Fahad Tasleem – Experiential Signs Spiritual Experiences & Finding the Truth

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The speakers discuss the importance of finding ways to overcome anxiety and discomfort in order to see the truth of Islam. They stress the use of "any negative experience" and the importance of finding ways to "has been around for a long time" in rational arguments. They also touch on the natural and human-made beauty of sugar and its use in various foods. The speakers briefly touch on the topic of natural and human-made beauty, with one speaker providing feedback on the topic.

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			Salam alaykum Warahmatullahi
Wabarakatuh
		
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			Bismillah R Rahman Rahim, Al hamdu
Lillahi Rabbil Alameen wa Salatu
		
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			was Salam ala Rasulillah crema my
bod. So I wanted to welcome
		
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			everyone here, to this the Sapiens
live
		
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			session, we're going to be Charles
speaking about the topic of
		
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			experiential signs, how to use
people's spiritual experiences to
		
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			help them find the truth. Now,
this particular topic, it's it,
		
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			it's of interest to me
specifically because,
		
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			you know, recently I was with
someone and I asked him, I said,
		
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			you know, if someone came to you,
and asked you to define or to
		
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			explain Islamic spirituality, how
would you do it, and I got a, and
		
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			this is a room full of what I
would say, you know, practicing
		
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			Muslims who are passionate about
their faith and so on. And they
		
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			really had a diverse range of
answers.
		
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			Whereas when I presented the
question, how would you introduce
		
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			Islam to someone, just as a
general principle, you know, they
		
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			had kind of your standardized, you
know, Tawheed, starting with
		
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			Allah, Allah is worthy of worship,
and so on, so forth. So that kind
		
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			of led me to, to really think
deeper about the concept of
		
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			spirituality within Islam, and
then how we can use spirituality
		
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			or spiritual experiences, as a
tool to invite people to encourage
		
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			people to think about the truth of
Islam. So, with that said, what
		
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			are we going to be speaking about
today? Well,
		
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			what we're going to be covering in
this topic, in today's session,
		
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			we're gonna be looking at why this
particular topic and why now, why
		
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			is it more important than ever,
that we understand this topic
		
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			in a way that we're able to
articulate it properly, that we
		
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			ourselves understand it, and that
we're inviting humanity to Islam
		
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			as it is as the normative
understanding of Islam. And we'll
		
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			get into that in a second. Because
one of the things that I'll be
		
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			reasoning, what I'll be speaking
about is that a normative
		
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			understanding of Islam devoid of a
concept of spirituality, is in
		
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			fact, not really an appropriate
method. Because it is only giving
		
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			someone a piecemeal understanding
of Islam, it's not holistic. Okay.
		
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			But I'll get into that. So we're
going to start off with
		
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			understanding why this topic and
why now. So we'll look at it,
		
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			we'll look at our contemporary
world, we'll look at specifically
		
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			spirituality and spiritual
experiences, how people are
		
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			craving, deeper spirituality and
so on. Then the second part, we
		
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			will move on to or the second
section, we're going to looking at
		
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			our current approaches, when we as
Muslims, or people that are
		
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			interested in inviting people to
the truth, inviting people to
		
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			Islam? What are the current
approaches that are that are being
		
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			used? And how are they you know,
how do they compare with a more
		
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			holistic understanding of Islam?
And where can we perhaps improve
		
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			in that, we're then going to move
on to the concept of Islamic
		
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			spirituality itself. Like I
mentioned, I had, I had a
		
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			conversation with, with a group of
people and, and I asked him what
		
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			Islamic spirituality was, and
there's such a diversity of
		
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			answers, that it will I was a bit
taken aback even though, you know,
		
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			if I asked some of you what is
Islamic spirituality, you might
		
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			actually be able to give a pretty
succinct, pithy answer, and say,
		
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			Well, this is Islamic
spirituality. But nevertheless, I
		
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			think it's important that we
ourselves if if it's true, that we
		
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			can use spirituality, and
spiritual people spiritual
		
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			experiences, as a way to call
people to the truth, to invite
		
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			people to Islam, then it's very
important that we ourselves, have
		
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			a good understanding of what
Islamic spirituality is, so that
		
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			that's what we'll cover in the
third section. Now,
		
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			after understanding what Islamic
spirituality is, we're going to
		
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			look at the ontology of the soul.
And what I mean here, in fact, is
		
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			more perhaps it should be better
titled The ontology of the human
		
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			being. Because while we understand
we may understand, a conceptually
		
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			what Islamic spirituality is, if
we don't understand the nature of
		
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			the human being, and its and its
in his connection with the soul
		
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			and the body and so on and so
forth. Our excuse me, our
		
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			understanding, may be one that is
not we're not able to articulate
		
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			Islamic spirituality as it should
be.
		
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			articulated. So we'll get into
that. In the fourth section. The
		
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			fifth section, we're going to take
an example of a spiritual
		
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			experience, in the sense that one
of the we'll look at a couple of
		
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			approaches of how to use spiritual
experiences, one of those
		
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			approaches is going to be, how can
we invite people to spiritual acts
		
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			that we as Muslims do, and to
partake in those acts and partake,
		
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			partake in some of those acts,
with a good understanding of
		
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			Islamic spirituality. So we'll
have an example of one of those
		
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			spiritual experiences, or
spiritual acts, let's say, that
		
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			are inside the Islamic paradigm
Islamic worldview. The second
		
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			thing would be What about someone
that has their own spiritual
		
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			experience? A Christian has their
spiritual experience or Buddhist
		
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			has their spiritual experiences?
How do we then deal with that? And
		
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			how do we use that as a means to
call people to the truth or invite
		
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			people to Islam? So that's in
general, that's the that's where
		
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			we'll be going in this particular
presentation inshallah. So I ask
		
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			Allah subhanho, wa taala, to make
it a means to our betterment both
		
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			in this dunya and the Astra and
ask Allah subhanho wa taala, to
		
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			accept it from all of us, and all
of you that are out there in sha
		
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			Allah. Okay, so why this talk? And
why now? Well, one of the things
		
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			that we see that within the modern
world, you find that people have a
		
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			multiple have have had many, many
distractions, have many things
		
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			that have that are part and parcel
of the modern world, that cause
		
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			the human being, to almost live a
type of encircle insular, cerebral
		
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			cold life, right. So we in the
modern world, we have access to a
		
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			lot of information right at our
fingertips, we have access to
		
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			comforts and things that we would
consider, you know, very, you
		
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			know, certain eases within the
modern world that we could never
		
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			imagine, you know, 5060 100 200
years ago. So, a lot of those
		
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			aspects of the modern world,
		
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			many would argue that, that causes
the human being a type of
		
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			discomfort. So you could be on
your cell phone, and you could be,
		
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			you know, let's say, looking for
that, that particular text or you
		
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			receive a certain text, you put
your phone down, but then you get
		
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			a notification. And, you know,
research is research has shown
		
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			that that notification is somewhat
more or less equivalent to
		
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			getting,
		
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			you know, it's the phenomena of
getting a notification is, is
		
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			similar, somewhat similar to
taking a type of drug or having a
		
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			type of high. So you know, the
same phenomena occurs within the
		
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			the, the the chemicals within the
brain. And so when you get that
		
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			text, you're looking for the next
text, or the next email or the
		
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			next and the notifications prompt,
that's your constant looking from
		
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			one social media outlet to another
one email account to another. And
		
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			so this process keeps on going.
But the reality is, is that while
		
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			you get that first dopamine shot,
that, again, is some research,
		
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			many researchers will say that's
equivalent to certain drugs that
		
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			also give Don't you know, that,
that that excrete dopamine
		
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			that it's not satisfying. And so I
think, the researcher and so you
		
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			can see here, within the images,
you've got, obviously, the gaming
		
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			on the cell phone, that's a cause
for this insular, you know,
		
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			atomized lifestyle in the modern
world. But not only that, just the
		
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			phenomena of the modern world as
well, in the sense that you have
		
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			things that happen around the
world, that can also cause a
		
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			person to be unstable internally,
in the sense that they're looking
		
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			for something deeper when it comes
to their life, meaning and so on
		
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			and so forth. So you have wars
around the world, for instance,
		
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			that are proliferating, and, you
know, that are happening all the
		
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			time, you have certain social
causes that, that add to this type
		
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			of anxiety, where a person is
looking for a deeper meaning or
		
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			deeper understanding of themselves
and the world that they live in.
		
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			And just the phenomena of the the
environment of us having a type of
		
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			consumer mentality, where it's
going from one product to the next
		
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			buying one thing to the next. And
I think it's summarized really
		
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			well, just the phenomena of
modernity with this statement from
		
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			Lawrence shammies. And he writes
in the hunger for more searching
		
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			for values and an agent
		
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			Read, he says, consumption without
excuses, and without the need of
		
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			justification. And so here he's
talking about a, a certain
		
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			phenomena of the modern world, and
that has to do with consumption.
		
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			And so he says consumption without
excuses and without the need for
		
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			justification.
		
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			The beauty part was that it
finessed the irksome question of
		
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			values and purpose. So during the
past decade, during the past
		
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			decade, many people came to
believe that there didn't have to
		
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			be a purpose. The mechanism didn't
require it. In other words, the
		
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			consumer mechanism didn't require
that you needed a teleology you
		
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			didn't need a purpose, and meaning
and all these deeper things like
		
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			the the idea of consumerism, or
the idea of the modern world, you
		
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			could do away with any concept of,
you know, what happens next, what
		
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			are what are things are things
meaningful, is there a purpose to
		
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			my existence, my life, and so on,
so forth. So what he's stating is,
		
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			during the past decade, many
people came to believe that there
		
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			didn't have to be a purpose, the
mechanism didn't require it,
		
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			consumption kept the workers
working, which kept the paychecks
		
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			coming, which kept the people
spending, which kept the investors
		
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			investing, which meant that there
was more to consume. The system,
		
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			properly understood was
independent of values and needed
		
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			no philosophy to prop it up. It
was a perfect circle. It was a
		
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			perfect circle, complete in
itself, but empty in the middle.
		
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			And I think it's very profound,
how he how he explained that
		
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			because in our, you know, in our
day and age, we see more and more
		
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			people feeling that emptiness and
feeling that idea that yes, I can
		
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			go to work and come back and, and
you know, and eat my TV dinner and
		
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			sit in front of Netflix and chill,
and whatever it might be. But all
		
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			of this is just a rat race that
goes round and round every day is,
		
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			you know, just another day. And so
that emptiness starts to now not
		
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			at the human being. Now, because
that emptiness starts to not that
		
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			human being
		
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			we have to ask like, well, what is
that thing that's knowing that the
		
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			human being what is it that, you
know, what does that
		
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			dissatisfaction and the, the ninth
century scholar
		
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			in hasm
		
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			Andalusi he was a Muslim
theologian, he was a, you know,
		
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			you'd say, a polymath, very
erudite scholar, who comes out of
		
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			Muslim Spain, in the in the ninth
century. And he has this stage,
		
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			which I thought was very profound.
He said, I have tried to find one
		
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			goal, which everyone would agree
would be excellent and worthy of
		
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			being striven after I found only
one.
		
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			It's what was that goal? He says,
to be free of hub? And how am I
		
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			given, I've given a brute brief
translation, your anxiety, but I'm
		
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			gonna speak about that in a second
as well. So he says, dispelling
		
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			hum is a goal upon which all
nations agree. In the case of
		
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			every other objective, there will
always be some people who do not
		
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			desire it. For example, there are
some who have no interest in
		
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			amassing a fortune fortune,
preferring abstinence to
		
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			ownership. So his understanding
and his prognosis of the problem
		
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			is that that thing that's needed
that whole within the human being,
		
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			is that the problem that that
people are feeling, feeling is the
		
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			problem of him. So what does he
mean by Hummer? What does the word
		
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			hum mean? So, lanes lexicon,
defines it as follows. That hum is
		
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			anxiety, that's kind of a one word
answer or disquietude, or trouble
		
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			of mind. And this is very
important because what we're going
		
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			to see as we move forward, is that
one of the things that Islamic
		
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			spirituality provides is a type of
freeing from a trouble of the soul
		
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			and the trouble of the mind and
what exactly speaking about So,
		
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			coming back to the definition of
hum, he says, hum is anxiety or
		
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			disquietude, trouble or trouble of
the mind, solicitude care or grief
		
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			or sorrow, distress or disquietude
affecting the heart or mind by
		
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			reason of some harm or annoyance
that is expected to happen and
		
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			this is a really important
distinction between hum and the
		
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			hum. So he says and he actually
mentioned that next he says
		
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			differing from lum which signifies
distress or disquietude affecting
		
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			the heart or mind by reason of
what has happened. So we noticed
		
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			that you have this concept of
certain occurrences that are
		
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			happening or what have
		
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			happened in the past, let's say
that is what you will call him
		
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			when you're you feel something
about things that have happened
		
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			happened in the past. But what hum
really is, is this idea when you
		
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			start reflecting upon what's
happening to now and what's going
		
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			to happen in the future. And we
start looking at the future and
		
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			saying, it's all just empty. I'm
just a cog in a machine. Right.
		
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			And I personally think that in the
COVID environment, where many of
		
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			us were truly atomized in the
sense that we had this existence
		
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			that became extremely insular and
solitary, we were very alone. In
		
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			many cases, that this, this idea
of hum became exacerbated, we felt
		
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			more of it, right. And so hum, as
opposed to hum hum is related to
		
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			that, which is about your current
situation, or the future, when you
		
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			look to the future, and it's
bleak. You've just day in day out.
		
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			So where does a person go? And
where's the deeper satisfaction
		
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			and deeper? You know, like,
where's this all going? And like I
		
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			said, as opposed to thumb, which
is things that happened in the
		
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			past, or occurrences that happen
the death of a loved one, whatever
		
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			it might be. So you have we have
this problem. It's, it's it's
		
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			reached, you know, a very extreme
level in the modern day and age,
		
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			right.
		
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			So now enter the modern gurus,
obviously, if there's a problem,
		
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			you're going to find people
rushing to give a solution to that
		
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			problem, and truth. And so what I
have here is a picture of a number
		
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			of prominent, you can say, modern
gurus. So you know, and I'm sure
		
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			you recognize some of them, at
least right here in here in
		
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			Houston, you've got Joel Olsteen,
he's a Christian preacher. But a
		
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			lot of his talk is all about, you
know, you and hope and you know,
		
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			that you can do it and you can you
can get there by the will of
		
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			Jesus, and so on and so forth. And
so, you know, he's, he's, he's
		
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			giving this deeper solution, which
what you'll notice is when you
		
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			hear when, when he's speaking,
he's not necessarily giving very
		
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			robust,
		
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			deep academic arguments or deep
academic dissertations about how
		
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			to solve this emptiness, but a lot
of it is almost you can say, super
		
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			superficial, superficial talk, you
know, just Kalam, folly, as they
		
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			say, right. But yet it kind of
inspires people. So every Sunday,
		
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			people would come to the church or
tune in on TV, and he would have
		
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			these messages of hope and the
future and it's bright, and Jesus
		
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			is with you, and so on and so
forth. For with what goal or what
		
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			understanding the understanding
that humans in our in modernity
		
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			are craving that. Similarly, you
have a YouTube sensation, I would
		
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			say Sadhguru. Now he's coming from
an Indian paradigm, let's say a
		
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			Hindu paradigm. And so but yet,
what is he presenting, it's all
		
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			about the self and sitting still
solitude and all of these various
		
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			ideas. Again, it's there because
he understands, like Joel Osteen
		
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			understands that there is this
human need, and human beings are
		
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			craving this, especially in
modernity. And of course, the last
		
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			one is Tony Robbins. So you're
talking about, you know, someone
		
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			that is outside the context of a
religion, or a specific
		
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			philosophy, but it's just more of
that, you know, self help feel
		
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			good, you can do it and the future
is yours, and so on and so forth.
		
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			Now, that being the case,
		
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			what we want to ask, is, what
where does Islam fit into all of
		
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			this, like when we want to invite
people to Islam, there is a deeper
		
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			spiritual need. There is a deeper
spiritual calling that people
		
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			have, there is a disquietude,
there's anxiety, there is a a hum,
		
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			and what is very unfortunate is
that within our tradition, we have
		
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			a deeply spiritual tradition. But
when we look at our own approaches
		
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			to how we deal with the concept of
Dawa, or inviting people to the
		
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			truth, or encouraging people, or
helping someone to find the truth,
		
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			we find that many times it's
almost cold and clinical. Because
		
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			we are so focused on the argument,
or we're so focused on you know, a
		
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			type of that we want to make Islam
just be very rational. And so
		
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			we're going to now employ various
means of discursive reasoning to
		
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			say look, you have, you know,
premise a premise b therefore, C,
		
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			that sometimes when
		
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			We miss out on the fact that we're
not talking to a machine. But
		
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			we're talking to a human being
that has a multitude of emotions,
		
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			and psychospiritual states and
opinions and and worldviews,
		
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			paradigms, cultures and so much
that goes on within the human
		
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			project. And we tend to hyper
focus, many of us tend to hyper
		
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			focus on one element that almost
makes Islam seem just, again,
		
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			cold, cerebral clinical, so
therefore, we have this human
		
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			machine, and we're going to input
certain information. So we have
		
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			information, Allah is one, the
only one where the worship
		
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			Mohammed Salah Salem, Prusa,
prophethood, that are the shahada
		
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			right now they've been guided,
when in reality, we may be missing
		
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			the bigger picture. So what I
wanted to look at next was
		
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			comparing our or in many circles,
the current environment, or the
		
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			current understanding of what
people generally think Tao is, or
		
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			what people think, sharing Islam
is, or, or sharing the truth, or
		
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			inviting someone to the truth, or
helping someone finding the truth,
		
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			what is somewhat prevalent, and
perhaps this has to do with the
		
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			modern age itself, that we
ourselves are affected by that
		
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			sort of consumer, you know, cold,
cerebral, you know, view of the
		
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			world, that we've been kind of put
into the position where we, we
		
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			have limited the invitation to
Islam to just debate and just, you
		
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			know, kind of being able to show
the superiority of Islam by
		
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			putting down another person or
whatever it might be. And again,
		
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			you're gonna see this and I'm not
knocking debate in its entirety,
		
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			obviously, that has a benefit. It
has a you know, there's certain
		
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			times when when when debate is
necessary, but a lot of times we
		
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			have now become myopic in how we
understand inviting someone to the
		
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			truth. So it goes from this kind
of caring, warm,
		
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			you know, welcoming phenomena, to
one that becomes almost cold, a
		
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			truce, almost, you know, that
it's, it's, it's just full of
		
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			debate, right? It's full of kind
of just argumentation didn't
		
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			write. Yet when we look at it,
we're actually inviting a complete
		
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			human being. So we're so the two
approaches, we can you have one
		
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			that's quite prevalent, which we
will call functionalism. Right? So
		
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			functionalism, it's more it's
represented by that robot that's
		
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			on the my right side of the
screen. So functionalism is a view
		
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			of the human being that has a type
of understanding of the person
		
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			you're speaking to, to be like a
robot. So what is the robot is
		
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			programmed, right? So there's an
input, there's an output, there's
		
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			no sort of reflection or
contemplation. It's, there's no
		
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			feeling no emotions, it's just you
have you know, a certain input,
		
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			certain premises, certain
conclusion, deductive reasoning,
		
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			you know, discursive reasoning,
whatever it might be, and then
		
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			boom, you have an output. But in
reality, the human being is not
		
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			just pre programmed, and does not
lack reflection, contemplation,
		
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			feelings, and emotion. Rather, the
human being is a complex network
		
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			of the upper right, the intellect,
the knifes the desires, and you
		
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			know that that base base desires,
the rule, the spirit, or the soul,
		
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			within the human being, that
consciousness, the ULb, the heart,
		
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			the fitrah, as we're gonna speak
about, and that this human being
		
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			is extremely deep and extremely
multi varied, and it has a, it's
		
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			very complex. So, when we look at
these, the human being, even when
		
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			we look at our tradition, Allah
subhanaw taala, when describing
		
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			the human being doesn't just say
that this is a thinking being. Now
		
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			I'm not saying Allah subhanaw
taala doesn't mention that we are
		
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			thinking beings, of course, we're
always encouraged to think, to
		
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			ponder of Allah taki Luna, do they
not use the reasoning, but Allah
		
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			describes the human being in many
ways, and some of those ways have
		
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			to do with that hum with that
disquietude and the reasons for
		
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			that disquietude. So for example,
how does Allah describe the human
		
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			being, he says in one in that
first ayah that I mentioned here,
		
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			what canel Insano acciara che in
general, the human being loves to
		
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			argue,
		
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			you know, in another, another
place in the Quran, suitable calf,
		
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			Allah subhanho wa Taala says Wilma
ot terminal en mi Illa kalila.
		
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			We've only given you a just a
minuscule little bit of knowledge.
		
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			And so with that little
		
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			knowledge, how does Allah describe
the human being? Went loves to
		
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			argue, right? Little bit of
knowledge, but based on that
		
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			little bit of knowledge, loves to
argue, that's just, you know,
		
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			whether the person, you know, do
they know the entirety of the
		
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			other human being they're speaking
to do they know their complete
		
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			background? Do they know that this
person was abused as a child,
		
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			whatever it might be all the
background, the human being loves
		
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			to argue, right? The human being
is in haste, what kind of insanity
		
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			are Jhula? Right, that the human
being is constantly in a hurry,
		
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			that rat race I was speaking
about, that's, you know, something
		
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			that we you know, that things we
want things done quickly, and
		
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			immediately. And so now it's just
we're always in this rat race,
		
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			this idea of just taking some time
out and calming oneself to think
		
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			deeper when someone is in that
circle that I was speaking about
		
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			earlier, or that Lauren shammies
was speaking about earlier, that
		
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			being caught up in that circle.
It's part of the human condition.
		
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			The human being is anxious again,
anxiety hum, right? In Al Insana,
		
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			holy, holy call Hulu are indeed
the human being is created
		
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			anxious, right, mankind is an
ingredient in decrease anxious,
		
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			either Messiah who shall rouges
who are, and when some sort of
		
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			evil touches him, right, this goes
back to home versus home, what
		
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			sort of evil touches him, he's
impatient? Oh, man, this is like
		
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			my world is about to be destroyed,
I don't know what's going to
		
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			happen. And all of these, you
know, my role has come crumbling
		
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			down. But then what happens when
good comes? What either must sell
		
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			hadal Manu, ah, but when that good
comes, they withhold it, they get
		
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			greedy with it, right? And such is
the human being right little bit
		
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			of knowledge, and making
conclusions arguing argumentative,
		
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			you know, being impatient, being
anxious, withholding good, you
		
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			know, being very impatient when
evil touches the human being, the
		
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			human being is complex, right?
		
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			Okay, so coming to these two,
these two concepts, we're talking
		
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			about Tao of functionalism. So a
functional approach to the Dow
		
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			addresses a human being with, with
a mind that functions as a series
		
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			of inputs and outputs. So it
basically approach the human being
		
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			as a computer. What's the
assumption here, the assumption
		
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			is, is that Dow is based on
abstract rational arguments, and
		
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			that they are sufficient to
produce the results. Alright, so
		
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			it's similar to an algorithm. So
you have these, you know,
		
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			algorithms that you basically put
out. And so the, or you have
		
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			algorithms, you know, much like
how the internet works today,
		
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			right? There's a series of
algorithms. And that's how they
		
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			kind of give a,
		
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			an avatar. So social media works
by making avatars. And then they
		
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			basically look at your your, your,
your buying preferences, where do
		
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			you live? What is your age?
		
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			You know, what is your political
affiliation? What are your some of
		
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			your opinions, and all of that
data, data is gathered together.
		
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			And then there is an avatar that's
created, so and so therefore, and
		
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			then you have algorithms, you have
information that comes together
		
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			with this avatar, to then target
you as a human being. But this is
		
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			a very good, cold cerebral
approach.
		
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			And much of the time when we are
inviting people to Islam, our
		
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			approach is very similar, right?
So this approach fails to address
		
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			the human in a holistic way. Human
beings are not only rational. In
		
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			fact, there are a dynamic
interplay between emotions,
		
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			psychology, cognitive faculties,
you know, and I would add to that
		
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			spirituality were psycho
spiritual, emotive beings.
		
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			Let's compare that now looking at
that and comparing them
		
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			juxtaposing that with Tao holism
that will holism and holistic
		
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			approach to the Dawa, that
addresses the human being, as he
		
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			is, as the human being is, Allah
knows the human being better than
		
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			we know, the human being, right.
So we created us. That being said,
		
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			we understand that the human being
has an intellect, it has a heart,
		
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			it has a fitrah as we'll get into
in a second, it has enough a body
		
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			a rule, and so on, so forth. Okay.
So, let's now start. So if that's
		
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			the case, if we understand that,
that, that the human being is a
		
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			complex interplay of emotions and
psycho spiritual states, and
		
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			culture and background, and
cognition, so I don't want to, you
		
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			know, basically say that cognition
has no part to play. Obviously,
		
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			the human being has cognitive
faculties. And using those
		
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			cognitive faculties will become
very important, especially when we
		
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			get to the end of today's live
seminar. And we speak about the
		
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			various understandings of
spiritual experiences, because we
		
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			can't just do away with cognition,
but at the same time, we cannot
		
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			just hyper focus on cognition
itself with and leave off
		
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			For the rest of the of the of the
human, emotive psychospiritual
		
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			interplay. So let's let's take a
brief look at the human being and
		
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			I say brief because we have
covered a lot of these topics and
		
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			other
		
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			other courses that that are that
are available on YouTube, and
		
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			other sapient thoughts series that
I know myself I've done. So I'm
		
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			going to briefly look at the
construct of the human being to
		
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			give us a good idea about what is
the human being, right what what
		
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			do we mean by the human being from
an Islamic paradigm. So the first
		
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			thing we understand, the Prophet
Muhammad sallallahu alayhi wa
		
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			sallam said mobbin mo looting Illa
EULA do Al and Phaedra. There is
		
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			no child that is born except that
they are born upon the fitrah his
		
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			parents then make him a Jew, a
Christian or Meijin. As an animal
		
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			delivers a child with limbs
intact, do you detect any flaw?
		
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			And so one of the first things we
understand about the human being
		
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			when we're speaking about what are
he was the human right? You can
		
00:31:09 --> 00:31:12
			even say that we're talking about
the anthropology, not
		
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			anthropology, as we understand it
in Western academia, but who are
		
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			what is the human? So from that
perspective, understand, one of
		
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			the first things is that every
single human being is born upon
		
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			the fitrah. Now, what do we mean
by the term fitrah. So if you've
		
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			heard,
		
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			you know, any sort of talks or
live streams from Sapiens, you
		
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			know, you know, and if you've been
following Sapiens, you know, that
		
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			we speak about this very often. So
that's why I don't spend too much
		
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			time on it. But for purposes of
today's live stream, I'm just
		
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			gonna present a working
definition, I've actually
		
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			presented this in a lot more
detail in in the sapient thought
		
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			series called The Human Project.
So if you'd like more information,
		
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			you can you can check it out
there. But for today's for today's
		
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			purposes, the working definition
will say is the original, what is
		
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			the fitrah it is the original
normative disposition, and I'm
		
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			using three words their original
normative disposition. So the
		
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			first what this hadith tells us is
that it is original it is the
		
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			original way in which Allah
created the human being, the term
		
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			fitrah is what we call an Israel
here in terms of if you study
		
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			Arabic grammar, which signifies
how something is or the way
		
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			something is, so you have similar
terms like you have obviously
		
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			fifth or up you have a Hilda the
way something is created Jinsol
		
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			the way the sitting how someone
sits or the sitting or the
		
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			gathering, then you have the one
that many Muslims are familiar
		
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			with Qibla the way you turn the
direction, you turn, Qibla fitrah,
		
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			you know, Giemsa, Hilkiah, and so
on. So these terms are about the
		
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			way the original state and the
original normative disposition. So
		
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			here what we're saying when we're
looking at the Hadith of the
		
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			Prophet Salam, that originally
This is how Allah subhanaw taala
		
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			created the human being was upon
the fitrah it is an original
		
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			state. Okay. Second, so we talked
about original, original normative
		
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			disposition. Allah subhanho wa
Taala says for us in what Hagel it
		
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			Dini Hanifa, so direct your face
towards the religion inclining to
		
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			truth hear, Hanifa or Hanif, it's
just it's this idea of inclining
		
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			towards the truth. The term Hanif
it's a bit difficult to translate.
		
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			And then Allah says, fifth Allah
Hill, Lady Fatima, Nas Alia, it is
		
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			the fitrah, right of the fitrah of
Allah, the fitrah, that Allah
		
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			subhanho wa Taala created all
people. And then Allah says lattre
		
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			de la, de la, there is no change,
no change, there'll be the
		
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			creation of Allah. In other words,
this
		
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			this state are this original,
primordial state of the human
		
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			being, that it doesn't, it cannot
be replaced with something
		
00:34:03 --> 00:34:06
			altogether. So the word here just
very quickly, for those who might
		
00:34:06 --> 00:34:11
			be interested, the word here is
the V. So had the word been to
		
00:34:11 --> 00:34:14
			hear in other words, to change
that, we would say that the fitrah
		
00:34:14 --> 00:34:19
			itself cannot be changed cannot be
corrupted. But the deal means to
		
00:34:19 --> 00:34:23
			take something and completely
replace it. And so therefore, the
		
00:34:23 --> 00:34:27
			fitrah there can be changed. It
can be affected as we're going to
		
00:34:27 --> 00:34:33
			see it can be clouded, but it can
never be completely replaced.
		
00:34:33 --> 00:34:36
			There's no Wi Fi in the hulk of
Allah, right. It's not the deal in
		
00:34:36 --> 00:34:41
			the federal. So. So this is the
way that Allah created the human
		
00:34:41 --> 00:34:44
			being, like I said, the fifth,
right, the self, the term itself
		
00:34:44 --> 00:34:49
			is is Malaya which means you know,
it is the way the direction how
		
00:34:49 --> 00:34:51
			Allah created something. The
second term there, which I
		
00:34:51 --> 00:34:55
			mentioned, was normative. And when
we say normative, what we're
		
00:34:55 --> 00:34:58
			speaking about, here, we can we
can compare it to the term
		
00:34:58 --> 00:34:59
			descriptive. Okay,
		
00:35:00 --> 00:35:03
			Okay, so just bear with me for a
minute. When we talk about
		
00:35:03 --> 00:35:08
			something normative, we're saying
how something should be, how, how
		
00:35:08 --> 00:35:13
			is it in, let's say, reality? What
is the normal way of understanding
		
00:35:13 --> 00:35:18
			something? Descriptive is how
others may describe that
		
00:35:18 --> 00:35:21
			particular thing. So if we, let's
say, we want to take a normative
		
00:35:21 --> 00:35:25
			understanding of Islam. It's
basically how Islam describes
		
00:35:25 --> 00:35:29
			itself. What does Islam say about
itself? If we want to take a
		
00:35:29 --> 00:35:33
			descriptive understanding of
Islam, that would mean, well,
		
00:35:33 --> 00:35:37
			let's present Islam to someone in
let's say, Midland, Texas, and
		
00:35:37 --> 00:35:40
			what is their perception of Islam?
They may say, oh, you know, Islam
		
00:35:40 --> 00:35:45
			is just a whole bunch of rules.
And there's people that, you know,
		
00:35:45 --> 00:35:47
			that commit terrorist acts or
whatever it might be, that's a
		
00:35:47 --> 00:35:50
			descriptive way of looking at it.
But what does Islam say about
		
00:35:50 --> 00:35:55
			itself? What is the normative
normal understanding, right? So
		
00:35:55 --> 00:35:59
			you have normative, that which is
kind of the the reality or kind of
		
00:35:59 --> 00:36:03
			the normal way something is, and
then you have that which is away
		
00:36:03 --> 00:36:07
			from that. So the way the human
being is, as it was originally
		
00:36:07 --> 00:36:13
			created to be the normative state,
right, as it is, as Allah created
		
00:36:13 --> 00:36:16
			it, this is the second part of our
definition. So the original
		
00:36:16 --> 00:36:21
			normative, and then we'll move on
to the third point. And that is
		
00:36:21 --> 00:36:25
			disposition. So in other words,
there's a certain disposition that
		
00:36:25 --> 00:36:30
			the human being has, that there's,
it was original, it's normative as
		
00:36:30 --> 00:36:34
			it should be, right? And by the
way, this term, just to maybe
		
00:36:34 --> 00:36:39
			elucidate it a little more. The
term normative is quite prevalent
		
00:36:39 --> 00:36:43
			in our current culture as well, at
least within current Western
		
00:36:43 --> 00:36:46
			culture, when we are dealing with
		
00:36:47 --> 00:36:51
			you know, things like gender
issues, things like the LGBTQ
		
00:36:51 --> 00:36:53
			issues and things like that,
because they speak about
		
00:36:53 --> 00:36:58
			normative. So if you said your sis
normative, for instance, sis
		
00:36:58 --> 00:37:02
			normative means that you believe
that there are two genders you
		
00:37:02 --> 00:37:05
			believe that is normal, that is
the normative normal way that the
		
00:37:05 --> 00:37:09
			human being is that there are two
genders. Similarly, you may say
		
00:37:09 --> 00:37:12
			that you are heteronormative, you
believe that the normal state of
		
00:37:12 --> 00:37:14
			the human being is one of
heterosexuality, as opposed to
		
00:37:14 --> 00:37:18
			homosexuality, and so on and so
forth. So from that perspective,
		
00:37:18 --> 00:37:20
			it just kind of elucidates the
point of what we mean by
		
00:37:20 --> 00:37:25
			normative, the normal way in which
Allah subhanaw taala created, and
		
00:37:25 --> 00:37:29
			that normal way has a disposition.
Now, there's two main views
		
00:37:29 --> 00:37:32
			related to this particular
disposition. And that is, number
		
00:37:32 --> 00:37:39
			one, that this fitrah it contains
primary inborn knowledge of
		
00:37:39 --> 00:37:42
			Allah's existence, and that he
deserves to be worshipped, right.
		
00:37:42 --> 00:37:46
			And it includes some basic morals
as well, that we are born with
		
00:37:46 --> 00:37:50
			this right. The second opinion
amongst our theologians is that
		
00:37:51 --> 00:37:54
			the fitrah does not contain
knowledge itself. But it contains
		
00:37:54 --> 00:37:58
			the you can say it is the means by
which you can get to knowledge and
		
00:37:58 --> 00:38:01
			you can get to truth, it directs
one towards the truth, right?
		
00:38:01 --> 00:38:05
			There's a potency that one has
that's disposed towards a
		
00:38:05 --> 00:38:09
			recognition of Allah, and that he
alone is worthy of worship. So the
		
00:38:09 --> 00:38:14
			fitrah itself has a potency within
it to recognize God and a
		
00:38:14 --> 00:38:18
			propensity or that it's primed to
worship Allah subhanho wa Taala
		
00:38:18 --> 00:38:24
			alone. So now, whichever opinion
one takes, we can understand that
		
00:38:24 --> 00:38:27
			that fitrah your original
normative disposition,
		
00:38:28 --> 00:38:33
			when it comes to, you know, the
the world that we live in, when it
		
00:38:33 --> 00:38:37
			comes to modernity, when it comes
to being brought up in a household
		
00:38:37 --> 00:38:42
			that's, let's say, have a
different worldview, this fitrah
		
00:38:42 --> 00:38:48
			can become clouded. And so when
that hitter has clouded, you find
		
00:38:48 --> 00:38:54
			that the objective of the person
of the one who's interested in
		
00:38:54 --> 00:38:59
			guiding the person back to the
truth is to deal with those clouds
		
00:38:59 --> 00:39:03
			to remove those clouds, to have
the person that they've moved away
		
00:39:03 --> 00:39:08
			from that original normative
disposition, and bring them back
		
00:39:09 --> 00:39:13
			to that true normative original
normative disposition that
		
00:39:13 --> 00:39:17
			primordial state of theirs. That
is true and how Allah subhanaw
		
00:39:17 --> 00:39:23
			taala. How Allah subhanho wa Taala
created the human being. So how is
		
00:39:23 --> 00:39:26
			this done? What is the process by
which we do this and this is at
		
00:39:26 --> 00:39:30
			its core, this is what Tao is
about. This is what you know,
		
00:39:30 --> 00:39:34
			helping someone find the truth is
about it's about unclouded, the
		
00:39:34 --> 00:39:40
			fifth. So, that being said, there
are a number of ways that one can
		
00:39:40 --> 00:39:45
			uncover the Phaedra right, one of
those is revelation, being exposed
		
00:39:45 --> 00:39:50
			to the Quran, being exposed to the
beauty of the Quran, the you know,
		
00:39:50 --> 00:39:54
			the auditory beauty of the Quran,
the cadence of the Quran, the
		
00:39:54 --> 00:39:58
			words of the Quran, the deeper
meanings of the Quran, reflecting
		
00:39:58 --> 00:39:59
			upon the Quran, and so on and so
forth.
		
00:40:00 --> 00:40:04
			or even just the, you know, the
acoustics of the Quran can also
		
00:40:04 --> 00:40:08
			have a an effect on removing the
clouds or removing these types of
		
00:40:08 --> 00:40:12
			clouds on the fitrah rational
arguments. And this becomes really
		
00:40:12 --> 00:40:14
			important. So when really
important when we're speaking
		
00:40:14 --> 00:40:19
			about Dow holism versus Dow or
functionalism, rational arguments,
		
00:40:19 --> 00:40:22
			again, we're not just throwing
them on the side, but we're saying
		
00:40:22 --> 00:40:30
			they are not. They are a way to
remove the clouds upon the federal
		
00:40:30 --> 00:40:34
			right one of but it's not the end
all and be all right. So rational
		
00:40:34 --> 00:40:37
			arguments, we're not putting them
aside, but they can be a means to
		
00:40:37 --> 00:40:42
			removing the removing the clouds
upon the federal spiritualities.
		
00:40:42 --> 00:40:43
			What we're going to be speaking
about today are spiritual
		
00:40:44 --> 00:40:48
			experiences, one's character, how
you approach the person speaking
		
00:40:48 --> 00:40:52
			to critical thinking, how a person
can, you know, kind of think
		
00:40:52 --> 00:40:56
			critically about things,
experiences, experiencing the
		
00:40:56 --> 00:40:59
			natural world experiencing beauty,
positive experiences, negative
		
00:40:59 --> 00:41:05
			experiences, and so on. All of
that can be ways to unclouded
		
00:41:05 --> 00:41:09
			fitrah. And the reason these
clouds come upon the fifth route,
		
00:41:09 --> 00:41:12
			or the barriers come upon the
fifth, or the fifth rise is kind
		
00:41:12 --> 00:41:15
			of moved from its original
normative disposition to somewhere
		
00:41:15 --> 00:41:19
			else. The reason that happens a
lot, you know, there's a number of
		
00:41:19 --> 00:41:22
			reasons. So number one, it can be
one's upbringing, one's
		
00:41:22 --> 00:41:25
			environment, it can also be sins,
as we're going to see when we
		
00:41:26 --> 00:41:28
			speak about the ontology of the
soul. And there's a number of
		
00:41:28 --> 00:41:33
			reasons these clouds for point
being is that one of the ways in
		
00:41:33 --> 00:41:37
			which these clouds can be taken
off that you can guide a person or
		
00:41:37 --> 00:41:42
			help someone find the truth is by
spiritual experiences, is by
		
00:41:42 --> 00:41:47
			understanding spirituality and,
and inviting people to experience
		
00:41:47 --> 00:41:52
			certain spiritual practices, and
also giving the person an
		
00:41:52 --> 00:41:54
			explanation of spiritual
experiences that they've had,
		
00:41:54 --> 00:41:59
			which may be an alternative to the
explanation that they think is
		
00:42:01 --> 00:42:04
			that they think is the correct
explanation, and we'll get into
		
00:42:04 --> 00:42:08
			that a little bit later. Okay, so
let's start off with this. What is
		
00:42:08 --> 00:42:10
			Islamic spirituality?
		
00:42:11 --> 00:42:12
			All right, so now
		
00:42:14 --> 00:42:17
			I wanted to ask you guys make it
somewhat interactive. If someone
		
00:42:17 --> 00:42:20
			asked you what is Islamic
spirituality? What would you say?
		
00:42:22 --> 00:42:26
			Give me some on YouTube here. What
are some of the
		
00:42:27 --> 00:42:30
			what like, how do you define
Islamic spirituality? Someone
		
00:42:30 --> 00:42:33
			says, Okay, does Islam have
spirituality? What What does Islam
		
00:42:33 --> 00:42:37
			say about spirituality? What do
you think? smuggler?
		
00:42:44 --> 00:42:45
			Maybe I
		
00:42:49 --> 00:42:50
			Okay.
		
00:42:54 --> 00:42:54
			Okay.
		
00:42:56 --> 00:42:57
			So
		
00:42:58 --> 00:43:01
			that's very good. As you someone
hit the nail right on the head.
		
00:43:01 --> 00:43:05
			I'm not gonna say who. But all you
guys are you guys have the right
		
00:43:05 --> 00:43:09
			idea. Definitely. Right. So the
person who said the right thing,
		
00:43:10 --> 00:43:12
			they're gonna find out in a few
minutes that they will write
		
00:43:14 --> 00:43:14
			Sharla
		
00:43:15 --> 00:43:19
			Okay, so let's take a look, what
is Islamic spirituality? What do
		
00:43:19 --> 00:43:25
			we mean by that? Now, start with
spirituality, just very briefly.
		
00:43:27 --> 00:43:31
			It's something that's defined by
the Prophet SAW Selim himself in
		
00:43:31 --> 00:43:33
			the very famous hadith of Gibreel,
and Islam.
		
00:43:34 --> 00:43:36
			If you remember that it's very
extensive. So I'm not going to go
		
00:43:36 --> 00:43:39
			into the entire Hadith. And nor am
I going to get into a deep
		
00:43:39 --> 00:43:44
			explanation of the Hadith. But we
understand that in this what many
		
00:43:44 --> 00:43:47
			scholars would would consider a
foundational Hadith.
		
00:43:48 --> 00:43:53
			The Prophet says salam expounds
upon three things, Islam, Iman,
		
00:43:53 --> 00:43:58
			and so on. So just briefly, you
know, the Hadith, and it's got
		
00:43:58 --> 00:44:02
			various narrators, and you know,
and anyway, so, the Hadith
		
00:44:02 --> 00:44:05
			mentions that someone comes into a
gathering where the companions are
		
00:44:05 --> 00:44:08
			sitting with the process, alum,
this person is wearing white
		
00:44:08 --> 00:44:11
			clothing, black hair, comes right
up to the process and walks up to
		
00:44:11 --> 00:44:15
			the Prophet and salaam sits down
puts his hands on the legs or the
		
00:44:15 --> 00:44:19
			thighs of the process. So it
starts asking questions. And so
		
00:44:19 --> 00:44:23
			one of those questions is above
the knee and none Islam. Tell me
		
00:44:23 --> 00:44:26
			about Islam, the process that I'm
expounds upon the five pillars of
		
00:44:26 --> 00:44:30
			Islam, as we know, right, and so
again, I'm not going to get into
		
00:44:30 --> 00:44:34
			too many details. And then the
person says set up you spoken the
		
00:44:34 --> 00:44:37
			truth. And then the narrator, one
of the narrators are willing to
		
00:44:37 --> 00:44:40
			help Bob says I found it very
strange that he's asking the
		
00:44:40 --> 00:44:44
			question and yet he's saying that
you're right. And then God Larry
		
00:44:44 --> 00:44:49
			salaam asked the process that I'm
about Eman, a Bernie handle Eman.
		
00:44:49 --> 00:44:52
			Tell me about Eman the process. I
mentioned the Six Pillars of human
		
00:44:52 --> 00:44:54
			right to believe in Allah, the
angels, the prophets, the books
		
00:44:54 --> 00:44:59
			and so on and so forth. Okay, and
then again, Jeffrey Are you know
		
00:44:59 --> 00:45:00
			the
		
00:45:00 --> 00:45:04
			person says, so that you've spoken
the truth. And then he asks him
		
00:45:04 --> 00:45:09
			about it ask the process tell him
about Ehsaan tell me about SN what
		
00:45:09 --> 00:45:13
			is Ehsaan. And the Prophet SAW
Selim says that our son is to
		
00:45:13 --> 00:45:18
			worship Allah as if you see him
for even though you do not see
		
00:45:18 --> 00:45:22
			him, you know that he sees you
Okoma called Salah Salem. And so,
		
00:45:22 --> 00:45:26
			when we speak about Islamic
spirituality, we see that it's in
		
00:45:26 --> 00:45:31
			this area of what we would call
asana and Asana Asana is quite,
		
00:45:31 --> 00:45:34
			it's a quite as a very deep
concept, but let's try to at least
		
00:45:34 --> 00:45:38
			scratch the surface inshallah. So
we'll start before we get to
		
00:45:38 --> 00:45:44
			Essen. Let's start with a concept
of iman first. Okay, Eman. If we
		
00:45:44 --> 00:45:47
			look at the etymology of the word,
where the word comes from, what is
		
00:45:47 --> 00:45:50
			the background of the word what is
the source of the word, it comes
		
00:45:50 --> 00:45:54
			from the try ladder Amazona. And
so when we go to like, Lane's
		
00:45:54 --> 00:45:56
			lexicon yet again,
		
00:45:57 --> 00:46:02
			I'm gonna refers to him if he was
or became or felt secure, safe in
		
00:46:02 --> 00:46:07
			the state of security, or safety.
Originally, he was or became
		
00:46:07 --> 00:46:13
			quiet, tranquil in heart or mind.
So I want us to take a moment here
		
00:46:13 --> 00:46:18
			and think about that for a second.
When we look at the word Eman, we
		
00:46:18 --> 00:46:23
			understand that Eman is this
internal, what we may call belief,
		
00:46:23 --> 00:46:26
			right? Even though belief is a
very loose translation, which I'm
		
00:46:26 --> 00:46:30
			not very fond of, but it has to do
with things about like, obviously,
		
00:46:30 --> 00:46:33
			the six pillars of belief, right?
believing in Allah, the angels,
		
00:46:33 --> 00:46:37
			the books, and so on, so forth.
But from a linguistic point of
		
00:46:37 --> 00:46:39
			view, when we look at the
etymology of the word, we see that
		
00:46:39 --> 00:46:45
			it comes from this idea of
stability, security, tranquility,
		
00:46:46 --> 00:46:50
			and peace. When we were speaking
about the concept of hemp, the
		
00:46:50 --> 00:46:56
			concept of this disquietude, this
anxiety, what we find is that what
		
00:46:56 --> 00:47:01
			Eman does is it's giving the
appropriate medicine for that.
		
00:47:01 --> 00:47:07
			Right it exactly what Iman is, is
to take away How is to settle hum,
		
00:47:07 --> 00:47:10
			it's just it's to get you know, is
to take that person that's in that
		
00:47:10 --> 00:47:14
			state, that they're you know that
they have the state of anxiety,
		
00:47:14 --> 00:47:18
			they have the state of you know,
that they're disquieted
		
00:47:19 --> 00:47:26
			and so on, and gives and kind of
solves that issue. Right. So, Eman
		
00:47:26 --> 00:47:31
			is a person when they have this
Iman, when they have this type of
		
00:47:31 --> 00:47:33
			internal belief.
		
00:47:34 --> 00:47:36
			The six pillars of the process
that I mentioned, and what we
		
00:47:36 --> 00:47:40
			understand about Iman, you find
that there is a type of
		
00:47:40 --> 00:47:44
			tranquility and peace that enters
into the human being. Now that
		
00:47:44 --> 00:47:48
			tranquility and peace could be due
to understanding deeper
		
00:47:48 --> 00:47:53
			existential questions. Why am I
here? Where am I going? And, you
		
00:47:53 --> 00:47:56
			know, how did I get here? Right?
So, you know, how did I get here?
		
00:47:56 --> 00:47:59
			Like, what is my purpose? What
will you know? Why did why do I
		
00:47:59 --> 00:48:02
			exist? The ad having the answers
those questions, and having
		
00:48:02 --> 00:48:06
			emailed those answers gives one a
sense of stability, a sense of
		
00:48:06 --> 00:48:11
			security, a sense of tranquility.
Thus, when someone is faced with,
		
00:48:11 --> 00:48:14
			let's say, challenges in one's
life, where we move from home to
		
00:48:14 --> 00:48:19
			them, you find that they can deal
with those challenges in a way
		
00:48:19 --> 00:48:24
			that a person that does not have
that emotion, can can deal with,
		
00:48:24 --> 00:48:28
			right. So, you know, imagine what
it does is it gives a sense of
		
00:48:28 --> 00:48:32
			stability, security, safety,
tranquility and peace. And really
		
00:48:32 --> 00:48:36
			the whole idea of spirituality
itself has to do with this idea of
		
00:48:36 --> 00:48:40
			tranquility and peace. Okay. So
when we say Eman, we say we're
		
00:48:40 --> 00:48:44
			talking about tranquility, peace,
security, safety, all this kind of
		
00:48:44 --> 00:48:49
			spiritual, you know, in the
spiritual notion of peace and
		
00:48:49 --> 00:48:53
			tranquility. But it's not limited
to just a spiritual notion of
		
00:48:53 --> 00:48:58
			peace and tranquility. And this is
where the distinguishing quality
		
00:48:58 --> 00:49:02
			of Islam comes up the single cost
distinguishing quality of Islam as
		
00:49:02 --> 00:49:07
			a worldview. In other words, you
have your modern gurus, whether
		
00:49:07 --> 00:49:10
			you're talking about Sadhguru,
whether you're talking about, you
		
00:49:10 --> 00:49:14
			know, Tony Robbins, or you know,
whoever it may be, that what
		
00:49:14 --> 00:49:18
			they're trying to do is they're
trying to give this umunna This
		
00:49:18 --> 00:49:23
			state of peace and security by
various means, you know, by, you
		
00:49:23 --> 00:49:26
			know, giving them hopefulness
about the future and, you know,
		
00:49:26 --> 00:49:29
			you can conquer it all and so on
and so forth. But where the
		
00:49:29 --> 00:49:33
			Islamic paradigm the Islamic
worldview differs, is that when we
		
00:49:33 --> 00:49:37
			think of Eman, it's not just this
spiritual type of stability, peace
		
00:49:37 --> 00:49:42
			and tranquility. But it's it's a
much deeper type of peace,
		
00:49:42 --> 00:49:45
			tranquility, security and safety.
And what do I mean?
		
00:49:47 --> 00:49:51
			When we think about it, it's two
types of stability and tranquility
		
00:49:51 --> 00:49:57
			and peace. You have that spiritual
stability that spiritual
		
00:49:57 --> 00:50:00
			tranquility and peace, but you
also have a rash
		
00:50:00 --> 00:50:04
			component. So remember, I was
saying that we, while our approach
		
00:50:04 --> 00:50:07
			should not be Tao of
functionalism, where we're now
		
00:50:07 --> 00:50:10
			looking at the human being as a
robot, but we cannot be devoid of
		
00:50:10 --> 00:50:15
			rationality either, right? It must
work in tandem. Because imagine
		
00:50:15 --> 00:50:20
			someone that they now feel like,
so for instance, I was watching a
		
00:50:20 --> 00:50:23
			certain YouTube video, and someone
was asking about how Christian
		
00:50:23 --> 00:50:26
			spirituality helped them. And, you
know, the person was mentioning
		
00:50:26 --> 00:50:29
			that, you know, I used to be, I
used to be very addicted to to a
		
00:50:29 --> 00:50:34
			certain drug. And, you know, and I
would constantly need this drug.
		
00:50:34 --> 00:50:38
			And so, every time I would take
this drug every time I would, I
		
00:50:38 --> 00:50:42
			think it was mentioning heroin, I
would get this warm feeling. But I
		
00:50:42 --> 00:50:45
			kept on needing it over and over
and over again, until I found
		
00:50:45 --> 00:50:51
			Jesus. And then that warm feeling
that blanket that I needed, was
		
00:50:51 --> 00:50:58
			just Jesus right now, from that
person's experience, we understand
		
00:50:58 --> 00:51:01
			that he experienced that, like,
one of the things is we're not
		
00:51:01 --> 00:51:04
			going to deny that individual's
experience, we're not going to
		
00:51:04 --> 00:51:08
			say, oh, you know, that experience
itself is wrong, or that
		
00:51:08 --> 00:51:13
			experience is fake. But the perp
The point is, is that what is the
		
00:51:13 --> 00:51:17
			interpretation of that experience?
Was it Jesus? Was it Allah
		
00:51:17 --> 00:51:20
			subhanaw? taala? What was the
interpretation? And how do you
		
00:51:20 --> 00:51:24
			tell which interpretation a person
is going to make of that
		
00:51:24 --> 00:51:28
			experience? That's very real, that
we do not deny? How are we going
		
00:51:28 --> 00:51:31
			to understand it? What what is the
other aspect that you need to
		
00:51:31 --> 00:51:35
			this, and that's where rational
stability comes in. Because you
		
00:51:35 --> 00:51:39
			could have that spiritual
experience. And you experienced
		
00:51:39 --> 00:51:44
			it, it's very real. But let's say
the rational aspect of, you know,
		
00:51:44 --> 00:51:48
			the Trinity, for instance, that's
going to cause instability, it's
		
00:51:48 --> 00:51:51
			going to be you know, you're gonna
have disquietude, from that
		
00:51:51 --> 00:51:54
			perspective, a rational
perspective. And so, you know, you
		
00:51:54 --> 00:51:56
			can take it and put it in a box
called, you know, unsolved
		
00:51:56 --> 00:52:00
			problems, and lock it away and
hanging in abeyance. The problem
		
00:52:00 --> 00:52:04
			is, it's still there, though. And
so are you really stable, from the
		
00:52:04 --> 00:52:08
			point of view of like what we
said, I'm gonna do having that
		
00:52:08 --> 00:52:11
			stability and having that true,
deeper peace and deeper
		
00:52:11 --> 00:52:16
			tranquility. So when we talk about
Iman, we say that it's related to
		
00:52:16 --> 00:52:19
			the term or comes from the term
Amana which has to do with not
		
00:52:19 --> 00:52:23
			only spiritual tranquility, but
also has to do with rational
		
00:52:23 --> 00:52:26
			stability, and this is going to be
very important moving forward.
		
00:52:26 --> 00:52:29
			Okay. So that being said.
		
00:52:33 --> 00:52:36
			So I just wanted to actually
highlight that this concept of
		
00:52:36 --> 00:52:40
			rationality and spirituality, you
find this throughout our
		
00:52:40 --> 00:52:46
			tradition, throughout the Islamic
sources. And so when we look at
		
00:52:46 --> 00:52:49
			the Quran, for instance, you find
whenever Allah subhanho wa Taala
		
00:52:49 --> 00:52:53
			mentions knowledge and I would
urge you to look through the Quran
		
00:52:53 --> 00:52:57
			and see for yourself, whenever
Allah subhanaw taala mentions the
		
00:52:57 --> 00:53:01
			icon, or mentions knowledge or
mentions, you know, knowing
		
00:53:01 --> 00:53:05
			something that mentions
epistemological principles or
		
00:53:05 --> 00:53:09
			something of this nature, you will
always find something connected to
		
00:53:09 --> 00:53:14
			spirituality around the idea or
within the eye itself. So a very
		
00:53:14 --> 00:53:18
			famous idea that's usually quoted
in books. You know, so for
		
00:53:18 --> 00:53:23
			instance, books about like Kitab
Al Imam Al Ghazali, mentioned
		
00:53:23 --> 00:53:27
			this, actually, there's a
catabolism by Sheikh Hussein Amin
		
00:53:27 --> 00:53:30
			as well who also mentioned this,
and they mentioned this very idea
		
00:53:30 --> 00:53:34
			that you see on the screen, but
they mentioned part of the ayah
		
00:53:35 --> 00:53:37
			the part that they mentioned,
because their speed, their focus
		
00:53:37 --> 00:53:41
			is on knowledge. They mentioned
the last part of the * yes, the
		
00:53:41 --> 00:53:45
			will Edina Yala Moon will lead in
the lion lagoon is the one who
		
00:53:45 --> 00:53:50
			knows equal to the one who doesn't
know. But you see, right before
		
00:53:50 --> 00:53:55
			that in the very same ayah Allah
subhanho wa Taala mentions
		
00:53:55 --> 00:53:58
			something else that's as if it's
kind of coupling two things
		
00:53:58 --> 00:54:02
			together. Allah subhanho wa Taala
says a man who according to Allah
		
00:54:02 --> 00:54:06
			in Layli, Sajid and we're all
human and you know, is the one who
		
00:54:06 --> 00:54:11
			is on it or devoutly obedient and
not in lelee You know, throughout
		
00:54:11 --> 00:54:15
			the night Saj that walk Iman
standing, sorry prostrating and
		
00:54:15 --> 00:54:19
			standing right so is the one who's
devoutly obedient you know, at
		
00:54:19 --> 00:54:21
			night to standing in prostrating?
		
00:54:24 --> 00:54:30
			He's caught human. Yeah, through
akhira is hoping or sorry, he's
		
00:54:30 --> 00:54:33
			fearing the hereafter. Actually,
the translations right there. He's
		
00:54:33 --> 00:54:38
			fairly well you have to do Rama to
rugby, and he's fearing or sorry,
		
00:54:38 --> 00:54:41
			is hoping in the Mercy of Allah
subhanho wa Taala mercy of his
		
00:54:41 --> 00:54:45
			Lord. Okay. So in other words, is
the one who is devoutly obedient,
		
00:54:45 --> 00:54:48
			standing and prostrating a night
all right.
		
00:54:50 --> 00:54:54
			You know, a fearful of the
Hereafter the consequences of
		
00:54:54 --> 00:54:57
			their morality and moral actions
and things like that. Well, you
		
00:54:57 --> 00:54:59
			got to do Ramadan, rugby and hope
		
00:55:00 --> 00:55:04
			Paying for the mercy of their
Lord? Is that person equivalent to
		
00:55:04 --> 00:55:07
			the one who doesn't do this? And
then Allah says holiest they will
		
00:55:07 --> 00:55:11
			live in a yellow moon or land.
Well leadin Allah, Allah Moon is
		
00:55:11 --> 00:55:14
			the one who knows, equivalent to
the one who doesn't know. In other
		
00:55:14 --> 00:55:18
			words, you have a spiritual
reality. These are all spiritual
		
00:55:18 --> 00:55:22
			concepts, spiritual acts, for
instance, and both external acts
		
00:55:22 --> 00:55:27
			and internal acts. So the first
part Amma who was a man who upon
		
00:55:27 --> 00:55:30
			it on Anna, Lady side, in the
Mocha Iman, the one who's
		
00:55:30 --> 00:55:33
			standing, the one who's
prostrating and standing, these
		
00:55:33 --> 00:55:38
			are physical acts, but these are
physical, spiritual acts. And then
		
00:55:38 --> 00:55:43
			you have internal acts. Yeah,
little akhira fearing that's an
		
00:55:43 --> 00:55:47
			internal state of the heart that
you understand you as a human
		
00:55:47 --> 00:55:50
			being that you fall short. And you
have, you know, certain things
		
00:55:50 --> 00:55:53
			that you didn't you know, you
didn't you weren't the best in and
		
00:55:53 --> 00:55:55
			you didn't worship Allah as you
should have worshipped and so on
		
00:55:55 --> 00:55:58
			and so forth. So you have a feat
you're fearful, you wronged the
		
00:55:58 --> 00:56:01
			person, all those things come
inside that person's heart, this
		
00:56:01 --> 00:56:05
			internal spiritual state, yeah,
through Africa, that you're
		
00:56:05 --> 00:56:09
			fearing the hereafter. Well, you
got to do Ramadan rugby, and that
		
00:56:09 --> 00:56:14
			you're hopeful for the Mercy of
Allah subhanho wa taala. Those are
		
00:56:14 --> 00:56:18
			all spiritual aspects, all
spiritual acts, and spiritual,
		
00:56:18 --> 00:56:21
			emotional, spiritual, psycho
spiritual states
		
00:56:23 --> 00:56:28
			that Allah ties with knowledge. So
again, what the reason I'm
		
00:56:28 --> 00:56:30
			bringing this up, and we can see
this over and over again, the
		
00:56:30 --> 00:56:34
			Prophet SAW Selim says, there's a
dua that process and teaches you
		
00:56:34 --> 00:56:38
			says, Hola. Hola, como, una de
bah? Well, I didn't know Bartylla
		
00:56:38 --> 00:56:42
			Bartylla or established Inaba, oh,
Allah show me truth as truth. Here
		
00:56:42 --> 00:56:45
			we go, talking about truth,
knowledge, rationality, whatever
		
00:56:45 --> 00:56:48
			it might show me truth as truth
and allow me to follow it. Let me
		
00:56:48 --> 00:56:52
			follow it and show me falsehood as
falsehood and keep me away from
		
00:56:52 --> 00:56:57
			it. Obama calls for SLM. But
interestingly enough, it's a DUA,
		
00:56:58 --> 00:57:03
			he's asking Allah for that there's
a spiritual component, dua is, you
		
00:57:03 --> 00:57:08
			know, a spiritual act that's both,
you know, an act external and an
		
00:57:08 --> 00:57:11
			internal act, and so on and so
forth. There's many examples that,
		
00:57:11 --> 00:57:14
			you know, we don't really have the
time to expound upon all of them.
		
00:57:14 --> 00:57:19
			The point being, is that when it
comes to one, understanding Iman,
		
00:57:19 --> 00:57:24
			that there is a deep connection
between rational stability and
		
00:57:24 --> 00:57:28
			spiritual tranquility, and these
are constantly connected in our
		
00:57:28 --> 00:57:31
			tradition in the Quran and in the
Sunnah, and so on and so forth.
		
00:57:31 --> 00:57:33
			So, now moving on.
		
00:57:35 --> 00:57:39
			So we talked about Iman, we talked
about that sort of internal
		
00:57:39 --> 00:57:42
			tranquility, stability on a
rational level on a spiritual
		
00:57:42 --> 00:57:46
			level. So now let's speak about
kind of the crux of the matter,
		
00:57:46 --> 00:57:48
			and that is exon.
		
00:57:50 --> 00:57:54
			So the term itself as son, just
very quickly, it comes from the
		
00:57:54 --> 00:57:59
			trilateral route, try literal
route Hashanah, which means good
		
00:57:59 --> 00:58:04
			or to beautify. And you can you
can compare it to the term. Jamil,
		
00:58:04 --> 00:58:07
			for instance, because Jimena is
another word that is used in in
		
00:58:07 --> 00:58:10
			Arabic to say that something is
beautiful, right? So if you want
		
00:58:10 --> 00:58:14
			to say something nice to your
wife, you can say Auntie Jamila,
		
00:58:14 --> 00:58:16
			right, and I encourage all the
husbands to say that to their
		
00:58:16 --> 00:58:23
			wives, the law, right. So the
concept of but generally, when we
		
00:58:23 --> 00:58:26
			talk about the term Hasson and we
talk about and we compare to the
		
00:58:26 --> 00:58:27
			term Jamil
		
00:58:28 --> 00:58:33
			something is, you know, that's,
that's beautiful versus beautiful
		
00:58:33 --> 00:58:36
			of a nature that's, that's these
are two different concepts. All
		
00:58:36 --> 00:58:40
			right now, how the different The
term has done, not only talks not
		
00:58:40 --> 00:58:45
			only refers to like an external
beauty, but would also refer to an
		
00:58:45 --> 00:58:49
			internal beauty. So it's not only
just beauty of
		
00:58:50 --> 00:58:54
			like a physical beauty, one that
is seen one that is delightful to
		
00:58:54 --> 00:58:58
			the eyes, but it also refers to a
beauty that's deeper inside a
		
00:58:58 --> 00:59:03
			person, right? So that beauty can
come from a good moral character
		
00:59:03 --> 00:59:07
			of a person. The person is
truthful and honest, and loving
		
00:59:07 --> 00:59:11
			and caring. And so this person has
has had like, their their hassle,
		
00:59:11 --> 00:59:14
			right? They're just they're
beautiful inside and out. Yeah.
		
00:59:16 --> 00:59:21
			And so that's why the concept of s
Sun can also refer to excellence,
		
00:59:21 --> 00:59:24
			that that x, that there's a
spiritual excellence, and the
		
00:59:24 --> 00:59:29
			spiritual excellence has to do
with the very idea of that you're
		
00:59:29 --> 00:59:34
			not only that you have this not
only this external beauty, that's
		
00:59:34 --> 00:59:39
			manifest when that internal
spiritual struggle is kind of is
		
00:59:39 --> 00:59:42
			constantly happening. You're
constantly going higher and higher
		
00:59:42 --> 00:59:47
			in, in levels up and closer and
closer to Allah, that that becomes
		
00:59:47 --> 00:59:51
			manifest externally. So you see
someone and they pray, but when
		
00:59:51 --> 00:59:57
			you see them pray, it's just it's
beautiful. Right? But there's
		
00:59:57 --> 01:00:00
			Ehsaan there, right? There's
excellence in the
		
01:00:00 --> 01:00:03
			particular prayer or in that
particular act of worship, or when
		
01:00:03 --> 01:00:05
			you see a person, you know, they
say that that person knew on their
		
01:00:05 --> 01:00:08
			face or whatever it might be, that
might be because of the night
		
01:00:08 --> 01:00:13
			prayers, and so on and so forth.
So Sn is a concept that is, you
		
01:00:13 --> 01:00:17
			know, it's quite multifaceted in
the sense that it's referring to a
		
01:00:17 --> 01:00:19
			type of beauty.
		
01:00:21 --> 01:00:23
			And that's, by the way, that's why
you can do axon to other people or
		
01:00:23 --> 01:00:27
			as sound to Allah, right is that
you can treat like axon to your
		
01:00:27 --> 01:00:31
			parents, right? That That term is
used for that particular for that
		
01:00:31 --> 01:00:35
			particular purpose. And that's why
it's multi, it has that ability to
		
01:00:35 --> 01:00:39
			do used in different contexts and
in different ways. So, that being
		
01:00:39 --> 01:00:40
			the case,
		
01:00:42 --> 01:00:45
			when we talk about s sun, coming
from the point of view of
		
01:00:45 --> 01:00:50
			spirituality, it includes the
concept of beauty, and kindness
		
01:00:50 --> 01:00:55
			and love and so on so forth,
right? The type of s sun when the
		
01:00:55 --> 01:00:59
			Prophet Islam says, it is to
worship Allah as if you see him,
		
01:00:59 --> 01:01:03
			for even though you do not see
him, he sees you. If that's the
		
01:01:03 --> 01:01:08
			case, what did the process of
mean, to see Allah?
		
01:01:09 --> 01:01:12
			Now, obviously, he says, even
though you don't see him, we're
		
01:01:12 --> 01:01:17
			not talking about ocular vision,
we're not talking about, you know,
		
01:01:17 --> 01:01:20
			seeing Allah like, like, you can,
like you can see something like,
		
01:01:20 --> 01:01:22
			like, you know, I can see the
camera or I can see the screen.
		
01:01:23 --> 01:01:28
			But yet the Prophet ism uses that
phraseology uses those terms. It's
		
01:01:28 --> 01:01:32
			to worship Allah as if you can see
him. And this is where I wanted to
		
01:01:32 --> 01:01:36
			move on to the concept of Islamic
Spirituality, from understanding
		
01:01:36 --> 01:01:39
			what do we mean by seeing Allah
because we're not talking about
		
01:01:39 --> 01:01:43
			ocular vision, there's something
much deeper that we're speaking
		
01:01:43 --> 01:01:43
			about.
		
01:01:46 --> 01:01:50
			Okay, so let's move on to very
quickly the ontology of the soul.
		
01:01:50 --> 01:01:53
			And this is when we're going to
start speaking about what does it
		
01:01:53 --> 01:01:58
			mean to to, in a sense, see Allah
obviously we don't see Allah. We
		
01:01:58 --> 01:02:02
			only physically see Allah by way
of our ocular sensitive boy,
		
01:02:02 --> 01:02:05
			seeing Allah is a phenomena of the
Hereafter, none of this dunya
		
01:02:05 --> 01:02:10
			anyway, so I wanted to touch upon
the ontology, this soul, very
		
01:02:10 --> 01:02:13
			briefly from an understanding of
what what's known as I had to
		
01:02:13 --> 01:02:18
			know, and this particular ayah
Allah subhanho wa Taala says Allah
		
01:02:18 --> 01:02:21
			who notice Samajwadi will old
Allah is the Light of the heavens
		
01:02:21 --> 01:02:25
			and the earth muzzleloader. He
commish cat. The example of his
		
01:02:25 --> 01:02:31
			light is like a Mischka. Howard.
Mischka is like a niche that's in
		
01:02:31 --> 01:02:34
			a wall right so back in the olden
days, they would put a lamp in a
		
01:02:35 --> 01:02:40
			kind of an indent in the wall or
an engraved indent in the wall to
		
01:02:40 --> 01:02:43
			basically focus the light so if
you have a lamp the light is going
		
01:02:43 --> 01:02:46
			everywhere. If you put it in the
in then it's going to focus it in
		
01:02:46 --> 01:02:52
			a certain place, right. So this
particular so the example of his
		
01:02:52 --> 01:02:57
			light is like a niche with which
within which is the translation
		
01:02:57 --> 01:03:00
			says when which is a lamp but
really what is speaking about is a
		
01:03:00 --> 01:03:05
			mitzvah mitzvah comes from the
term Saba, which that which means
		
01:03:05 --> 01:03:10
			like morning, it's that which
emulates the morning, right? So
		
01:03:10 --> 01:03:12
			here's spot speaking about the
flame, in fact, not about the
		
01:03:12 --> 01:03:15
			lamp. And we know this because
right after that Allah subhanaw
		
01:03:15 --> 01:03:20
			taala says, I'll miss VoWIFI
Sujatha that the Misbah is in a
		
01:03:20 --> 01:03:27
			class, okay. And this is a Georgia
Sujata to Ghana, Coco, Coco, that
		
01:03:27 --> 01:03:32
			this this zoo, Georgia is like a
star. That's a pearly white star.
		
01:03:32 --> 01:03:38
			That's a glittering star, and that
it is, it is lit by a tree that is
		
01:03:38 --> 01:03:44
			neither of the east nor the West.
Okay? And it's a blessing tree. So
		
01:03:44 --> 01:03:48
			a blessing tree, neither the east
nor the West. And Allah subhanho
		
01:03:48 --> 01:03:53
			wa Taala says, and and the oil
that's lighting this flame is
		
01:03:53 --> 01:03:58
			blessed olive oil of a blessed
olive tree. And that oil itself,
		
01:03:58 --> 01:04:03
			it's as if it itself is going to
catch on fire. Right? So it has a
		
01:04:03 --> 01:04:07
			certain shimmer, a certain shine
that if like it could just catch
		
01:04:07 --> 01:04:11
			on fire itself. And then Allah
says no, don't Allah, no Light
		
01:04:11 --> 01:04:16
			upon light, and Allah guys was
like, even whomever he wills, and
		
01:04:16 --> 01:04:22
			Allah presents examples of Thun
leanness examples for people.
		
01:04:23 --> 01:04:26
			And Allah is the knower of all
things. So what does this refer
		
01:04:26 --> 01:04:28
			to? And again, I'm going to move
through this relatively quickly.
		
01:04:29 --> 01:04:31
			So I want you to take a look at
this diagram. Okay.
		
01:04:34 --> 01:04:37
			So when we talk when we're looking
at it to note we see that that
		
01:04:37 --> 01:04:42
			particular flame that was being
referred to that is the rule. That
		
01:04:42 --> 01:04:48
			is the soul that is the spirit of
the human being. The glass is
		
01:04:48 --> 01:04:53
			referring to the heart of the
human being the niche right that
		
01:04:53 --> 01:04:56
			that intense indentation in the
wall where you put the lamp, that
		
01:04:56 --> 01:04:59
			is the the torso, the upper torso
of the human being this
		
01:05:00 --> 01:05:04
			area right here the chest, okay?
The olive oil is referring to the
		
01:05:04 --> 01:05:10
			fitrah, which we spoke about,
okay. And when Allah says no run
		
01:05:10 --> 01:05:15
			Allah node, he's referring to the
node of your Rua, which is fueled
		
01:05:15 --> 01:05:19
			by the fitrah. Fueled here, I'm in
quotations
		
01:05:20 --> 01:05:24
			and the light of revelations, new
Quran Allah knows, okay, when this
		
01:05:24 --> 01:05:27
			human construct that we've been
given an example of by Allah
		
01:05:27 --> 01:05:31
			subhanaw taala, it's very profound
because when we think about the
		
01:05:31 --> 01:05:35
			concept of the rule, it is
something that Allah subhanho wa
		
01:05:35 --> 01:05:38
			Taala has created, what we would
say x Nilo, in other words, there
		
01:05:38 --> 01:05:42
			are two types of creative
processes. So Allah creates by way
		
01:05:42 --> 01:05:46
			of his AMA, right, by his, you
know, whenever He decrees a
		
01:05:46 --> 01:05:47
			matter, whenever he says,
		
01:05:49 --> 01:05:53
			Whenever He decrees a matter, he
merely says to a gun for your
		
01:05:53 --> 01:05:56
			call, right? So then it's x Nilo,
it happens, it's created out of
		
01:05:56 --> 01:06:02
			nothing, as opposed to other
creations that have a time
		
01:06:02 --> 01:06:06
			element. And that there's, let's
say, pre existing material that is
		
01:06:06 --> 01:06:10
			used to create a particular beam,
right. So for instance, the human
		
01:06:10 --> 01:06:14
			being itself, you have the
component of the rules, which as
		
01:06:14 --> 01:06:17
			Allah subhanho wa Taala says, When
the fuck to female who Hey, and
		
01:06:17 --> 01:06:20
			when we breathe, and when we put
them, we breathed the spirit into
		
01:06:20 --> 01:06:24
			Adam alayhis, salam, then the we
were taught, we told the angels to
		
01:06:24 --> 01:06:28
			prostrate to animal SLR. So
there's a component of the rule,
		
01:06:28 --> 01:06:31
			and then this component of the
body, in the very famous Hadith
		
01:06:31 --> 01:06:36
			that you can find in, in most
Hadith collections, where the
		
01:06:36 --> 01:06:39
			process of mentioned the creation
of the baby, you mentioned that
		
01:06:39 --> 01:06:42
			there, the process that I
mentioned, this, you know, various
		
01:06:42 --> 01:06:46
			creative stages from Allah, from
from alacarte, Mudra, and so on,
		
01:06:46 --> 01:06:49
			so forth, and describe certain
number of days, 40 days, and so
		
01:06:49 --> 01:06:53
			on, and so forth. And that all has
a time process. But when it comes
		
01:06:53 --> 01:06:58
			to the rule, it's the angel that
comes and puts the rule into the
		
01:06:58 --> 01:07:01
			body, right. So these are two
different kinds of
		
01:07:02 --> 01:07:07
			different kinds of creative
processes that are part and parcel
		
01:07:07 --> 01:07:11
			to human being, you have the
external body, and you have the
		
01:07:11 --> 01:07:16
			internal Ruach. Now, this external
body is just like any other
		
01:07:16 --> 01:07:20
			animal's body, okay? In other
words, just like animals have the
		
01:07:20 --> 01:07:24
			desire to eat, to sleep to, to
form a cage, and so on and so
		
01:07:24 --> 01:07:29
			forth. The human being has those
as well, that's part of our animal
		
01:07:29 --> 01:07:33
			or bodily constitution, right, our
material constitution.
		
01:07:34 --> 01:07:39
			At the same time, because we have
a rule that is fueled, again,
		
01:07:39 --> 01:07:43
			fueled by the fitrah, we also have
a moral component, we have a
		
01:07:43 --> 01:07:48
			spiritual component, right? So
comparing the two, when you look
		
01:07:48 --> 01:07:52
			at the animal kingdom, you don't
see a lion, you know, chasing down
		
01:07:52 --> 01:07:55
			on gazelle. And the gazelle says,
you know, in the middle of the
		
01:07:55 --> 01:07:58
			chasing stop to the lion and
saying, I find what you're doing
		
01:07:58 --> 01:08:01
			morally reprehensible, right,
because there's no concept of
		
01:08:01 --> 01:08:07
			morality, when it comes to the
animal kingdom, desires, and
		
01:08:07 --> 01:08:12
			their, you know, they basically
obey what their desires, tell them
		
01:08:12 --> 01:08:16
			to do. Right. And that's how Allah
created them. However, when it
		
01:08:16 --> 01:08:21
			comes to the human being, there is
a Ruhani constitution, there is a
		
01:08:21 --> 01:08:25
			spiritual constitution, in
addition to a bodily constitution,
		
01:08:25 --> 01:08:28
			and that Ruhani Constitution, that
spiritual constitution is what
		
01:08:28 --> 01:08:32
			gives the human beings limits,
because desires in of themselves
		
01:08:32 --> 01:08:36
			are blind. You know, I mean, a
desire is a desire, you have a
		
01:08:36 --> 01:08:40
			desire to eat, or a desire to have
marital relations or desire to do
		
01:08:40 --> 01:08:45
			this, that desire itself is blind,
what gives it its limitations is
		
01:08:45 --> 01:08:48
			the moral component or the root
component for Rouhani component.
		
01:08:49 --> 01:08:54
			So this rule that is an every
single human being, it is trying
		
01:08:54 --> 01:08:56
			to connect with Allah subhanaw
taala. So you can see this kind of
		
01:08:56 --> 01:09:01
			like an outward force on the heart
itself, right. And this outward
		
01:09:01 --> 01:09:04
			force is trying to connect with
Allah. And that connection happens
		
01:09:04 --> 01:09:08
			by way of Revelation. So the rule
is having this outward push on the
		
01:09:08 --> 01:09:12
			heart, and it can connect with
Revelation. However, there is an
		
01:09:12 --> 01:09:16
			opposing force on the heart. And
that has to do with one's knifes,
		
01:09:16 --> 01:09:21
			that is related to their desires,
their bodily base animal desires,
		
01:09:21 --> 01:09:25
			which is having the opposite push
on the heart. And so therefore,
		
01:09:25 --> 01:09:30
			you find that the heart is
constantly in a state of motion,
		
01:09:30 --> 01:09:35
			right? That's why the heart is
known as the earlobe it is always
		
01:09:35 --> 01:09:38
			in the state of overturning right?
Allah you can label right like to
		
01:09:38 --> 01:09:43
			overturn. In fact, the word for
revolution. In Arabic, one of the
		
01:09:43 --> 01:09:48
			words for revolution is in the lab
to overturn right. So the heart is
		
01:09:48 --> 01:09:51
			always in the state and even the
physical heart is always in a
		
01:09:51 --> 01:09:54
			state of motion, right always
beating. And so the heart is
		
01:09:54 --> 01:09:58
			sometimes expanding, contracting,
expanding, contracting, right. And
		
01:09:58 --> 01:09:59
			so to is the spiritual heart
		
01:10:00 --> 01:10:03
			because you have this outward push
by the rule, and then you have
		
01:10:03 --> 01:10:07
			this kind of, you know, external
factors that are pushing upon the
		
01:10:07 --> 01:10:10
			heart, and that comes from the
person's bodily desires or
		
01:10:10 --> 01:10:14
			animalistic desires that that a
person has. Now, here's the thing,
		
01:10:16 --> 01:10:22
			there is an effect on the heart.
That is that when a person sins,
		
01:10:23 --> 01:10:26
			because remember, we said, what
are the things that take a person
		
01:10:26 --> 01:10:30
			away from their original normative
disposition? So we said, one is
		
01:10:30 --> 01:10:33
			one's environment. So we can see
that right off the bat, the
		
01:10:33 --> 01:10:38
			environment has an impact on you
know, your, you know, your your
		
01:10:38 --> 01:10:42
			knifes your bodily desires, your
culture, your worldview, if you
		
01:10:42 --> 01:10:45
			think like, you know, sexual
relations with anyone, and
		
01:10:45 --> 01:10:48
			everyone is okay, that's going to
have an effect on the heart.
		
01:10:49 --> 01:10:54
			Similarly, sins has an effect on
the heart. And we know this
		
01:10:54 --> 01:10:56
			because the prophets Islam says
that when the son of Adam sinned,
		
01:10:56 --> 01:11:01
			a black.is placed in the heart. So
remember, the, in our diagram
		
01:11:01 --> 01:11:05
			here, we said that the heart was
the glass that surrounds the the
		
01:11:05 --> 01:11:08
			flame, we attach that to the
heart, we said that that was the
		
01:11:08 --> 01:11:13
			heart. Think of that in the sense
that if a black dots placed upon a
		
01:11:13 --> 01:11:17
			glass, and you have revelation
that's coming in, if enough black
		
01:11:17 --> 01:11:22
			dots are upon this glass, you
cannot have the light of the rule,
		
01:11:22 --> 01:11:26
			connecting with the light of
revelation. And that's why the
		
01:11:26 --> 01:11:29
			recommendation for many scholars
that if you are finding a hard
		
01:11:29 --> 01:11:33
			time connecting with the Quran, or
spiritual acts, in general, it's
		
01:11:33 --> 01:11:39
			good time to make doba to clear
away those sins, right? Anyhow. So
		
01:11:39 --> 01:11:40
			that being the case, we have,
		
01:11:42 --> 01:11:45
			we have an understanding,
hopefully, I'll be in a bit
		
01:11:45 --> 01:11:49
			briefly of the human constitution,
the ontology of the soul, okay.
		
01:11:50 --> 01:11:52
			Now, let's come back to the
concept of worshipping Allah as if
		
01:11:52 --> 01:11:57
			you see him, right, because this
idea of the rule, and its
		
01:11:57 --> 01:12:02
			connection with Revelation,
notice, it's not a you're not
		
01:12:02 --> 01:12:05
			watching the revelation. But it's
something that's attracting the
		
01:12:05 --> 01:12:11
			heart directly. In fact, the very
concept of an idea is a sign. And
		
01:12:11 --> 01:12:15
			so a sign points out something
that's already there, right, your
		
01:12:15 --> 01:12:20
			fitrah the raw, you know, that you
we already have the truth. Either
		
01:12:20 --> 01:12:23
			we have the disposition for the
truth, or we have the truth within
		
01:12:23 --> 01:12:28
			us as knowledge, or perhaps proto
knowledge. So that particular
		
01:12:28 --> 01:12:28
			truth.
		
01:12:29 --> 01:12:33
			Like when we think about this
particular truth, that it's going
		
01:12:33 --> 01:12:38
			to, it's going to be inclined
towards something outside of
		
01:12:38 --> 01:12:42
			itself, like revelation or
whatever it might be anyway. So.
		
01:12:43 --> 01:12:46
			So how exactly is it that we
worship Allah, even though we
		
01:12:46 --> 01:12:50
			don't see him right, is to see
Allah started to worship Allah as
		
01:12:50 --> 01:12:55
			if we see him, because there is
the concept of ocular sight. And
		
01:12:55 --> 01:12:58
			then there's a concept of
spiritual sight, what we may call
		
01:12:58 --> 01:13:04
			insight. And this comes from the
rule itself, it's the ability to
		
01:13:05 --> 01:13:09
			see things right. And Imam Al
Ghazali, he says, and this is
		
01:13:09 --> 01:13:13
			where the kind of ties in the
concept of Ehsaan and single, you
		
01:13:13 --> 01:13:16
			know, the idea of seeing Allah, He
says, Now man is composed of a
		
01:13:16 --> 01:13:19
			body which precedes with ocular
vision, what an Arab is called
		
01:13:19 --> 01:13:24
			bustle, and a spirit ruler, and a
soul knifes which proceed with
		
01:13:24 --> 01:13:29
			intersite basura. Or we can also
say, sapiens, right? Each of these
		
01:13:29 --> 01:13:33
			things has an aspect, and a four,
which is either ugly or beautiful,
		
01:13:34 --> 01:13:37
			right? Furthermore, and this is
important, why did you mentioned
		
01:13:37 --> 01:13:41
			ugly versus beautiful, because you
can see certain things that you
		
01:13:41 --> 01:13:43
			immediately recognize to be ugly
or beautiful, that has to do with
		
01:13:43 --> 01:13:46
			ocular sight. But you can also
feel certain things. In other
		
01:13:46 --> 01:13:49
			words, your rule will testify to
certain things as being ugly or
		
01:13:49 --> 01:13:54
			beautiful, and hence the concept
of Ehsaan comes in. So. So he says
		
01:13:54 --> 01:13:58
			that each of the things has an
aspect and a form which is either
		
01:13:58 --> 01:14:02
			ugly or beautiful. Furthermore,
the soul which proceeds with inner
		
01:14:02 --> 01:14:07
			sight, is of greater worth than
the body would cease with ocular
		
01:14:07 --> 01:14:10
			vision. And that's really the
point here is that what
		
01:14:10 --> 01:14:14
			spirituality, and what we're
talking about here has to do with
		
01:14:14 --> 01:14:21
			something that's deeper and more,
more inclined towards a person
		
01:14:21 --> 01:14:25
			kind of seeing the truth. And here
I'm thinking in quotation marks,
		
01:14:25 --> 01:14:28
			then something that maybe just
distinct discursive reasoning or
		
01:14:28 --> 01:14:32
			something, you can just prove
right out of the bat, right. Okay.
		
01:14:33 --> 01:14:34
			So we've taken a look at that.
		
01:14:36 --> 01:14:38
			We've taken a look at the the
rule.
		
01:14:40 --> 01:14:42
			One, let me just touch on
something just to elucidate the
		
01:14:42 --> 01:14:48
			point. So when we speak about the
rule, I'm trying to see how to
		
01:14:48 --> 01:14:50
			express this in the best form.
		
01:14:54 --> 01:14:57
			We're speaking about a a certain
		
01:14:59 --> 01:15:00
			like
		
01:15:00 --> 01:15:05
			Uh, so let's let's take a look at
the concept of is that when you
		
01:15:05 --> 01:15:08
			look at, let's say a beautiful
sunset,
		
01:15:10 --> 01:15:14
			now, you're gonna, let's say be
with with your loved one. And you
		
01:15:14 --> 01:15:16
			might say, Okay, well that's
beautiful. Look at that beautiful
		
01:15:16 --> 01:15:21
			sunset. And your loved one imagine
they say, that's the ugliest thing
		
01:15:21 --> 01:15:25
			I've ever saw. Prove to me
rationally that that is beautiful.
		
01:15:26 --> 01:15:30
			The point is, is that there's no
rational proof of that, right?
		
01:15:30 --> 01:15:35
			That's something you kind of sense
internally, okay? It's an IO. Now
		
01:15:35 --> 01:15:41
			one of the function of ayat is
that it, they are attracted, or
		
01:15:41 --> 01:15:45
			they are, they're targeted towards
the fitrah. And so that's why the
		
01:15:45 --> 01:15:51
			natural world can be a sign. The
Quran has signs or ayat. And what
		
01:15:51 --> 01:15:55
			a sign does, there's two kinds of
functions of a sign two functions
		
01:15:55 --> 01:15:59
			of an IRA. Number one, or two or
two phenomena that go together
		
01:15:59 --> 01:16:04
			with an IRA. Number one is that
there is no time element. Like
		
01:16:04 --> 01:16:09
			with an IRA, you don't, you know,
you're not going to take time to
		
01:16:09 --> 01:16:13
			like ponder upon and then then
it's like, okay, now just know, it
		
01:16:13 --> 01:16:16
			happens immediately. Right? That's
number one. And number two, it
		
01:16:16 --> 01:16:19
			touches on something that's
already there. So to give an
		
01:16:19 --> 01:16:23
			example, I given this abrogating,
example many times that is that
		
01:16:23 --> 01:16:27
			Imagine now that, you know, after
1020 years after my graduation
		
01:16:27 --> 01:16:31
			from from college, 1020 years
later, I'm unpacking some of my
		
01:16:31 --> 01:16:35
			boxes, and I find my gown, my
graduation gown, the one I wore
		
01:16:35 --> 01:16:39
			for my graduation. Now,
immediately, when I see the gown,
		
01:16:40 --> 01:16:42
			I'm taken back to the day I
graduated.
		
01:16:43 --> 01:16:47
			I remember, you know, the look on
my parents face, right? They were
		
01:16:47 --> 01:16:51
			proud. I remember, you know, the
place I was sitting, I remember
		
01:16:51 --> 01:16:54
			the fact that my last name starts
with a tee. And I had to wait for
		
01:16:54 --> 01:16:58
			200 people before I was able to go
up and get my degree, all of those
		
01:16:58 --> 01:17:00
			things come back immediately.
		
01:17:01 --> 01:17:04
			Because of something that was
already there, that memory that
		
01:17:04 --> 01:17:08
			that that you know that that that
whatever memory was there, and
		
01:17:08 --> 01:17:13
			that gown becomes an idea. So
there's no time element. And
		
01:17:13 --> 01:17:16
			there's no information transfer, I
didn't just learn something new,
		
01:17:16 --> 01:17:18
			it was something that was already
extant it was already there, it
		
01:17:18 --> 01:17:23
			was already present, right. And so
to when it comes to the fitrah,
		
01:17:23 --> 01:17:26
			the fitrah, that knowledge or
proto knowledge of Allah is
		
01:17:26 --> 01:17:31
			already there. And so when you see
an idea, it's not just a rational
		
01:17:31 --> 01:17:36
			argument, that therefore now there
is but it has a direct type of
		
01:17:36 --> 01:17:41
			connection. Right? And hence, the
rule. And you can say like, by
		
01:17:41 --> 01:17:45
			extension, the fifth truck has a
type of perception, that is a
		
01:17:45 --> 01:17:49
			better and greater perception than
just ocular perception. And I'm
		
01:17:49 --> 01:17:52
			not sure if I actually expounded
upon that, in a way that was
		
01:17:52 --> 01:17:56
			understandable, but hopefully, we
can, we can expound upon that more
		
01:17:56 --> 01:17:59
			in the in the q&a, inshallah. But
I thought this was very powerful
		
01:17:59 --> 01:18:04
			from Imam Al Ghazali. All right,
so we're going on, I want to make
		
01:18:04 --> 01:18:07
			sure that we leave some time open
for q&a. Let me give you an
		
01:18:07 --> 01:18:10
			example of a spiritual experience.
So all of this, this whole
		
01:18:10 --> 01:18:13
			discussion has to do with when you
		
01:18:14 --> 01:18:19
			are calling someone or inviting
someone, to the truth to Islam.
		
01:18:20 --> 01:18:24
			And so one of the ways we can do
that is by way of inviting people
		
01:18:24 --> 01:18:28
			to spiritual experiences, or
spiritual acts that we may that
		
01:18:28 --> 01:18:31
			someone may do, you know, one of
the most popular ones, at least on
		
01:18:31 --> 01:18:35
			colleges, college campuses, here
in the US, is the FASTA THON, and
		
01:18:35 --> 01:18:38
			I don't know if you guys have a
faster thumb or do faster thorns,
		
01:18:38 --> 01:18:41
			and you know, so non Muslims are
always invited to fast with the
		
01:18:41 --> 01:18:42
			Muslims.
		
01:18:43 --> 01:18:47
			But what I find missing in those
is that while they may experience
		
01:18:47 --> 01:18:52
			the fast, they may not understand
the spiritual significance of the
		
01:18:52 --> 01:18:58
			fast. And usually, when we explain
the fast we do it in somewhat of a
		
01:18:58 --> 01:19:02
			superficial way, or a way that
doesn't really highlight the
		
01:19:02 --> 01:19:05
			reality of the fasting itself.
Right. So an explanation we might
		
01:19:05 --> 01:19:11
			give is, we fast, to feel what
it's like to be poor, to increase
		
01:19:11 --> 01:19:13
			us in our compassion.
		
01:19:14 --> 01:19:19
			Yeah, that that is that's one of
the outcomes of fasting Inshallah,
		
01:19:19 --> 01:19:22
			although I would argue that
sometimes it may be you may have,
		
01:19:22 --> 01:19:25
			you know, you may not have that,
that may not be the, the outcome
		
01:19:25 --> 01:19:29
			of fasting because, you know, at
the end of the day, when you open
		
01:19:29 --> 01:19:32
			your fast, you have a meal, you
have your support system orders,
		
01:19:32 --> 01:19:35
			and Allah knows what, right that
are waiting for you. Whereas
		
01:19:35 --> 01:19:39
			someone who's truly poor, does not
have that. So yes, while you're
		
01:19:39 --> 01:19:43
			fasting, maybe that might be the
experience that you have, and
		
01:19:43 --> 01:19:47
			maybe that would increase your
compassion, but there's a deeper
		
01:19:47 --> 01:19:51
			spiritual understanding that one
needs to have when they're
		
01:19:51 --> 01:19:56
			fasting, especially if you're
coming from a paradigm outside of
		
01:19:56 --> 01:20:00
			Islam. So I wanted to give an
example of that. That is the fact
		
01:20:00 --> 01:20:00
			fasting itself.
		
01:20:03 --> 01:20:06
			So, what is the spiritual
significance of fasting? Allah
		
01:20:06 --> 01:20:09
			subhanho? wa Taala says yes Aluna
Can you rule so here we're talking
		
01:20:09 --> 01:20:12
			about the rule of talking about
spirituality, they ask you
		
01:20:12 --> 01:20:17
			concerning the rule called say the
rule, a rule, I mean Amanita be
		
01:20:17 --> 01:20:21
			say that the rule it is from the
AMA of Allah, the Command of
		
01:20:21 --> 01:20:25
			Allah. Okay. And so one thing we
understand that the rule is from
		
01:20:25 --> 01:20:28
			the ambit of Allah from the
Command of Allah. And I was
		
01:20:28 --> 01:20:31
			touching upon this a bit earlier,
when I was speaking about the
		
01:20:31 --> 01:20:35
			different processes of creation,
right. So the rule comes from an
		
01:20:35 --> 01:20:40
			Emer from a command. Okay, what is
the command? Right as Allah
		
01:20:40 --> 01:20:44
			subhanaw taala says a suited
Bacara. But in a similar way, it
		
01:20:44 --> 01:20:48
			will audit what indicado M run for
in NEMA your kulula Who can buy a
		
01:20:48 --> 01:20:52
			coin, that he is the originator.
And it's interesting that uses
		
01:20:52 --> 01:20:56
			your buddy or some Awatea because
the idea comes from origination
		
01:20:56 --> 01:21:00
			origination out of nothing, right?
That's why the term Bidda is an
		
01:21:00 --> 01:21:03
			innovation. Like it wasn't it
didn't exist before. And now you
		
01:21:03 --> 01:21:06
			just came up with it. Right. So
Allah's But Dr. Sommer Whitesville
		
01:21:06 --> 01:21:10
			aren't he creates out of nothing?
And he mentioned what how does
		
01:21:10 --> 01:21:14
			that create a process happen?
Right? So he says that either
		
01:21:14 --> 01:21:17
			Cadabra when he decrease a matter,
okay?
		
01:21:18 --> 01:21:22
			For innama, your kulula, who can
for your call, that in He only
		
01:21:22 --> 01:21:26
			says to it, but in other words,
significance, which signifies
		
01:21:26 --> 01:21:30
			exclusivity. But in the Maya
kulula, who couldn't for your
		
01:21:30 --> 01:21:34
			call, he merely says to it be. In
other words, when you're going to
		
01:21:34 --> 01:21:38
			have a creative process, X Nilo,
in other words, creating out of
		
01:21:38 --> 01:21:42
			nothing creating by the amount of
Allah, He merely says to a beat,
		
01:21:42 --> 01:21:46
			and it is, in other words, by way
of his column by way of His Word.
		
01:21:47 --> 01:21:53
			So the rule is by the command of
Allah, and that command happens by
		
01:21:53 --> 01:21:56
			way of God and for your goon the
speech of Allah the kalam of
		
01:21:56 --> 01:21:59
			Allah, right. So, that being the
case.
		
01:22:02 --> 01:22:06
			So why is that significant? What
happens in normal law? Well,
		
01:22:06 --> 01:22:11
			number one, remember, we said that
you have an animalistic reality of
		
01:22:11 --> 01:22:14
			bodily material reality, and it
has its own desires, and so on and
		
01:22:14 --> 01:22:19
			so forth. And then you have the
Wuah. Okay, so the animal body
		
01:22:19 --> 01:22:22
			that Allah subhanaw taala created,
remember, we said that it came in
		
01:22:22 --> 01:22:25
			went through a process, and much
like animals go through a process,
		
01:22:25 --> 01:22:28
			and so on and so forth. So, and
yet the rule that Allah subhanaw
		
01:22:28 --> 01:22:33
			taala puts in the human being is
by way of his other. Here's the
		
01:22:33 --> 01:22:39
			thing in Ramadan, it's as if Allah
subhanaw taala is saying 11 months
		
01:22:39 --> 01:22:43
			out of the year, you eat and you
drink, and you do whatever you
		
01:22:43 --> 01:22:48
			want, right. And if we were to
take a horse motif, in other
		
01:22:48 --> 01:22:51
			words, like a, an analogy, based
on a horse and a rider, and that's
		
01:22:51 --> 01:22:57
			why this is in the picture, your
body, your material body, with its
		
01:22:57 --> 01:23:01
			desires is like the horse. The
rule is like the writer, the one
		
01:23:01 --> 01:23:04
			that's riding the horse and trying
to control the horse, 11 months
		
01:23:04 --> 01:23:08
			out of the year, the horse because
you've been feeding it, like all
		
01:23:08 --> 01:23:11
			the food, right? So when you think
about your material body, where
		
01:23:11 --> 01:23:15
			does the food come from? The food
comes from where it came from, the
		
01:23:15 --> 01:23:20
			material body was created from
Earth, Dean, etc. The body was
		
01:23:20 --> 01:23:24
			created from Earth, it gets its
food from the earth, right? So you
		
01:23:24 --> 01:23:26
			know, you're gonna get, you're
gonna get vegetables and fruits,
		
01:23:26 --> 01:23:29
			and all that is from an earthly
material. So when it needs
		
01:23:29 --> 01:23:32
			sustenance, when it needs support,
it's going to be taken from the
		
01:23:32 --> 01:23:36
			place that it came from, which is
the earth, right? So it gets its
		
01:23:36 --> 01:23:39
			sustenance from the earth. And so
11 months out of the year, this
		
01:23:39 --> 01:23:42
			horse that has been fed all of
them what's out of year, it's
		
01:23:42 --> 01:23:47
			running wild like crazy. Why?
Because of the rider perhaps isn't
		
01:23:47 --> 01:23:52
			that strong? Because the rider
needs to be strengthened. So how
		
01:23:52 --> 01:23:56
			do you strengthen the rider? Well,
you give the rider food from its
		
01:23:56 --> 01:24:01
			source, the writer here being the
rule, where does the writer get
		
01:24:01 --> 01:24:06
			its source? Where does the rule
get its get its sustenance? From
		
01:24:06 --> 01:24:11
			its source? What is the source?
The amount of Allah? And how does
		
01:24:11 --> 01:24:15
			Allah issue around it? How does
Allah issue commands, confer your
		
01:24:15 --> 01:24:19
			code by the Kalam? Do we have
access to that Kalam? Yeah, the
		
01:24:19 --> 01:24:23
			Quran? So how do you strengthen
the writer? It's by way of Quran.
		
01:24:24 --> 01:24:28
			Right? So the Quran member neutron
Allah, no Light upon light. So you
		
01:24:28 --> 01:24:32
			strengthen the writer by way of
Quran. So what happens in Ramadan,
		
01:24:33 --> 01:24:37
			you take food away from the horse,
because you're fasting, and you're
		
01:24:37 --> 01:24:41
			spending the day weakening the
horse, and you're spending the
		
01:24:41 --> 01:24:47
			nights in taraweeh strengthening
the writer. Right? And so we find
		
01:24:47 --> 01:24:51
			that the very purpose of fasting
isn't just to feel how the poor
		
01:24:51 --> 01:24:54
			feel, but rather it has a deep
spiritual significance because
		
01:24:54 --> 01:24:58
			it's supposed to elevate. So if we
were to say as an example,
		
01:24:58 --> 01:25:00
			inviting someone to feel
		
01:25:00 --> 01:25:03
			asked, it's not only inviting
someone to fast but connecting the
		
01:25:03 --> 01:25:07
			idea of fasting spirituality, what
is the phenomenon here? What are
		
01:25:07 --> 01:25:10
			we trying to do? Right? When we're
fasting, we understand that
		
01:25:10 --> 01:25:14
			there's a bodily component,
there's an animalistic reality.
		
01:25:14 --> 01:25:17
			And then there you can say, is an
agile angelic reality, right? The
		
01:25:17 --> 01:25:21
			rule and strengthening the rule.
And so really highlighting the
		
01:25:21 --> 01:25:26
			concept of that, that dynamic,
that interplay between the rule
		
01:25:26 --> 01:25:30
			and the body, and so on, so forth.
So one way would be to expose
		
01:25:30 --> 01:25:34
			someone to fasting, right, invite
them to fast expose someone to the
		
01:25:34 --> 01:25:38
			Quran, because we understand that
the Quran is multifaceted, multi
		
01:25:38 --> 01:25:45
			layered, and not only it's, it's
it's not only its wording and the
		
01:25:45 --> 01:25:48
			arguments that it presents, but
it's multi layered in the sense
		
01:25:48 --> 01:25:53
			that it's acoustics are something
that are attractive to the heart
		
01:25:53 --> 01:25:56
			to the rule, right? Neuronal are
no right or left relation, the
		
01:25:56 --> 01:26:02
			light of revelation upon the light
of the, the rule. So it's
		
01:26:02 --> 01:26:06
			acoustics are attractive, its
meaning is attractive, its
		
01:26:06 --> 01:26:10
			structure is attractive. It's
recitation is attractive, the
		
01:26:10 --> 01:26:13
			prayer one does by reciting the
Quran is attractive, and so on and
		
01:26:13 --> 01:26:16
			so forth attractive to the rule.
So having someone exposed to the
		
01:26:16 --> 01:26:18
			Quran, witnessing the tarawih
prayers.
		
01:26:20 --> 01:26:23
			Now, here's the thing, and this is
the last point I'll make. So we
		
01:26:23 --> 01:26:27
			spoke about the human being
spirituality, hopefully, we gave
		
01:26:28 --> 01:26:32
			a good understanding of Islamic
spirituality. Now, what if someone
		
01:26:32 --> 01:26:36
			comes and says, Well, I've had
spiritual experiences, up to this,
		
01:26:37 --> 01:26:41
			hopefully, we've now understood
that spiritual experiences can you
		
01:26:41 --> 01:26:46
			can have them. But that doesn't
mean that will lead to true
		
01:26:46 --> 01:26:50
			spirituality, true. Iman, in a
sense, or even as sun, because
		
01:26:51 --> 01:26:55
			axon is based upon Iman, which we
said was stability, what kind of
		
01:26:55 --> 01:26:59
			stability, spiritual tranquility
and stability, but also rational
		
01:26:59 --> 01:27:03
			stability and security. So if
someone says, I've had a spiritual
		
01:27:03 --> 01:27:07
			experience, we're not going to
deny that experience. You don't
		
01:27:07 --> 01:27:09
			say like, No, you didn't
experience it, because they did.
		
01:27:09 --> 01:27:13
			You can't deny someone's personal,
you know, first person experience
		
01:27:13 --> 01:27:17
			that they've had. But what you
would encourage the person to do
		
01:27:17 --> 01:27:21
			is to stand in the possibility
that there's a different
		
01:27:21 --> 01:27:26
			interpretation, one that is more
holistic, that gives you
		
01:27:26 --> 01:27:30
			tranquility, rationally and
spiritually, by way of your
		
01:27:30 --> 01:27:34
			knowledge and by way of your
heart, mind and soul, right. And
		
01:27:34 --> 01:27:40
			body from one perspective, right.
And so, having the person saying,
		
01:27:40 --> 01:27:43
			Look, you have this particular
experience, like someone like I
		
01:27:43 --> 01:27:45
			was mentioning about the the
person who said, I was addicted to
		
01:27:45 --> 01:27:47
			drugs, and so on and so forth.
		
01:27:48 --> 01:27:52
			By saying, like, look, is it
possible that that spiritual
		
01:27:52 --> 01:27:57
			experience you had has more to do
with the one true God? And that
		
01:27:57 --> 01:28:03
			that one true God is the one who
brought you that tranquility? And
		
01:28:03 --> 01:28:08
			also, it's very clear about who
that one God is right? That he is
		
01:28:08 --> 01:28:11
			a Rahman Rahim. And he is one that
he's not three and one, and so on
		
01:28:11 --> 01:28:16
			and so forth. Right? So
encouraging the person to stand in
		
01:28:16 --> 01:28:21
			the possibility that there's a
different explanation, or there's
		
01:28:21 --> 01:28:24
			a different meaning to the
spiritual experience that they
		
01:28:24 --> 01:28:28
			might have had. Right? So someone
says, I experienced Jesus, right?
		
01:28:28 --> 01:28:31
			Standing in the possibility that
there's a different meaning to
		
01:28:31 --> 01:28:35
			their spiritual experience, right?
Understand, understanding that
		
01:28:35 --> 01:28:40
			they're coming from a specific
worldview, and that their paradigm
		
01:28:41 --> 01:28:44
			is going to have an effect on how
they understand something. So just
		
01:28:44 --> 01:28:47
			having the person stand and the
possibility, the explanation that
		
01:28:47 --> 01:28:51
			they've given their spiritual
experience. It, there may be
		
01:28:51 --> 01:28:56
			another explanation. Right. So
that basically is what I wanted to
		
01:28:58 --> 01:29:02
			wanted to basically cover. We can
look and see if there's any sort
		
01:29:02 --> 01:29:03
			of questions.
		
01:29:05 --> 01:29:05
			Let's see.
		
01:29:07 --> 01:29:10
			So looks like a lot of questions
as I was speaking so.
		
01:29:13 --> 01:29:14
			Well, alright.
		
01:29:19 --> 01:29:20
			Let's see here.
		
01:29:23 --> 01:29:24
			So someone said,
		
01:29:25 --> 01:29:28
			you're actually refuting the
attribute of a logical rock man or
		
01:29:28 --> 01:29:31
			him? So I don't really see how I'm
refuting that.
		
01:29:33 --> 01:29:36
			Are you saying I'm refuting that
or you as the Dyer is refuting
		
01:29:36 --> 01:29:38
			that? I don't follow.
		
01:29:42 --> 01:29:43
			Let's see. So
		
01:29:46 --> 01:29:49
			So someone asked, can you say that
the experience was just merely a
		
01:29:49 --> 01:29:49
			dream?
		
01:29:51 --> 01:29:53
			I think that'd be kind of
difficult to say, you know,
		
01:29:53 --> 01:29:56
			because people understand dream
states. They know when they go to
		
01:29:56 --> 01:29:58
			sleep and they're, they're
dreaming. I think it might be
		
01:29:58 --> 01:29:59
			difficult, I think
		
01:30:00 --> 01:30:06
			a better explanation would be to,
to say that, you know, that that
		
01:30:06 --> 01:30:09
			the interpretation is something
else, right? I'm gonna have to
		
01:30:09 --> 01:30:13
			have more of a specific example.
You know, because some experiences
		
01:30:13 --> 01:30:19
			which people consider to be
spiritual, in fact, are not really
		
01:30:19 --> 01:30:23
			spiritual from, from a true
spirituality understanding, right?
		
01:30:23 --> 01:30:26
			So someone say, Look, you know, I,
I took a mushroom, and I had these
		
01:30:26 --> 01:30:30
			crazy experiences, I saw aliens
and things like that. Okay, but
		
01:30:30 --> 01:30:35
			perhaps, you know, that short
lives experience that you had, has
		
01:30:35 --> 01:30:38
			a different explanation, it has
more to do with the neural
		
01:30:38 --> 01:30:41
			chemicals or whatever it might be.
And that things that you're seeing
		
01:30:41 --> 01:30:44
			are just not really the
explanation. That's correct,
		
01:30:44 --> 01:30:47
			right? Or what explanation to
you've given it and I'm not sure
		
01:30:47 --> 01:30:50
			what explanation they would give
it. But it would depend on what
		
01:30:50 --> 01:30:52
			they would say the explanation is,
or taking something like
		
01:30:55 --> 01:30:58
			I don't know, ghosts, I saw
ghosts, even though that's not
		
01:30:58 --> 01:31:02
			really a spiritual experience,
experience. But if someone says I
		
01:31:02 --> 01:31:05
			saw ghosts, like Yeah, okay, and
so what sort of interpretation? Do
		
01:31:05 --> 01:31:08
			you give that particular
experience while the someone who
		
01:31:08 --> 01:31:11
			came back from the dead and so on
and so forth? Okay.
		
01:31:12 --> 01:31:16
			But is it possible that that can
be explained by the Islamic
		
01:31:16 --> 01:31:19
			paradigm and then you can speak
about jinn and so on and so forth?
		
01:31:19 --> 01:31:21
			But I don't know if that would
constitute as a spiritual
		
01:31:21 --> 01:31:24
			experience? I think a spiritual
experience experience is more of
		
01:31:24 --> 01:31:27
			something that's very personal. No
one knows best.
		
01:31:30 --> 01:31:32
			So any other questions?
		
01:31:40 --> 01:31:41
			Let's see.
		
01:31:42 --> 01:31:45
			So if you did ask them questions,
go ahead and repost them if you
		
01:31:45 --> 01:31:46
			cut out appreciate it.
		
01:31:47 --> 01:31:53
			Souls is consciousness, knifes is
body, um, a very, very, very
		
01:31:53 --> 01:31:57
			simplified way of looking at it.
Yes. But the issue is that the
		
01:31:57 --> 01:31:59
			term knifes
		
01:32:00 --> 01:32:04
			within Islamic source material is
used in different ways. Right? So
		
01:32:04 --> 01:32:09
			nuts can include the entire human
personality, right? So like the
		
01:32:09 --> 01:32:11
			concept of AI, like it's an
ontological
		
01:32:13 --> 01:32:17
			statement, right? So when you say
Anna, or you know, Nuptse, like,
		
01:32:17 --> 01:32:20
			that's myself. It's not refer
like, we asked like, What do you
		
01:32:20 --> 01:32:24
			mean by yourself your knifes. So
nuts can refer to the self itself,
		
01:32:24 --> 01:32:28
			right? Like yourself itself, it
can refer to the entire
		
01:32:28 --> 01:32:32
			personality. In fact, Allah
subhanho wa Taala uses that term
		
01:32:32 --> 01:32:36
			to refer to himself, right? But
here, we're not going to say that
		
01:32:36 --> 01:32:39
			he's out to build some sort of a
body, right? Obviously, he's
		
01:32:39 --> 01:32:42
			referring to the idea of him being
a,
		
01:32:44 --> 01:32:47
			you know, like a beam, right? So
when you have the Docomo Allahu
		
01:32:47 --> 01:32:52
			NAFSA, so Allah warns you from
himself, here, we're talking about
		
01:32:53 --> 01:32:58
			self as a separate construct than
what we were speaking about. So
		
01:32:58 --> 01:33:01
			depending on the context of where
we're using the term knifes in
		
01:33:01 --> 01:33:05
			Arabic, you're going to have to
interpret it like that. Right? And
		
01:33:05 --> 01:33:06
			Allah knows best.
		
01:33:08 --> 01:33:10
			So someone said, What is your
thought? What are your thoughts on
		
01:33:10 --> 01:33:14
			reciting Quran in public spaces in
the West? I think it would depend
		
01:33:14 --> 01:33:19
			on where you're reciting it. And,
you know, if the occasion calls
		
01:33:19 --> 01:33:23
			for a recitation, right? Sometimes
it can be quite,
		
01:33:25 --> 01:33:29
			it can be quite, it can have the
opposite effect. Meaning that, you
		
01:33:29 --> 01:33:32
			know, that if, if, if you're in a
busy place, and
		
01:33:33 --> 01:33:36
			you know, maybe it might, people
might not appreciate it, right,
		
01:33:36 --> 01:33:38
			especially if people are in the
middle of something, they're doing
		
01:33:38 --> 01:33:42
			something trying to listen to
something. But you know, if it's a
		
01:33:42 --> 01:33:46
			public place, I don't know, again,
I think it'd be very situational.
		
01:33:46 --> 01:33:51
			It depends. Allah knows best. Any
other questions? Can we have a
		
01:33:51 --> 01:33:56
			seminar on philosophy of Islam?
Seems like a very big topic, but
		
01:33:56 --> 01:34:01
			what I'll recommend is that our,
our brother, Mohammed hijab, is
		
01:34:02 --> 01:34:07
			doing a series called London Nia,
which he's written the poem. And
		
01:34:07 --> 01:34:12
			he's explaining from that poem,
Theo, philosophical points related
		
01:34:12 --> 01:34:17
			to Islam and its comparison to
other, you know, philosophies that
		
01:34:17 --> 01:34:20
			are out there that run antagonists
to Islam. So I think the recent
		
01:34:20 --> 01:34:24
			one he did was on feminism, etc.
So
		
01:34:28 --> 01:34:31
			do we have priorities in terms of
which methodologies to choose from
		
01:34:31 --> 01:34:35
			when giving dower like the ones
you gave? Which do we prioritize?
		
01:34:36 --> 01:34:38
			So again, it's going to be very
situational.
		
01:34:41 --> 01:34:44
			You know, I don't know if you can
say you prioritize one obviously,
		
01:34:44 --> 01:34:46
			you're going to prioritize
Tawheed.
		
01:34:47 --> 01:34:50
			That's not necessarily Tawheed in
the sense that
		
01:34:52 --> 01:34:55
			as a rational argument, because
when we understand Tawheed, we
		
01:34:55 --> 01:34:58
			understand that there's a certain
concept of dying, right? That that
		
01:34:58 --> 01:34:59
			is the bare minimum
		
01:35:00 --> 01:35:02
			One that you need to present to
someone at least gives them the
		
01:35:02 --> 01:35:04
			understanding of what the heat is.
		
01:35:06 --> 01:35:10
			And this is and really, that's
what you're obligated to do. Now,
		
01:35:10 --> 01:35:14
			that being the case, there's gonna
be different ways of how you
		
01:35:14 --> 01:35:17
			present what Tawheed really is,
what does it mean? Like we just
		
01:35:17 --> 01:35:19
			got done speaking about Iman.
		
01:35:20 --> 01:35:25
			But essentially, we're tying it to
the hate. So it's going to depend
		
01:35:25 --> 01:35:29
			on the person, like, you know, are
they a spiritual person, or, you
		
01:35:29 --> 01:35:35
			know, some people, they are very
kind of analytical in how they
		
01:35:35 --> 01:35:37
			look at the world and things like
that. And for them, rational
		
01:35:37 --> 01:35:40
			arguments might be the way to go.
Some people are less analytical,
		
01:35:40 --> 01:35:44
			some people need more spiritual
experiences. So it really is going
		
01:35:44 --> 01:35:46
			to depend upon the person
themselves, how much you know
		
01:35:46 --> 01:35:50
			about them, their own culture and
background. You know, what I think
		
01:35:50 --> 01:35:52
			is really fascinating. I was
		
01:35:53 --> 01:35:54
			reading a little bit about
		
01:35:58 --> 01:36:01
			a bit of Loony, right, I think
that's how you say no, and he was
		
01:36:01 --> 01:36:03
			the one that accompanied
		
01:36:04 --> 01:36:09
			muda husbandry, when they went and
they, you know, went and took over
		
01:36:09 --> 01:36:12
			India, at the time, if he no
matter what there was no way he
		
01:36:12 --> 01:36:15
			did 17 excursions deep in the
heart of India. So he had a
		
01:36:15 --> 01:36:19
			scholar with him. And that scholar
wrote, wrote a quite an extensive
		
01:36:19 --> 01:36:21
			Tract on
		
01:36:22 --> 01:36:27
			what you would call like the the
Hindu practices of that time
		
01:36:27 --> 01:36:30
			period. But what's interesting is
that he wrote it in such a way to
		
01:36:30 --> 01:36:34
			understand that these people have
XY and Z ideas, like they have
		
01:36:34 --> 01:36:38
			certain Shi'a they have certain
symbols, and to understand what
		
01:36:38 --> 01:36:42
			their symbols are, it means to
understand how to make Dow to them
		
01:36:42 --> 01:36:46
			the best. And so a lot of the Dow
that was done, sometimes it went
		
01:36:46 --> 01:36:50
			to some extremes, but had to do
with more of a spiritual type of
		
01:36:50 --> 01:36:54
			presentation of Islam, right for
the idea that understanding that
		
01:36:54 --> 01:36:57
			that's where the the background
was of the people that they're
		
01:36:57 --> 01:37:01
			addressing. So it really depends,
I mean, you're gonna have to kind
		
01:37:01 --> 01:37:03
			of see what the background of the
person is, where they're coming
		
01:37:03 --> 01:37:07
			from, what culture they're from,
and so on, and so forth. Lord
		
01:37:07 --> 01:37:07
			knows best.
		
01:37:11 --> 01:37:16
			Let's see. Any other questions? I
think we have a few more minutes,
		
01:37:16 --> 01:37:17
			if there are any.
		
01:37:23 --> 01:37:27
			Oh, this is a good one. Can
experiential signs be objective?
		
01:37:28 --> 01:37:28
			Right.
		
01:37:30 --> 01:37:33
			I think that's, that's, that's a
tough call. Right?
		
01:37:34 --> 01:37:39
			I would say certain signs can be
objective, but objective, in what
		
01:37:39 --> 01:37:42
			sense? So I would argue and I've
argued this in the seminar, which
		
01:37:42 --> 01:37:44
			I did on beauty and the
recognition of God, that the
		
01:37:44 --> 01:37:46
			natural world
		
01:37:47 --> 01:37:50
			recognizing beauty in the natural
world is most definitely
		
01:37:50 --> 01:37:55
			objective. However, beauty in the
hands of human beings like art and
		
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			things like that, that's
definitely going to be subjective,
		
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			right? And we know this not
necessarily through some sort of
		
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			discursive reasoning. We know this
by way of experience, right? So
		
01:38:07 --> 01:38:10
			the objectivity of nature is
something we see all around us
		
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			when people are trying to sell a
cereal, this is all natural,
		
01:38:13 --> 01:38:15
			right? Or, you know, they're
selling us whatever, right?
		
01:38:15 --> 01:38:19
			Protein Powder, all natural,
whatever it might be, but why?
		
01:38:19 --> 01:38:24
			Like, it's almost as if all
natural or nature is a type of
		
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			meta phenomenon, right? So you
know, they have the concept of the
		
01:38:29 --> 01:38:31
			the true the good and the
beautiful. So you can't say
		
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			something is you know, true is
your baseline Right?
		
01:38:38 --> 01:38:42
			to Chico zoo to in his book The
ethical
		
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			What do you say the the something
ethical something concepts in
		
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			Islam or in the Quran,
		
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			he mentioned that there are
certain terms that are like their
		
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			meta terms. And they are
secondary, and you have primary
		
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			terms that are built upon it,
right. And so you have for
		
01:39:01 --> 01:39:06
			instance, good. Now, you use good
as your starting point, you build
		
01:39:06 --> 01:39:10
			terms upon it. So you say, Okay,
so, you know, a massage would be
		
01:39:10 --> 01:39:14
			good. Okay, well, would good, be
good. Okay, but that's, that's
		
01:39:14 --> 01:39:17
			your lowest point. You can't go
beyond good, right? Similarly,
		
01:39:17 --> 01:39:22
			truth. You know, I believe X
because it's true. What is true,
		
01:39:22 --> 01:39:26
			true. See out, so then you also
have beauty. You can't say like,
		
01:39:26 --> 01:39:30
			oh, I look at something because
it's beautiful. is beautiful, is
		
01:39:30 --> 01:39:34
			beauty. Beautiful. So you
understand that? So from that
		
01:39:34 --> 01:39:36
			perspective, I would say you could
say natural beauty would be
		
01:39:37 --> 01:39:40
			objective, like you experience
natural beauty, and that's an
		
01:39:40 --> 01:39:45
			objective experience. Right?
Whereas human made beauty, it has
		
01:39:45 --> 01:39:50
			certain certain things that make
it intrinsically subjective. So
		
01:39:50 --> 01:39:53
			for instance, it's subjective,
from the point of view that when
		
01:39:53 --> 01:39:56
			someone is painting, even if
they're painting a mountain, it's
		
01:39:56 --> 01:39:59
			going to be framed. So you're
looking at it from the subjective
		
01:40:00 --> 01:40:04
			view of the person that's doing
the painting, right? Because it's
		
01:40:04 --> 01:40:07
			got framing, whereas in the
natural world, there is no
		
01:40:07 --> 01:40:11
			framing. It's just vast. Right?
The vastness of nature is there's
		
01:40:11 --> 01:40:14
			no framing, there's no kind of
human perspective, x with the
		
01:40:14 --> 01:40:18
			exception of your own. Right. So
from that perspective, I would say
		
01:40:18 --> 01:40:21
			its objective can be objective. No
one knows best.
		
01:40:29 --> 01:40:32
			So you like the word order better?
Maybe you're more analytical man.
		
01:40:32 --> 01:40:33
			I don't know.
		
01:40:35 --> 01:40:39
			I look at it as a wow. It's, it's
beautiful. Jimmy.
		
01:40:40 --> 01:40:43
			I don't know if I'll go to my wife
and say you look very orderly
		
01:40:43 --> 01:40:43
			today.
		
01:40:45 --> 01:40:46
			Anyway.
		
01:40:48 --> 01:40:48
			Okay.
		
01:40:51 --> 01:40:53
			All right. Any other questions?
I'm trying, I'm gonna try to
		
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			scroll up here. And see.
		
01:41:06 --> 01:41:09
			Okay, so you've got a question,
but I think it's outside the scope
		
01:41:09 --> 01:41:11
			of what we're speaking about.
Right. So you said how can you
		
01:41:11 --> 01:41:16
			prove to an atheist existing, the
existing of consciousness?
		
01:41:18 --> 01:41:21
			Where would it go and how it's
related to the soul and knifes,
		
01:41:21 --> 01:41:24
			we'll see, again, when we come to
this whole concept of trying to
		
01:41:24 --> 01:41:26
			prove something to someone.
		
01:41:27 --> 01:41:35
			I think that's sort of discourse.
It's, it becomes sometimes it can
		
01:41:35 --> 01:41:40
			be counterproductive, right?
Because the very idea of okay, I'm
		
01:41:40 --> 01:41:42
			going to prove this to a person or
prove that to a person.
		
01:41:44 --> 01:41:47
			Try to transcend that try to
transcend that sort of verbiage
		
01:41:47 --> 01:41:49
			that I'm gonna prove consciousness
or improve that consciousness is
		
01:41:49 --> 01:41:53
			something that Jani you know, a
person is conscious, they know
		
01:41:53 --> 01:41:55
			they're conscious, right? It's,
it's not, it's not really a
		
01:41:55 --> 01:41:57
			phenomenon, that you're going to
sit there and say, Oh, let me
		
01:41:57 --> 01:41:59
			prove consciousness to you.
Because you're going to, you're
		
01:41:59 --> 01:42:03
			going to enter into a rabbit hole
trying to do that, right. As far
		
01:42:03 --> 01:42:06
			as the soul and the knifes and
things like that, I mean, you
		
01:42:06 --> 01:42:09
			know, to be very honest, the type
of
		
01:42:10 --> 01:42:14
			certainty you would get by way of
experience is at a higher level
		
01:42:14 --> 01:42:18
			than what you may get as a as a
rational endeavor. Like, I'll give
		
01:42:18 --> 01:42:21
			you an example. So you know, in
the Islamic framework, we know
		
01:42:21 --> 01:42:24
			that there are three levels of
European three levels of
		
01:42:24 --> 01:42:30
			certainty, right? You have you
have anybody again, I know Lea
		
01:42:30 --> 01:42:34
			clean and happily agreed. So
Emily, clean is a rational
		
01:42:34 --> 01:42:39
			certainty, right? So just take the
quintessential example. Everyone
		
01:42:39 --> 01:42:43
			knows they're gonna die. Like
death, you know that you
		
01:42:43 --> 01:42:45
			understand that? That's a reality,
you're gonna die, right? Very few
		
01:42:45 --> 01:42:48
			people think, Okay, well, I'm
gonna live forever. You know,
		
01:42:48 --> 01:42:51
			especially when you get older,
right? Maybe as a young person,
		
01:42:51 --> 01:42:54
			you might think that you might not
even think about it at all. But
		
01:42:54 --> 01:42:59
			you have that as a not, you're
certain about that. Now, when the
		
01:42:59 --> 01:43:02
			angel of death is knocking at your
door, and you see the Angel of
		
01:43:02 --> 01:43:06
			Death, you have idled your pain.
You can see the Angel of Death,
		
01:43:07 --> 01:43:11
			right? And so now you're even more
sure. And then when you have the
		
01:43:11 --> 01:43:17
			experience of your soul being
pulled out of your body, you are
		
01:43:17 --> 01:43:20
			you can't be any more sure,
because of the experience you
		
01:43:20 --> 01:43:26
			directly had. Right? So Elmo your
pain. I know you're clean, happily
		
01:43:26 --> 01:43:30
			agreed, right? And this is kind of
a kind of a nice construct of
		
01:43:30 --> 01:43:33
			understanding certainty as well,
that you can give someone
		
01:43:33 --> 01:43:37
			knowledge like it will create you
mentions something really
		
01:43:37 --> 01:43:43
			interesting. He says, imagine if
you never tasted sugar. Now you
		
01:43:43 --> 01:43:48
			have a good friend, you trust him,
you know him, he is like your best
		
01:43:48 --> 01:43:50
			friend. He's the most honest
person, you know, and he tells
		
01:43:50 --> 01:43:57
			you, sugar tastes great. It's very
sweet. Right? And you say, Okay,
		
01:43:57 --> 01:43:59
			well, that's, that's good. So now
you have a certain knowledge of
		
01:43:59 --> 01:44:02
			sugar being sweet like because you
have testimonial knowledge, he
		
01:44:02 --> 01:44:06
			told you and you trust him and so
on and so forth. And then you see
		
01:44:06 --> 01:44:10
			that sugar is used in certain
desserts. So you see that this
		
01:44:10 --> 01:44:13
			person is putting sugar in cake or
whatever it might be. So now
		
01:44:13 --> 01:44:16
			you're like, okay, so you're
certainly is increased what they
		
01:44:16 --> 01:44:19
			want to do sugar unless, you know,
unless they're gonna make dessert,
		
01:44:19 --> 01:44:25
			right? And then you taste sugar.
Now that direct experience of
		
01:44:25 --> 01:44:30
			tasting sugar has increased your
your opinion to at its apex.
		
01:44:30 --> 01:44:36
			Right. So my point in mentioning
that is that you know, it's the
		
01:44:36 --> 01:44:41
			whole kind of verbiage that we use
about proving this or proving that
		
01:44:42 --> 01:44:45
			I think it's time we kind of
transcend that and we try to have
		
01:44:45 --> 01:44:48
			a more holistic approach
Inshallah, right, because frankly,
		
01:44:48 --> 01:44:51
			trying to prove the consciousness
I don't know that's a tough one.
		
01:44:53 --> 01:44:56
			Let's see. So let's do one more
question Inshallah, if anyone has
		
01:44:56 --> 01:44:57
			one, and if not,
		
01:44:59 --> 01:45:00
			let's see
		
01:45:00 --> 01:45:00
			II
		
01:45:07 --> 01:45:10
			let's see a quick Nimi now Okay,
so
		
01:45:12 --> 01:45:15
			Okay, good deal. All right, I
think that's good.
		
01:45:16 --> 01:45:20
			So, we'll go ahead and ended here
in Sharla. Zuckerman, Ohio May
		
01:45:20 --> 01:45:23
			Allah subhanaw taala bless all of
you bless all of you for
		
01:45:23 --> 01:45:27
			attending. If you've got a bit
monotonous and boring in between
		
01:45:27 --> 01:45:28
			my apologies about that,
		
01:45:29 --> 01:45:31
			you know, I, I tried to
		
01:45:32 --> 01:45:36
			present the material as best as I
could. So there was some fault or
		
01:45:36 --> 01:45:36
			some,
		
01:45:38 --> 01:45:41
			you know, some some mistakes or
whatever it might be, that's all
		
01:45:41 --> 01:45:45
			for myself or from shaitan and he
sort of benefits all from Allah
		
01:45:45 --> 01:45:48
			subhanho wa Taala May Allah bless
you and bless all your families,
		
01:45:48 --> 01:45:50
			just like Mohammed said. I'm a
late comer Abdullah.