Hosai Mojaddidi – Screenagers Growing Up in the Digital Age & Sidi Ali Bishop

Hosai Mojaddidi
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The speakers discuss the potential risks of social media and the lack of trust in parents during the pandemic. They encourage parents to use social media to communicate and encourage parents to be open-minded. The importance of healthy boundaries for children is emphasized, along with the need to be aware of one's mental health and rewthink the event of the "weird day." The speakers also emphasize the importance of finding something for one's own mental health and rewinding events, including the "weird day." They stress the need to be open-minded and respectful of children, and provide takeaways on the importance of digital literacy and digital literacy for children.
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So as I'm looking at the crowd hunkered down, we have a really

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good turnout. And so first and foremost, I want to say the

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sisters are outnumbering the brothers. So any brothers who

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might be in the the local area that says fill it up?

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First of all,

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tell Harun or heaviness here, again, my name is Brother, I mean,

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the first thing I want to do is, is to pick MCC for hosting this

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event.

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Because this event,

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touches just everyone in this room.

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The topic, the topic actually touches everyone in this room.

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And no, it's called Screen agers tending toward the teenagers. But

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really, we have everyone in this room is affected, whether you're

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under the age of 13, whether you're over the age of 18.

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So again, we have no cards going around. So if you have any

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comments that you'd like to, to bring to the panel, then we'd be

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more than happy to answer any of those questions. So again, my name

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is Brother, I lead the show. I am actually a mental health

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therapist, at one of our bay area high schools in New York, Newark,

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Newark Memorial High School, I have actually a independent

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therapist, hired by the high school to come into the high

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school to do individual and group therapy with the high school

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students there.

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My the end of knowledge is to actually understand where you're

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getting this knowledge. So you need to know a little bit about

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the panel who you're getting information from. So I'm going to

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briefly Inshallah, let you know my educational background. And then

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I'm going to turn it over to system aside, and then she'll talk

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a little bit about first. So my background, I am actually a

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master's in social work.

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I actually did my undergrad at Sac State University.

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And I did my grad my undergrad work and in social work, that the

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clinical track I took was clinical mental health.

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My field work was done in nonprofit sector in Sacramento.

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The majority of my work started in alcohol and substance abuse.

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And so when the film started to talk about addiction,

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that resonated deeply with me.

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Because what we see in addiction with computer screens and iPhones

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and gaming, this this is exactly what individuals who are going

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through narcotic alcohol addiction.

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So my whole background, my undergraduate was was in the field

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of alcohol and substance use and abuse.

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When I did my graduate work, I did it in Cal State University. Cal

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State East Bay.

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Go players. All right.

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Thank you.

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I'm trying to lighten the mood, right, just trying to bring

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everyone so

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my graduate study. I actually did that in social work as well. So

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I'm a master's in social work. Again, I took the clinical mental

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health track.

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I did school based

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mental health therapy. So one of my field placements was kiddie of

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elementary school, where I was educated in play therapy. Or I've

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worked with young children who have been traumatized, victimized,

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and going through severe grief and loss. And I and I was trained in

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play therapy, where I would help these young children get through

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those trauma time, those traumatic times that they were facing in

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their lives. My second year, I went to the high school.

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And I wanted to stay on the school system because I wanted to make a

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huge impact impact in the youth before they become adults.

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The high school that I interned in was the high school I'm currently

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employed. So a high school principal came to me and he said

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the work that you're doing is so critical. Can you be can you be

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with this full time and I said absolutely. So I have been now a

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high school therapist independently contracted in the

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high school. So I am dealing with

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teenage teenagers who are going through anxiety, depression, grief

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and loss.

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So I have

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heavy

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therapy work was in the high school. And a lot of it is around

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social media. So I am very honored by

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this mission and the board of this ministry to invite me here, and

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hopefully be of some help

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as we talk about this subject, so that is about me, that's who I am.

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That's how you know where you're getting some information from. The

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last point before I turn it over the student side, I want to I want

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to, again, thank MCC because this video, we actually we did,

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we did a panel at MCA. In the South Bay did it out of this town,

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I was told that this film is over $600 to rent.

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So the masjid cares so much about this community that it would spin

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$600 and some change to render this film, and then send it back

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to the producers.

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So I am just an Austro that our communities are embracing this

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film, sharing this film and discussing this film. And so

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again, I just want to thank MCC for having me here. I am now going

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to turn it over to my colleague system such as a hello favorite,

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and inshallah so many

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so that was set up. So

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when we're setting seed in our venue, where have you been a

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little rough on instead of one and

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I am very honored as brother to be here with all of you.

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My background is not as elaborate as further uglies. I am. By

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profession I used to teach now I'm a homeschool mother and home. But

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I also do, I'm at mental health advocate, which I've been doing

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for several years, my myself as my cousin document started a website

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called mental health for Muslims about close to eight years ago.

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And since then, I've had a couple of the opportunity to speak to

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different communities throughout California and the country about

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various mental health issues. And many times.

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Many times those discussions have come back to this topic of social

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media and the concern that parents as well as teens have about mental

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health.

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It's not a semester program, we're gonna have at least one appearance

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or

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so many times these discussions have centered around this issue of

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social media, I can't count how many private conversations I've

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had here in this community and other communities here in the Bay

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Area in Southern California, with parents, especially many times

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really, really concerned parents, like what do I do? Do I indulge?

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My child has been asking you for months, you know, for a smartphone

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twice you let them on this particular app? Or should I say

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no? You know, what kind of boundaries should I create? So

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there's a deep concern, and it's absolutely, you know, there's

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reason for it, we know we watch this film, but if you're paying

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attention at all, what's happening in our world, we know that there

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are absolute inherent dangers of social media. And it's our

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responsibility as parents to look out for our teams. So, you know,

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these these grievances, these concerns are definitely warranted.

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And I've also heard from teams who are really worried or not worried

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more so frustrated, I would say frustrated with the fact that they

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feel that their parents are being too strict and putting too many

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limitations on them. Or there's a, you know, lack of trust in their

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relationship. And they feel like, you know, they really have no

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options, there's a lot of tension in the home because of this topic.

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So hearing from both perspectives isn't really for me eye opening,

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because I can see where both groups are coming from. And that's

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why these types of events are so important, because what we're

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trying to do here is we're trying to encourage dialogue, one of the

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things the generational gap that I think, you know, happens naturally

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between parents and children is that sometimes discussions stuck,

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right? It's just my way that's it, right? If your team does that

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happen to you, right? When you when you bring up something and

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then the discussion, sort of just any, because parents obviously

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don't want to, you know, make, you know, do do something or make the

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wrong sort of judgment call. So it's just easier to say. I said so

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that's it, but that's obviously not going to fix the problem.

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Because if you know anything about the sculpture, you know, that

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people find a way, right. So that's what's happening now when

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when you have

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have full stop conversations that just don't go anywhere, then teens

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will have access elsewhere. And so that's where you see these

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problems now happening, where they're getting kind of, you know,

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access to, to really harmful material or just access to things

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that they shouldn't be getting through friends, through school,

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through libraries, through all these different places that now

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make things available. So that's not a healthy approach, to just

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end the conversation. So we have to be doing exactly what we're

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doing right now, which is talking. And that's why it's so important

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that we hear from you. Um, if you notice, there's a very sweet, I

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don't know where she went one of two volunteers, one shot lamella,

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bless her, she's been walking around collecting these note

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cards. And the reason why this is so important is because we have a

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mixed audience here, when it's just teens, and it's just adults,

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we can, you know, have really clear open conversations. But what

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happens naturally, is that when when we mix these groups up,

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people kind of clam up and they don't feel comfortable talking

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about certain things, because you don't want to get in trouble going

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into the room, right? You don't want to say something you

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shouldn't say or admit something, or whatever, or bring up sort of,

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you know, open, candid. So people just sort of tend to listen, but

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really, the purpose of our being here tonight, is we want to hear

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from you. So we've gathered a few different questions here. But I

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really encourage you, if you are a teen and you're struggling with

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this topic at home, and you're seeing different you know, you

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feel frustrated, you feel that there's really no respect maybe

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for your opinion and for your what you want, please open up to us

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because we won't, you know, there's that anonymity that that's

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afforded to you here with these note cards, we don't know who you

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are, but we can address your concern here. And similar with

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parents, if you feel like this is a real issue in your home, and

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it's causing a lot of problems with you and your child, and

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they're slipping away from you. Inshallah, we will do our best to

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help you today in this discussion. So, before we started, get

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started, you know, in, in presenting some of the thoughts

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that we had about the film, we did want to get a chance to look at

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these, but are there any? Is there anybody here in the audience right

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now, who has something that they want to share a reflection about

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the film, or something, you know, that you want to, for us to

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address? Just if you didn't write a note card, but you're willing to

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stand up and say something and

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bring sold substance? Okay. Yeah. Oh, we do have? Yes. I, where's

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that hand? It's gonna go down. You change your mind.

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All right, yes, this fella in the back? Yes.

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I will do my best to hear you just project your voice. And we'll look

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through these in the meantime. But we want to get your get the

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dialogue going. So we don't want to stop.

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The limitation of putting

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stuff in my display.

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And

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I don't want to come across that. It's just me.

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Right?

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Is he here today?

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Have you had a chance to talk to him about the film at all? I think

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he was. Okay, good. Well, that's a great first step. So I applaud you

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for coming here. And I applaud him for coming here. Because

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mashallah, that shows willingness to at least you know, open and be

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willing to hear you out, I encourage you, if 100 if you did

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bring your child here, this is a great, you know, fertile ground to

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really start talking in a mature way, you know, in a way where you

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really respect your child, sometimes what happens and it was

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actually brought up in the movie too, right? That parents, we get

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so authoritative because we're afraid, right? We're afraid that

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our children are going to do something harmful, that our tone

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becomes authoritative, right? Which is what I was hinting at

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before, where it's just like, No, I That's enough, I don't want you

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to do it anymore. The end of subject, right? So what that does

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is it undermines the intelligence right of your child to is no

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longer your baby, right, they are growing and from the Islamic

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perspective, the onset of puberty is when they really do become

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adults, right. And so obviously, you know, there's adolescence and

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all those different physiological changes as they go through that,

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you know, fully develops their their mental capacities in a home

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and whatnot, but you still treat them with the same dignity and

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respect that you would anybody else. And so what I would

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encourage is to use this as a as a an opportunity to really encourage

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you know, thoughtful dialogue, which is not to say, well now that

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you saw the movie you know, you did you see Did you see what I've

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been telling you you know what kind of come with that, you know,

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I told you so kind of attitude but more like

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And what did you think of them? Have you? What are your takeaways?

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Right? When you as the parent, I think, you know, give that

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encourage that dialogue from that respectful place, your child is

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going to feel heard and listened to, and validated. And then

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hopefully it's reciprocated, right? When it's your turn to

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discuss, and you can say, well, you know, the takeaways that I got

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from the movie, or what was really concerning for me is this. And

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this is why I fear that they really not feel like they're

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talking to some it's a mutually you know, respectful, respectful

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discussion. And it's not that they're talking down to them, or

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you're at them, right. And so from that, then it's a matter of, well,

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let's find some compromise, because I know now that you're 17

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Mashallah, you know, the internet probably better than I do? And

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now, how would you think we can find a compromise where both of us

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are happy? Because, as your parents, I might, My concerns are

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real, right? I have reason to be worried. And, and I understand

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this is a new world that you're, you know, your world is different

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than my world. And that technology is important to you, and that

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there's all these amazing opportunities with with being

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online, I get that. But how can we bridge this, you know, and what

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compromise can we find? What are you willing to do to work with me,

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and see, now what you're doing is you're again, in, you're

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encouraging your child to speak back to you, you know, in that

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respectful, compromising tone, not in the pushing back rebellious

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tone, right? That will naturally you're gonna get when you're too

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authoritative. That's what happens whenever, and I've seen this play

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out time and time again, when parents think I'm going to be

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tough, you know, the child will either, you know, push back and

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equally be tough, or will maybe, you know, play the part of them

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secretly, this is where, you know, spiritually, it's very dangerous,

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because she I thought was right there, she had done loves nothing

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more than fitna, he loves nothing more than cause discord. So he'll

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inspire that child, and justify all his feelings. All your parents

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are so mean, they're so strict, they don't even respect you how

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they talk to you, they think you're nothing, they think you're

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dumb, they don't You don't know anything, you should prove them,

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right, you should go and, you know, find these back channels and

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do this. And this is such a phenomenal gift. You know, that's

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what he does, he inspires them to justify those actions where they

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start doing things behind your back. And at that point, you know,

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that's it, you know, the communication has broken down, and

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the relationship will eventually go and you know, and really bad

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direction. So I really encourage open dialogue, respectful

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dialogue, encouraging your child to really speak not just to listen

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the entire time, but to speak and to hear them with true intention

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of like, you what you say matters to me, I'm not just hearing you

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to, you know, to formulate my response to you, because I already

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have my mindset made up. Don't do that, walk into that discussion

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with a really open mind. And inshallah it'll be mirrored back

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to you to Shama just like, bringing on the muscle, please.

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Oh, I just wanted to, it was a really good question. One of the

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things that I find working with my students and my parents, when I'm

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doing individual therapy, I do a lot of collaboration with parents.

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And a lot of

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issues are exactly what the sister mentioned. So one thing I would

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talk about is just healthy boundaries. And what healthy

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boundaries, what boundaries are just rules, right? And so whenever

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if you if you're, if you have a teenager who's driving, right, and

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you invite them a car, you know, a loved one, when we bought my car,

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now, we got to talk about healthy rules about driving the car,

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right? It's the same thing with a cell phone, it same thing with

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computer screens, you buy them off of your train, you give them a

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video game, a lot less but right, but we got to have some rules,

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right? So I talk a lot about healthy boundaries. So I always

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talk about two types of boundaries, right? So we have our

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flexible boundary. Which it starts with, yes, but okay, then we have

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a firm boundary, which is absolutely no. Okay. So a firm

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boundary would be such. Okay, I'm giving you an iPhone eight. Great.

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I've got an iPhone. This is amazing. But think of it is

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there's a firm boundary. You cannot have your iPhone in your

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bedroom. Right? That's that's desperate about Here you go.

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Here's your phone. Congratulations, you've been asked

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in court.

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But there's a firm boundary. And if you turn your phone in, and

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there's no argument there's no debate, there's no discussion,

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right? That's that's what we call a firm boundary. Flexible boundary

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would be you kind of heard it right. You can move your apparent

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to move their boundary and right, so it would kind of look like

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you can have your phone at six o'clock.

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And then all of a sudden, you know, the child says, Well, what

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about till 630? You know, let, Can I at least do it six, they're said

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they're pushing against the boundary. And you're like, Okay,

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you've been really good about your fall. Okay, let's push it to 630

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on the weekdays. But again, eight o'clock, no, no phone in the

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bedroom, right? So you move one boundary. Now when you move a

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boundary, and you have the right to change it that

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didn't get the behavior I was looking for, or, you know, maybe

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you slipped up somewhere else, and I want to move that boundary back

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or move that boundary, we're going to put it back to six o'clock.

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Okay, so that's, so let's again, just because the film kind of

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discuss the boundaries, when we always throw boundaries out there,

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but we don't really define what boundaries are. So as parents, I

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want you guys to have good healthy boundaries. If you have good

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healthy boundaries, in any relationship, you're going to have

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good healthy relationship. So I'm hoping that that will help. So a

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lot of our questions, as I'm reading are around cell phone

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usage. And so I just want to read one question.

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Why did you guys show this film screenagers? When you guys are

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telling us and the children and adults that you should be using

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less technology?

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I just really good question. Because I like it. It's very

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blunt.

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Technology is a tool, I have a phone, right? But I have to be I

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use it as a tool, right? Sometimes I use it as entertainment. Right?

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But I'm using it for purpose. And so we're not saying I don't think

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scary screenagers even said it, we should get rid of technology,

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right? We're immersed in it, it's very useful, it's very helpful.

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But we have to find that that balance, okay, so it's not getting

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rid of it completely. But it's not being so immersed in it, that it's

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it's it's lower in our grades, it's it's affecting our

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relationships in negative ways. And so we have to find that

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healthy balance. And so that was just one of the questions and and

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whoever wrote that, may Allah bless you for being so blind, so

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direct. And I really, really wanted to make sure I read that

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question. So

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I'm also going to read some of these questions, because they

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aren't brushed off, we got a good second guys came through Thank

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you. And we're gonna try to get to as many as we can. But there are a

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lot of common questions. This one I really appreciate, because it

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kind of talks about what I wanted to touch about today. But someone

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asked, Why do you think people are still on their phones after the

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whole movie?

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One question.

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Before coming here tonight, I actually was listening to a few

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different talks, and I read some some stuff that was really

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fascinating to me.

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I read about a study that was done on boredom.

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And the study was so fascinating, because it said that in the study,

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they found that 1/3 of or two thirds of men and 1/4 of women

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preferred pain over being bored. So they're actually, you know, in

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the study, they were watching a film that was kind of boring, and

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they were given this electric shocker system. And, you know, two

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thirds of men and one of Ford, the women were shocking themselves

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throughout the community, because they were so boring, but they

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actually preferred paying more. And I think this is something that

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our teachers have talked about, too, that the problem with what

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what why social media especially and

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you know, it was getting out of control is that we're basically

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avoiding, you know, being alone with ourselves, right? It's, you

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can pretty much do anything and everything. You can watch films,

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you can listen to music, you can it's just so distracting. But what

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is it distracting us from? Is the question, right? What does it

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distracting us from it's distracting us from really just

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sitting with ourselves and allowing ourselves to think, to

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contemplate, to reflect? What's where do we even get time to do

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this anymore? If you really think about the day to day life that

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lives that most of us have, from the time we wake up. And some of

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the time we sleep, there's constant bombardment, right of

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images, sounds, voices. One of the things, I don't know if any of the

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moms are like me, but

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I'm with my kids on the left home, and I teach them, but there's

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times when I really need to focus. And so one of the things that

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really kind of drives me crazy is when they interrupt my focus,

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right? Because I'm like writing or I'm working on something. And then

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there's this constant. Just question right? And they'll get

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this fine line like, and I always tell them like, you're hurting

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like it hurts my brain because I can't focus so but this this is

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really our reality all the time. We're constantly distracted and

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bombarded and so what the phones have done is

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has actually given us sort of this customized way of just choosing

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what we want to distract ourselves with, right? We're not subject to

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just sitting in a space and doing nothing, we can actually do

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something that we enjoy, and we like, but really, from a spiritual

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perspective, is this healthy? Right? From, from from knowing,

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you know,

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just being Muslim and having heard, I'm sure many talks on the

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subject, but the importance of the ticket, right? How important is it

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for us to actually be thinking and contemplating and remember it,

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right, and remembering who remember most time and remembering

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why we're here, what we're supposed to be doing here, our

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whole purpose. So this is really a big problem. And it's one of the

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other things that I want to talk about, which is looking at this

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issue, not just from a practical like, Oh, we're here in 2018.

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Americans with teens, you know, parents kind of from that angle,

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but also from the angle from a spiritual perspective as Muslims,

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how is this affecting us? How is this affecting us, from a

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spiritual perspective, to be constantly on the phone, so for

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the teenagers out there, it's one of the things that obviously, your

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parents are concerned about, is that this is so distracting, that

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you're going to be seeing things and hearing things that are

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harmful for you spiritually, because everything and everything,

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anything is available to you. And as parents, we know this, because

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we were, you know, we grew up in this age of knowing what it's like

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not to have social media and seeing what life has turned into

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with social media. So our concerns are real, that there is that

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potential that this could really hurt your spiritual heart. But

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even for us as adults, you know, we have to admit, our own

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addictions, right? How many of us also have addictions to our home,

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we have to be real. And just, you know, really break it down and

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say, as this question as even after watching this movie, why is

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everybody still checking their phone every two seconds and

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checking their Facebook or their social media? What's going on?

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It's because again, this isn't now a spiritual problem. We've talked

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about addictions talked about that. But we have to be willing to

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really look at it. From that angle of how is it affecting my

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spiritual heart? Am I even reading for as much anymore? Am I doing it

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as much anymore as I used to maybe 1015 years ago, you've seen a dip

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in your own spiritual practice, because you're constantly

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connected to this. That's cause for concern, right? So in short,

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this discussion affects all of us even though you know, I hopefully,

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you know, the aim of some of the parents here is wasn't just go get

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through to my teens, but it's honestly, for all of us to self

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reflect myself included. Everything I had, you know, a

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friend recently committed to just removing herself completely off of

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social media for spiritual reasons. And I really commended

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her for that, because she recognized in herself, but this

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was a real problem. And she wanted to basically change that. So how

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many of us are willing to do the same? How many of us are willing

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to cut ourselves off? Get off WhatsApp, get off? Facebook, get

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off Instagram, Snapchat, right? Raise your hand, if you guys are

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on all of these. Raise your hand if you're on Facebook. Let's just

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kind of get to know each other. I'm on Facebook, if you don't even

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know

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how many of your Instagram?

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How many of you are on SNAP. Be honest. How many of you snap

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today? Like you snapped you snap stories? You snap on to it for

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lunch or coffee? Once you bought? Right?

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Okay, I mean, you see it, we're all in it. We're all in this

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together. So I hope that this whatever we share today, you

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really understand that it's gonna see how for every single one of

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us, even us up here to really look at how is this affecting us

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spiritually? Because we can talk about all the other stuff? That is

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the biggest concern we should all have. Right? If it's distracting

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us, from our supply of data from contemplating things like deaths,

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I mean, how many of us think about death anymore? Really, very high.

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You think about death on a daily basis, like seriously, martial

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law. That's very good, man. bless all of you and continue to to

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increase you but that these are important reflections. And it's

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not to be morbid. No, this is from our sunnah we remember death

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because it reminds us of our purpose. But sometimes when you're

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so caught up in, in, you know, looking at the world through this

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lens of, you know, just life and there's so much vibrancy on social

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media, you can forget the death is imminent for all of us. So I'm

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gonna do that for this question. I thought it was really relevant

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that even now after watching this and hearing information, we still

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can't help ourselves. It's because we're avoiding that really

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important discussion with ourselves which is just being

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alone and being comfortable being alone.

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I have a lot. So we have

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smokeout one, but but we have so many note cards from all of you.

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And so what I'm trying to do is I we're not going to be because

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we're really asked to be done, wrap it up at nine.

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system side, and I actually talked, before we even started,

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what we'd like to do is stay an extra half an hour, privately, I

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can, I'm gonna I'm gonna kind of set up over here, if any of the

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youth, I would really prefer the youth, because I want to give them

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a voice.

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What I'd like to do is give everyone half an hour, private,

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you know, just talk to me one on one.

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No parents allowed. So bring them on. Don't bring that over. Just if

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you if your youth. And you want to ask this question, I'll be over

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here. I think Sr. OSI is going to be here available for half an

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hour.

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A last word by time. So we want to respect time. And so we've been

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asked to kind of go up till nine o'clock. But one of the things

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that it's a, it's a very prominent theme in the notecards is

00:31:03 --> 00:31:06

addiction. I've seen the word throughout many of these note

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cards. So I just want to touch upon addiction. Okay, so there's

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actually signs of addiction that I wrote. And I'm actually put, I put

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it on my cell phone. So it's a tool I'm using. So some of the

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signs of addiction that I've seen in in substance use, and also to

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in screen addiction.

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A sense of fatigue,

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migraines due to intense concentration or eyestrain, carpal

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tunnel, poor hygiene, right, you're not you're not failing,

00:31:37 --> 00:31:40

you're not taking good, yeah, brushing your teeth, right?

00:31:40 --> 00:31:43

Because you're always in the game, right? Or you're always on the

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screen. Pro Social, I'm sorry. So

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these are just a couple that I want you guys to think about.

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Right? So there's many others, but also to a dip in your attitude,

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right? So when when dad says put your phone away, and then all

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sudden you bike that a dad

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will only want it for a minute, you know, your attitude changes.

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So these are signs that you know, there might be some addiction

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issues or so we're My job is to give you something, right, I

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wouldn't be doing my job as a therapist, if I can't give you

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something that you can't take out of here. So one of the things I

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want you guys to think about is positive reinforcement, and

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negative reinforcement. Now, when it comes to the youth, I deal with

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high schoolers all the time. And so I'm always trying to motivate

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them or, or help parents motivate, you know, their students to do

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better. Positive reinforcement. What that means is I'm going to

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give you something if you do something, or I'll give you

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something if you did something. Negative reinforcement does not

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mean getting, there's nothing, it means taking something if you do

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not do something, okay. Research has found that negative

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reinforcement does work, but not as well as positive. So I

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encouraged and I do this with myself, when I was in grad school,

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I had so many papers to write, I had so many presentations to do

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

when you get into grad school or you go into your doctorate

00:33:07 --> 00:33:12

program, there is intense things that you have to do is very timely

00:33:12 --> 00:33:16

oriented. And there's a lot of pressure. So you have to motivate

00:33:16 --> 00:33:20

yourself. So I actually had to do this myself, I would say no screen

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time for myself, unless I wrote two pages of it. Because I'm

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always writing papers, papers, papers, right? So I was not

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wanting to do that activity. And so I was actually distracting

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myself, right? I was having more fun watching a movie or you know,

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video gaming or whatever. So I actually had to rehearse this, I

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use positive reinforcement for myself. I get a half an hour

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because I love PlayStation. That's, that's what I do. So I

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would give myself a half an hour PlayStation. If I wrote two pages

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a day. And then when I did that I was hard on myself. And I even

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told my wife, I'm a grown man. And I told my wife, I said, Don't let

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me play. And I said that, oh, my two pages. And I knocked out my

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dissertation, and a matter of a month and a half of my my peers

00:34:06 --> 00:34:10

within my cohort. They're shocked. They're like, how are you doing

00:34:10 --> 00:34:14

this? What are you doing? And unlike its positive reinforcement,

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did you guys not learn that and behavioral psychology one on one?

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Right? That was a class we all took together. Positive

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reinforcement. So I'm giving this to you now think about positive

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reinforcement. What can you do for yourself? What can you do for your

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kids? Give yourself something for doing something, if that makes any

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sense at all. So we're gonna be wrapping it up real soon. I just

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want to personally get I'm gonna get the microphone over and sit

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outside for her last comments. I just want to thank all of you for

00:34:40 --> 00:34:46

taking your time here it is Friday night. It's 939. And

00:34:47 --> 00:34:50

you guys could be doing other things. But you guys decided to be

00:34:50 --> 00:34:54

here tonight. In talking about this, and especially our youth. I

00:34:54 --> 00:34:58

see so many shiny faces that I just want to thank you for just

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having this conversation with us.

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Okay, so I might be someone at home, I'm going to be here till

00:35:04 --> 00:35:09

939 4510 o'clock if you need me, I'm here for you. So just come

00:35:09 --> 00:35:11

find me. Good. So I

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just

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I did have a few questions here that we're kind of all similar. I

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have some closing remarks, too. But I wanted to get to these

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because they're clearly written from children, but they're all the

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same. Why do you think parents tell us to decrease screen time,

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if they are on their screens just as much as us, what of your

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parents are on their laptop 24/7. And they say, they're just

00:35:35 --> 00:35:39

working, is that, okay? Your dad tells you to put your phone away,

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but then they go on the phone, because that's the thing when you

00:35:43 --> 00:35:46

do that. So you know, kids are paying attention, I think those

00:35:46 --> 00:35:51

parents in the room, as we all know, kids model behavior that we

00:35:51 --> 00:35:54

show them. So if you're going to say, you know, don't do this, but

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then you do the same thing, it's obviously confusing. So you have

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to be willing to open that discussion. And for the children

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in the room who see this type of behavior. Um, it is important to

00:36:03 --> 00:36:08

know that, obviously, adults and children are different, and our

00:36:08 --> 00:36:11

lives are different. And many of the adults, you know, especially

00:36:11 --> 00:36:15

living in this area, and you know, this time, do have to work on

00:36:15 --> 00:36:16

their computers.

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So if they're working, it's not the same as playing video games,

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right? Or playing, you know, words for friends or checking Facebook.

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So you kind of don't just, you know, make it all one thing, like,

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you know, like, it's all the same. They're just on your phone all the

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time. But actually, you know, consider the fact that they truly

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are doing something important. And maybe that's just a discussion

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that for all the families, you know, you have to have, I had that

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with my children. My children definitely pointed that out to me,

00:36:46 --> 00:36:48

like, Mom, are you on the phone, and I explained to them, I

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actually, and this is just advice. As a parent, I am very open with

00:36:53 --> 00:36:56

my kids. So I tell them everything I show them like, Listen, this is

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what Mommy does. Mommy's a writer I write, I like to write a lot. So

00:37:00 --> 00:37:03

where do I write, I write on a computer, here's my files, you can

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look at my folder you can see, and then they get so caught up with

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

like, all the words, I've typed out, you know,

00:37:09 --> 00:37:12

all those words, my dad doesn't come easily, you know, so. So they

00:37:12 --> 00:37:16

get it. But when we just say I'm working, it's just you know, it's

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kind of dismissive, right. And this is where we have to be more

00:37:19 --> 00:37:23

respectful of how we speak to our children. And it's so important

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that you open your conversations and are open to answering their

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questions with respect, especially when they're young. I think one of

00:37:31 --> 00:37:34

the tragic things that we do as parents is treat little children

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like their nuisances all the time, you know, just stop asking

00:37:38 --> 00:37:42

somebody questions when you know, that's so rude and mean, and it's

00:37:42 --> 00:37:45

not part of the character of the proposal, I said, I'm honored.

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Everybody from old to young, he would sit and talk to children, he

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would feel get come down to their level and speak to them, either I

00:37:55 --> 00:37:58

were very, it's just a really unhealthy part of some of our

00:37:58 --> 00:38:01

cultures and the culture, the greater culture, just treat

00:38:01 --> 00:38:05

children that way. So if you do that, why are you surprised when

00:38:05 --> 00:38:08

they're teenagers, and they're slamming doors in your faces,

00:38:08 --> 00:38:14

right? Or just shutting you out? Because it's you, it's again, what

00:38:14 --> 00:38:17

you teach them is going to be mirrored back to you. So if you

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are respectful with your children from a young age, and shall rock,

00:38:22 --> 00:38:26

they will respect your rules, even they will follow the rules, and

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they'll, they'll be mindful to not hurt you and not to disappoint

00:38:31 --> 00:38:35

you, because you were so careful with them when they were children.

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So that's just just a general and see how about really watching the

00:38:38 --> 00:38:42

way you explain the rules to your kids, and just your general tone.

00:38:42 --> 00:38:46

Now, as far as closing remarks, as I said, you know, I would like to

00:38:46 --> 00:38:50

give you some takeaways. So what I mentioned before is from looking

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at this from a spiritual angle,

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there's three components of what I say I call digital literacy, I'm

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going to Sonic perspective, and I encourage all of you to really,

00:39:01 --> 00:39:04

like just start being more literate about what's going on in

00:39:04 --> 00:39:07

the world, if you're not on social media from personal choice, and I

00:39:07 --> 00:39:10

respect that. But that doesn't mean that you can't know about

00:39:10 --> 00:39:13

what's going on on social media. So there's no difference. You

00:39:13 --> 00:39:16

don't necessarily have to participate. But you should

00:39:16 --> 00:39:19

absolutely know how they work. You should know how Instagram works.

00:39:19 --> 00:39:22

You should know how Snapchat works. You should know how

00:39:22 --> 00:39:25

Facebook and Twitter and all of these other WhatsApp, all these

00:39:25 --> 00:39:29

other assets, kids are into work. Because when they come to ask you,

00:39:29 --> 00:39:33

if you don't know that they're not going to look at your opinion as

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

having any credibility. What do you notice? Right? But if you're

00:39:35 --> 00:39:38

like, actually, yeah, the reason why I don't want you to go on

00:39:38 --> 00:39:43

Instagram is fy avard. Parents, just in case you didn't know one

00:39:43 --> 00:39:45

of the apps that I think is probably the most dangerous out

00:39:45 --> 00:39:51

there is Instagram and Snapchat why is because not only do your

00:39:51 --> 00:39:55

kids have access to you know, they can do friend whoever, but there's

00:39:55 --> 00:39:58

pages that are called like the Explorer page, right? Which is

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which is you know, the out

00:40:00 --> 00:40:03

algorithms are these apps, they basically look at the friends that

00:40:03 --> 00:40:06

your kids are connected with and look at what they're looking at.

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And then they put together a screen full of images based on

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what everybody else is doing. So it's not just your child's

00:40:12 --> 00:40:17

behavior, it's that impacts what comes on that page. It's the

00:40:17 --> 00:40:20

behavior of everybody that I've connected with. So there can be

00:40:20 --> 00:40:23

very clearly * pictures on there, or just content that's

00:40:23 --> 00:40:27

really inappropriate that your child might have never even knew

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about, but just one slide on a different button will expose them

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to that stuff. So you have to know this stuff. That's what I need

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about digital digital literacy, knowing how apps work, knowing how

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to navigate the web, and just being of knowing what the digital

00:40:42 --> 00:40:45

footprint is. So when you're having discussions with your

00:40:45 --> 00:40:47

children about why it's so important that they control their

00:40:47 --> 00:40:51

behavior, that you understand that you can explain to them that their

00:40:51 --> 00:40:55

future could be impacted by their behavior. Now, you know, job

00:40:55 --> 00:40:59

prospects marry trust *, if you post a picture online, when you're

00:40:59 --> 00:41:03

15, you could come to haunt you later when you're 23. Because

00:41:03 --> 00:41:07

someone sees that image and goes, Oh, no, no, no, no, I can't marry

00:41:07 --> 00:41:10

in some family like that. Or I don't want someone working in my

00:41:10 --> 00:41:13

company who is able to do that, right? These things happen to

00:41:13 --> 00:41:16

people all the time now. So understanding what the digital

00:41:16 --> 00:41:19

footprint really means and explain that to your child. And then all

00:41:19 --> 00:41:22

the different dangers of scam artists and things like that. So

00:41:22 --> 00:41:25

it's really important to know Internet safety and security. And

00:41:25 --> 00:41:28

then social media, mental health ramifications, which is what we

00:41:28 --> 00:41:31

talked about, or what the documentary really talks about

00:41:31 --> 00:41:34

what's going on with the brain getting addicted to these and how

00:41:34 --> 00:41:37

it affects, you know, just the pleasure center, the frontal

00:41:37 --> 00:41:40

cortex, the dopamine, all of that stuff that's affecting the brain

00:41:40 --> 00:41:43

of your young adolescent children and developing brains, how it's

00:41:43 --> 00:41:47

impacting them how it's going to possibly, you know, lead them to

00:41:47 --> 00:41:50

Addictive Behaviors, it's so important that you know that and

00:41:50 --> 00:41:54

then the spiritual ramifications, which we talked about earlier, how

00:41:54 --> 00:41:59

it affects your your spiritual presence in prayer, in other areas

00:41:59 --> 00:42:02

that where you should be really be able to focus. If you have your

00:42:02 --> 00:42:04

brains all over the places you can't wait to get to your phone

00:42:04 --> 00:42:07

during prayer. This is a clear problem. But these are the types

00:42:07 --> 00:42:11

of conversations that you should talk about when you're bringing up

00:42:11 --> 00:42:15

your concerns to your children, because they matter and they're

00:42:15 --> 00:42:18

based on you know, their studies. And so there's things that you can

00:42:18 --> 00:42:23

really back up instead of just saying because I said so. So it

00:42:23 --> 00:42:27

shall increase our literacy is really important. Um, we do have,

00:42:27 --> 00:42:30

like, we said, so many questions. Unfortunately, we weren't able to

00:42:30 --> 00:42:34

get all of them. But if you do want to talk, whether you're a

00:42:34 --> 00:42:39

teen, or a parents, we're here in Sharla, for any discussion, so

00:42:39 --> 00:42:43

Bismillah does that. Again, for all of us, all of you for coming

00:42:43 --> 00:42:47

and staying this late. May Allah bless all of you and protect our

00:42:47 --> 00:42:50

children in sha Allah. And in this wonderful

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