Hamzah Wald Maqbul – Brunei and Punishing Gay Sex With Death Ribat 04042019

Hamzah Wald Maqbul
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The speaker discusses the negative impact of media and colonialist propaganda on Muslims, including their belief that sex is a deathly hazard and their lack of belief in the Sharia. They also address the issue of punishment and the importance of not admiting crimes. The speaker emphasizes the need for support in political and political issues and acknowledges people's beliefs to achieve consensus. They also stress the importance of acknowledging and affirming people's beliefs to avoid unnecessary legal proceedings and avoid unnecessary political proceedings.

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			So the BBC runs a
		
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			an a headline saying Brunei punishes *
		
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			with death.
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, anyone who has any sort of
		
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			rudimentary understanding of the Sharia,
		
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			knows that this is an entirely sensationalist headline.
		
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			I think it's very clear that to the
		
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			point,
		
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			that that headline was
		
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			run, it was also,
		
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			unfactual that Brunei had not hitherto nor during
		
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			the running of that article actually punished, any
		
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			* with death.
		
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			And, you know, to be fair, the BBC,
		
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			like, later on changed
		
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			the, the headline,
		
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			to, Brunei to punish * with death,
		
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			which is, I guess,
		
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			not as factually incorrect. Although I wouldn't I
		
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			wouldn't say,
		
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			I wouldn't say that it's
		
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			a 100% correct either. But,
		
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			you know, it it betrays
		
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			a a a sort of agenda and a
		
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			sort of reaction and a sort of subjectivity
		
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			with regards to the matter,
		
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			on behalf of,
		
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			you know, something that I guess
		
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			when, you know, faced with Fox News and,
		
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			the other
		
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			the other, I guess, like, Iraq war cheerleading
		
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			type,
		
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			compromised news media,
		
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			people somehow look to for some sort of
		
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			objectivity and clarity.
		
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			I think it's very clear that it's not
		
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			it's not there.
		
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			And, you know, you know, you can say,
		
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			I'm not objective either.
		
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			The most objective of people are the ones
		
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			who are the quickest to admit their own
		
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			subjectivities,
		
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			and Allah knows best. So I don't know
		
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			about Brunei as a sultanate, as a country,
		
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			their history, their people, their courts, their judges,
		
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			the how did they canonize
		
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			the, the the fit into
		
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			an implemented sharia? How competent are they at
		
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			hearing cases,
		
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			and at adjudicating them?
		
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			And really, to be honest with you, the
		
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			purpose of this recording is not necessarily to
		
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			exonerate Brunei per se,
		
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			because I have very little or to no
		
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			connection that I know of other than the
		
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			fact that they're mostly Muslims and I'm a
		
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			Muslim too,
		
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			with,
		
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			this small
		
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			sultanate,
		
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			which is,
		
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			on on the island of Borneo, which I've
		
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			never been to in my life.
		
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			But the reason for this recording is what?
		
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			Is because
		
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			there are a lot of people who,
		
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			are Muslims
		
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			that, you know, interact with non Muslims on
		
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			a daily basis,
		
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			at their school, work, businesses,
		
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			their neighbors, etcetera.
		
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			And they may not know a whole lot
		
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			about,
		
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			the Sharia and how how it works, how
		
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			it functions.
		
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			And, headlines like this may be a cause
		
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			of embarrassment for them. They may feel like
		
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			Islam sounds really barbaric,
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, because of because of their lack
		
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			of understanding of the subtlety and nuance in
		
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			the situation,
		
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			they they may resort to certain
		
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			counterproductive
		
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			and non helpful
		
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			modes of reaction.
		
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			Like, well, I'm not one of those Muslims,
		
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			I drink a beer, or,
		
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			you know,
		
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			homosexuality isn't really punishable by death in the
		
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			Sharia,
		
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			which is
		
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			which is, you know, again,
		
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			depending on your understanding of the situation, it
		
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			could or could not be.
		
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			It could be true or could not be
		
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			true.
		
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			Or,
		
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			you know, I believe that Islam just, you
		
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			know, lets a person do whatever they want
		
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			as long as they're a good person. These
		
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			types of these types of, these types of
		
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			counterproductive,
		
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			non productive,
		
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			reactions which, through which a person will compromise
		
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			their own akhirah,
		
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			and they're also going to be disingenuous and
		
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			dishonest with regards to Islam. So,
		
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			you know, if you're interested in educating yourself
		
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			and then making a decision
		
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			based on,
		
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			some information that you may not have had
		
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			from before, Insha'Allah,
		
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			my, my hope is that this,
		
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			this recording will be somewhat beneficial to you.
		
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			And, you know, if you listen to the
		
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			whole thing and you still, you know, don't
		
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			agree with me as undoubtedly many people
		
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			will in this recording and have
		
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			in the past. That's okay.
		
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			Your account is between you and Allah. I'm
		
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			not the one who's gonna take you to
		
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			account. And
		
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			so, you know, I'm not I'm not gonna
		
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			trip out about that. Now what I will
		
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			say, even if you do continue to disagree,
		
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			I think a little bit more information,
		
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			for those who didn't know it, it's always
		
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			helpful. It even allows the disagreement to be
		
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			more helpful.
		
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			So
		
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			the first thing, I wanted to mention
		
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			is,
		
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			that
		
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			the media and,
		
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			I guess colonialist and post colonialist
		
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			propaganda seeks to portray Muslims as being
		
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			mindless slaves of the law.
		
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			And, that is,
		
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			for anyone who knows any Muslims, a 100%
		
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			not the case. A majority of the Muslim
		
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			world doesn't even pray 5 times a day,
		
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			unfortunately.
		
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			And a majority of the Muslim world,
		
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			you know,
		
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			may respect the Sharia, but they're not ironically,
		
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			they're not religious in their implementation of it
		
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			or even in their
		
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			understanding of it.
		
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			And,
		
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			this idea that, you know, Muslims are somehow,
		
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			wherever they are,
		
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			they're they're somehow like mindless slaves to the
		
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			letter of the law.
		
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			I believe part of it comes from the
		
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			fact that the the Christian tradition doesn't have
		
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			a law in the first place.
		
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			And so,
		
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			as a common old school polemic against Jews,
		
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			who they blamed for being people who implemented
		
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			the letter of the law, and didn't understand
		
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			the spirit of the law.
		
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			You know, they they they somehow point Muslims
		
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			into the same corner in order to demonize
		
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			them. The fact of the matter is is
		
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			that, you know,
		
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			when you're talking to your non Muslim
		
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			friends or neighbors, or even your Muslim friends
		
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			and neighbors who are
		
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			not so super educated with the Sharia, or
		
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			maybe not even so practicing,
		
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			the first thing
		
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			I would suggest telling them is that, look,
		
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			my religion doesn't tell me that I'm gonna
		
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			come to your house and stone you to
		
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			death.
		
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			Rather, this headline of Brunei,
		
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			punishes * with death or, Brunei to
		
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			punish * with death.
		
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			First of all, you have to, you have
		
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			to define what does * mean.
		
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			And, at this point, I guess if there
		
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			are, like, young ones who are listening and
		
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			parents are sensitive with regards to what they
		
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			hear, which they should be if they're good
		
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			parents,
		
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			it may be time to, you know, pause,
		
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			the recording, listen to it rate later.
		
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			But,
		
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			the sharia has a had punishment.
		
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			It has a sacred mandated corporal and or
		
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			capital punishment,
		
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			with regards to illicit sexual *.
		
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			And this is not limited
		
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			to,
		
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			homosexuality,
		
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			but it includes
		
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			illicit heterosexual
		
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			sexual *.
		
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			Defined as the
		
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			the,
		
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			the the the the head of the penis
		
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			going in completely with within the the the
		
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			*
		
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			to
		
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			the point where it's obscured from vision,
		
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			like,
		
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			the thread going through the eye of the
		
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			needle.
		
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			And,
		
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			this is both with regards to the law
		
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			for
		
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			for,
		
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			heterosexual illicit sexual *, sexual *,
		
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			between a man and a woman that's illicit,
		
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			or between,
		
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			between 2 men in the act of *
		
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			only.
		
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			So, the the the idea of *
		
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			being punished with death
		
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			that, if, for example, you know, by this
		
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			definition,
		
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			lesbians are already out.
		
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			It's completely impossible for them to receive this
		
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			hada because of their lack of a
		
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			member which is capable of penetration.
		
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			And
		
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			even then,
		
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			*, what does that mean to people?
		
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			The,
		
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			the,
		
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			sexual,
		
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			I guess contact between 2 men.
		
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			The only type which is,
		
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			punishable through the Hadh punishment,
		
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			which is which is,
		
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			which is defined by,
		
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			the the head of the penis being obscured
		
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			within the * of another man,
		
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			otherwise known as *. That's the only thing
		
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			that's that's up for discussion here.
		
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			All the other things that are in the
		
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			ambit of, like, homosexual relations, if a man
		
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			kisses another man,
		
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			or, because it's really interesting. Because extremism is
		
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			like a pendulum. If you push it too
		
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			far to one side, it swings really hard
		
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			to the other side.
		
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			American
		
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			society
		
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			is and I think, you know, Western Europe,
		
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			especially Britain, is so
		
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			so hypersensitive
		
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			to
		
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			any sort of affection between 2 men
		
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			that,
		
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			shows of affection and friendship and brotherhood that
		
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			are very common in the Muslim world, like
		
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			2 men holding hands or a man kissing
		
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			another man on the on the cheek or
		
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			on the forehead,
		
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			God forbid, or,
		
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			men embracing or or or, you know,
		
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			showing any sort of softness or affection for
		
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			one another,
		
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			all of the sudden, it becomes an accusation
		
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			of homosexuality
		
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			to the point where the, you know, that
		
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			that civilization
		
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			looks at our history
		
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			and finds,
		
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			homosexuality where there's in fact no homosexuality to
		
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			be found. Well,
		
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			you know, they they they portray, for example,
		
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			the relationship between Mahmud and Ayaz,
		
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			his slave, the Sultan Mahmud Ghaznavi as being
		
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			homosexual.
		
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			They portrayed the,
		
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			relationship between
		
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			Maulana, Rumi,
		
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			who for God's sake was like the Hanafi
		
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			Mufti of, like, Konya,
		
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			and his Sheikh Shamsi Tabriz,
		
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			as being homosexual.
		
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			Why? Because they showed a great deal of
		
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			affection for one another and this society for
		
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			some reason,
		
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			give all of us, guidance.
		
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			They cannot understand why how or why a
		
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			man would be affectionate with another man without,
		
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			wanting to somehow,
		
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			have sexual * with them, or * them,
		
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			which is I com I completely, like, I
		
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			completely, you know, I was born and raised
		
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			in this culture, and I had the same
		
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			sensitivities.
		
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			But after having traveled the world and thought
		
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			about the issue, it completely boggles my mind.
		
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			So, yeah. No. It's not like Muslims are
		
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			gonna,
		
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			are gonna, like, you know, see 2 men
		
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			holding hands or or kissing one another or
		
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			whatever, and,
		
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			you know, you know, line up the rocks
		
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			and
		
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			stone them. That's not that's not how this
		
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			thing works.
		
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			So,
		
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			I mean, by the way, the hada punishment,
		
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			for homosexuality
		
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			is also itself a difference of opinion amongst
		
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			the scholars of the Sharia.
		
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			In the Hanafi mabhab, it is not a
		
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			it's not a had punishment. It's something that
		
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			the judge has discretion to,
		
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			this judge has discretion to
		
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			give the death penalty,
		
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			or or to
		
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			substitute another penalty or waive it altogether
		
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			when the the case warrants it. But the
		
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			Hanafi Meveb is probably not what's operational in
		
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			Brunei, because the Southeast Asian archipelago is predominantly
		
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			Shafiri.
		
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			You know, they don't run the Hanafi Mavheb
		
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			over there. If you wanna know the details
		
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			of the Shafirih school, you can contact Mufti
		
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			Musa Farber or,
		
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			any one of, the Masha'a constellation of wonderful
		
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			Shafi'i Ullama. We have, like, Sheikh Abdul Karim,
		
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			Yahya, etcetera.
		
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			But,
		
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			coming back to the issue,
		
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			so Brunei,
		
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			punishes * with death, goes to Brunei
		
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			to punish * with death. And,
		
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			now,
		
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			knowing the facts,
		
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			it should change to,
		
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			may possibly
		
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			punish,
		
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			*
		
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			with death.
		
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			So we continue.
		
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			The fact of the matter is is that
		
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			with all,
		
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			had the punishments,
		
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			and all corporal, punishments,
		
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			and and and with the capital punishment as
		
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			well, the Sharia prohibits individuals from taking the,
		
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			from taking the law into their own hands
		
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			and punishing a person,
		
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			for a crime,
		
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			whatever crime it is, especially the the Hudud,
		
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			the
		
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			sacred mandated,
		
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			punishments from,
		
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			from the book of Allah and the sunnah
		
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			of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam.
		
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			And so it has to be done through
		
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			a court.
		
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			And a conviction in court
		
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			is based on evidentiary standards, not based on
		
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			hearsay.
		
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			So what is the evidentiary standard for,
		
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			for, all crimes
		
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			that that that have that that are had
		
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			punishments with regards
		
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			to sexual *.
		
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			They are that a person come and admit
		
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			in front of the judge,
		
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			that they did something. Now at this point,
		
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			if a person,
		
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			is sane,
		
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			they will be eligible for the punishment.
		
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			If they're insane, they will not be eligible
		
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			for the punishment.
		
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			If they are sane and they know that
		
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			this this,
		
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			Iqrar or this confession is going to result
		
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			in death, then,
		
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			at that point,
		
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			the person, if they had a death wish,
		
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			they wanted to kill themselves anyway.
		
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			There's not really anything you're gonna do in
		
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			order to stop them. And the fact of
		
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			the matter is very few people will opt
		
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			for iqra except for those who do so
		
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			out of their own religious conviction,
		
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			out of fear that,
		
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			that they will be punished in the hereafter
		
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			and the desire for expiation in this world
		
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			to suffer punishment in order to cleanse their
		
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			sins.
		
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			That being said, the Sharia actually recommends if
		
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			somebody is guilty of one of these crimes
		
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			that they not admit to the judge, that
		
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			they repent and they keep it to themselves
		
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			and they hide it. They don't tell it
		
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			to anybody. And there's a hadith of the
		
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			prophet
		
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			that if the slave is so ashamed of
		
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			his sin that he hid it from everybody,
		
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			Allah will not expose them, on the day
		
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			of judgment. In fact, one of the names
		
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			of Allah Ta'ala is a satar, the one
		
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			who habitually
		
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			and emphatically
		
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			screens and veils the faults of the creation
		
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			from the the rest of the creation.
		
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			So,
		
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			at that point, you know,
		
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			you have this, like, fear of a
		
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			a,
		
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			what you call a,
		
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			this massive, like, going door to door and,
		
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			like, you know, picking up any, you know,
		
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			dude who wears, like, tight pink t shirts
		
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			or whatever and just stoning him to death.
		
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			Now this changes to what? This changes to
		
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			somebody who who through their own will and
		
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			through their own volition goes and admits,
		
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			admits,
		
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			their crime in front of a judge.
		
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			Interestingly enough,
		
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			with regards to Zena, with regards to,
		
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			Zena itself,
		
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			the
		
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			admission can be recanted anytime after it's been
		
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			made.
		
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			And so,
		
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			this is something that,
		
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			Moana Amin,
		
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			I mean,
		
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			once,
		
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			I was riding with him in the car,
		
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			and we,
		
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			we were
		
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			remembering some of the the the
		
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			some of our very spiritual and,
		
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			learned,
		
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			who passed before.
		
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			So, I had mentioned Mufti Mahmud, who was
		
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			the chief minister of the Sarhad, the Northwest
		
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			Frontier Province, which is now, later on, known
		
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			as the Khaybar Pakhtunhua province. It's the Northwest
		
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			province of of of the modern nation state
		
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			of Pakistan.
		
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			He was a student of Mawlana Said Hussein
		
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			Ahmed Madani
		
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			a very,
		
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			radiant and enlightened and very spiritual man who,
		
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			had the respect of his, friends and his
		
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			adversaries,
		
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			alike. And he was the chief minister of,
		
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			of the of Sarhad province until
		
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			until the the government
		
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			forcibly gave a liquor license,
		
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			to
		
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			a hotel in in Peshawar.
		
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			And, because it came from the federal government,
		
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			he was not able to overrule it through
		
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			the writ of the law. And so he
		
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			he resigned saying that that you people will
		
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			be responsible for this in front of Allah.
		
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			I'm not going to * because of your,
		
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			because of your disobedience under my watch. So
		
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			someone,
		
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			he said that Mufti Mahmud had actually come
		
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			to
		
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			to the Benuri town Madrasah when Sheikh Amin
		
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			was there so many decades ago.
		
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			And, he said I met him and and
		
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			and was very impressed with him. And he
		
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			said that he had mentioned in one of
		
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			his talks that somebody had said why is
		
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			it that the Sharia has such barbaric punishments?
		
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			And so he said, what do you mean?
		
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			He says that why is it that you
		
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			have stoning to death? It seems like a
		
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			very cruel and medieval and barbaric punishment.
		
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			He said even if you wanna give someone
		
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			the capital punishment, why wouldn't you just put
		
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			a bullet in their head or hang them?
		
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			Why do you have to make such a
		
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			freak show about it? And, the answer what
		
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			was the answer he gave? He said that
		
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			if you knew if you knew about the
		
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			Sharia, you would know that that the,
		
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			the confession
		
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			in in the the the the matter of
		
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			Zina,
		
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			it can be recanted at any time.
		
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			It can even be recanted while the while
		
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			the stoning is happening that a person can
		
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			scream, no, I didn't do it. I didn't
		
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			do it. And,
		
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			it comes from the Sahaba and from our
		
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			Aslaf reports that that in such a case,
		
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			they were instructed to stop
		
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			the process,
		
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			and let them go. Or if the person
		
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			being stoned ran from the
		
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			the the the the place where, the stones
		
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			were coming down on them, that that that
		
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			they shouldn't be chased after. Whereas if you
		
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			put a bullet in somebody's head,
		
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			that will kill them right away. And I
		
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			think it's a really beautiful,
		
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			illustration
		
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			of how barbaric in fact, our modern sensibilities
		
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			are, how Nazi they are. That we give
		
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			a great deal of, thought to efficiency and
		
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			killing, which is a very, I guess, Nazi
		
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			concern and preoccupation,
		
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			where we lose sight of other things. So
		
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			that's one way that a person could get
		
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			convicted is if they
		
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			go to the judge and admit,
		
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			to, the practice of *, which is definitely,
		
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			unlawful in Islam.
		
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			The second way that they can, get the
		
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			conviction
		
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			is if 4 people witness the act of
		
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			penetration,
		
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			like thread goes through the eye of the
		
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			needle,
		
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			which,
		
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			by the way, according to,
		
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			according to,
		
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			the stronger opinion in the Sharia, that witnessing
		
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			has to be eye witnessing. So even a
		
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			video wouldn't,
		
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			wouldn't count. It wouldn't suffice. They would have
		
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			to physically be there and not just see,
		
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			2 people doing something that looks like *,
		
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			or, or fornication,
		
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			but actually witness the the the glands of
		
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			the penis enter into the,
		
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			enter into,
		
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			whatever orifice in question. They have to have
		
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			seen it with their own two eyes without
		
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			any shock or without any doubt.
		
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			And then they have to be upright witnesses
		
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			that that go and,
		
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			confess this to the court. Now,
		
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			witness,
		
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			the testimony of witnesses in Islam is something
		
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			that that that carries a great deal of
		
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			weight.
		
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			However, the evidentiary standard is that the witness
		
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			has to be an upright witness and almost,
		
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			you know, almost,
		
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			I would say a majority of
		
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			people don't,
		
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			don't fit the,
		
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			don't fit the the designation of a person
		
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			who's an upright witness. A person who doesn't
		
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			pray 5 times a day is not an
		
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			upright witness. A person who is, you know,
		
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			known to,
		
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			commit acts of disobedience
		
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			is not an upright witness. A person who
		
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			is hasn't been seen doing any sin publicly
		
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			and flagrantly,
		
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			but is just kind of a weird person.
		
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			They're not an upright witness. So, you know,
		
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			you know, this someone asked me this question,
		
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			well, what if the video is not gonna
		
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			get somebody,
		
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			somebody's,
		
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			stoned because of witness, then what about the,
		
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			you know, the person who's filming and the
		
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			the whatever, the producers and whatever because *
		
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			has become so proliferated?
		
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			My friend, I can guarantee you there's no
		
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			judge in any Sharia court in their right
		
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			mind which would accept the witness of a
		
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			pornographer.
		
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			And the point is what? Is that it's
		
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			it's
		
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			it's practically impossible.
		
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			In fact,
		
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			I have through all of my studies and
		
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			my travels in the east and the west,
		
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			my reading of of the books of the
		
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			ancients and the moderns,
		
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			I have never come across
		
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			any instance,
		
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			heterosexual or homosexual, in which this evidentiary standard
		
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			was met that 4 people,
		
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			who are upright witnesses,
		
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			will go to a judge
		
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			and present their their testimony that they saw
		
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			the penetration happen like the thread goes through
		
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			the eye of the needle,
		
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			and and the judge accepted it and, gave
		
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			the, the the punishment based on that. It's
		
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			absolutely it's absolutely,
		
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			make such a claim credibly, you have to
		
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			have, like, read every book that was written
		
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			on this matter and,
		
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			have a a a a certain type of
		
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			knowledge of
		
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			of things that people don't have knowledge of
		
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			that I don't claim to have. But at
		
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			the same time, you know, if a person
		
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			knows me,
		
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			they'll know that I'm not a person who
		
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			hasn't been around or read read anything at
		
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			all. And I have yet to come across
		
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			any example of,
		
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			of of any Sharia punishment with regards to
		
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			illicit sexual *,
		
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			heterosexual or homosexual,
		
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			where,
		
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			where where where the,
		
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			the condemning evidence is based on eyewitness. It's
		
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			just impossible.
		
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			And add to that,
		
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			that in the Sharia, if a person brings
		
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			a public accusation of
		
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			illicit sexual *,
		
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			homosexual or, heterosexual,
		
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			* or or or or, or fornication,
		
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			that person, if they bring the the accusation,
		
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			then in the Sharia,
		
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			as a procedural matter, if the they don't
		
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			meet the evidentiary standard, which is
		
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			almost impossible to meet. If they don't bring
		
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			the evidentiary standard, if they, for example, only
		
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			bring 3 witnesses or 2 witnesses or 1
		
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			witness or 4 witnesses,
		
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			not all of whom are,
		
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			are upright witnesses, deemed to be upright witnesses
		
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			by the court. If someone brings, a witness
		
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			that is not sufficient in order to garner
		
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			a conviction, then the Sharia has it corporate
		
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			corporal punishment of lashing
		
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			for those people who who brought this case
		
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			which was not provable,
		
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			thereby quashing any sort of dissent. And this
		
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			is known as the law of
		
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			means to throw something at somebody. The hurling
		
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			of accusations itself is a uh-uh,
		
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			is it it had the punishment in our
		
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			Sharia.
		
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			And, to be honest with you, if you
		
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			look at all of this,
		
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			you know, Brett Kavanaugh and Joe Biden and
		
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			Al Franken and god knows what all of
		
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			these people,
		
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			who are Bill Cosby and all of these
		
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			people who are being hit with accusations.
		
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			Some of which are true, but they're murky
		
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			from some non discreet time in the past.
		
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			Some of which are not true, and you
		
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			really don't have a way of adjudicating whether
		
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			they are or not. You can say we
		
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			we believe,
		
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			victims, but you don't know if someone's a
		
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			victim. It is theoretically possible that somebody manufactures
		
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			an allegation,
		
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			which is not true and it does happen.
		
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			And I'm not saying that in order to,
		
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			like, say that everyone who says, you know,
		
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			who makes the allegation is a liar. God
		
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			knows. It's it's one of those things you
		
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			just don't know.
		
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			And if you wanna truly be fair,
		
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			you have to admit that there you know,
		
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			it's very problematic that that,
		
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			that that such, allegations,
		
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			there's no way of of of adjudicating whether
		
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			they're true or not.
		
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			Because of the because of the powerful nature
		
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			of
		
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			the, the the punishments involved, the Sharia makes
		
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			it a crime,
		
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			punishable by lashing,
		
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			to bring an allegation.
		
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			And the allegation may actually factually end up
		
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			being true, but legally it's false if you
		
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			cannot meet that evidentiary standard. Meaning what? The
		
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			the
		
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			the law giver,
		
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			uh-uh Allah wished for these accusations
		
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			not to be made, until and unless they
		
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			met a standard of blatant shamelessness,
		
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			that is is is is abnormal.
		
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			And then thereafter, what people,
		
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			their personal, failings are, and their their personal,
		
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			habits and addictions and whatnot,
		
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			they are to be left in order to
		
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			struggle, with themselves in order to rectify them,
		
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			or,
		
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			if they don't, then the the the accounting
		
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			for that is between them and between Allah
		
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			So that's the legal angle,
		
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			of this. I get the fact that there
		
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			are gonna be a lot of people who
		
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			are gonna say, well,
		
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			you know, we don't consider homosexuality to be
		
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			to be a sin.
		
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			And, you know, what we say to such
		
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			people is,
		
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			that's fine. Christians, they believe that Jesus Christ
		
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			is the Son of God. We don't believe
		
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			it. That's a matter of disagreement.
		
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			You know, Jews believe,
		
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			that they are God's special chosen people,
		
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			at least some of them do. And, you
		
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			know, we we believe that they're great people,
		
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			but they're not, you know, we don't we
		
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			don't that that thing we don't agree with
		
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			them about.
		
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			You know, some Hindus believe eating meat is
		
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			a a a a, an immoral act
		
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			and, especially the eating of beef and we
		
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			don't agree with them. But, by and large,
		
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			you know, we don't lose sleep at night
		
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			because people,
		
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			differ in their in their beliefs. And every
		
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			place has different laws, every place has different
		
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			customs,
		
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			and,
		
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			you know,
		
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			the type of scrutiny that Islam receives
		
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			for what is essentially just
		
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			a basic
		
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			issue of different human beings having their different
		
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			beliefs,
		
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			I feel is unjustified.
		
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			But what you know, there are more issues
		
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			than just the law here. Right? So if
		
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			you don't if you don't you're not a
		
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			Muslim and you don't believe what we believe,
		
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			that's fine, you know.
		
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			Please go ahead and and and do so,
		
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			and continue to do so if you wish.
		
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			And your reckoning and your account will be
		
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			between you and the Lord if you meet
		
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			him, which is probably not gonna bother you
		
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			too much at this time if you don't
		
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			believe he even exists.
		
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			So, that that's that's fine.
		
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			However,
		
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			for those who do believe in the book
		
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			of Allah and the sunnah of the Rasool
		
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			Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam, and those who don't, you
		
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			know, the allegation that somehow Islam is gonna
		
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			barbarically go around killing people,
		
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			just quote unquote because they're gay. I think
		
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			that's that's,
		
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			it's a pretty pretty
		
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			over the top and sensationalist
		
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			way of describing something that they don't really
		
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			understand.
		
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			But there's again, more than just a legal
		
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			issue.
		
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			What what what what is more than just
		
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			a legal issue? The idea that somehow the
		
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			BBC is more incensed
		
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			that,
		
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			that
		
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			gay people will be,
		
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			homosexuals will be,
		
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			you know,
		
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			put to death,
		
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			theoretically,
		
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			based on an impossible to prove evidentiary standard.
		
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			The fact that they just they seem to
		
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			feel more
		
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			outraged,
		
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			with regards to that than, you know,
		
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			our brothers and sisters getting droned in Somalia,
		
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			and getting droned in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
		
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			And, that, you know, Ellen DeGeneres and George
		
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			Clooney, never called for a boycott,
		
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			of,
		
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			of, you know, of of putting gas in
		
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			your car,
		
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			because of the the absolute bloodbath that happened
		
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			in,
		
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			that happened in,
		
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			what you call in in in Iraq.
		
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			That none of them ever,
		
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			called for
		
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			any sort of boycott or even, the slightest
		
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			political pressure even in the form of a
		
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			censure. Just empty words,
		
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			when,
		
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			you know, white phosphorus has rained down on
		
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			Palestine on the houses of Gaza. Children are
		
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			are being shot by snipers for fun. Children
		
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			are being arrested and beaten. Children are being
		
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			used as human shields. This, shows that this
		
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			is somewhat of a
		
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			a disingenuous
		
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			claim to say that this is a human
		
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			rights concern. It's not a human rights concern.
		
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			It is a very political and a very
		
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			religious,
		
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			zealotry on their part. And one would say,
		
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			well, how can you say religious zealotry? They
		
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			didn't invoke religion. Liberalism itself,
		
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			and its belief that it is a superior,
		
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			and it is the supreme universal,
		
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			and most moral code
		
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			and and way of looking at the world,
		
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			that itself is a religion. And the fact
		
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			that it doesn't call itself a religion doesn't
		
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			mean that it's not a religion.
		
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			Rather, it is a an it is a
		
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			a set of beliefs that they have that
		
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			somehow they have a monopoly over over,
		
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			what we consider
		
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			truth. And because of that, you know, the
		
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			you know, we should inflict punishment on people
		
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			who, believe differently than than us.
		
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			That is a type of zealotry that I
		
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			don't feel,
		
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			this recording conveys
		
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			even, by me who is a bearded,
		
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			whatever, heterosexual
		
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			brown Sunni male,
		
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			who teaches, like, sunnifirk,
		
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			you know, for for a living or whatever.
		
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			I I we we we don't go around
		
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			and
		
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			put down other people's beliefs and other people's
		
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			way of life.
		
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			At the most, when we disagree, we disagree
		
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			and we say why we disagree while
		
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			affirming,
		
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			everyone's humanity and their right to be respected
		
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			even if we have rigorous, disagreements with them
		
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			in their belief.
		
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			And given that legally this is not going
		
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			to result in anything happening,
		
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			until and unless there's some sort of extraordinary
		
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			circumstance
		
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			which
		
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			transcends the issue of homosexuality
		
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			or lack thereof.
		
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			I think, it's just a storm in a
		
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			teapot
		
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			and it
		
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			it betrays, like I said from before,
		
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			a type of sensationalism
		
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			and a wish to
		
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			see the old systems
		
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			of belief and of
		
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			religion crumble. And if the belief in God
		
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			is odious to a class of people, then
		
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			Islam is going to be the most odious
		
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			because we are the ones who
		
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			hold our belief and our faith and our
		
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			remembrance of God,
		
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			most fervently from amongst all of those people
		
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			who claim to believe in Allah
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, there is a moral obligation that
		
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			religion that liberalism
		
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			has, which is an irrational one, but it's
		
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			they hold it nevertheless,
		
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			just like, you know, some people, believe that
		
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			the, you know, they they believe irrational things.
		
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			There is a
		
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			irrational
		
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			belief that liberalism has
		
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			that all all traditions, structures, modes of rule,
		
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			or law that tell you how you should
		
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			behave or what you should do,
		
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			all of them are completely,
		
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			completely empty of any sort of,
		
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			of any sort of authority.
		
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			Rather, the only rules we live by are
		
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			the ones that make us happy and that
		
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			we can come together and agree to for
		
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			consensus. And this very utilitarian
		
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			view of morality,
		
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			in and of itself is irrational. Why?
		
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			Because,
		
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			because if you don't believe that there's any
		
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			absolute truth, then this idea of what makes
		
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			you happy being good is also, being paraded
		
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			as absolute truth. So it should be wrong
		
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			as well.
		
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			But unfortunately,
		
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			most people don't think for
		
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			themselves, nor do they think about things or
		
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			ponder, things before they can get to that
		
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			point.
		
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			And you know what? If that's what you
		
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			wanna do, that's what you wanna believe, that's
		
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			how you wanna raise your kids, knock yourself
		
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			out.
		
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			But,
		
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			but you don't have the right to demonize
		
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			me. You don't have the right to demonize
		
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			my community, my people. You don't have the
		
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			right to,
		
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			use
		
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			1,000,000,000 of dollars of
		
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			of corporate media platform in order to convince
		
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			people that, people like myself
		
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			who, you know, pray 5 times a day
		
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			and wash ourselves after you use the bathroom
		
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			and fast in the month of Ramadan,
		
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			and,
		
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			you know, don't eat pork, and, you know,
		
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			consider lying to be a sin, and consider
		
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			charity to be a virtue. You don't have
		
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			the right to go and tell people that
		
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			we're some sort of barbaric maniacs that are
		
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			gonna go door to door, and, you know,
		
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			whatever. Stone people to death because they,
		
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			I don't know, because they,
		
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			because they they show, some sort of traits
		
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			or propensity toward,
		
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			femininity or whatever else, it may be, or
		
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			that a woman shows some sort of propensity
		
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			for masculinity as tomboy or something like that.
		
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			You don't have that right, and it's not
		
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			true. And, we also should understand,
		
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			that oftentimes these accusations
		
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			before,
		
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			getting really freaked out about them and,
		
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			you know, trying to distance ourselves from from
		
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			Islam or trying to explain,
		
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			you know, in a very apologetic tone,
		
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			what Islam is and then compromise it. We
		
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			also, as Muslims, we should understand that there
		
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			are people with,
		
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			with a religious fervor and a religious zealotry
		
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			in their agenda in order to, make Islam,
		
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			into something scary,
		
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			that it isn't.
		
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			And they have an agenda doing so, and
		
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			they do so in bad faith.
		
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			And,
		
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			we should be confident as well that we
		
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			don't need to, we don't need to
		
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			treat, those types of those types of,
		
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			accusations as being serious or some sort of
		
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			serious, you
		
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			know, question of the morality of Islam or
		
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			lack thereof.
		
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			Rather, they are what they are. They're just
		
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			the, the dogs barking.
		
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			And, for us in the caravan, we have
		
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			to know that every time the dog barks,
		
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			you can't stop the caravan. It has to
		
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			move on. Allah
		
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			give all of us so much Tawfeeq. If
		
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			you felt any benefit in this
		
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			recording, please share it with your, with, you
		
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			know, those who you think will benefit from
		
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			from it. And,
		
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			if you wish to, please, do see the
		
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			work that we do at rebat.org,
		
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			r I b a t dot org,
		
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			online, or or attend any of our classes
		
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			in person that are listed online. All of
		
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			our classes are free, and all of the
		
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			work we do is free of charge. And,
		
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			anyone who, sees benefit in it or value
		
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			in it is welcome to come to the
		
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			website and support.
		
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			But the best support is by what? Is
		
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			by,
		
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			listening and, taking the classes, and if anything,
		
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			that you hear or learn therein is of
		
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			benefit,
		
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			implementing it in your life,
		
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			that is the best of support. Allah
		
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			give it to all of us.