Imtiaz Sooliman – A look at the economics of migration
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The speakers discuss the use of "force" as a threat and the importance of not using it. They also touch on the migration of people to Europe and the potential for new unrest. The discussion turns to the burden of taking children into homes and the potential for social unrest and division. The conversation shifts to the crisis in Syria and the need for a solution, with the speakers expressing concern and caution. The conversation also touches on the theory that migrants bring screams to create a "brighter economy" and the potential for people to get angry.
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Walk me back. You know, it's a force, the
threat, the use of threat as a force. But you don't actually use
the Force. Just, you know, we can use it if you want to, but we
don't want to use it. We don't see any more loss of life. We don't
want to see any further development of the conflict. We
ought to see the end, because one more life lost is a life lost too
much. And people inside today. You see it. They come to your
hospital. They're anxious, they tense, they're traumatized. The
kids don't know what's going on. They're hungry. At one point,
they're eating cats, they're eating rats, they're eating grass.
There's no water. They go and live on the banks of the river. And I
tell my teams, why are you putting them on the banks of the river?
When winter comes, the river is going to swell, they're going to
move again. He said, My Friend, find me a place. Where must I put
them? It's there's no safe place in Syria. For now, they'll have to
stay on the banks of the river. When the water comes. We'll worry
about the movement then, but for now, we can't do anything. And
there's migration all the time. Kids never know when they're going
to move next. I met an old lady in a school. She said, Look, I'm
staying in the school, but I now want to die because as its forces
know where the school is, you're going to bomb it soon, and you're
going to die. But I'm tired of running. It's just mind boggling.
It's just crazy. If we move to Europe now. So the fact is, these
people are on the move. There's some taking this incredibly
treacherous journey, but then we have these frontline states, so
Hungary, Greece accepting a lot of the refugees. They're feeling
burdened. Germany says the there should be a quota system. It
should be shared out. What do you think about the not the economics,
the human element of the way this is being treated and should be
treated? Look, the response is reasonably good, I would say,
given the crisis in Europe, what the bailout required for Greece?
The economy is suffering. Spain, Portugal, Ireland, you know,
Greece all had problems in in Europe and finances, the cash is
not there as it was before. And in times of all, Europe has supported
refugee situations throughout the world. And there's two issues
here, one is the government and one is the people. Germany has set
an example, both the government and the people said, Yes, welcome,
come to the country. It all depends on who has economy,
because Greece has is battling to meet the bailout. They need
bailout and not even have these refugees burning them. It's very
tragic situation. I'm not saying they must not accept refugees, but
you understand their situation. They have problems from their own
population, where austerity measures have to be taken and they
have, they have going to have revolt in their own country from
their own people. Are they going to deal with the revolt from the
people? Are they going to deal with the refugees? So if richer
countries, Britain, Australia, Germany, can take more refugees in
and and as the Pope said, please take them in your homes. Once you
take them in your homes, homes, and the civilians and the
residential population comes in and say, Okay, we will take them.
The burden is taken away from the government. I don't know if the
government say, Okay, I'll pay you 1000 euros or something for
keeping them in your house. I don't know. But if families take
them, it takes the burden off the states. And if that can be done in
Europe by more affluent people, it will help relieve the burden on
the governments. The problem, however, is, and I'm so interested
in the change of heart that's happened after the publication of
a picture of a dead little boy, which the media is cautious about,
and should be. But an incredible change, it seems, in public
sentiment. So like you say, people saying, come into our homes. But
what in years to come, when, when? Maybe the costs are rising. Maybe
there's a bit of social unrest, division, new communities rising
up. Do you think this goodwill can can last? Depends on circumstances
in the country. If the economy is get bad, it is job losses, it is
unemployment. If the Chinese Fallout causes a big problem, you
know, and shares and stock markets collapse, and you find the world
economies are we go back to 2008 it's going to be a serious crisis.
People, well, want to take care of the refugees, but they'll find the
stress of looking after them is going to become a problem. So
there's not a permanent solution. The solution really they have to
go back home, and the only way to do that is to stop the war in
Syria. And if you ask any refugee from anywhere in the world, his
country, if his country is stable, he wants to go back home. So your
hope, I guess, is that the world will focus on Syria and deal with
Syria. That that's what you're saying. That's what we have to do.
I'm saying use Europe. What has happened Europe as the door to go
back to Syria. Don't say everybody come out of Syria and go to
Europe, that's wrong. Use this as a means of educating the world and
say, You know what? We're running away from the crisis that's taking
place there. We need to refocus and get back inside there and
stops. Because, of course, Germany saying we will accept refugees
from Syria again could encourage a huge outflux. I was interested
today, an NGO, calling itself air refugees, I think, is saying, Why
should we make the ensure that the way is perilous? Why can't we set
up a charted flight? Because you won't get on a commercial flight
and help Syrians to move out. But again, then you have the problem
of a country being dead.
Summated and failing to recover in the long run. No, we're not. We're
not solving the problem. We just want to encourage more and more
people to leave. It's going to encourage further fighting in the
country. It's going to say the world is looking the other way
whilst we bombing and killing. It's giving the wrong message.
You're giving a totally wrong message to us. Attendance forces.
You have to send the world into Syria and use use the UN why is it
that this country, I mean, this is the first country in the war
situation. I don't see media in the country. When I walked into
Syria, I asked, Have I come to the right place? They said, What do
you mean? I said, when you walked into Bosnia, you saw all the
satellite dishes, the vans, the UN every type of aid agency do what?
In the middle of a war zone, you'll have to dig for them to
find them inside Syria. They're not there. It's like a silent war.
Journalists have been killed, and it's, it's scary, I guess. As
well, journalists have been killing every other war, too.
Journalists love stories. They go into war zones. They're not afraid
to go into war zones. They look for that kind of stories. For some
reason, the world has moved away from Syria, and it's a silent war.
Yeah,
there's a final thing, if we, if we talk about the economics, and I
don't know if, because I guess you're always in the battle rather
than in the aftermath, but there is a theory that that migrants, in
the end, help create vibrancy, vibrancy in the in the economy.
They are people who are very resilient. I saw a Western German
town say, come we're stagnating and we're old and and tired, we
meet our young people, Steve Jobs, the the son of Syrian migrants. Do
you see that? I guess that that human spirit? Yes, that can
happen. It depends on the type of skills the migrants bring with
them, and they bring bring screams. They can benefit the
economy. Yes, they will benefit the economy. But what millions of
people coming out. Everybody doesn't have that skill. Many of
them are women and children, which then becomes, you know, like a
burden. For a better word on on people. And then I'm afraid it may
turn around and people may get angry, as we spoke about earlier.
All right, well, we'll have to follow this dire situation. Thank
you for your insight. That was MTS Suleiman from gift of the given.