Ali Ataie – Why No Longer Debates Christian Apologists & Ex Muslims

These people are Mustahazi.

Right? And and it's it's impermissible for us

to even sit with them.

You know? A Mustahazi is someone who mocks

and ridicules

the religion, who mocks and ridicules the prophet

sallallahu alaihi wa sallam. We're not even supposed

to give them a platform.

Don't even just completely ignore them.

Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala says, what

does he

say?

What

does

he say? Allah says, I will suffice you

with respect to the mustahazeen.

In other words,

I'll take care of them.

Like Abu Jahl and Abu Lahab.

Right?

There's a few 7 or 8 of them

that were known. All of them all of

them were killed at Badr, or they died

from disease.

You know?

So

I wouldn't engage I would be very discriminatory

as to who you engage with,

Even if you're claiming to be Christian and

they come to you with smiles and this

and that and,

you know, I I learned my lessons the

hard way. I mean, there was a Coptic

Christian guy who was smiling and talking about

love, this and that, and

he wanted to have a debate with me

in 2003.

And I said, yeah. We met the night

before at a hotel and we were very

cordial and this and that. And

and then the next day at the event,

he had 3 other debaters. So it's like

a 4 against 1.

And 2 of these guys were, like, fluent

in Arabic, and they knew, like, Baran and

Hadith and everything. I mean, he still won.

I mean, come on.

We took care of business. You know? I

remember the MSA was panicking, and they're calling.

We're gonna try to get this local imam

to come help you. I said, relax, brother.

The hawk will win.

And then, it was just

but it got it got to a point

because they were losing, it got to a

point where this man who's who's a he's

a Coptic

he's a Coptic priest, he became belligerent and

started slandering the prophet, say, salam.

And at that point, we we can't.

You know? You know? Lesson learned. Right?

But you're right. It's the same issues, you

know, they're bringing up marriages of the prophet

and

they bring up, the fact that the prophet,

say, salam, was a military

leader,

and all of this is hypocrisy.

I mean,

I mean, if you look at the if

you look at all of the casualties

in every battle of the prophet,

he did he actually

did a study on this, and he said

there's about

1,018

casualties

in all of the kazawat of the prophet,

enemy and Muslim, mushrikeen and Muslims, a 100

a 1,018 men in 23 years, all men

on the battlefield.

Right?

Musa alaihi salaam in Exodus 34, he comes

down the mountain. He sees his own people

worshiping the golden calf. He orders 3,000 men

slaughtered on the spot

in one night,

but he's a prophet. But the prophet

oh, no.

He can't be a

prophet. K? This is total hypocrisy.

And then, you know, they bring up things

like preservation of the Quran and things like

that. What they're doing is they're banking on

Muslim ignorance of their own text.

They know a lot of Muslims. They've never

heard of qira'at. They've never heard of the

Ahrefa Saba'a.

So they'll bring, like, a Quran. It says,

malik yomideen,

mal with a dagger alif, and another Quran

says malik yomideen,

malik malik. Oh, 2 different Qurans.

And then the Muslim,

the du'at, that are very young,

right, they're there and they're doing their best.

They start going they they have this cognitive

dissonance.

You wrote this Koran.

You. This is a fabrication. You're calling this

a fabrication?

Yeah. Oh, really?

You know?

So

a lot of it sort of, you know,

smoke and mirrors. It's the same stuff regurgitated.

I don't find any strong arguments coming from

the Christian side.

You know? But, you know, we we have

to be cordial with people.

These kind of debates that are highly polemical

I mean, I I debated

this other guy. I'm not gonna mention his

name. Very popular

on YouTube, and this was about 16 years

ago.

You know?

And it's a prob it was bad idea.

But,

you know, we should have adab with people.

We should be discriminatory

with people as to who we debate.

And at the end of the day,

Right? So we should inform we should inform

with adab. The Quran tells us how to

make dua.

Right?

So call people to the way of your

Lord with hikmah, which means dala'il according to

Muhammad Zamafshari and others. He says it means

with proofs, scriptural proofs, rational proofs, historical proofs.

Well

means good, absolute, good comportment,

right, with adab.

Right? So both of these have to

have to work, inshallah.

But, you know, we shouldn't we shouldn't disrespect

people's religions.

We shouldn't,

you know, mock people. This is not the

sunnah. You know, we're we're all guilty of

this, doing things like this in the past.

So we make tawba. We ask Allah to

forgive us because we'll be hindering people from

the path of Allah

We don't want that to happen. Allah says

don't curse their gods or else they're gonna

curse Allah.

Right?

So we could point things out to them,

you know, with adab. It's very difficult to

do. I don't have the temperament for debate

anymore. This is what I've learned. I don't

have the temperament because I let my ego

get involved, and I I can't do it.

I I I would I thought that when

I got older, I would be more patient,

but I've just become a crotchety old man.

I don't wanna hear these bad arguments anymore.

You can miss me with all of that

now. I don't wanna hear it anymore.

I've already dealt I've already dealt with it.