Haitham al-Haddad – UK Riots – Answers Your Questions Empowered #23

Haitham al-Haddad
AI: Summary ©
The conversation discusses the challenges faced by the Muslim community in government, including the need for empowerment and peace and security. The speakers emphasize the importance of finding ways to eliminate or eliminate policies that are too close to Islam and finding ways to eliminate or eliminate policies that are too close to Islam. They also emphasize the need for transparency and engagement in publicity, community, and leadership, while avoiding victimization and not showing weakness. The importance of strong community, engagement, and transparency is emphasized.
AI: Transcript ©
00:00:00 --> 00:00:02

We need to be honest, because really, what

00:00:02 --> 00:00:04

light is very embarrassing. You know, some of

00:00:04 --> 00:00:08

the messages I received, do white British people

00:00:08 --> 00:00:10

behave like this all the time? I this

00:00:10 --> 00:00:12

is a message to our imams and our

00:00:12 --> 00:00:16

leaders. We should always display that we are

00:00:16 --> 00:00:16

strong.

00:00:17 --> 00:00:20

Even if someone were to interpret those verses

00:00:20 --> 00:00:22

like this, we say, look at the overall

00:00:22 --> 00:00:25

message of the Quran. The overall message of

00:00:25 --> 00:00:27

the Quran is a message of empowerment.

00:00:27 --> 00:00:30

It is a message of strength. White people

00:00:30 --> 00:00:31

are not like this.

00:00:32 --> 00:00:36

Let us not think of the We've got,

00:00:36 --> 00:00:41

you know, these riots, these lootings, shops

00:00:42 --> 00:00:44

being smashed. We've got these riots, these lootings,

00:00:45 --> 00:00:46

shops being smashed.

00:00:47 --> 00:00:48

How do you read the situation?

00:00:49 --> 00:00:49

Yeah.

00:00:52 --> 00:00:54

I am sure that you are referring to

00:00:54 --> 00:00:56

the recent riots that

00:00:56 --> 00:00:57

we are witnessing

00:01:05 --> 00:01:05

Muharram,

00:01:06 --> 00:01:06

by the way,

00:01:07 --> 00:01:09

and beginning of Safar 1446.

00:01:11 --> 00:01:13

To be honest with you, it, for so

00:01:13 --> 00:01:14

many people,

00:01:15 --> 00:01:18

it was a shock for so many, and

00:01:18 --> 00:01:21

for some others, it was

00:01:21 --> 00:01:22

expected.

00:01:22 --> 00:01:23

Now,

00:01:24 --> 00:01:25

we can

00:01:25 --> 00:01:28

combine between both. Why it was a shock?

00:01:28 --> 00:01:31

Because so many people, especially people from abroad,

00:01:31 --> 00:01:33

they contacted me, and they were at a

00:01:33 --> 00:01:33

shock,

00:01:35 --> 00:01:37

for what they have seen,

00:01:37 --> 00:01:40

you know, looting the stores and

00:01:40 --> 00:01:42

behaving in a very,

00:01:43 --> 00:01:44

savage way,

00:01:44 --> 00:01:45

barbaric way,

00:01:46 --> 00:01:48

as if they were coming from,

00:01:48 --> 00:01:49

jungle

00:01:49 --> 00:01:51

or jungles and

00:01:52 --> 00:01:53

behaving in this way. And

00:01:54 --> 00:01:56

the the many people were asking,

00:01:56 --> 00:01:57

do

00:01:58 --> 00:02:00

white British people behave like this

00:02:01 --> 00:02:02

all the time?

00:02:03 --> 00:02:05

Because, remember, when media

00:02:06 --> 00:02:07

is presenting certain,

00:02:08 --> 00:02:10

you know, images, video clips

00:02:10 --> 00:02:13

about something that is happening in a country,

00:02:13 --> 00:02:16

people think that this is happening everywhere in

00:02:16 --> 00:02:19

every single corner of the country. That is

00:02:19 --> 00:02:19

the

00:02:20 --> 00:02:20

the

00:02:21 --> 00:02:22

natural natural

00:02:23 --> 00:02:25

perception and reaction.

00:02:25 --> 00:02:27

So I was telling people, no,

00:02:28 --> 00:02:29

this is not the case.

00:02:29 --> 00:02:31

These riots are taking place in

00:02:32 --> 00:02:33

certain

00:02:33 --> 00:02:35

places. They are not everywhere.

00:02:36 --> 00:02:38

White people are not like this.

00:02:39 --> 00:02:41

Non Muslims are not like this. We have

00:02:41 --> 00:02:42

seen so many,

00:02:43 --> 00:02:46

although I don't like to use this term,

00:02:46 --> 00:02:47

white indigenous

00:02:48 --> 00:02:48

people

00:02:49 --> 00:02:50

marching, supporting

00:02:50 --> 00:02:53

our causes as Muslims. In fact, there were

00:02:53 --> 00:02:53

reports

00:02:54 --> 00:02:56

of so many white people who are

00:02:56 --> 00:02:57

defending the mosques,

00:02:58 --> 00:02:58

yeah,

00:02:59 --> 00:03:01

these days, during these riots.

00:03:02 --> 00:03:04

And someone told me that some of them

00:03:04 --> 00:03:05

even were making

00:03:06 --> 00:03:08

some money to fix, you know, the shops

00:03:08 --> 00:03:09

and and

00:03:09 --> 00:03:10

the mosques. So

00:03:11 --> 00:03:12

this doesn't give

00:03:14 --> 00:03:15

a correct

00:03:16 --> 00:03:19

accurate image about the white non Muslim

00:03:20 --> 00:03:20

community.

00:03:22 --> 00:03:25

Now from the other side, was this expected?

00:03:26 --> 00:03:29

If someone were to analyze the situation

00:03:29 --> 00:03:30

carefully,

00:03:30 --> 00:03:32

he would expect something

00:03:32 --> 00:03:36

like this to take place. Why? How? Yes.

00:03:36 --> 00:03:38

How is that? If you look at

00:03:39 --> 00:03:40

the media rhetoric and

00:03:41 --> 00:03:42

key politicians'

00:03:43 --> 00:03:44

language

00:03:44 --> 00:03:47

that has been used. In fact, to be

00:03:47 --> 00:03:49

honest with you, the whole atmosphere,

00:03:50 --> 00:03:50

since

00:03:51 --> 00:03:54

the the war on terror. Yeah. Yeah. The

00:03:54 --> 00:03:57

2000 Muslims using Muslims as a political football.

00:03:57 --> 00:03:58

Exactly.

00:03:59 --> 00:04:01

And, you know, stereotyping,

00:04:02 --> 00:04:03

okay, of Muslims,

00:04:04 --> 00:04:07

accusations of Muslims. And even even, you know,

00:04:07 --> 00:04:08

when they talk about,

00:04:09 --> 00:04:09

for example,

00:04:10 --> 00:04:11

the the the

00:04:12 --> 00:04:13

quote, unquote Pakistani

00:04:14 --> 00:04:15

Muslim gang

00:04:15 --> 00:04:18

that was grooming girls in Bradford,

00:04:18 --> 00:04:22

etcetera. They were focusing on their what their

00:04:22 --> 00:04:23

ethnic background.

00:04:24 --> 00:04:27

They were focusing on their religious or Islamic

00:04:27 --> 00:04:28

identity, Pakistanis

00:04:29 --> 00:04:30

or Muslims

00:04:30 --> 00:04:33

who are, you know, forming these,

00:04:33 --> 00:04:37

these gangs to groom our girls, etcetera.

00:04:37 --> 00:04:38

So this language

00:04:39 --> 00:04:40

by some politicians

00:04:40 --> 00:04:42

and as well

00:04:43 --> 00:04:43

by,

00:04:45 --> 00:04:48

many media outlets. Yeah. This language

00:04:48 --> 00:04:49

charged

00:04:49 --> 00:04:50

some people.

00:04:51 --> 00:04:51

Yeah?

00:04:52 --> 00:04:54

And add to this the social political

00:04:55 --> 00:04:58

situation and maybe the deprivation

00:04:58 --> 00:05:01

of certain segments of the wider society

00:05:02 --> 00:05:05

and maybe other elements such as the educational

00:05:06 --> 00:05:06

system

00:05:06 --> 00:05:08

that might not help

00:05:08 --> 00:05:10

in, in

00:05:10 --> 00:05:11

in in,

00:05:11 --> 00:05:11

fostering

00:05:12 --> 00:05:15

a culture of tolerance, a true culture of

00:05:15 --> 00:05:16

tolerance.

00:05:17 --> 00:05:18

Yeah, and accepting

00:05:19 --> 00:05:19

others,

00:05:21 --> 00:05:24

etcetera. So there were number of factors that

00:05:24 --> 00:05:25

contributed

00:05:25 --> 00:05:26

in building

00:05:27 --> 00:05:27

Yeah.

00:05:28 --> 00:05:28

This,

00:05:29 --> 00:05:31

this attitude. Some of them are not saying

00:05:31 --> 00:05:33

this attitude and charging people,

00:05:34 --> 00:05:37

and people were waiting for something to ignite,

00:05:39 --> 00:05:39

their,

00:05:40 --> 00:05:41

this reaction.

00:05:41 --> 00:05:42

And this

00:05:42 --> 00:05:44

is exactly what has happened.

00:05:45 --> 00:05:46

It's like some of those these are ancient.

00:05:46 --> 00:05:49

There's an author called Jonathan Lyons. He's written

00:05:49 --> 00:05:51

a book called Islam Through Western Eyes, something

00:05:51 --> 00:05:53

like this, and he charts the same discourse,

00:05:53 --> 00:05:55

the same kind of recurring motifs

00:05:56 --> 00:05:57

from the Crusades all the way to the

00:05:57 --> 00:05:58

war on terror.

00:05:59 --> 00:06:01

You know, that this is almost, as though,

00:06:01 --> 00:06:03

you know, many people have written that

00:06:04 --> 00:06:06

when when Western Europe came to start to

00:06:06 --> 00:06:09

define itself, it was in contradiction to Islam.

00:06:09 --> 00:06:11

Yeah. To using Islam as the other to

00:06:11 --> 00:06:13

define itself. Yeah. And there are certain recurring

00:06:13 --> 00:06:16

things like the invaders, the the taking over,

00:06:16 --> 00:06:18

the taking of women, this kind of stuff.

00:06:19 --> 00:06:21

And it's it's repeated throughout history. And in

00:06:21 --> 00:06:23

in recent history, like you were the Trojan

00:06:23 --> 00:06:25

hoax Yeah. Kind of scandal Yeah. You know,

00:06:25 --> 00:06:28

falsified documents and and just Yeah. People like,

00:06:28 --> 00:06:29

Michael Gove kind of

00:06:31 --> 00:06:34

piggybacking and hijacking these these kind of touch

00:06:34 --> 00:06:34

points

00:06:34 --> 00:06:36

that are already kind of latent in the

00:06:36 --> 00:06:39

imagination. Yes. Yes. And just kind of using

00:06:39 --> 00:06:40

them as a as a quick kind of

00:06:40 --> 00:06:42

political football for Yeah. Or whatever thing. I

00:06:42 --> 00:06:44

mean, I mean, because lots of people

00:06:44 --> 00:06:47

are disillusioned. They have rubbish lives. They have

00:06:47 --> 00:06:48

no meaning in their life. They have, you

00:06:48 --> 00:06:51

know, even financially financial issues or communal issues,

00:06:51 --> 00:06:54

family breakdown, and stuff like that. Yeah. And

00:06:54 --> 00:06:55

here you have politicians

00:06:55 --> 00:06:56

Yeah. For

00:06:57 --> 00:06:59

years, instead of doing something about it or

00:06:59 --> 00:07:01

actually coming clean, like, you know what? These

00:07:01 --> 00:07:04

are political decisions we made, austerity Yeah. Liberalism,

00:07:04 --> 00:07:07

neoliberalism, whatever. They'll just say, oh, actually, it's

00:07:07 --> 00:07:09

the it's the it's the immigrants' fault. It's

00:07:09 --> 00:07:11

the Muslims' fault. It's the Yeah. Those are

00:07:11 --> 00:07:14

your Actually, Yani, if I may summarize what

00:07:14 --> 00:07:16

you have mentioned, because this is quite important

00:07:17 --> 00:07:18

and deep. Two points you mentioned.

00:07:19 --> 00:07:21

The first point, which is, you know,

00:07:22 --> 00:07:23

which is an identity

00:07:24 --> 00:07:24

crisis.

00:07:25 --> 00:07:27

Mhmm. Yeah? And

00:07:27 --> 00:07:30

this crisis is manifested when you, as you

00:07:30 --> 00:07:30

said, in,

00:07:31 --> 00:07:33

and, you summarize the book of Jonathan

00:07:34 --> 00:07:35

that when you

00:07:35 --> 00:07:36

identify

00:07:36 --> 00:07:37

yourself,

00:07:38 --> 00:07:41

yeah, in comparison to others Mhmm. Whether it

00:07:41 --> 00:07:45

is a positive comparison or negative comparison, it

00:07:45 --> 00:07:46

means that

00:07:46 --> 00:07:47

your existence

00:07:47 --> 00:07:48

is,

00:07:49 --> 00:07:53

dependent on others, positivity or negativity. This is

00:07:53 --> 00:07:54

an identity

00:07:54 --> 00:07:55

crisis,

00:07:55 --> 00:07:57

and this is what we have been saying

00:07:57 --> 00:07:58

that

00:07:58 --> 00:07:59

Europe is

00:08:00 --> 00:08:03

suffering from this identity crisis for a long

00:08:03 --> 00:08:03

time.

00:08:04 --> 00:08:06

What is Europe? And that's why when we

00:08:06 --> 00:08:09

say European Muslims, is it geography that is

00:08:09 --> 00:08:10

identifying

00:08:10 --> 00:08:11

Muslims,

00:08:11 --> 00:08:13

or is it history,

00:08:13 --> 00:08:15

or is it religion? Is it culture?

00:08:16 --> 00:08:18

Religion? Of course, it is not because

00:08:18 --> 00:08:20

there is now a shift to transformation.

00:08:21 --> 00:08:24

I remember the Czech Republic, I think, a

00:08:24 --> 00:08:28

few years ago, they identified themselves as,

00:08:29 --> 00:08:31

as a non Christian country. They used to

00:08:31 --> 00:08:34

identify themselves as Christian country, but with the

00:08:34 --> 00:08:37

rise of atheism, etcetera. So they they removed

00:08:37 --> 00:08:39

that from their constitution.

00:08:40 --> 00:08:42

Something like this. This is according to some

00:08:42 --> 00:08:45

brothers from them. So is it religion that

00:08:45 --> 00:08:48

identifies Europe? Is it what is it? A

00:08:48 --> 00:08:52

culture? Is it Europe? Is it white, a

00:08:52 --> 00:08:53

white continent?

00:08:53 --> 00:08:57

No. So when you have this crisis, you

00:08:57 --> 00:08:57

start

00:08:58 --> 00:09:02

attacking others to what? To build an identity

00:09:02 --> 00:09:04

for yourself, which means that you are unable

00:09:05 --> 00:09:05

to

00:09:06 --> 00:09:07

have your own

00:09:07 --> 00:09:10

identity with your, you know, own ideology. And

00:09:10 --> 00:09:12

this is a a big crisis

00:09:12 --> 00:09:15

Europe is facing. This is one thing.

00:09:16 --> 00:09:18

The the the second thing is

00:09:18 --> 00:09:20

when you start,

00:09:20 --> 00:09:21

you know,

00:09:21 --> 00:09:25

labeling others and attacking others, yeah, in order

00:09:25 --> 00:09:26

to claim,

00:09:27 --> 00:09:28

exclusively,

00:09:30 --> 00:09:30

goodness

00:09:31 --> 00:09:31

to yourself.

00:09:32 --> 00:09:33

This is again

00:09:33 --> 00:09:36

a problem because it means that you are

00:09:36 --> 00:09:36

unable

00:09:37 --> 00:09:37

to

00:09:38 --> 00:09:39

coexist

00:09:40 --> 00:09:42

with others in a in a peaceful way,

00:09:42 --> 00:09:44

not just only in a peaceful way, in

00:09:44 --> 00:09:46

a fruitful way that will benefit

00:09:47 --> 00:09:49

the the society at large.

00:09:49 --> 00:09:50

So the

00:09:51 --> 00:09:54

the, and that's why even when multiculturalism

00:09:55 --> 00:09:56

was attacked,

00:09:56 --> 00:09:57

there was no alternative.

00:09:58 --> 00:10:01

Yeah. In fact, you know, when they were

00:10:01 --> 00:10:02

attacking multiculturalism,

00:10:03 --> 00:10:04

they are telling

00:10:05 --> 00:10:08

people like the far right, those who are

00:10:08 --> 00:10:11

committing this, you know, the the making these

00:10:11 --> 00:10:13

riots and committing these crimes that,

00:10:13 --> 00:10:14

see,

00:10:14 --> 00:10:16

you have to force others

00:10:17 --> 00:10:17

to be

00:10:19 --> 00:10:20

the way you want

00:10:20 --> 00:10:23

to be like you. And this leads me

00:10:23 --> 00:10:26

to another crucial point,

00:10:28 --> 00:10:31

which is, you know, in any society,

00:10:31 --> 00:10:32

if there is

00:10:32 --> 00:10:33

polarization,

00:10:35 --> 00:10:36

yeah, that,

00:10:38 --> 00:10:40

that will be, that paves the way to

00:10:40 --> 00:10:42

the destruction of the society.

00:10:43 --> 00:10:44

Yeah. Because

00:10:46 --> 00:10:47

hegemony

00:10:47 --> 00:10:47

and,

00:10:49 --> 00:10:50

and and and,

00:10:51 --> 00:10:51

fruitful

00:10:52 --> 00:10:52

coexistence

00:10:53 --> 00:10:53

despite

00:10:54 --> 00:10:55

diversity

00:10:55 --> 00:10:56

cannot

00:10:56 --> 00:10:57

exist.

00:10:57 --> 00:10:58

Yeah.

00:10:58 --> 00:11:00

There will be polarization,

00:11:01 --> 00:11:01

us

00:11:02 --> 00:11:03

versus others,

00:11:04 --> 00:11:06

the others. Mhmm. And that

00:11:06 --> 00:11:07

will be like,

00:11:08 --> 00:11:09

the fuel

00:11:10 --> 00:11:10

that will

00:11:11 --> 00:11:11

provide

00:11:12 --> 00:11:12

sectarianism,

00:11:13 --> 00:11:14

racism Yeah.

00:11:15 --> 00:11:18

Civil by powers. Exactly. Civil

00:11:18 --> 00:11:19

disruption,

00:11:19 --> 00:11:21

and it might lead actually

00:11:21 --> 00:11:24

to civil wars. If you look at civil

00:11:24 --> 00:11:26

wars with the in Arab countries, in Lebanon,

00:11:27 --> 00:11:29

long time ago in in the eighties or

00:11:29 --> 00:11:32

before the eighties, or some other civil wars

00:11:32 --> 00:11:33

in some other,

00:11:34 --> 00:11:35

African countries,

00:11:36 --> 00:11:37

it was mainly

00:11:38 --> 00:11:39

there was

00:11:39 --> 00:11:41

a level of polarization.

00:11:41 --> 00:11:42

And when they

00:11:43 --> 00:11:45

the moment came for,

00:11:46 --> 00:11:47

the exploitation

00:11:47 --> 00:11:50

took place, then there was a civil war

00:11:50 --> 00:11:51

between,

00:11:52 --> 00:11:52

others,

00:11:52 --> 00:11:53

between,

00:11:54 --> 00:11:55

between them. Now

00:11:56 --> 00:11:57

we have to be careful.

00:11:57 --> 00:11:58

Yeah.

00:11:58 --> 00:12:01

And this is a message for all,

00:12:01 --> 00:12:04

the authorities, the wise people from

00:12:04 --> 00:12:06

all communities, including Muslims.

00:12:07 --> 00:12:08

We need to be careful,

00:12:09 --> 00:12:09

yeah,

00:12:10 --> 00:12:13

not to this not to allow this polarization

00:12:14 --> 00:12:16

to take place in our country,

00:12:17 --> 00:12:20

because it will destroy us all. It will

00:12:20 --> 00:12:21

not destroy just

00:12:22 --> 00:12:23

a particular segment from,

00:12:24 --> 00:12:25

of the society.

00:12:26 --> 00:12:27

And we should

00:12:27 --> 00:12:29

the government in particular,

00:12:30 --> 00:12:33

the people in authority and empowered, the decision

00:12:33 --> 00:12:33

makers,

00:12:34 --> 00:12:36

they should find a formula

00:12:37 --> 00:12:39

to use this diversity

00:12:40 --> 00:12:41

in favor

00:12:41 --> 00:12:45

of the flourishment of other country, not to

00:12:45 --> 00:12:45

exploit

00:12:45 --> 00:12:46

on this

00:12:47 --> 00:12:47

diversity.

00:12:48 --> 00:12:48

Otherwise,

00:12:49 --> 00:12:49

the country

00:12:50 --> 00:12:52

wouldn't suffer. But, I mean, unfortunately,

00:12:52 --> 00:12:53

divide and rule

00:12:55 --> 00:12:56

Yeah.

00:12:57 --> 00:12:59

Yeah. You know, the

00:12:59 --> 00:13:02

divide and conquer. And these are, like, staples

00:13:02 --> 00:13:04

of power. Yeah. Yeah. And at the time,

00:13:04 --> 00:13:06

something about the genius of of Islam, the

00:13:06 --> 00:13:07

sharia, I've noticed,

00:13:08 --> 00:13:08

was that,

00:13:10 --> 00:13:11

you know,

00:13:11 --> 00:13:12

normally,

00:13:12 --> 00:13:13

powerful

00:13:14 --> 00:13:16

rulers or whatever, they want to separate people.

00:13:16 --> 00:13:18

Yeah. But the the prophet, salallahu alaihi wa

00:13:18 --> 00:13:19

sallam, when he entered Medina, the first thing

00:13:19 --> 00:13:21

he said is the first address. The part

00:13:21 --> 00:13:23

of it was Yes. Afshul Salaam.

00:13:23 --> 00:13:24

Are you Hanat?

00:13:26 --> 00:13:27

Yes.

00:13:27 --> 00:13:28

Exactly.

00:13:29 --> 00:13:31

Join the ties of kinship of your tribe,

00:13:31 --> 00:13:33

of your family, extended family. Yes. This is

00:13:33 --> 00:13:34

like the opposite of what

00:13:35 --> 00:13:37

emperors and even modern states try to do.

00:13:37 --> 00:13:39

They try to fragment society. Yes. They try

00:13:39 --> 00:13:42

to atomize. Yes. Hannah Arend, the political theorist

00:13:42 --> 00:13:43

family, she said

00:13:43 --> 00:13:46

atomization is a precursor for totalitarianism.

00:13:46 --> 00:13:48

Yes. You break up the bonds within the

00:13:48 --> 00:13:49

thing. But the prophet is

00:13:50 --> 00:13:52

going out of his way Yep.

00:13:53 --> 00:13:53

To

00:13:54 --> 00:13:56

say, no. Build those things. Almost as though

00:13:56 --> 00:13:59

you're building something that's gonna be a potential

00:13:59 --> 00:14:01

threat to the ruler himself. Power up to

00:14:01 --> 00:14:04

the power. Yeah. He's saying he knows

00:14:05 --> 00:14:07

that I might be the the just ruler

00:14:07 --> 00:14:09

today, but you need to build your society

00:14:09 --> 00:14:11

from the ground up so that tomorrow in

00:14:11 --> 00:14:13

a 100 is a 1000 years, someone who's

00:14:13 --> 00:14:14

not

00:14:15 --> 00:14:15

so merciful

00:14:16 --> 00:14:17

might be in charge, then what you're gonna

00:14:17 --> 00:14:19

do? You you won't have your

00:14:19 --> 00:14:21

You you know this hadith is so deep.

00:14:21 --> 00:14:23

Mhmm. Okay. Maybe No. You wrote a paper.

00:14:23 --> 00:14:25

Yeah. I wrote a paper about it. It

00:14:25 --> 00:14:28

is so deep. Even the first statement, Apsu

00:14:28 --> 00:14:30

Salam. Apsu Salam spread salaam

00:14:30 --> 00:14:31

for everyone.

00:14:32 --> 00:14:34

Okay? For everyone. So this The basic need

00:14:34 --> 00:14:38

of, exactly. Which is peace. Not only just

00:14:38 --> 00:14:38

peace.

00:14:39 --> 00:14:41

Yeah. Because this is you know, when they

00:14:41 --> 00:14:44

talk about Abraham Maslow in 1960 something, when

00:14:44 --> 00:14:46

he came up with the hierarchy of needs

00:14:46 --> 00:14:50

and everywhere was celebrating that, we came up

00:14:50 --> 00:14:50

with

00:14:51 --> 00:14:53

the true hierarchy of needs,

00:14:53 --> 00:14:55

more than 1,400

00:14:55 --> 00:14:59

years ago, and, and which is, first of

00:14:59 --> 00:15:00

all, peace,

00:15:00 --> 00:15:03

security within the society. But the prophet salallahu

00:15:03 --> 00:15:03

alayhi wasalam

00:15:04 --> 00:15:04

added

00:15:05 --> 00:15:08

one more dimension, which is what? Which is,

00:15:09 --> 00:15:11

not only peace, but also

00:15:11 --> 00:15:14

knowing each other. Because the salaam, spreading salaam

00:15:14 --> 00:15:16

helps each other

00:15:16 --> 00:15:17

helps

00:15:17 --> 00:15:21

ourselves to know each others. Okay? Yeah. And

00:15:21 --> 00:15:22

along with

00:15:23 --> 00:15:25

means feed.

00:15:25 --> 00:15:26

Okay.

00:15:26 --> 00:15:28

Feed. Provide food for everyone.

00:15:29 --> 00:15:31

Yeah. This also builds

00:15:31 --> 00:15:33

a very strong

00:15:33 --> 00:15:37

society, not just community, but society. Because the

00:15:37 --> 00:15:37

prophet

00:15:38 --> 00:15:38

said,

00:15:39 --> 00:15:41

and he knows that the people in Medina

00:15:42 --> 00:15:45

Medina is a multi faith, multicultural

00:15:46 --> 00:15:49

society multicultural society at that time. So the

00:15:49 --> 00:15:50

prophet want

00:15:50 --> 00:15:51

or wanted

00:15:52 --> 00:15:54

everyone to practice this, Muslims,

00:15:54 --> 00:15:55

Jewish people,

00:15:55 --> 00:15:59

Christians, and there were atheists as well in

00:15:59 --> 00:16:02

in in, in Medina. So, this is this

00:16:02 --> 00:16:06

is so significant, and that's why we, Muslims,

00:16:06 --> 00:16:07

we need to

00:16:08 --> 00:16:10

find a way. Maybe there are

00:16:11 --> 00:16:14

some elements within the government decision makers,

00:16:16 --> 00:16:16

the authority.

00:16:17 --> 00:16:20

They are in favor of divide and rule.

00:16:20 --> 00:16:23

We, as Muslims, are facing this bigger challenge

00:16:24 --> 00:16:26

not to allow this to be a policy

00:16:26 --> 00:16:28

that governs our country.

00:16:29 --> 00:16:30

We should find

00:16:30 --> 00:16:33

and think out of the box of finding

00:16:33 --> 00:16:34

some ways

00:16:35 --> 00:16:38

to to stop this or to eliminate it

00:16:38 --> 00:16:41

if it is there, yeah, and to replace

00:16:41 --> 00:16:42

it with another formula

00:16:43 --> 00:16:46

that is as close as to Islam. And

00:16:46 --> 00:16:48

here, by the way, you know, I know

00:16:48 --> 00:16:49

this is a big

00:16:50 --> 00:16:52

it is a big challenge because,

00:16:53 --> 00:16:55

you know, fighting racism,

00:16:56 --> 00:16:58

you know, and the, you know, the problem

00:16:58 --> 00:17:01

of minorities in any country is a big

00:17:01 --> 00:17:04

problem. And in social politics, they consider this

00:17:04 --> 00:17:06

as one of the big challenges that is

00:17:06 --> 00:17:08

facing any any system,

00:17:09 --> 00:17:12

minorities, and how to deal with minor minorities.

00:17:12 --> 00:17:15

Because minorities, by nature, they like to be

00:17:15 --> 00:17:18

clustered. They like to, you know, be insular

00:17:18 --> 00:17:21

to a certain degree in order to protect

00:17:21 --> 00:17:21

themselves.

00:17:22 --> 00:17:25

Yeah. And this is an example. You know,

00:17:25 --> 00:17:26

these riots,

00:17:28 --> 00:17:30

okay, we we don't want to go through

00:17:30 --> 00:17:31

the conspiracy

00:17:33 --> 00:17:33

road

00:17:33 --> 00:17:36

by saying that they want to be they

00:17:36 --> 00:17:38

want us to be ancillary. They want us

00:17:38 --> 00:17:38

to,

00:17:39 --> 00:17:40

be

00:17:40 --> 00:17:41

isolated.

00:17:42 --> 00:17:45

I don't think so. Yeah. And even if

00:17:45 --> 00:17:47

that was an agenda, we should not allow

00:17:47 --> 00:17:48

this to happen.

00:17:49 --> 00:17:51

Yeah. So what I was saying is that,

00:17:53 --> 00:17:55

the treating minorities

00:17:55 --> 00:17:58

in any society is a challenge for the

00:17:58 --> 00:18:00

society, for the system.

00:18:00 --> 00:18:01

And

00:18:02 --> 00:18:04

most countries, you know, when they talk about

00:18:05 --> 00:18:06

secularism, secularism

00:18:06 --> 00:18:09

in many countries failed in India, which is

00:18:09 --> 00:18:12

the big secular slash democratic

00:18:12 --> 00:18:16

country failed miserably in many situations and many

00:18:16 --> 00:18:16

other.

00:18:17 --> 00:18:19

And in America even, you know, sometimes

00:18:20 --> 00:18:23

we see looting and we see riots. Here

00:18:23 --> 00:18:26

in Britain, we see segments of the society

00:18:26 --> 00:18:28

are doing that. Yeah. So,

00:18:30 --> 00:18:32

the absence of the Islamic

00:18:32 --> 00:18:33

system, the absence

00:18:34 --> 00:18:38

of the Islamic even spirit Or ethos. Or

00:18:38 --> 00:18:38

ethos,

00:18:39 --> 00:18:42

yeah, or adopting some Islamic solutions,

00:18:42 --> 00:18:45

is not there. The adaptation of Islamic solutions,

00:18:46 --> 00:18:49

is not there. So that's why we, as

00:18:49 --> 00:18:52

Muslims, should expect this to happen. And this

00:18:52 --> 00:18:55

is my other point, that we as Muslims

00:18:55 --> 00:18:57

should expect this to happen,

00:18:58 --> 00:18:58

regularly,

00:18:59 --> 00:18:59

frequently,

00:19:00 --> 00:19:01

and we should,

00:19:02 --> 00:19:05

put we should really think about solutions

00:19:05 --> 00:19:08

for dealing with this problem. No. And at

00:19:08 --> 00:19:10

the end of the the the during the

00:19:10 --> 00:19:11

election time, I was thinking, you know,

00:19:12 --> 00:19:15

maybe this hadith, hadith of salam Yeah. Could

00:19:15 --> 00:19:17

be, like, the the the basis for, a

00:19:17 --> 00:19:20

political theory for Muslims in in the in

00:19:20 --> 00:19:22

the west. It it is. It is. It

00:19:22 --> 00:19:24

is. It is. Yeah. It is it is

00:19:24 --> 00:19:26

a foundation of our political philosophy.

00:19:27 --> 00:19:29

What do what do we want

00:19:29 --> 00:19:32

for ourselves, for society? Because also people because

00:19:32 --> 00:19:33

of the

00:19:33 --> 00:19:35

the the lens of suspicion,

00:19:35 --> 00:19:36

the,

00:19:37 --> 00:19:39

the problem at the pathologization

00:19:40 --> 00:19:42

of the Muslim mind with things like prevent

00:19:42 --> 00:19:43

and counterterrorism and extremism and

00:19:44 --> 00:19:46

Islamophobia and racism and stuff. Yeah. There's lots

00:19:46 --> 00:19:49

of people who are kind of uneasy about

00:19:49 --> 00:19:50

Muslims. What do they want? Yeah. They're growing.

00:19:50 --> 00:19:52

They have so many kids there. The Muslim

00:19:52 --> 00:19:55

vote campaign, all this fear mongering and stuff

00:19:55 --> 00:19:57

Yeah. Which obviously, it it feeds into these

00:19:57 --> 00:19:59

the the the these eruptions of violence. I

00:19:59 --> 00:20:01

agree. So that could be one of the

00:20:01 --> 00:20:03

things that we say, hey, we present here.

00:20:03 --> 00:20:04

Here is our

00:20:04 --> 00:20:04

manifestos,

00:20:05 --> 00:20:07

so to speak. This is what we want.

00:20:07 --> 00:20:07

We want

00:20:08 --> 00:20:09

security, safety,

00:20:10 --> 00:20:11

economic prosperity

00:20:11 --> 00:20:13

across For everyone. People. For everyone.

00:20:13 --> 00:20:14

We want to,

00:20:14 --> 00:20:15

you know,

00:20:15 --> 00:20:17

join ties of kinship Yeah. Join ties

00:20:18 --> 00:20:20

of community Yeah. And provide a space for

00:20:20 --> 00:20:24

Yeah. For and for. Exactly. This is this

00:20:24 --> 00:20:26

is actually these are the elements,

00:20:26 --> 00:20:27

on which,

00:20:28 --> 00:20:29

the Islamic

00:20:30 --> 00:20:31

civilization

00:20:31 --> 00:20:32

is built on.

00:20:32 --> 00:20:36

These are the main requirements for, quote unquote,

00:20:37 --> 00:20:39

Islamic state. Yeah. And by the way, I

00:20:39 --> 00:20:41

mentioned, anyway, we don't want to be, you

00:20:42 --> 00:20:44

know, that rest here. I mentioned that the

00:20:44 --> 00:20:45

brothers, you know,

00:20:46 --> 00:20:49

you know, the young brothers when we're they

00:20:49 --> 00:20:52

were chanting, Sharia, Sharia, Sharia. I said to

00:20:52 --> 00:20:53

them, brothers, you need to understand what does

00:20:53 --> 00:20:56

Sharia mean. Look at the hadith of the

00:20:56 --> 00:20:56

prophet

00:20:57 --> 00:20:59

and what were the first requirements,

00:21:00 --> 00:21:02

his manifesto to establish

00:21:03 --> 00:21:05

the first Islamic state of Medina. He did

00:21:05 --> 00:21:07

not say, and I

00:21:07 --> 00:21:08

I will apply

00:21:09 --> 00:21:12

the hudood and, you know, the the prohibition

00:21:12 --> 00:21:13

of reba, etcetera,

00:21:14 --> 00:21:15

just from the beginning

00:21:15 --> 00:21:16

because

00:21:17 --> 00:21:20

Sharia is wider than this. This is actually

00:21:20 --> 00:21:22

Sharia. Yeah? And these elements, we are not

00:21:22 --> 00:21:24

denying them that they are part of Sharia,

00:21:24 --> 00:21:27

but they are maybe a small segment of

00:21:27 --> 00:21:29

Sharia, and they have their own place. Anyway

00:21:30 --> 00:21:31

but back to,

00:21:33 --> 00:21:34

you know, what

00:21:34 --> 00:21:37

you are saying. I would like also to,

00:21:37 --> 00:21:38

you know,

00:21:39 --> 00:21:42

present or forward an advice for the Muslim

00:21:42 --> 00:21:43

community.

00:21:43 --> 00:21:45

Never ever, even if we are targeted,

00:21:46 --> 00:21:47

don't feel victimized.

00:21:49 --> 00:21:51

Yeah. Don't feel victimized.

00:21:51 --> 00:21:54

If you live with this mentality that you

00:21:54 --> 00:21:54

are

00:21:55 --> 00:21:55

victims,

00:21:56 --> 00:21:57

you are targeted,

00:21:58 --> 00:21:59

you are weak, you are

00:22:00 --> 00:22:01

a minority,

00:22:02 --> 00:22:02

etcetera,

00:22:03 --> 00:22:04

you will never flourish.

00:22:06 --> 00:22:08

And look That goes to one of the

00:22:08 --> 00:22:09

questions that came in. We were we were

00:22:09 --> 00:22:11

asking for one of the questions that you

00:22:11 --> 00:22:13

wanna put to Sheikh Islam the Masha'ik about

00:22:13 --> 00:22:16

what's happening. Yeah. And one is, should we

00:22:16 --> 00:22:18

hide our Muslimness in public? Should we stay

00:22:18 --> 00:22:21

at home? Should we Yeah. Yeah. We should

00:22:21 --> 00:22:21

do not,

00:22:22 --> 00:22:25

you know, under any circumstance, behave like this.

00:22:26 --> 00:22:27

Maybe

00:22:27 --> 00:22:30

individual cases maybe can have different rulings,

00:22:31 --> 00:22:33

okay, but that should not be As a

00:22:33 --> 00:22:36

general policy. Exactly. Yeah. That should not be

00:22:36 --> 00:22:36

the rule

00:22:37 --> 00:22:38

or the norm.

00:22:38 --> 00:22:42

And look, even Muslims when they were prosecuted

00:22:42 --> 00:22:45

in Mecca, they did not behave like this.

00:22:45 --> 00:22:46

Even when

00:22:46 --> 00:22:48

Khabab, Ibn al Arab came to the prophet

00:22:48 --> 00:22:50

sallallahu alaihi wasallam, the very famous hadith in

00:22:50 --> 00:22:53

Sayyid Abu Khali, and he said, yeah, Rasulullah,

00:22:53 --> 00:22:55

look at what they are doing to us.

00:22:55 --> 00:22:57

You know, they are prosecuting us. They are

00:22:57 --> 00:23:01

torturing us, etcetera, etcetera. The prophet sallallahu alaihi

00:23:01 --> 00:23:02

wasallam

00:23:03 --> 00:23:03

did

00:23:04 --> 00:23:05

not sympathize

00:23:07 --> 00:23:08

with the companions

00:23:08 --> 00:23:09

despite,

00:23:10 --> 00:23:11

you know, he knows that,

00:23:12 --> 00:23:14

Somalia was killed and

00:23:15 --> 00:23:17

Khabab al Munawla Arak is tortured, and he

00:23:17 --> 00:23:18

witnessed,

00:23:18 --> 00:23:21

Bilal when he was tortured. He tried to

00:23:21 --> 00:23:22

defend them of solutions,

00:23:23 --> 00:23:25

but he did not use this as a

00:23:25 --> 00:23:26

basis

00:23:26 --> 00:23:29

for the mindset or building the mindset of

00:23:29 --> 00:23:30

the Muslim community.

00:23:31 --> 00:23:32

In fact, the prophet

00:23:33 --> 00:23:34

showed them the vision

00:23:34 --> 00:23:36

that Gave them a victorious

00:23:37 --> 00:23:37

Mindset.

00:23:38 --> 00:23:38

Mindset.

00:23:39 --> 00:23:43

Yeah. Victorious narrative that will build the right

00:23:43 --> 00:23:43

9

00:23:44 --> 00:23:45

mindset. And that's why the Quran

00:23:46 --> 00:23:48

yeah. The Quran never

00:23:48 --> 00:23:49

spoke about Muslims

00:23:50 --> 00:23:52

when they are in a situation

00:23:52 --> 00:23:53

of

00:23:53 --> 00:23:54

weakness

00:23:54 --> 00:23:56

in a way to accept that.

00:23:57 --> 00:23:58

The the Quran doesn't want,

00:24:00 --> 00:24:03

Muslims to accept that they are a minority

00:24:03 --> 00:24:04

and weak.

00:24:05 --> 00:24:07

That's why So it does does mention stories

00:24:07 --> 00:24:10

of minorities of Muslims that were killed or

00:24:10 --> 00:24:11

tortured. No? Yeah.

00:24:13 --> 00:24:17

Those who cannot, they don't have any other

00:24:17 --> 00:24:19

evidence. Or like the the people of the

00:24:19 --> 00:24:20

the ditch

00:24:20 --> 00:24:21

or.

00:24:22 --> 00:24:23

Yeah. But

00:24:23 --> 00:24:25

but yeah. So the way the Quran spoke

00:24:25 --> 00:24:29

about them is not that the, Quran accepting

00:24:29 --> 00:24:32

their weaknesses, and they have to live with

00:24:32 --> 00:24:32

it.

00:24:33 --> 00:24:35

Live. Okay. This is my point. To live

00:24:35 --> 00:24:38

as a minority, to live as a a

00:24:38 --> 00:24:38

subjugated

00:24:39 --> 00:24:42

community. The Quran never accepted that. Yeah. In

00:24:42 --> 00:24:42

fact,

00:24:43 --> 00:24:45

even if someone were to interpret

00:24:45 --> 00:24:48

those verses like this, we say look at

00:24:48 --> 00:24:50

the overall message of the Quran.

00:24:50 --> 00:24:52

The overall message of the Quran is a

00:24:52 --> 00:24:53

message of empowerment.

00:24:53 --> 00:24:55

It is a message of strength.

00:25:02 --> 00:25:04

Don't be saddened. Don't show weaknesses

00:25:04 --> 00:25:07

because you are superior as far as you

00:25:07 --> 00:25:08

are Muslim.

00:25:08 --> 00:25:09

And

00:25:09 --> 00:25:12

my point here, the Muslim community and the

00:25:12 --> 00:25:12

imams

00:25:13 --> 00:25:15

should make sure that this is the message

00:25:16 --> 00:25:17

that we have.

00:25:17 --> 00:25:19

This leads me to another point, which is,

00:25:19 --> 00:25:22

you know, just because of time. You know?

00:25:23 --> 00:25:26

We should always display that we are strong.

00:25:27 --> 00:25:28

Yeah.

00:25:28 --> 00:25:30

However, we need to

00:25:31 --> 00:25:33

act in a civilized way.

00:25:34 --> 00:25:36

So there is now we need to maintain

00:25:36 --> 00:25:37

that balance.

00:25:38 --> 00:25:41

We are strong. We are not coward. We

00:25:41 --> 00:25:44

are not subjugated. We don't accept to be

00:25:44 --> 00:25:44

subjugated.

00:25:45 --> 00:25:45

Yes.

00:25:46 --> 00:25:46

On

00:25:46 --> 00:25:49

the mean in the in the mean in

00:25:49 --> 00:25:49

the meantime,

00:25:50 --> 00:25:51

we

00:25:51 --> 00:25:52

are

00:25:52 --> 00:25:54

behaving in a civilized way.

00:25:55 --> 00:25:57

We don't want to break the law because

00:25:58 --> 00:26:00

breaking the law has many consequences.

00:26:01 --> 00:26:03

You know, in the riots during the Bradford

00:26:04 --> 00:26:05

riots and in 2001,

00:26:06 --> 00:26:07

2, 3,

00:26:08 --> 00:26:11

many brothers, innocent brothers, they were done for

00:26:11 --> 00:26:13

10, 15 years in prison.

00:26:14 --> 00:26:16

Yeah, which is which was a disaster. This

00:26:16 --> 00:26:19

is this is a disaster, but the other

00:26:19 --> 00:26:22

thing is we are so keen to maintain

00:26:23 --> 00:26:24

peace in any society

00:26:25 --> 00:26:27

we live in, in any country we live

00:26:27 --> 00:26:30

in. Yeah? Because this is just the basic

00:26:30 --> 00:26:33

requirement, as we said, for all human beings.

00:26:33 --> 00:26:36

So we should strike that balance.

00:26:37 --> 00:26:38

Yes?

00:26:38 --> 00:26:41

And we say to our brothers, masha'Allah, those

00:26:41 --> 00:26:44

who came to defend themselves and displaying kind

00:26:44 --> 00:26:45

of strength,

00:26:45 --> 00:26:48

do it, but in a civilized way. And

00:26:48 --> 00:26:49

don't do it

00:26:49 --> 00:26:51

in a way that people will,

00:26:52 --> 00:26:56

use this to label you as savage people,

00:26:56 --> 00:26:58

barbaric people, and maybe,

00:26:59 --> 00:26:59

like some newspapers,

00:27:00 --> 00:27:02

they put some of the images of those

00:27:02 --> 00:27:05

brothers when they were wearing mask and chanting

00:27:05 --> 00:27:09

Allahu Akbar with some of the ISIS images.

00:27:09 --> 00:27:12

Yeah. We don't want this false association. We

00:27:12 --> 00:27:15

don't want the word Allahu Akbar to be

00:27:15 --> 00:27:15

misused

00:27:16 --> 00:27:18

and to be a slogan for

00:27:19 --> 00:27:20

for So that was another one of the

00:27:20 --> 00:27:23

questions came in. Should Muslims defend themselves

00:27:24 --> 00:27:26

and their communities and So, yeah. What's your

00:27:26 --> 00:27:29

advice? First of all, we need, as I

00:27:29 --> 00:27:31

said, we need to display strength and power

00:27:31 --> 00:27:34

and resilience, and we are not coward.

00:27:34 --> 00:27:37

We need to be smart how to display

00:27:37 --> 00:27:37

this.

00:27:38 --> 00:27:40

And in the meantime, we need to show

00:27:40 --> 00:27:41

our

00:27:41 --> 00:27:42

superiority

00:27:42 --> 00:27:43

in akhlaq.

00:27:44 --> 00:27:47

Yeah. This is so important that we are,

00:27:48 --> 00:27:51

okay, ethical people. We behave in a very

00:27:51 --> 00:27:55

civilized way. This is stereotyping about Muslims,

00:27:55 --> 00:27:56

the negative stereotyping

00:27:57 --> 00:27:59

about Muslims, that they behave in this reckless

00:27:59 --> 00:28:00

way, etcetera etcetera.

00:28:01 --> 00:28:02

We should,

00:28:02 --> 00:28:05

replace it with the opposite

00:28:05 --> 00:28:08

image, which is the true image. Now in

00:28:08 --> 00:28:09

some circumstances,

00:28:10 --> 00:28:11

Muslims,

00:28:11 --> 00:28:14

when they were, if they are attacked, they

00:28:14 --> 00:28:16

should defend themselves, and I think the law

00:28:16 --> 00:28:18

even allows

00:28:18 --> 00:28:20

this. But they, again, they should be smart

00:28:20 --> 00:28:23

the way they defend themselves.

00:28:24 --> 00:28:24

And

00:28:24 --> 00:28:27

I want to add one point, which is,

00:28:27 --> 00:28:28

let us

00:28:29 --> 00:28:29

not

00:28:30 --> 00:28:31

think

00:28:31 --> 00:28:32

of,

00:28:32 --> 00:28:34

the defensive mode all the time.

00:28:35 --> 00:28:36

Okay. Let us come

00:28:37 --> 00:28:38

with initiatives.

00:28:39 --> 00:28:40

Yeah. That,

00:28:41 --> 00:28:43

that do not put us in the defensive

00:28:44 --> 00:28:44

box.

00:28:45 --> 00:28:45

Initiatives

00:28:46 --> 00:28:49

maybe in engaging with so many of those

00:28:49 --> 00:28:50

people. Yeah.

00:28:51 --> 00:28:54

The the far right or other people,

00:28:54 --> 00:28:55

Because remember,

00:28:56 --> 00:28:59

some of them, they are sincere. They want

00:28:59 --> 00:29:02

to defend them, their children, and they were

00:29:02 --> 00:29:05

maybe brainwashed by some media outlet, social media,

00:29:06 --> 00:29:06

wrong,

00:29:07 --> 00:29:09

you know, wrong information, etcetera.

00:29:10 --> 00:29:13

So we need to be to engage

00:29:13 --> 00:29:15

with them, and,

00:29:15 --> 00:29:16

you know, engaging

00:29:17 --> 00:29:18

with them in this

00:29:19 --> 00:29:19

shows,

00:29:20 --> 00:29:21

bravery,

00:29:21 --> 00:29:22

shows

00:29:22 --> 00:29:23

confidence.

00:29:23 --> 00:29:27

Yeah? And, it in fact, it empowers us.

00:29:28 --> 00:29:30

And that's why we need to change the

00:29:30 --> 00:29:32

a bit of,

00:29:32 --> 00:29:35

strength and confidence to do, though, because otherwise,

00:29:35 --> 00:29:37

people will see that. And if they don't

00:29:37 --> 00:29:40

have that that comfort in their skin as

00:29:40 --> 00:29:40

Muslims,

00:29:41 --> 00:29:43

they will feel why why are you, you

00:29:43 --> 00:29:44

know, letting them

00:29:45 --> 00:29:46

to the masjid? Why are you selling out?

00:29:46 --> 00:29:48

Why are you, you know, inviting them in?

00:29:48 --> 00:29:50

And they'll feel like, you know, you've taken

00:29:50 --> 00:29:53

a weak position. Yeah. I I agree. That's

00:29:53 --> 00:29:54

why we need to do it in a

00:29:54 --> 00:29:56

clever way not to be seen like

00:29:56 --> 00:29:59

this, either by Muslims or non Muslims. Mhmm.

00:29:59 --> 00:30:01

Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. So what what else is

00:30:01 --> 00:30:03

your advice to the the Muslim community then?

00:30:03 --> 00:30:05

Yeah. So so we need,

00:30:06 --> 00:30:09

to defend themselves. Defending themselves within the law.

00:30:09 --> 00:30:09

Yes.

00:30:10 --> 00:30:12

Don't don't hide your Muslimness. Don't be less

00:30:12 --> 00:30:15

visible as Muslim apart from, obviously, if there's

00:30:15 --> 00:30:17

a specific case here there. Yeah. Generally speaking

00:30:17 --> 00:30:19

as a policy Yeah. Don't try and don't

00:30:19 --> 00:30:21

be less visible to try and Exactly. Try

00:30:21 --> 00:30:23

and use this opportunity to give.

00:30:24 --> 00:30:27

Mhmm. Yeah? To the wider society by our

00:30:27 --> 00:30:29

behavior, by your behavior as a Muslim that

00:30:29 --> 00:30:30

you are not

00:30:31 --> 00:30:32

acting in this reckless,

00:30:33 --> 00:30:34

you know,

00:30:34 --> 00:30:35

savage way.

00:30:36 --> 00:30:38

Yeah. So use this opportunity

00:30:39 --> 00:30:40

to give dawah. And maybe

00:30:41 --> 00:30:43

maybe in some other areas, Muslims can

00:30:44 --> 00:30:44

display

00:30:45 --> 00:30:45

themselves,

00:30:46 --> 00:30:49

okay, in a civilized way, and maybe they

00:30:49 --> 00:30:49

can,

00:30:50 --> 00:30:51

help the situation.

00:30:52 --> 00:30:55

And that's why I always say that wherever

00:30:55 --> 00:30:58

whenever or wherever we reside as Muslims,

00:30:58 --> 00:31:01

we should provide some activities for the whole

00:31:01 --> 00:31:01

society.

00:31:02 --> 00:31:04

From, you know, I was talking to a

00:31:04 --> 00:31:05

brother

00:31:05 --> 00:31:09

just today after Fajr about the cleanliness of

00:31:09 --> 00:31:11

our area, that we need to do something

00:31:11 --> 00:31:12

to clean

00:31:12 --> 00:31:15

our area and to provide some other services.

00:31:15 --> 00:31:17

We need to come out.

00:31:17 --> 00:31:19

We should not

00:31:19 --> 00:31:22

live in a comfort zone or a bubble.

00:31:23 --> 00:31:23

That

00:31:24 --> 00:31:26

is not conducive for our flourishment

00:31:26 --> 00:31:27

as,

00:31:27 --> 00:31:29

as a Muslim community. Hashem, all of these

00:31:29 --> 00:31:30

things, don't they

00:31:31 --> 00:31:31

require

00:31:32 --> 00:31:33

Muslims to be

00:31:33 --> 00:31:36

more organized and have some strategic direction from

00:31:36 --> 00:31:38

imagine a young person listening.

00:31:38 --> 00:31:40

He wants to be he wants to defend

00:31:40 --> 00:31:42

his community. He wants to defend his street,

00:31:42 --> 00:31:45

whatever. Yeah. Some far right thugs or whatever

00:31:45 --> 00:31:46

are burning down a library or Yeah. A

00:31:46 --> 00:31:49

police station. He wants to do something. Yeah.

00:31:49 --> 00:31:49

But

00:31:50 --> 00:31:52

where are the Muslim leaders giving authority? This

00:31:52 --> 00:31:55

is true. This is true. So that's why

00:31:55 --> 00:31:58

this is a message to our imams and

00:31:58 --> 00:32:00

our leaders to maybe

00:32:00 --> 00:32:03

use this content, and I know that some

00:32:03 --> 00:32:04

other,

00:32:05 --> 00:32:07

some other statements were produced

00:32:07 --> 00:32:10

by, you know, different imams and and different,

00:32:10 --> 00:32:13

you know, groups of imams and organizations.

00:32:13 --> 00:32:14

And although

00:32:15 --> 00:32:17

many of them, they did not focus on

00:32:18 --> 00:32:19

the proactive

00:32:19 --> 00:32:20

measures. They

00:32:20 --> 00:32:23

focused on very active measures. Okay. But let

00:32:23 --> 00:32:27

us focus on the proactive measures. And

00:32:27 --> 00:32:30

as imams, we should give our community

00:32:30 --> 00:32:31

some ideas

00:32:31 --> 00:32:33

of what they can

00:32:33 --> 00:32:36

do. Yeah. Instead of focusing

00:32:37 --> 00:32:38

the the language in,

00:32:38 --> 00:32:41

I prayed in 2 mosques or 3 mosques.

00:32:41 --> 00:32:43

The language that has been fostered

00:32:43 --> 00:32:47

so far is, okay, sisters, be vigilant.

00:32:47 --> 00:32:48

Okay. Scaremongering.

00:32:49 --> 00:32:50

Mhmm. You know, messages.

00:32:50 --> 00:32:52

Sisters. Okay? And lots of people are sending

00:32:52 --> 00:32:54

around messages. Be careful of the this area,

00:32:54 --> 00:32:56

that area. They're coming here. They're coming here.

00:32:56 --> 00:32:58

We we we I I don't think we

00:32:58 --> 00:33:00

should, you know,

00:33:00 --> 00:33:02

circulate those messages. I'm going for a walk

00:33:02 --> 00:33:04

the other day, and my wife was saying,

00:33:04 --> 00:33:05

you know, take my take your son with

00:33:05 --> 00:33:07

you, take your son, you know. So he

00:33:07 --> 00:33:08

has few people. Yeah. I was like, what

00:33:08 --> 00:33:09

are you talking about? I'm just going to

00:33:09 --> 00:33:11

a park. She's like, no. No. Take care

00:33:11 --> 00:33:11

of them.

00:33:11 --> 00:33:13

And then I saw, like, just

00:33:13 --> 00:33:16

like, hijabi sisters walking around pushing their push

00:33:16 --> 00:33:18

chairs in the back. Yes. Yeah. You know?

00:33:18 --> 00:33:19

I don't know if they didn't see the

00:33:19 --> 00:33:21

deal. So we we should not We sometimes

00:33:21 --> 00:33:22

we kind of all Internalize.

00:33:23 --> 00:33:26

Internal yeah. We kind of, Yeah. Yeah. And

00:33:26 --> 00:33:28

and and and, you know, creating

00:33:29 --> 00:33:30

by ourselves

00:33:31 --> 00:33:32

an an utmost

00:33:32 --> 00:33:33

fear of fear.

00:33:34 --> 00:33:36

We we really need to be careful about

00:33:36 --> 00:33:36

that.

00:33:37 --> 00:33:40

Yeah. So Muslims should come out and should

00:33:40 --> 00:33:41

use this opportunity

00:33:42 --> 00:33:43

to give dawah.

00:33:44 --> 00:33:44

They

00:33:45 --> 00:33:47

should which is a key point, which we

00:33:47 --> 00:33:49

should use this opportunity

00:33:50 --> 00:33:51

to present some intellectual

00:33:52 --> 00:33:53

solutions for

00:33:53 --> 00:33:56

the problems we are facing in the UK.

00:33:57 --> 00:34:01

Okay? Whether the the racism problem, whether the

00:34:01 --> 00:34:02

multi multiculturalism,

00:34:03 --> 00:34:05

issue or question

00:34:06 --> 00:34:07

poverty,

00:34:10 --> 00:34:11

and education,

00:34:12 --> 00:34:14

etcetera etcetera. And

00:34:14 --> 00:34:17

we should present that. We should also take

00:34:17 --> 00:34:18

this as an opportunity

00:34:19 --> 00:34:19

to say that,

00:34:20 --> 00:34:21

look, whenever

00:34:21 --> 00:34:22

we are,

00:34:23 --> 00:34:25

whenever some Muslims commit a crime,

00:34:26 --> 00:34:27

immediately we condemn.

00:34:27 --> 00:34:30

And then you start or the government,

00:34:31 --> 00:34:35

they start attacking our madrassas, the Islamic educational

00:34:35 --> 00:34:36

system, the masajid,

00:34:37 --> 00:34:39

that these are the places that foster

00:34:40 --> 00:34:41

and that radicalize

00:34:42 --> 00:34:44

those people. We didn't see,

00:34:45 --> 00:34:47

I was following the news,

00:34:47 --> 00:34:48

and there was no

00:34:49 --> 00:34:51

as far as I have read, there was

00:34:51 --> 00:34:52

no question of,

00:34:54 --> 00:34:55

who radicalized

00:34:55 --> 00:34:56

those people.

00:34:57 --> 00:34:59

Yeah? Because the people are would that would

00:34:59 --> 00:35:01

answer the question would be pointing at themselves.

00:35:01 --> 00:35:04

Exactly. Yes. Okay. It is the system

00:35:04 --> 00:35:06

or maybe elements of the system or fact

00:35:06 --> 00:35:08

of a fractions of their system.

00:35:09 --> 00:35:09

Who radicalized

00:35:10 --> 00:35:12

those people? What are their we need to

00:35:12 --> 00:35:13

be honest.

00:35:13 --> 00:35:16

Okay. Because really, well, it is very embarrassing.

00:35:16 --> 00:35:18

You know, some of the messages I received

00:35:19 --> 00:35:22

from my brothers abroad and and some other

00:35:22 --> 00:35:22

friends.

00:35:23 --> 00:35:25

They they were, you know, sending me some

00:35:25 --> 00:35:26

video clips,

00:35:26 --> 00:35:28

and, well, why it's very embarrassing to say

00:35:28 --> 00:35:31

that this is our, you know, country,

00:35:31 --> 00:35:33

and this is our, you know, people are

00:35:33 --> 00:35:36

doing this. Yeah? And even some of them,

00:35:36 --> 00:35:38

they said, I was considering coming to the

00:35:38 --> 00:35:39

UK

00:35:39 --> 00:35:41

for a holiday. I'm not coming to that.

00:35:41 --> 00:35:43

Look at these people. I cannot

00:35:43 --> 00:35:45

trust. Maybe I will walk next to a

00:35:45 --> 00:35:47

white person. I don't know how what kind

00:35:47 --> 00:35:50

of hatred he has for me. I was

00:35:50 --> 00:35:52

saying, no. Calm down. Calm down. We have

00:35:52 --> 00:35:55

seen so many, you know, white indigenous, as

00:35:55 --> 00:35:58

they say, okay, marching for Muslims, etcetera.

00:35:58 --> 00:36:00

But it is

00:36:01 --> 00:36:02

the the

00:36:02 --> 00:36:05

the people in power and decision

00:36:05 --> 00:36:06

makers,

00:36:07 --> 00:36:10

they really need to look at this deeply,

00:36:10 --> 00:36:13

and they need to be honest with themselves

00:36:13 --> 00:36:14

because this is

00:36:14 --> 00:36:16

And this will be held to account?

00:36:16 --> 00:36:18

Yes. But I mean,

00:36:18 --> 00:36:20

let us this held to account is one

00:36:20 --> 00:36:21

thing, but also

00:36:22 --> 00:36:23

they should be sincere

00:36:24 --> 00:36:26

in analyzing the situation,

00:36:26 --> 00:36:28

okay, and finding solutions

00:36:29 --> 00:36:31

for, you know if they were

00:36:32 --> 00:36:34

really worried about interested in solutions. Exactly. If

00:36:34 --> 00:36:37

they are interested in solutions, if they have

00:36:37 --> 00:36:39

interest for the welfare of

00:36:39 --> 00:36:42

our country, their country, as they always say

00:36:42 --> 00:36:44

that this is our country. Okay? So what

00:36:44 --> 00:36:46

kind of solutions you are presenting

00:36:46 --> 00:36:47

to preserve

00:36:48 --> 00:36:50

the country, because even it is affecting

00:36:50 --> 00:36:51

economy.

00:36:51 --> 00:36:54

Imagine if these civil, you know,

00:36:54 --> 00:36:55

riots

00:36:57 --> 00:36:58

were to expand.

00:36:59 --> 00:37:01

Mhmm. Yeah? Of course, this will affect

00:37:02 --> 00:37:04

tourism because it is, you know, summer time.

00:37:05 --> 00:37:07

Yeah. It will affect even business. People will

00:37:07 --> 00:37:09

not be interested in doing business,

00:37:10 --> 00:37:13

open shops, etcetera, etcetera. Mhmm. Yeah.

00:37:14 --> 00:37:14

So,

00:37:15 --> 00:37:17

I mean, I would like to carry on

00:37:17 --> 00:37:18

talking, but it was just a a quick

00:37:18 --> 00:37:20

short, you know, thing we wanted to do

00:37:20 --> 00:37:22

to get some of the questions people have

00:37:22 --> 00:37:23

been asking.

00:37:24 --> 00:37:26

If they just finish this question,

00:37:27 --> 00:37:30

if there's one thing people should remember from

00:37:30 --> 00:37:32

this podcast, it should be

00:37:32 --> 00:37:33

Yep.

00:37:34 --> 00:37:36

Have to work, Al Allah. Mhmm. Yeah.

00:37:37 --> 00:37:39

Be with Allah all the time. As a

00:37:39 --> 00:37:39

Muslim,

00:37:40 --> 00:37:41

display your Islam.

00:37:42 --> 00:37:44

Take any challenge as an opportunity

00:37:45 --> 00:37:45

for

00:37:46 --> 00:37:48

Dahua in its wider

00:37:48 --> 00:37:49

perspective.

00:37:49 --> 00:37:52

Yeah. Not just a narrow perspective.

00:37:52 --> 00:37:54

We need to be more

00:37:54 --> 00:37:55

engaged

00:37:55 --> 00:37:56

on different

00:37:57 --> 00:37:57

levels.

00:37:58 --> 00:37:58

Yeah?

00:37:59 --> 00:38:00

And don't,

00:38:01 --> 00:38:03

think don't accept to be

00:38:04 --> 00:38:04

victimized.

00:38:05 --> 00:38:06

Yeah.

00:38:07 --> 00:38:08

For joining.

00:38:09 --> 00:38:11

To you, for watching. If you like this

00:38:11 --> 00:38:12

podcast, give a like and a share as

00:38:12 --> 00:38:15

usual, and subscribe wherever you're listening or watching

00:38:15 --> 00:38:17

this podcast. Until next time. Assalamu Alaikum.

Share Page