Hamzah Wald Maqbul – 23 Ramadan 1441 Late Night Majlis Ghazali And Kalam Addison 05162020

Hamzah Wald Maqbul
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The transcript discusses the controversy surrounding the use of "il Muqalam" in Islam, including the controversy surrounding " Ilmocollam" and "medic&f" in the writing of the Quran." The speakers also touch on the use of "taqle "don," the "naughty man" movement, and the "naughty man" movement. They suggest that individuals should be convinced of the deen of the thirteenth century Christian system and that those who have strong foundational understanding of the deen should be convinced of the deity of the thirteenth century Christian system.

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			So we continue our reading from Mawlana Seid
		
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			Abu Hasan Ali Nadui,
		
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			his saviors of the Islamic spirit,
		
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			about the life and times of Imam
		
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			Ghazali
		
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			in this Mubarak 23rd,
		
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			night of Ramadan. May Allah
		
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			give its barakah to us and write us
		
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			from amongst the those who were forgiven
		
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			and, manumitted from the hellfire in this Mubarak
		
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			night. And, may he,
		
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			give us
		
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			and may he give us Ramadan after Ramadan,
		
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			last asha after last asha,
		
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			after after
		
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			as a means of our salvation and our
		
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			forgiveness and increase in rank in this world
		
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			and the hereafter.
		
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			Amin.
		
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			And so
		
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			we got to the point where
		
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			Mohan Alimiya is talking about,
		
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			Al Ghazali and the dialecticians
		
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			and the dialecticians.
		
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			Dialectics here when he when the translator uses
		
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			the word dialectics, he's talking about ilmuqalam
		
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			which is, I think a fairly,
		
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			good translation in the sense that it literally
		
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			seems to mean about the same thing as
		
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			what Kalam means,
		
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			and it does convey convey the the sense
		
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			of, like,
		
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			scholastic theology
		
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			or,
		
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			some sort of, like, semantic wrangling.
		
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			And,
		
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			the the meaning here is this is what?
		
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			Is that
		
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			Greek philosophy,
		
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			Aristotelian
		
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			logic,
		
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			and a number of foreign
		
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			ideas,
		
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			not only crept into the,
		
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			crept into the intellectual discourse of Islam Islam
		
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			but, you know, people accepted Islam from a
		
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			number of different nations
		
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			which is to be expected and it's actually
		
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			a good thing and so they brought a
		
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			number of attitudes, a number of modes of
		
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			learning, a number of ways of thinking about
		
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			things, a number of ways of dealing with
		
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			problems,
		
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			practical and intellectual with them
		
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			and
		
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			there was a need to, I guess,
		
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			sort out, refine,
		
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			validate
		
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			and,
		
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			expel,
		
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			you know, whatever that basket of stuff was.
		
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			Because Islam is not necessarily,
		
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			you know, there to
		
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			completely destroy everything else.
		
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			Rather,
		
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			it is a Muhammed, you know, the Quran
		
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			is a Muhammed. It is an overseer
		
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			that will,
		
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			you know,
		
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			will be
		
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			there to take everything that's good and subsume
		
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			it and,
		
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			expel and reject everything that's false and protect
		
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			the Muslims from its harm.
		
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			So,
		
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			you know, the, you know, the the Il
		
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			Muqalam was developed essentially as
		
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			a
		
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			defense mechanism by the,
		
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			Ahlul Haqq against the Muartazila
		
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			rationalist philosophers,
		
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			and a number of other a number of
		
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			other, heretical groups
		
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			that will start to comment about a number
		
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			of things,
		
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			that were not really controversial in the history
		
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			of Islam in the in its earlier part,
		
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			particularly in the era of the companions
		
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			and their,
		
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			and in the eras of their successors.
		
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			And so,
		
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			you know, like,
		
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			the development of Nahu,
		
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			of of of kind of analytical grammar,
		
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			like the development of a number of different
		
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			branches of learning.
		
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			Nahla Sunnah basically will learn,
		
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			and master these branches of learning that are
		
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			not strictly speaking,
		
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			from the revealed sciences,
		
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			and they will use
		
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			them in order to refute,
		
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			the heretical claims made
		
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			by the people of heresy,
		
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			through them because the people of heresy also
		
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			used them. They used analytical grammar,
		
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			which was not something that the Arabs needed
		
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			to rely upon because they, you know, will
		
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			last like, you know, the told
		
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			me
		
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			attributed to
		
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			not a a grammarian.
		
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			Because Imam
		
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			Malik is Asbahi. He's a an Arab of
		
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			Himyarite,
		
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			origin.
		
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			He's he says he says that I'm not
		
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			a grammarian whose tongue trips, you know, like,
		
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			in an an an an
		
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			an an he said I'm not a a
		
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			a grammarian whose tongue trips.
		
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			Rather I'm a man of style and what
		
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			I say is Arabic.
		
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			And so like what happens is later on,
		
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			this analytical grammar is used in order to
		
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			try to justify different,
		
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			meanings from the text of the Quran
		
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			and, Ulamad Sunnah learned the analytical grammar and
		
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			master it and,
		
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			they then refute
		
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			the people of heresy on their own terms
		
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			and the Aristotelian logic is much like that.
		
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			And philosophy is much like that as well
		
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			that the ulama of the sunnah will learn,
		
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			these arts and they will then argue against
		
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			the people of heresy
		
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			using the ground rules of these arts who
		
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			are which are sound,
		
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			fundamentally sound. Not necessarily part of Revelation but
		
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			they're rationally sound.
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, they will then use it to
		
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			defend the hack.
		
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			And except for
		
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			there's a bit of a controversy amongst the
		
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			olema
		
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			in that process which is, some of the
		
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			the issues regarding,
		
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			issues regarding,
		
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			creed and regarding aqidah,
		
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			are issues of
		
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			where the people of the of heresy and
		
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			of Zayiv will,
		
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			give a particular
		
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			interpretation to something that's not really supposed to
		
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			be interpreted,
		
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			but it's supposed to be taken for formulaically.
		
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			And so there's a jama'ah of the Muhammadun,
		
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			who,
		
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			you know, who who are against that, who
		
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			say that you shouldn't talk about these things
		
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			and you shouldn't argue about these things and
		
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			just active giving interpretations to these things is,
		
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			problematic
		
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			and, whoever does so, let them deal with,
		
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			let them the consequences with Allah on their
		
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			own terms.
		
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			Whereas then the Asha'aira and the Maturidiya,
		
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			and the Maturidiya,
		
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			I think there's a very strong argument to
		
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			be made that the founder of the Maturidi
		
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			School of Kalam is not, Abdul Mansur al
		
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			Maturidi. He is the the one who orders
		
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			it and compiles it.
		
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			But, the founder of the school is is
		
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			is very you know, it seems to me
		
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			very clearly it's Imam al Hanifa himself,
		
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			But,
		
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			at any rate, there are those who will
		
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			vehemently
		
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			disagree with that. No no no problem. No
		
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			bother.
		
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			But the idea is this, is that
		
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			basically the
		
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			the schools of, the Mutakallimun or the sunnah,
		
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			they said this, is that look, yes, we
		
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			agree with you in principle. People should not
		
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			comment about the mote shabbihat and, you know,
		
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			talk about
		
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			more further and speculative
		
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			branches of creed. However, the problem is this
		
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			is that, after given that we're not supposed
		
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			to, you know, delve into them, there are
		
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			a group of people who have not only
		
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			delved into them, but they have ruined
		
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			the way that the public thinks about them
		
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			and that ruined,
		
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			way of thinking about it is like our
		
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			friend Tony, the dead dog, whose carcass is
		
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			bloating in the in the well. And, you
		
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			know, we would have preferred not to have
		
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			to do this but now that the carcass
		
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			is in the well, we have to retrieve
		
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			it out first before we can
		
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			clean the the the well, afterward.
		
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			And so they will argue, and basically use
		
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			this Ilmocollam, use the same machinery,
		
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			philosophy and Aristotelian logic and, whatnot
		
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			in order to not necessarily
		
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			speculate about what our belief is
		
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			but, more particularly
		
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			demonstrate how,
		
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			the heterodox beliefs of the Martesila,
		
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			and those people who are behind them,
		
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			in rank. Martezyla did a really good job
		
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			at heterodoxy.
		
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			Others not so good.
		
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			I say they did a good job in
		
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			the sense that their arguments were much more
		
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			refined than many of the other like botanies
		
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			and things like that. But, at any rate,
		
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			that the,
		
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			you know, they use this machinery in order
		
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			to show that the
		
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			the arguments made by them are
		
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			are not even the best arguments that could
		
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			be made, much less the correct ones.
		
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			And so, you know, there's been some controversy
		
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			in the ummah amongst the different groups of
		
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			the Ahlus Sunnah as to whether or not
		
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			this is, this was a good idea or
		
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			not. And there are some very hard line
		
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			people who say, well, you know, the people
		
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			who take up the Ilm ul Kalam are
		
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			not from Ahlson at all, and vice versa.
		
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			And I think that's a bit of an
		
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			exaggeration in excess. You cannot, I
		
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			I don't think that's that's a that's a
		
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			fair,
		
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			thing to say. But since this is not
		
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			Apti Hadar, we're not gonna talk about that
		
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			in too much detail,
		
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			but, just to give, the listener enough to
		
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			be able to, I guess, digest what's about
		
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			to be talked about right now.
		
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			So Mullana Alimiya says he says a man
		
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			of Ghazali's outstanding intellectual gifts could continue to
		
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			tread the beaten path of earlier,
		
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			Mutakkal Limun.
		
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			He could not continue to tread the beaten
		
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			path of early Mutakkal Limun nor could he
		
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			be content with the position of a mere
		
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			commentator.
		
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			Meaning that he wasn't he wasn't happy with
		
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			the status quo.
		
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			Unfortunately, the science of kalam which had or
		
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			dialectics which had been evolved for the defense
		
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			of religion,
		
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			which had, to keep itself abreast with current
		
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			developments and other branches of learning had lost
		
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			its vigor by the end of 4th century
		
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			after Hijra.
		
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			The Asha'aris,
		
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			of the time had taken,
		
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			to the path of rigid dogmatism,
		
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			insisting on the acceptance,
		
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			not only simply of their tenets and beliefs
		
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			but also on the canons divided, devised by
		
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			Abu Hassan al Ashaari and Abu Bakr al
		
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			Baqilani,
		
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			without the slightest modification or improvement.
		
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			They considered it heretical to employ a logical
		
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			syllogism not
		
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			used by the earlier teachers of their school
		
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			for the defense of religion.
		
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			And this isn't by the way, this is
		
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			not a, you know,
		
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			Moana Alimiya is not,
		
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			you know, slamming the Ash'aira.
		
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			Rather, he's talking about later,
		
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			hyper dogmatic Ash'aira who start to
		
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			make the,
		
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			the
		
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			peculiar culture of the Ash'ari school into,
		
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			basically,
		
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			the
		
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			defining factor of who's on guidance and who's
		
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			not, which is in its patently,
		
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			against even the methodology of the imam of
		
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			the school, given that,
		
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			Ahlus Sunnah defines itself as being the dean
		
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			of the Sahaba radiAllahu anhu and,
		
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			you know, arguing with,
		
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			in a particular way definitely wasn't part of
		
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			that din,
		
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			at least in its refined form.
		
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			They considered it heretical to employ logical syllogism
		
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			not used by their earlier
		
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			teachers, for the defense of religion. Ghazali
		
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			pressed his knowledge of philosophy for upholding the
		
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			religious beliefs and dogmas and indeed devised an
		
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			entirely new canon for rational
		
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			exposition of these matters,
		
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			which was more effective than the arguments of
		
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			previous
		
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			in regards to matters like divine attributes, prophethood,
		
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			miracles, religious practices, punishments and rewards in the
		
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			hereafter,
		
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			and the day of judgment, he brought forth
		
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			entirely new arguments more convincing to a rational
		
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			mind than those employed by his predecessors.
		
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			He did, in fact, lay the foundations of
		
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			a scientific scholastic system thus infusing a new
		
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			blood into the old Ash'ari school.
		
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			The modified doctrines of the Ash'ari school,
		
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			eventually became, thanks to Ghazali, the most popular
		
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			system of scholasticism in the entire Islamic world.
		
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			But since Ghazali held divergent views from Ash'ari
		
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			and other eminent scholars of that school on
		
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			several issues, many ardent followers
		
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			of the Ash'arid school, looked down upon Ghazali's
		
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			thought with misgivings and disfavor. Some of the
		
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			Ash'ari zealots even accused Ghazali of breaking away
		
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			from the orthodox faith and adopting heretical tenets.
		
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			Again, this is not, you know, this is
		
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			not like
		
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			those who we consider Ash'aira
		
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			today or
		
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			traditionally through history. But,
		
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			every every mother has its like fanatics
		
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			and haters.
		
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			And so he's talking about the fanatics
		
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			and haters of of of the day.
		
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			You know,
		
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			and that's that's that's true for every that's
		
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			true for every
		
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			madhab. The madhab are all,
		
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			attempts to understand and to make reason and
		
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			to make usul and principles,
		
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			that guide a person's practice of the deen
		
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			of Islam and sunnah,
		
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			whether they be in fiqh or in in
		
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			aqidah or in other things. And, there are
		
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			always every generation has some people get caught
		
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			up in the details and they kind of
		
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			miss the bigger picture.
		
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			After the compilation of the hiya, the, some
		
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			of the Ash'ari scholars became so critical of
		
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			Ghazali that one of his friends wrote a
		
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			letter to invite his attention toward the matter.
		
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			Ghazali
		
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			explained the position,
		
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			in some detail in a booklet,
		
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			with the title of
		
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			Islam. He writes in it, dear brother, a
		
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			group of people envious of me is busy
		
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			in censuring my writings. For in their opinion,
		
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			I have expounded views contrary to those held
		
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			by the teachers, of old or the founders
		
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			of, the scholastic school. They think that even
		
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			the slightest deviation from the orthodox,
		
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			Ashadi tenets,
		
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			is blasphemous.
		
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			I know that you are unhappy over it
		
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			but my dear friend, you ought to observe
		
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			patience in the miss in this matter. How
		
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			can I claim immunity from the jealousy of
		
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			these people when even the Rasool sallallahu alaihi
		
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			wa sallam was not spared by these elements?
		
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			That person is such a, is simply a
		
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			blind follower of illiberal formalism,
		
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			who holds that any disagreement with,
		
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			Ash'ari Muertazi, Hanbalayt, or for that matter, any
		
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			other sect is heretical. It is of no
		
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			use trying to waste your time in satisfying
		
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			them. In fact, their own pleas against, one
		
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			another are sufficient to confute them. There are
		
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			numerous differences in the various scholastic schools and
		
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			many of, these differ from the Ash'aris. Therefore,
		
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			if anyone claims that it is incumbent on
		
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			someone to follow the Ash'ari tenets to the
		
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			last detail or even that the slightest deviation
		
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			from his doctrines is unsanctified. He ought to
		
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			be asked how he deems,
		
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			the Asharis to be the, sole repository of
		
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			truth. If it is so, would he be
		
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			willing to declare Ba'Tilani an apostate? Because Ba'Tilani
		
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			also differed from Ash'ari on the question of
		
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			the eternal attributes of divinity, for he denied
		
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			the existence of any such attribute apart from
		
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			the being of God.
		
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			But the question is why should Bakhtalani at
		
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			all be condemned as an apostate for opposing
		
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			Ash'ari? Why should not the same charge be
		
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			leveled against Ash'ari for differing from and why
		
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			should truth be considered to be the monopoly
		
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			of any particular individual?
		
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			If their reply be that Ash'ari preceded Batilani,
		
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			then did not the Muertazilites,
		
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			precede Ash'ari?
		
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			Therefore,
		
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			they not be deemed to be on the
		
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			right path? If it is claimed that righteousness
		
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			depends on profound knowledge and piety, then what
		
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			would the criteria to judge
		
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			comparative merits of the expounders of different schools
		
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			be? If Batilani was allowed to differ from
		
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			Ash'ari, then why should those after him be
		
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			debarred from this right and why should any
		
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			particular person be accorded a special treatment in
		
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			this matter?
		
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			So you see, Masha'Allah, Ghazalih Rahimullah Ta'ala, he
		
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			he he goes in he goes in, first
		
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			with a,
		
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			an observation about human nature
		
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			and, the intractability of fanatics.
		
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			But, you know, Masha'Allah,
		
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			just so that a person doesn't think that
		
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			he's playing the adab card, he he very
		
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			quickly scuttles the entire,
		
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			the entire argument of his haters,
		
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			on purely rational terms which make, you know,
		
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			which make very good sense. And one of
		
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			the things I want people to realize because
		
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			many people now afterward, you know, Ghazali becomes
		
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			the
		
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			becomes the
		
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			dogmatic orthodoxy that they will,
		
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			you know, blindly defend. And if you wanna
		
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			defend Ghazali and orthodoxy, that's wonderful. I think
		
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			that's great, you know. Read him and understand
		
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			him, that's how you're gonna defend him. Shouting
		
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			down his opponents is not how you're gonna
		
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			defend them because look, he himself here is
		
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			against this type of dogmatic
		
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			and close minded
		
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			taqleed or close minded,
		
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			like blind following of anybody after the prophet
		
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			and I think this is really important for
		
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			the listeners to understand which is what?
		
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			We do taqleed of our imams.
		
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			Why? Because we've come to the conclusion that
		
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			those Imams are the people who had the
		
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			most deep and profound knowledge of,
		
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			of these matters and so we choose them
		
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			to follow them based on knowledge,
		
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			not because we consider them to be
		
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			or
		
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			whatever.
		
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			And,
		
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			the taqleed of aalam,
		
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			the accepting of
		
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			a particular imam to be an imam in
		
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			a school, of an alim,
		
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			is based on understanding. It has to be
		
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			based on understanding. And so, Ghazali himself here
		
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			is
		
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			condemning,
		
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			blind imitation
		
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			and the blind imitators of his day.
		
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			This is, of course,
		
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			something which is, a letter he's writing to
		
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			one of his colleagues from the ulama class.
		
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			And so, like, you know, if you're just
		
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			sitting on Facebook and Twitter and being like,
		
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			I don't know how to follow Abu Hanifa
		
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			and Malik or whatever. Like, okay, that's kind
		
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			of like silly and dumb. That's like, we're
		
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			not talking about that right now. But within
		
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			the class of the ulama, within the classes
		
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			of scholars, those people spent their years. I
		
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			mean, they You know, nowadays, when we have
		
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			people walking around, boasting about having a Ijazah
		
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			and Tajweed or whatever or like people asking,
		
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			hey, Sheikh, can I have a Ijazah and
		
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			the tahawiyah? I wanna teach in such and
		
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			such place. No. We have people who we're
		
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			not talking about them. We're talking about those
		
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			people who have put in their, you know,
		
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			years and studied like, you know, 1, 2,
		
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			3 beginning, intermediate, advanced books
		
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			in Arabic grammar and then, you know, they
		
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			know their memorize their salaf charts and they,
		
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			learn their, you know, beginning Mu'tasarat
		
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			compendia of fiqh and then they read the
		
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			detailed works of fiqh and then they've read
		
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			the
		
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			the the debates, of the differences of opinion
		
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			of the fiqhaha and they've read a hadith
		
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			both ri'aatan and dira'aatan and, you know, like,
		
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			both in the its transmission and chains of
		
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			narration as well as in the meanings of
		
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			of the hadith. They've read the tafsir and
		
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			the usula tafsir, you know. They've read all
		
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			of these different branches of learning for several
		
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			years.
		
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			Now, those people when they get to a
		
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			certain level, for them, it's, you know, it's
		
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			it's really silly for them to then,
		
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			blindly imitate,
		
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			a particular personage after the prophet
		
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			and even those people who we consider to
		
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			be imams in in the deen. Mufti Saeed
		
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			Ahmad Balinpourid,
		
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			the the head Mudaras of give him a
		
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			long life and
		
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			Afiya,
		
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			really wonderful individual.
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, for anybody who wants to have
		
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			their nafs busted down a couple of notches,
		
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			I mean, he's become a little softer now
		
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			in his later years, but boy,
		
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			he, he he was a guy who would,
		
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			you know, you could sit with him and
		
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			really feel like not not not very learned.
		
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			But, Allah Ta'ala,
		
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			raise his rank and Allah Ta'ala protect him
		
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			from from every evil in this world and
		
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			the hereafter. He mentioned this in one of
		
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			his bands and I think he mentions it
		
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			in a number of different places. He says
		
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			that that the word taqleid itself, right, in
		
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			the Arabic language means like a necklace. Right?
		
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			So the word taqleid is is to give
		
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			the necklace to somebody else. So, imagine for
		
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			example,
		
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			if someone is the champion of your people,
		
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			then what you do? You give them the
		
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			medal. You put the medal in their neck,
		
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			right? That's what taqlid is. He says, he
		
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			says that some people imagine
		
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			is like putting a leash in your own
		
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			neck and being led around like,
		
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			an animal. He said just a fundamental understanding
		
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			of Sarf would tell you that
		
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			the the, you know, the word to express
		
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			that, the expression to to express that meaning
		
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			is not taqlid, it's taqalud. That you yourself
		
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			chain yourself up by the neck with a
		
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			rope and then give the leash to somebody.
		
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			It's not giving the leash, not it's not
		
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			leashing yourself and giving the the the the
		
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			leash to somebody. What is it? It's looking
		
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			through the different alama after your study and
		
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			understanding and and recognizing that someone is actually
		
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			worthy of being taken as an imam and
		
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			saying that this is this person is an
		
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			authority. Even then, Ghazal
		
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			Ghazal is saying that we have the right
		
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			to,
		
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			we have the right to, you know, discuss,
		
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			understand, see what works and what works better
		
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			and what works less, better
		
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			and,
		
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			you know, you know,
		
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			try to make sense of all of these
		
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			things.
		
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			And,
		
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			you know, that's something that I think a
		
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			lot of people who, hate on the Madhavs
		
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			will attribute to the Madhavs. But here's Ghazali
		
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			who's a great muhaqqek of the Shafi'i school
		
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			and he is even greater muhaqqek of the,
		
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			Ash'ali school in in Aqidah
		
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			and,
		
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			just
		
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			an imam in in Tasawwuf, imam in all
		
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			of all of these different fields.
		
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			And what is he saying? He's like, he
		
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			he he's saying that we're, look we're not
		
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			we're not blind followers. We're not blind imitators
		
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			of people after the prophet
		
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			and,
		
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			I think that's a little bit different than
		
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			the the standard script of like, you know,
		
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			of, like, you know,
		
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			back and forth,
		
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			misguided
		
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			and ignorant
		
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			debates about Madahib and about the ulama and
		
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			about the tradition that happened,
		
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			in, in, you know, not just, like, in
		
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			Philly, you know, but, like, in in all
		
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			across social media and really to be honest
		
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			with you, in the stuffy,
		
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			drawing rooms and,
		
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			chai,
		
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			conversations
		
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			of middle class suburbanite,
		
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			uncolacracy.
		
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			Not only in in in in America but
		
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			in the Muslim world as well where people
		
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			talk about, you know, people very,
		
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			by the way, usually,
		
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			people whose books they've never read or cracked
		
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			open. And they have this assumption that they
		
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			were just like blind regurgitators
		
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			of,
		
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			of tradition and that's why, you know, you
		
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			know, Muslims somehow
		
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			fell behind, you know, whatever colonial powers. The
		
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			reason the Muslims fell behind colonial powers is
		
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			that at some point or another,
		
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			colonial powers become remarkably efficient at killing large
		
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			numbers of people and,
		
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			economically strangling
		
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			others.
		
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			That's a problem, to this day. However,
		
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			you know, it's this whole idea of some
		
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			sort of intellectual decay or whatever. This is
		
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			this is a
		
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			a a huge over exaggeration.
		
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			Ghazali himself, who himself becomes the benchmark of
		
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			orthodoxy after his time.
		
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			He argues against it as you will find
		
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			the great, Mujaddidun,
		
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			the great renovators and renewers and masters and
		
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			imams of every field and every madhab.
		
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			Those who end up becoming, you know, who
		
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			have the the metal put in their neck
		
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			and are considered imams by the intellectual class
		
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			of the Muslims in every generation,
		
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			this is a sentiment that they, that they
		
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			will,
		
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			all share with one another. So, Mullan
		
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			Ali Mihai continues,
		
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			he comments on this tract, very powerful tract
		
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			that was just read from the festival of
		
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			Tafrika.
		
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			He says, personal experience and a comprehensive insight
		
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			into the speculative as well as religious sciences
		
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			led the Ghazali to the conclusion that, scholasticism
		
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			only has a limited utility which may be
		
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			sometimes even harmful in
		
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			particular cases. That Ilm Kalam,
		
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			it had a very particular utility and it
		
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			did a really good job at it and,
		
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			Ghazali himself is a great mutakalim and an
		
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			imam of Kalam,
		
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			but he says that there are some
		
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			sides it veers into that that may be
		
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			harmful. He ultimately came to regard dialectics as
		
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			a medicine which should not be administered to
		
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			healthy people who need only adequate nourishment through
		
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			their food,
		
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			and this, could be provided amply by the
		
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			Quran and he maintained that the Quran
		
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			contained a superior logic as its arguments are
		
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			quite satisfying to the people possessing common sense.
		
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			In his last book,
		
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			iljamulawam
		
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			anilmul kalam,
		
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			restraining the commonality of people from the science
		
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			of dialectics, Ghazali observes,
		
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			the Qur'anic arguments
		
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			are like food which provide people with
		
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			nourishment, which provide nourishment to everyone while the
		
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			logical system built up,
		
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			by the dialecticians, the anid mutakalimun,
		
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			is similar to a medicine which can be
		
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			administered profitably
		
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			to only a few and may even have
		
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			harmful effects, for others not requiring it. Or
		
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			else, the Qur'anic reasoning resembles water which can
		
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			be taken both by the weak child and,
		
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			a robust youth while dialectical
		
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			argumentation is like a rich food which provides
		
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			nourishment only to the latter but is indigestible,
		
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			and even harmful for small children.
		
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			Continuing
		
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			on the further,
		
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			possible evils of, dialectics, he
		
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			writes, the indiscriminate practice of dialectics by its
		
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			votaries provides
		
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			an irrefutable argument against that science since the
		
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			time it was popularized.
		
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			It has given itself rises to many evils
		
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			which were not found during the time of
		
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			the prophet's companions,
		
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			alayhi salatu al salam.
		
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			So, and this is, you know, this is
		
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			the person who understands,
		
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			Ilm ul Kalam and its utility,
		
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			and maintains,
		
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			this,
		
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			you know, this stance toward it.
		
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			That person, I think, no one in their
		
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			right mind has the,
		
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			has the right to
		
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			accuse such a person of being a heretic.
		
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			Rather,
		
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			the whole point, the reason of the existence
		
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			of Al Muqalam is to
		
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			to to argue against heresy on its own
		
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			terms.
		
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			And therefore, it is a very specialized field,
		
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			and it is not considered to be from
		
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			the bedrock sciences,
		
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			of of of of din or from the,
		
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			that knowledge which makes up the backbone of,
		
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			of the ilm of the prophet, the ilm
		
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			of Wahi, of revelation.
		
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			And that being said,
		
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			it also gives us an insight into something
		
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			else that we, should be,
		
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			you know, very,
		
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			cognizant of nowadays, which is that there are
		
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			many people who
		
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			have made a name for themselves either by
		
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			debating people of different religions or debating modernism
		
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			or liberalism or thisism, thatism, gayism,
		
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			you know, rainbowism,
		
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			whatever.
		
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			All sorts of, you know, modernism, all sorts
		
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			of different things. I myself talk about these
		
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			issues oftentimes.
		
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			But it's important even though there's a rush
		
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			of vera and a rush of,
		
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			of really adrenaline and, whatever other neurotransmitters
		
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			one,
		
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			feels when their guy beats up the other
		
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			guy.
		
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			But, know that that is not what knowledge
		
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			is. That is not what the ilm of
		
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			the prophet is
		
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			when, you know, when we say
		
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			the
		
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			they're the heirs of the prophets.
		
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			That is what? This is the Quran. This
		
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			is what Allah says. This is the hadith.
		
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			This is what the Rasool salallahu alayhi wa
		
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			sallam says. This is how you pray. This
		
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			is fiqh. This is how you pray. This
		
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			is how you pray. This is how you
		
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			fast. This is haram, this is halal,
		
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			this is,
		
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			so and so's right, this is not so
		
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			and so's right.
		
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			This is what we believe, this is what
		
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			we don't believe, which is
		
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			is not Aqidah. We've some people have, you
		
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			know, taken the to as synonymous and it's
		
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			Mutlaq or maybe even Minwaj, to be honest
		
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			with you. That Ilm Kalam is a defense
		
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			of the system built up by the Aqidah
		
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			of the Muslims,
		
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			against those who attack it. But,
		
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			that system of defense isn't actually what the
		
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			creed of the Muslims is. The creed of
		
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			the Muslims is found in the kitab and
		
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			sunnah of the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam,
		
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			and that is what we refer to as
		
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			the Athari creed within the study of
		
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			within the study of,
		
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			of Aqidah. I'm not necessarily attributing it to
		
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			the Hanabila or to the Muhandithun even though
		
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			we consider them to be from the but
		
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			the Athari creed in this context means that
		
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			that creed which is taken formulaically and directly
		
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			from the book of Allah and from the
		
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			sunnah of the prophet
		
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			without
		
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			ascribing modality to it or or giving it
		
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			too much great detail.
		
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			And so,
		
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			that needs to be done today as well.
		
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			There needs to be people who have this
		
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			like, strong foundational understanding of the deen
		
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			and people who understand the challenges that, are
		
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			opposed to Islam and to the Muslims.
		
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			And,
		
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			the kind of modern world and, the world
		
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			around us and the ideas that are in
		
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			vogue in it and where,
		
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			they are, reconcilable and where they're irreconcilable
		
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			and where they need to be separated.
		
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			That's one of the take homes that we
		
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			should, takeaways that we should take from this.
		
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			And the other takeaway is that those people
		
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			who are the champions in that, octagon,
		
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			in that, intellectual UFC,
		
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			that, unless they are actually people who have
		
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			mastered the understanding of the Quran and Sunnah,
		
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			which is very different than arguing that there's
		
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			only 2 genders rather than 17,
		
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			You know, some people can do that more
		
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			effectively on a college campus than others
		
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			but, at the end of the day, that
		
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			is
		
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			a a a very like
		
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			feat but it's not gonna provide guidance to
		
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			the ummah.
		
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			It's not gonna provide guidance to the ummah.
		
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			It is medicine for the sick, but it
		
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			is not nourishment for the healthy,
		
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			and we should keep all of those things
		
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			in mind. May Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala raise
		
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			amongst
		
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			our ummah, a people who are concerned with
		
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			this deen more than they are concerned with
		
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			the dunya. I'm reminded the hadith of the
		
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			prophet in which, the dua for one of
		
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			the duas used to ask when a gathering
		
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			would be dispersed.
		
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			A part of it was
		
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			You Allah, if you were to send us
		
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			a test and a trial and tribulation,
		
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			don't send it to us in our deen,
		
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			send it to us in our dunya. And,
		
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			you Allah, make our dunya,
		
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			don't make our dunya the greatest of our
		
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			concerns,
		
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			nor the extent of our understanding.
		
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			Not of the dunya nor of the deen
		
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			for that matter. That don't make the dunya
		
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			the extent of our understanding. Not even of
		
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			the dunya. The the dunya is not as
		
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			the extent of our understanding, even of the
		
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			dunya much of our of our deen.
		
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			And so we ask
		
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			that there are people who are concerned, not
		
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			only concerned with the deen, but that they
		
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			also are, amongst them. There are a group
		
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			of people who understand the dean well enough
		
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			and are competent enough, skilled enough, and conversant
		
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			enough in the in the,
		
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			in the sensibility of this age,
		
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			to be able to sift through it and,
		
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			keep that which is beneficial.
		
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			And there is a lot that's beneficial and
		
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			expel that which is harmful or of no
		
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			benefit, which there's a lot of fluff as
		
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			well.
		
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			Meaning 15 out of those 17 genders,
		
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			or or or, you know, something like that.
		
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			You know, this ever expanding
		
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			horizon of
		
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			of of of of, you know, of of
		
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			genders and of weird ideas and all of
		
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			this other stuff. I think you should be
		
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			able
		
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			to be able to, convince a person,
		
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			who is immersed and dyed in the color
		
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			of
		
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			of this kind of,
		
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			anti rational system of thinking that that characterizes,
		
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			modernity
		
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			or post modernity for that matter, that they
		
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			should be able to
		
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			argue with it on its own terms successfully
		
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			and bring people back to the,
		
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			bring people back to the common sense of
		
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			guidance. Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala give all of
		
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			us tufir. Allah accept from us in this
		
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			Mubarak night of ramadan.
		
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			Allah
		
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			give us the tawfeeq to, you know, think
		
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			through these problems
		
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			and get in where we fit in in
		
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			terms of the solution. Some of us may
		
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			be,
		
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			those who will actually do that. Some of
		
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			us will be those who learn,
		
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			the subsidiary sciences and teach them to others
		
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			so so that's we can facilitate someone else
		
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			doing that.
		
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			It may be a generational or multi generational
		
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			project to be very honest with you.
		
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			Because all quality things take time. And if
		
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			nothing else, may Allah,
		
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			make us from amongst those who make dua
		
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			and support,
		
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			you know, those people who are doing that
		
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			work in word and in deed and in
		
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			our hearts and with our pockets and,
		
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			you know, with our,
		
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			retweets and Facebook shares and relikes and, whatever
		
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			and,
		
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			and other forms of support.
		
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			Allah, subhanahu wa ta, accept from all of
		
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			us, a collaborative effort that the Ummah has
		
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			to do and we do it together and
		
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			may Allah accept it from us together and
		
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			may we all end up in Jannah one
		
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			day, through the barakah of this noble effort
		
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			and service of this noble deen
		
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			together.