Hamza Yusuf – Maliki Fiqh – Part 10
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The conversation covers various topics, including the use of "outdoorsy," the decline of civilization, the use of "monarch" in media, and the history of sexual abuse. The speakers acknowledge the cultural and political pressures on men and their bodies, and suggest that women should consider their bodies and parents' emotions.
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it's also discouraged to performing prayer between the pillars of a Masjid. So if you go into messages in the Muslim world, you have pillars in the, in the, in the older ones, the larger ones. And it breaks the line like in Medina, if you go to the province license mosque, you'll see people pray between the pillars as mcru. To do that, you should be in lines that are unbroken. And also another thing just for people.
When you go to the hot on,
people pray, they don't even walk up to the you know, they start lines way in the back. The line should be Mufasa diamond, that's all my crew the prayers valid, you can, you can follow him.
I mean, some of that rhythm, I say, you know, you can't like Juma is invalid in Did you pray in the hotel, you know, with the mom because you can hear the mom, you pray in the hotel, it's it's not valid, you have to be, but for a part of prayer, if you were going to lose a prayer, you could do that. Even across a river, you know, as long as long as you can do the aqeedah with the mom, also in Maliki madhhab, there's not a stipulation that you're behind the Imam. It's my crew to be praying in front of the Imam unless there was a reason for it. So in you know, in the humbling madhhab, the person invalid in front of the amount, which is why in Medina, there's a line that says your prayers
invalid beyond this line.
So
that's not true. It's not invalid if you're not somebody is invalid.
So those
praying in front of the mom without necessity, a second congregation praying after the salary or regular amount is over. Mr. Malik did not like people to pray
if you had a place where there was a lot of mom.
And then the rod tip is like the regular email, either paid or unsalaried or salary is not mcru friend to take a salary. And so there's opinions that it is but generally it's it's it's not anymore.
But if you have a salary the mom or a relative Imam, then once that that prayer is done the congregational prayers over in the masjid that was Malik's opinion. Now, the reason for his opinion is, and it's something that's happened. And, and and happened then obviously, but is that people? There were two main reasons one, that people who do not like the Imam or his arcada or think that, you know, he's a shoddy and we're not, or he's Salafi, and we're not that they would use that as an excuse to come after his prayer, and then they would form their own Gemma.
And so it's, it creates division in the house of Islam to do that. That's, that's the main reason. The other reason is that people get lazy.
about praying with the congregational prayer, the blessing is 27 times greater than, than the prayer that's not in congregation. And then there's, you know, blessing of the steps to the masjid all those things. So if you if you go, according to Mr. Malik, you should only pray if you don't if you come in with a group you should pray separately. That's his position. So you don't make up you don't do the prayer in Gemini. I mean, the other emails don't have a problem with that. So sraffa is do that and others but that's the Maliki position is that you can
Yeah, no, you shouldn't do congregational prayers in the in the masjid.
Because it creates confusion as well for other because somebody comes in later and they think you're praying also.
You're and you're actually praying so hard because you've delayed is your enemy and and Maliki's have to have the same knee as the Imam.
What's that?
That's not Malik Malik. You have to have the same intention as the mom.
If you had an ear in Chevy madhhab the mom can have a intention for alpha and your your intentions. Don't hurt.
valid, you can pray behind NASA and be farther than NASA. But in Maliki, you have to have the same intention as the Imam.
Because his prayer is your prayer and that's the whole point of the Imam. So if he's praying one prayer, you're praying another prayer, there's not a
housing carrying your prayer. That's the purpose of the email. That's anyway, that's his position. So
and then cd hollywell ads, these are not in a beracha, cd hollywell ads
for the followers to be lower than the Imam. Right. So the it's, it's best to have them on the same thing, followers can be lower than the Imam, if there's no intention of elevation of the Imam or the Imam has to come before.
If he asked a couple of minutes invalidated the prayer.
But they say it's lab s, if it's like a hand span, you know, it's not it's not much you have a slant in the in the message, you know, like the wall or something, then but generally that they should be equal. on an equal plane. Obviously, the people can be above the Mount, like in a second story. Third story, that's fine, but the it should not be lower. And then for men to pray amongst the women is my crew. You know, that was that thing. The progressive Muslim thing about oh, you know, there's nothing in fact, that says a Persian bow. That's true. Nobody ever said that in the history of Islam. You can pray next to a woman your prayer is valid, but it's my crew.
Yeah. Pray next door. Yeah, that happens all the time. In the harem. I've prayed right next to when I pray women in front of me in the huddle, because you can't even get out. You're just trapped.
So the prayer is valid. You know, that's the point. But it's my crew
to do that. And obviously, if the intention is to pray next to her, then it's how long you know, I mean, if that's what you're doing, but if you're in a situation, the masjid was full, and there's a woman praying on this side or something that happens that happens in the bottom and you also pray next to women in Medina, there's a barrier but you're praying next to them there alongside that's the point women can pray in front or behind you, as the Sahaba yet prayed with no, there was no barrier between them and the Prophet. In fact, one of the women, you know, in the in rewire, poked one of the men, you know, to get him to move ahead.
You know, it's a good point, like, I mean, I personally, I don't like my boys to pray behind their mother.
Because I just don't like the message that it kind of sends. And that's my personal life still had. So my wife prays to the side of the boys not with them. They're supposed to the side.
Now No, exactly. Yeah.
It's still valid, you know, unless you're a Shafi
Yemen. You know, that was crazy, because even, like I read the paper that that girl did on on the, for them arguing their case. She's like, got a master's degree in Islamic studies from McGill University, which,
and, you know, she was reading this book, which I happen to have, you know, on. It's called an Escalade. And it's written by an Egyptian alum, who nobody's ever heard of, is a modern Island. I've never heard of him other than this book. I mean, I was interested in subject years ago, so I bought the book. And you know, he makes these cases. The best book is Abu Salah, you know, his book on the women to fill Islam. That book is an incredible book. And that book should be required reading in all the mattresses, I think.
Yeah, that is a three volume book. And that book will blow your mind. I mean, reading al Bukhari will blow your mind. People don't repeat, you start reading that stuff in your life. They did that that, you know.
So that book, though, will blow your mind. I will Shana because he just shows how there was so much interaction between the men and the women in that early community. And a lot of female teachers that were, you know, the prophets lies to them. And that hijab was specific people don't understand.
The, you know, I mean, I, because I lived with bedwin you know, I really got to understand because the Mauritanians up until very recently, when I first went there were a pre modern society. You know, they were not people that were affected by modernity. So they were living you, you could actually see people it's like discovering a tribe in the Amazon, you know, that hasn't had communication with, you know, missionaries carrying penicillin. The, the, the type of Islam that was out there was so different from anything I'd come up against, and it's really different. And the way they view things, you know, their whole perspective on things just very different. You know, suicide
bombing, I mean, that wasn't even a, you know, they just thought it was insane when they first heard about that, like, they couldn't even there was nothing in there. And these are like folk Aha, that memorize Bahati that know, the seven of karate bread, all the tough seers, they, they know also that they just, they couldn't even there was nothing in their frames of reference that could even and then, when the first books came the modern book, they couldn't even understand them. They like sticker Islami, I remember one chap telling me what is that mean? sticker Islami, they like couldn't even understand what what that concept was.
You know, thicker and in the in,
in, in the Quran is a negative term to Sakura is a positive term, but sychar is a negative term, Corolla Katara. And the only time Sakura is used, it's an it's like, he plotted, you know, scheming.
So a lot of other things. I mean, they couldn't, you know, they just found it really. So a lot of the modern stuff that goes on is very, but you know, one of the things that was very clear to me,
is, you know, because in mortality that were still when I was first there, there was still, you know, there was still women that were in a state of,
you know, a bondage like that. And they had a completely different dress code than the free women. So there were women walking around *, you know, in front of that cinema. I mean, I remember the first time I was, I was this girl, she couldn't have been more than 1819, you know, and she came in serving tea, you know, *. And, you know, I was, I was, like, 19, or something. It was like, it was a shock for me. You know, I mean, in our culture, that's * bar is a very, you know,
but to them, it was just like, there was nothing. And I remember asking one of the people like,
doesn't that, you know, not bother you? And he's like, what? And I said, No, she came in here without any shirt on, he said, dilemma, you know, like her, you know, it just wasn't even a you know, it's just because that was their culture. That was how they were, you know, just how they were raised. There was no and that made me realize one that the hijab doesn't have anything to do with covering ornaments in that way. You know, it has to do with something else you know about about you know, the dignity of being, you know, hora
so
is this very
but, you know, the, the, the argument that she put forward, none of that none zero there's nothing in the early tradition that
that would warrant like a woman being out in front or praying nothing from her arm there's nothing in there that says she was out in front the other mother did say that a woman could lead the press that she led it from behind if there were men involved or she led it within the ranks for women that revolves he doesn't go out in front the
you know, there was nothing in there also about
you know, that would warn his son is very clear that police are very clear that his son had the men the boys and then the women in the very back and he said the best lines of the men are the first lines the best lines of the women are the ones in the in the in the far rear. And then also, you know, the men used to you know, their nakedness will get exposed because their clothes they didn't have you know, their clothes or so.
And so the product actually told the women to wait
until the you know, to give the men some time to so that they wouldn't be exposed to their nakedness.
You know, it's not bad. I mean, at the time, it was like a scandalous book.
But now and then shows you how much has changed, that there's actually a lot of useful stuff in that book. And I think, you know, the majority of that book is true.
It's pretty tame by today's standards compared to what is being put out there now.
But the best one is I was having because he is a he's a traditional, he's atom Syrian, like real atom. And so he's giving you an orthodox Sunni
perspective, he's not he doesn't have an agenda, you know, he really genuinely wants to,
you know, just to put women back on equal footing, and just in terms of
the cultural things that have been done to women that are largely, I mean, a lot of them came out of Byzantine culture, you know, the new hob came out of presenting culture.
You know, the types of Christians, you know, the women in Eastern Orthodox Christianity were less than human, you know, the debates about whether they had sold their complete minions of the devil, you know, and so there was that whole that whole psychology which you don't the publicize him did not have that he warned men, but a lot of those had these are, you know, they go both ways. And, and then some of the olema, you have to take, like America Zadie, almost most of what he says is solid. When it comes to women. You know, Amanda bizarrely is somebody that you just have to take with a grain of salt, because one of the things about great people is great people generally are not people
of their time. It's like Benjamin Rush, that, you know, Benjamin Rush,
Benjamin Rush, one of the signers of the Declaration of Independence, he was a doctor from Massachusetts, Benjamin Rush was one of the he he really felt like slavery had to be dealt with at that time. And he was completely opposed
to slavery. He was he was very, you know, he worked with the African churches in Boston. If you read some of his writings are just beautiful writings, you know, about the spirit of brotherhood that he found in African in the black communities there. But he was a man, he wasn't a man of his time in that issue. He was way ahead of his time.
If you look at somebody like Washington, he was a great man, but on certain things, he was a man of his time. And in some ways, you can't blame people for being men of their time, you know, or women of their time, because they're raised in that whatever that ignorance is, or whatever that perspective is that is left for later generations to address. They're raised in that, you know, so it's easy to detract now, with our enlightened position, say, Oh, they were saved up. But if we were live in that time, if you are a white person, that time that that probably would have been your attitude, unless you were not a person of your time. And that's the way Mr. Mademoiselle is on most
things. He's not a man of his time. He's a universal man, but on certain things, he reflects the time he's, he's living in. And, and and with the women. That's certainly true. You know, I mean, Dr. Winter might disagree with me on that, but that, that that's how that's, that's my view on that.
No, in other words, they would wait till they came into their positions. You see what I mean? So they're so that they didn't see that I wasn't exposed.
They know, they went, they went It was about such that, you know, when they were coming out of their stuff for the woman to
not covering their head, he didn't let them cover their head.
Well, the the EMA in Medina, where there was a lot of prostitution.
And in Arabia, and the women of prostitution tend to be from that class. So it was really a class issue. Do you know and, and he was worried that the free women
if they were if they look the same, then they would accost the free women. And that is one of the reasons why it tells the women to cover their head because so they don't get accosted.
That can add an added layer. Dana, you know, it says they so it's better. Not that you won't get a click
So it's kind of a sign of saying, Look, I'm not a prostitute. You know, I'm not. So I mean, people forget that that, you know, that was a
that was an aspect of that society, there was a lot of,
you know, prostitution that wasn't eliminated.
Right away, you know, in Medina and Mecca.
Yeah.
Yeah, no, exactly. No, exactly. Because people think, you know, so
you know, it's one of those things, it's definitely a socio economic issue. You know, and it's an interesting aspect about early Islam, and it's worth studying it, you know, to look at it, it's a social problem
that they were attempting to address. I mean, these things are really hard to eliminate in societies Do you know, and, and so, that's why we have sleazy parts of town.
Like people, you know, what do you mom's aids that it used to be that that, you know, that there was the sleazy part of town, but now the whole town is sleazy. Do you know, so in the old days, you had to go to a certain place if you wanted drugs, if you wanted prostitution if you want, but now it's you know, it's permeating the whole society, all those aspects. So that's an attempt to marginalize a problem. There's no doubt about that, you know, but and it's also indicative of the fact that it's a socio economic problem because the Quran says do not force your image into prostitution
in the Quran tells. So that was obviously something that was happening are also caught on wouldn't have a dress that you know, as an issue.
You know, there's that the Arabs have vodka, you know, the Baraka or in the jadie poetry, but the burqa is more of a it's like a, it's kind of like one of those ball masks. You know, it doesn't cover the lower mouth, it doesn't really cover the eyes and it doesn't cover the forehead. And if you look at the veteran now that we're Bhopal, which is probably very similar to where they used to wear it, you know, it's not
it's not so much of a veil. It's something else really, I don't you know, it's definitely doesn't strike me as a suit. Anyway, the niqab itself is prohibited on Hajj for a woman to wear a niqab and, and that's indicative of socio economic, you know, because nabobs distinguish, so it was an upper class thing that certain women wore Nearpod what's interesting is lower class people tend to imitate upper class people in healthy societies, like when you have a strong society, the lower classes want to be educated, the lower classes want to dress in a certain way, when you have, you know, what, Toynbee says one of the signs of the decline of civilization is the proletariat proletarianization
of the elite. So, the elite start behaving like
the lower classes and, and and it gets reversed, you know, so they start talking in, in, in, you know, language that has poor grammar, they dress, you know, the kind of slouch culture that I mean, that's all negative signs, the prophets I sent him,
you know, his culture.
He encouraged all that, you know, area addition speaking, well, St. Elmo, when he heard the man speak grammatically incorrect. They were shooting arrows, and he said,
he said that you need to practice more, because he was missing the target. And saying almost, and the man said, nanomoles petitjean.
Like we're beginners, and say, No, Omar said, you know, lanoka, you know, you're, you're incorrect grammar. It's, it's a harder hit to me than hearing the bad archery, you know, because he should have said no move to the own. Right. Move to the hover.
So, but that you know, that's a sign that's a bad sign when grammar you lose grammar. It's a sign of a culture, you know, on their way out, because, like debasement of currency debasement of language debasement of human dignity, all those types of things are indicative of a society that's on its way out, you know, so
Well, yeah, that
I mean, there are elements that say that a woman's face to a non Muslim man is our and the lie behind that is that, you know, he can
he can fantasize or you know, or derive sexual pleasure from her face. I mean, that's the idea behind that. So
no, those are all interests. You had that? Yeah. Because the non Muslim men saw the women.
But I you know what I was gonna say, here's what I was gonna say we got way off track here.
The hijab came because the houses were open.
People used to walk by and the prophets wives were in the kitchen and there was no door screen there were the windows were open, and they could look inside and see the women
and the Satan Omar was worried about the facade you know, people that didn't have the job of lowering the gaze. And and having that modesty that's what he was worried about. And he said, Yeah, todo la could burn fat, you're good people and bad people come to visit you. And and, and so I said, Oh, my head, but hey, era, for the wives of the Prophet slicin. And that's when the idol hijab came down, was telling them to draw the curtain. So it's really creating, because the Arabs were, you know, the Arabs were, their origin is Bedouin, in Bedouin culture, everything's open, literally, I mean, the tent is open. And so you have to have a kind of edit, there's an ad about lowering the
gaze. I mean, that the fact that in the Quran, the Arabs understood those certain things, they're generally poetry about lowering the gaze, because there were certain Arabs about passing a tent, you know, and not looking inside to see the heading. So that aspect of their culture was very open. And so what what the hijab is, is it's the beginning of private space, you know, the creation of private space. And even the motto here, the women used to go out and they would, you know, and I lived in so I've seen this, I'm, you'll be walking, and you come across a woman who's, you know, she's going to the bathroom in Mauritania, it's, it's a common thing. That's what you find a low place and, and
there's an adapt, you know, it's just turn the other way and start walking in another direction. But that, that aspect, the prophets mission comes and it's a transition from that kind of public
social
life in which, you know, privacy is very limited to, really the the institutionalization of privacy.
The idea of having, you know, coming to a house and asking permission to come in the bedroom, don't do that. When I was in Mauritania, people come into how they'll just walk in and sit down. And, you know, there's no, that's just their culture.
if nobody's home, you just go in.
So anyway, that was my point about that.
There is no I've never seen anything. I've looked at a lot of books on this. I've never seen anything there. You know, what the Iranian women do? That's true. They used to pull the, the, you know, the the MMR over the face, but I've never seen anything that would indicate they were wearing niqab like an actual face veil that's made for the face. You know, show me Show me the rewire?
No,
there's definitely Hadees that say that. The women when they went out, they could see one eye, but that's the way the Iranian women if you watch them in Medina, I've seen them, you know, they cover their face with the cheddar.
You know, they pull it over and and just have that one eye for, for guiding them. So but you know, it's it's
it's not a Maliki position than the apob you know, it's the face is not outta and the hands are not out. It's not America is in the other med haves. Shout out. They told me that that of all it's not in any of the format hubs as a as a mature of their EMR.
That's what he told me.
He says in the heart of their scholars.
Well, but it's there. I'm not going to deny it, you know, but why on Hajj can
They were a nipah. I mean, the one place where you would think that would be where they should display that the ultimate state of piety is on Hajj. And yet a lot, you know, the none of the 40 moms permit the woman to wear a niqab on Hajj. I mean, that's kind of an odd thing, wouldn't you think?
You know,
yeah.
Ya know, on had
napalm was known to the Arabs, but I'm talking about the new show me where it says that Sahabi ad we're wearing the niqab? That's true. The profiles and the Nepal are mentioned in the Hadith.
That's not enough home. ohada No, it doesn't work like that.
muffin mohalla. would would.
You know, what are you saying that the mahoma mohalla is that they would be permitted to wear it outside of had. Yeah, no, that I mean, there's no prohibition against niqab. But is it sooner?
That's the question. There's no prohibition.
Yeah, if it's an order for you know, that's true. Like, if it's an order for people, if that's their order, then it's an order. That's true.
But but that's, that's not assume that, that, you know, putting forward that this is a sin for Muslim women. This is a way that they're getting close to their Lord by covering their faces.
That's, that's where I have a problem with that. Personally, that's my personal fault. Maybe it's my California upbringing or something, but I personally find it demeaning for women. That's my own experience of it. You know, there's other women, that's where they want to be, that's fine, if that's where they want to be, but to impose that on women. You know,
I, you know, it's not even good for them, like they need vitamin D.
You know, they've got these women osteoporosis is a major problem in Saudi Arabia, because they have vitamin D deficiencies.
You know, and I know women physicians that have told me that in Saudi Arabia, so I'm not making this up. It's a major problem because these women are so covered from head to toe, you know,
and Mauritanian when a lot of more Indian women cover their faces with their middle halfa now within the pub with their middle hatha, just like in Sudan, they do the same thing with the mill Hopper, and that's fine. Some women want to do that. In in, in I stayed with swag for a few months in, in the Sahara, and I never saw their mouths when they ate, they ate with their, their nipah bond. You know,
ya know, the leatham they were the leatham and Arab men did that. And, and the what, but the twatter do it. They don't show their mouths, the men in their culture, it's the opposite the women eat with you, they sit with you and they you know, you can see their mouth but the men won't eat with you like that they all cover their mouth the whole time they're eating
you know, and their women are sitting they don't have a problem with their wife eating with you, Mr. Malik in the walpa which is a Sahih Hadith was asked about women eating with their husbands with their guests. I mean, you know,
right, it's right there in the water. And he said lab so be that there's no harm in that either. You're either as long as they have ad that you know, you're not staring at the woman while she's eating or something like that.
So anyway, that that's, you know, I'm not gonna I acknowledge and accept those other positions. I'm not saying that I just the monarchy position is the face of a woman is not our it's not our that's all and and that, that is, I believe, that's the only type of Islam that's going to spread in the West. Um, do you see like, Are women you know, I just don't think they're gonna go for it. Hillary Clinton's not gonna go for it.
You know,
I mean, the hair Yeah, because hair bad hair days are problems in the West and, and it's a multi billion dollar industry, you know? So you know, hair makes perfect sense to me because hair is, you know, women have such trauma with hair. You know, how many
They're always everyday do this thing with their hair. So, and that's why, you know, they used to wear scarves a lot. And you know my mother when my mother was in her 20s. She's older. My mother's almost 90. My mother was in her 20s. She was she was from a wealthy family, she could not go out
of her house without a hat, a mesh, and gloves.
And they actually and they called it a face veil. She had mesh over the hat, you have to wear the mesh, and she had to have gloves on. And that was like, if you didn't do that it was shameful. That's all. You know, in a culture. That's all that's completely gone that idea from this, but may even men, the oldest of men in this culture, you have to wear a hat. You went out in public. That was our cover the head.
What's up
wigs women used to wear wigs Jewish women. That's what they do. Because Jewish women have you know, the Talmud says
there's only Hebrew I know. sarel been shot afra you know, women's hair is nakedness.
Yeah.
I, you know, I asked a rabbi about what the ruling on it was. And he said, that's the Talmud That
said, the woman's hair is nakedness. So the women shave their head, some of the Orthodox women shave their head, and they wear wigs. And somewhere the scarves. In fact, somebody one of these women came up to my wife asked her how she tied the hijab. And and she said, You know, I just got so tired of it. So then she, she shook her little wig. She said, I just wear a wig now.
You know, so
some of them do. Yeah, I mean, some, there's also I believe, and have to do some really weird stuff and
know the prophets, wives have a totally different status. And that's where the Obama, the majority of Obama's say that sort of terrorism was specifically and if you look at the seaoc of the verse, it was revealed about the wives of the Prophet.
And they were told to stay in their homes, not to go out.
They still went out, you know, for their needs, it was permissible for them to go out for their needs, but they were told to stay in their homes. And, and they were told to draw a curtain between them. And when on the tube came in the prophet SAW, I saw them, you know, they were sitting there, and they said, he's blind. And the province lies to them said, Are you too blind? You know, in other words, it goes both ways.
So
and I should talk from behind a curtain she talked to him in
you know, when she went on the the Battle of the German shoes in the hood edge, although she did fall out.
You know, so
anyway,
they're valid positions. I'm not going to deny that. And there's valid odema that argue both ways.
So
Well, that was specific for Isaiah. I mean, there's not there's women that taught in the hot arm of Mecca on Hani taught in the hadham taught Hadith. You know, there's women that taught traditionally in, you know, pre Ottoman Islam, the women were teaching publicly,
you know.
So,
I mean, we have to, you know, the modern world, we have to deal with this fact that things have changed.
You know, you're not going to put the genie back in the bottle.
And so that what we need to do is work out how,
you know, how our societies can,
you know, best guard the essentials of Islam and the spirit of Islam, without compromising those things, but at the same time, acknowledging that the world the postmodern and postmodern worlds are very different from the pre modern world. And I'll tell you another thing, and I believe this.
You know, I, you know, I don't know why we got off on this subject. But, you know, de tocqueville wrote a book called democracy in America. And there's a section in there, in which he talks about one of the things that really struck him about America was that there was far less
Hanky Panky, then there was in France and Europe generally. And and he said he thought a lot about why that was.
He said, people were very sensitive to adultery and fornication. And, and, and, and they there was generally a very strong spirit against it. Whereas in Europe, that was not the case. And that's still true to a certain degree, you know, like politicians who are held to a higher standard than the, you know, the average Americans like politician are expected to be married, not to be living in sin. Even though half this country is now no longer married, but politician are still expected to be married. And they're expected to be faithful to their wives, you know, even though the statistics in the dominant culture indicate that that's not always the case either. But in Europe, they kind of
laugh at that. They think it's a prudishness of Americans, you know, politicians in France are expected to have mistresses. And there's, you know, if they get I'm in Barcelona, right in Italy, like, I mean, these guys are prime minister and he's has prostitutes come to his house and things like that. So and he's in his 70s, you know,
shares zanny you know, God, God won't look at a old fornicator
you know, like young people, okay, I'll give you a break. But, you know, this old person.
So
what what,
what de tocqueville says is
that the reason that he thought that was true is because of the egalitarian quality in the society. And he said that women were allowed to marry the men that they fell in love with, which was not the case in Europe.
And he said, because of the stratification in society,
women and men would often fall in love but the society would not permit them from consummating that love, so they would consummate it illicitly. When I read that it just, I mean, the whole Arab thing just boom it just made so much sense to me.
You know, of why you would want when you have tribal societies, when you have social stratification when you have a shell we then have a very, you know, women and men and you don't want them to fall in love because you know, if if a how to B falls in love with a timimi and the tummies don't think that the How to B's men are good enough for too many women. You've got a problem. So social isolation.
Exactly. social isolation.
So just don't don't let men and women mix to where they can fall in love because people fall in love. If you have if you have mixing, people do fall in love. And if you have a society where that's why if you look at the prophets, Hadith, then it makes total sense in de tocqueville's light. The Prophet said, If a man comes to you, who's Deen an attacker, your weaker man attack him you're the convener Whoo hoo. loco, his his religion and his character, fuzz Oh, whoo hoo. Then marry him if he's asking for you know the daughter, marry him. And then he says, if you don't do that, there will be fitna. Once I sat down
and widespread
degeneracy,
you know you're gonna have problems if you don't, because women, if she's in love with the man and he comes in proposes and the father says, he's not the same lineage or he's not same socio, but he's got good character and good Dean, then that woman might end up doing something illicit because that happens when people are in love. So anyway,
there was homosexuality, and beheading. There wasn't any there's no indication that there was homosexuality amongst the Arabs. There's no jolly poetry.
Now, there's a lot. Yeah.
That's another thing. Yeah, no, I agree. And there's also lesbianism there's a lot of lesbianism right now in Saudi Arabia, it's rife with that problem. You know, I'm very familiar with the social problems in these books. I know a lot of people, you know, that are dealing with these very problems. They're trying to address these problems from inside. And these are real problems. homosexuality, Peter philia. has a lot of *, there's a lot of lesbian ism. You know.
And I think a lot of that has to do with all this social repression, you know, that they're just not healthy.
You know, it's, it's what one of those comedians said
You know, the only thing that could get a woman in a beehive is religion, you know, the beehive costume. But then he said, you know, because he's talking about the Muslim world isn't the only thing and get a woman in a beehive called beekeepers costume is a religion. But then he said, you know, in our culture though, I feel sorry for one class of women prostitutes, because in the old days, you could tell who they were.
Is it now all our women look like prostitutes, so it's hard for them to advertise. And to me that that, you know, artists have, they often have, you know, interesting insights, it's like, we're both way out of balance, you know, this culture is is very
imbalanced about these issues, but the Muslim world also in trying to protect chastity. I mean, a lot of the impulses behind these things are noble, they're not ignoble their noble impulses, trying to protect women, you know, trying to guard because chastity that if the virtue of a woman is chastity, there's no doubt about that. And also men because they're weak. The onus is, is definitely greater on the woman because of the weakness of men. Women don't have the same type of weakness that men do in that area. And that's why there's a stronger onus on the woman to guard her chastity. And that's why if you look at the repercussions of these things, they fall on women more than they fall
on men. Right?
The The, the the illicit child goes to the woman, it doesn't go to the man.
You know, he if he denies it, that's it.
If there's no evidence, even if she says he's the husband, Sharia goes with the man. So the onus is greater on the woman to guard her chastity.
Anyway.
Somebody wanted to talk about that in here.
Oh, praying by side, side by side, look at where we got off on that.
And the
unit, yeah, the history on our, you know, they were taken from mostly from East Africa. And they were used initially they were used
in the Byzantines had Unix, you know, to guard their women. And so the Muslim rulers like the whole idea.
But the Haram used to have they're still there. I wanted to do a documentary. I actually tried to get permission from the government because I really want to do because they're dying out, you know, and they're really interesting. People. The,
you know, has anybody seen them in the bottom?
Yeah, they're almost gone. You know, they're there. They're Africans from Zanzibar mostly. And they're very big. They wear turbans, they have a sash belt and a white robe. There are only a few left are very, very old. But, you know, almost 30 years ago, when I first went there, they were, you know, in their 50s and 60s, and there were quite a few of them. They're dying off now but they're, it's one of the richest and the Saudi government's kind of waiting for them all to die off because it's one of the richest elpa in in Mecca, Medina, they they have so much land. They're very wealthy, because there was so much given to them because they were the people that guarded the hot on shitty
the Unix in both Mecca and Medina, you can still see one or two, if you go go to the sofa, and you'll see them sitting there. They're very old now. They're very distinct. They don't have beards. They have very high pitched voices.
And the most of them, they're very learned to that, you know, but they were you know, they were castrated as children and then given to the hot on by their, their families. So I it's totally how wrong the horrible thing to do to somebody. But I mean, that was a one of the negative cultural aspects of the Muslim world, and a lot of other things. You know, it's just some of our negative negative cultural aspects we buttress up with
the Leos from the book and the Sunnah, and other ones, we just recognize them for what they are, but they're kind of still around. So
and they're discouraged for the salary to regulate mom to be a person of unknown repute. So how you been obey or hyaena good advantage somebody. You don't know who they, you know, they the stranger that
Just shows up to town and applies to be Mom, you don't know if he's come from another place because he was chased out for skirt chasing or something like that. I mean, who knows. So it's good to find out who your mom is, someone who has homosexual tendencies is called Matt Boone and has repented from a homosexual or has repented from a homosexual act, but others still suspect him. And they speak about him, you know, the bone is, you know, he's described as a feminine, you know, somebody who tends to be a feminine opener, it was, what was what homosexuality was called, it's a disease, they called it the aging disease. And it was seen as like a, an unhealthy, you know, they saw it as
a disease, just like it used to be up until 1978. In the United States, it was considered a disease in the in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual. I think the last one that had it was the third one, as the disease is considered a disease, and the man that finally convinced the, you know, the the Association of psychiatrists to, to take it out of the DSM three are later recanted several years later, and he said he felt he made a big mistake, you know, so that's kind of an interesting.
And there's a whole spectrum of homosexuality, you know, you have the flaming the really, and then you have the very perverse and you know, and then you have, you know, a far less.
So, there's a whole spectrum of that, but all of it is how Tom and
they shouldn't be moms, but they're there, it's my crew. If a homosexual
is his praise, the prayer is valid as long as they delay us to handle as long as they don't consider the act permissible. Their prayer is valid, and the person praying behind them their prayer is valid.
And then uncircumcised also its other length is mcru. The parents valid email Malik is the only man that considers it a cinema actor, that's not a follow up to get circumcised. So
fortunately, for people that were born in this country, I think before the 70s, it was pretty much just standard practice in the US. Now it's a requested, so you're gonna have a lot more uncircumcised people.
But it used to be I mean, I know people who have become Muslim and gotten circumcised
by
an English person that was circumcised in Iran. So
a bondsman is makrooh for somebody who's in a state of duck to leave the unit also or a bastard. And now, this is an important point and I shall convey about this checkup dolla
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said that we should consider people who are born into houses that in which their parents are committed to each other, even if they did not get legally married, which we should consider those people, legitimate children.
You know, because
the
there's a lot of people like that now that their parents weren't married, but they were in committed relationships. And so he said that, because I told him, we have this problem and my own