Hacene Chebbani – Screening Shares In The Stock Market

Hacene Chebbani

Screening Of The Shares In The Stock Market By Sh Hacene Chebbani

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The speakers emphasize the importance of sharia compliance, the use of Sharia indexes, and partnership and accountability in the Islam world. They stress the need for sharia compliance, the challenges facing Islamic finance, and the importance of investing in markets and businesses. They also address the challenges faced by Islamic finance, including lack of integrity and honesty, inflation, and the need for people to use solar panels for color. The conversation touches on the complicated nature of the financial system and the potential for investment opportunities, including the index method and the benefits of credit cards.

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			Pandit
		
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			salatu salam ala Shafi musashino Medallia It was obvious, right?
		
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			So as as promised before, we'll be talking to 90 Sharla about Sharia a screening of shares in the
stock market.
		
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			Basically, we'll be talking about insha Allah
		
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			the the methodology that is used now by some Sharia indexes in the stock market and what is the
background of this methodology? And what are the options that are available for Muslim investors
today. So, when talking about companies that are publicly traded in the market, there are three in
principle There are three types of companies. The first type of these companies, they are non Sharia
compliant, that means their core activity, their main activity is haram is not permissible. Either
they're involved in entertainment or gambling, or alcohol or pork and related products, or weaponry
or anything that is not permissible in the Islamic Sharia. So, these companies, which have, you
		
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			know, their core business activities that are not compliant with the Sharia are excluded from this
discussion. An older owner mindset that we are not allowed as Muslims to invest or buy the shares or
own the shares of these companies. second type of these companies, companies that are fully
compliant that have fully complied with precepts of Sharia, the teachings of the Sharia, so that
means their products are halal. You know, they are involved in producing halal ingredients or halal
items. And they are financing is halal, too. They go through equity financing hula, they don't deal
with credit lines, they don't take loans from banks.
		
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			So all the owner agreed that it is majority majority actually have their own amount. They said
		
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			they said that it is permissible, Muslims are allowed to buy the shares and you know the of these
companies and sell them again in the market. The bad news is that this companies did not exist in
North America. They do not exist in the West in general. Some of them exist do exist in Malaysia, in
Singapore, maybe the Gulf countries, or Qatar, like Saudi Arabia, like Sudan, some other countries,
but they don't exist in the West. So now, we need to talk about the third type of companies that are
involved mainly in healthcare, business activities, they're the core, you know, their core business
activities are compliant with the Sharia, but at the same time, their financing is not compliant, we
		
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			deal with rubber they deal with interest or some of their activities are not compliant with the
Sharia. So, these companies are called they have mixed activities. And they are the subject of our
discussion discussion tonight.
		
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			Because some have said that Muslims are allowed to invest in these companies through a certain
specific methodology that is provided by those Sharia indexes that are found now in the market like
SMP cheriya index or Dow Jones Islamic index, or other indexes that are footsie in the UK in Europe
that are available in the market today. So in Arabic They are called as homomorphic tallada or shady
character to assume in metadata and if you have halal or haram, some majority of you know these
companies are I see majority of their activities are healthier are compliant with the Sharia. But
they are involved in some haram activities and they deal with Riba the they take loans from the bank
		
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			they deposit their their money, their capital in the bank and the earned some interest. So they have
a mixed no ingredients. There are two opinions and all the most of the Islamic investment companies
in the West.
		
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			Most of them who tell you are following certain criteria SMP criteria or Dow Jones are they
following this criteria? They are following they're talking about the opinion of this group of
scholars Zedd it is Helen and they have a criteria background. We'll talk about it today inshallah.
Some other scholars they said they are not held but my job today is to tell you tonight is to tell
you the opinion the two opinions, their proofs in sha Allah, and then I'll tell you the background
		
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			Have some numbers that are found in their criteria. Unfortunately, I don't have here, hopefully we
can have a document to show you at least about one or two products that are available in Canada.
		
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			So, we have the first group of Rona and Sherry aborts
		
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			reset that Muslims, they have permitted permitted Eonni they said Muslims are allowed to trade the
shares of these companies through a specific criteria
		
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			filtration process, there is a filtration process and this, they have their criteria. And through
this criteria, the filter these companies and these companies are monitored these indexes are
monitored through different group of scholars, every every index has its own Sharia board, like
here, the
		
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			SMP and TSX, 60 sherea, they have four or five scholars, Muslim scholars who are monitoring this
index, usually on a quarterly basis every three months, or four months, they have to monitor this
index and see if all the companies that are included in this index arc are in line with the criteria
of this index. If they are not, they will just take them out. And they might include other
companies. So it's an ongoing work that they do every three months or every four months. And they
have a filtration part of this filtration process or this whole process, there is something called
purification process. So they tell you that there is a small amount of harm there and they tell you
		
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			how to purify your income. After you make some some profit.
		
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			You don't have as an individual you cannot have access to these indexes, you have to go through a
broker or an investment company.
		
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			Now, who are these scholars who said that these criteria is Heller and these companies can be our
the shares of these companies can be used can be bought and sold in the market. Through this
specific criteria that we'll mention we will mention today insha Allah. The first group is a rush a
bank Sharia board, and they are based in Saudi Arabia. And the second one is Sherry, a committee of
the Jordan Islamic bank, and Banco O'Donnell Islamic. The third one is the Sherry our advisory board
of Al Baraka bank, and I think it's based in Bahrain, but it has many branches in different
countries. And it was the decision of the six symposium of Al Baraka Banking Group in Bahrain. And
		
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			among the earlier Mohammed bin sila Ebner Athenian number one, and he's a senior, he was a senior
scholar in Saudi Arabia, he passed away may Allah have mercy on him. Abdullah bin many one of the
senior scholars in Saudi Arabia, and he was a member of at Loyola Council of senior scholars at
Barack Obama in Saudi Arabia is still alive. Dr. nosey Hamad. He is a Syrian scholar who graduated
from Al Azhar University A long time ago he used to teach in Oman, Pura University, a member of one
of the Muslim academies, one of them and now he lives in in Canada in Vancouver. He is a Canadian
scholar, and Dr. Mustafa zarca, was a Hanafi scholar lived in Jordan, and he passed away Allah Mufti
		
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			Taqi Usmani a great scholar from Pakistan he specialized in the field of Finance. And also Dr. Ali
mohideen core al qaradawi, from Qatar among other scholars, these are examples and so what are the
approves most of the approves those group of scholars interiors who said it is Helen to you know
trade the shares of these companies most of the approves a legal Maxim's though right here. So, we
use this cover appear to justify or to support their opinion. The first car that they use is usual
Toba and Malaysia was declared. This is not a from the Quran. This is not a Hadith, but this is a
principle of filial principle. So this right here is this, you know, legal Maxim's or legal, Maxim's
		
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			were developed in our history when they are used to deal with and 15 matters. We will deal with some
matters method and in areas of taharah, and then the area of food and nutrition the area of boo, and
then we will find that there are some similarities with their principles. And then you come up with
a rule general rule that include many, many matters.
		
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			So hear issues whatever and manage users, the client didn't come up with it without any proof
without they looked at some ahaadeeth method. For example,
		
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			The sale of a mature fruits by itself is haram is forbidden in mature fruits on the trees. But if
the seller is selling the trees whole garden, he can include the mature fruit fruits, and he can
increase he's allowed to increase the price because of these fruits. So now it's Helen, it's Helen.
So, this is a something that is agreed upon by all the scholars by themselves, they are not, it is
not permissible to sell them by themselves. Because they might, they might be affected in the
future, and the buyer will just give his money loses money, right? Because you don't know what will
happen to this fruit. This is an example.
		
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			Sale of young animals in the wombs of their mothers, it is hard, but if you sell the cow, which is
pregnant with the young animal in its womb, it's Helen even if you increase the price, because it is
attached to the main subject of sale, it is not the main subject of safety. In the first example,
the main subject of sale are the trees the garden itself. So the remedy looked at these, you know,
different focus matters and matters of fact, and then they came up with this rule issues whatever
and manage users decline and so this rule ama used this FERPA Maxim the said the small amount of
Riba or small amount of non Sharia compliant activities or ingredients, or amount of money or income
		
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			that is there that's coming from haram incomes. It's small is not the main subject of sale, the
Muslim investor is buying shares of these companies, because their main or the core business
activities of these companies are Helen are compliant with the Sharia. So this Hara amount of
ingredients are only attached to it. That is their their arguments will allow you to add this
argument was refuted by indifferent to any ways. The first answer was a refutation. Was that legal?
or illegal? Maxim's do not have the power of the idea. That is from the Quran, or the hadith of
Russell lies on the mound, he said. And he said this Maxim was used to justify the sale of things
		
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			that are held by themselves, you know, the animal young animal in the in the womb of its mother,
it's Hillel by itself. It's an animal that is held to sell fruits that are held to sell it but haram
ingredients in or in interest income in these companies is not held, whether it is sold by itself or
attached to something else. So they are trying here to answer their argument. And they said this
flip this 50 or maximum could be challenged by other
		
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			axioms like we have another fifth Maxim that says their alma facet mocha demo knowledge and Bill
Masada, the roadmap he said, you know, repelling evil takes precedence over securing a benefit. If
you have the choice between two things here you need to either you do this thing you repel an evil
or the other choice is you you bring a benefit to yourself. And you don't have you have only these
two choices either you do this one or this one. So the earlier Maddie said repelling evil mocha them
the FSC mocha demo knowledgeable masala. This is another car either another 50 maximum that might
challenge the other 50 Maxim that you use. The second proof they said they'll hazard to
		
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			tuna Zulu Manzella, rasa, and need that is of a public nature could could be treated like a personal
or private private necessity private necessity I will tell you about it method and someone is
traveling in the desert and he went short to food he doesn't have food now. He doesn't have water it
is helpful for him if he finds pork to eat it. This is a personal dharuhera personal why it's
personal is private. The federal law is given only to this person is not a general fetch word that
is that can be given to all people Hey people, if you are hungry, you can eat from pork no you
cannot do that. This is a person one person who who found himself you know in this situation, so
		
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			Sherry is giving him a concession This is a private narara hacer una Carlo el * lamb and need
that is of a public nature. Anyone Haram is everywhere in all our business transaction mm is of no
have the seller is that either I'm a horrible akula fella who Ania huruma he should be and if Haram
is everywhere all transactions or jobs of Hara then you can actually benefit from
		
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			These things these items to survive because you need to survive that is the statement made by lasers
not to sell them in his books they'll collide. So, they looked at this guy that he said this is
actually a general the general state now of all companies are most of them majority big majority of
these companies are they have these problems they have to deal with interesting take credit lines,
they deposit their monies in money in the banks and and the the said this idea or this principle is
taken from podi to Allah the end operando Masha Allah, Allah COVID, dinniman Harish, so this is
Allah subhanaw taala said and he has not placed upon you in the religion, any hardship. Now their
		
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			argument, we said people, this is their argument. They use the frickin Maxim and the ayah. And he
said people need to invest their savings, because not everyone is able to, you know, to do business
to establish his own business, you have savings in the bank Mathurin worth 30,000 40,000. But you
cannot, you don't have the ability, because you're not a business person, you don't have the ability
to establish open a store, or establish your own business. So they said the best way now for you for
modern Muslims is to invest their money in these investment vehicles or in these companies. And this
is also the state needs to encourage people to invest their savings to, you know, support the
		
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			economy,
		
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			an argument that is found both in Muslim and non Muslim countries. So this argument was was refuted
on the basis that the need in Sharia because in theory, our needs are divided into three, we have a
double rot, which is extremely necessity, like the person traveling as I said, in the desert, and he
didn't find food, so he's allowed to drink alcohol, or eat from pork to survive. This is the second
one the second level is alhaja. What is the definition of alhaja if you don't do it, you will face
hardship and difficulty and ultimate yet, or destiny at camellia luxuries. If you don't go to bed,
if you don't take family to your family to Banff you're not going to die. You still you'll be okay.
		
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			You'll be fine. So this is a luxury right? So three levels of needs. So here the warning in the
middle. This said actually the fulfillment of need. Needs injury is only justified to remove
hardship. Masha kamatera, why do we take insurance for our cars, because it's extremely difficult to
survive in this country or other countries without cars, right. But insurance by itself is haram.
But because it has authority, the main element is a foreigner is a little bit less than a little bit
different than Reba. Reba is not tolerated in Sharia. a certain amount of horror of uncertainty
could be tolerated especially when there is a need here, because we have a need, we will face
		
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			difficulty it will be difficult extremely difficult for us as Muslims to sometimes not to take some
benefits some health benefits, but to have coverage for example, or not to have a car. So here the
family said Muslims will not face any difficulty that is the argument of those who are refuting
their the second delille the second proof, they said Muslims will not face any difficulty of
hardship. If they don't invest their money in this companies will love China. The third proof they
said there is a car either for another 15 maximum that says you know little accessory Hawkman could
only ever be hookman cool. So if we have an entirety we have something and it is divided into two
		
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			parts. The major parts of these things is Hillel is pure, for example, is not natural, for example,
but there is small amount of hora or meta if we talk about food, they said mithuna when making some
types of cheese.
		
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			They use a huge amount of milk and they put small quantity of Rena to pepsin in it. So many earlier
Maddy said don't worry about it. It's only small Aqua quantity. So they are looking at the ruling of
the major part which is milk here. It's Helen. So this is another 15 Maxim that says a small amount
of non permissible ingredients will not affect the whole quantity of halal ingredients. And this of
course, this car either has also applications in the back in the chapter of taharah and some other
chapters. They enforce proof. They said mela in Kenya Hara zoominfo for who f1 and this is another
kind of here, another 15 Maxim. Anything that is impossible to avoid is overlooked. For example,
		
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			I'll tell you example if a female a Muslim lady
		
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			does not find a female doctor. She has to go and see a male doctor right? And he might see her our
image Look at her body right? When dealing with treating this woman. So how the amarula to heroism?
No, it's impossible impossible to avoid, right. So the fukuhara they said they have discard.
Anything that is impossible to avoid, is overlooked in Sharia sharing the morality less than this is
part of the mercy of Allah subhana wa, oh, someone has to take matter in the street or a road and
the whole area is affected with nyjah and he has to walk on this on this path to go to Al Masjid, so
his clothes could be affected by this Nigeria and the earlier Maddie said method in this case, if it
		
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			is impossible to avoid this Nigeria, then it is overlooked in the Sharia and his Salat is valid. The
other fukuhara talk about small amount of urine on the clothes may be overlooked. If you don't know
where it is. You did your best to clean yourself and be clean to clean your clothes. But there are
some drops of urine that came on your clothes, then your Salat is valid Allah Allah will not take
you to account for this. These are four key examples that are found in the books.
		
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			So, these are here, their argument those odema who said it is helpful to deal with this, you know
companies they said small amount of haram ingredients in the shares is found with most of these
companies. And it is almost impossible to avoid. That is their argument. But this argument was
refuted by saying that these Hara ingredients could be avoided by not buying the shares of these
companies. And that's it. You avoid them. You don't have to deal with them. There is no necessity
that was their counter argument. The second opinion of odema who said it is not permissible to deal
with these companies. Do you have the document available? You don't have it? Okay.
		
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			The second group of sherry asked callers and cheery aborts those rude Emma who said it is haram to
deal with these companies period because they have some
		
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			ingredients there they had to deal with interest the deposit their money in the bank, you have
interesting, so it's hard to deal with these companies. They are the number one the permanent
committee of research in February in Saudi Arabia, Sharia committee of Kuwait finance house beta
Temodal Kuwaiti it's a famous Islamic banking quote, Sharia Board of Dubai Islamic bank, one of the
first
		
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			Islamic banks in the Muslim world, the only way to start it was established in 1975. Sharia
committee of the Sudan Islamic bank, Dr. Ali Sal, who's one of the scholars is a Islamic finance
scholar, very highly qualified scholar he lives in Qatar is Egyptian, but he dedicated his life to
Islamic finance. And she has been best is one of the scholars. So in the first group, you have
nothing. second group you have shiffman bas, for example, so it's a very rudimentary said is a very
strong
		
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			disagreement. Now there Atilla are from the Quran and the Sunnah of Rasulullah sallallahu alayhi wa
sallam. Yeah, you live in Amman. chochmah rumaki Amina Reba enquanto, meaning oh you believe who
have believed it temple la fiere Allah and leave or give up what remains of Riba do to you, if you
are truly believers? This is in Surah tillbaka 278. Allah Subhana Allah says Allah, Allah Allahu wa
mareeba but Allah has permitted trade, and he has forbidden Riba, usually, the Hadith in which
Rasulullah Salim said Allah was in akula, Rebel Jia helia T Mobile, he says, Allah says virally all
types all forms of interest, all forms of usury during the time practice during the time of God or
		
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			during the pre Islamic era are rejected. So their argument from this you know, as an ahaadeeth
madness, what is oneness? They said these divine texts have a general implication which means they
include both small amounts and big amounts of Riba. This is their argument and the discussion of
other group of scholars, they said investor will not benefit from this Riba he has to purify his
income. When he gets an income if they tell him you're 95% of your of your income is haram then he
will give inshallah 5% from his income as a sadaqa he will not get the reward of a sidecar This is
called the Hello sees just purifying his income. So that is their argument. He said through
		
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			The purification process because every index has its own purification process. And these are the
response to this argument is found in the second proof, because our whole lives are seldom said in
the second proof here used both them and then the B solar system. How did you ever land allow an
interview sauce lm LAN Akela Reba, where mukalla who work at Eva who was shahidi so also Lhasa
cinnamon, this famous Hadith that is found in Buhari, said Allah subhanho wa Taala has cursed the
one who gives the Riba and the one, the one who consumes the Riba, the one who gives it and the
scribe of the contract, the one who writes the contract, and the two witnesses who signed the
		
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			contract. So he said, they said everyone who is involved in this kind of activities, is actually
involved in this in this non Sharia compliant in operations. So Muslims are not supposed to deal
with these things at all, they have to stay away that is their argument. The other argument is the
iron sword and Merida which I will link below as well as I will know Allah, and if Mueller do and
help one another righteousness and piety, and do not cooperate in sin and aggression. So as you can
see, in the second group, they have their proofs from the Quran, and the Sunnah, and they are very
strong
		
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			in an argument, but the other ruler, they said they have a counter argument, they said, the investor
is not directly involved in making those decisions. He said, He's not actually just bought, bought
bought a share, which is a certificate representing a unit of ownership. He's not the decision
maker. He's not like a partner who is involved in a partnership. And he's a decision, you know, when
people when people are going to have a small partnership, established small business, they are
decision makers, so they are directly held accountable. But these are these are these investors are
not they shouldn't be held accountable, like real owners, who are who have the power to make
		
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			decisions, they don't make decisions. Yes, they have the voting power, they can participate in the
general meetings in the general assemblies, and voice they are concerned like Chef tapirs man, he
said a Muslim, when he invest in this company, he should voice his concerns. And these general
meetings until you know, the management that they have to avoid these kinds of activities. But this
is not practical. And it's difficult to I don't see it happening like nowadays, we're low to either.
		
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			Now, they're 30 proof. So I add from the Quran, the Hadith from sola, Solomon, the iPhone, either
their third proof, they say the relationship between the management of the company and the investors
is a principal agent relationship. So the management is acting on behalf of the shareholders.
		
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			And muscling in when we have a partnership. For example, when we have a partnership in Islam, every
partner is an agent who is acting on behalf of the other partners. So his transactions are
attributed to them.
		
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			They are to be held accountable for his own decisions, because he's a partner with them in the
business. Of course, it doesn't work with limited liability. That's another concept here in the
West. But we're talking about simple partnership in Islam. So it is accurate wirkkala in every
partner is at work he lives in and he said the same applies to the management of every company, they
are actually doing making decisions and acting on behalf of the shareholders. So they are to be held
accountable, because they are part of this company. And everyone who owns shares is like a partner
with Allahu taala. And now, this is their
		
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			These are two opinions that are found. Now in the Muslim world. If you ask me about my opinion,
which one is stronger, by looking at the proofs?
		
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			By looking at the names of the scholars, they are almost equal. They are qualified scholars in both
parties by looking at the proofs employed by different groups and the second group have stronger
proofs from the Quran from the Sunnah very, you know difficult to avoid escape. You know, these,
these proofs, this is in a hurry from this lesson. But there is something I will tell you about it.
And I am not telling you this is the right opinion.
		
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			I have there are scholars who are more qualified than me. more qualified when they discuss this
matter didn't give the opinion they said both in both groups are qualified scholars respected
scholars in the Muslim world. And this is their disagreement and he stopped he didn't
		
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			Say anything, he didn't tell people in his books in his book will and his lectures This is the right
opinion follow this opinion there are some people who are very I mean excited about, you know, this
one or this one.
		
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			But I'll tell you something here, they if I live in Saudi Arabia or in Qatar or no Muslim country, I
will tell Muslims Yes, you go with a second opinion, you are not allowed to, to invest in the other
companies. Now, the problem with us in the West and here comes the fifth comes to the understanding
of the dean, what are we doing with our money
		
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			putting it under our bed
		
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			putting it under our beds.
		
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			So, everyone has his own bag under your bed and you have to know the addresses and then we deal with
them right.
		
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			So where did where do we save our money or keep our money?
		
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			Yeah, they are in the bank. So everyone has a bank account right. Okay. Now, banks, the general
principle they use
		
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			something called in finance financial intermediation.
		
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			financial intermediation. So they take money from depositors.
		
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			And you don't keep them there for you. Mr. Mohammed, you have your money here is safe is kept, don't
worry about it, we'll keep it for you. Don't worry about it, no, to give it to other corporations,
other businesses.
		
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			Actually, everything that is in market, all these operations that you see in the markets, especially
method and foreign forex, method and operations, I told you before in 2010, the average turnover in
one day in April 2010,
		
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			the average of the daily transactions in one day was $4 trillion.
		
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			And whose money is this? It's your money, my money, the money of the public. So these banks and
because these banks are financing these operations, and giving this money to corporations, so they
are earning interest, so your money is used,
		
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			is used to finance these huge interest based operations. Whether you like it you don't like it
right. Now, here this criteria, is telling you this is a lesser evil.
		
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			You see what I'm saying here, that is a thought a personal thought, and the decision is yours. But
this is what I believe if we have an Islamic bank earlier, Maddy said well established Islamic bank,
well established Islamic were there earlier they said you as a Muslim, you are not allowed to keep
your money in conventional bank. That means you don't need to go through this at all. Though we
don't have Islamic banks in Canada, we don't have Islamic banks in the in the West. So we're
depositing our money in the banks, and the bank is using our money to finance as I said, these
operations that you are not pleased with, but here there is a criteria that is trying to minimize
		
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			evil.
		
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			You know, they said they accept only we'll look at their qualitative criteria, they accept only Hara
5% of haram ingredients. And they look at the financial structure of every company, they look at
debts and they look at account receivables. And those things, we'll talk about them and they are the
background in Sharia of these numbers. 5% Alia ciroma who won an hoh This is a pie definitely hide
any any small amount that is mixed with a large amount of hair, but in water, you have a big counter
a container of water and he has some drops of urine. So the older man he said, if the color is not
changed, the smell is not changed if this water, so it is considered a pure water you can make
		
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			although this small amount of majesta does not affect. So he looked at this, you know 50 Maxim's
here
		
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			so 5% the tolerate only 5% of business non compliant business activities. And we look at this
financial structure of the companies to we'll talk about it now. So this is a personal thought. This
is not a federal that they got from some scholars. As I said, I talked to other scholars about it,
and they couldn't tell me which one is right. But there are salasar we have it Allah I talked to him
about it. He said, yes, these two opinions are there.
		
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			There is nothing better than Salama safety, to be safe, not to invest. But this is a federal good as
I said in the Arab countries in the Muslim countries, yes. Because you have to have alternatives.
You live in Qatar, you have Islamic banks, too.
		
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			You have Islamic bank, Saudi Arabia, in Sudan, you have Islamic banks, even in Algeria and other
countries. So you have alternatives, right. But here we don't have Alton, I am not trying to say,
hey, you go with the first opinion, it's your decision. But I'm telling you your money is used to
finance other operations that are you are not happy with and you don't like and it's there and used
on a daily basis. So, but here, if you use your money on different, different, you know, investment,
that could be better for you without Allah. Now, when it comes when it comes to this methodology,
		
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			this ruler, who adopted the second methodology,
		
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			we came up with two two elements, something called qualitative criteria and the other one called
quantitative criteria. So, qualitative criteria, the look at which companies qualify to be included
in these indexes, the first index will allow to Allah alum is Dow Jones Islamic index, one of the
scholars who established this index is shifted money, he's still alive. So, this ad all following
activities are excluded from following include included excluded from this index, alcohol, pork
related products, conventional financial services, banks, insurance companies, and all these
companies, entertainment, tobacco weapons and defense and he said only 5% or less coming from the
		
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			previous activities is tolerated. So, a company could have method and the main the core business is
Helen, but he might be involved in some other investments. So, they said if the Haram investment is
less than 5%, then this company will qualify for the second step, which is quantitative screening or
quantitative criteria. So, all the other companies that are involved in this activities are
excluded. So they have to be oil and gas they have to be any it they have to be companies giving
services or offering services different companies that are offering heroin
		
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			you know, services to the public.
		
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			The second quantitative criteria, these are they looked at debt, the debt of the company, they look
at the cash that has the company has plus interest bearing securities like bonds, for example. And
he looked at their account receivables. So, they said everything has to be divided with the average
during the 24 months of the market capitalization of the company and everything has to be less than
33%. What is the market capitalization or market cap is actually the value of the market value of
the company. If you look at the value of the shares on a specific day of that company, let's say one
share is $1. And the company has 20 million shares, what will be the value the market value of this
		
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			company to the millions, but it is different from the total assets because the assets you know the
properties of the company, tangible assets, but their properties they own or tools, equipments,
buildings, or cash they have or anything, the total could be only 15 million could be only 10
million these total assets. But here this rule Emma, who are dealing with are taking care of this
Dow Jones Islamic index, we don't have it here in Canada, but this is an example.
		
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			Just an example most of them are similar.
		
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			So we looked at the market, the US the market capitalization, some of them they divided the total
debt by the total assets we'll learn how to and what is their argument? I'm not sure account
receivables is the money owed by the company to a customer for services or products provided upon
credit. So when someone's buy something with a credit, then when he sent him when they send him the
invoice. So their money this money is called account receivable it will go into the account
receivables. So here because they are counted, they are treated like cash. And the idea is that
money if it belongs to the same denomination, it has to be exchanged at par value for half Canadian
		
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			money. I have 1000 in my hand my hand I want to exchange it with Canadian money for example. Let's
say we have a bill, do we have a bill for 1000?
		
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			Okay, let's say for sake of clarification, we have a bill or I have a bill of 100 for example, I
need to change it made small bills $5 $10 it has to be at par value.
		
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			Otherwise, it is illegal.
		
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			If it is a different * like American money or or European money well that's okay. That's
okay. I mean it doesn't have to be at par value, one Canadian 100 and Canadian dollar I buy with it
like 360 Saudi reals. So here we have 360 and here I have 100 devalue is different tribes because
they belong to different countries. So there is no Riba here The only thing is they have to be
		
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			we need to hear immediate delivery or immediate possession and then be at hand to hand.
		
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			But if the money belongs to the same then denomination it has to be at par value. Now when I have
cash, when I have account receivables, if they are in big amounts in a company, and I buy the shares
of this company, so the majority the major parts of this company could be representing what
representing cash for example, resending money, so when I sell this share in the market, I'll be
like selling selling money because the current theatre code available in the lobby hockman cool in
the majority should be treated or deserve to be treated like the whole of a think this is a 4k Maxim
here. So cash is the majority, the major part of the share here, so it's like I am buying and
		
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			selling money. So they looked at this financial structure of the companies. Now the idea of 33% not
many people are confused about it. And actually, there is a brother So hey, lamb it, he did a
presentation on behalf of hikma capital
		
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			achema capital is an investment company that is established here in in Calgary in Calgary.
		
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			It's a new company.
		
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			It's new right.
		
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			hikma, or what is called? The one established in Calgary.
		
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			hikmah capital. So there is another one in Toronto with the same name. same name. Okay, it's weird.
But anyway, yeah. So so he did presentation in some masajid here in Calgary and he mentioned this
33% 33% the background of this 30 What is 33%? one third. So what is the background is this one
third is the headache of sad.
		
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			Sad no your cause when he was sick in the city of Mecca, and he met Russell last I saw him he wanted
to make was. So you said the RSO ally of only I think he was talking about his children, he must
have wives. But he was talking about his children. He said to have only one daughter. And I need to
donate make we'll see I didn't donate money before I die before I pass away. So is it possible to
donate three quarters? I think the first number he mentioned three quarters of my wealth, my
properties. So law says he said no. He said how about two thirds of my properties? So law says and
him said no.
		
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			And then the third question, he said how about a third? So he said there was one last session and he
said the third is fine. Even though it is a big amount. The third is fine, even though it is a big
amount.
		
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			And he said and today I want to take care of Nia hieromonk entera home for karateka for foreignness
it is to leave your family members rich sorry and wealthy it's better than leaving them after you
pass away after you die leaving them poor asking help from other people. So it's better for you to
leave this wealth for your family right but it's okay to make if someone is wealthy it's recommended
it is Mr. hat for him to to make lasagna but his ad cast was asking about the right way to make the
was a solo solo Salim did not agree with three quarters. He did not agree with two thirds, but he
agreed with the third and he said even though the third is a big amount. So now here the owner this
		
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			aroma they use something called the nasoalveolar formula maharlika divergent meaning mfuwe and
mohalla is used in a solid field. It is a method of deducting rulings from the Sharia. What is the
mushroom here? The divergent meaning anything that is less than third is a small amount.
		
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			But the Shafi and the Maliki scholars who use this my former mohalla because the Hanafi said we
cannot use malformed Allah, in the Quran texts of the Quran and the Hadith, those sheffy and Hannah
and medical scholars who used moving for mohalla we said mohalla this text cannot be an answer to a
question. And here it is an answer to a question made by sad novio cos because they, in another
word, he could have said how about one quarter 25% that's all I could have said we don't know a lot.
But he could have said yes, quarter is fine, even though quarter is a big amount.
		
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			Because he's the statement of muscle loss SLM came as an answer to a question. So the answer is
related to that specific question. It doesn't necessarily mean that only think less than 30. But
they used it, they used it as a as a delete.
		
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			And, and also the Hanafi or the Manichaean sheffy scholars who use this method. They said this
divergent meaning cannot go against a text, a divine text from the Quran and the Sunnah. And here
they are using this argument or this in the area of Riba interest, and we have proofs from the
Quran, Xena, that we are not supposed to deal with Eva. So anyway, this is their argument about 33%.
So, anything that is less than 33% is a small amount, and it could be accepted. That's why they
accepted this amount into a you know, these financial numbers. And most of the company's most of the
companies are using this index like there is a mutual fund Muslim mutual fund in a in the US is
		
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			called the i m a n x i think
		
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			a man a mutual fund, but this is their index, this is their symbol right
		
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			here. So a man a mutual fund, it's been there for a long time
		
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			very successful mutual fund and is using this criteria and the scholars who are taking care of this
monitoring this, this investment company, or some of them from Canada, some some of them from the
state now in Canada, okay. So my point tonight is that if Muslims want to invest, this is the only
option they have.
		
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			Because you cannot just invest by yourself because you don't have knowledge about the financial
structure of the company. And you don't know their numbers, how much of haraam Is there even if it
is an oil company and oil company could be investing money in entertainment business
		
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			could be investing money in casinos and gambling
		
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			you know, business so the invest companies invest their money in different investments. So but when
you have a scholars monitoring, you know, these companies that at least they are responsible in
front of Allah subhana wa Tada. I had some names here, but they are in the document here and he is
okay, that's fine.
		
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			We can talk about it on a different occasion. But I wanted to you to show some
		
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			you know, the the one that we have here in Canada, the 60 shehryar index plus the hikma capital,
they are using the 500 SMP 500. From the state.
		
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			So he told me SMP 500
		
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			Yeah, but the Hikmah capital, they are using SMP 500 from the state.
		
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			Yeah, but the point is, all these indexes are similar. They're using the same method. And, you know,
an opinion of both groups. You're about this methodology.
		
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			Or these products that are found in the market. Now the Sharia indexes, the two opinions that I
mentioned the first group of scholars and the second group of scholars. So if when it comes to your
RSP, investing the money of your children for education, or method an RSP, this could be an option
will allow you to plan because the other option is using a savings account, saving account, you just
purify it you take the interest and take it away give it
		
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			to the Rebbe because the money coming from the government is is helpful if we're talking about
education savings account for your children. Any the money coming from the government is Hillel your
money is Helen. Tony Haram is the person to you forever. The other option is to invest your money,
the money of your children through these vehicles will allow to hold on
		
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			to it. Do you have any question? Anything to be clarified?
		
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			They have some
		
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			additional housing.
		
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			The I don't know if we have this kind of investment. I'm not sure. Some of the scholars have is not
involved with Amana mutual fund. They might have a branch in in Toronto. I'm not sure but but they
may their main product is housing. isn't a housing cooperative. Yes.
		
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			You mentioned it.
		
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			What is it for
		
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			In
		
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			the hurry from the Hollies,
		
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			the said any cash method and has to be less than 33% cash within the company. liquid.
		
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			Yeah, but they want to scope it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, you just want to explain a few
things. That's okay. That's fine.
		
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			Yeah. Do you have any other question? Yes. Brother.
		
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			Hedge Funds
		
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			Southern Maryland millennia her brother
		
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			was the first man
		
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			the Forex we had we had the lecture here and it is available on YouTube explained the way the two
forks in hedge funds. I don't know I don't have enough enough knowledge about this is kind of you
know activities.
		
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			Allow Elon Musk. inshallah we will when we have, you know, if we do some research about it, we'll
let you know about it, but forex. It was a lecture and it's available on YouTube.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Day Trading. So what is considered day trading?
		
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			second one was ETFs. If you're allowed to invest in ETF? Yeah.
		
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			Yeah, I'll just go slowly. ETFs are like mutual funds, but they are sold. They are traded in the
market, like mutual fund is an invest in company people. It's a pooled investment, you get money,
people contribute to this method, an investment pool, and then it's divided into units, people buy
these units and the manager of this company mutual funds will invest the money in different you
know, different
		
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			stocks, bonds, different operations. And then when we make a profit, they have a ratio of profit to
be given to their investors. So ATF is the same thing. But mutual funds are not invested by
themselves in the they are not traded in the market. ETFs are actually like mutual funds where they
are traded, the same thing applies. If they are companies or halon. investment is held following For
example, this criteria, then it is accepted based on the criteria of this group of scholars. You
know, Jamie, so to tell you about pure ETF
		
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			eczema, we don't have enough in North America. We don't have in in the West. Anything that is purely
halal, fully fully compliant.
		
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			Chevy was talking about some purely halaal ETF
		
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			from Singapore, not from here Singapore, right. Yeah. So we don't have in the West anything.
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			The trading is a journey.
		
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			It's a controversial matter. And I and I, I there are two opinions about it. There are some elements
it is not is not permissible, those who exaggerate about speculation, and they don't like speculate
if, you know, activities. And the don't feel comfortable with speculation, the concept of
speculation at all. But it's very controversial, but the element of speculation is found in any
business activity. No, you know what I mean? So it's very, there is a thin line between what is
Helen? What is halal in speculation, what is halal and what is haram. So this hermit, he said, You
know, this, this collar these people who are investing doing being involved in day trading, they are
		
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			not actually they don't mean to own these shares, and they don't add any value to the economy. And
they are just speculating about the prices of these shares. And they try to sell them on the same
day. And so they have their own arguments, but I couldn't reach any conclusion about it. I don't
want to give you a fetch one hour offer to an hour but it allowed Alana Yes.
		
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			After an effort, but by just to continue by principle, if you buy something you own it, you own it,
and you sell it after you own it is Helen whether it is an hour, whether it is a day, with whether
it is a month, it doesn't matter. This is the main principle in Islam, that you don't sell what you
don't own. If you own it,
		
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			Then you can sell it will, Allah.
		
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			I know. I know, I know. But there is there is constructive possession. And there is real possession
constructive. Some earlier, when they looked at the alcohol that hooked me constructive possession,
they said when it is registered in your name. So it is a type of ownership. But I don't want to go
into that now. But this is a basic principle. And that could be one of the main reasons of their
disagreement about these kinds of activities.
		
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			Yes,
		
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			stems as a necessity of need to do something with it. Correct, we can find it. One of the, to have
money. One of the other necessity or needed in which we mentioned, to do something with or not keep
it with yourself. We said the need here is not a necessity. These are the people need to invest
their savings, because they don't have the ability to establish their own business and everything.
And also the state needs to encourage people to invest their savings to support the economy. Because
if people keep their savings, they don't invest them, then the economy will
		
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			will not will be weak and he will lead the country will not have a strong economy because money is
not is not used in the business
		
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			that is recommended or not recommended to
		
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			save money. Okay, you need to fulfill, and there's no particular reason.
		
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			What I mentioned is here, we are saving more money in the banks. And banks is using our money to
finance interest based operations, right. And things that were not pleased with, but your money is
used, your money is used. So I'm saying maybe it could be better for you as a Muslim to use your
money in these kinds of activities. Maybe it's better is the is the lesser of two evils.
		
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			Now, Taliban slamming back we don't have an Islamic event. We're talking about Canada and the West.
		
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			But keeping in the back is totally safe because investment is permissible. Yeah, it is what they
are. Yeah.
		
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			terms of recommendation i'm saying is recommended as a Muslim if you had extra money. Okay.
		
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			The recommendation for Muslims or for the the properties of the orphans. He said the Steph Murphy
and Maria tamela Taku has a cat. He said invest the money of the orphans. Because the orphans have
to pay the cat. They have to pay the Catholic even if they are not McAuliffe, even if they are
young, they have to pay because it is a hacker right on the money on the property. Not that hack on
them. They are not Micallef because he could be 10 years old, and he's a billionaire. His dad passed
away and he left for him billions of dollars. So we tell him like you don't have to pay zakat until
you become an adult you reach the age of puberty. You know, all the scholars This is an agreement
		
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			that he has to pay zakat is insane. He's he's not
		
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			supposed to pray, he cannot pray. He doesn't fast. Allah subhanaw taala will not take into account
because insane, he's most known crazy. But if he's rich, wealthy, then his guardian has to pay zakat
on his money. Right. So
		
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			they allow us to encourage people to invest the properties of the orphans. He said otherwise the
Zakat will eat it away without Allah. So the general counsel would be encouraged to keep the general
concept is good to invest your money to save money for your family. And so last I said I'm used to
save for the for the whole year save money or food for the whole year for one year.
		
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			More than that, if you have more than that, then it's better to invest it is better to invest money
to make more money it is Islam encourages people to invest their money.
		
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			Oil and Gas Company, their activities are
		
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			the main activity, but most of the oil and gas is sold through futures.
		
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			So here comes the job of the scholars to monitor these companies and monitor their activities.
That's why they don't look only at the product, they look at the financial structures,
		
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			different ratios and they say my friend and they look at the balance sheet of the company. And the
the know how to read these numbers and and come up with a conclusion about company if it is included
should be included in these indexes or not.
		
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			And here the difference is there is a big difference between someone who is going to the market by
himself
		
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			as an individual and Muslim investor, say, I'll deal with my broker or just buy oil and gas. But you
don't know what kind of involvement business they are involved in? Or what are the their? What is
their situation, their financial situation? What are their financial conditions, you don't know
them. So these scholars are monitoring this is indexes on a regular basis. And then yeah, it's
better than
		
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			then other other things we're allowed to add on them in the market. That's why my federal if I have
to give a fatwa tonight, by yourself, you go and invest in the in the in the market, you cannot do
it. Because you don't know you don't know you don't have knowledge about these companies, you cannot
do a research by yourself and and look for these numbers by yourself. And because this is the only
criteria that is available in the Muslim world, either its Hara, or its halal through this
methodology. This is what we have. We're not talking about the Arab countries or Muslim countries,
they have their Islamic banks, they have Islamic financial investment companies. I'm talking about
		
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			people Muslims living in the West, in Canada and North America and Europe. And that's it, you get my
point, right?
		
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			Do you raise your hand?
		
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			Yeah.
		
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			Program, which is about 2000. companies.
		
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			Okay, and,
		
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			and it's a local company.
		
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			brothers who hate we'll be here, we'll be here who move here?
		
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			Okay. There is one thing I would like to tell you. There are some banks that came up with this
Islamic investments, they established the Islamic investment department, or conventional banks, one
of them was in Canada.
		
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			And he mentioned the scholars mentioned the scholars who,
		
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			you know, who approved this criteria. The problem is, the problem is, sometimes they give the
impression that these scholars are monitoring this investment. Only the the scholars approved the
index, the criteria, the methodology, we cannot give the impression to the public that these collars
are on a regular basis, monitoring the decisions and the operations of this investment department in
the bank. They have nothing to do with it, you know, to me, but they approve this methodology.
		
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			So, if you strictly follow this methodology, then you will be in the safe side following their
methodology. If you use it, just there, put it on the website, but you don't follow the criteria,
you make your own decisions, then you are not really following there. So you have to be careful
about it. It's a matter of advertising. The other thing is that I don't like in the market now. And
in this industry, Islamic finance industry, some people like to always use fully compliant, fully
compliant with Sharia strictly compliant. So they shouldn't say this, well, I mean, it's better for
them, people will respect them, inshallah will deal with them, they are honest, and they say this
		
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			criteria or this investment was approved by this scholars group of scholars, or Sherry Abbas. So
people will know, and the decision believe the decision to the customers and the investors. I think
it's better than telling people you know, these are strictly Sharia, you know, compliant products
fully imply we don't have something fully compliant in the West.
		
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			Money.
		
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			Your money is used
		
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			their money, my money, they are using a earning interest, the bank is earning interest on your
money.
		
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			But
		
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			we have limited limited options.
		
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			I will tell you something, I don't want we I don't want you to blame Islam for this hardship that we
face in the West. Why? I'll tell you something. Why? The reason is, because this financial system
was not built based on our values.
		
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			We live in a different culture.
		
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			It's impossible. It's a different culture. It's a different financial system.
		
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			They don't care about river river is Bay is part of their daily operations is Riba interest is
included in everything. And this is their financial system now to come and say, Whoa, everything is
haram. So Islam is a very difficult to religion, you start blaming Islam, no, don't blame Islam,
Islam gave you the alternatives, alternatives are not found in the system. Because this system is
not Islamic.
		
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			But our fathers, our forefathers have established their own Islamic system. And it worked for
centuries. It worked for centuries, when before Europeans established their banks, we had a system
in the Muslim world and Muslim trader was signed a check, I will tell you check in the city of Basra
in Iraq, and it will be cashed in Morocco.
		
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			In the Middle Ages, we call them middle ages in Europe.
		
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			That was admitted by in western scholars, they said they had a very sophisticated system in the
Middle Ages, Muslims. But this is history. This is history. We don't want to live on the glories and
the achievements of our
		
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			our forefathers, we have to look at our conditions. Now. The challenges that we are facing, and the
problems that are facing, even with Islamic Finance, the people who are taking care of this industry
are trying to make it easy to people. But sometimes, whenever we see in a whenever we see something
that is not fully
		
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			compliant, usually people most of the people think right away about lack of honesty,
		
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			and lack of lack of integrity, and that Muslims themselves are not willing to provide fully Sharia
compliant products. Is this not the case, sometimes the the face many challenges their competition
in the market. The regulations, regulators are not Muslims. Every country has a financial,
		
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			you know, regulation body, regulatory body body that regulates all financial activities, including
Islamic investment companies. And sometimes they don't accept some of their terms. They come up with
a plan to tell them, this is how we're going to do business. The regulator will tell them no, you
cannot do this in Canada, you cannot do this in the UK. So they have their own challenges and
problems too. So I want you to think about all these things. We don't we don't want to jump into
conclusions. When you see something that is not pure that is not complete. We always think about
lack of honesty and, you know, within our circles, this is not the case all the time. Well, lo
		
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			Donna. Yes. One question. So in conventional finance, and inflation,
		
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			what is the Islamic concept on inflation?
		
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			What do you mean Islamic concept? How does Islam define inflation? The creation of money you mean
inflation of money and things becoming more expensive.
		
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			Today,
		
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			there are issues that we will discuss regarding this, this problem. When it comes to paying debts
for example, or paying more or paying more than the money the value of money is different. And the
amount of the Islamic academies both Islamic physically we have two Islamic academies.
		
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			These are the most actually
		
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			they are the best in the in the Muslim world. One of them belongs to IAS or IC Organization of
Islamic countries. headquarter is headquartered in Jeddah, the other one It belongs to the Muslim,
worldly rabbit, Atlanta Muslim, and their headquarter is in Makkah. So, the group big group of
scholars they come together every three months every four months and they get together and the
invite specialists, people who are specialized in different fields sometimes the discussed medical
issues, financial issues, different issues, and all the collected questions and problems they have
one of the questions is this the discussed method, when it comes to paying debt, they said no, you
		
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			have to pay the same amount, unless there is there are some exceptions. If times of calamities or if
the economy the whole financial system collapses and the value of monies like mahana has decreased.
		
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			Any is totally different method $1 used to be equivalent to method and let's say three, three rounds
solarians and huge
		
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			financial crisis took place and then the value of money became totally different. $1 is equal
		
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			To 40
		
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			or 50 years of method and Saudi money here has no value when compared with American money. If there
was a problem, like financial crisis, or an earthquake or a big disaster, he or he said they said
the data might might make a claim in a court of law and asked for the equivalent of his, the amount
of his debt in this case, so there are no isolated cases where the person might ask for the
equivalent amount of money. Otherwise, they said inflation should not
		
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			affect the payment of loans and the payment of debts. And everything should be the same with the
same value.
		
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			currency that that doesn't happen.
		
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			I know.
		
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			Yeah, but it has to do it has to do with the nature of money in Islam. In Islam, we accepted
anything that was accepted by the public or accepted in the state. If it is accepted by the state by
the government by the public as a tool as a money, then it should be accepted. They looked at the
Sunnah of Rasulullah Sallam he used to you deal with golden dinars minted in in the Roman Empire and
silver Durham's minted in the Persian Empire, and the sole assassin did not say these are Roman
dinars and Persian Durham's, we should change them, we should have our own sooner money, or Islamic
money. He didn't say that. And the hula Rashi, Dune did not make this decision.
		
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			Does it? Does it click anything in your mind? is this?
		
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			People who are thinking about using golden silver again,
		
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			you didn't you're not following the news. Okay.
		
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			Can I just comment on that for a second. I mean, one of the biggest problems that people have is
that when you deal with loans, they don't understand the nature of Islamic contracts. In Islam, we
have contracts for profit, and we have contracts that are done out of kindness. And the loan is a
contract that is done out of kindness. So it's understood that you're making some sacrifice already
by giving a loan. And if there are further sacrifices made due to inflation, then you know, that's
part of the contract that you understand that you are jealous with,
		
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			even if someone is lost in circulation, but this concept does not apply only to mom's method and
credit sales. It's not a loan, right? But there is a credit so and it has to pay within a within
five years, or six years. So the value of money could be different. Mar for example, is not a loan.
		
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			It's a hack. It's a right. That has to be paid by the husband to his wife. So it applies to all
these kinds of arrangements.
		
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			Yeah, macif said what he said is true. Yeah. And He alone is apt of Sn. So I'm saying Earth hasn't
called has any don't charge Riba and Islam does not exist these days anyway. Anyway, but
		
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			so my point is, you know, when it comes to inflation, yes, there is a problem with fiat money. But
when you look at the concept of money in Islam, we we don't have problem dealing with this kind of
money. You know what I mean? Even though we know there is a problem, there are people who said no
Santa is to use golden silver.
		
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			No, it is soon and we have to go to this manner. But this look at what our solar system did not say
this even make this statement. He never thought about changing money. Because if you change it, it
will be very difficult for us to be difficult. Imagine if proselytism said we have to have our own
Islamic dinar and Islamic money. What would happen nowadays? What would happen? People will not be
able to use this money this paper money said No, we can't. Because of our solar system said we have
to use our Omen Subhana Allah, this is a Rama of Islam. Allah says Allah knew that people will be
different dealing with different types of money. Even our photographer they will thought about
		
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			making money out of the skin of camels
		
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			for color, Kayla hood isn't
		
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			you know, all camels will perish. And then he changed his mind.
		
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			Why did he did he because he didn't look at the nature of money itself by itself. You know, he
looked at it as a tool, if people accept it to be a tool and money made of skin of camels then let
it be anyway, but I know the problem is there is what the financial system you know with central
banks and with interest is very complicated. Sometimes when you try to read about it. Here it gets
some headache. Tyler knows
		
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			is not is not easy, is not easy, but but we have to study these things and understand them. Yes.
		
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			There are
		
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			Many of them Dow Jones, Sharia index SMP one of them in Canada SMP TSX 60 Sharia in Canada in in the
state SMP 500. In the UK footsie in Malaysia, MSCI different there are many ages go to Google
progeria indexes, Islamic indexes, you will find many.
		
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			I think you need to go through a broker, you cannot do it by yourself or through investment
companies.
		
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			However, the 16th area?
		
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			I don't know, I mean, if you deal with your broker
		
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			and what I know, well, to the best of my knowledge, it could be good news, if it happened in the
future, that there are some companies in the Gulf area, they are trying to provide platform
universal, or international platforms for international investors invest even in Islamic banks and
companies found in Qatar, Dubai, in many countries,
		
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			is already doing mobian boubyan from Kuwait, right, that and then also bank at the beginning of this
year.
		
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			Yeah. So there could be some progress in the future, you could be trading with your machine, if you
don't have an iPhone, well, I can, through different platforms that are found. The problem is with
the fees, the fees, if you are doing dealing with local companies, the fees are very small. If you
buy shares of international companies from Singapore, Malaysia, maybe other countries in the
airport, the fees could be very expensive, I think we'll lower them right.
		
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			Because all of the companies
		
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			are companies listed on
		
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			these banks don't deal with individuals, they deal with companies and they that's it you don't have
questions. One more
		
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			and I hope I understood this correctly, but
		
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			right now, just as retail investors
		
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			Yes. So
		
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			that we can cherry pick from these
		
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			indexes. And then
		
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			what I understood is that you don't have as individuals you cannot have access to that you have to
go through financial investment company or a broker is what they understand.
		
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			I was told I'm not sure about this information.
		
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			So you find company XYZ in this
		
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			and you as a retail investor
		
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			if you know that it is a index is an imaginary portfolio and it's not a company by itself. It's just
a list of companies that you can consider in in your investment. But But I my i don't know i could
be wrong about it. I was told that as an individual you don't have access to this index, you need to
go through a broker or an investment company
		
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			because even if you look for the list of these companies, the index method 60 sherea marisha one if
you look for the look for the list the updated list you don't find it I think online will loudhailer
you don't find it online. So you have to go through
		
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			a broker or investment company will at least what I you know Allah tala Teach me if I'm wrong
		
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			Yes.
		
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			Now
		
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			RSP that's a different discussion. But I said it could be your funds in the RSP could be invested
through these vehicles instead of allowing the company to invest in on your behalf in thinks that
you are not aware you don't know the nature of this investment. So you can go through this options
belong to Alan Yes.
		
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			Yeah who are either Yeah, keep quite pleased because we need to continue just two questions three
questions and will allow you to go shall
		
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			know checking account what
		
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			Do you mean checking out
		
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			all your money that is deposited in the bank is used by the bank
		
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			now
		
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			we don't have here we don't have an Islamic bank.
		
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			So, if you invest your money in a different investment you don't keep them in the bank it could be
better whether it is a hallel investment you open a store or you or you buy a property real estate
or or you go through this you know, use this criteria look for these companies and invest your money
with them it could be better than keeping your money in the bank will allow tada
		
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			credit cards brother is asking a different question.
		
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			What to say?
		
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			This is the last question shall credit cards
		
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			there are some Lula who said people living in the West because they are used, you know, people use
them on a daily basis. And some of the people who live in the state will lay in the West they cannot
carry cash and they looked at these conditions flyff and they said they could be handled with this
condition that you pay within that period of time, you don't pay interest, but this letter to my
understanding or to the best of my understanding
		
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			is not valid anymore. Because nothing and if you look at
		
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			B mo Bank of Montreal, they have a prepaid travel MasterCard, and it is prepaid it has no interest
in it. So it has all the features of credit card you can use it it's like a debit right but it is
credit card you have to put money before you use it. Okay, so you don't benefit from any loans.
They're not giving you loans and that's why you don't pay interest it's your money. But if you go to
the hotel they accepted as a rental car they accepted as a credit card. So this is an alternative a
good alternative because we have always a well established companies not like the other companies
who have prepaid credit cards there are some small companies or some stores they have you know their
		
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			they have their own prepaid cricket
		
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			but we have always a well established company and this card is Helen to us.
		
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			So this is an alternative you don't need to use credit card.
		
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			Now he told me I don't have money and have cash to pay for my expenses, that's a different story.
		
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			Then you should look for other alternatives Hello loans from friends or family members. If you
can't, then you can use the credit card to pay for your expenses but with one condition they you
		
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			Nick, you have to make sure that you'll be able to pay inshaAllah the bill before the end of the
period. This is in case you don't have resources financial you know means you don't have the
financial means you don't have enough income you have a family to spend on so you can go for this
option as a last resort. a last resort otherwise the * are credit cards are available. These are
prepaid credit cards allow Thailand he has a debit card now to the visa Yeah, but they don't accept
it in some hotels and they don't Yeah, they still look at it. Look at it as as a debit card. Yeah,
she's
		
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			now
		
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			he can use it everywhere. Yeah Jazakallah fans of Hanukkah lovehoney shadow Allah Allah Allah
subhanho wa Taala