Hamzah Wald Maqbul – Mlik Fiqh Food of the Ahl al Kitab 07142022

Hamzah Wald Maqbul
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So

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old we got through. But for the sake

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of completion, inshallah, we'll finish this bab. The

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intention being that, inshallah,

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when we're done with this,

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I don't know before leaving the turkey or

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after inshallah, we will start a reading of

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akhvari inshallah.

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So that that can be recorded in a

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recorded in a for anybody who wants to

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get the basics of their and salat in

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the,

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without,

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without having to guess. As I was discussing

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with one of the brothers over here,

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one of the

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irritating noises

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that scratches the chalkboard of my soul

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is this idea that the Maliki Madhub is

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praying with your hands down or that you

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can keep a dog or whatever, like, stupid,

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like,

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things people have,

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ideas that they have. And so they,

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it it's like a person who, you know,

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you show them a,

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a, you know, a $100,000

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car, Ferrari or Lamborghini or whatever, Tesla or

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whatever.

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And, the only thing they remember about it

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is, oh, that car was red.

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And it's like, yes. You can get, like,

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a you can get a, a red bike

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for that matter. That that's not really what

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makes it what it is. It's not an

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appreciation of the design of the form, of

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the seamlessness of the perfection that goes into

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it.

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And so,

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hopefully with the

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recording,

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of,

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I'll have something that I can point to

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people,

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that, they can

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listen to on their own

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and have a solid foundation and a solid

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basis with which to work. And then afterward,

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we

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can do, almurshid almoorinibnuashir.

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And, it will be something functional for people

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so that the Durus,

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can transition from

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a more general interesting discussion about to,

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a a grounding and practice of the itself.

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My

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intention always with

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teaching was never that I'm, you know, a

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quote, unquote, Sheikh of the school because I'm

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definitely not.

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People who have read

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from me,

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have gone on to achieve

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a far better understanding of the mad hub

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than I do,

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in a relatively short amount of time.

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But

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my purpose

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has been always to present some sort of

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unified and integrated

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conception of Islam

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through these

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and these,

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not necessarily for a specialist, but more for

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a practitioner

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to see how the,

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the, the, all of them, how they

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connect with one another and become an organic

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part of life.

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If a person can do that,

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then they become a Muslim, and then they're

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eligible

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to have their heart and their mind opened

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by the lord in order to understand the

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deen.

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Not in the way university professor understands it,

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but in the way people like Hazali,

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like

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like,

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like, those people whose intellects were truly enlightened.

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Many names will never know or if I

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throw them out, people won't know who they

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are. But if you read their books, you

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get the feeling that these people are not

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normal.

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That once you practice your Islam,

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your mind is now eligible for being shown

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what real ilm is,

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which I don't,

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purport or claim to be,

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teaching anybody.

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But I do know those who do teach

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it to people, and you cannot get it

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without mastering these types of things. Like, if

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you think it's not worth your time knowing

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what, you know, what's halal to eat and

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what's not, or how to make wudu properly

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or not, or whatever. These are trite messiahs

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that belong in the that you, you know,

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you wanna talk about interesting and quote, unquote

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relevant things to the.

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I'm sorry.

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This is not really gonna go anywhere. It's

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never how it ever went anywhere. It's not

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gonna go anywhere in the future.

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But, inshallah that, you know, my hope is

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that we can present those things so that

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we can actually maybe talk about something in

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Elmi,

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one day.

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So,

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you know, that's that that's that's the hope

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and that's

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the plan. And if even one person can

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read the akhbari from me me properly,

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if somebody can read

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and the from me in that way,

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in a way that not only is the,

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understood by them, but it's something that a

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person sees no other

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option except for to practice because to not

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practice it would be just to shoot yourself

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in your foot with regards

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and your

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and

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your mind and your heart and your spirit.

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It would be it would make as much

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sense as, you know, sticking your hand in

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a hole and getting bit by a snake

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or, you know, taking your money and, you

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know, just throwing it out the car window

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or whatever. If someone can get to that

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point, I have no doubt that that person,

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if they want wish to seek knowledge,

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Allah

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would give them something

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that would,

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that would impress others and maybe even be

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a fitna for the person themselves that they

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didn't know that this type of knowledge was,

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knowable by people in this time, in this

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age. Even though it's always the same Allah

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to Allah, he doesn't change with time and

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he doesn't change with space and place and

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all of these things.

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So

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we continue,

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the the Baba

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Abi Zaid

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He says,

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I don't know why this is difficult for

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me to pronounce right now.

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So

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means

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it's suboptimal, but it's permissible to eat the,

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the meat of the people of the book,

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the slaughter of the people of the book.

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And

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although he said it's it's, to eat the

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thatch from the animal slaughtered by the Jews.

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And,

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so we'll dissect that.

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That we'll dissect that,

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right now. And the first thing is what?

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Is that anyone who tells you that the

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slaughter of the people, the book is haram,

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you know,

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that's between them and

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Allah That that Allah said that it's

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And so if they wanna argue with Allah

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Ta'ala about that, that's up to them.

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This is a fiqhi hukum. This is not

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a hukum of aqidah. This is not an

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endorsement of their

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brand of disbelief as being better than another

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brand of disbelief in terms of the aqaid.

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All of them are, are disbelief.

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And,

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but this is a legal difference. There's a

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legal difference between their

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slaughter and the slaughter of other than them

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other than them.

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And so whoever wants to say that that's

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that's, like, somehow, like, not a part of

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the din, that person doesn't know what they're

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talking about. And I've seen various

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permutations of this sentiment.

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So,

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you know, I one of the more ridiculous

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and inexplicable

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permutations of this

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sentiment

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is, oh, well, you know,

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the the the Christians nowadays are mushrikeen, whereas

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they weren't mushrikeen back in the day. And,

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that that's

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an excellent explanation except for once you read

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the Quran, you realize it doesn't fall apart.

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It falls apart. But other than that, you

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know, other than, like, reading the Quran and

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basic facts about history or whatever,

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you know, in some people's mind, it seems

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like a good explanation, but it's not.

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In fact, they were always mushakin,

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since the time the prophet

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the baifa amongst

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the Christians that worshipped Allah alone and without

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any partner were essentially genocided out centuries before

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the prophet

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and any,

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vestiges or pockets of them that existed. Once

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the Muslims took over a place,

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they seem to have,

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basically come to Islam

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and,

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and that's it. And that's it. You know,

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there's no appreciable numbers of them that that

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are left. So you know what a goth

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is. Right?

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You don't know what a goth you know

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what a goth is. Right? Like, in high

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school goths, you know, I mean Okay. Yeah.

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You know, like, they

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dress up in black and this and that.

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So being a goth is like some sort

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of weird,

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you know, type of thing. Maybe some of

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you guys are goths as well yourselves,

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when you're in high school or whatever, you

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know, because it's a

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nice way of having somewhere to fit in

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when you don't fit in or whatever. It's

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just Seattle. I think it feels like very

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amenable to it. I definitely was definitely was

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not a goth,

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at all.

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But, you know, that's what it is to

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people nowadays.

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What does being a goth have to do

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with the?

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And,

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what it has to do with it is

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what?

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As we speak English, we speak a Germanic

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language. It's called English.

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Okay?

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From the branches of the Germanic languages.

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Right? Like, what they speak in, like, Scandinavia.

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That's another branch, the Nordic branch.

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Speak in Iceland, what they speak in Norway,

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Sweden, Denmark.

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That's a branch of Germanic languages.

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What we speak is another branch of Germanic

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languages connected Germany, connected to, like, Friesian,

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connected

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to Flemish,

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connected to Dutch.

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Right?

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There's another branch of Germanic languages called Gothic.

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There's

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a large amount of writing in Gothic

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comparatively

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from the Middle Ages.

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However, nowadays,

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Gothic languages are all completely almost extinct.

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There used to be large numbers of goths

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that were in Italy.

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There were a large number of Goths that

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were in the Iberian Peninsula.

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The Goths essentially ruled, they displaced the

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the you know they displaced the local people,

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Romanized local people, and they ruled over Spain.

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Now why is it that

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after having such prominence,

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their culture completely disappears, their language completely disappears?

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Goths were all they all followed the Aryan

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creed, or many of them followed the Aryan

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creed. Not like Aryan as in, like, a

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r y a n, like

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like like an ethnic

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designation.

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But Arian as in Arius, who was, I

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think, like, the Bishop of Alexandria or something

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like that at some point or another,

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who

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was contemporaneous

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with

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many of the old church fathers,

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and he maintained stridently that Christ

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was

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not the same as God.

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And that there's one God in Christ,

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maybe has some sort of status higher than

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that of a human being but that he

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wasn't God.

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And that he wasn't co eternal with God

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etcetera etcetera. And

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there used to be a lot of Christians

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like that at some point or another, the

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trinitarians.

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Right? You have, like, this the creed of

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the, you know, the creed of, the council,

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the Nicene Creed, and then after that, the

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Chalcedonian Creed, which excludes the monophysite Christianity of,

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like, the,

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the

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the Egyptians, the Coptic church, and the Eastern

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historian churches, and things like that. Right?

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They basically got rid of the Aries through

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what? Through genocide.

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Their

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church is completely gone. So we can

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go on YouTube right now

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and get lectured by Jordan Peterson

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about why I should find a shia pen

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pal.

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Right?

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Shias and Sunnis, we should find a penpal

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and write to each other and get to

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know each other and understand each other. Right?

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Whereas any discussions of anything schismatic

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in the Christian church

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to the point that they're able to, they

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basically killed they killed off the competition.

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The only schisms that

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still survive are where no one party could

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get the upper hand over the other and

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kill everybody.

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However,

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the cops considered the Eastern Orthodox church all

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to be Kafirs and going to Jahannam, and

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the Catholics to be Kafirs and going to

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Jahannam, and the protestants to be Kafirs and

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going to Jahannam,

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and the, Orthodox

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and Catholics

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pronounce mutual anathema on one another in the

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same way.

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And, you

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know, it's basically it never ends. Like, they

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basically

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the only way that they can have any

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sort of ecumenical unity is by saying, you

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know what? Let's just not talk about for

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a while.

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Now

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coming back to the issue of

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why the Unitarian creed doesn't exist anymore,

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Andalus was a bastion of it. And in

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the Reconquista itself, there is

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a couple of antagonisms that run-in parallel. One

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antagonism is definitely that of the Christians against

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the Muslims.

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But it's not just that. Okay?

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The

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the Reconquista, they were like the French. They

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were a different they're the Germanic speaking the

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German branch of the Germanic people, rather than

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the Gothic branch. The Gothic branch cast in

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lot with the Muslims.

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Why? Because they had a different religion from

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before.

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And so

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they

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part of their thing is they wanted kick

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the Muslims out. Part of their thing is

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they wanted to annihilate the the gothic,

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creed, which was also a agenda of the

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Catholic church in Italy as well.

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Because there are a number of goths in

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Italy as well, and they basically

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massacred them and got rid of them, destroyed

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them. Right? This this

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idea is

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an idea that is very important to understand

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if you wanna understand why Europe is the

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way it is. Why is Bosnia an island

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of Islam within, like,

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basically, like, surrounded on all sides by Christians.

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It's because the Bosnian church didn't ever follow

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either the Catholic or the

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protestant creed. It was a separate church that

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had a different

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ideology about the nature of Christ, and they

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essentially made to survive.

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And when the Muslims came, they're like, yo,

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this is closer to anything that makes sense

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and that that that

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that, has that, you know, has to do

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with our sensibility about,

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Christ anyway.

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So they just become Muslims because it integrates

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with what they believe.

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And,

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you know, this is why Islam is such

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a big,

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you know, is such a big enemy on

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in the crosshairs of the church for so

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long, is not because it's different or that

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it teaches anything different, but it's because such

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an effective

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competitor to the same claim. Now how is

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this relevant to what we're talking about?

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First of all,

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Trinitarian creed was riding high at the time

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of the prophet

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Unitarian creed was like already shoved to the

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peripheries. Most of these people have been killed

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by genocide already at this point. The few

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of them that are left will end up

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coming into the fold of Islam. That's one

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thing to understand.

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The second thing to understand how this is

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relevant is this, is that, Qadhi Abu Bakr

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ibn al Arabi,

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you know, by convention with Alif Lam. Right?

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He's the civilian Qadi. Ishbeli Qadi that,

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he wrote the Tafsir Akkam of Quran,

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which was, you know, the genre upon which

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Khortubi then writes later on.

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Qadhi Abu Bakr, his mazar is

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outside the gates of Fas,

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but he is he is he is,

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he is from Seville.

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And he goes and studies in shirk,

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in the east.

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And he studied with Imam Ghazali and

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he is an and he is,

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you know, a great as well. He comes

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with his own of hadith and things like

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that,

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and a very interesting writer.

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Many of his opinions may may not have

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been super popular at the time,

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but he did write about a lot of

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things and even the things that a person

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disagrees with. It's interesting to see what his

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point of view is about about,

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about everything. And he is a great, you

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know, he's a great,

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figure

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in that period of Malek I Fech.

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His opinion with regards to

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with regards to the

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permissibility

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of eating the meat of the people of

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the book

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is opposed to what's mentioned in Khalil.

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What's mentioned in Khalil is that if they

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slaughter according to the conditions of valid slaughter

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in our Sharia, then we can eat from

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it.

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Opposed to his, opposed to the opinion mentioned

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in Khalilah's, the opinion of Kadi Abu Bakr

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is which is if they slaughter according to

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their rules of slaughter,

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then it's permissible to eat for us.

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So

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if, for example, the benchmark of that is

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would a qesis or rabban eat from it?

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You know? So if you go to, like,

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you know, some god fearing

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monk or priest

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who's, like, sincere, not just like some Cesare

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Borgia who's, like, whatever, like, having a, like,

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whatever commits with his daughter or whatever pope

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type weirdo people. You know? Like, they have

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that as well in their tradition.

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But,

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so, yes, let's make a big alliance, you

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know, with everybody. Right?

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Okay. 1st, excommunicate

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the,

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you know, excommunicate the, you know, at least

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excommunicate

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the what's the word for this again? I

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know it's

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some cuss words in Urdu for it, but

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what's the word for this again? *. Right?

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Excommunicate your ancestral popes first, and then let's

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then we'll talk about, like, how we can

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ally with one another. You know?

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Someone's like, oh, look. Melania is not being

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very interfaith. This is the. I'm not saying

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you have to cuss out your Catholic neighbors

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or, like, every Catholic you see. But I'm

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just saying, if you want it on an

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ideological level, if you wanna talk about things,

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let's talk about them. So you guys are

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a bunch of terrorists, and you're violent, and

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you're this and that. I'm so okay. Cool.

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You know? Like, I get it. Some Muslims

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have done violent things over the years and

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whatever. You know? So, like, we can have

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a discussion about that if you

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want to. I'm not gonna say get lost.

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Let's say let's talk about it. Right? So

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no. You you also then we have a

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right also to ask you about, like, why

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is it that you have, you know, people

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who receive sainthoods that are you know, basically

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have, like, 17, 18 children out of wedlock,

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and the you know, like, how how why

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is it that you

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still officially endorsed genocide? The same church still

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alive today. You haven't repeated it. Say, sorry.

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You know, we're wrong. No. You haven't done

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that yet. Right? If you want us to

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take you seriously as a partner for some

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sort of whatever,

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a dialogue or collaboration,

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it's okay. We can ask that without being

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haters or whatever.

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So

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a sincere not one of these cynical type

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of people, but a sincere believer in, like,

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the Gospels and in Christ and whatever. If

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they would eat it and it would it

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would be respectable for them to eat it,

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then it's that's what the benchmark is, meaning

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things slaughtered according to their laws. So with

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Jews, it's a little bit easier because they

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actually have,

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something,

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that is their attempt at

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based on the laws of Torah. With Christians,

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it's a little bit more murky because they

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don't really have a sharia that they they

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even purport to follow.

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But

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but, you know, it is what it is.

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So the benchmark, at any rate, that he

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mentions is that would one of their monks

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or priests

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be comfortable eating it?

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And if the answer is yes, then it

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would be valid. Even theoretically, he mentions this

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mess Allah that even theoretically,

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if snapping the neck of the chicken is

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how they slaughter.

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If a Muslim did it, said Bismillan

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rung the neck or ripped the head of

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the chicken out,

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it would be Haram and Umaita.

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But if one of them did it and

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their priests felt

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okay eating it and their monks felt okay

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eating it,

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then if they did it, it would be

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halal for us to eat.

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Again, these are 2 different opinions. 1 is

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the one mentioned in Khalil,

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which is the mashhur opinion, and this opinion

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is mukabil al Mashhur.

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It is a strong enough opinion that that

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that in the usu according to the great

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great scholars of the Maliki school, if a

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person gave fatwa on this opinion, it's not

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a weak opinion.

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It's an opinion based on solid proofs, and

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it seems to be the opinion that is,

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preferred by one Sharisi and his,

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Maryal al Mu'arib. And he actually

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dedicates a great amount of explanation,

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the entire tract from Qadhi Abu Bakr there.

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And what did Qadhi Abu Bakr say? Because

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this has to do with as well. This

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is the intersection of Qadhi Abu

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Bakr says, why is it that Allah

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made it permissible for a Muslim man to

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eat the meat of the people of the

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book and to marry the women of the

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people of the book?

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Is it because he's endorsing their kufra as

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being better than any other kufra? Absolutely not.

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Absolutely not. Kufr is kufr. It's bad. It's

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horrible. It's bad.

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There's a discussion about the precept of.

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Actually, Malik dissents with it.

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But, again, it's a fiqi dissension. I don't

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know that a person can say it's even

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akhida dissension. If you're a kafir, you're a

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kafir. You know? Someone's, oh, look. You know,

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these people, they have faith. They pray. They

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listen that. Right? It's, you know, it's all

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a day late and a dollar short.

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All of it is the the same breakdown

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that happens. You know, it's like the chandelier.

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You know, which

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link in the chain that holds a chandelier

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above your head is more important. Well, at

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some point or another, any of them break,

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you're gonna get your head hurt. That's the

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that's the fact. Right? So it's

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you can discuss about it, but it's a

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very, like,

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ivory tower discussion. Practically,

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says

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the reason for this is not

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some sort of endorsement or love of one

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particular type of kufr over the other,

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But it is

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because if a Muslim goes to a place

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where people worship

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wood and stone,

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For them to make the argument and produce

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the hijab that your idol worship is nonsense,

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it's not gonna go anywhere,

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That your idols cannot help you. These weird

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spirits you call on don't help you. They're

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like weird sacred wolf that, you know, see

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in a vision when you, you

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know, get high or whatever.

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It's not gonna help you. It's not really,

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you know, what's going on. It's all just

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that you have swimming around in your head.

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The is complete. You know it's true. They

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know it's true. If they don't accept it,

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it's just at that point. There's no real

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further explanation that's needed.

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Whereas if you bring the dua of the

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Rasool

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to in the salami or, they say we

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already have the Torah, we already have the

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Injeel, we already worship the same God, and

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we suspect that, you know, you'd bring nothing

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useful to us

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as an addition.

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And,

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you know, we're already doing it. Thank you

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very much. We don't need what you have.

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And so he says that there is a

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need for

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that they have to mix with our people,

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and we have to mix with their people

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so that they can see our prayers are

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not like their prayers,

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that our are not like their

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and that they have to see that our,

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you know, men are not like their men.

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Our women are not like their women. Our

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children are not like their children. Our duas

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are not like their duas.

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That you cannot do from far away. You

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have to mix. Because if you look at

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the genre of reputation,

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Christian refutation of Islam, in the Eastern church

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and Western church, they're dramatically different. In the

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Eastern church, they actually try to study Islam

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and refute it, and they do a relatively

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weaksauce job at it. What are their what

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are their, you know, accusations?

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Right?

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Their accusations against the prophet that he's violent

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man.

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Who's the one who did Auschwitz, and who's

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the one who, you know, depopulated the Iberian

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Peninsula of Musa and who's the one who,

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you know, you guys killed each other, like,

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mercilessly. You know? Who's the one who did

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all of this stuff? Then you can talk

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to us about, like, who's violent, who's not.

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Right? The first the first religious based violence,

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intra Islamic violence based on religion was what?

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Was the Mi'kna. Right?

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It was relatively later on. And who did

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it? It was the Martezilah who did it

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not Ahlus Sunnah.

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We have, like, solid several century, like, record

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of our of really no scholarly figure endorsing,

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intrareligious

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violence.

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We have a scholarly record of not forcing

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people to convert.

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And if someone

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completely it's purely

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political. The Qadi will invalidate it.

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It

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just doesn't even stand legally in our courts

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if someone is forced to convert. If they

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can prove it in front of the Qadi

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that this was all under duress, then, like,

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yeah, you're not you're not Muslim,

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to our sharia because your conversion doesn't even

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matter. It doesn't even count. It's not real.

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And,

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in general, that was a policy of the

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Muslims not to do it. This is why

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India is still filled with Hindus. This is

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why, you know, there are still, like, huge

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fractions of population in the Arab world that

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are still Christian. This is why there are

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Jewish communities that survived in,

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not you know, in in large parts of

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the Muslim world, etcetera, etcetera.

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We didn't have pogroms like,

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you know,

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like the Christians didn't when we did have

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them because they did happen.

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The most important thing is that they were

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not

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driven or sanctioned by the ulama, but they

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were driven

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and and and pushed by the, by politicians.

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Otherwise, the ulama, they they never, they never

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sanction these things because they're clearly haram in

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our Sharia. You cannot force a person to

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convert to Islam.

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And so

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that's really easy to make radav

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when someone makes a point. Like, what are

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the Eastern Christian

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objections about Islam?

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You guys are sexual perverts. Why? Because in

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in heaven, you know, you have * over

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there.

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I'm like, yeah. What is it? Well, you

00:27:07 --> 00:27:08

wanna, like, read the bible and play harp?

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What kind of Jannah is that? Nobody wants

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to go to Jannah. Like, you guys don't

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even wanna do that in this world. Like,

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how are you gonna wanna go to Jannah

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like that? Your own popes, your own priests,

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your own pastors are,

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you know,

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getting caught doing this, that, and the other

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thing. It's a halal. It's a nice thing.

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It's a if it was so bad, why

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would your mother have done it?

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I tell people I like, the thing is

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you have to when you're talking to people,

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you have to get to the point. Not

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everyone's gonna gonna be like, you guys come

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to Malekith Iqdas and listen to me yak

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for, like, 10 minutes. Right? So if it

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was that bad, why would your mother have

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done it?

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Not only she did it, she enjoyed it.

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Are you insulted by that? Why would you

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be insulted by that? It's nice, it's beautiful.

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You like it too. If you didn't like

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it, this wouldn't

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fascinate you. It's not a kabi thing to

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do. Right? Like, * is kabi. It's it's

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an ugly act. It's a dirty act. It

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smells bad. It looks bad. It's a horrible

00:28:00 --> 00:28:01

act. There's nothing wrong with it. A husband

00:28:01 --> 00:28:03

and wife love each other. Masha'Allah. Family. That's

00:28:03 --> 00:28:05

how that's how, like, all of it works.

00:28:05 --> 00:28:07

Right? If you wanna be pro life or

00:28:07 --> 00:28:09

whatever, right, the rational

00:28:09 --> 00:28:11

of that is that you have to you

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know, if life is a good thing, then

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what causes it has to be a good

00:28:14 --> 00:28:15

thing as well. Right?

00:28:16 --> 00:28:20

So, anyhoo, like, whatever. It's nice, It's it's

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it's a nice thing. It's you know, there's

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nothing wrong with it. It's easy to make

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right on this. Like any person on the

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street, any person, atheist on the street, if

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you tell them, like, okay, who makes more

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sense to you, Islam or Christianity? And

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original sin, and * is bad, and you

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should just be a drunkard instead. And they

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say, no. Keep your acola intact,

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go

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marry someone you love and enjoy yourself. Nobody

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is going to, like, think that one is,

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you know, that that that there's ambiguity of

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over which is superior or over the other.

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I remember I had in university, I had

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a a Catholic,

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classmate,

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nice guy,

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We got along.

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He would come. We'd invite him to

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our iftars in Ramadan.

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He ate briyani one time, and he bit

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into a stick of cinnamon. He goes, dude,

00:29:04 --> 00:29:06

why is there wood in my rice? He's

00:29:07 --> 00:29:08

a nice guy. You know,

00:29:08 --> 00:29:10

you know, we have I have good things

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to say about him.

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And then there's another there's another roommate of

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ours who was, like, kind of a

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devout atheist.

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And so I remember the Catholic one time,

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he's like he goes, you guys are religious

00:29:23 --> 00:29:25

lame, man. You guys don't can't even drink.

00:29:25 --> 00:29:26

I'm like, yeah. I guess. You

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know? I go, your religion is lame. You're

00:29:28 --> 00:29:30

a priest. They they never get married. They

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live a life in celibacy. And so he

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was now hemmed into the into a corner.

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And so, well, I'd rather drink than, like,

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do it. And the atheist is like, nah,

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dude. I'd rather do it.

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So this is the eastern this is the

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eastern

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Rad on Islam.

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The western church is like, are you kidding

00:29:48 --> 00:29:50

me? This is gonna be a complete catastrophe.

00:29:51 --> 00:29:52

We have to take a completely different tack.

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What's their different tack? Just lie about Islam.

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So, you know, for centuries, the the papacy

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used to promote the idea that the Saracens

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worship,

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an idol of a man who dresses up

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like a woman named.

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Does this have any rooting in any sort

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of reality?

00:30:13 --> 00:30:14

No.

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But

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ironic, in fact, that the people whose churches

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are filled with icons would accuse us of

00:30:19 --> 00:30:20

idolatry. Right?

00:30:21 --> 00:30:23

But it's a smart move because if they

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actually made Radha on, like, the actual beliefs

00:30:25 --> 00:30:27

and precepts of Islam, do you know what

00:30:27 --> 00:30:29

a catastrophe that would have been? Because

00:30:30 --> 00:30:31

this makes sense. That doesn't make any sense.

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You know? It just it makes absolutely no

00:30:33 --> 00:30:34

sense whatsoever.

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And so,

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anyhow,

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there's a need to

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to make to go talk to people. You

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know? They may not accept it today, tomorrow,

00:30:42 --> 00:30:44

or really ever, but they'll know inside of

00:30:44 --> 00:30:46

their hearts it's the truth when they see

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us praying 5 times a day and and,

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you know, not getting drunk and not committing

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zenai and not doing all of these things,

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which, sadly,

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many of our people are not really good

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at

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at at upholding that, and that's a double

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fire on them.

00:31:01 --> 00:31:02

Not only the fire on them for their

00:31:02 --> 00:31:04

own sins, but for the people that they

00:31:04 --> 00:31:04

also have,

00:31:05 --> 00:31:07

dropped the ball with in terms of representing

00:31:07 --> 00:31:09

the deen. It is haram. It is haram.

00:31:09 --> 00:31:11

It is haram for people to live in

00:31:11 --> 00:31:11

Dar al Kufr.

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If it's a fitna for you, if you

00:31:14 --> 00:31:15

wanna be a drunkard and you wanna be

00:31:15 --> 00:31:16

a womanizer,

00:31:16 --> 00:31:18

just move to the. Don't live here. It's

00:31:18 --> 00:31:20

not good. It's not good for you. It's

00:31:20 --> 00:31:21

not good for them. Look. What's worse than

00:31:21 --> 00:31:23

being a Zani and being a drunkard? Is

00:31:23 --> 00:31:25

being a Zani a drunkard and a kaffir?

00:31:26 --> 00:31:28

That's where it's gonna end up here over

00:31:28 --> 00:31:30

there. I've met drunkards in the Muslim world.

00:31:30 --> 00:31:32

I've met Zani's in the Muslim world or

00:31:32 --> 00:31:33

at least people who,

00:31:34 --> 00:31:35

you know, don't seem to

00:31:36 --> 00:31:40

project the projection of keeping the clothes clean.

00:31:40 --> 00:31:41

And,

00:31:43 --> 00:31:45

not not a single one of them would,

00:31:46 --> 00:31:46

you know,

00:31:48 --> 00:31:49

tolerate someone cursing

00:31:50 --> 00:31:50

the

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Why? Because they have iman inside their heart.

00:31:53 --> 00:31:54

Whereas here, you can have people pray 5

00:31:54 --> 00:31:56

times a day, and they're like, well, you

00:31:56 --> 00:31:57

know, that's like, you know, that's their right

00:31:57 --> 00:31:59

to say it and this and that. Right?

00:32:00 --> 00:32:01

And so

00:32:02 --> 00:32:03

put that issue aside.

00:32:03 --> 00:32:05

But we have our Muslim societies. Our traders

00:32:05 --> 00:32:07

used to go to different places and mix

00:32:07 --> 00:32:07

with people.

00:32:08 --> 00:32:10

And there was there were so many

00:32:11 --> 00:32:13

Nasara that lived with the Muslims that would

00:32:13 --> 00:32:15

come and go, get education,

00:32:15 --> 00:32:17

and locals. Right? Egypt, all of these different

00:32:17 --> 00:32:18

places. Right?

00:32:19 --> 00:32:20

They know who we are. They know who

00:32:20 --> 00:32:22

we are. They know our our shortcomings. They

00:32:22 --> 00:32:23

know our

00:32:24 --> 00:32:24

strengths and weaknesses,

00:32:25 --> 00:32:28

and, it affects them, actually. If you listen

00:32:28 --> 00:32:29

to a band that a or

00:32:30 --> 00:32:31

a will give on,

00:32:32 --> 00:32:34

you know, in Arabic about whatever, go listen

00:32:34 --> 00:32:37

to the Arab Christian, like, evangelical channels. It

00:32:37 --> 00:32:39

sounds very different than the way they talk

00:32:39 --> 00:32:41

over here, and it sounds very much like

00:32:42 --> 00:32:44

you know, except for certain formulaic differences, it

00:32:44 --> 00:32:46

sounds very much like the way Muslims talk.

00:32:47 --> 00:32:50

The Shanuda, the previous Coptic pope,

00:32:50 --> 00:32:51

right, you know, they used to hate on

00:32:51 --> 00:32:53

him because he told people not to eat

00:32:53 --> 00:32:55

pork. He wants to ask the someone asked

00:32:55 --> 00:32:56

how did your Arabic get so good? He

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

goes, you have to study the Quran. And

00:32:58 --> 00:32:58

they're,

00:32:58 --> 00:33:00

I said, well, that's a piece of literature.

00:33:00 --> 00:33:01

I don't believe in it, but it's, you

00:33:01 --> 00:33:03

know, it's really beautiful. And obviously, that's gonna

00:33:03 --> 00:33:05

affect people. Right? And then they know it's

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

the Haqq a person who studied the Quran,

00:33:07 --> 00:33:09

they can't say I didn't know. Right?

00:33:10 --> 00:33:11

And so,

00:33:14 --> 00:33:16

in a true sense will require what?

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

It will require that you eat together and

00:33:18 --> 00:33:19

that you live together,

00:33:20 --> 00:33:21

therefore, the

00:33:22 --> 00:33:23

the the.

00:33:24 --> 00:33:24

Now

00:33:25 --> 00:33:26

coming back to

00:33:27 --> 00:33:28

the state of Illinois or whatever,

00:33:33 --> 00:33:34

someone said, well, why is it then, you

00:33:34 --> 00:33:36

know, you guys try to shove this push

00:33:36 --> 00:33:38

this halal stuff down people's throat all the

00:33:38 --> 00:33:39

time?

00:33:39 --> 00:33:41

Isn't this an issue that is really just

00:33:41 --> 00:33:42

a difference of opinion and we should let

00:33:42 --> 00:33:43

it go?

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

Is, you know, something that's based on methodology,

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

and it's something based on objective facts.

00:33:50 --> 00:33:52

If I knew if I knew that

00:33:53 --> 00:33:54

the food was being slaughtered by a Christian

00:33:54 --> 00:33:55

or a Jew,

00:33:57 --> 00:33:59

then I would say, go go ahead and

00:33:59 --> 00:34:00

eat it. Go right ahead and eat it.

00:34:03 --> 00:34:04

Now will say, oh, back up,

00:34:05 --> 00:34:05

Hamza.

00:34:06 --> 00:34:07

You know, they say that to me. They

00:34:07 --> 00:34:09

say they call you know, all the all

00:34:09 --> 00:34:11

the everybody else, all the the cool, quote

00:34:11 --> 00:34:14

unquote, cool Maliki, you know, the bow tie.

00:34:14 --> 00:34:16

I wanna have a dog Maliki public. This,

00:34:16 --> 00:34:18

ah, this guy, he's not really Maliki. He's

00:34:18 --> 00:34:19

basically just undercover Hanafi.

00:34:22 --> 00:34:23

I know. People say it. And you know

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

what the Molana say to me? They say,

00:34:25 --> 00:34:26

oh, this is Sheikh Hamza.

00:34:27 --> 00:34:28

As if to say, oh, he's not a

00:34:28 --> 00:34:29

mole. He's not a real mole. He's a

00:34:29 --> 00:34:30

how can you be a mole? He's a

00:34:30 --> 00:34:33

Hanafi. He's not Hanafi. He's a Maliki.

00:34:33 --> 00:34:35

Right? So that's fine. I don't care.

00:34:36 --> 00:34:37

One way or the other, I don't care.

00:34:37 --> 00:34:38

So that's fine. They're not gonna they're not

00:34:38 --> 00:34:40

gonna agree with this. Right? But I'll say,

00:34:40 --> 00:34:41

well, it's the hap the hap is the

00:34:41 --> 00:34:43

hap. I'm not there to antagonize people. The

00:34:43 --> 00:34:45

hap is the hap. So if the farmer

00:34:45 --> 00:34:46

at the Amish,

00:34:47 --> 00:34:49

place that you get your, meat from or

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

whatever slaughters or, like, farmer gym from down

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

the road slaughters,

00:34:52 --> 00:34:54

Is halal's jais go ahead and eat it

00:34:55 --> 00:34:57

if it's a actual kosher place, because kosher

00:34:57 --> 00:34:59

is a whole scam just like halal is

00:34:59 --> 00:35:00

a scam in this country.

00:35:01 --> 00:35:03

But if it's actually kosher slaughtered,

00:35:04 --> 00:35:06

even if the rabbi doesn't say the on

00:35:06 --> 00:35:07

the

00:35:08 --> 00:35:08

or the

00:35:08 --> 00:35:09

doesn't say

00:35:10 --> 00:35:11

the on the animal that he's slaughtering.

00:35:13 --> 00:35:15

The the madar is what? That they should

00:35:15 --> 00:35:18

they should slaughter according to their standard, not

00:35:18 --> 00:35:19

according to ours.

00:35:19 --> 00:35:21

And in fact, you don't even have to

00:35:21 --> 00:35:23

go that far to invoke this opinion. Why?

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

Because if a is slaughtered and he doesn't

00:35:25 --> 00:35:27

say the Tasmee, the Maliki would say, we

00:35:27 --> 00:35:29

would give fatwa that that it's not jais.

00:35:29 --> 00:35:30

But if a Shafi'i is slaughtered and his

00:35:30 --> 00:35:31

that it's

00:35:31 --> 00:35:34

jais, then the hilaf means that you can

00:35:34 --> 00:35:35

eat it.

00:35:37 --> 00:35:38

So if we're not gonna make Ilzam of

00:35:38 --> 00:35:40

Shafei to our sharia to that degree, then

00:35:40 --> 00:35:42

how are we gonna make Ilzam of a

00:35:42 --> 00:35:42

rabbi to that

00:35:44 --> 00:35:47

degree? The problem in this country, is everybody

00:35:47 --> 00:35:48

here a Christian?

00:35:49 --> 00:35:49

No.

00:35:50 --> 00:35:51

Someone's like, well, you know,

00:35:53 --> 00:35:55

I don't even wanna mention, like, some of

00:35:55 --> 00:35:57

the dumb things people say, but, like, you

00:35:57 --> 00:35:59

know, so I'm sorry. You got pushed this

00:35:59 --> 00:36:00

thing, and it's really a difference of opinion.

00:36:00 --> 00:36:02

I go, it's not a difference of opinion.

00:36:02 --> 00:36:03

I go, do you think you you have

00:36:03 --> 00:36:03

that,

00:36:04 --> 00:36:06

the person who's slaughtering your meat is a

00:36:06 --> 00:36:08

Christian or a Jew? Well,

00:36:09 --> 00:36:11

I said, what percentage of of Americans

00:36:13 --> 00:36:15

are Christian by any Shar'i definition?

00:36:17 --> 00:36:20

60% is a very, very, very generous estimate.

00:36:22 --> 00:36:24

In the Shar'i school, almost nobody in America

00:36:24 --> 00:36:25

is really Christian.

00:36:28 --> 00:36:30

According to the school, the only person who's

00:36:30 --> 00:36:32

legally valid Christian or a Jew in,

00:36:33 --> 00:36:35

in the school is somebody

00:36:36 --> 00:36:40

who whose forefathers accepted Christianity before the Rasool

00:36:40 --> 00:36:41

Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam.

00:36:43 --> 00:36:45

They're grandfathered into the system.

00:36:46 --> 00:36:49

And the only valid Jew is somebody whose

00:36:49 --> 00:36:52

forefathers were Jews before Sayidna Isa Alaihi Islam.

00:36:54 --> 00:36:56

They're grandfathered into the system. So if somebody's

00:36:56 --> 00:36:58

family converted to Judaism, which is really, to

00:36:58 --> 00:37:01

be honest with you, there's a there's a

00:37:01 --> 00:37:02

there you know, there are people who make

00:37:02 --> 00:37:05

the argument that most of the Eastern European

00:37:05 --> 00:37:06

Jews are like the descendants of Khazars and

00:37:06 --> 00:37:08

things like that. They're not even according to

00:37:08 --> 00:37:11

that standard, standard. They're not even many Ashkenazi

00:37:11 --> 00:37:12

Jews may not even be actually

00:37:13 --> 00:37:14

Jews in that sense.

00:37:14 --> 00:37:16

I don't know, like, the actual

00:37:16 --> 00:37:18

reality of that or not. You know? But

00:37:19 --> 00:37:21

so push that aside, the Shafeh opinion to

00:37:21 --> 00:37:22

decide.

00:37:23 --> 00:37:25

Even in the Hanafi, even in the Maliki,

00:37:26 --> 00:37:28

Mahavs that are not that stringent.

00:37:32 --> 00:37:34

Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christians.

00:37:36 --> 00:37:37

Reform Jews are not Jews.

00:37:39 --> 00:37:41

Mormons are not Christians.

00:37:43 --> 00:37:46

If you keep tallying, tallying, tallying, you know,

00:37:47 --> 00:37:49

you know, who's a who's a Christian, who's

00:37:49 --> 00:37:50

not a Christian,

00:37:51 --> 00:37:53

60% just doesn't cut it. That means every

00:37:53 --> 00:37:54

2 days you're eating something haram. Like, it

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

doesn't work.

00:37:56 --> 00:37:58

Statistically, like, play the number play the numbers.

00:37:59 --> 00:38:00

Is like what? Like, how do you know

00:38:00 --> 00:38:03

the Muslim guy who who slaughtered your your

00:38:03 --> 00:38:04

animal is not really, like,

00:38:06 --> 00:38:07

a Qadiani or something like that.

00:38:08 --> 00:38:10

You catch those things. If it happened, it

00:38:10 --> 00:38:12

happened. But, like, that's a very rare

00:38:12 --> 00:38:14

a very rare thing. Once people catch it,

00:38:14 --> 00:38:16

they they ferret it out and it's done.

00:38:16 --> 00:38:17

It's known. Right?

00:38:18 --> 00:38:18

Whereas,

00:38:19 --> 00:38:21

you know, what is even Christianity in this

00:38:21 --> 00:38:23

country? The Lord knows best, You know, like,

00:38:23 --> 00:38:25

the Christianity nowadays just seems to be like

00:38:25 --> 00:38:27

you're a Trump voter. That's not

00:38:27 --> 00:38:28

that's not any

00:38:30 --> 00:38:32

standard for who's a Christian, who's not.

00:38:32 --> 00:38:34

And the issue is this is when there's

00:38:34 --> 00:38:35

shock, when there's doubt,

00:38:37 --> 00:38:38

then things return to their asshole.

00:38:39 --> 00:38:41

You know? So you have this idea in

00:38:41 --> 00:38:42

your mind that maybe I farted.

00:38:45 --> 00:38:46

Well, did you?

00:38:47 --> 00:38:47

I don't know. Maybe.

00:38:48 --> 00:38:50

Well, did you hear anything? Did you smell

00:38:50 --> 00:38:52

anything? Did you feel anything? Did you this?

00:38:52 --> 00:38:53

Did you that? If the answer is no

00:38:53 --> 00:38:55

to all of them, then you probably didn't.

00:38:55 --> 00:38:56

Right?

00:38:56 --> 00:38:58

It's not that there's some sort of, like,

00:38:58 --> 00:39:01

ultra secret, ultra smooth fart that is a

00:39:01 --> 00:39:03

fart but doesn't have any sifat of a

00:39:03 --> 00:39:04

fart in the real world that doesn't break

00:39:04 --> 00:39:07

your wudu. No. The point is, is what?

00:39:07 --> 00:39:09

Is that when you have a doubt about

00:39:09 --> 00:39:11

something, you ask certain questions to ascertain that,

00:39:11 --> 00:39:12

yes, this happened, no, it didn't. If you

00:39:12 --> 00:39:14

know it happened, then it happened. There's no

00:39:14 --> 00:39:16

need to even ask these questions. Right?

00:39:17 --> 00:39:17

So

00:39:18 --> 00:39:20

if you have a doubt about something, you

00:39:21 --> 00:39:21

assume

00:39:26 --> 00:39:28

that the thing that is that you know

00:39:28 --> 00:39:30

to have taken place to taken place and

00:39:30 --> 00:39:31

the thing that you doubt take took place

00:39:31 --> 00:39:33

until you have proof you, you know, you

00:39:33 --> 00:39:35

don't know what took place. So for example,

00:39:35 --> 00:39:36

if someone were to say, I went to

00:39:36 --> 00:39:39

the supermarket and, you know, there's carrots sitting

00:39:39 --> 00:39:40

there, and I don't know if the carrots

00:39:40 --> 00:39:41

are soaked in pig's blood.

00:39:42 --> 00:39:44

Is there any that indicates to you that

00:39:44 --> 00:39:44

that happened?

00:39:45 --> 00:39:46

If the answer is yes, look. There's like

00:39:46 --> 00:39:48

a carcass of 7 pigs that pour on

00:39:48 --> 00:39:50

this pile of carrots that is bleeding. Okay.

00:39:50 --> 00:39:51

Then

00:39:51 --> 00:39:52

don't eat the carrots.

00:39:53 --> 00:39:55

If there's no karina and it's just something

00:39:55 --> 00:39:57

in your head that that you have no

00:39:57 --> 00:39:59

no no daleel for and no

00:40:01 --> 00:40:05

nothing that corroborates that possibility even, then you

00:40:05 --> 00:40:06

dismiss it.

00:40:07 --> 00:40:09

Legally, you dismiss it. So even if it

00:40:09 --> 00:40:11

turns out that there's some super secret operation

00:40:11 --> 00:40:12

to soak it in pig's butt and then

00:40:12 --> 00:40:14

wash it off or whatever afterward, you know,

00:40:14 --> 00:40:16

then you legally, you're not at least you're

00:40:16 --> 00:40:17

not liable for that.

00:40:19 --> 00:40:21

So legally, the default position

00:40:21 --> 00:40:23

for many things is that their Tahir,

00:40:23 --> 00:40:25

what's the default position for meat?

00:40:26 --> 00:40:27

It's not just

00:40:29 --> 00:40:31

but Sheikh, people of the book, okay, Khas,

00:40:31 --> 00:40:33

if you know it's been slaughtered by people

00:40:33 --> 00:40:34

of the book, go ahead and eat it.

00:40:34 --> 00:40:36

Did I say, no. You can't eat it?

00:40:37 --> 00:40:39

I was in New York, Marshall. I took

00:40:39 --> 00:40:40

a Moana Saba. I won't take his name

00:40:40 --> 00:40:43

so that the other movies don't execute him.

00:40:44 --> 00:40:46

You know? I took him to,

00:40:47 --> 00:40:49

New York City to, like, you know, one

00:40:49 --> 00:40:50

of the, like, legit

00:40:50 --> 00:40:53

kosher places. You know? We had conducted an

00:40:53 --> 00:40:55

interview with the behind the the counter, and

00:40:55 --> 00:40:57

we saw, like, the rabbis with the

00:40:58 --> 00:40:59

with the curls, you know, the 4 locks,

00:40:59 --> 00:41:02

the pace, like, you know, and don't don't

00:41:02 --> 00:41:03

be insured and all that stuff. And we're

00:41:03 --> 00:41:04

like, okay.

00:41:04 --> 00:41:05

You know, like,

00:41:06 --> 00:41:08

let's see. Do you have, you know, like,

00:41:08 --> 00:41:09

have a corn beef sandwich or whatever? Or

00:41:09 --> 00:41:11

like there are places in Skokie and things

00:41:11 --> 00:41:12

like that halal

00:41:12 --> 00:41:15

diners, the kosher diners that are like that.

00:41:15 --> 00:41:18

So take take take a rebel bowlie over

00:41:18 --> 00:41:20

there and go eat with them, you know?

00:41:20 --> 00:41:22

It's fine. Go ahead. Go for it. I'll

00:41:22 --> 00:41:24

eat with you. But if you think that's

00:41:24 --> 00:41:26

what they're serving at, like, McDonald's or at

00:41:26 --> 00:41:27

Jewel Osco or at some random place,

00:41:29 --> 00:41:29

you're

00:41:32 --> 00:41:33

you can't say that the so and so

00:41:33 --> 00:41:35

Sheikh e Fatwa. The

00:41:36 --> 00:41:37

Mufti is like the

00:41:38 --> 00:41:41

prisoner of the Mustafi, the person who's asking

00:41:41 --> 00:41:42

the question. The Mufti can only answer the

00:41:42 --> 00:41:45

question that was asked. If the assumption and

00:41:45 --> 00:41:47

the question is that everybody in America is

00:41:47 --> 00:41:48

a Christian, then

00:41:48 --> 00:41:50

that's the situation he's giving fatu if we're

00:41:50 --> 00:41:52

not what's actually happening.

00:41:53 --> 00:41:54

So, you know,

00:41:55 --> 00:41:56

that's what that is.

00:41:57 --> 00:41:58

You like it. You don't like it. It

00:41:58 --> 00:42:00

it is what it is. It's not really

00:42:00 --> 00:42:01

a difference of opinion. It's not there's nobody

00:42:01 --> 00:42:04

can until somebody can prove to me that,

00:42:04 --> 00:42:05

you

00:42:05 --> 00:42:05

know,

00:42:07 --> 00:42:10

that that, you know, I can go more

00:42:10 --> 00:42:11

than 4 days

00:42:12 --> 00:42:15

without statistically eating something haram, then I'm not

00:42:15 --> 00:42:17

it's not really a very cogent argument. If

00:42:17 --> 00:42:18

you want it to be true, that's fine.

00:42:18 --> 00:42:20

You can want something to be true so

00:42:20 --> 00:42:22

much that it becomes reality for you. That's

00:42:22 --> 00:42:25

like a like a discussion to have with

00:42:25 --> 00:42:27

a psychiatrist. But, like, in the objective realm,

00:42:27 --> 00:42:29

that's that's that's how that is.

00:42:31 --> 00:42:34

And then he mentions this mas'allah that eating

00:42:34 --> 00:42:35

the fat

00:42:35 --> 00:42:35

of

00:42:36 --> 00:42:38

the slaughter of a Jew is Why?

00:42:40 --> 00:42:41

It's because

00:42:41 --> 00:42:42

they

00:42:42 --> 00:42:44

that's those are the parts that they throw

00:42:44 --> 00:42:44

away.

00:42:46 --> 00:42:47

So it's

00:42:47 --> 00:42:50

technically not haram, but it's makru. Why? Because

00:42:50 --> 00:42:52

you're humiliating yourself by eating the thing that

00:42:52 --> 00:42:53

they wouldn't eat themselves.

00:42:56 --> 00:42:57

In that sense,

00:42:57 --> 00:42:58

the

00:42:58 --> 00:43:02

for ruminants, you know, for like goats, sheep,

00:43:02 --> 00:43:02

cattle, etc,

00:43:03 --> 00:43:05

they only eat the front half of the

00:43:05 --> 00:43:05

animal.

00:43:07 --> 00:43:08

The back half, they don't eat.

00:43:09 --> 00:43:11

So many unscrupulous people will sell it as

00:43:11 --> 00:43:12

halal.

00:43:12 --> 00:43:13

Look.

00:43:14 --> 00:43:16

It may not be haram to eat, but

00:43:16 --> 00:43:18

to market it as if it's

00:43:18 --> 00:43:21

slaughtered by a Muslim or to maintain ambiguity.

00:43:21 --> 00:43:23

This is itself a sin. It's haram,

00:43:24 --> 00:43:26

you know, in the Buur. Anything that you

00:43:26 --> 00:43:27

know that if the person or you have

00:43:27 --> 00:43:29

a feeling that if a person knew about

00:43:29 --> 00:43:30

it, they would think that this is some

00:43:30 --> 00:43:33

sort of aid or defect or even suboptimality

00:43:33 --> 00:43:35

with regards to the product that you're selling.

00:43:35 --> 00:43:35

You are

00:43:36 --> 00:43:37

obliged

00:43:37 --> 00:43:39

to inform the person about it.

00:43:40 --> 00:43:42

And so to eat the part of the

00:43:42 --> 00:43:44

animal that's rejected by Hudi is

00:43:45 --> 00:43:46

khilaf. It's against

00:43:47 --> 00:43:49

and contrary to the honor of being a

00:43:49 --> 00:43:50

believer. That's why it's

00:43:51 --> 00:43:52

makru. Otherwise, the thing

00:43:52 --> 00:43:53

is

00:43:55 --> 00:43:56

is.

00:43:58 --> 00:43:59

And so he says

00:44:07 --> 00:44:09

the thing that was slaughtered by a

00:44:10 --> 00:44:10

a Zoroastrian

00:44:10 --> 00:44:14

fire worshiper is not permissible to eat. And

00:44:14 --> 00:44:15

so the Persians,

00:44:15 --> 00:44:18

they're they have this kind of legal status

00:44:18 --> 00:44:21

that that the that's kind of like ahlul

00:44:21 --> 00:44:22

kitab like.

00:44:23 --> 00:44:24

You can't eat their meat and you can't

00:44:24 --> 00:44:26

marry their people.

00:44:26 --> 00:44:28

But they did receive them, that they were

00:44:28 --> 00:44:30

allowed to pay jizya and,

00:44:32 --> 00:44:32

and,

00:44:33 --> 00:44:35

live in the society. They weren't they weren't

00:44:35 --> 00:44:37

treated like the idol worshipers of the Arabian

00:44:37 --> 00:44:38

Peninsula.

00:44:39 --> 00:44:42

And, you know, Melania, you tell me about

00:44:42 --> 00:44:43

is this essentially the same treatment that's in

00:44:43 --> 00:44:46

the Fatwa books meted out for the the,

00:44:47 --> 00:44:49

for in the Hanafis for the Hindus and

00:44:49 --> 00:44:50

things like that also. Right?

00:44:52 --> 00:44:53

Yeah that that was, you know,

00:44:54 --> 00:44:56

that that was what the what the what

00:44:56 --> 00:44:58

the fatwa is for that.

00:44:58 --> 00:44:59

That they lived under the

00:45:00 --> 00:45:02

in the Muslim state. They were not forced

00:45:02 --> 00:45:03

to,

00:45:03 --> 00:45:05

you know, they were not forced to convert

00:45:05 --> 00:45:05

or whatever.

00:45:06 --> 00:45:08

But they lived they lived with they lived

00:45:08 --> 00:45:10

under the no matter what, like, weird, like,

00:45:10 --> 00:45:12

fantastical BJP reports about, like,

00:45:13 --> 00:45:13

slaughtering,

00:45:14 --> 00:45:16

like, more Hindus than actually existed at that

00:45:16 --> 00:45:18

time type of stories that they tell that

00:45:18 --> 00:45:20

whip their people up into, like, an emotional

00:45:20 --> 00:45:21

frenzy. But no, actually,

00:45:22 --> 00:45:23

the most loyal soldiers

00:45:24 --> 00:45:26

of the empire were all Hindu Rajputs,

00:45:26 --> 00:45:28

and they would offer to convert.

00:45:29 --> 00:45:31

And this the the

00:45:31 --> 00:45:32

the Padishah would

00:45:33 --> 00:45:35

decline the offer again and again.

00:45:39 --> 00:45:41

The Muslim soldiers would sell out, but the

00:45:41 --> 00:45:44

Hindu Rajputs would stay loyal to the throne.

00:45:44 --> 00:45:46

And they had very high positions in the,

00:45:47 --> 00:45:50

in the government. They were oftentimes the ministers

00:45:50 --> 00:45:52

and things like that. Even when something like

00:45:52 --> 00:45:53

for example, they, you know, they they would

00:45:53 --> 00:45:55

happen. The Mughals would, like, sack a temple

00:45:55 --> 00:45:57

or whatever. It would be for political reasons.

00:45:57 --> 00:45:57

Why is the

00:45:58 --> 00:46:00

why would you say that is because the

00:46:00 --> 00:46:01

Hindus are the ones actually doing that. The

00:46:01 --> 00:46:03

soldiers doing the sacking and things like that.

00:46:03 --> 00:46:05

They're the prime ministers making the decisions. And

00:46:05 --> 00:46:06

Molla, India, like, it's very,

00:46:07 --> 00:46:08

it's really fascinating

00:46:09 --> 00:46:09

talk to

00:46:10 --> 00:46:10

about it. Right?

00:46:11 --> 00:46:14

Such a such a minuscule minority, how it

00:46:14 --> 00:46:16

reigned over such a huge country.

00:46:16 --> 00:46:19

It was not possible without without collaboration from

00:46:19 --> 00:46:20

the locals.

00:46:20 --> 00:46:23

And that collaboration was very deep. That's why

00:46:23 --> 00:46:26

even the most acrid Hindu nationalist who

00:46:26 --> 00:46:29

hates Muslims by day night cannot say 5

00:46:29 --> 00:46:31

sentences without using, like, 10 words of Persian

00:46:31 --> 00:46:32

and Arabic in it.

00:46:33 --> 00:46:36

You know? You can say instead of but

00:46:36 --> 00:46:38

how what what what are you gonna use

00:46:38 --> 00:46:40

to substitute for Lincoln?

00:46:41 --> 00:46:43

For lack and how are you gonna substitute

00:46:43 --> 00:46:43

for that?

00:46:45 --> 00:46:48

It's just become part of the air that

00:46:48 --> 00:46:49

they that they breathe.

00:46:50 --> 00:46:52

I remember listening to some,

00:46:53 --> 00:46:56

crazy, like, rabbit, like, idol worshiper who's, like,

00:46:56 --> 00:46:58

ranting about genocide, you know.

00:47:04 --> 00:47:05

Come on, man.

00:47:05 --> 00:47:08

Right? Even the word, you know, it's they

00:47:08 --> 00:47:09

can't they can't do anything about it. They

00:47:09 --> 00:47:12

themselves are unaware about about about, you know,

00:47:12 --> 00:47:14

how deeply ingrained it is in their into

00:47:14 --> 00:47:15

the culture. That was

00:47:16 --> 00:47:19

decision consciously that their forefathers accepted. Because what?

00:47:19 --> 00:47:21

It wasn't so bad. Maybe you're okay. You're

00:47:21 --> 00:47:22

a Hindu. You want Hindus to rule. Like,

00:47:22 --> 00:47:24

I understand that, but it wasn't that bad.

00:47:25 --> 00:47:25

Anyhow,

00:47:26 --> 00:47:28

so the the slaughter of Majusi is not

00:47:28 --> 00:47:30

is not valid even though they have

00:47:37 --> 00:47:39

But anything that they eat that doesn't that

00:47:39 --> 00:47:42

doesn't require, like, an animal to be slaughtered,

00:47:42 --> 00:47:42

that's

00:47:43 --> 00:47:44

that's not haram.

00:47:45 --> 00:47:46

And so this is a a great proof

00:47:46 --> 00:47:48

in the Haqq of the Hanaf.

00:47:49 --> 00:47:51

And this is possibly why even Temi actually

00:47:51 --> 00:47:53

sides with them against the in

00:47:53 --> 00:47:56

terms of the cheese. Because cheese has rennet.

00:47:56 --> 00:47:58

Right? Which is a microbial plaque that grows

00:47:58 --> 00:47:59

on the inside of

00:48:00 --> 00:48:02

the digestive tract of

00:48:02 --> 00:48:05

animals that is it kind of polymerizes the

00:48:05 --> 00:48:06

reaction of curdling

00:48:06 --> 00:48:09

milk into cheese, is that the

00:48:10 --> 00:48:12

would eat the cheese that the Persians made,

00:48:13 --> 00:48:14

and there's no recorded

00:48:15 --> 00:48:18

objection to this practice. Right?

00:48:19 --> 00:48:19

And

00:48:20 --> 00:48:22

it's understood that whatever is not slaughtered from

00:48:22 --> 00:48:23

amongst their food

00:48:24 --> 00:48:24

is,

00:48:25 --> 00:48:27

is halal. Now both Malik and Abu Hanifa,

00:48:28 --> 00:48:30

they actually said that the infiha, the the

00:48:30 --> 00:48:32

rennet is not actually part of the animal.

00:48:33 --> 00:48:35

How did they know that? You know, maybe

00:48:35 --> 00:48:36

that's what something

00:48:37 --> 00:48:39

gave to Imam Abu Hanifa, like, every night

00:48:39 --> 00:48:40

when he was finishing the Quran. Like, somehow

00:48:41 --> 00:48:43

showed him something that normal people don't see.

00:48:43 --> 00:48:44

We talked about in the beginning of the

00:48:44 --> 00:48:45

dars. Right?

00:48:46 --> 00:48:47

Being pious is not just a waste of

00:48:47 --> 00:48:49

time. There's and then at some point or

00:48:49 --> 00:48:50

another, when people say this person has a

00:48:50 --> 00:48:52

nur in their heart, like, it means something.

00:48:52 --> 00:48:54

It's not just something like the say. Right?

00:48:56 --> 00:48:58

You know, maybe some Malik

00:48:58 --> 00:48:59

when he would see the

00:49:00 --> 00:49:02

in a vision every night when he slept.

00:49:04 --> 00:49:06

Maybe something or another he learned in that.

00:49:06 --> 00:49:08

Like, I don't know how they knew that,

00:49:08 --> 00:49:10

but it is what it is.

00:49:10 --> 00:49:12

At any rate, the the point is is

00:49:12 --> 00:49:14

that the the unslaughtered part of the food

00:49:14 --> 00:49:15

you can go have, like, go have your

00:49:15 --> 00:49:17

masala dosa with, you know,

00:49:17 --> 00:49:18

you know,

00:49:19 --> 00:49:21

your Hindu friends. That's fine.

00:49:22 --> 00:49:23

Yeah. Yeah.

00:49:29 --> 00:49:31

For what? Does it is it did it

00:49:31 --> 00:49:32

have that classification

00:49:36 --> 00:49:37

when it's mentioned in the books of the

00:49:37 --> 00:49:38

Maliki, it means

00:49:40 --> 00:49:40

is

00:49:42 --> 00:49:44

just haram because there's no distinguish the the

00:49:44 --> 00:49:47

distinction, like, and in a sense, in a

00:49:47 --> 00:49:49

practical sense, what the Hanafis consider,

00:49:49 --> 00:49:51

and Farhad are practically exactly the same.

00:49:52 --> 00:49:53

If you do it, you receive a reward.

00:49:53 --> 00:49:55

If you don't do it, it's a sin.

00:49:55 --> 00:49:57

Right? And the same thing with the with

00:49:57 --> 00:49:59

the Magru, Taharimi, and Haram.

00:49:59 --> 00:50:00

If you do it, it's a sin, and

00:50:00 --> 00:50:02

if you abstain from it, it's a reward.

00:50:02 --> 00:50:05

The difference is that is the issue. Right?

00:50:05 --> 00:50:06

That the fart if you make in kadav

00:50:06 --> 00:50:08

it, you're a kadav. Whereas, you know, if

00:50:08 --> 00:50:10

you denied the farthest, the farther you're kafir.

00:50:10 --> 00:50:12

Whereas, you denied the wajib as a farthest,

00:50:12 --> 00:50:14

it's a difference of opinion. We just say

00:50:14 --> 00:50:16

you're wrong. And the same thing on the

00:50:16 --> 00:50:18

you know? So the the Malekis don't,

00:50:18 --> 00:50:22

to my understanding, nobody retains that distinction. Actually,

00:50:22 --> 00:50:24

the distinction between Fardan and Wajid, this particular

00:50:24 --> 00:50:26

author, Ibn Abi Zaid, he makes in his

00:50:26 --> 00:50:28

in his book, but to my knowledge, he's

00:50:28 --> 00:50:30

the only Maliki that actually uses that.

00:50:30 --> 00:50:32

And on the flip side, he doesn't use

00:50:32 --> 00:50:34

Makru to mean anything except for Makru Tanzihi.

00:50:35 --> 00:50:38

Yeah. So what is what is makru, tanzihi?

00:50:40 --> 00:50:42

Makru when we say Makru, it means

00:50:43 --> 00:50:45

something that if you do it, it's not

00:50:45 --> 00:50:47

a sin, but if you abstain from it,

00:50:47 --> 00:50:49

there's a reward. It's the analog. If he

00:50:49 --> 00:50:50

says this thing is a sunnah or it's

00:50:50 --> 00:50:52

recommended, meaning if you don't do it, it's

00:50:52 --> 00:50:53

not a sin. Like, if you don't pray

00:50:53 --> 00:50:54

fajr,

00:50:54 --> 00:50:55

it's a sin.

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If you pray fajr, it's reward.

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If you don't pray the sunnahs before fajr,

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it's not a sin. But if you do

00:51:01 --> 00:51:03

pray, then there's a reward. On the flip

00:51:03 --> 00:51:04

side, the things that are makru that the

00:51:04 --> 00:51:06

sharia prefers that a person not do, if

00:51:06 --> 00:51:08

you abstain from it, it's a reward. But

00:51:08 --> 00:51:10

if you do it, it's not a sin.

00:51:10 --> 00:51:10

Whereas

00:51:11 --> 00:51:13

in the Hanafi Usul, it's a sin if

00:51:13 --> 00:51:14

you do it. It's haram. I mean, it's

00:51:14 --> 00:51:17

it's haram. Functionally, it's haram. It's just that

00:51:17 --> 00:51:18

akhideh shu is

00:51:19 --> 00:51:21

murakab on on top of it.

00:51:23 --> 00:51:25

I wish there was a different word, just

00:51:25 --> 00:51:27

like wadz bin fard, so that there would

00:51:27 --> 00:51:29

be no ambiguity about it. But who's gonna

00:51:29 --> 00:51:30

go back to

00:51:31 --> 00:51:33

Kufa, you know, so many centuries ago and

00:51:33 --> 00:51:36

talk about that? And there's probably they probably

00:51:36 --> 00:51:37

had the discussion and decided not to for

00:51:37 --> 00:51:38

some good reason.

00:51:40 --> 00:51:41

Okay. So that's that's

00:51:42 --> 00:51:44

that's that. It says that, it says that

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there are other food food that doesn't require

00:51:46 --> 00:51:48

any slaughter. It's not haram.

00:51:50 --> 00:51:51

So

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To hunt

00:51:59 --> 00:52:01

for the purposes of sport or entertainment.

00:52:05 --> 00:52:05

Is,

00:52:08 --> 00:52:08

Makru.

00:52:13 --> 00:52:15

This is if you eat the

00:52:16 --> 00:52:17

if you eat the catch.

00:52:18 --> 00:52:21

If you waste the catch, then it's haram.

00:52:23 --> 00:52:25

You understand what I'm saying?

00:52:25 --> 00:52:28

Let's go hunting. We'll eat it, But it's

00:52:28 --> 00:52:29

just for entertainment.

00:52:30 --> 00:52:32

There's no need there's no need for it,

00:52:32 --> 00:52:34

and it's not like, you know, it's just

00:52:34 --> 00:52:36

for entertainment. It's because it's fun.

00:52:38 --> 00:52:38

Whereas,

00:52:39 --> 00:52:40

hunting for,

00:52:41 --> 00:52:43

that's not for the purposes of entertainment, but

00:52:43 --> 00:52:45

it's actually to catch something to eat or

00:52:45 --> 00:52:47

something like that. There are other reasons that

00:52:47 --> 00:52:49

are not lahu. Right? There are other reasons

00:52:49 --> 00:52:50

that are not just entertainment.

00:52:51 --> 00:52:54

Hunting oftentimes is a a way for soldiers

00:52:54 --> 00:52:56

to hone certain skills that they need for

00:52:56 --> 00:52:57

war,

00:52:58 --> 00:52:59

stalking prey,

00:53:03 --> 00:53:03

marksmanship,

00:53:05 --> 00:53:06

these types of things.

00:53:08 --> 00:53:09

These are sharia countenanced,

00:53:10 --> 00:53:12

skills that need to be kept by certain

00:53:12 --> 00:53:12

people.

00:53:15 --> 00:53:16

That's permissible.

00:53:18 --> 00:53:21

Now, obviously, not every not every animal is

00:53:22 --> 00:53:22

edible.

00:53:24 --> 00:53:26

To kill something that there's no Sharia sanction

00:53:26 --> 00:53:27

used for at all,

00:53:29 --> 00:53:31

and there's no benefit in killing them. Like,

00:53:31 --> 00:53:32

for example, wild boars, you're not gonna eat

00:53:32 --> 00:53:34

them. You're not gonna really use the hide

00:53:34 --> 00:53:36

or anything for anything, but they do overrun

00:53:36 --> 00:53:38

and destroy, like, crops and things like that.

00:53:38 --> 00:53:40

So there's some Sharia sanctioned benefit. Just to

00:53:40 --> 00:53:42

kill for the sake of killing and

00:53:42 --> 00:53:44

no utility, that itself is haram.

00:53:45 --> 00:53:48

But there are ways of hunting for entertainment

00:53:48 --> 00:53:50

for the purpose of entertainment that you can,

00:53:50 --> 00:53:52

like, you eat whatever you catch, or there's

00:53:52 --> 00:53:53

some other,

00:53:54 --> 00:53:56

there's some other, thing that you can claim

00:53:56 --> 00:53:58

as a, you know, some sort of benefit

00:53:58 --> 00:53:59

of it. That's,

00:54:00 --> 00:54:00

there's a

00:54:01 --> 00:54:03

a separation between those things.

00:54:06 --> 00:54:08

And so to to hunt for for reasons

00:54:08 --> 00:54:09

other than

00:54:10 --> 00:54:13

other than lahu is is is permissible. Because

00:54:13 --> 00:54:14

hunting is difficult. Right? Like, you have your

00:54:14 --> 00:54:16

salat and you're stalking prey. You have to

00:54:16 --> 00:54:18

stalk prey sometimes for, like, days on end.

00:54:18 --> 00:54:20

And, you miss your salat and things like

00:54:20 --> 00:54:22

that. You have to stock the prey from

00:54:22 --> 00:54:25

downwind. And when you shoot it, then you

00:54:25 --> 00:54:26

have to keep stocking it as well because

00:54:26 --> 00:54:28

it'll run for some time. You have to

00:54:28 --> 00:54:29

catch up with it. It's still dangerous. It

00:54:29 --> 00:54:30

has to bleed a little bit before you

00:54:30 --> 00:54:32

can get anywhere close to it, and things

00:54:32 --> 00:54:34

like that. So the problem with the lahu

00:54:34 --> 00:54:36

is what? As you miss your prayers, and

00:54:36 --> 00:54:36

it kinda

00:54:37 --> 00:54:40

it becomes a a a, enough of a

00:54:40 --> 00:54:42

distraction that it's not why would you do

00:54:42 --> 00:54:43

that if you didn't need to? Or if

00:54:43 --> 00:54:44

there wasn't some

00:54:45 --> 00:54:46

other than eating, like, you know, there are

00:54:46 --> 00:54:48

other reasons to do it, but why would

00:54:48 --> 00:54:49

you do it if there's no reason?

00:54:52 --> 00:54:53

Yes. Question.

00:54:54 --> 00:54:56

Someone raised their hand. Yeah. So there's no

00:54:56 --> 00:54:58

situation where I go hunting.

00:54:58 --> 00:55:00

You know? Like, for example, like,

00:55:01 --> 00:55:03

if you cannot if you can purchase the

00:55:03 --> 00:55:04

meat,

00:55:04 --> 00:55:06

for example Mhmm. You still go hunting because

00:55:06 --> 00:55:08

I guess Yeah.

00:55:08 --> 00:55:09

I mean, the thing is if it's not

00:55:09 --> 00:55:11

for entertainment, if it's for the purpose of,

00:55:11 --> 00:55:11

like,

00:55:12 --> 00:55:14

spending time with nature and

00:55:14 --> 00:55:16

learning something about what's around you, and

00:55:17 --> 00:55:19

keeping the skills that are necessary for war

00:55:19 --> 00:55:20

or for self defense

00:55:20 --> 00:55:21

or

00:55:22 --> 00:55:22

whatever.

00:55:23 --> 00:55:25

There should be a reason other than entertainment.

00:55:26 --> 00:55:28

Killing stuff for sport, people who do that

00:55:28 --> 00:55:29

are jerks.

00:55:29 --> 00:55:30

And,

00:55:31 --> 00:55:33

there's actually a good thing about modern sensibility

00:55:33 --> 00:55:34

is we don't appreciate that.

00:55:35 --> 00:55:36

It's good. We shouldn't appreciate that.

00:55:37 --> 00:55:39

There's something inhuman about killing things for no

00:55:39 --> 00:55:39

reason.

00:55:45 --> 00:55:46

So you mentioned,

00:55:47 --> 00:55:49

like, shooting the animal. Mhmm.

00:55:50 --> 00:55:52

How does that work? Like, I know, like,

00:55:52 --> 00:55:55

there's a specific way of the slaughter. Mhmm.

00:55:56 --> 00:55:58

So is it permissible to shoot the animal?

00:56:00 --> 00:56:00

So

00:56:01 --> 00:56:03

the issue of bullets, let's put it to

00:56:03 --> 00:56:04

the side for a second. Okay.

00:56:04 --> 00:56:06

One of the things I think we mentioned

00:56:06 --> 00:56:11

in last week's, Darce, is that whenever you

00:56:11 --> 00:56:12

release,

00:56:12 --> 00:56:14

the implement of hunting,

00:56:14 --> 00:56:17

be it an arrow, a spear, throw a

00:56:17 --> 00:56:18

spear, or if it's a hunting animal, you

00:56:18 --> 00:56:21

let it release the animal or whatever. Yeah.

00:56:21 --> 00:56:23

You say at that time, and then whatever

00:56:23 --> 00:56:25

whatever you know you know, with the intention

00:56:25 --> 00:56:27

that whatever you you're shooting it out or

00:56:27 --> 00:56:29

possibly shooting it out or throwing it out

00:56:29 --> 00:56:32

or releasing it on, that, that whatever it

00:56:32 --> 00:56:35

catches is done halal, then it's halal. Okay.

00:56:35 --> 00:56:36

And like we mentioned that if you can

00:56:36 --> 00:56:37

catch up to the animal,

00:56:38 --> 00:56:40

because wild animals will not go down without

00:56:40 --> 00:56:41

a fight, if you can catch up to

00:56:41 --> 00:56:43

an animal safely, slaughter it before it's completely

00:56:43 --> 00:56:44

dead, you're actually obliged to do so. It's

00:56:44 --> 00:56:46

gonna mention it,

00:56:46 --> 00:56:47

in a little bit. We're not gonna get

00:56:47 --> 00:56:49

to that part of the day Okay. Because

00:56:49 --> 00:56:51

our hour is almost up. But,

00:56:52 --> 00:56:54

you know, that's that's what that is. Now

00:56:54 --> 00:56:56

the issue with the gun is what?

00:56:57 --> 00:56:59

The bullet itself is not sharp, is it?

00:56:59 --> 00:57:01

It can't cut. It rips.

00:57:01 --> 00:57:04

Yeah. And so for this reason, many of

00:57:04 --> 00:57:05

the modern

00:57:06 --> 00:57:07

jurists have said that it's

00:57:08 --> 00:57:09

improper to

00:57:11 --> 00:57:13

make an analogy between it and between like

00:57:13 --> 00:57:14

an arrow.

00:57:14 --> 00:57:16

Why? Because the arrowhead is sharp. It cuts.

00:57:18 --> 00:57:18

However,

00:57:19 --> 00:57:21

I think it's still, you know,

00:57:21 --> 00:57:23

Like, if you're using, like, hollow point,

00:57:23 --> 00:57:25

you know, the slug, like, makes a huge

00:57:25 --> 00:57:27

hole, like, exit wound or whatever,

00:57:27 --> 00:57:29

that's different than something that has a tip

00:57:29 --> 00:57:30

that actually, you know,

00:57:32 --> 00:57:34

pierces in the the you know? I I

00:57:34 --> 00:57:36

don't know. I think there's there's a a

00:57:36 --> 00:57:37

discussion that can be made. Or and there's

00:57:37 --> 00:57:40

a difference between using a bullet that has

00:57:40 --> 00:57:42

a tip and using, like, shot, like, shotguns,

00:57:42 --> 00:57:45

buckshot, and things like that. There's actually apparently,

00:57:45 --> 00:57:45

Manojunayd

00:57:46 --> 00:57:48

Kharsani. I don't know if you ever remember.

00:57:49 --> 00:57:50

I don't know. You never got to me.

00:57:50 --> 00:57:52

We had programs in Seattle. You were probably

00:57:53 --> 00:57:53

still

00:57:55 --> 00:57:57

you were still in the crib for Mahdi

00:57:57 --> 00:57:59

Sabian when when he came. He mentioned that

00:57:59 --> 00:58:02

there was there was, someone in South Africa,

00:58:02 --> 00:58:03

a Muslim hunter, who actually,

00:58:04 --> 00:58:05

patented a,

00:58:05 --> 00:58:07

patent for for shot,

00:58:08 --> 00:58:10

buckshot, and things like that in the shotgun.

00:58:10 --> 00:58:13

But the sphere actually had, like, like, 2

00:58:14 --> 00:58:15

rings,

00:58:15 --> 00:58:18

2 orthogonal rings around them that were actually

00:58:18 --> 00:58:18

sharpened

00:58:19 --> 00:58:21

so that it cuts in instead of ripping

00:58:21 --> 00:58:21

in.

00:58:24 --> 00:58:27

Technologies that weren't developed by Muslims and not

00:58:27 --> 00:58:28

fostered by Muslims.

00:58:29 --> 00:58:31

But the point is is what is a

00:58:31 --> 00:58:33

type of it's a type of cruelty to

00:58:33 --> 00:58:34

rip the meat of the animal. I don't

00:58:34 --> 00:58:36

know in that sense if one can say

00:58:36 --> 00:58:36

that.

00:58:39 --> 00:58:41

It's a discussion to be had. It's probably

00:58:41 --> 00:58:42

beyond my pay grade to give my opinion

00:58:42 --> 00:58:44

about it. I'm just mentioning that this is

00:58:45 --> 00:58:47

this is a difference, and it's an ideological

00:58:47 --> 00:58:49

difference. So go buy bow hunting and buy

00:58:49 --> 00:58:50

your meat from

00:58:50 --> 00:58:53

from the halal butcher inshallah. That's my advice.

00:58:54 --> 00:58:56

Inshallah, we'll continue next

00:59:00 --> 00:59:01

week.

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