
Africans who were working the
		
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			airport in Mogadishu, who were
involved in the clearance of cargo
		
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			and in also inside the stone
forces, there were South Africans
		
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			were involved in the EU forces.
And they said, Look, you can land
		
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			here. Basically the civil
servants, wherever they are, are
		
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			running the country. So he said,
let's take a chance. And we flew
		
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			the first plane in, and it went in
very smoothly. We arranged through
		
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			I had a Somali on the ground who
lives in South Africa, who's
		
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			working with me for the last six
years, because we were involved in
		
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			puntaland, in the tsunami, you
know, in 2004 Yeah. So I know him
		
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			from then, and the key factor here
is, how do you negotiate your
		
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			attitude towards people, building
relationships, strengthening ties
		
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			with all people, knowing the
different clans, knowing the
		
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			mentality, the mindset. And you
need somebody who understands all
		
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			that. This man, Dr Hashi,
understood all that, and letting
		
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			that link, we open up all the
doors together. You told us
		
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			earlier about the bad publicity of
Somalia. What kind of a people are
		
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			they? Because we, we hear about
the pirates at sea and the Al
		
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			Shabaab and how terrible it is and
so on, but they are the people.
		
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			Not all of them can be like that.
No, the first relationship with
		
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			Somalis was in harfun. And then,
of course, in South Africa,
		
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			there's a huge Somali community.
In South Africa, it's not
		
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			consistent to see the Somali
community and then walking with
		
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			guns. It just doesn't match.
Because they are such a docile
		
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			people, so calm, so hospitable, so
loving, they won't harm a fly. So
		
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			it doesn't make sense to see them
with guns. You know, yes, they are
		
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			clans. There are people because
now for survival of fittest, but
		
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			deep down, wonderful people. The
main I'm gonna explain to you how
		
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			the lady in the front of the queue
went to the back of the queue. The
		
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			other phenomenon about Somalis is
they, if there's a program like
		
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			this, they'll bring all the kids
first. Even the doctors witnessed
		
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			it in the hospital that we set up
the first few days, only the
		
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			children were brought, then the
pregnant women came, then the
		
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			normal women and last men. So they
are very giving, very patient and
		
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			a very, you know, resilient people
who won't harm a fly. They want to
		
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			invite you into their homes. They
want to share with you what they
		
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			don't have. So they are a warm,
wonderful people. You fall in love
		
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			with them. Every member of the
team I took in 9794 people, all of
		
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			them fell in love with the
Somalis. And then you spoke about
		
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			relationships earlier. But
obviously he was also work with
		
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			the with the African Union. He was
work with the UN and with other
		
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			organizations. Tell us a little
bit about that, the interaction
		
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			that you would have, that you had
for those organizations. Well,
		
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			when we went in, you know, the AU
forces, we met the Ugandan
		
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			component, I couldn't low check.
Low, look, sorry, low catch. He
		
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			was very humble guy. We met him.
Then, from the civilian sector,
		
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			there was a lady called Jackie
amamo. We met her. We immediately
		
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			bonded, because Colonel low catch
has trained in South Africa. He
		
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			was, you know, it was common
ground for him. So already the
		
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			link was made. And I think the
biggest asset we had is that we
		
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			were from South Africa. South
Africa is a big name.
		
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			Mean Africa, it's a big name in
the world, and we African, the
		
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			fact that we came from Africa, as
an African organization, everybody
		
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			embraced us. The mayor and the
governor received us at the
		
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			airport. And just today, just
today, before I came on to the
		
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			program, I got a call from my man
on the ground to say, the
		
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			president of the country, what six
ministers from cabinet visited the
		
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			hospital that we took over and
said, send a special message to
		
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			South Africa that we thank our
African brothers for coming to our
		
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			aid. And that has you know that
link with the May and the May and
		
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			the governor brought them to the
hospital, because when we got
		
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			there the first day, the governor
was cheering and the mayor was
		
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			steering, and all the
commissioners of the 16 districts
		
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			met us, and they said, please come
to my district. Please come to my
		
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			district. My need is bigger than
their need. But wherever you go,
		
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			you are most welcome. So actually,
the foot soldiers, the
		
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			commissioners, the mayor and the
governor, open the government for
		
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			us. And then you mentioned earlier
that you also have support from
		
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			the South African government here,
but also generally about the
		
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			public here, because you need a
lot of money for this kind of
		
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			thing, isn't it? Give us a picture
of that kind of logistical side of
		
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			it, dealing with the South African
government, the public and
		
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			institutions here, the country,
has been absolutely phenomenal. A
		
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			special thank you to all South
Africans watching this
		
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			parliamentary you guys made it
happen. The government came to our
		
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			site. I was invited to Parliament
to speak to the International
		
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			Relations Committee, and I said
very clearly how we need to
		
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			respond greatly. Government has
given us 4 million grand already.
		
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			We have been given two Defense
Force planes. But besides that,
		
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			the different structures of
government, the civil servants,
		
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			the hospitals, the police force on
Friday, the police services in
		
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			pubalanga gave us whole lot of
aid. SARS has given us aid, you
		
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			know, in cash, which they don't
normally do, different
		
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			departments, ministers, MPs speak
of the legislatures all have
		
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			gotten from province three house
and trailers of stuff came the
		
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			government took me over to the EU
conference. So in every sector of
		
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			government, day with us. Tomorrow,
we meet in the treasury. They've
		
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			asked us to brief them on how they
can put bigger input into Somalia.
		
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			So the government has been
phenomenal. The media, your group,
		
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			I mean, they've carried the
picture home, and people have
		
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			responded to this picture.
Corporates have come like never
		
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			before to the party. I mean,
corporates normally to be planned,
		
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			like to take the register. We gave
something this time. It wasn't
		
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			taking the register. It was a
really, genuinely felt ordinary
		
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			people said, I can give only one
breath. That's all I have. And
		
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			they gave the one that school,
kids, churches, mosques, temples,
		
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			everybody got together and said,
we want to do collecting cans,
		
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			collecting toys. The country has
been moving. 50 million people
		
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			have been mobilized in South
Africa. When Jerry Rollins came,
		
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			you know, three or four weeks ago
to South Africa, he said, I've
		
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			never seen anything like this in
the history of the African
		
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			continent, where entire nation is
mobilized to Africa. Tell us just
		
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			lastly, if you reflect now of what
you've done in Somalia and some of
		
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			the other missions, what do you
think about humanity and how we
		
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			interact with each other? I think
I can speak specifically for South
		
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			Africa. South Africa, the Somali
said, South Africans are an Ubuntu
		
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			nation. They will not leave us
alone. They said, we've been we
		
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			are a forgotten people for 21
years. But if anybody comes to our
		
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			aid, it will be South Africans.
They said, black, white, Indian,
		
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			colored. They are a compassionate
people. They will respond to us.
		
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			We're afraid they will come. And
when we came, they said, You see,
		
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			we told you they will come because
we know they have compassionate
		
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			hearts. There are people that
stand out for Africa and for the
		
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			world. Doctor, thank you and good
luck. Thank you well that the
		
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			state of the fruit and as a evil
command tower leaves great
		
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			Harrison horse by Robinson.