Ali Ataie – The Abrahamic Concept of Sacrifice in Biblical & Qur’anic Narratives of Isaac & Ishmael Ataie

Ali Ataie
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The transcript discusses the sacrifice of Abraham during the holy month, highlighting the names of prophets and the importance of studying scripture for understanding the identity of the sun and beast. There is a dispute over whether or not the Bible is a source of confusion for some Muslim exegtes, but the holy grail is seen as a way to be a woman. The importance of teaching true lessons is emphasized, and the holy grail is seen as a way to be a woman.
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Let's talk about the

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narratives of the sacrifice. Sacrifice from Sakhra and

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Fakhere,

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from the Latin

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meaning to do something sacred.

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That's loghatan in its etymology

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and its

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technical meaning to give up something for God,

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right?

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So

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when we look at

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the biblical narrative

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Genesis 22

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and I won't talk for that long because

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we're on a time crunch and we need

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to eat and I'm smelling burgers.

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Anyway, Genesis 22,

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This passage is actually called Ha'aheda,

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which means the binding, the binding of Isaac.

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There's a hapax legamanon, that's one of those

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fancy words we like to throw out there.

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This is a word that only

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occurs once in the entire scripture,

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and he bound

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him. Right?

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The word aqidah in Hebrew is related to

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the word aqidah

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in Arabic,

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Aqidah sometimes translated as creed

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or beliefs that are binding upon you,

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right? So we are told here that God

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said to Abraham, take your son, your only

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son whom you love,

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and Isaac and offer him. Take your son

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sorry take your son your only son whom

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you love and offer him on Mount Moriah.

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Now interestingly

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we know that Abraham had

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more than one son during this time. His

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firstborn son according to the Torah

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was

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Ishmael

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but if you listen to or if you're

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familiar with anti Muslim rhetoric or polemics

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they'll say yeah but you know Abraham is

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commanding Ishmael or sorry

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Abraham

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to sacrifice the son whom he loves.

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Right?

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So implying that he doesn't love his other

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son. He doesn't love Ishmael.

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Right? Which is very interesting because

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if you go to the commentaries, rabbinical commentaries

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on this verse, 22:2 of Genesis of Beresheet

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For example, Rashi,

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Rabbi Shlomo Iqsaqi

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who is the father of Jewish exegesis,

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a European rabbi who died I think the

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12th century of the common era.

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In his exegesis of the Aqedah passage

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he quotes from the Talmud

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Sanhedrin

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89b

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which gives the fuller dialogue because

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Orthodox Jews believe in an oral law not

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just a written law. Right? On Sinai, Moses

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was given a written law which is the

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Pentateuch, the Chumash, the 5 books of Moses,

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Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy,

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but also was given an oral law which

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is sort of a commentary

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on the written law. Right? So we can't

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ignore the oral law. The fuller

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conversation

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between Abraham

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and God is given in the oral law.

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So this is what it says according to

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Rashi.

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It says God told,

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Abraham,

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take your son

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and then Abraham said

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Shanay Benim Yeh Sheli

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that's some Hebrew for you. Here's a joke

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for you. How does Maimonides make his coffee?

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He brews it.

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Alright,

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sorry these are the jokes.

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So Abraham's response was I have 2

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sons,

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right? Take your son,

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it's 2 sons I have

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And then God tells him,

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your only son.

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And then Abraham says,

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This is the only son of his mother

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meaning Ishmael

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Ishmael

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Ishmael

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God hears

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and this is the only son of his

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mother

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meaning Yitzhak.

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It's interesting the names of prophets

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they're very they're secrets in the names of

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prophets.

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Ishmael

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yasma'ahualla

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means God will hear

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and Isaac means

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laughter.

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Laughter. What does the name mean laughter? Because

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according to the Quranic narrative, when, the angels

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came to Sarah and Abraham, they said they're

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gonna have a son, It says,

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She laughed

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and said I'm going to have a son.

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I'm gonna have a son. I'm an old

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woman. Look at my husband. He's a 100

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years old. Literally,

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he's a 100 years old. So they named

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her son Laughter. Anyway, so Abraham says, this

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is the only son of his mother, this

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is the only son of his mother.

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So then God says to Abraham,

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the

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one whom you love.

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Right?

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The one whom you love.

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Now what is the response of Abraham according

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to the oral law in the Talmud

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quoted by,

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Rabbi Shlomo Yixaki,

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the founder of Jewish exegesis

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in Sanhedrin 89b,

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what does Abraham respond with? He says,

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Both of them I love.

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Both of them

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I love. It's really important when we study

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scripture,

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the text of a scripture,

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we have to study tradition, we have to

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study exegesis

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because I can quote anything and make anyone

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look completely violent. I can take something from

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the summa of Aquinas and make him look

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like a homicidal maniac, I can quote something

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from the Talmud and make the rabbis look

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crazy, I I can quote something from the

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Quran which is done to me all the

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time and say oh religion advocates violence.

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You get the point. The first the first

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three rules, as I say,

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of, hermeneutics or scriptural interpretation is?

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Context. Good. Context? What's the second rule? Context.

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Context? 3rd rule? Context. Context.

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Like the first three rules of real estate?

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Location. Location, location, location. Good. Alright.

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So he says, Shanayim and Niohayiv, both of

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them I love. And then God said to

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him, eth Yitzchak,

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Isaac, I mean Isaac.

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Right? So we glean from the fuller

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biblical narrative

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that Abraham loves both of his sons. Now

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what's interesting

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is that

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when we look at

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the Quranic narrative of the akedah,

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the identity of the sun is not given

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in the Quran.

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This is in Surah

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37,

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Safat.

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We're not given the identity, he's not named

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That's all he's

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called, a forbearing son.

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We don't know his name.

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The narrative goes on to say,

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Abraham peace be upon him, Ibrahim alaihis salam,

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he had a dream

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so he goes to his son whoever the

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son is and he says

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which is very interesting. So he says

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my son, You Buneya, oh my dear son,

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I have had a dream, and we know

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from prophetology,

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Islamic

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prophetology, that when a prophet has a dream

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it is a true dream,

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that I've had a dream that I'm sacrificing

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you.

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What do you think about that?

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Very interesting. So in the biblical narrative Abraham

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does not tell his son Isaac what's happening

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until they're actually going up the hill of

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Moriah and then Isaac turns to his father

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and says where is the sheep for the

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for the for

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the offering?

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God Himself will provide a sheep. But here

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in the Quranic narrative

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he tells his son,

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What do you think about that? And the

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response of his son is

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Oh my dear father

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do what you've been commanded.

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You will find me if God wills from

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the patient.

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Right? You will find me if God wills

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from the patient.

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So then, Falama

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Aslamah,

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the Quran says and then when both of

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them

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had submitted their wills to God, they had

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both entered into a state of total submission,

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right? And Abraham was going to slaughter his

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son and then the angel cried out,

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The angel stopped him and said, Oh Abraham,

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you have fulfilled your vision. You have fulfilled

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your dream. The command of God was not

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to kill your son.

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The command of God was for you to

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be willing to sacrifice,

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the thing that is most dear to you

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in this entire world,

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right? So this is true sacrifice.

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Being able to,

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being able

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to,

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love God

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because God deserves to be loved

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and knowing that all of these things that

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he gives to us

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are a gift from God and ultimately the

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affair is all about God,

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Right?

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Now there is an opinion,

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right,

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that this son is Isaac in the Islamic

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tradition.

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There are

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big Apostolic authorities that is to say big

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Sahaba

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companions of the Prophet who said this is

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Isaac and a lot of Muslims don't know

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that

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like Imam Ali,

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Abdullah ibn Mas'ud,

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Imam Iblujareel

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Tabari says in his seminal exegesis

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that this son is Isaac.

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Why? Now the dominant opinion is that it's

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Ishmael.

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Later exegetes would say that it's Ishmael. Right?

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Because after you have the narrative

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of the in the Quran then

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you

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have,

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and we gave glad tidings of Isaac.

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Now is this first sort of summarizing

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the aqeda narrative or is this moving on

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a new idea? There's a difference of opinion.

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Right? So there's a genuine difference of opinion

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amongst Muslim exegetes who is the sun.

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The dominant opinion is that it's Ishmael

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because for the Muslim it's not really a

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big issue. The ibra, the lesson is the

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most important.

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Early church fathers,

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it was a big deal for them because

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the binding of Isaac

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is

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a Christological

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typology

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like for origin of Alexandria,

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Justin Martyr, it's kind of foreshadowing

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what God is going to do to his

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own quote unquote son in the new testament,

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sacrifice his son. So it's very important for

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him to be Isaac, an ancestor of Christ.

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And for many Jewish authorities it's also important

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that it be Isaac

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because he is a progenitor of the Bani

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Israel, the Bani Israel, the children of Israel.

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But from the Muslim perspective,

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it shouldn't be a point of contention.

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It doesn't matter from our perspective

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who the son was.

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Okay,

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that's all I wanted to say really

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but if we have time for questions

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I don't know how we're doing on time.

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If you have you can ask me anything

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you want.

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How's your day going? My day as well.

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Thank you very much. Very nice.

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I woke up a little bit woke up

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today, read a little bit. It's always good

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to read

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every day.

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Should improve every day.

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Right? Learn something.

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Learn a new vocab word.

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Progenitor. Progenitor. Progenitor.

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What else?

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Any questions?

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Alright.

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Thank you very much.

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Actually, can can you comment a little bit

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about why

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like focusing on

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universal such as sacrifice

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may be more important than focusing on like

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this particular?

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Yeah. The question is why is focusing on

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the universal more important than the particular

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and whether Yousaf said focusing on sacrifice.

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Focusing on the particular the sorry the general

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I think is one of the main

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discourses if you will or thematic

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elements of the Quran

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itself.

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The Quran says

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So Abraham was not a Jew or a

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Christian but he was an archetypal monotheist, someone

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who submitted his will to God.

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A

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to establish

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Islam

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as being this

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religion that is not

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somehow bound by tribal affiliations

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or any of these types of

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of identifications.

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That this is a universal religion

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that Islam is not a religion that at

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least how Muslims understand it. Islam is not

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an amalgamation

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of Judaism, Christianity

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and, you know, pre Islamic Arab paganism

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but rather that

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Islam is a sort of recapturing

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of the actual tradition of Abraham

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and that's what the Hajj, the pilgrimage is

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all about.

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Right? The rights of the Hajj, the pilgrimage

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go back to Abraham. They don't start with

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the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. They

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have origins in Abraham the father,

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right?

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As the Quran says this is the religion

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of your father, your spiritual father, Abraham.

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Right?

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And we find this idea also in the

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New Testament in the gospel of John

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that you know if you were Abraham's children

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you would do as Abraham did in the

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gospel of Luke chapter 19 or 18.

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Jesus says about Zacchaeus

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a very short man who was hiding in

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a tree this man too is a son

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of Abraham,

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right? So this idea of recapturing that original

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message of the patriarch

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that's the most important that's why you don't

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have a lot of name dropping in the

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Quran. You don't have a lot of long

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genealogies in the Quran.

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The the story of Joseph, there's only a

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few people named, there's only one woman named

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in the entire Quran because the point is

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not to name drop,

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the point is to teach true lessons that

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are transcendental.

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We get we get caught up on names

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then we become tribal, we become racist,

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right? We start to exclude others become exclusionary,

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right? We start to identify the other based

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on a name or tribal distinction.

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